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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:45 | dcook | Whoa...I think I just understood a regular expression... |
| 00:45 | if ($parts[-1] !~ /^.*\d-\d.*$/ && $parts[-1] =~ /^(.*\d+)(\D.*)$/) { | |
| 00:45 | If the last array element isn't entirely digits? | |
| 00:45 | And | |
| 00:46 | Group it into two new elements? | |
| 00:46 | Nope, maybe I don't get it | |
| 00:47 | The first regex...starting or ending with anything except a newline...with just digits inbetween | |
| 00:48 | The second doesn't group them.. | |
| 00:49 | jcamins | What is it for? |
| 00:49 | dcook | Callnumber splitting |
| 00:49 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 00:50 | dcook | If "11/10" goes in...$1 = 11 and $2 = /10 |
| 00:50 | jcamins | Yes, that makes sense. |
| 00:51 | $2 starts with the first non-digit character. | |
| 00:51 | dcook | Right |
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| 00:52 | dcook | I'm trying to figure out if that's because it matches or does not match that regex |
| 00:52 | I would think not match.. | |
| 00:52 | jcamins | No, that's what the regex is for. |
| 00:52 | dcook | That the second one...matches anything starting with a digit and ending in a non-digit, but that doesn't make sense either.. |
| 00:52 | jcamins | I imagine it's in a loop? |
| 00:53 | The first one is making sure that it doesn't look like 1-1. | |
| 00:53 | dcook | Mmm, nope, I don't see a loop |
| 00:53 | jcamins | And as long as it's not a dash, the second one splits it on that first non-numeric character. |
| 00:53 | Huh. | |
| 00:53 | That looks like the sort of thing that would be in a loop. | |
| 00:54 | dcook | Ahh, bloody dashes.. |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 00:54 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 00:55 | dcook | I was thinking of it as a set but it's not a set.. |
| 00:55 | wizzyrea: Just to understand regex in this case :p | |
| 00:55 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 00:55 | dcook | Probably going to make another callnumber splitting sub that just doesn't have it |
| 00:55 | :/ | |
| 00:55 | wizzyrea | for what purpose? |
| 00:56 | dcook | So that 11/10 comes out on one line rather than two |
| 00:56 | wizzyrea | lol yes, but in which module, for example? |
| 00:57 | dcook | O_o |
| 00:57 | Label printing | |
| 00:57 | Label.pm | |
| 00:57 | Thanks, jcamins, for the explanation :) | |
| 00:57 | wizzyrea | righty o |
| 00:59 | jcamins | You've looked at the bug on that? |
| 00:59 | @query standing label | |
| 00:59 | huginn` | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm |
| 00:59 | jcamins | That one. |
| 00:59 | wahanui | that one is, like, down more often than up |
| 01:01 | dcook | Not recently |
| 01:02 | I was thinking that this was probably a non-standard call number | |
| 01:02 | But now that I think about it...this is coming from a cataloguer that is extraordinarily competent...so maybe it is actually worth adding to the bug... | |
| 01:02 | It does make me wonder why that regexp exists in the first place... | |
| 01:03 | * dcook | whips out git blame |
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| 01:04 | jcamins | dcook: because usually you'd split on / |
| 01:04 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha jcamins dcook. :) |
| 01:04 | Greetings, tcohen. :) | |
| 01:05 | dcook | jcamins: But this is only looking at the last element in the @parts array :/ |
| 01:05 | jcamins | dcook: oh, right. You said it wasn't in a loop. Okay, that's confusing. |
| 01:05 | dcook | hey ya mtompset |
| 01:07 | tcohen | night #koha |
| 01:08 | jcamins | Night. |
| 01:08 | mtompset | Good night. |
| 01:08 | wahanui | It'll all be over soon... |
| 01:08 | dcook | You know something we don't know, wahanui? |
| 01:08 | wahanui | dcook: what? |
| 01:08 | dcook | Ahh |
| 01:08 | * dcook | taps his nose |
| 01:08 | dcook | Always playing the fool :p |
| 01:10 | mtompset | Oh a happy-ish note... the patch I reconstructed for 6874 for master... applied nicely to 3.12.4 :) |
| 01:10 | Just a tiny bump, related to other patches I was attempting to roll in our special blend. :) | |
| 01:11 | dcook | mtompset: Nice one. Which patch was that? |
| 01:11 | mtompset | upload/files files for 856$u. |
| 01:11 | upload/delete. | |
| 01:11 | It's a handy bug. | |
| 01:12 | well, enhancement. | |
| 01:12 | dcook | Neato |
| 01:13 | I think it conflicts with a local enhancement we have, but...I'll deal with that when the time comes | |
| 01:13 | I think the community version is likely 100x better | |
| 01:13 | mtompset | I'm hoping the original author of the bug rebases it, so I don't have to post my attempted reconstruction of it. |
| 01:15 | dcook | Not entirely sure what to think about this call number: |
| 01:15 | 361.250994 REP NO. 11/10 | |
| 01:15 | jcamins | o.O |
| 01:15 | dcook | While the first part is ddc, the last part is entirely local, no? |
| 01:15 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 01:15 | * dcook | is a LCC person, so isn't super familiar with DDC |
| 01:16 | dcook | Well, that makes me feel a bit better at least |
| 01:16 | Hence my reluctance to post on the standing bug | |
| 01:16 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 01:17 | Might as well say something. | |
| 01:18 | dcook | Mmm, true |
| 01:19 | So this... | |
| 01:19 | wahanui | somebody said so this was the situation im into |
| 01:19 | dcook | s/\///g; |
| 01:20 | Ah, I see | |
| 01:20 | Replaces / with nothing | |
| 01:20 | not even a space | |
| 01:20 | Which makes sense with DDC | |
| 01:36 | At 2400 items with these mixed call numbers...not entirely sure what the best bet is.. | |
| 01:36 | Hmm, 130,000 items total... | |
| 01:36 | Probably choose a different classification scheme for those 2400 items and split differently.. | |
| 01:38 | jcamins | Mmm. |
| 01:38 | Hot brownie with green tea ice cream. | |
| 01:38 | Delicious even if the brownie is meh. | |
| 01:38 | * dcook | drools |
| 01:38 | dcook | Ice cream is known to improve many other desserts |
| 01:39 | I think I only have stale bread...perhaps it's thai for lunch today... | |
| 01:40 | jcamins | That or pain perdu. |
| 01:42 | * jcamins | is reminded of that great literary work, A la recherche du pain perdu. |
| 01:43 | dcook | Pain perdu? |
| 01:43 | jcamins | French toast. |
| 01:43 | dcook | Interesting.. |
| 01:43 | wahanui | well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 01:43 | dcook | We call it pain dore in Canada |
| 01:43 | Golden bread | |
| 01:44 | I like pain perdu though... | |
| 01:44 | Makes sense | |
| 01:44 | "In Québec, French toast is pain doré 'golden bread.' In Paris, French toast is pain perdu" | |
| 01:44 | Hmm | |
| 01:44 | Learn something new every day | |
| 02:43 | mtompset | perdu?! |
| 02:43 | But I thought that was the french word for lost. | |
| 02:45 | jcamins | Yes, and? |
| 02:47 | mtompset | Somehow is triggered a stargate sg-1 memory, but I can't remember the episode exactly. |
| 02:48 | there was a translation problem Daniel encountered that had a similar confusion. | |
| 03:06 | jcamins: How long do you think I should wait on 6874 before posting my attempt at recreating? | |
| 03:06 | jcamins | mtompset: up to you. |
| 03:07 | mtompset | I couldn't tell... who is the original poster of the patch development? |
| 03:07 | jcamins | Julian. |
| 03:07 | All patches have authors. | |
| 03:07 | On line two or so. | |
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| 03:09 | mtompset | There is also an interesting variety in the version numbers on the git patches too (the very last line). :) |
| 03:10 | jcamins | Yeah, that's because they were generated with different version numbers. |
| 03:10 | However, all versions of git preserve authorship, because that's a significant part of the reason that git exists. | |
| 03:11 | mtompset | Does Julian come here on IRC at all? |
