IRC log for #koha, 2013-07-29

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00:17 BobB good morning all
00:18 has anyone ever made ccode (952$8) repeatable?
00:18 a client wants to do that but I'm not sure what consequences there might be
00:19 dcook Morning, BobB
00:19 Hmm
00:19 BobB Hi David
00:19 dcook I've never done that, and I imagine it wouldn't work
00:19 I imagine just the first 952$8 would be copied into the DB
00:19 BobB Could mess up statistics, at least
00:20 dcook Hmm
00:20 BobB yes.  So the second could overwrite it, perhaps?
00:21 dcook I doubt it. I'd have to look at the import scripts, but I imagine only the first would be put into the items table.
00:21 All others would probably just be dropped on import.
00:21 But that's just a theory. I haven't looked at importing in a couple months.
00:21 wizzyrea might be stored in the marcxml?
00:21 what problem are they trying to solve?
00:21 dcook wizzyrea: Initially, but the marcxml 952s are built up from the items table once they're in the system
00:21 BobB There are no repeatable fields in Items.  I think its best to keep it that way.
00:21 rangi i wish people understood mailing lists
00:22 BobB :)
00:22 dcook BobB: Probably. But yeah, like Liz said, what's the problem?
00:22 wizzyrea oops
00:22 dcook rangi: Oh?
00:22 rangi you'll see it
00:22 BobB Personally I don't know why you'd want it in two collections.  I would move it from one to the other and back again when needed.
00:22 wizzyrea someone told a website to email everyone in their google account
00:23 dcook Oh my...
00:23 * dcook takes a look
00:23 wizzyrea what's their use case?
00:23 BobB oh
00:23 dcook Hmm, must not have made it to the digest yet
00:23 wizzyrea no, it won't be in the digest yet.
00:23 * dcook is wishing he hadn't left his wedding rings on the kitchen counter.
00:24 dcook My fingers feel naked now...
00:24 BobB Better get home before your wife!  :)
00:24 dcook hehe
00:24 I'm going out tonight! Eeep!
00:24 I did all the chores last night though (including hers), so maybe she'll forgive me ;)
00:24 BobB dash home at lunchtime?
00:25 dcook Infeasible but not impossible...
00:25 BobB 10 brownie points earned and 15 given up, I reckon
00:26 dcook Perhaps.
00:27 rangi corollary to the people don't understand mailings, online petitions do nothing
00:27 dcook rangi: Define nothing
00:27 rangi its the equivalent to saying 'I don't actually care about this, but want to look like i do'
00:27 jcamins dcook: "annoy everyone"
00:28 wizzyrea oh there's a funny phrase about that
00:28 dcook I suppose it depends on the petition
00:28 wizzyrea slacktivism.
00:28 dcook Admittedly, most annoy me :p
00:28 But I think sometimes it can help people psychologically to at least "feel" like they're not the only one who thinks about a topic
00:29 While they might not accomplish their set out goal, I think they do help contribute to a sense of solidarity (in some cases), and that's something.
00:29 That said, I have a specific case in mind, so that might be an edge case.
01:10 IE--
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01:23 dcook o/ khall
01:32 Apparently, the ajax for uploading local images doesn't work so hot in IE9...
01:32 Although it worked in IE8
01:32 IE--
01:32 jcamins dcook: weird.
01:32 dcook To be fair to Microsoft, I think they might've fixed whatever wasn't working in IE8
01:33 So workarounds for IE8 don't work anymore with IE9
01:33 But that's just a hypothesis
01:33 jcamins Sounds reasonable.
01:35 wizzyrea "doesn't work so hot" means "doesn't work?"
01:36 or "partially doesn't work"
01:36 dcook Throws a javascript error and utterly fails
01:36 jcamins wizzyrea: I read "causes the web browser to crash."
01:36 dcook I suppose I like to understate things :p
01:36 wizzyrea neat!
01:36 dcook Yeah!
01:37 jcamins dcook: look up... xhmlhttprequest ie 9.
01:38 Or just replace it with jQuery.
01:39 dcook I'm thinking that might be an idea
01:39 As jQuery tends to do its own checking of browsers and versions, me thinks
01:39 * dcook doublechecks master on this one
01:41 dcook Oh my...
01:41 Wait, that might still be our script..
01:43 Looks like a jQuery plugin
01:44 Maybe one we wrote though..
01:44 :S
02:14 Huzzah...think I figured it out
02:14 Not elegant but doable
02:26 Interesting...
02:26 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:26 dcook I take it "ajaxfileupload.js" is used for marc imports as well
02:27 jcamins Probably.
