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| 01:05 | bgkriegel | Hi #koha |
| 01:09 | * mtj | waves to bernardo :) |
| 01:11 | eythian | hey, anyone know how to make it so that a hold can be applied to a biblio that has no items? |
| 01:14 | mtj | eythian, that might be impossible, even ? :/ |
| 01:14 | eythian | I'd be surprised, but at the same time I can't find any obvious syspref for it. |
| 01:15 | mtj | i was expecting some 'print $error if $items == 0' situation |
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| 01:42 | oleonard | Hi again #koha |
| 01:43 | eythian | hi oleonard. |
| 01:43 | oleonard: you may know: <eythian> hey, anyone know how to make it so that a hold can be applied to a biblio that has no items? | |
| 01:43 | oleonard | As far as I know you can't. There has to be an item. |
| 01:44 | We have to add dummy items to on-order titles just so that holds can be placed on them before the actual items arrive. | |
| 01:44 | eythian | OK |
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| 01:49 | edveal | hi #koha |
| 01:54 | the general meeting is at the top of the hour right? | |
| 01:55 | * oleonard | believes so |
| 01:55 | edveal | Just checking, thanks oleonard |
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| 01:58 | * oleonard | scolds cait and sends her back to bed |
| 01:59 | cait | hm? |
| 01:59 | oleonard | cait it's past your bedtime! |
| 01:59 | BobB_ | hello |
| 01:59 | cait | iam just upearly |
| 01:59 | joels68 | Hello everyone |
| 02:00 | eythian | cait: didn't you just go to bed about 15 minutes ago? |
| 02:01 | gmcharlt | howdy |
| 02:01 | BobB_ | hi joels68 |
| 02:01 | gmcharlt | who is running this meeting? |
| 02:01 | JD__ joined #koha | |
| 02:02 | * edveal | not it |
| 02:02 | * cait | suggests someone who is more awake |
| 02:02 | oleonard | Smeller's the feller. |
| 02:02 | gmcharlt | I'll do it, then |
| 02:02 | #startmeeting General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013 | |
| 02:02 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Nov 6 02:02:40 2013 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 02:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 02:02 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:02 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__6_november_2013' |
| 02:02 | gmcharlt | #info Agenda is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_6_November_2013 |
| 02:03 | #topic Introductions | |
| 02:03 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 02:03 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:03 | BobB_ | Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia |
| 02:03 | gmcharlt | #info gmcharlt = Galen Charton, Equinox Software, Inc. |
| 02:03 | BobB_ | sorry |
| 02:03 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 02:03 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba Argentina |
| 02:03 | edveal | #info Ed Veal w/ ByWater Solutions |
| 02:03 | BobB_ | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia |
| 02:03 | rhcl | #info rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 02:03 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 02:03 | eythian | #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT |
| 02:04 | joels68 | #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek Library System MN USA |
| 02:04 | khall | #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 02:05 | mtj | #info, Mason James, NZ |
| 02:06 | clintD joined #koha | |
| 02:06 | davidnind joined #koha | |
| 02:06 | gmcharlt | ok - latecomers can continue to introduce themselves |
| 02:07 | #topic Announcement | |
| 02:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcement (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:07 | clintD | #info clintD |
| 02:07 | gmcharlt | #info 3.14 beta is out; folks are encouraged to test |
| 02:07 | any other announcements? | |
| 02:07 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 02:08 | gmcharlt | going once |
| 02:08 | going twice | |
| 02:08 | Bruce_ joined #koha | |
| 02:08 | gmcharlt | #topic Update on Koha 3.8 |
| 02:08 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Koha 3.8 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:09 | gmcharlt | #info Koha 3.8.19 was released on 29 October 2013 |
| 02:09 | clrh_: around? any further update? | |
| 02:09 | BobB_ | #info there is a volunteer to continue as RMaint for 3.8 |
| 02:09 | cait | cjh: ? |
| 02:10 | gmcharlt | cait++ # oops |
| 02:10 | BobB_: not officially, yet. Paul A. has discussed doing so on koha-devel but has not to date put his name on the wiki | |
| 02:10 | cjh | cait: I am not yet sure if I will continue on as rmaint. |
| 02:10 | johnbljr joined #koha | |
| 02:11 | BobB_ | ok |
| 02:11 | gmcharlt | OK, moving on |
| 02:11 | #topic Update on 3.10 | |
| 02:11 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.10 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:12 | bgkriegel | All well on 3.10, no news. Last release a litle bit late, waiting for 3.12 |
| 02:12 | gmcharlt | bgkriegel++ |
| 02:12 | charging forward | |
| 02:12 | #topic Update on 3.12 | |
| 02:12 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.12 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:13 | Bruce_ | #info Bruce Metcalf, Augustan Society |
| 02:13 | gmcharlt | #info 3.12.6 released on 28 October 2013 |
| 02:13 | I don't see tcohen here, so moving on | |
| 02:13 | #topic Update on 3.14 | |
| 02:13 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.14 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:13 | gmcharlt | #info 3.14 beta is available for testing |
| 02:14 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 02:14 | bgkriegel | gmcharlt++ |
| 02:14 | gmcharlt | #action All the people will test the beta |
| 02:14 | joels68 | #agreed |
| 02:15 | gmcharlt | #info gmcharlt will branch 3.14.x later this week, thereby allowing enhancements to continue to go into master |
| 02:15 | any questions for me? | |
| 02:15 | bgkriegel | no more string changes? |
| 02:15 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 02:16 | gmcharlt | bgkriegel: no more string changes for 3.14.x, correct |
| 02:16 | bgkriegel | ok then |
| 02:16 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 02:16 | gmcharlt | bgkriegel: will there be any problem for you to switch branches from master to 3.14.x for Pootle? |
| 02:17 | bgkriegel | not at all |
| 02:17 | gmcharlt | great |
| 02:17 | cait | bgkriegel++ :) |
| 02:17 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, late |
| 02:18 | gmcharlt | ok, moving on |
| 02:18 | #topic Elections for 3.16 | |