| 03:12 | jcamins | Occasionally. |
| 03:12 | mtompset | (not everyone matches up so clearly between IRC and git names) |
| 03:13 | jcamins | His nick is julian_m, usually. |
| 03:27 | dcook | I don't know if I've ever read the coding guidelines before... |
| 03:27 | Should almost have an automated quiz before being able to submit a patch :p | |
| 03:30 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 03:32 | mtompset | dcook: I don't think I'd be submitting patches if that were the case. ;) |
| 03:32 | dcook | It's a pretty good read. It's worth a gander :p |
| 03:33 | I think I might need to redo some of my work with new tables to meet the guidelines.. | |
| 03:36 | mtompset | coding guidelines? |
| 03:36 | wahanui | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 03:36 | mtompset | Even wahanui knows them. ;) |
| 03:39 | Well, I'm going to call it a night. | |
| 03:40 | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea dcook jcamins. :) | |
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| 04:44 | dcook | Writing POD is oddly focusing... |
| 04:44 | hey ya cait_ | |
| 04:45 | cait_ | hi dcook |
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| 05:21 | cait | *grump* went to be with signed off down to 80 - now 85 again! :) |
| 05:21 | dcook | :S |
| 05:30 | * cait | pushed down to 84 |
| 06:08 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:09 | dcook | hey ya magnuse |
| 06:09 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
| 06:10 | gah! i forgot to round off gbsd! and collect the numbers | |
| 06:10 | * magnuse | does it now |
| 06:13 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]shing_day#Numbers |
| 06:13 | yay, well done folks! | |
| 06:14 | needs signoff went from 165 to 141, which makes signed off going from 99 to 84 quite impressive | |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:41 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 06:41 | @wunder marseille | |
| 06:41 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:41 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:41 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:42 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 06:43 | reiveune | hi dcook magnuse :) |
| 06:43 | dcook | hey reiveune :) |
| 06:44 | * dcook | looks at the clock |
| 06:44 | dcook | But it can't be nearly 5... |
| 06:44 | * magnuse | suspects it can |
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| 06:44 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 06:45 | * magnuse | plots ways to keep dcook at work longer |
| 06:45 | magnuse | bonjour gaetan_B |
| 06:46 | cait | bbiab :) |
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| 06:48 | dcook | Tricksy, magnuse :p |
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| 07:13 | dcook | All right, I think that's late enough magnuse :p |
| 07:13 | ta all | |
| 07:15 | magnuse | gah, he escaped... |
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| 07:16 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:19 | papa | heh, good evening |
| 07:21 | kf | hi papa |
| 07:22 | i was just wondering about something in one of your patches | |
| 07:22 | papa | ok, we have 5 mins :) |
| 07:22 | kf | the sip patch for 9611 has a note to accept null passwords |
| 07:23 | are you sure we want to do that? | |
| 07:23 | and maybe i misread | |
| 07:23 | hm no i see it was there before. ew. | |
| 07:23 | papa | umm, that was not my intention, let me see |
| 07:24 | kf | I have opened bug 9936 a while ago |
| 07:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9936 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SIP2 should use C4/Auth.pm for user authentication |
| 07:24 | kf | wonder if that would help ther |
| 07:26 | papa | no idea, I just wanted to complete 9611 :) |
| 07:26 | kf | understandable |
| 07:26 | papa | my aim was to preserve :) |
| 07:26 | kf | yeah also understandable |
| 07:26 | still you might agree that 9936 would be nice to have :) | |
| 07:27 | and i actually worry a bit about accepting null passwords | |
| 07:27 | hm. | |
| 07:27 | but looks like it was there before | |
| 07:27 | magnuse | bug 9611 |
| 07:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt |
| 07:27 | papa | kf: well it is half way there now |
| 07:28 | or maybe 3/4 | |
| 07:28 | depends on how much of that you want | |
| 07:28 | kf | thx for all your sign offs btw papa++ :) |
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| 07:28 | kf | morning paul_p |
| 07:28 | papa | mu pleasure |
| 07:28 | my even | |
| 07:28 | kf | :) |
| 07:29 | papa | gotta go, have a nice day all of you |
| 07:29 | paul_p | hello #koha ! I'm back from vacation this morning :\ |
| 07:29 | kf | had a nice one? |
| 07:29 | bye papa - have a nice evneing :) | |
| 07:29 | paul_p | papa = do you know that in french papa=daddy ? |
| 07:29 | kf | nah, now too slow |
| 07:29 | in German too :) | |
| 07:33 | magnuse | and pappa in norwegian :-) |
| 07:34 | welcome back paul_p | |
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| 07:58 | * magnuse | started a "koha in norway" facebook group on friday - 31 members so far |
| 08:01 | kf | very cool |
| 08:01 | drojf | rgood morning #koha |
| 08:01 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 08:01 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (9:43 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:01 | kf | morning drojf |
| 08:01 | drojf | hi kf and magnuse |
| 08:03 | magnuse | moin drojf |
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| 08:47 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 08:47 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.0°C (10:43 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:47 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:47 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.1°C (10:45 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:00 | mtj | oooh, just spotted this -> http://blogs.ifla.org/bibliogr[…]-cc0-open-license |
| 09:01 | kf | hi mtj :) |
| 09:01 | magnuse | hi mtj |
| 09:01 | mtj | kf, thats good news for you ^^ :p |
| 09:01 | magnuse | dnb++ |
| 09:02 | kf | mtj: it is good news, but also: |
| 09:02 | https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.ph[…]:openaccess:start | |
| 09:02 | Especially this: https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.ph[…]en:openaccess:swb | |
| 09:03 | mtj: that's our data :) | |
| 09:05 | magnuse | Linked_Open_Data++ |
| 09:05 | just wait until rangi and i finnish our rdf projects... ;-) | |
| 09:05 | or finish... | |
| 09:06 | * Guest4505 | slaps csharp around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 09:09 | mtj | kf, thats awesome, and a 1st for me |
| 09:10 | i've never seen anyone provide dumps of their MARC data | |
| 09:20 | kf | it's kind of a trend here in Germany i think |
| 09:21 | linked open data | |
| 09:22 | mtj | magnuse, i have been seeing a bit of chatter about RDF on #koha, but i still need to read more about it |
| 09:24 | i think germany might be a 1st for MARC records, afaik | |
| 09:25 | kf | mtj: i think rdf data is planned |
| 09:26 | mtj | (the only other site i know that does MARC data-dumping is internet-archive/open-library) |
| 09:26 | awesome :) | |
| 09:28 | magnuse | gutenberg does marc and rdf: http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/[…]ogs#MARC_Records_.28automatically_generated.29 |
| 09:28 | rangi | a bunch of unis do too |
| 09:29 | magnuse | i'd say a ton of marc records converted to rdf is less interesting than the software used to convert it to marc... |
| 09:29 | rangi | umich is one |
| 09:29 | magnuse | gah! s/convert it to marc/convert it to rdf/ |
| 09:33 | mtj | rangi, thats good to hear |
| 09:35 | i guess a bunch of the places that are contributing to OL are providing their own dumps, on their servers | |
| 09:40 | kf | mtj: could you reply to the new poll for a qa team meeting? I think it got a bit lost |