02:27 dcook I think that was its original purpose
02:27 * dcook enjoys git blame :)
02:29 dcook Although it doesn't help explain why the ActiveXObject is having its src property set in the JS..
02:29 That's not what I meant but blah
02:30 jcamins dcook: huh?
02:30 dcook Sorry, babbling :p
02:30 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ajaxfileupload" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/139
02:30 dcook I added in that try/catch so that it'll work in IE9
02:31 Not sure what the io.src is doing though..
02:31 jcamins dcook: that's just wrong.
02:31 That'll fail in IE7 too.
02:31 dcook It seems to work in both
02:31 Emulated IE7 at least
02:31 * dcook checks that again
02:32 dcook Yep, works in emulated IE7
02:32 And IE9
02:33 jcamins I was just reading about how to create iframes in IE7, actually, and they use a special call.
02:33 Sorry, to clarify, the *try* will fail in IE7.
02:33 The catch will work.
02:33 dcook If that's the case though, the upload wouldn't work
02:34 jcamins Hmm.
02:34 dcook Hmm, or maybe I'm full of crap
02:35 Well, not full
02:35 The upload will work with the catch, but it also opens up a new tab that displays...
02:35 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ie7 new tab" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/140
02:36 wizzyrea ...you want to support IE7 in the staff client?
02:36 SEVEN?!
02:36 jcamins wizzyrea: no, I'm just objecting that it's crappy code.
02:36 dcook wizzyrea: I don't "want" to :p
02:36 And actually
02:36 The current code woorks in IE7
02:36 It doesn't in IE9
02:36 wizzyrea well yes, it's crappy and needs to be fixed
02:37 dcook So far, the try/catch is the only reliable-ish idea I have for making this work
02:37 jcamins I can't figure out why it works in IE7, because createElement([html]) is supposed to only work in IE8 according to the documentation I was reading the other day.
02:38 It was an extension to the DOM standard that they introduced and then realized immediately was a terribly bad idea, I think.
02:38 dcook Hmm
02:38 The funny thing is that createElement('iframe') seems to work in emulated IE8
02:39 I'm going to go check this out on an actual IE8 install
02:39 jcamins dcook: yeah, createElement('iframe') should work properly since that's actually correct.
02:40 dcook I wonder then why gmcharlt added the ActiveXObject check and createElement([html]) bit at all then
02:40 What's the special call that IE7 is supposed to use according to that documentation, jcamins?
02:40 jcamins dcook: same createElement.
02:40 It's the ActiveX that is different.
02:42 dcook I'm not sure I follow
02:42 createElement([html]) certainly works in actual IE8
02:42 jcamins Interesting.
02:42 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:42 dcook But fails miserably in IE9
02:43 Which would use the proper createElement('iframe')
02:44 jcamins I guess the documentation was wrong.
02:44 dcook Or the emulated version isn't right
02:44 jcamins Nah, probably incorrect documentation.
02:45 dcook In that case, what do you think of the try/catch solution?
02:45 jcamins I would prefer that you change the if() to a try.
02:45 dcook Which if?
02:45 jcamins if(window.ActiveXObject)
02:46 dcook Why's that?
02:46 jcamins Because IE detection doesn't work.
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02:46 jcamins IE9 doesn't removed that weird behavior.
02:46 It should be in the else.
02:47 dcook ?
02:47 jcamins I mean, IE9 should be executing the code in the else.
02:47 dcook Agreed
02:47 Oh...I think I follow
02:47 jcamins Like this...
02:47 dcook Remove the try/catch I have
02:47 And put it higher up?
02:49 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "dcook: like so" (30 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/141
02:49 dcook Mmm, that's what I was thinking you meant
02:49 jcamins Though obviously you'll need to confirm IE9 doesn't require any of that weird io.src stuff.
02:49 dcook Yeah, that was my next step (besides eliminating code duplication)
02:54 Hmm, looking all right.
02:54 I suppose I'll get a call if it doesn't work
02:54 jcamins++
03:13 @karma jcamins
03:13 huginn` dcook: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 625 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 623.
03:13 dcook Only 41 to go...
03:13 Well, 43, I guess
03:15 jcamins 43 patches left to rebase?
03:15 Nothing! You started with how many?
03:16 dcook I meant your karma :p
03:16 As for patches...I don't want to talk about it :p
03:17 jcamins @karma
03:17 huginn` jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (861), "oleonard" (738), and "jcamins" (623).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-103).  You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2577.
03:17 dcook Actually, it's not too bad
03:17 jcamins What happens in 43?