| 02:18 | Topic for #koha is now Elections for 3.16 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:18 | gmcharlt | #info List of roles and candidates proposed for 3.16 is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.16 |
| 02:19 | OK, so, I guess let's do this | |
| 02:19 | I'll start from the bottom of the page up | |
| 02:19 | so, Chad Roseburg has volunteered to be Newletter Editor, and Joanne Dillon has volunteered to assist | |
| 02:20 | floor is open: please indicate your position with +1, 0, or -1 | |
| 02:20 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:20 | davidnind | +1 |
| 02:20 | cait | +1 |
| 02:20 | drojf | +1 |
| 02:20 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 02:20 | khall | +1 |
| 02:20 | Bruce_ | 0 |
| 02:20 | eythian | +1 |
| 02:20 | edveal | +1 |
| 02:20 | joels68 | +1 |
| 02:20 | BobB_ | +1 |
| 02:20 | clintD | +1 |
| 02:21 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 02:21 | #agreed Chad Roseburg is elected Newsletter Editor, with Joanne Dillon assisting | |
| 02:21 | next up | |
| 02:21 | Samuell Dasseaux has volunteered to be a meeting chair | |
| 02:21 | he's located in France, so presumably will cover the UTC+10:00 timeslot | |
| 02:22 | floor is open for voting | |
| 02:22 | JDatTeTakere joined #koha | |
| 02:22 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:22 | davidnind | +1 |
| 02:22 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 02:22 | edveal | +1 |
| 02:22 | joels68 | +1 |
| 02:22 | BobB_ | +1 |
| 02:22 | oleonard | JDatTeTakere you just missed being elected official assistant to the newsletter editor |
| 02:22 | khall | +1 |
| 02:22 | drojf | +1 |
| 02:22 | cait | +1 |
| 02:22 | oleonard | It was a glorious victory |
| 02:23 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 02:23 | BobB_ | :) |
| 02:23 | gmcharlt | #agreed Samuel Desseaux elected as a meeting chair |
| 02:23 | next up, bug wranglers | |
| 02:23 | Joanne Dillon and Chris Cormack have volunteered to serve in this capacity | |
| 02:23 | floor is open for voting | |
| 02:23 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:23 | khall | +1 |
| 02:23 | drojf | +1 |
| 02:24 | edveal | +1 |
| 02:24 | davidnind | +1 |
| 02:24 | eythian | +1 |
| 02:24 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 02:24 | cait | +1 |
| 02:24 | joels68 | +1 |
| 02:24 | BobB_ | +1 |
| 02:24 | #idea Is there any controversy about any nomination? Should we take them as a set? | |
| 02:24 | gmcharlt | BobB_: good question, hold on a second |
| 02:24 | #agreed Joanne Dillon and Chris Cormack elected as bug wrangler | |
| 02:25 | * oleonard | votes for all the things |
| 02:25 | khall | we could vote on voting for the set |
| 02:25 | gmcharlt | OK, adopting BobB_'s idea, I'll put the question |
| 02:25 | +1, 0, or -1 for adopting the remaining project position proposals as per http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Roles_for_3.16? | |
| 02:25 | khall | +1 |
| 02:25 | joels68 | +1 |
| 02:25 | edveal | +1 |
| 02:25 | BobB_ | +1 |
| 02:25 | Bruce_ | +1 |
| 02:25 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:26 | davidnind | +1 |
| 02:26 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 02:26 | cait | +1 |
| 02:26 | eythian | +1 |
| 02:26 | drojf | +1 |
| 02:27 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 02:27 | * gmcharlt | will hold the floor open for two more minutes in case anybody wants to express an objection |
| 02:28 | gmcharlt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Obmnz_1hZk |
| 02:29 | cait | :) |
| 02:29 | gmcharlt | OK, the two minutes are up, so I'm calling the result |
| 02:29 | oleonard | For thornier issues there's this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyN-vvFIkE |
| 02:29 | gmcharlt | please bear with me as I do a bunch of #agreeds |
| 02:30 | #agreed Samuel Desseaux elected as VM manager | |
| 02:30 | #agreed Robin Sheat elected as packaging manager | |
| 02:30 | #agreed Jared Camins-Esakov elected as module maintainer for authorities | |
| 02:30 | #agreed Kyle Hall elected as module maintainer for holds | |
| 02:30 | #agreed Tomas Cohen Arazi elected as module maintainer for the Debian scripts | |
| 02:31 | #aggree Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as release maintainer for 3.10.x | |
| 02:31 | #agreed Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as release maintainer for 3.10.x | |
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| 02:31 | gmcharlt | #agreed Tomas Cohen Arazi elected as release maintainer for 3.12.x |
| 02:31 | #agreed Fridolyn Somers elected as release maintainer for 3.14.x | |
| 02:32 | #agreed Ruth Bavousett, Kyle Hall, Paul Polain, Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, and Jonathan Druart elected as members of the QA team | |
| 02:32 | #agreed Katrin Fischer elected as QA manager | |
| 02:32 | #agreed Joy Nelson elected as database documentation manger, with Samuel Desseaux assisting | |
| 02:33 | #agreed Nicole Engard elected as documentation manager | |
| 02:33 | #agreed Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as translation manager | |
| 02:33 | #agreed Galen Charlton elected as release manager | |
| 02:33 | cait | gmcharlt++ :) |
| 02:34 | gmcharlt | my fingers have now filed a petition to secede from the union |
| 02:34 | ;) | |
| 02:34 | khall | indeed! |
| 02:34 | BobB_ | congratulations to everyone on that list :) |
| 02:34 | JD_take_2 joined #koha | |
| 02:35 | oleonard | Especially those who hold office for the first time! Welcome! |
| 02:35 | gmcharlt | the position of 3.8.x release maintainer is unfilled. given that there is some interest from folks to continue that branch, I propose that we postpone the question of whether to fill that role to the December IRC meeting |
| 02:35 | cait | +1 |
| 02:35 | BobB_ | +1 |
| 02:35 | joels68 | +1 |
| 02:36 | Bruce_ | +1 |
| 02:36 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:36 | crose | Hello, this is chad roseburg. I missed the voting, but am here to discuss the fate of the newsletter if anyone is interested |
| 02:36 | drojf | +1 |
| 02:36 | khall | +1 |
| 02:36 | davidnind | +1 |
| 02:36 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 02:36 | gmcharlt | crose: your election as newsletter editor has been confirmed, by the way |
| 02:36 | BobB_ | crose, you have been elected Newsletter editor, congratulations! |
| 02:36 | cait | congrats :) |
| 02:37 | joels68 | Here here!! |
| 02:37 | crose | Sounds good. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks! |
| 02:37 | BobB_ | and you have an assistant - JD from NZ |