| 09:40 | sent it last thursday to koha-devel | |
| 09:40 | mtj | oops, yes sorry |
| 09:41 | kf | mtj: :) gmcharlt is the only one who replied so far - you just happened to be there |
| 09:41 | hoping to restart the thread | |
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| 09:55 | kf | mtj: 19 or 15 utc? ;) i guess 19 :) |
| 09:55 | thx for answreing :) | |
| 09:59 | mtj | yeah, 19 UTC for kiwis, i think |
| 10:00 | kf | i thought so - it's really hard to find a time for our group |
| 10:00 | if that doesn't work out, i will try to make more use of the mailing list | |
| 10:01 | I'd just have liked to have a meeting to get things started a bit | |
| 10:05 | mtj | yeah, its tricky alright |
| 10:08 | (kf, thanks heaps for all your effort in organising this) | |
| 10:09 | kf | mtj: i feel it's maybe a bit late... but better late than never maybe :) |
| 10:15 | mtj | no no, not too late :) |
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| 11:05 | Viktor | I noted that the field "mobile phone" is called "other phone" in staff interface when editing, but displayed as "secondary phone" on the details.. |
| 11:06 | Is this weirdness a feature I'm not aware of? :) | |
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| 11:17 | kf | Viktor: hm they got renamed a while ago, maybe a leftover inconsistency |
| 11:18 | are there 2 or 3 phone number fields? | |
| 11:18 | Viktor | 3 - primar, secondary and other |
| 11:18 | (in staff) | |
| 11:19 | kf | ah taht sounds right |
| 11:19 | Viktor | Is there supposed to be no "mobile" field anymore kf? |
| 11:21 | I'm a little worried about where to fetch the numbers for SMS services in the future. I guess we want to store it in the right field from the start.. | |
| 11:37 | kf | Viktor: pick one and make that your mobile field |
| 11:37 | there is also an sms alertnumber... that only shows up when you have sms notices activated I think | |
| 11:37 | we haven't used that, but if you agree on a field in th library that you use for mobile it should be fine | |
| 11:37 | just trying not to mix up numbers :) | |
| 11:37 | and field descripotions can be changed using jquery | |
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| 11:43 | Viktor | Thanks kf ! |
| 11:43 | Knowing that notifications lights up when using SMS is good! | |
| 11:44 | kf | i think there is an additional field showing up when activating that |
| 11:44 | but we are not using sms - so i can't help more there than that I think | |
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| 12:01 | Viktor | kf Thanks! Just knowing this makes me sleep better :) And sorry - lost my wifi while hooking up some hardware and had to share a 3G hotspot from the phone. |
| 12:02 | kf | Viktor: if you have the data somewhere, not mixed up - there is not much to worry about i think |
| 12:02 | even moving from one field to another is easy to do with sql | |
| 12:02 | Viktor | kf :) |
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| 12:12 | magnuse | hm, the borrowers table has a "mobile" column, but the description says "the other phone number for your patron/borrower's primary address" |
| 12:14 | oleonard | Are you asking why it's called mobile if that's the description? |
| 12:15 | magnuse | trying to follow up on this: <Viktor> I noted that the field "mobile phone" is called "other phone" in staff interface when editing, but displayed as "secondary phone" on the details.. |
| 12:18 | looks like bug 5252 changed the labels of the fields in the ui | |
| 12:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Emails & Phones On Patron Add/Edit form |
| 12:19 | magnuse | i guess the real question is which field the sms code looks in... |
| 12:20 | oleonard | Yes, the labels on the patron detail page are switched with regard to the patron edit screen |
| 12:21 | But no field should be specifically connected to "mobile." I hope the SMS code looks for "primary" | |
| 12:21 | * magnuse | tries to check |
| 12:22 | magnuse | C4::SMS::send_sms() just takes a phone number as an argument |
| 12:22 | jcamins | That doesn't seem right. |
| 12:22 | magnuse | trying to find where it gets called |
| 12:22 | jcamins | Primary is traditionally a landline. |
| 12:22 | SMS is mobile-only. | |
| 12:22 | kf | oleonard: i tihnk the sms code looks for another field that is normally not visible |
| 12:22 | smsalertnumber or similar | |
| 12:22 | oleonard | jcamins: Tradition is old-fashioned |
| 12:22 | kf | it shows up below the the messaging options iirc when you have an sms driver put in |
| 12:23 | oleonard | Yeah, that's right |
| 12:23 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, but all the old data is going to have landlines marked as primary. |
| 12:24 | oleonard | As kf reminds us the point is moot |
| 12:24 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 12:24 | oleonard | The "primary phone" has to be whatever the patron wants as primary, whether it is mobile or land line |
| 12:25 | magnuse | smsalertnumber - the mobile phone number where the patron/borrower would like to receive notices (if SNS turned on) |
| 12:25 | oleonard | That's why we renamed it "primary" |
| 12:25 | * jcamins | had already finished typing by the time he saw kf's message. ;) |
| 12:25 | oleonard | Unfortunately the OPAC still labels the "other phone" filed "mobile." We're not doing a very good job at keeping up with our own changes. |
| 12:26 | kf | oleonard: ture |
| 12:26 | they keep slipping in I think | |
| 12:26 | back in... with new patches | |
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| 12:30 | kf | hm |
| 12:30 | i thought i had seen a bug report for adding statistical itemtypes... | |
| 12:30 | but can't find it! | |
| 12:31 | and now I did :) all it needed was saying that on #koha i guess | |
| 12:31 | bug 7716 | |
| 12:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type |
| 12:31 | magnuse | hehe |
| 12:31 | huh? hard coded turkish strings? http://git.koha-community.org/[…]715c8;hb=HEAD#l68 | |
| 12:33 | (according to google translate) | |
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| 12:34 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:34 | oleonard | "SMS - widespread cleanup and moving code away from Cyprus/Turkey-specific implementation. Much more needed." |
| 12:35 | Much more indeed. | |
| 12:35 | kf | hi tcohen :) |
| 12:40 | oleonard | kf: Bug 9603 re-signed-off |
| 12:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9603 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Signed Off , Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE |
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| 12:58 | kf | oleonard-away: thx :) |
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| 13:14 | kf | bgkriegel++ |
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| 13:46 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 13:46 | druthb | drojf! |
| 13:46 | drojf | druthb! :) |
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| 13:47 | drojf | erm |
| 13:47 | maybe the wifi just hates irc | |
| 13:47 | it worked fine all day | |
| 13:48 | or bad karma for being unfriendly on the mailing list | |
| 13:51 | * kf | goes to check the mailing list |
| 13:51 | kf | drojf! druthb! |
| 13:51 | drojf | kf! |
| 13:52 | druthb | kf! |
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| 13:59 | kf | oleonard-away: hm ping? |
| 13:59 | wahanui | Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-ab[…]oks/dp/0448421658 |
| 13:59 | Viktor | drojf whose wifi? Since I mentioned my wifi a little while ago the "unfriendly on the mailing list" part worries me a bit as I've not been on the list at all. |
| 14:00 | And thanks for looking into the whole phone number thing people! | |
| 14:01 | drojf | Viktor: my wifi at university. i lose connection here a lot |
| 14:02 | i don't think you get bad karma for not being on the list ;) | |
| 14:02 | but who knows… :D | |
| 14:03 | Viktor | droj My connection has dropped a lot today too :/ |
