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| 00:04 | PSC joined #koha | |
| 00:06 | PSC | Hi everyone - I'm just sticking my nose in to say g'day. Am working with BobB and his team to develop an "all e" library - no books, just pdfs, audio files, MP4 etc, for a specialist library. I'm a total Koha noob, so you might see me in here with "well D'UH!" type questions |
| 00:07 | BobB | Hi PSC :) |
| 00:08 | cait | hi PSC :) |
| 00:08 | and i should be sleeping... so... good night #koha :) | |
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| 00:08 | BobB | hi cait! |
| 00:08 | wahanui | hi cait! are you safely back in germany now? |
| 00:08 | BobB | sleep well |
| 00:09 | @wunder Adelaide, SA | |
| 00:09 | huginn | BobB: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 00:09 | BobB | @wunder Adelaide South Australia |
| 00:09 | huginn | BobB: The current temperature in Adelaide, South Australia is 16.0°C (10:00 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). |
| 00:10 | BobB | hmm, cooler now |
| 00:26 | eythian | wahanui: the sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma. |
| 00:26 | wahanui | ...but sun is shining again - life is good!... |
| 00:26 | eythian | wahanui, the sun is also a miasma of incandescent plasma. |
| 00:26 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 00:28 | PSC | it |
| 00:29 | quick fingers sorry - it's nice here (ADL) today, but I'm too scared to go out - got bitten by the day star yesterday and it's all a bit stingy | |
| 00:30 | rambuten | PSC: I'm guessing your project, and experiences with it, will be of interest to others. Plz feel free to keep us posted on your progress. |
| 00:30 | PSC | Will do Rambuten - lots of interest in it actually, but it's a little bit of reluctance from my end given the "newness" of it. I'm not sure I'm comfy in the pioneer role! |
| 00:31 | rambuten | Hey, you'll get all the credit! |
| 00:35 | PSC | And all the tomatoes! |
| 00:43 | rambuten | PSC: I didn't understand your reference to the "day star". What's that? |
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| 00:49 | PSC | Rambuten - it's what my partners "I hate going outside lock my in my dark room with my screen!" friend calls the sun :) |
| 00:50 | my = me - sorry | |
| 00:52 | jcamins | PSC: I think rambuten meant that he's never seen such a thing. :P |
| 00:54 | PSC | hahaha - oh ok - was trying to think of how to politely phrase "physics/IT nerd" ;) |
| 00:55 | rambuten | OK, got it. The miasma of incadescent plasma was cranked up yesterday and the resulting death rays gave you an IR/UV inflamation of the skin and it's still burning. |
| 00:57 | I need to go acquire some hot tea. | |
| 00:57 | mrx | Hi everyone, I'm using C4::Biblio::ModBiblioMarc and trying to add a field 003 but it is getting appended as last field. Is there a way to enter a new field in the correct order? |
| 00:59 | eythian | are you building the record using the MARC::Record and related tools? |
| 00:59 | because if so, there are functions with that to add things in order. | |
| 01:01 | jcamins | mrx: you should not be using ModBiblioMarc directly. See the comments. |
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| 01:03 | mrx | Oh ok, actually want to update already harvested records but if a field doesn't exist, how to add it in order? |
| 01:04 | jcamins | Take a look at the MARC::Record POD. |
| 01:05 | mrx | thanks |
| 01:05 | jcamins | It's something like insert_ordered or insert_grouped, or something. |
| 01:16 | mrx | thank you, much appreciated |
| 01:23 | eythian | btw bug 11196 solves two errors being logged for every search request. We were seeing 10-20,000 of these errors per day. The workaround is to go and explicitly save the syspref to put the value in the db. |
| 01:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11196 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , SearchEngine pref not in sysprefs.sql |
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| 07:05 | * cait | waves |
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| 07:35 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:35 | cait | hi marcelr :) |
| 07:35 | marcelr | hi cait |
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| 07:42 | cait | good morning and bbl :) |
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| 07:45 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:45 | wahanui | hi, reiveune |