| 02:37 | gmcharlt | #agreed whether to continue the 3.8.x branch and elected an rmaint for it to be decided by the December IRC meeting |
| 02:37 | crose | Glad to have help. I have a baby on the way any day now |
| 02:37 | cait | congrats again :) |
| 02:38 | gmcharlt | crose++ # increaing the number of future Koha hackers ;) |
| 02:38 | crose | Thanks |
| 02:38 | And hack we will | |
| 02:38 | oleonard | We need a gallery of Koha babies somewhere. |
| 02:38 | dpk1 joined #koha | |
| 02:39 | gmcharlt | #topic Debrief on KohaCon 13 |
| 02:39 | Topic for #koha is now Debrief on KohaCon 13 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:39 | crose | Where can I get an infant sized koha onesie? |
| 02:39 | khall | congrats! |
| 02:40 | gmcharlt | crose: via CafePress, actually |
| 02:40 | crose | Ok thanks |
| 02:40 | oleonard | Didn't bag show off one? |
| 02:40 | gmcharlt | oleonard: now that you mention it, I think so |
| 02:40 | cait | future koha developer |
| 02:40 | * oleonard | does not mean to imply that bag himself modeled the onesie |
| 02:40 | cait | heh |
| 02:41 | BobB_ | lol |
| 02:41 | khall | lol |
| 02:41 | gmcharlt | as far as the conference goes, first, I'd like to extend kudos to Nancy Keener and the rest of the folks at the Washcoe County Library for doing a wonderful job |
| 02:41 | cait | :) |
| 02:41 | BobB_ | here, here, very well done |
| 02:41 | cait | +1! |
| 02:41 | oleonard | Many many thanks go to them |
| 02:41 | Bruce_ | +1 |
| 02:41 | rhcl | +1 |
| 02:41 | gmcharlt | er, Washoe County |
| 02:41 | khall | +2 even! |
| 02:41 | joels68 | Jolly good show! +1 |
| 02:41 | davidnind | +1 |
| 02:42 | gmcharlt | #agreed the community thanks Nancy Keener and the other staff at the Washoe County Library system for hosting KohaCon13 |
| 02:42 | Bruce_ | I have to expand: this was the most helpful and successful conference I've ever had the privilege to take part in, and I've attended plenty. |
| 02:42 | gmcharlt | and kudos to all of the other folks who volunteered for the conference |
| 02:42 | cait | it was great. |
| 02:43 | BobB_ | many kittens were saved |
| 02:43 | gmcharlt | any other comments regarding KohaCon 13? |
| 02:43 | rhcl | amenities (snacks) were good |
| 02:44 | Bruce_ | As a first-timer, I would respectfully suggest that the nature of the event might have been explained with a bit greater clarity. |
| 02:44 | BobB_ | #info Daniel Grobani listed info sources in the last community newsletter - very helpful reference |
| 02:44 | Bruce_ | Those who have attended before need only "KohaCon", others might need more. |
| 02:45 | oleonard | Bruce_: Beyond the program listing? |
| 02:45 | drojf | Bruce_: what would you have liked to know? |
| 02:45 | Bruce_ | Yes. The program listing was fine, but I had no idea what level the hackfest would be conducted on. I was most happy to discover that I could contribute, but I almost left after Saturday. |
| 02:45 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson ByWater solutions |
| 02:46 | BobB_ | Bruce_ : we are glad you did not :) |
| 02:46 | Bruce_ | Me too. |
| 02:46 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 02:47 | Bruce_ | I plan to give this question some thought and contact the hosts of KohaCon14 with my suggestions. |
| 02:47 | gmcharlt | Bruce_++ |
| 02:47 | Bruce_ | ... assuming they don't call me first! |
| 02:47 | BobB_ | Bruce_ ++ |
| 02:47 | gmcharlt | also, a nice seque to ... |
| 02:47 | #topic KohaCon 14 and 15 | |
| 02:47 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 14 and 15 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 02:48 | cait1 joined #koha | |
| 02:48 | bgkriegel | We are beginning the organization and found raising (for KohaCon14) |
| 02:49 | Bruce_ | Idea: Ask those who will not be able to attend to contribute an "absence fee" in an amount of their choosing. |
| 02:49 | BobB_ | hmm, the idea has merit |
| 02:49 | bgkriegel | Ok |
| 02:50 | Bruce_ | Even a small amount sent by all those who *wish* they could attend might do wonders. |
| 02:51 | gmcharlt | another idea, via feedback from KohaCon12 that I got from slef: consider offering an "enhanced ticket" as a way for libraries who want to sponsor, but who are not allowed to directly give funds for such a thing, to pay extra |
| 02:51 | eythian | At a conference here, they call them high-rollers. |
| 02:51 | They get better chairs :) | |
| 02:51 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 02:51 | BobB_ | business class? |
| 02:52 | davidnind joined #koha | |
| 02:52 | gmcharlt | any other questions/comments for bgkriegel? |
| 02:52 | * talljoy | just needs extra legroom |
| 02:53 | eythian | * talljoy is now known as shortjoy |
| 02:53 | fixed. | |
| 02:53 | BobB_ | bgkriegel, it will be good to set the date as soon as you can |
| 02:53 | gmcharlt | reason #1 to avoid an outfit calling itself the Procrustean Hotel |
| 02:53 | rhcl | yes indeed |
| 02:54 | bgkriegel | Ok |
| 02:54 | gmcharlt | regarding KohaCon 15 -- an observation: Africa is the one continent that has not yet hosted a KohaCon |
| 02:55 | (I'm making the wild assumption that an Antarctic one is never going to be practical any time soon) | |
| 02:55 | so move on | |
| 02:55 | BobB_ | gmcharlt: I had to Google procrustean - very funny (and apt) |
| 02:55 | rhcl | what about Asia, particularly the far east? |
| 02:56 | oleonard | It was suggested that for KohaCon 15 the voting be limited to proposals from Africa. |
| 02:56 | gmcharlt | rhcl: that's also a region not yet represented, but there was a KohaCon in India a couple years ago |
| 02:56 | BobB_ | we can't mandate that, but the sentiment is out there |
| 02:57 | gmcharlt | agreed, and one that I for one am inclined to reinforce |
| 02:57 | oleonard | I would think we could vote on that proposal at some time in the future |
| 02:58 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 02:58 | Bruce_ | Cons need hosts, and it may be that those most likely have little experience in organizing such events. Perhaps a group of former hosts could be formed as a support group? |
| 02:58 | gmcharlt | Bruce_: yes; that has happened anyway; most/all of the KohaCons to date have had volunteer help from folks who were involved in previous ones |
| 02:59 | Bruce_ | I'm sure that's so, but is that offer of help advertised? |
| 02:59 | BobB_ | and two potential bidders (Nigeria and Zambia) were at KohaCon12, so know the format |
| 03:00 | gmcharlt | yes -- and to be clear, there have already been viable bids from Africa; I don't think there are any particular reservations concerning that |
| 03:01 | #topic Action items from the October IRC meeting | |