| 14:03 | kf | jcamins++ :) |
| 14:04 | Viktor | drojf Let's hope not :) I do read the translate list, but I've gotta check if I'm on the main list. I've been getting zero mails from that one lately.. |
| 14:04 | drojf | Viktor: do you have eduroam by any chance? ;) |
| 14:05 | Viktor | drojf No - but I do recognize it in a slightly unflattering way. |
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| 14:07 | mtompset | Good reply, drojf. :) |
| 14:07 | druthb | hi, mtompset! |
| 14:07 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. |
| 14:08 | drojf | hi mtompset |
| 14:08 | not too unfriendly? | |
| 14:09 | mtompset | No, drojf. Though, I really think that people can't grasp the idea that "free support" works best with "follow the official instructions". |
| 14:10 | drojf | he's not the first to try the "i'll do it my way until people refuse to help" thing *sigh* |
| 14:11 | mtompset | I'm sure the person who shall not be named that I am sure we are thinking of will tell him how to do it all wrong. ;) |
| 14:11 | drojf | lol |
| 14:12 | mtompset | Though, I did update the tarball instructions for ubuntu recently, so that the whole dselect mess is gone and replaced with the nice "sudo apt-get install koha-deps koha-perldeps" |
| 14:13 | I suspect the person forgot to set __KOHA_USER__ and __KOHA_GROUP__ before the build. | |
| 14:14 | drojf | that is the part i don't get. if you want to install with tarball… there are instructions for that too, on the wiki. why is it that people think they should do that "frozen snapshot of how i at one point installed koha" thing and send the link to everybody? |
| 14:14 | mtompset | But I'm hoping he will realize there are actually official tarball instructions which state that. |
| 14:16 | Exactly, drojf. Every release, you should to check the instructions again for the installation. Not that they will need updating, but sometimes they do. | |
| 14:16 | And it's the official wiki one's that get updated the most frequently. | |
| 14:17 | drojf | anyway. gotta finish some things and head home. later, #koha |
| 14:23 | mtompset | Out of curiosity, will Koha be making a wheezy repository? |
| 14:24 | Because I am sure someone, somewhere is going to think they know better and change the koha.list entry to say wheezy and not squeeze. | |
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| 14:26 | mtompset | @seen gmcharlt |
| 14:26 | huginn` | mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: * gmcharlt backs away slowly from druthb |
| 14:26 | mtompset | Look what you did, druthb. ;) |
| 14:27 | druthb | lulz |
| 14:27 | @quote random | |
| 14:27 | huginn` | druthb: Quote #234: "<oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado" (added by slef at 12:59 AM, March 01, 2013) |
| 14:27 | druthb | I skeered him off. |
| 14:28 | mtompset | And you done it good too. |
| 14:28 | which bot does @later? | |
| 14:29 | jcamins | huginn |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Thanks, jcamins. |
| 14:35 | * kf | wonders that druthb did and if gmcharlt really managed to escape... |
| 14:35 | * druthb | didn't do anythin! |
| 14:35 | druthb | I'm not scary! I'm a sweetie! |
| 14:36 | kf | well evidence so far says you were the last to see him... |
| 14:36 | doesn't look good for you | |
| 14:36 | mtompset | So when I suggested INSTALL.{OS}.{dev|standard|single} and gmcharlt said it was "too much, IMO -- at least at the top level", do you think he meant INSTALL.{dev|single|standard}.{OS} is a better ordering, but not necessarily that as the final solution? |
| 14:36 | jcamins | No, he meant that it's too much. |
| 14:36 | INSTALL.{OS} is more than enough. | |
| 14:37 | mtompset | given the people posting on the mailing list, I don't think so. |
| 14:37 | jcamins | Well, look at it this way: would any of those people read the 15 documents you're proposing to write? |
| 14:37 | (hint: no) | |
| 14:38 | mtompset | Valid counter point. |
| 14:38 | jcamins | Also, we shouldn't be recommending single. |
| 14:39 | mtompset | True. |
| 14:39 | jcamins | It has no practical use, and will only cause maintenance problems. |
| 14:40 | mtompset | Which reminds me... We've got 3 install.ubuntu type instructions in Koha right now, and I suppose I can work to prune clean them up for 3.14 today. :) |
| 14:41 | jcamins | Good plan. |
| 14:41 | kf | druthb: you are safe - gmcharlt is pushing patches ;) |
| 14:41 | druthb | yay! |
| 14:42 | * druthb | gets off the phone with the FBI; she won't be going into Witness Protection after all. |
| 14:42 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 14:42 | mtompset | kf, are you sure it really is gmcharlt and not some automated process? |
| 14:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #66 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:42 | mtompset | druthb is our prime suspect. ;) |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality |
| 14:43 | mtompset | So are we the host or guest environment, gmcharlt? ;) |
| 14:44 | druthb | mtompset: if gmcharlt answers "yes", then suspect a bot. |
| 14:44 | gmcharlt | mu |
| 14:45 | druthb | ooooh. A bot that's been programmed with the jargon file. |
| 14:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1388 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:46 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]77dc3a604a08e6192> |
| 14:47 | mtompset | Are we aiming for a name-based or port-based installation from source? |
| 14:47 | druthb | I would say "aliens have replaced gmcharlt with a bot", but in Seattle—angry baristas are more likely than aliens. |
| 14:48 | mtompset | Don't you mean the cult of dagon which is somehow connected to the two tailed mermaid? |
| 14:50 | gmcharlt | mu |
| 14:50 | druthb | Naah, those are all myths, like honest politicians and CEOs who are in it for the greater good. Angry baristas and hipsters are a known phenom, and they congregate in the Pacific Northwest. |
| 14:52 | oleonard | kf: I'm back |
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| 15:00 | kf | oleonard: jcamins helped me out with some jquery :) |
| 15:00 | * kf | hands oleonard a cookie anyway |
| 15:16 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]167ff3ec343df3a78> / Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]205a22d16fd28ae38> / Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ |
| 15:21 | mtompset | tcohen++ # great idea! |
| 15:22 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #66: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/66/ |
| 15:22 | Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage | |
| 15:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10645 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Missing zebra languages in koha-create manpage |
| 15:22 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #67 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:27 | jcamins | oleonard: has FF always spazzed out about Koha's CSS? |
| 15:27 | oleonard | Spazzed out? |
| 15:28 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "FF is cranky" (61 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/187 |
| 15:28 | jcamins | The display looks completely normal to me, but I don't remember ever noticing two screens full of CSS warnings. |
| 15:28 | Before. | |
| 15:28 | oleonard | Yeah I think that's pretty standard |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 15:29 | oleonard | Our CSS isn't fully valid because of hacks and vendor-specific stuff |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 15:29 | I guess I just never had CSS warnings set to display. | |
| 15:30 | oleonard | You need to have your CSS warnings display option set to "Global Warming Denier" |
| 15:37 | druthb | tcohen++ |
| 15:43 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:45 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 15:51 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:59 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #67: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/67/ |