03:17 Oh, right.
03:17 dcook Probably nothing, but it was something to say.
03:17 wizzyrea @karma
03:17 huginn` wizzyrea: Highest karma: "rangi" (861), "oleonard" (738), and "jcamins" (623).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-103).  You (wizzyrea) are ranked 6 out of 2577.
03:18 dcook ie--
03:18 jcamins Took me a while, because I was looking at the 625.
03:18 dcook I'm sure ie can make it to lowest...
03:18 jcamins ie--
03:18 wizzyrea ie--
03:18 lol
03:19 dcook hehe
03:22 jcamins Closer.
03:24 dcook Little by little
03:26 All right, I think I need food in me
03:26 bbiab
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04:16 quoc Hi everyone
04:16 wizzyrea hallo
04:17 quoc yes, i just wanna ask some one
04:17 about bug 9541 multi-opac  feature
04:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9541 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Opac-user doesn't load correct CSS for multiple branches
04:19 quoc yes, i was pushed to new version Koha, but how does it work? How can i get multiple Opac for each branch library?
04:19 it was pushed to new version Koha, but how does it work? How can i get multiple Opac for each branch library?
04:26 Okie, thanks!
05:05 dcook papa++
05:05 You're a machine, Srdjan ;)
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05:34 papa heh
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05:38 dcook I changed that ampersand entity back to the &
05:38 Thanks for the tip, papa :)
05:39 papa no worries
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05:40 dcook hey ya cait :)
05:43 cait good morning dcook
05:44 well... good time of your day
05:45 dcook Afternoon :)
05:45 But it's sunny so it feels a bit like morning?
05:45 cait :)
05:53 dcook Hey cait, quick question for you..
05:53 cait hm? :)
05:54 dcook I did a Git Blame for the MARC21 intranet detail xslt and it looks like you did a lot of the code for the 773 stuff
05:54 Like "Show analytics", "Show volumes", and something about Sets
05:54 Do you know why the link for "Show volumes" would be "/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=ti,phr:"?
05:57 Oh wait, it looks like rangi put that bit in
06:14 magnuse kia ora #koha! :-)
06:17 dcook hey ya magnuse
06:17 * dcook tried to remember some Norwegian but failed miserably in his mind
06:18 dcook Not guten morgen, but close?
06:19 magnuse sort of
06:19 "god morgen" would do it :-)
06:19 yeah, guess that is pretty close, when i look at it
06:20 dcook I guess I'll just have to say good morning more often ;)
06:20 Or god morgen rather :p
06:20 cait guten morgen is german :)
06:20 dcook: i think ti,phr shoudl be the fallback
06:21 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:21 cait looking for the title of the serial/host in 245 from the analytic
06:21 when you are not using UseControlNumber or using Easyanalytics (because those don't work together)
06:22 dcook cait: I knew that it was German, but I didn't want to be offensive if it was possible that i might be offensive
06:22 * dcook might be Canadian...
06:23 cait ?
06:23 dcook Canadian = trying not to offend anyone :p
06:23 cait most of all you are confusing to me this morning :)
06:23 Canadian or not :)
06:23 dcook Fair enough :p
06:23 I'm confused as well about the fallback
06:23 It seems to me that a record for a journal should have a LEADER position 19 of "a" for set
06:24 But that would mean the link for "Show volumes" would be the title of that journal record
06:24 So it would just show itself :S
06:25 cait hm no
06:25 analytics are different than sets
06:26 sets are really separate items
06:26 analytics are within something
06:26 at least for me :)
06:26 i think the a is not used  for serials
06:26 it would break our display if you changed that :(
06:28 dcook Indeed it would :/
06:28 I imagine that you are correct
06:28 I find the online info to be quite...terse
06:29 Actually, I'm not sure that is right..
06:29 * magnuse has found that cait is quite often correct ;-)
06:29 cait lol
06:29 not so much recently i am afraid
06:29 dcook When I look at some RDA examples, they have LDR 19 set to "a" for things like short story collections
06:29 cait dcook: interesting, but not sure it's rigt still... and if our union catalog records don't do that... you'd still be breaking our workflow
06:29 dcook This is on the rdatoolkit website :p
06:30 cait i can try and ask my coworker bout it
06:30 we use set for multi volume works
06:30 because in germany we have a parent record for those
06:30 dcook I think that's also correct
06:30 cait and a separate record for each volume
06:30 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bdleader.html
06:30 cait but we don't do it for other records afaik
06:30 dcook It can be "a" for the "set" record then "b" or "c" for the "part" record
06:30 cait a - Set                         Record is for a set consisting of multiple items.