| 03:01 | Topic for #koha is now Action items from the October IRC meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 03:01 | gmcharlt | #info the one action item from the October IRC meeting, creating the 3.16 project roles wiki page, was completed by rangi |
| 03:01 | oleonard | rangi++ |
| 03:01 | gmcharlt | any last minute agenda items before we do the final one, setting the date of the next meeting? |
| 03:02 | edveal | Should have done this at the top but I have a quick announcement. |
| 03:02 | * edveal | and nengard created an XSLT Library page on the wiki. I have added a few snippets and I am sure the group can edit them and add to them. Just wanted to get the page up and running. |
| 03:03 | gmcharlt | #info Announcement: edveal and nengard have created an XSLT library page on the wiki - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/XSLT_Library |
| 03:03 | edveal++ | |
| 03:03 | nengard++ | |
| 03:03 | talljoy | yay! |
| 03:03 | gmcharlt | OK, moving on |
| 03:03 | #topic setting time of next meeting | |
| 03:03 | Topic for #koha is now setting time of next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013) | |
| 03:03 | davidnind | 18:00 UTC is the next one up, 4 December? |
| 03:04 | gmcharlt | we go 2-18-10? |
| 03:04 | cait1 | we go backwards |
| 03:04 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 03:04 | cait1 | i think |
| 03:04 | gmcharlt | cait1, that's consistent with the previous meeting |
| 03:05 | OK, so putting the question: shall the next metting be at 18:00 UTC on 4 December 2013? | |
| 03:05 | davidnind | +1 |
| 03:05 | Bruce_ | +1 |
| 03:05 | BobB_ | sounds right, but eek, it'll be 5am here |
| 03:05 | drojf | +1 |
| 03:05 | edveal | +1 |
| 03:05 | rhcl | +1 |
| 03:05 | BobB_ | +1 |
| 03:05 | drojf | BobB_: it's 4am here now :P |
| 03:05 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 03:05 | joels68 | +1 |
| 03:05 | talljoy | +1 |
| 03:05 | oleonard | +1 |
| 03:05 | BobB_ | droif, point taken' |
| 03:05 | drojf | :) |
| 03:06 | gmcharlt | #agreed the next general IRC meeting will be held at 18:00 on 4 December 2013 |
| 03:06 | oleonard | @later remind someone to change the topic to reflect the next meeting date and time |
| 03:06 | huginn | oleonard: I suck |
| 03:06 | cait1 | +1 |
| 03:06 | sorry, sleepy :) | |
| 03:06 | khall | +1 |
| 03:06 | gmcharlt | OK, thanks everybody |
| 03:06 | #endmeeting | |
| 03:06 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.14-beta is available for download and testing. Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 6th November, 02:00 UTC | |
| 03:06 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Nov 6 03:06:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 03:06 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-06-02.02.html | |
| 03:06 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-11-06-02.02.txt | |
| 03:06 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]06-02.02.log.html | |
| 03:07 | drojf | gmcharlt++ |
| 03:07 | BobB_ | thanks gmcharlt, thanks everyone |
| 03:07 | cait1 | gmcharlt++ |
| 03:07 | and good night :) | |
| 03:07 | davidnind | gmcharlt++ |
| 03:07 | bgkriegel | gmcharlt++ |
| 03:07 | * edveal | waves by to everyone. |
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| 03:07 | joels68 | khall got a minute? |
| 03:07 | talljoy | night night |
| 03:07 | * oleonard | turns in |
| 03:08 | khall | good morning, afternoon and night all! |
| 03:08 | Bruce_ | ttfn |
| 03:09 | joels68 | Hi BobB |
| 03:12 | bye. | |
| 03:15 | jcamins | eythian: I am now, for a few minutes. |
| 03:15 | eythian | just looking at the patches to csvtomarc from you, you add a 'text' source. Does it differ from the 'literal' one that already exists? |
| 03:16 | jcamins | Lemme check. |
| 03:17 | Doesn't look like it's different. | |
| 03:17 | eythian | OK cool. |
| 03:17 | I'll have a go integrating some of them, though I think you were writing agaisnt a fairly old version, so we'll see how it goes. | |
| 03:18 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 03:18 | eythian | I really want the fixed-field support. |
| 03:51 | bag | darn missed the meeting eh? |
| 03:52 | eythian | yarp |
| 03:56 | bag | well I meant to volunteer to QAA again - just added my name to the wiki page - but will be happy to QA a few patches again |
| 03:56 | started late in the last cycle - but will be better this next time :) | |
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| 05:23 | bag | ah nice Aloo has finally cuddled up next to me on the couch |
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| 06:35 | bag | heya cait |
| 06:37 | cait | hi ba |
| 06:37 | bag | |
| 06:37 | sorry, still sleepy | |
| 06:37 | bag | well I'm getting sleepy but not yet |
| 07:20 | rangi | evening |
| 07:20 | bag | evening rangi |
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| 07:35 | cait | hi rangi |
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| 07:37 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:40 | rangi | hi reiveune |
| 07:41 | reiveune | hi rangi :) |
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| 07:54 | mtj | hey peeps |
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| 07:55 | mtj | rangi, are you gonna go to kiwicon this weekend? |
| 07:55 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 07:55 | mtj | hi samueld |
| 07:57 | rangi | yup |
| 07:58 | cait | hi samueld |
| 07:59 | mtj | cool, me too :p (my 1st time) |
| 08:00 | rangi | you'll enjoy it |
| 08:00 | just dont bring a laptop that you havent nailed down ;-) | |
| 08:01 | mtj | ha!..., yeah i heard |
| 08:01 | hermm. i *think* my laptop is nailed down :) | |
| 08:02 | ...tho, i might discover otherwise :/ | |
| 08:02 | rangi | i never take mine |
| 08:02 | you dont need it | |
| 08:02 | mtj | good advice |
| 08:02 | cait | pen and paper then? :) |
| 08:04 | mtj | inside palm |
| 08:05 | heh, not to be confused with one's 'outside palm' :) | |
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| 08:07 | rangi | :) |
| 08:09 | cait | brb |
| 08:35 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 08:48 | magnuse | kia ora kf |
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| 08:59 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
| 09:00 | kf | hi magnuse and paul_p |
| 09:00 | * magnuse | missed the meeting, again |
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| 09:01 | paul_p | good morning/evening/afternoon/whatever everybody |
| 09:01 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 09:02 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 16.0°C (9:30 AM CET on November 06, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:02 | magnuse | nice |