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| 10:08 | kf | good morning #koha :) |
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| 10:46 | vfernandes | hello :) |
| 10:47 | it's possible to set removing records permissions only to some users? | |
| 10:50 | kf | hm curently i think the permissions there are not so detailed |
| 10:51 | if you can add and modify, you can also delete | |
| 11:11 | vfernandes | :/ |
| 11:11 | maybe I can "remove" the links using javascript | |
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| 11:22 | marcelr | Joubu++ #qa 9788 |
| 11:55 | kivilahtio | wow we are facing cookie exhaustion here |
| 12:09 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:11 | kivilahtio | morning tcohen |
| 12:13 | tcohen | kivilahtio? |
| 12:13 | wahanui | kivilahtio is running 3.4 |
| 12:13 | kivilahtio | thats not true |
| 12:13 | how do I change that? | |
| 12:13 | tcohen | wahanui: forget that |
| 12:13 | wahanui | tcohen: I forgot that |
| 12:14 | kivilahtio | we are testing master |
| 12:14 | tcohen | wahanui: kivilahtio is testing master |
| 12:14 | wahanui | ...but kivilahtio is running 3.4... |
| 12:14 | kivilahtio | interesting |
| 12:14 | wahanui | rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 12:15 | tcohen | wahanui: forget kivilahtio is running 3.4 |
| 12:15 | wahanui | tcohen, I didn't have anything matching kivilahtio is running 3.4 |
| 12:15 | kivilahtio | interesting |
| 12:15 | wahanui | i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 12:17 | kf | forget kivilahtio |
| 12:17 | wahanui | kf: I forgot kivilahtio |
| 12:17 | kf | kivilahtio? |
| 12:17 | ;) | |
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| 13:41 | magnuse | pootle is down? |
| 13:55 | kf | khall++ |
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| 14:22 | magnuse | fredericd: around? |
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| 14:25 | kf | bgkriegel runs it |
| 14:25 | he reported to the mailing list - it's a server problem in the data center | |
| 14:25 | guess we have to wait | |
| 14:26 | magnuse | ah, ok |
| 14:26 | the wiki should be updated then :-) | |
| 14:26 | @later tell bgkriegel: you might want to update http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]tration#translate.koha-community.org ;-) | |
| 14:26 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:32 | tcohen | we have a problem in a Storage Server, it takes 4 hours to reboot the whole cloud |
| 14:33 | so our sysadmins are planning WHEN to do it | |
| 14:33 | because it involves a couple hundred servers | |
| 14:33 | ^^^^magnuse, kf | |
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| 14:37 | magnuse | tcohen: that sounds like fun :-) |
| 14:37 | kf | eek |
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| 14:42 | rambuten | @wunder 64507 |
| 14:42 | huginn | rambuten: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 10.8°C (8:42 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
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| 14:45 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 14:45 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 17.8°C (8:45 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
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| 15:03 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 15:03 | nengard | hi oloenard |
| 15:06 | rambutan | hi oleonard |
| 15:12 | kf | gitify |
| 15:12 | gitify? | |
| 15:12 | wahanui | gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
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| 15:20 | vfernandes | can anyone help me with one thing? |
| 15:20 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:20 | vfernandes | on one of my Koha installation checking out it's too slow |
| 15:20 | tcohen | errors in the logs? |
| 15:20 | vfernandes | renew and check in are quick but checking out takes to long |
| 15:21 | no errors | |
| 15:21 | oleonard | What version? |
| 15:21 | wahanui | hmmm... version is always noted in a comment on top |
| 15:21 | vfernandes | 3.12 |
| 15:23 | it takes almost 30s to do a checkout | |
| 15:24 | when I hit the button on the interface, the log on koha_access only appears +- 30s later | |
| 15:24 | tcohen | vfernandes: you might want to add log-slow-queries in your mysqld section (in my.cnf) |
