IRC log for #koha, 2013-08-03

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00:36 tcohen night #koha
06:42 rangi this ask idea site is interesting, but who do they propose is going to do the answering?
06:43 magnuse rangi: you ;-)
06:43 rangi heh, unlikely :)
06:44 i dont have time to monitor yet another thing :)
06:44 * magnuse suspected as much :-)
06:44 rangi i suspect it will end up a wasteland of unanswered questions
06:44 or a bunch of wrongly answered questions
06:45 like
06:45 sudo rebuild_zebra.pl
06:45 :)
06:46 but i might be wrong, they should try it and see, but not with a .koha-community.org until it was proved useful
06:46 magnuse good idea
06:46 gmcharlt if it a builds an FAQ, great
06:47 if it splits the discuss or results in folks say "no, dummy, ask your question _here_", not so much
06:50 rangi: I'd disagree with you on one point -- if the experiment gets made (and I think it should be explicitly done, if it all, only as an experiment), it ought to be on a koha-community.org subdomain
06:51 first, to encourage people to think of k-c.org as the place to go or jump off from for help
06:52 second, based on the experience with the libraries stackexchange, that hosting it elsewhere is all but guaranteed to ensure that it will be a wasteland
07:01 rangi im more of the, i dont want a pile of bad answers to be associated with koha-community.org
07:02 because i think its 90% chance of being bad and non existant answers
07:02 if i thought it might work, id want it associated
07:06 gmcharlt that almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, though
07:07 mind you, I'm not volunteering to set one up
07:08 rangi yep
07:09 gmcharlt I'm not sure that there's any basis to this other than a gut feeling, but I feel like stackexchange-like sites just about  need a bigger pool of folks willing to answer quesitions to be useful than a mailing list does
07:09 rangi exactly
07:09 much bigger
07:10 without people spending a lot of time rating answers too
07:10 you end up with a lot of searchable bad advice
07:10 the only reason stackexchange is useful
07:11 is because bad answers get rated down
07:11 gmcharlt and the occassional good-but-non-consensus answer, no doubt
07:11 rangi ye
07:11 p
07:13 gmcharlt on the other hand, other than making things more bulletproof (which, of course, would be a Good Thing), there's got to be a better way to deal with the perennial questions other than variations on RTFM
07:13 rangi yep
07:13 gmcharlt which tends to be a common failure mode of a lot of experienced folks on the mailing lists
07:14 the other common one being simply not responding to those at all
07:14 rangi i feel like 90% of the questions
07:15 should be directed to http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxh[…]epermissions.html
07:15 seriously
07:16 if you dont understand file permissions and/or cron .. don't run a server
07:16 helping them is actually not helping them
07:16 unless you are willing to spend a couple of weeks teaching them the basics of a posix system
07:17 gmcharlt but I enjoy that!  also, I love that the walls in my room are so cushiony!
07:17 rangi becaus otherwsie be it 1 week, 1 month, or 1 year from now, they will either be pwnd, have a disk die, or trashed their system in some other way
07:18 its a problem i dont have a good solution to
07:19 LUGs seem to have disappeared
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07:23 gmcharlt the irony of all this is that Koha has never been easier to install
07:23 heh
07:23 maybe that's the problem
07:23 :)
07:24 anyway, time to wander off to bed
07:32 rangi i think thats part of it, the koha barrier is really low, which means inexperienced users are trying it :)
07:32 sleep well
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09:42 cait good morning #koha
10:45 @wunder Konstanz
10:45 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.0°C (12:40 PM CEST on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
12:24 jcamins What should I make for breakfast that involves lychee?
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12:25 cait hm
12:25 that's a hard one
12:25 why not just eat them fresh together with some toast?
12:25 jcamins No bread for toast.
12:25 Oh, and one additional requirement:
12:26 I don't want to have to have the oven on for more than a half hour.
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15:05 jcamins cait: I made lychee crumble.
15:05 I highly recommend it.
15:13 cait :)
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18:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #170 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:30 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:30 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 24.7°C (8:30 PM CEST on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
18:30 cait @wunder Reutlingen
18:30 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 27.0°C (8:30 PM CEST on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
18:36 druthb @wunder 77063
18:36 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 35.3°C (1:35 PM CDT on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
18:37 cait !
18:40 druthb yep.  pretty toasty out here.
18:47 cait @quote random
18:47 huginn` cait: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009)
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18:47 druthb drojf!
18:48 drojf druthb! :)
18:48 #koha!
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18:53 cait drojf!
18:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #170: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/170/
18:54 * Owen Leonard: Bug 10510 - OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon
18:54 * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10029 - CAS authentication fails in OPAC reserve
18:54 * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10428: undefined check in add additem.pl
18:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10510 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon
18:54 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10346 - "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items"
18:54 * Marc Veron: Bug 5894: Display all titles when confirming copy of items from cart to list
18:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10029 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , CAS authentication fails in OPAC reserve
18:54 drojf cait!
18:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10428 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , undefined check in add additem.pl
18:54 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10346 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items"
18:54 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5894 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , Adding multiple items from a cart to a list shows only the first title
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19:07 cait @wunder Reutlingen
19:07 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 26.6°C (9:07 PM CEST on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
19:09 tcohen hi cait
19:09 cait hi tcohen :)
19:12 bgkriegel hi all
19:13 cait: after 9902, we need 10088?
19:25 cait bgkriegel: hm i had looked at rangi's last comment
19:25 and assumed we didn't
19:25 but maybe i was wrong
19:26 bgkriegel++
19:27 bgkriegel I think that if we put 9902 then the problem from 10088 arises
19:27 cait that might be
19:27 hm
19:27 i will test if 10088 applies
19:27 bgkriegel it applies
19:28 cait hm
19:28 it fixes staged ordering?
19:29 bgkriegel i'm trying to test it
19:30 cait me too
19:33 bug 10088
19:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10088 critical, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, software error when filling a basket with staged record
19:33 cait bgkriegel: seems ok to me
19:33 with the patch applied
19:34 m acqcreateitem was not set for creating items
19:36 bgkriegel: yes, we need 10088 - i can reproduce the perl error
19:37 bgkriegel++
19:43 bgkriegel cait++
19:43 ok,  move on
20:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #171 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:14 cait hm someon around who could test somethin in master for me?
20:15 i have the problem that for my items the homebranch/holdingbranch/branch information does no longer show in the opac detail page
20:16 bgkriegel Location?
20:16 wahanui i guess Location is /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml
20:18 cait bgkriegel: the location column is always empty in my database
20:18 it's rather puzzling, the marc view shows the branches nicely
20:19 bgkriegel strange, I can see it http://snag.gy/q8v2R.jpg
20:20 cait i wonder if one of the various related prefs is doing it
20:21 i have the separate tab display activated
20:21 bgkriegel well, just trying to change one of them... and got an error
20:21 that one
20:21 wahanui i guess that one is down more often than up
20:22 cait oh?
20:23 what's the error?
20:24 bgkriegel a template error when saving OpacSeparateHoldings
20:24 OpacSeparateHoldingsBranch
20:25 changing to separate/don't separete
20:25 cait ah
20:25 hm maybe that was the syspref editor? can you paste?
20:25 bgkriegel yes
20:26 paste?
20:26 wahanui i think paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
20:26 bgkriegel http://paste.koha-community.org/155
20:28 cait bgkriegel: the logs don't show anything suspicious - but my branches are stll not showing up :(
20:28 bgkriegel: i think what you have is a bug in the syspref eidtor maybe
20:28 it looks familiar
20:29 bgkriegel you can change that syspref?
20:29 cait ye
20:29 ss
20:29 but no change on the detail page
20:30 it shouldn't make a difference... but are you using xslt?
20:30 bgkriegel yes
20:32 cait hmm i have an idea
20:32 singlebranchmode was activated
20:32 phew
20:32 thx bgkriegel for testing
20:33 bgkriegel no problem :)
20:33 cait got ma panicking a bit :)
20:34 bgkriegel++
20:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #171: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/171/
20:55 * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9113: fix handling of certain characters by item batch modification tool
20:55 * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9533: batch item modification form now shows default field values only by request
20:55 * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9902 - item subfields not populating
20:55 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10088: FIX adding an order from a staged file.
20:55 * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10384: fall back to normal authentication if LDAP server is not available
20:55 * Sonia LEMAIRE: Bug 9519: fix code for Italian language search limiter
20:55 * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9519: DBRev 3.10.09.001
20:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9113 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , batch modification removes +
20:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9533 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , batch item modification should ignore defaults
20:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , item subfields not populating
20:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10088 critical, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, software error when filling a basket with staged record
20:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10384 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when LDAP connexion fails
20:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9519 trivial, P5 - low, ---, sonia.lemaire, Pushed to Stable , Wrong language code for Italian in the advanced search language limitations
21:03 cait hm....
21:03 * cait wonders if we could get some more opinions on 9811
21:03 cait bug 9811
21:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patrons search improvements
21:03 * cait leaves that for the logs and the curious :)
21:03 bgkriegel hehe
21:03 night cait
21:20 bye
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