06:31 i think items here means 'physical' items
06:31 at least i think that meaning was intended
06:31 dcook That's certainly how I would interpret it
06:31 Although I'm not sure that's the case :S
06:32 If you look at older websites, position 19 used to be..."Linked Record Requirement" I think
06:32 If it had a "r", it meant there was a linking 7xx field
06:32 But it was redefined in 2007
06:32 cait i think the set things were added on request of DNB
06:32 but not sure
06:32 we got all those hierarchies in our data here
06:32 dcook I think I saw a dnb wiki..
06:33 Regardless of right or wrong, I"m curious about your workflow
06:33 So you have a parent record, which would show "Show volumes"
06:33 cait just what i told you - sets are for mulit volume stuff mostly
06:33 yep
06:33 and then you click on it
06:33 and you get the records for the volumes
06:33 dcook So the other volumes have the same title or 001?
06:33 cait and we lnk it all together using $w subfields and 001
06:33 the title is a fallback
06:34 dcook Ok, regardless of the title then
06:34 cait for the libraries using the union catalog we are using 001
06:34 and $w
06:34 i build the fallbacks mainly for other libraries
06:34 dcook Hmm
06:35 So does...773$w map to...the "rcn" index?
06:35 And then "not+(bib-level:a+or+bib-level:b)" filters out the parent record?
06:35 Sorry, I just confused myself, lol
06:36 Yeah...that must be how it works
06:37 Yep..."Record-control-number" 773$w
06:38 And "bib-level" contains the LDR 7 position..
06:38 Crafty, cait! I like it!
06:38 I think that fallback should use "q=Host-item:" like analytics though
06:39 Thanks for explaining though :)
06:42 cait :)
06:42 maybe
06:42 i don't often see that happen, so it might have been missed
06:42 and it's not me
06:42 just trying to make koha work with the data i have and it's far from perfect
06:43 dcook I think your workflow should work pretty well :)
06:43 I think the fallback might have issues, but I think the onus to alter that is on the person using the fallback
06:43 As for LDR 19...who knows?
06:44 cait stopped raining - i better run looking at the rain prediction
06:44 dcook Jcamins probably but I hope he's asleep by now
06:44 cait bbiab
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06:44 dcook cya
06:45 @later tell cait I think I found proof that you're right about LDR 19! http://access.rdatoolkit.org/d[…]nt.php?id=jscmap1
06:45 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
06:46 dcook If only the rdatoolkit were publicly accessible in its entirety..
06:57 Actually, that rdatoolkit link isn't half bad...
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06:57 dcook It maps the RDA (aka AACR3) rules to MARC21 fields
06:57 gaetan_B hello
06:57 dcook Might be useful for those who aren't that familiar with RDA/AACR2 cataloguing
06:57 salut gaetan_B :)
06:58 magnuse @wunder boo
06:58 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 21.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
06:58 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:58 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:58 magnuse hah!
06:58 :-)
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07:07 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
07:07 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (5:00 PM EST on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:07 * dcook looks outside
07:07 dcook Maybe that's true
07:07 I'm rather warm in my winter jacket at the moment indoors :p
07:14 night #koha
07:14 * dcook strolls out rather happy to get the definitive word on position 19 of the MARC21 leader :p
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07:25 kf good morning #koha
07:27 magnuse guten morgen kf
07:27 @wunder konstanz
07:27 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:25 AM CEST on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
07:27 kf rain
07:27 magnuse @wunder boo
07:27 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 21.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
07:27 kf fits my mood
07:27 magnuse no rain here yet
07:27 but plenty to come
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07:30 christophe_c hello #koha
07:30 kf hi christophe_c
07:30 @wunder Marseille
07:30 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:31 magnuse same temp in marseille and here!
07:32 christophe_c bonjour kf ;-)
07:40 kf drojf++
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08:02 magnuse what's this testopia thing i keep seeing in connection with bugzilla?
08:04 kf some new plugin rangi and gmcharlt wanted to try
08:04 not sure what it does yet
08:05 magnuse cool
08:05 "Testopia is a full featured test case management extension for Bugzilla." does not make me much wiser, i'm afraid...
08:06 guess they will tell us all about when they have figured out how to use it, then ;-)
08:07 * kf translates
08:08 * magnuse too
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08:24 magnuse bonjour kenza
08:25 kenza bonjour ! :)
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08:34 kf hi kenza :)
08:34 and kenza++ for your unit test patches :)
08:35 magnuse yeah kenza++
08:35 kenza thank you !