| 15:24 | to log slow queries | |
| 15:25 | it will generate a file /var/lib/mysql/slow_queries.log | |
| 15:25 | in which queries that take more than 10 secs will be logged | |
| 15:26 | also, try enabling the browser's builtin network profiler | |
| 15:26 | so you can be sure which HTTP request is taking most of the time | |
| 15:26 | vfernandes | Koha BD is InnoBD? |
| 15:27 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:27 | you could even add long_query_time = 1 | |
| 15:27 | (10'' > 1'') | |
| 15:27 | vfernandes | my.conf has commented lines to InnoDB tables |
| 15:27 | *my.cnf | |
| 15:28 | should I uncommented that? | |
| 15:28 | tcohen | i wouldn't touch anything |
| 15:29 | just add those two lines | |
| 15:29 | you might as well try this on a test sever | |
| 15:30 | vfernandes | ok let me put those lines |
| 15:30 | should be under mysqld? | |
| 15:31 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:35 | vfernandes | tcohen: slow queries log is clean |
| 15:36 | tcohen | have you tried a new checkout? |
| 15:36 | vfernandes | yes |
| 15:36 | tcohen | so the problem is more a networking one |
| 15:37 | i'd launch the network profiler on chrome and see what is having the page on hold | |
| 15:39 | vfernandes | tcohen: i've reduced the slow time to 1s and when doing a checkout only one query appeared on the log |
| 15:39 | tcohen | use paste.koha-community.org |
| 15:39 | vfernandes | it took 1.26s to run and it's a select from message queue |
| 15:40 | tcohen | do u have set Sendmail.pm to use an external SMTP server? |
| 15:40 | vfernandes | no... local SMTP |
| 15:41 | tcohen | 1.26 is too much, but not *that* much |
| 15:41 | vfernandes | the message_queue has 258121 rows |
| 15:42 | tcohen | so, there's network latency (hence my question on SMTP) and CPU cycles |
| 15:42 | can you try disabling sending a message on checkout? | |
| 15:42 | vfernandes | which is the best way to do that? |
| 15:43 | tcohen | hmm, not sure, kf? |
| 15:43 | vfernandes | i've removed patron messaging to the patron |
| 15:43 | kf | hm? sorry, have not been reading |
| 15:44 | what is the question? | |
| 15:44 | wahanui | i think the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
| 15:44 | vfernandes | with patron messaging to checkouts off it takes the same amount of time |
| 15:45 | tcohen | and the same slow query? |
| 15:45 | vfernandes | yes |
| 15:45 | no! | |
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| 15:47 | tcohen | another one? |
| 15:47 | wahanui | it has been said that another one is moving the box with a patrons loans, holds etc to the top of the "patron details" page. They need that information all the time and have to scroll to see it. |
| 15:49 | vfernandes | no queries logged when checking out this time |
| 15:49 | tcohen | what is the answer? |
| 15:49 | wahanui | hmmm... the answer is always go back to sleep or 42 |
| 15:51 | kf | tcohen: can you keep us updated about the translation server/the planned restart? |
| 15:51 | tcohen | of course |
| 15:51 | vfernandes | i've turned on firebug to see the time it took in one checkout... 34.2s |
| 15:52 | tcohen | right now i'm putting pressure on our IT people so they make a decision on rebooting our private cloud |
| 15:52 | what script is guilty of that vfernandes? | |
| 15:52 | vfernandes | circulation.pl is the script being envoked |
| 15:53 | tcohen | and the one that takes most of the time |
| 15:53 | is not another .js problem | |
| 15:54 | kf | hm do we have good instructions on how to set up a dev environment withtout gitify? |
| 15:54 | vfernandes | what can I do now? |
| 15:55 | kf | tcohen: not trying to put pressure on you, but i will stop asking when i know you will send an email or something :) just trying to get it off my list ;) |
| 15:55 | tcohen | vfernandes: i'm thinking. I'd first grab a db dump and try this on a dev server |
| 15:55 | kf: bgkriegel will send that email | |
| 15:55 | kf | oki :) |
| 15:55 | tcohen | don't ask him, he just will |
| 15:56 | kf | Joubu++ |
| 15:57 | i won't and I know | |
| 15:57 | he is good with things like that :) | |
| 15:57 | so any ideas for dev environment setups? | |
| 15:57 | one of our librries is interested in having a go sending patches :) | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | kf: there's a page. |
| 15:59 | kf | trying to locate it |