| 09:02 | @wunder boo | |
| 09:02 | ashimema | morning paul |
| 09:02 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.21 in 989 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:02 | kf | magnuse: we made you rm |
| 09:02 | paul_p | magnuse I confirm : very nice and sunny weather today ;-) |
| 09:02 | kf really ? congrats magnuse :D :D | |
| 09:02 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 09:03 | paul_p | kf or do you mean rm -fr magnuse ? which would not be a good news ;-) |
| 09:03 | * magnuse | is instantly drunk with power |
| 09:03 | kf | magnuse: no we didn't - hope i didn't send oyu into shock |
| 09:03 | paul_p | magnuse "with great power comes great responsibilities" said spiderman uncle ! |
| 09:03 | * magnuse | read the minutes this morning ;-) |
| 09:03 | magnuse | yeah, too much responsibility, i'll pass ;-) |
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| 11:07 | kivilahtio | wow my zebra doesn't index |
| 11:07 | It ran out of idex memory | |
| 11:07 | 12:43:01-06/11 zebraidx(27798) [fatal] mf_write: recdB error (4) no more space | |
| 11:07 | 12:43:01-06/11 zebraidx(27798) [fatal] /var/lib/koha/openlibrary/biblios/register: max=21474836480 used=21474834528 available=1952 | |
| 11:07 | Increased both biblio and shadow registers from 20G to 25G | |
| 11:08 | doing a full reindex | |
| 11:08 | hope it helps | |
| 11:13 | magnuse | fingers crossed! |
| 11:14 | kivilahtio | strange thing is that i got the memory limit on my n:th reindex_zebra.pl query |
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| 11:58 | kivilahtio | lol It took me 1h to send email with Koha vs 1 week for Evergreen |
| 11:58 | kf | 1 week? |
| 11:59 | kivilahtio | kf: not sure if it was ctive work, but this seems to have been the case with our Evergreen efforts |
| 11:59 | kf: I didn't do those things with Evergreen | |
| 11:59 | kf: so I wouldn't know 100% but my experience has been very negative. | |
| 12:00 | kf: I think it included getting to know the system and configuring some email servers, but I did the same with Koha so... | |
| 12:00 | now to crack the SMS and snailmail from email nuts | |
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| 12:18 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 12:24 | kf | hi marcelr |
| 12:25 | kivilahtio: sorry, quite busy here - might always take a while for me to read back these days | |
| 12:25 | marcelr | hi kf |
| 12:25 | kf: we will have another six months of qa.. | |
| 12:25 | :) | |
| 12:25 | kf | yeah... why did we agree to that again? :) |
| 12:25 | marcelr | no idea |
| 12:26 | gmcharlt | and more after that six months has expired, I hope ;) |
| 12:26 | marcelr | probably |
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| 12:51 | kivilahtio | any suggestions how I should make a HTTP-request from a Perl module? |
| 12:51 | I am working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha | |
| 12:51 | they provide a SMS-gateway with some nice things, like sms-delivery checks | |
| 12:52 | any ideas does Koha use some preset packages so I wouldnt have to add yet another dependecy | |
| 12:55 | Well LWP::Simple seems to be in Koha already | |
| 12:55 | so I think I got the answer already :) | |
| 12:55 | marcelr | grep -r SMS * |
| 12:57 | Joubu | kivilahtio: If you are interested by sending SMS in Koha, maybe you will be interested by bug 9016 (and others linked). |
| 12:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9016 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Multi transport types for notices |
| 13:11 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:12 | jcamins | kivilahtio: I always give at least 40GB for both biblio and shadow. |
| 13:13 | kivilahtio | jcamins: yikes |
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| 13:13 | kivilahtio | jcamins: I fixed a "small" bug in our data migration toolset and we got all of our child records with the migration. DB jumped from 350 000 to 1 100 000 records :) |
| 13:14 | Joubu: interesting | |
| 13:14 | wahanui | well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 13:14 | jcamins | kivilahtio: with 1.1m records I'd probably go up to 100G. |
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| 13:18 | kivilahtio | jcamins: you think Zebra really needs so much space? |
| 13:18 | jcamins: I thought we could squeeze our DB smaller with Koha :( | |
| 13:18 | jcamins: can we run it from RAM? | |
| 13:19 | jcamins: this 100G is just for indexes or? | |
| 13:19 | jcamins | Probably not, but disk space is cheap, and the worst feeling ever is when you get 90% of the way through a reindex only to have it run out of space; and no, the indexes need to be stored somewhere no matter what system. |
| 13:19 | If you had enough RAM you could use a ramdisk. | |
| 13:20 | tcohen | Buy SSD disks for your server |
| 13:20 | kivilahtio | tcohen: Already using |
| 13:20 | tcohen: couldn't live without :) | |
| 13:20 | tcohen: And I feelthis might solve the zebra-issue | |
| 13:21 | somehow zebra searches are still super fast | |
| 13:21 | jcamins | Oh, Zebra's very fast. |
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| 13:34 | tcohen | icu? |
| 13:34 | wahanui | somebody said icu was a good idea. |
| 13:41 | kivilahtio | Joubu: This looks pretty awesome! We need things like these definetely. |
| 13:42 | Joubu: We have the need to create a 2€ notification fine for letter1 letter2 letter3. | |
| 13:42 | Joubu: I guess I could add your module as a dependency for it | |
| 13:42 | Joubu: now that I am working on this notifications issue | |
| 13:55 | kf | gmcharlt: about the translation problem - it's only in CCSR i think |
| 13:55 | gmcharlt: so not sure if it's worth investing a lot of thought here if Owen didn't do something like it (which i doubt :) ) | |
| 13:56 | gmcharlt | kf: there are a few uses of content: in prog and Bootstrap, but at first glance not for strings that need to be translated |
| 13:56 | I was just being through in my response :) | |
| 13:57 | kf | yep :) |
| 13:57 | and i appreciate translation problem taken seriously :) | |
| 13:57 | we never introduced ccsr templates to our libraries here, so we kind of avoided running into that | |
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| 14:35 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #104 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #98 29 days ago) |
| 14:41 | samueld | hi, i've forgotten something: how to apply manually a patch in koha? |
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| 14:59 | tcohen | samueld: are talking about a production server? |