08:35 wizzyrea yay kenza :)
08:35 * kf ponders "Ethnic bowed strings"
08:35 magnuse huh?
08:36 kf yeah
08:37 wizzyrea sounds like a drama :P
08:38 kf translation drama ;)
08:38 * magnuse wonders why they need pondering
08:38 kf guitar family
08:38 magnuse vihuela?
08:39 kf lute family
08:39 magnuse guitars are not normally bowed, though?
08:39 kf heh
08:39 i think those don't go together
08:39 unimarc plugins are now translatable
08:39 i think it stems from there
08:39 magnuse ah
08:40 is reminded of a bug, let's see
08:41 bug 7939
08:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects
08:41 kf true
08:43 Viola d'amore
08:43 wizzyrea viola of love?
08:44 kf nice eh? :)
08:44 wizzyrea oui, c'est bot
08:44 bon*
08:44 * wizzyrea giggles, c'est bot.
08:44 kf :)
08:44 * wizzyrea remembers thismuch french.
08:45 wizzyrea which is not a lot
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08:47 kf more than me :)
08:48 hi drojf
08:50 @wunder Konstanz
08:50 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.3°C (10:50 AM CEST on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
08:52 kf drojf: you are almost too  late for the translation fun
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09:45 yipso How to convert USMARC to MARC21?
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09:53 bigbrovar Hi guys am running koha 3.12.00.000 on debian squeeze. however I can't seem get isbn match using the stage marc for import tool.
09:54 doing that would always result in 0 match found even if I upload from a mrc file which has been previously uploaded
10:02 eythian hi
10:12 kf bigbrovar: is your data indexed? zebrasrv running? can you search in teh opac for your previously imported records?
10:23 bigbrovar kf: yes I did index the data and I can search the records.
10:25 kf did you check your matching rule is correct and was applied staging the records?
10:33 bigbrovar kf: yes I did.. I double checked. I am about to try again .. I most be doing something wrong. Just have to figure out what
10:37 kf bigbrovar: looking at our 3.12 and matching on 001/Control-number that works alright
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11:05 bigbrovar kf: I was indeed doing something wrong. Figured it our now.
11:06 eythian now you have to tell us what it was.
11:07 bigbrovar The other issue I am having now is Item Type seems to be missing amount holding information even though 952$y was set
11:09 eythian: I forgot to run an index immediately I imported the biblio records.. before importing the bibblio items
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11:09 eythian that'll do it.
11:11 bigbrovar eythian: any idea what I need to do to make the holding information in opac display item type? I have already set 952$y to bk which corresponds to the item type for books
11:11 eythian I actually thought it did that by default.
11:12 maybe there's a syspref for it, I'm not sure.
11:12 wizzyrea does it show up in the staff client
11:12 ?
11:18 bigbrovar wizzyrea: It doesn't
11:19 wizzyrea and otherwise you see items on your records?
11:19 bigbrovar wizzyrea: yes I do see items
11:20 wizzyrea do you have the authorised values set up, or did you install the default ones for itype?
11:21 I mean the item types in Adminsitration, they're not authorised values
11:24 my thinking being that if your imported code and the code in item types don't match, it won't know what to show.
11:24 that might include case, I'm not sure.
11:24 anyway, I'm going to bed :P
11:26 bigbrovar wizzyrea: thanks
11:27 I did not know I had to setup itemtype authorized values
11:28 eythian bigbrovar: you need to set up item types
11:28 <wizzyrea> I mean the item types in Adminsitration, they're not authorised values
11:32 bigbrovar eythian: I have item types (i.e Home --> Admin --> Item type ) setup
11:33 the default code for book item type is bk
11:33 eythian that's what wizzyrea was referring to
11:34 bigbrovar oh so I have to set up a different athorized value for item types?
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11:47 kf bigbrovar: no, not an authorised value
11:47 it's in administration - itemtypes
11:47 and the case has to match
11:47 else it won't work
11:47 BK and bk are different things to Koha
11:48 bigbrovar kf: got all that checked
11:48 kf hm can you describe the problem again?
11:49 bigbrovar so item type information is missing from holding information in both staff and opac client
11:51 kf: here is a screenshot http://imgur.com/7Raxc1z
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12:02 kf coudl you copy an example 952 into paste?
12:02 paste?
12:02 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org
12:03 kf bigbrovar: i think you have a mismatch between the code in your administration and in the 952
12:03 * magnuse wanders off
12:04 bigbrovar ok.. I will copy it from my marc ...