| 15:59 | and ... failing | |
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| 16:00 | vfernandes | tcohen: i've added some log to circulation.pl and the script it's taking more than 30s to run |
| 16:00 | kf | jcamins: did you mean this one? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_on_ubuntu_-_git |
| 16:00 | jcamins | No. |
| 16:00 | kf | good |
| 16:00 | jcamins | I wrote a "how to get started developing" page ages ago. |
| 16:00 | kf | i hope there is another :) |
| 16:01 | jcamins | I don't see it, though. |
| 16:01 | kf | me neither :( |
| 16:01 | jcamins | I wonder if someone replaced it with something else. |
| 16:01 | Why don't you want to use gitify? | |
| 16:01 | vfernandes | what could be taking so long in the script? |
| 16:01 | tcohen | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]pment_Environment |
| 16:02 | kf | does that look right to you? i have no idea if the network setup part makes sense |
| 16:02 | tcohen | vfernandes: i cannot help you on that right now, but maybe later i'll come back |
| 16:03 | kf | it does not look right |
| 16:03 | n git | |
| 16:03 | no git | |
| 16:03 | tcohen | no git |
| 16:03 | wrong article | |
| 16:03 | kf | we shoudl really make this easier to find... |
| 16:03 | jcamins | That's because git is in part 2: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]oha_Dev_Env_Setup |
| 16:04 | kf | ah ok, so this is more in the direction of what gitify does i think |
| 16:04 | what aboutt he oldfashioned way... | |
| 16:04 | jcamins | I have a book entitled _A_. |
| 16:04 | kf | kohaclone |
| 16:04 | run the makefile? | |
| 16:05 | jcamins: aren't you glad we don't have stop words now? ;) | |
| 16:05 | jcamins | kf: I had written a page, but it's gone. |
| 16:06 | kf | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ll#Configure_Koha < that doesn't look too horrible |
| 16:06 | maybe | |
| 16:06 | jcamins: boo :( | |
| 16:06 | jcamins | Mostly you just follow INSTALL.debian, though. |
| 16:06 | kf | hm yeah, but it doesn't tell you git |
| 16:06 | i think | |
| 16:06 | i need a dev, not a production system | |
| 16:06 | jcamins | My page was mostly about git, though. |
| 16:07 | It was just "clone the repo"... "follow INSTALL.debian"... "here's how to do development-y things with Koha." | |
| 16:07 | I don't even know what the title means. | |
| 16:07 | kf | *sigh* |
| 16:07 | For a recommended git installation confirm these lines are in the file: | |
| 16:07 | KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml KOHA_PATH=/usr/share/koha PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib | |
| 16:08 | aren't those paths standard install??? | |
| 16:08 | jcamins | Yes, that's wrong. |
| 16:08 | git? | |
| 16:08 | wahanui | git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 16:10 | jcamins | Basically you just choose "dev" instead of "standard," and otherwise the installation process is the same. |
| 16:10 | Why don't you want to use gitify, though? | |
| 16:10 | That's well-documented, and easy to use. | |
| 16:11 | kf | because the permissions drive me nuts. |
| 16:11 | because you can't set up the qa tools easily | |
| 16:11 | vfernandes | my problem is on method canBookBeIssued |
| 16:11 | kf | because i can't help when he does it that way, but i will also point it out |
| 16:11 | i was just looking for the other option | |
| 16:12 | vfernandes | CanBookBeIssued should take this long to run |
| 16:12 | *shouldn't | |
| 16:22 | I already know what it's taking so long | |
| 16:25 | it's on line 758 of Circulation.pl..... my $expiry_dt = DateTime->new(....); | |
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| 16:27 | vfernandes | isn't this strange? |
| 16:31 | tcohen: are you here? | |
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| 16:32 | Joubu | vfernandes: do you have a lot of hollidays in your DB? |
| 16:32 | repeatable_holidays and special_holidays tables | |
| 16:33 | vfernandes | some... |
| 16:33 | but the problem is that creating a new DateTime shouldn't take 30s | |
| 16:34 | Joubu | vfernandes: some == 5, 10, 100, 1000 ? |
| 16:42 | vfernandes | less than 50 |
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| 16:51 | jcamins | Hear me, oh OPAC developers! |
| 16:52 | Making the title of a book in the results screen into a link to the details page might sound like a good idea, but it isn't. | |