| 14:59 | if you're talking about git it must be something like | |
| 14:59 | git am -3 -u patch | |
| 15:00 | samueld | it's apatch on bugzilla |
| 15:00 | a patch | |
| 15:01 | tcohen | and where do u want to apply it? |
| 15:02 | a git repository clone? | |
| 15:02 | git bz apply XXX | |
| 15:04 | samueld | ok, i'll test |
| 15:04 | tcohen | git bz? |
| 15:04 | wahanui | i heard git bz was so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL |
| 15:09 | tcohen | is fridolyn here? |
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| 15:15 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #104: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/104/ |
| 15:15 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9531: Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml | |
| 15:15 | * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10331 - Little errors in unimarc_field_4XX.pl (punctuation) | |
| 15:15 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10564 - use OPACURLOpenInNewWindow in UNIMARCslim2OPACResults.xsl | |
| 15:15 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 10817: return hold items info in SIP Patron Info Response | |
| 15:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml |
| 15:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10331 trivial, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Stable , Little errors in unimarc_field_4XX.pl (punctuation) | |
| 15:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10564 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , use OPACURLOpenInNewWindow in UNIMARCslim2OPACResults.xsl | |
| 15:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10817 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , SIPserver does not return holds info when requested | |
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| 15:26 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha |
| 15:37 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11204: make pendingreserves use datatables.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d8cd28316e929a027> |
| 15:47 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #212 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED) |
| 15:51 | Starting build #1498 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
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| 16:14 | banana | If anybody gives a hoot, the newest version of Freenas is pretty cool. A NAS box based on it would make a good Koha data backup/storage unit. |
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| 16:20 | tcohen | back online |
| 16:24 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. :) |
| 16:24 | tcohen | hi! |
| 16:25 | mtompset | Question: Does the date displayed in OPAC News annoy you? Does it even make sense to display it all the time? |
| 16:38 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #212: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/212/ |
| 16:38 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 11204: make pendingreserves use datatables.inc | |
| 16:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11204 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , pendingreserves should use datatables.inc |
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| 16:46 | tcohen | rangi: is it possible to restore a 3.12.x DB for jenkins 3.12 build? |
| 16:55 | kf | oh no oleonard |
| 16:55 | mtompset: if it annoys a library i use css on that :) | |
| 16:55 | display:none | |
| 16:55 | wahanui | somebody said display:none was usually what is used. Where's that from? |
| 16:56 | mtompset | kf: But what if it is only annoying for SOME of them? |
| 16:56 | talljoy | morning #koha |
| 16:56 | kf | then you might want to rethink how you are using them? |
| 16:58 | mtompset | Perhaps. I was thinking of using News items for publishing Library Hours. |
| 16:58 | I suppose you can say when the library hours were published. | |
| 16:59 | kf | you could use the mainuserblock for that |
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| 17:00 | mtompset | but filter mainuserblock for branches doesn't make as much sense as filtering news by branch. :) |
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| 17:06 | kf | if you care deeply about it you could add a checkbox to display the date -but maybe just hide it and add it to the news entry if you need it? |
| 17:16 | Joubu++ :) and ashimema++ too | |
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| 17:46 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1498: SUCCESS in 1 hr 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1498/ |
| 17:46 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 11204: make pendingreserves use datatables.inc | |
| 17:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11204 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , pendingreserves should use datatables.inc |
| 17:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #105 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #98 29 days ago) |
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| 18:24 | rangi | @later tell tcohen not easily no, what you could do is get bgkriegels node set up to run that, and put the job to run on there, I won't have time to do that this week |
| 18:24 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:25 | * Bruce_ | waves hello |
| 18:26 | Bruce_ | I have a wee SQL challenge, if someone feels inclined to assist. |
| 18:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #105: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/105/ |
| 18:26 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10718: fix items with no checkouts report | |
| 18:26 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 10810 - Fix synopsis for -html option to overdue_notices.pl | |
| 18:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10718 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , items with no checkouts report does not work |
| 18:26 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10810 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix synopsis for -html option to overdue_notices.pl | |
| 18:31 | Bruce_ | A Director has asked me for a list of our few most valuable books. I do have "replacment cost" entered for most, but could neither find a report on the web that included that, nor something that looked like I could adapt it. Might someone suggest a URL which could be of help to me? |
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| 18:51 | reiveune | bye |
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| 18:58 | * magnuse | pokes a finger into the ribs of bug 6554 |