| 15:59 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10719 - UT GetUpcomingDueIssues | |
| 15:59 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests | |
| 15:59 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode | |
| 15:59 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo | |
| 15:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , UT GetUpcomingDueIssues |
| 15:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT) | |
| 16:00 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1388: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1388/ |
| 16:00 | Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage | |
| 16:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10645 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Missing zebra languages in koha-create manpage |
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| 16:02 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1389 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:05 | tcohen | websockets for writing a circulation dashboard with fancy graphics? |
| 16:05 | jcamins | tcohen++ |
| 16:06 | tcohen | jcamins, have you done smth like that in perl? |
| 16:06 | jcamins | tcohen: nope. |
| 16:06 | tcohen | (node + socket.io would do it simpler i know) |
| 16:07 | jcamins | Actually, I'm using sockjs. |
| 16:07 | It is very nice. | |
| 16:07 | sockjs.ohdidyouwantthattobecomplicatedsorryiamactuallydonesettingupwebsocketswhydontyougohavesomecoffee() | |
| 16:08 | tcohen | oh, i'll take a look |
| 16:08 | jcamins | But that's for node.js. |
| 16:08 | Oh, look at that: https://github.com/vti/sockjs-perl | |
| 16:09 | Also, https://github.com/vti/pocketio | |
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| 16:25 | * drojf | is siding with tcohen and considering the hilton guy a spammer |
| 16:25 | cait | drojf: and a robot? |
| 16:25 | wahanui | a robot is mean :) |
| 16:26 | drojf | what? did i miss the fun part? :D |
| 16:27 | noo, robots are cool. he's not a robot | |
| 16:28 | jcamins | tcohen: the consensus seems to be that a node front-end is the way to go. :P |
| 16:36 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c061cd7c893f08983> |
| 16:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #68 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:43 | oleonard | wahanui: Who told you a robot is mean? |
| 16:43 | wahanui | no idea, oleonard |
| 16:43 | oleonard | wahanui: For a bot who is designed to remember things you have a terrible memory |
| 16:43 | wahanui | bugger all, i dunno, oleonard |
| 16:44 | drojf | he remembers some things |
| 16:44 | confetti? | |
| 16:44 | wahanui | i think confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
| 16:44 | drojf | hm. now i forgot how to do it |
| 16:44 | :/ | |
| 16:44 | druthb | germs? |
| 16:44 | wahanui | germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 16:44 | drojf | confetti! |
| 16:44 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 16:44 | jcamins | more conefetti! |
| 16:44 | more confetti! | |
| 16:44 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' |
| 16:45 | jcamins | It helps to spell correctly. |
| 16:45 | drojf | :) |
| 16:45 | druthb | anyone? |
| 16:45 | wahanui | anyone is probably free to organize one at any time :-) |
| 16:45 | druthb | :P |
| 16:45 | wahanui: botsnack internet trolls, with ketchup. | |
| 16:45 | wahanui | :) |
| 16:46 | druthb | Do not meddle in the affairs of #koha, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup. |
| 16:51 | drojf | everyone tastes good with ketchup |
| 16:51 | jcamins | Yeah, but trolls taste better. |
| 16:51 | * druthb | watches drojf carefully. |
| 16:51 | cait | druthb: jsut tell him you are not gluten free |
| 16:51 | druthb | ! |
| 16:52 | * drojf | hides behind the huge bottle of ketchup |
| 16:52 | * druthb | eats another slice of bread, just to make sure. |
| 16:52 | drojf | lol |
| 16:53 | * druthb | is in a silly, silly mood today. |
| 16:53 | mtompset | druthb: We never did confirm completely that gmcharlt isn't a bot. |
| 16:53 | drojf | i think that dvd person is demanding a duel |
| 16:53 | mtompset | So this is looking like a serial scaring. |
| 16:53 | druthb | I saw him post on Facebook earlier, mtompset, so I think he's really himself. |
| 16:54 | cait | bbl #koha |
| 16:54 | don't eat anyone without me | |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Sacre bleu! Lisp parentheses at twenty paces! |
| 16:54 | cait | i want my share :P |
| 16:54 | mtompset | That's what a serial scare-ist would say. :P |
| 16:54 | * druthb | gives mtompset the ebil eye. |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Wow, he's really gunning for a slap-down. |
| 16:55 | mtompset | Where is ebil, so I can give him his eye back? :P |
| 16:55 | Lisp parentheses at twenty paces? | |
| 16:55 | druthb | jcamins: Vimal, or mtompset? or both? |
| 16:55 | "He"—pronoun without referent. | |
| 16:56 | jcamins | The former, though if mtompset doesn't watch out, he may find himself with a cyclopsian eye facing off against a lisp parenthesis-armed druthb. |
| 16:56 | mtompset | Could be someone who wrote a whacky long Lisp statement. |
| 16:56 | drojf | slaps for ever-he-one |
| 16:57 | maybe it's full moon on the list | |
| 16:57 | if the wiki guy and the dvd guy team up they will be unstoppable | |
| 16:59 | mtompset | Where is this lisp thing you are referring to jcamins? |
| 17:00 | druthb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]ramming_language) |
| 17:00 | mtompset | druthb: I know what lisp is, but jcamins' reaction made it sound like he had just read some scary long lisp. |
| 17:01 | jcamins | mtompset: http://xkcd.com/297/ |
| 17:02 | mtompset | Oh. I was hoping for some scary awesome code. |
| 17:03 | druthb | http://xkcd.com/224/ |
| 17:03 | * magnuse | waves his hands around like a maniac in hope of fitting in |
| 17:03 | druthb | hi, magnuse! :) |
| 17:04 | * druthb | offers her favorite Norwegian a cookie. |
| 17:04 | magnuse | druthb! |
| 17:04 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 17:04 | magnuse | om nom nom nom |
| 17:05 | yay for hacking things together with perl | |
| 17:05 | mtompset | Yes, 224 was a good xkcd. :) |
| 17:06 | magnuse | ay t'is true |
| 17:06 | oleonard | having_your_world_view_validated_by_xkcd++ |
| 17:06 | magnuse | heh |
| 17:07 | mtompset | http://xkcd.com/1254/ |
| 17:08 | I just thought the comment "I have no idea how you use technology" is applicable to some of the recent mailing list posts. ;) | |
| 17:09 | drojf | you mean mine? :P |
| 17:09 | * drojf | trolls back on the list |
| 17:11 | * jcamins | was genuinely offended by that message. So offended he responded. |
| 17:14 | drojf | good point jcamins, i did not even think about the end of his term. i thought telling him to send a patch would take care of everything |
| 17:14 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1389: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1389/ |
| 17:14 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10719 - UT GetUpcomingDueIssues | |
| 17:14 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests | |
| 17:14 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode | |
| 17:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , UT GetUpcomingDueIssues |
| 17:14 | jenkins_koha | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo |
| 17:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT) |
| 17:15 | jcamins | drojf: yeah, there's actually a reason he's not on the release notes. |
| 17:15 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1390 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:18 | mtompset | -- cause he didn't RELEASE a newer version. :P |
| 17:18 | tcohen | lol |
| 17:19 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #68: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/68/ |