| 16:52 | When the book is called "A", the patron will overlook the link. Repeatedly. | |
| 16:53 | Well... making it into a link is fine. Just don't make it the only link. | |
| 16:57 | * oleonard | adds a button, "Click here to see more information about the book or video or whatever if you want to no big deal" |
| 16:59 | jcamins | oleonard: perfect. |
| 16:59 | wahanui | i think perfect is the enemy of good |
| 17:00 | oleonard | Archive.org's Wayback machine is a national treasure. |
| 17:01 | jcamins | oleonard: or enemy of the state. |
| 17:02 | * jcamins | read "I think Archive.org's Wayback enemy machine is a national treasure." |
| 17:08 | rambutan | huggin: wayback machine? |
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| 17:30 | tcohen | hi vfernandes |
| 17:31 | vfernandes | hi tcohen |
| 17:32 | i found my problem | |
| 17:32 | but i didn't solved it | |
| 17:32 | the problem is with DateTime->new and Time Zone Warnings | |
| 17:33 | Time Zone Warnings: Determining the local time zone for a system can be slow. If $ENV{TZ} is not set, it may involve reading a number of files in /etc or elsewhere. If you know that the local time zone won't change while your code is running, and you need to make many objects for the local time zone, it is strongly recommended that you retrieve the local time zone once and cache it | |
| 17:38 | tcohen | interesting |
| 17:38 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 17:38 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack granola bar |
| 17:38 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 17:45 | oleonard | wahanui: botsnack Laffy Taffy why do people even buy it it's not right |
| 17:45 | wahanui | :) |
| 17:46 | druthb | lulz |
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| 17:55 | kf | bye all |
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| 18:01 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "vfernandes: try this" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/255 |
| 18:02 | tcohen | is not optimal in several ways, but it should work for caching the tz |
| 18:02 | it might serve as an experiment, just to see if it solves your problem | |
| 18:03 | replace the "sub tz " definition at the bottom of your Context.pm file with this | |
| 18:05 | vfernandes? | |
| 18:06 | am I offline and I didn't notice? | |
| 18:07 | jcamins | tcohen: you're here. |
| 18:07 | * tcohen | feels relief |
| 18:07 | jcamins | Not sure if vfernandes is, but you are. |
| 18:07 | tcohen | he |
| 18:07 | i hope he sees the logs at least | |
| 18:09 | bye #koha | |
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| 18:14 | joels68 | Hello Koha Comminity! |
| 18:14 | Community, rather. | |
| 18:15 | oleonard | Hi joels68 |
| 18:15 | joels68 | Hello Owen. |
| 18:16 | vfernandes | sorry tcohen... I was trying to solve the problem |
| 18:17 | the problem is not with C4::Context->tz | |
| 18:17 | the access to that variable is quickly | |
| 18:18 | the DateTime->new when time_zone is passed takes so long to calculate... if in new I remove time_zone the script Circulation.pm stops 30s at DateTime->compare | |
| 18:19 | bag | hello |
| 18:20 | rambutan | hey bag |
| 18:20 | bag | hey rambutan |
| 18:20 | wahanui | i think rambutan is not from NZ |
| 18:21 | oleonard | wahanui if you had come to KohaCon you would know for sure |
| 18:21 | wahanui | oleonard: huh? |
| 18:22 | joels68 | whanui what's up? |
| 18:22 | Another typo.... | |
| 18:23 | @wahanui what's up? | |
| 18:23 | huginn | joels68: I suck |
| 18:24 | joels68 | We all do sometimes. |
| 18:24 | I love these bots. | |
| 18:26 | rambutan | I wonder what state-of-the-art in quasi-sentient bots is? |
| 18:28 | Time for lunch. I'd give anything for a nice big bowl of sinigang na baboy. | |
| 18:30 | druthb | rambutan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loebner_Prize |
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| 18:35 | joels68 | Hello Cait. Wie geht's heute? |
| 18:38 | What IRC clients do you use? I'm using Firefox browser whcich has limited functionality. | |
| 18:39 | rangi | morning |
| 18:39 | i use irssi | |
| 18:39 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 18:40 | rambutan | xchat |
| 18:40 | cait | hi joels68 - saw you on the mailing list :) |
| 18:41 | @karma joels68 | |
| 18:41 | huginn | cait: joels68 has neutral karma. |