| 18:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, ketan, Failed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 18:59 | magnuse | anyone feeling like fixing the encoding problems before our pi hits the streets? |
| 19:05 | rangi | not that way, no |
| 19:06 | cos all those patches just make it worse | |
| 19:07 | magnuse | ah, there is a better way? |
| 19:07 | rangi | @later tell Bruce_ you want to include the items.replacementprice column |
| 19:07 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:07 | rangi | magnuse: much better, find where the non utf8 characters are sneaking in, and fix it there |
| 19:08 | we should never be trying to encode/decode in the pl scripts | |
| 19:08 | magnuse | rangi: i think you had some idea about that before kohacon? |
| 19:08 | rangi | because if your are actually using utf8 all those patches do is double encode |
| 19:08 | they only work if you have non utf-8 data | |
| 19:08 | magnuse | yeah, we don't want that :-) |
| 19:09 | but fixing it at the source will mean we will have double encoding in some places, i guess? | |
| 19:09 | rangi | what we want is to only store utf8 |
| 19:10 | magnuse | btw, i was working with the fine folks at opl on monday and tuesday, and we had a weird encoding problem |
| 19:10 | rangi | not munge it on output |
| 19:10 | magnuse | 3 of the tabs showing sysprefs were showing norwegian wovels weirdly |
| 19:10 | rangi | theres lots of munge on output bandaids |
| 19:10 | magnuse | yeah |
| 19:10 | rangi | that result in exactly those issues |
| 19:11 | magnuse | so we need to fix it at the source and then weed out the bandaids? |
| 19:11 | rangi | thats my plan |
| 19:11 | magnuse | ooh you have a plan? :-) |
| 19:11 | does the plan come with a timeframe? ;-) | |
| 19:12 | rangi | not much beyond that, the hard thing is spotting what the encoding is, on input and making sure we dont store crud |
| 19:12 | magnuse | kill all the crud! |
| 19:14 | the problem we saw was ok on debian, both master and 3.12.6, and it was ok with master on ubuntu, at least for me. when i checked out 3.12.6, i could reproduce it. but for petter i think master was broken on ubuntu too | |
| 19:14 | it looked like it might have something to do with versions of YAML.pm or something related to that | |
| 19:15 | what happened was that the contents of the YAML files generated by installing a translation were different | |
| 19:16 | rangi | hmm interesting |
| 19:16 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 19:16 | rangi | it could be locales |
| 19:16 | magnuse | the bad ones had unquoted strings and showed norwegian vowels directly, the ok ones had quoted strings and showed norwegian vowels as um, something involving {} i think it was |
| 19:16 | rangi | ie if you run the translate scripts on a machine not set up with a utf8 |
| 19:16 | maybe you get iso files | |
| 19:16 | not utf8 ones | |
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| 19:17 | magnuse | but for me it changed between master and the 3.12.x branch |
| 19:17 | ...too | |
| 19:17 | * magnuse | waves to cait |
| 19:17 | rangi | interesting |
| 19:17 | wahanui | i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 19:17 | rangi | yeah, encoding ones are hard to track down, because so many variables |
| 19:17 | magnuse | we didn't have the time to really get to the bottom of it |
| 19:17 | yeah | |
| 19:18 | * magnuse | hates encoding problems |
| 19:18 | * cait | waves |
| 19:20 | magnuse | debian did not seem to have the problem, and the version of YAML there was older than on ubuntu |
| 19:20 | rangi | that should be testable |
| 19:20 | by cpanning on a newer version | |
| 19:21 | then removing it again | |
| 19:21 | bag | heya magnuse and cait |
| 19:21 | oh yeah rangi too :P | |
| 19:21 | magnuse | yeah, i thought about writing a minimal test case thinger, but didn't get around to it |
| 19:21 | hiya bag! | |
| 19:21 | bag | how's the boy doing magnuse |
| 19:22 | err girl (if I didn't remember correctly) | |
| 19:22 | magnuse | bag: apart from a broken thighbone, *he's* doing fine ;-) |
| 19:22 | cait | heh |
| 19:23 | bag | wow broken thighbone - poor little guy |
| 19:23 | climbing on something and fall off? | |
| 19:24 | magnuse | nah, being carried by his mother, who fell on some slippery stairs |
| 19:24 | oops, that's him, gotta run | |
| 19:27 | bag | oh man poor mommy too |
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| 19:28 | bag | hey cait - I'd like to volunteer to do QAA again for 3.16 (that's if you'll have me again) I was thinking that I will add that to the next general meeting agenda - so that we could get a vote on it |
| 19:28 | cait | bag: that's exactly what i wanted to say to you too :) |
| 19:29 | so of course and yep | |
| 19:29 | bag | cool thanks as always cait |
| 19:29 | cait | you just volunteered... so i should say thank you :) |
| 19:34 | maximep | starting to work on bug 6934. I wonder if I should transform that new report into a plugin |
| 19:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6934 enhancement, P3, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , New report Cash Register Statistics |
| 19:34 | maximep | I guess plugins won't make it into the core, but probably easier to maintain |
| 19:35 | banana | @seen jcamins |
| 19:35 | huginn | banana: jcamins was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 14 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <jcamins> Oh, Zebra's very fast. |
| 19:37 | mtompset | Anyone here familiar with gitolite? |
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| 21:10 | marjorie | Hi, i think that we can not make partial writeoff? Is there already a demand for it on bz ? |
| 21:14 | cait | hi marjorie |
| 21:14 | i think there is no report yet | |
| 21:15 | marjorie | i think too, i did not found a bug on bz but i wanted to be sure |
| 21:15 | cait | you should file one :) |
| 21:18 | pianohacker | $ git vim |
| 21:18 | marjorie | yes i do! thanks cait! |
| 21:18 | pianohacker | git: 'vim' is not a git command |
| 21:18 | derp | |
| 21:21 | rambuten | @later tell wizzyrea Big article in Computers in Libraries by NEKLS/Robin Hastings about a big Kansas digital project |
| 21:21 | huginn | rambuten: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:22 | rambuten | @later tell wizzyrea cf Kete, DSpace and Omeka. They chose Omeka. |
| 21:22 | huginn | rambuten: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:24 | eythian | hi |
| 21:24 | rambuten | In other news of the day... |
| 21:25 | It's in the current issue of Computers in Libraries....just came in today | |