| 17:19 | Kenza Zaki: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm | |
| 17:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10528 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: C4::Bookseller.pm needs unit tests |
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| 17:21 | mtompset | What are the two meanings of RM? 3.x.0 vs. 3.x.y? |
| 17:22 | jcamins | There's only one meaning. RM = Release Manager. RMaint = Release Maintainer. Sometimes people misspeak. |
| 17:23 | mtompset | So the RM is responsible for 3.x.0 and on? While the RMaint is only responsible for helping the RM for 3.x.1 and on? |
| 17:24 | jcamins | Yeah, though thankfully after 3.x.0 most RMaints don't bother the poor, having-suffered RM much. |
| 17:24 | drojf | because they are burned out |
| 17:25 | tcohen | We RMaint are just boureaucrats, RM do the juicy job |
| 17:25 | jcamins | Oh heck yes are we ever. |
| 17:25 | tcohen | .-P |
| 17:26 | drojf | ah so dvd guy missed out on all the important release not fun because we did not have that position in there at all before? |
| 17:26 | cait | noone ever talks about the qa people... |
| 17:26 | drojf | *release note fun |
| 17:26 | jcamins | Pretty much. |
| 17:27 | And because he is not really present in the community at all so no one remembered to add him during his term. | |
| 17:27 | drojf | cait: that is to trick you into becoming release manager later :P |
| 17:27 | jcamins | drojf: sneaky! |
| 17:27 | cait | hah |
| 17:27 | jcamins | Diabolical, even. |
| 17:27 | I think cait is too smart. | |
| 17:28 | cait | right now i am trying nto to suffocate from coughing |
| 17:28 | when i survive whatever kind of crazy cold that is,... | |
| 17:28 | no probably not even then. | |
| 17:28 | drojf | jcamins: oh. so he did it all for nothing but personal joy. funny, how that free software thing works. :P |
| 17:34 | * druthb | hands wiffle bats to tcohen and jcamins. |
| 17:34 | * magnuse | wonders if anyone is sending SMSes from koha... |
| 17:35 | jcamins | magnuse: check with khall. I think he said that he has a library that is. |
| 17:39 | git? | |
| 17:39 | wahanui | i think git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 17:41 | * jcamins | takes this opportunity to say that live dvds are a bad idea. |
| 17:41 | * magnuse | makes a note of that |
| 17:42 | * drojf | prints a t-shirt of that |
| 17:42 | mtompset | By the way, who is Nguyen Quoc Uy? |
| 17:42 | jcamins | Someone who volunteered to be Live DVD Manager and hasn't been around since, I think. |
| 17:42 | drojf | i'd be up for deleting that position completely |
| 17:42 | or i will switch to plan b | |
| 17:43 | it's probably not nice to delete a position we elected someone for? | |
| 17:43 | jcamins | Probably not. |
| 17:44 | mtompset | I agree. Though, if Nguyen Quoc Uy doesn't release a live DVD, but VKV does, then we probably should note VKV. |
| 17:44 | drojf | ok then i'll have to run for next live dvd manager |
| 17:44 | jcamins | I'm hearing a lot of talk, not a lot of live dvd releasing. |
| 17:44 | tcohen | please drojf |
| 17:44 | drojf | and forget to release. in return, i won't complain if you forget me in the release notes |
| 17:51 | druthb | We can't forget drojf! nope nope nope! |
| 17:51 | wahanui will remember for us. | |
| 17:51 | wahanui | druthb: huh? |
| 17:51 | druthb | wahanui: drojf? |
| 17:51 | wahanui | hmmm... drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi! |
| 17:52 | mtompset | drojf: Are you still doing the Raspberry pi thing? |
| 17:57 | * magnuse | is tempted into troll-bashing instead of doing useful things |
| 17:58 | * druthb | hands magnuse a spare wiffle-bat |
| 17:58 | magnuse | yay! |
| 17:58 | * magnuse | recommends "Trollhunter" to everyone: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/ |
| 17:59 | druthb | oooh. |
| 17:59 | magnuse | it will be mandatory viewing before coming to kohacon in norway some time in the future, so you might as well watch it now |
| 18:00 | druthb | "Trollhunter" sounds like a lovely name for a Scandinavian death-metal band, perhaps with one or two metal umlauts. |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Tröllhüntër? |
| 18:01 | druthb | perfect! |
| 18:01 | wahanui | perfect is the enemy of good |
| 18:01 | * druthb | nominated jcamins for lead bassist. |
| 18:02 | magnuse | that reminds me of http://skuls.no/ |
| 18:03 | don't be afraid of admitting it if you don't get the joke ;-) | |
| 18:04 | druthb | are all of those really bands, magnuse? |
| 18:05 | jcamins | Google translate can't handle that. |
| 18:05 | magnuse | nope, not at all :-) |
| 18:05 | druthb | Didn't think so. GT totally fussed about some of those terms. |
| 18:05 | magnuse | the words are office, haridryer, earwarmer, brussel sprouts, backpack etc |
| 18:06 | druthb | LOL |
| 18:06 | magnuse | everyday norwegian words |
| 18:07 | but they do *look* like real bands, though ;-) | |
| 18:07 | druthb | That is the kind of thing, though… you get a nice metally-sounding word, to the English ear, and run with it… "enhjørning", maybe, or "kjæresten". And make Norwegians giggle. |
| 18:08 | * druthb | waits for it. |
| 18:09 | druthb | It's all in the *font* |
| 18:09 | magnuse | :-) |
| 18:10 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 18:10 | druthb | sssh…gotta quit talking about talljoy! She's here. |
| 18:10 | magnuse | oops, that was close |
| 18:11 | drojf1 joined #koha | |
| 18:11 | drojf | oops. hi talljoy, nobody called you a haarföner |
| 18:12 | * druthb | takes drojf's wiffle bat away. |
| 18:13 | drojf | I am not trying to under estimate the role of developers. |
| 18:13 | wow. i'm getting that stitched on a pillow case | |
| 18:14 | oleonard | This is a grumpy day on the mailing list--and not without reason. |
| 18:14 | * talljoy | perks up and finds her norwegian dictionary |
| 18:15 | talljoy | a hairdryer? |
| 18:15 | jcamins | talljoy: I think hairdryer. |
| 18:15 | drojf | oh no a library type of person, owning book /o\ |
| 18:15 | druthb | better watch out, talljoy. The silly runs deep today. |
| 18:15 | drojf | books |
| 18:15 | oleonard | Quick, someone post a message to the list suggesting we ditch the list in favor of a Google Group |
| 18:15 | drojf | lol |
| 18:15 | talljoy | google hangout? yay! |
| 18:16 | drojf | google hairdryer |
| 18:16 | magnuse | oleonard: there is already a linked in group. it's pretty, um hairy |
| 18:16 | oleonard | Motto: "Google knows if you're having a bad hair day" |
| 18:17 | * oleonard | finally ditched his LinkedIn account after finding it useless |
| 18:20 | drojf | who runs the linkedin group? if things like that are run by anyone (never had an account there or know anything about it) |
| 18:21 | tcohen | bye #koha. have a nice trollday |
| 18:21 | drojf | lol |
| 18:21 | cu tcohen | |
| 18:21 | mtompset | bye tcohen. |
| 18:22 | oleonard | if the Live DVD is necessary because people can't be bothered to install Koha normally, why are they expected to do manual upgrades? |
| 18:22 | jcamins | Shhhh!!!! |
| 18:23 | mtompset | DOH! I was just typing that. |
| 18:23 | jcamins | Shhh? |
| 18:23 | magnuse | drojf: someone probably started the group, but they might not do a whole lot of running, i expect |
| 18:26 | drojf | please feed the troll or it will die. we don't want that ;) |
| 18:29 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1390: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1390/ |
| 18:29 | Kenza Zaki: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm | |
| 18:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10528 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: C4::Bookseller.pm needs unit tests |
| 18:34 | * cait | hands out bowls with popcorn |
| 18:38 | drojf | hahahaha |
| 18:38 | rofl | |
| 18:39 | now we are talking | |
| 18:39 | * cait | hmpf |
| 18:40 | mtompset | I just sent a reply. |