| 18:41 | rambutan | but xchat has been forked, what's the name of the new one? |
| 18:41 | cait | oh? |
| 18:41 | hm | |
| 18:41 | @karma joel | |
| 18:41 | huginn | cait: Karma for "joel" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 18:41 | rambutan | hexchat, that's it |
| 18:46 | reiveune1 | bye |
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| 18:47 | joels68 | How does Karma work? Will I win cash and prizes? |
| 18:47 | oleonard | Yes, definitely. |
| 18:49 | joels68 | Oh goodie! I'm so excited and I just can't hide it. |
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| 18:56 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 18:56 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:30 AM NZDT on November 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:00 | rangi | dbix::class is http://perltv.org/v/introduction-to-dbixclass |
| 19:00 | (video worth watching) | |
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| 19:47 | rambutan | Would it be fair to say that a library has a one-to-many relationship with patrons? |
| 19:47 | i.e., an entity, a "patron" goes to a library (an encounter) and a procedure happens (checkout book) | |
| 19:48 | jcamins | rambutan: depends on the organization of the consortium. You could also have a many-to-many. |
| 19:48 | rambutan | the patron can go many times, and on each visit there can be many procedures (checkout books, pick up literature, attend a program) |
| 19:49 | so my idle thought is that a hierarchical db, like mongodb, should be, if nothing else, much quicker than a relational database | |
| 19:51 | jcamins | In the case of patrons, basically the only benefit you're getting is faster access because it's denormalized. |
| 19:51 | rambutan | right, a relatonal db has to perform normalization |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Not necessarily. |
| 19:52 | We just do, in this case. | |
| 19:52 | Well... | |
| 19:52 | that's not true. | |
| 19:52 | We don't really normalize patron information. | |
| 19:52 | rambutan | I rather suspect a non-relational db would be much smaller too. Having tables and the overhead take sup some room |
| 19:52 | jcamins: but the db does, surely? | |
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| 19:52 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 19:53 | Or, rather... yeah, if we told it to. | |
| 19:53 | vfernandes | How to add a company and a Koha demo to this page? |
| 19:53 | http://koha-community.org/demo/ | |
| 19:54 | jcamins | There is no built-in normalization. The data is basically stored in a row-based fashion with additional indexes basically set up as pointers. |
| 19:54 | oleonard | vfernandes: You could start by adding it here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_Demo_Databases |
| 19:55 | vfernandes: But it's not for promoting your company, it's for providing clean demos for testing | |
| 19:55 | rambutan | well, I was just thinking that a nonsql db would be perfectly appropriate for an ILS |
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| 19:55 | vfernandes | oleonard it's possible to add a entry and put user and password on request? |
| 19:55 | oleonard | I would say no, but that's just my opinion. |
| 19:56 | That seems like something that belongs on your company's site | |
| 19:56 | vfernandes | hummm ok :) |
| 19:56 | rambutan | I seem to recall that Unicorn ran on some flat file database too, in addition to Oracle. druthb? |
| 19:57 | jcamins | Yeah, NoSQL would work fine with an ILS. |
| 19:57 | druthb | correct, rambutan. |
| 19:58 | jcamins | But in terms of ILS performance, relational vs non-relational is probably not a big factor. |
| 20:01 | vfernandes | oleonard: i think that the company will agree to create an account and "open" the demo to everyone... could I add an entry on the wiki? |
| 20:05 | oleonard | As that page on the wiki says, "Please feel free to list your demo here as long as you provide public access to at least the OPAC and it is running a version of Koha that can be freely obtained by anybody without restriction. " |
| 20:06 | vfernandes | and how about the first link I added here? |
| 20:16 | magnuse | what's the preferred method for setting up dev installation these days? package install + gitify, or plain old git clone + dev install? |