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12:07 bigbrovar kf: http://paste.koha-community.org/142
12:08 kf you have a space before the BK
12:08 that woudl totally do it
12:08 bigbrovar hmmm but how could that be? and how can I corrent that from marc records
12:08 kf i don't know how you generated the records
12:08 bigbrovar most have been from when generating from marcedit
12:08 kf if you can't reimport
12:09 you can change it in your items table with sql and do a complete reindex
12:09 i assumeyou are using a newer version of koha
12:09 bigbrovar yes 3.13
12:09 3.12*
12:09 kf then it shoudl beok
12:10 how many items is it?
12:10 bigbrovar kf: anyway, thanks I will have a look now that I see the problem
12:10 kf you could also use the batch item edit tool
12:10 bigbrovar kf: not much (for now) less than 800.. and yes I would use batch item edit
12:10 kf yes, that will be easiest then
12:10 and it will reindex autimatically:)
12:11 bigbrovar just wondering how marcedit got it wrong.. must have been when I had to join all the holding tags during my delimited text mapping
12:12 kf maybe
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12:14 ebegin hello everyone !
12:14 a quick question about git... it seems simple, but there is something I don't understand
12:16 I just did a git clone --mirror git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git in a local dir called koha-community
12:16 jcamins Why --mirror? What are you trying to accomplish?
12:17 ebegin A bare repository that will update
12:17 jcamins Okay.
12:19 ebegin when i do a git log, the last entry I get from that clone is from April 26th.
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12:19 jcamins Even though you just cloned it?
12:19 ebegin yep, I did it few minutes ago
12:20 jcamins Very odd. I can't explain it.
12:20 ebegin Weird, isn't it
12:20 And looking at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb, the last entry seams to be 3 days ago
12:20 jcamins And you did look at the log of master or another branch that is updated regularly, right?
12:21 ebegin it's a bare repo, so there is no branches
12:21 afaik
12:21 jcamins No, there are lots of branches, just none checked out.
12:22 The entire point of --mirror is to have all the branches that the remote has, no?
12:22 ebegin ok, you are right, I do have branch, but none checked out.
12:23 git log master gave me the same thing than git log
12:23 jcamins Okay. Then I definitely have no idea.
12:23 ebegin ... and the same for git log HEAD
12:23 jcamins It just occurred to me that maybe it had defaulted to a merge branch or something.
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12:25 ebegin I'll try a regular clone to see if I have the same behavior
12:25 oleonard Hi #koha
12:26 ebegin Hey oleonard !
12:26 eythian People should be aware that libwebcats seems to store passwords in cleartext, and email them back to you when you ask for a password reminder.
12:26 jcamins eythian: !!!
12:27 eythian test it, but it just emailed me a password I quite plausibly used.
12:27 jcamins Oh, I'm sure you're right.
12:27 I generally just e-mail requests that records be changed.
12:28 eythian I wanted to use the advanced search thing that requires a login.
12:28 jcamins Ah.
12:29 kf eythian: i canconfirm that
12:29 my reaction was probably similar to yours
12:29 * drojf checks the password to find he used a disposable one he would have never remembered
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12:29 kf Hi Dyrcona
12:30 eythian yeah, mine turned out to be one of those "I don't think I trust this site" passwords, fortunately.
12:30 Dyrcona hello
12:30 wahanui hello, Dyrcona
12:33 eythian It is certainly not good that that site stores passwords like that though.
12:34 kf nope it is not
12:34 you can write to the site owner
12:36 eythian I probably should
12:40 there was no email announcement for 3.10.8?
12:40 kf @seen khall
12:40 huginn` kf: khall was last seen in #koha 5 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <khall> is this as good a place to start as any?
12:40 kf hmm
12:40 oleonard khall must be on vacation
12:41 eythian nor a tag for it
12:41 khall I was, but now I'm not
12:41 oleonard :D
12:41 My condolences khall!
12:41 eythian I guess we're going to have to jump a version then.
12:41 khall : )
12:41 kf eythian: maybe try writing bgkriegel an email ?
12:41 hm
12:41 and hi khall
12:41 see pm :)
12:42 khall I was in the Pennsylvania Wilds, so being back has it's pros ( such as air conditioning and indoor plumbing ).
12:42 eythian kf: not really time. no matter, it's not the end of the world.
12:53 ebegin jcamins, i just tried to do a regular clone and my last log still on april 26th... even weirder
12:54 hi all !
12:59 anybody did a new clone of koha repo lately ?