| 18:41 | I'll stop feeding the troll now. | |
| 18:41 | oleonard | Have y'all seen Bug 10212 in action? |
| 18:41 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration for tables |
| 18:42 | oleonard | http://screencast.com/t/8nkouqnTKLY |
| 18:42 | I think the "show / hide columns" button clutters things up a bit, but I'm curious what others think | |
| 18:43 | cait | oleonard: looking now :) |
| 18:43 | oleonard | The enhancement also lets you set a system-wide configuration hiding specific columns in the specified tables. |
| 18:43 | drojf | hm i lost flash for some reasons |
| 18:43 | so i can't see it | |
| 18:43 | oleonard | Yeah, sorry about the Flash dependency |
| 18:43 | cait | oleonard: i think it looks nice actually - if we have the search above the table it might fit somewhere next to that? |
| 18:44 | jcamins | I think that's okay. |
| 18:44 | mtompset | Oh, that is a cool feature. |
| 18:44 | magnuse | nice |
| 18:44 | mtompset | (just from the screen cast) |
| 18:44 | oleonard | Joubu++ # for that feature |
| 18:45 | magnuse | Joubu++ agreed! |
| 18:46 | mtompset | Though, is there a way to make it not hidable? |
| 18:46 | drojf | ha, firefox just has a new weird way of dealing with flash |
| 18:46 | mtompset | Un-checking everything wouldn't make sense. |
| 18:46 | oleonard | mtompset: Yes, in that example the "renew" and "check in" columns are not hidable |
| 18:47 | cait | translatability? :) |
| 18:48 | drojf | oh nice feature |
| 18:48 | oleonard | I presume the configuration menu pulls the column names from the table cait |
| 18:48 | I raised a different translation issue on the bug report | |
| 18:48 | cait | sorry, bit behind with my bug mails |
| 18:51 | oleonard | khall around? |
| 18:52 | @seen bag | |
| 18:52 | huginn` | oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 5 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <bag> heya wizzyrea |
| 18:54 | * magnuse | tries to upgrade to 3.12.4 and is reminded that eythian is on holiday :-) |
| 18:56 | mtompset | magnuse: You could roll your own, while he is on holiday. :) |
| 18:58 | drojf | or use a livedvd. you never have to update a livedvd |
| 18:58 | * drojf | hides |
| 18:58 | magnuse | lol... |
| 18:58 | mtompset: i know, but i don't think i will bother | |
| 18:59 | mtompset | out of curiosity... when the tar.gz is released for a Koha release, there is always a new "vX.YY.ZZ" type tag created, right? |
| 18:59 | jcamins | mtompset: yes. |
| 18:59 | mtompset | How do you now the most current tag that was added? |
| 19:00 | jcamins | git describe |
| 19:02 | mtompset | Thanks. |
| 19:04 | rangi | eek |
| 19:05 | oleonard | Oh no we forgot to warn rangi not to read his email |
| 19:08 | rangi | yeah :( |
| 19:08 | drojf | oops |
| 19:08 | beer? ;) | |
| 19:09 | rangi | heh |
| 19:12 | im gonna have to do a blog post i think | |
| 19:13 | called | |
| 19:13 | 'helping because you want to, vs helping because you want credit' | |
| 19:13 | there are 2 examples of the latter one in todays mail | |
| 19:13 | jcamins | "You don't get credit for not showing up"? |
| 19:15 | drojf | "you don't get credit if you are un-helping" |
| 19:18 | * cait | just eats the popcorn now. |
| 19:18 | rangi | *sigh* |
| 19:18 | 'commercial ils' | |
| 19:18 | * magnuse | thinks cait does the right thing |
| 19:18 | rangi | I'll bite |
| 19:18 | jcamins | I think I missed that message. |
| 19:19 | * cait | offers rangi popcorn |
| 19:19 | jcamins | I think I'm glad of that. |
| 19:20 | drojf | looks like i missed that too |
| 19:21 | magnuse | it's in the questionnaire message |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Oh, yeah, I ignore all requests for survey filling out. |
| 19:22 | oleonard | "Please prove that libraries can really use Koha." Maybe look at a world map? |
| 19:22 | magnuse | map? |
| 19:22 | wahanui | i heard map was new in koha |
| 19:22 | magnuse | koha map? |
| 19:22 | world map? | |
| 19:22 | koha map is at http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha | |
| 19:22 | koha map? | |
| 19:22 | wahanui | koha map is at http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha |
| 19:23 | drojf | i did not even see that message. and it sounds like it will lead to something great like that other "study" |
| 19:24 | mtompset | How do we update data points on the koha map? |
| 19:25 | I can think of two more in the Phlippines which aren't listed. :) | |
| 19:25 | oleonard | You have to register on that site and submit them--not sure if you can do that on behalf of someone else's library. |
| 19:26 | drojf | yes you can, you just have to make up some stuff ;) |
| 19:27 | magnuse | yup |
| 19:28 | oleonard | Scandalous! |
| 19:28 | drojf | i am not sending another mail for the closing of kohacon14 proposals. i will send one when august is over for the whole world. objections? |
| 19:29 | mtompset | when does it close? |
| 19:29 | drojf | end of august |
| 19:30 | mtompset | how many mails did you send? |
| 19:30 | * magnuse | thought it was september 15? |
| 19:30 | drojf | we did not set a utc time. i'll just announce it's argentina or death when august is over for everyone |
| 19:30 | i think 3 | |
| 19:30 | mtompset | (I vaguely recall one) |
| 19:30 | drojf | that was to vote |
| 19:30 | propose untik end of august, vote mid-september | |
| 19:30 | *until | |
| 19:30 | given we will only have one entry we could do that earlier maybe | |
| 19:31 | so they know and can start getting used to being kohacon hosts ;) | |
| 19:31 | magnuse | "submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October" http://meetings.koha-community[…]06.log.html#l-196 |
| 19:31 | drojf | oh |
| 19:31 | really | |
| 19:31 | ouch | |
| 19:31 | thanks, brain | |
| 19:31 | magnuse | #action drojf will send a reminder for people to get in their proposals by September 15 |
| 19:31 | drojf | magnuse++ |
| 19:31 | magnuse | ;-) |
| 19:31 | drojf | funny how that changed in my head |
| 19:31 | magnuse | i took the liberty of adding it to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]11_September_2013 |
| 19:31 | drojf | i was completely sure about it |
| 19:32 | magnuse | hehe |
| 19:32 | drojf | hm i must have mixed it up with doind another anouncement bevore end of last month, or something |
| 19:32 | thanks. that would have been embarassing | |
| 19:33 | mtompset | How much does it cost to host a KohaCon? |
| 19:33 | jcamins | mtompset: depends on how expensive your ideas are. |
| 19:34 | drojf | you mean time, or money? :D |
| 19:34 | mtompset | money, of course. |
| 19:35 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 19:35 | drojf | don't know. you could ask people that already did one. |
| 19:35 | mtompset | Hmmm... that comment made me think of slef. Haven't heard from slef in ages. :) |
| 19:35 | oleonard | Maybe the "date acquired" field *doesn't* need to have a size of "67" ? |
| 19:35 | rambutan | @seen slef |
| 19:35 | huginn` | rambutan: slef was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 59 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <slef> kf speed? |
| 19:36 | drojf | mtompset: see what happens when you host a kohacon ;) |
| 19:37 | mtompset | Hmmm... Probably won't happen, but I'll see what my colleagues think of hosting it in the Philippines. |
| 19:38 | rambutan | mtompset: start the discussion now so that it can happen in 3-5 years? |
| 19:38 | rangi | you need a venue, for a week |
| 19:39 | mtompset | Rangi, that wouldn't be a problem. How many people show up for KohaCon? |
| 19:39 | rangi | big enough for 150+ people, good internet |
| 19:39 | druthb | Preferably in a place *not* the subject of travel-safety alerts. Good air connections are a plus. |
| 19:40 | mtompset | I'll have to ask about how many people can sit in the two conference rooms. |
| 19:40 | drojf | non-adventurous druthb is non-adventurous. |
| 19:40 | druthb | :P not that at all. |
| 19:41 | mtompset | No, I'm thinking Quezon City, Manila. |