| 20:17 | jcamins | magnuse: I'd recommend gitify to anyone doing it. |
| 20:17 | cait prefers git + dev install. | |
| 20:19 | magnuse | ooh so it boils down to a quetion of who of you two i like the best? ;-) |
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| 20:23 | joels68 | @wunder Worthington MN |
| 20:23 | huginn | joels68: The current temperature in Worthington, Minnesota is 9.0°C (2:15 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa. |
| 20:25 | * druthb | waves to joels68! |
| 20:26 | nengard_lunch | hey joels68 |
| 20:26 | @wunder 78741 | |
| 20:26 | huginn | nengard_lunch: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 19.4°C (2:15 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:31 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 20:31 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 22.2°C (2:31 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:32 | joels68 | Hello ruth and nicole! |
| 20:57 | chris_n | LOL... http://www.cafepress.com/cp/mo[…]7&colorNo=23&pr=F |
| 20:58 | rangi | heh |
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| 21:09 | joels68 | Hi again Cait. Please follow me on Twitter. You'll get chocolate, I promise. |
| 21:10 | eythian | hi |
| 21:10 | cait | heh |
| 21:10 | ok | |
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| 21:11 | cait | trying to find you joels68 |
| 21:11 | joels68 | @jmsasse |
| 21:11 | huginn | joels68: I suck |
| 21:11 | cait | found you :) |
| 21:12 | joels68 | huginn Maybe you need counselling. |
| 21:12 | huginn | joels68: downloading the Perl source |
| 21:13 | joels68 | Thank you Cait. |
| 21:13 | cait | yw |
| 21:13 | * cait | remembers she hasn't had dinner yet... |
| 21:13 | cait | brb |
| 21:14 | joels68 | Everyone here...follow me on Twitter, chocolate will fall on you. :) |
| 21:14 | rangi | heh |
| 21:19 | eythian | http://www.independent.co.uk/n[…]ride-8920524.html <-- emad goes for a walk |
| 21:19 | or a tram ride I suppose | |
| 21:26 | joels68 | Hi eythian or do I dare call you Mr. Robin? |
| 21:27 | eythian | that was totally the wrong channel to be pasting that in |
| 21:27 | * eythian | tries again |
| 21:27 | eythian | also, call me whatever you like :) |
| 21:44 | I found a request that takes 38 seconds to run and calls execute on the database 16,210 times. That's pretty terrible. | |
| 21:47 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #22 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:47 | Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #22: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.12.x/22/ | |
| 21:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet | |
| 21:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opaclayoutstylesheet | |
| 21:48 | cait | eythian: super ouch? |
| 21:48 | what is it? | |
| 21:48 | eythian | it's the opac-details results for something with 500 items. |
| 21:49 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #64 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:49 | Starting build #391 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 21:49 | Project Koha_Docs build #391: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/391/ | |
| 21:49 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet | |
| 21:49 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opaclayoutstylesheet | |
| 21:49 | Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #64: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/64/ | |
| 21:49 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet | |
| 21:49 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opaclayoutstylesheet | |
| 21:50 | nengard | i started an xslt library on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/XSLT_Library |
| 21:50 | in case anyone wants to share | |
| 21:51 | rangi | cool |
| 21:51 | nengard | I see it getting a lot longer than the other libraries :) but what the heck :) |
| 21:52 | eythian | maybe there is/could be added a wiki thing that allows blocks to be collapsed by default |
| 21:53 | so you click to expand the one you want. | |
| 21:53 | cait | we also could put longer blocks on separate pages and link |
| 21:59 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #210 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 22:03 | gmcharlt | @later tell bgkriegel does it make any particular difference to you whether 3.14.x gets branched tomorrow or on Wednesday? |