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13:07 oleonard Good Monday to you druthb
13:08 druthb :D  Hi, oleonard! :D
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13:44 kf hi druthb :)
13:44 hi oleonard :)
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13:59 rambutan @wunder 64507
13:59 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 17.9°C (8:59 AM CDT on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
13:59 rambutan Rain
13:59 Light Rain, but Rain
13:59 @seen coffee
13:59 huginn` rambutan: I have not seen coffee.
14:00 coffee whoisi
14:00 druthb @wunder 77063
14:00 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 29.9°C (8:58 AM CDT on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
14:00 coffee I wonder what it would be like if it rained coffee?
14:01 Collect it in a rain barrel?
14:02 oleonard Mmm... scalding rain.
14:05 kf cold or hot coffee?
14:06 coffee Koha would be a good name for a brand of coffee. Koha Coffee. Kona Koha Coffee. Koha Kona Coffee.
14:07 kf: there is only hot hot coffee, though I confess at a derelict point in my life I was given to the habit of drinking iced coffee in Seoul.
14:07 kf coffee: ok, then i vote against raining coffee
14:08 hot coffee rain might even top the hail in my home town yesterday
14:08 coffee OK, let it rain cold coffee and we can put big heaters underneath the rain barrels
14:10 don'
14:10 oops
14:10 don't need google to translate that picture
14:10 kf not sure which you saw - but lots of damage :(
14:11 coffee broken out car window
14:11 kf yeah, lots of windows, solar panels on roofes etc.
14:14 hm someon know a way to print a hold slip in koha?
14:14 meaning a list of holds a patron has for the patron to take?
14:15 gmcharlt @quote random
14:15 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #213: "jwagner: There are few problems that can't be solved with patience, ingenuity, and a large kick in the pants (assuming servers wear pants, that is)." (added by wizzyrea at 06:18 PM, August 07, 2012)
14:15 kf good morning gmcharlt
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14:31 kf @quote random
14:31 huginn` kf: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013)
14:31 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
14:33 coffee pondering the merits of CFEngine...
14:35 gmcharlt coffee: a bit of a learning curve, but automatic deployments FTW!
14:41 bigbrovar Is there a limit to the number of records that can be matched when using stage marc for import?
14:42 oleonard Debugging a minor error in a template, traced the problem back to a change in 2009
14:42 bigbrovar I observed that when I uploaded mrc containing 582 items.. only the first 510 where matched, the rest was ignored as unmatched even though they ought to have been matched
14:44 but when I did a seperate upload of the remaining which was ignored in the first upload. I got a match .. should I be filing a bug report? (koha 3.12 debian squeeze packages)
14:49 kf bigbrovar: what do you mean by items? records?
14:49 druthb @quote random
14:49 huginn` druthb: Quote #236: "eythian: Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world. <-- post-MARC world sounds like post apocalyptic world , except it's MARC, so it's more like post-post-apocalyptic world" (added by wizzyrea at 10:10 PM, March 12, 2013)
14:49 kf it can happen when you are importing duplicated records - the index is not current after importing the first one yet so the second doesn't match
14:51 nengard hey all ... i'm home for a week ;) doing manual updates and i'm wondering about course reserves
14:51 it's only under the 'more' menu at the top
14:52 shouldn't it be in the tools or admin or have it's own bubble on the main page?
14:52 is there a bug report maybe for this?
14:53 bigbrovar kf: so am importing enteries to our koha installation from a mrc generated from csv file using marcedit.
14:56 kf: I first did a bib-record import.. using the stage marc for import tool, after which I did another marc import (this time with the holding information) and used match to tell koha to only add only items but ignore records if a match is found
14:57 ebegin Any git master around ? :)
14:58 I did a clone this morning and the last log I can see from the master branch is from April 26th...
14:59 oleonard What did you clone ebegin?
14:59 coffee gmcharlt: We're getting ready to rebuild our VM server, when done I think I may throw up a VM and give CFEngine a test run
15:00 ebegin git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git
15:00 gmcharlt ebegin: you're OK
15:00 date patched was authored != date patch was committed to master
15:01 try git log --pretty=fuller to see what I mean
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15:04 ebegin gmcharlt, ok, I got it ! Thank for the clarification.
15:05 drojf http://developerexcuses.com/
15:06 ebegin gmcharlt++
15:12 druthb drojf++
15:12 @excuse
15:12 huginn` druthb: My excuse for today is "failure to calibrate laser power level"
15:18 oleonard Typical rookie mistake.