| 19:41 | * druthb | just has no desire to be assaulted while on professional travel. |
| 19:41 | druthb | (or worse, arrested for who-I-am, which rules out *most* of the Middle East as a destination for me.) |
| 19:41 | drojf | i keep my being assaultet strictly to my private travel too :D |
| 19:41 | mtompset | Sadly, the guest house only holds probably 50 or people, but there are external hotels. |
| 19:42 | druthb | drojf: There's slightly over 1/8 of the earth's inhabitable land area that I am *not* gonna go to, and that's just one country. |
| 19:43 | Russia, most of the Middle East, most of Africa—no-go for me, regrettably. | |
| 19:43 | drojf | not much koha there either |
| 19:43 | rangi | for me, this years kohacons is probably the most dangerous place it has been |
| 19:43 | rambutan | mtompset: I see there's a koha library in Angeles City, could they host? There's lots of amenities/lodging there. |
| 19:43 | mtompset | I don't know them. |
| 19:43 | But like I said, I'd have to talk with my colleagues. | |
| 19:43 | rangi | mtompset: but yeah it might be worth working on a bid for 2015 |
| 19:44 | rambutan | I'd love to go crawl around the lahar fields again. |
| 19:44 | rangi | unlikely to be able to pull one together for 2014 |
| 19:44 | but id def go to the philipines in 2015 :) | |
| 19:44 | drojf | you are going to europe in 2015 |
| 19:44 | mtompset | I'm not making promises. |
| 19:44 | drojf | :P |
| 19:44 | rangi | hehe, ok 2016 :) |
| 19:46 | mtompset | 3:45pm already?! |
| 19:46 | I better start getting ready to close. | |
| 19:46 | Have a troll-free starting .... now... day, #koha. | |
| 19:47 | drojf | starting day. good idea |
| 19:47 | * drojf | leaves for beer and breaking bad |
| 19:47 | rangi | yay, i can fill in the survey, cos the guy answered me |
| 19:47 | drojf | :) |
| 19:55 | oleonard | Anyone know why PrepareItemrecordDisplay in Items.pm creates some item subfield entry fields with a size of 50 and some with a size of 67? |
| 19:56 | * rangi | does the school run |
| 19:56 | rangi | bbl |
| 19:58 | cait | oleonard: nope. |
| 19:59 | bag | that seems like odd choices 50 and 67? |
| 19:59 | 50 is too even and 67 is too odd | |
| 20:00 | oleonard | I suspect one or both were chosen because they fit nicely on someone's screen :P |
| 20:00 | This is one of the hazards of building HTML in a PM | |
| 20:01 | cait | PM? |
| 20:01 | oh | |
| 20:05 | oleonard | Sorry, I didn't mean Private Message :) |
| 20:05 | * oleonard | might be building HTML in all kinds of private messages but it's private |
| 20:06 | cait | i figured it out in the end :) |
| 20:06 | bit slow today | |
| 20:06 | oleonard: yeah, biulding html in perl doesn't sound right | |
| 20:11 | oleonard | Actually building the HTML in Items.pm may not be strictly necessary, but I don't think that's a task for 5 minutes before quitting time |
| 20:14 | cait | nope |
| 20:14 | you should enjoy your evening :) | |
| 20:14 | oleonard | Oh, before I forget... |
| 20:14 | cait++ # for weekend QA'ing | |
| 20:14 | cait | oh thx |
| 20:14 | oleonard | See you all tomorrow |
| 20:17 | kathryn | hi everyone :) |
| 20:17 | jcamins | kelly_sundin++ |
| 20:24 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 20:35 | eythian joined #koha | |
| 20:36 | * kathryn | waves at eythian |
| 20:37 | eythian | oh hi. What have I missed? Is it warm there yet? |
| 20:37 | kathryn | there have been some MEAN tumbelweeds! |
| 20:38 | also some sunbeams, not overly warm ones :) | |
| 20:38 | eythian | @later tell tcohen remind me when I'm no longer on holiday, but the essence is that you just put the file in anyway. |
| 20:38 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:38 | jcamins | My importer process is using 370MB/RAM. It's only a 13MB file. |
| 20:39 | eythian | sounds mediocre really. I might just stay here, though I'm missing normal language a little... |
| 20:39 | drojf | you mean german? |
| 20:40 | kathryn | eythian: no promises on the latter |
| 20:40 | eythian | No. No I don't :) |
| 20:40 | heh | |
| 20:41 | @later tell drojf test passed | |
| 20:41 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:41 | drojf | heh |
| 20:41 | it actually failed | |
| 20:41 | eythian | oh |
| 20:41 | E for effort then. | |
| 20:41 | drojf | i wanted wahanui to do an auto responder for you |
| 20:42 | eythian | ah |
| 20:42 | cait | hey eythian :) |
| 20:42 | eythian | hi cait |
| 20:42 | wahanui: germs | |
| 20:42 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 20:42 | cait | for not liking moon language you spent quite a lot of time in moon speaking countries |
| 20:43 | eythian | it does seem that way. |
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| 22:12 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 22:12 | * jcamins | plays bop-the-segfault. |
| 22:21 | rangi | heh |
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| 22:26 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 22:26 | * mtompset | whistles hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to work we go. |
| 22:27 | bag | oh interesting title - but I haven't read the article --> The Ben Affleck Batman Backlash Sounds A Lot Like What You Said About Heath Ledger As The Joker |
| 22:28 | druthb | o/ |
| 22:29 | jcamins, mtompset, cait...during all the back and forth today, would it have been out of line for me to post this image? https://docs.google.com/file/d[…]4kZ21aYkc0S1lpcXc | |
| 22:29 | cait | pretty violent |
| 22:29 | druthb | :P |
| 22:29 | mtompset | Not if you are the pink girl. :P |
| 22:31 | druthb | :P |
| 22:31 | That turned up in my RSS feed on another topic altogether. | |
| 22:31 | along with https://docs.google.com/file/d[…]4kcGtqVmxsMmRhRHc | |
| 22:32 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 22:34 | sings, "la la la la la la, la la la la laaaaaa" | |
| 22:34 | waits for his "git pull". | |
| 22:34 | druthb | https://docs.google.com/file/d[…]4kTTN2UHlfVkZXN3M #Dame Maggie does *not* approve. |
| 22:39 | mtompset | okay, if you wanted to install Koha from scratch, would you already have your OS installed and then download the tar.gz for the instructions, or would you download the tar.gz, get the instructions, and then follow them? Should the instructions assume either? |
| 22:40 | jcamins | mtompset: none of the above. |
| 22:40 | rambutan | Install OS && download tar.gz and read instructions |
| 22:41 | jcamins | You would have Windows, you would find the oldest, most out-of-date instructions you could, and then proceed to get angry about the fact that the instructions assume Linux when you have Windows. |
| 22:41 | Otherwise, assume the operating system is installed. | |
| 22:41 | If someone needs help installing Debian, that person should ask Debian experts. | |
| 22:41 | rambutan | jcamins et al: is smoked paprika something I should expect to find in the store? I'm looking at an Indian eggplant recipe. |
| 22:42 | jcamins | rambutan: definitely. |
| 22:42 | drojf | you would find some nice internet information source about installing koha 2.2 on windows |
| 22:42 | rambutan | in a regular (not speciality) grocery store? |
| 22:42 | jcamins | If it's a suburban supermarket, yeah. |
| 22:43 | Shop Rite, Food Lion, etc., would have. | |
| 22:43 | The little corner grocery store probably would not. | |
| 22:44 | mtompset | drojf: 2.2.9 :P |
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| 22:59 | mtompset | Okay, next question on the documentation in the koha source files. Some people are rather picky about knowing details, like "How should I answer all the questions to 'perl Makefile.PL'?" |
| 22:59 | Is the creation of INSTALL.dev and INSTALL.standard for just those sections, okay? | |
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| 23:57 | * mtompset | smiles, "I got a thank you. YAY!" |
| 23:57 | mtompset | I like it when someone comes back and says thank you. |
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