| 22:03 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:06 | nengard | eythian i like that idea - cait i'd rather not have to create a page for each long snippet if we can avoid it - some people have a very hard time adding pages |
| 22:07 | cait | nengard: we can wat until it gets fuller and then figure out something |
| 22:07 | nengard | yup :) |
| 22:07 | cait | the sql page takes quite a bit to load now :) |
| 22:07 | nengard | yes it does |
| 22:08 | but i do like having it all in one place to easily do a find on page for specific syntax I've used in the past :) | |
| 22:12 | joels68 | What is the perferred document format for passing docs around for proofreading, coments, etc. |
| 22:13 | eythian | It depends on the context. |
| 22:13 | A wiki page is often good. | |
| 22:13 | joels68 | The reason I ask is that I'm taking text from a variety of sources and combining them into one reference docwith typography additions to make them easier to read. |
| 22:15 | The docs I am working on now are in .docx format, with font changes for code snippets and colors to help keep sections distinct from one another and easier to read. | |
| 22:15 | jcamins | joels68: hardcopy. |
| 22:15 | Track changes on digital files is good too, though. | |
| 22:16 | eythian | I assume by "font changes" you mean "styles used correctly", right :) |
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| 22:19 | joels68 | Code snippets in a different font than explanatory text, just like you see in printed books. |
| 22:29 | Here's an example of just copying info from various files and combining it and formatting it for easy reading: http://www.plumcreeklibrary.or[…]packages_Koha.pdf | |
| 22:31 | rangi | now owncloud supports document editing |
| 22:31 | http://owncloud.org/six/ | |
| 22:31 | cait | ooh doesit? |
| 22:32 | rangi | we could have one for koha people to use |
| 22:32 | cait | need to update then :) |
| 22:32 | oooh nice | |
| 22:32 | joels68 | It's not finished yet, but is intended to be an easy to follow text for installing Koha from packages. |
| 22:32 | rangi | cool |
| 22:33 | joels68 | Good, bad, or ugly? |
| 22:33 | rangi | apart from the code snippets, its good |
| 22:33 | cait | and better galleries yay |
| 22:35 | joels68 | It's a first attempt to get some definitive documents available for everyone, rather than searching for bits here and there. |
| 22:36 | Yeach, I suppose the snippets should be in black and jsut a different fonr. | |
| 22:36 | Yeah, I mean. | |
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| 22:48 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #210: UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/210/ |
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| 22:53 | joels68 | I'll take a closer look at ownCloud later tonight. Looks promising. |
| 22:55 | cait | i use it for my files, the new version looks promising |
| 22:56 | joels68 | Cait are you running it on a local server? |
| 22:57 | cait | i have some webspace somewhere |
| 22:57 | but might get a server sometime... | |
| 22:59 | joels68 | Depending on security issue, I have server space here. I will see if it is difficult to secure. |
| 23:01 | Time to go home. Talk to you later. | |
| 23:02 | rangi | cya joels68 |
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| 23:06 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #211 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #209 3 days 1 hr ago) |
| 23:11 | cait | good night #koah |
| 23:11 | #koha | |
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| 23:19 | tcohen | hi |
| 23:19 | wahanui | hey, tcohen |
| 23:19 | eythian | hi |
| 23:20 | https://metacpan.org/pod/Acme::constant <-- I fail to see the point | |
| 23:21 | pianohacker | Hah! ACME :) |
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| 23:31 | tcohen | oleonard around? |
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| 23:54 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 23:54 | Project master_maria build #211: FIXED in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/211/ | |
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| 23:56 | bag | @quote random |
| 23:56 | huginn | bag: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013) |
| 23:56 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
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