| 21:25 | pianohacker | wow |
| 21:26 | shame = sqrt(-0) | |
| 21:27 | eythian | 0? |
| 21:30 | pianohacker | eythian: I was going for an imaginary 0, but stretching the math a bit :) |
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| 21:37 | tcohen | hi #koha |
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| 21:50 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 22:00 | bag | heya tcohen |
| 22:00 | tcohen | hi bag! |
| 22:03 | pianohacker | hey tcohen |
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| 22:11 | tcohen | rangi, i've never set a jenkins node |
| 22:11 | is it idficult? | |
| 22:12 | rangi | not really, basically that machine has a user (jenkins) that jenkins connects with |
| 22:12 | it just needs koha being set up on there with a 3.12.x database, and the rest can all be configured from within jenkins | |
| 22:13 | tcohen | and that Koha setup has some specific details ? |
| 22:16 | rangi | not really it just needs to finish its install, and then all i need to know is where the koha-conf.xml is |
| 22:17 | then jenkins does a git checkout, and runs all the tests using the koha-conf.xml | |
| 22:19 | ill just find sample config | |
| 22:20 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nuous_Integration | |
| 22:20 | thats for the master branch | |
| 22:20 | so what jenkins does is ssh to a node, run up a java programme that then runs the commands you tell it to, and reports back | |
| 22:21 | so theres really nothing you have to install on the node, except an ssh key and java, (thats all done) | |
| 22:21 | and then the rest is specific to your project, so install a koha in this case (thats not finished) | |
| 22:23 | tcohen: does that make sense? | |
| 22:23 | tcohen | almost |
| 22:23 | :-D | |
| 22:23 | rangi | :) |
| 22:24 | tcohen | so I fire a VM, with java installed and a jenkins user |
| 22:25 | rangi | yep, so bgkriegel has one |
| 22:25 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]omputer/Bernardo/ | |
| 22:26 | so if we get a 3.12.x on there, and then i can switch jenkins to run the 3.12.x job there instead | |
| 22:26 | its currently not doing much of anything | |
| 22:28 | tcohen | i'll ask him to let me access the server |
| 22:28 | rangi | perfect |
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| 22:35 | pianohacker | cait: I had an idea about bug 8133 |
| 22:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed |
| 22:35 | poorguy | hello, I'm trying to import patrons from csv, it works however when I visit patrons page, I see unicode chars corrupted. I'm using 3.12.06 and I've checked my database, patron names look ok there. |
| 22:36 | any my csv file is utf8 encoded | |
| 22:36 | and* | |
| 22:41 | cait | pianohacker: sorry was afk - what's the idea? |
| 22:43 | pianohacker | cait: np, know it's late for ya. I was thinking of taking out all the preliminary refactoring and putting it in it's own bug |
| 22:43 | making 8133's patches more focused | |
| 22:43 | rangi | poorguy: hmm i havent seen that before, it sounds to me like the display is doing a double conversion |
| 22:45 | poorguy | how can i prevent it from doing that? I think it's related to bug 6554 |
| 22:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, ketan, Failed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 22:47 | rangi | you probably cant, until that is fixed properly the fixes on that bug dont actually fix the problem |
| 22:47 | cait | sounds good |
| 22:47 | pianohacker: | |
| 22:48 | pianohacker | cait: sweet, will do |
| 22:48 | how are you doing? :) | |
| 22:48 | cait | well i don't know completely what it means... but splitting sounds good heh |
| 22:48 | bit tired | |
| 22:48 | work is crazy | |
| 22:49 | how are you doing? did the course work out where you missed the presentation? | |
| 22:49 | * cait | tries to remember it right |
| 22:53 | pianohacker | cait: Yeah, my classmates were a bit grumpy with me, but they seemed okay and things apparently went well |
| 22:53 | the only bad thing was that Tuesday, when I ended up with three tests in one day | |
| 22:54 | cait | ew |
| 22:55 | pianohacker | yeah, not fun, though they all went decently. What do you have going on at work? |
| 22:56 | cait | too much to start listing |
| 22:56 | i might not get sleep then :) | |
| 22:56 | support, migrations, all that :) | |
| 22:58 | poorguy | yeah i've found the problem |
| 22:58 | cait | poorguy: whatwas it? |
| 22:58 | poorguy | if a patron category contains unicode characters |
| 22:59 | render fails | |
| 22:59 | cait | ah |
| 22:59 | yeah we avoid that | |
| 22:59 | poorguy | i mean patron category description, not the patron category code |
| 23:01 | cait | why do you have the description in your csv? |
| 23:04 | poorguy | i dont have description in csv |
| 23:05 | i just define category code in csv | |
| 23:05 | cait | hmm |
| 23:05 | wonder if i ever tried that | |
| 23:05 | i think by accident our usual import categories don't have umlauts | |
| 23:05 | poorguy | i'll show you on a demo page if you want |
| 23:06 | cait | you shoud file a bug i think |
| 23:06 | poorguy | https://demo-admin.calyx.net.au/ login with user: anne password: koha then click patrons |
| 23:07 | you should see à (which should be Ç) in alphabet | |
| 23:07 | eythian | that's definitely double encoding |
| 23:08 | poorguy | should i update the bug 6554 ? |
| 23:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, ketan, Failed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 23:09 | cait | hm better file a separate bug with how to reproduce and link to it i think |
| 23:09 | poorguy | ok |
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| 23:24 | poorguy | cait: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11212 |
| 23:24 | huginn | 04Bug 11212: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Using non english characters in patron category description causes double encoding |
| 23:25 | cait | cool thx |
| 23:31 | pianohacker | kk. I missed the meeting, but where would I volunteer as a module maintainer for admin starting next release? |
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| 23:33 | cait | pianohacker: i think put it on there - and I think we will have another vote at the next meeting |
| 23:33 | you will not be hte only one :) | |
| 23:35 | pianohacker | I'm not sure if I'll survive the _tremendous volume_ of patches to the admin interface, but I'm willing to try my best |
| 23:36 | cait | there is a tremendous amount? |
| 23:37 | pianohacker | massive sarcasm :) |
| 23:38 | * cait | is translating |
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