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15:20 coffee welcome alabama
15:21 alphaman @wunder 35801
15:21 huginn` alphaman: The current temperature in Blossomwood, Huntsville, Alabama is 23.8°C (10:21 AM CDT on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
15:21 kf bigbrovar: hm my only idea is that the first batch was not fully indexed when you imported it
15:21 ... when you imported the second
15:22 tcohen hi #koha
15:23 kf hi tcohen
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15:34 oleonard Vote for your favorite "Course reserves" icon!
15:34 http://thenounproject.com/noun[…]oks/#icon-No11494
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15:34 oleonard http://thenounproject.com/noun[…]ooks/#icon-No3700
15:35 ebegin Anybody knows the status of the hour loans ?
15:36 oleonard http://thenounproject.com/noun[…]loud/#icon-No4075
15:36 pianohacker ebegin: They're working and integrated into current Koha, why?
15:37 ebegin pianohacker, As we speak, it doesn't seem to have anything related to branches' opening / closing hours
15:38 jcamins ebegin: there is no hourly calendar.
15:38 pianohacker ebegin: bug 8133
15:38 wahanui bug 8133 is what started libsysguy's quest
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15:38 ebegin that is what I meant :) Is there plan to add some ?
15:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
15:39 jcamins I think pianohacker has a patch for that.
15:39 pianohacker yup
15:39 jcamins ... and sure enough he does.
15:42 ebegin pianohacker, thanks, we will look at it
15:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #343 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FIXED)
15:43 Project Koha_Docs build #343: SUCCESS in 35 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/343/
15:43 * Nicole C. Engard: add course reserves
15:43 * Nicole C. Engard: add UseCourseReserves
15:43 * Nicole C. Engard: link to UseCourseReserves pref
15:44 ebegin pianohacker, do you use the opening/closing time to compute fines too ?
15:44 pianohacker ebegin: yes
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15:44 bigbrovar kf: hmmm I did run koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance after the first import... and the output showed completion without errors.. anyway..all is fine now
15:46 kf ok
15:46 bye all
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15:48 bigbrovar I observed that the Title notes tab for items (under opac and staff clients) is missing.. I use amazon for enhanced contents though the book cover is pulled.. the title notes tab is empty :/
15:50 jcamins bigbrovar: "Title notes" is for record-level notes in the 5xx fields.
15:51 So far as I know, Amazon reviews no longer show up due to API and license changes.
15:52 Also, Amazon book covers are controlled separately from other Amazon enhanced content.
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16:00 nengard jcamins i think enhanced content from syndetics might also show in title notes if you have that enabled
16:01 jcamins nengard: oh, interesting.
16:01 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
16:01 nengard I know i've seen other content in that tab i could be wrong about the source - but it's coming from some enhanced content source
16:01 * nengard has a brain of mush right now after all the travel
16:02 jcamins bigbrovar: so if you have Syndetics, you might see something there.
16:02 bigbrovar jcamins: afaict thats not free as in beer, right?
16:03 oleonard Not free as in anything
16:03 bigbrovar lol
16:04 jcamins bigbrovar: right.
16:04 oleonard: well, it's free as in "you are free to sell yourself into slavery in order to pay for a temporary subscription."
16:07 oleonard If the terms are fair I would think it's not unreasonable to pay for something like that. I don't know the details though.
16:08 jcamins oleonard: nor do I.
16:09 oleonard Although if you're looking for a reason not to like Syndetics you can start with the fact that they link to the wrong Koha web site :P
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16:15 oleonard And the votes are in! It's banana by a landslide. http://thenounproject.com/noun[…]nana/#icon-No8106
16:16 coffee Bananas for $1.99
16:17 jcamins oleonard: that's just because it tripped all the people carrying books.
16:17 coffee ah, liability insurance
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16:36 druthb cait!  drojf!
16:36 cait drojf! druthb!
16:37 druthb druthb!  . . .  oh.  Wait.
16:37 drojf cait! druthb!
16:39 cait heh
16:47 oleonard Since when does " Compatible with jQuery 1.3+" mean "Requires jQuery >= 1.8?"
16:48 jcamins oleonard: bad pixels.
16:48 The pixels on the left side of the 8 are all missing.
16:49 gaetan_B bye !
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19:04 oleonard jcamins around?
19:04 jcamins Kinda.
19:04 For a few minutes.
19:04 What's up?
19:05 oleonard I'm looking at this jstree plugin and wondering how to test its functionality in Koha. What kind of authority data do I need to see more than one level in a tree?
19:06 jcamins You need to link some authorities together.
19:06 Create two authorities, like New York (State) and New York (City).
19:06 (GEOGR_NAME)
19:07 Then, after creating them, open them up again and use the auth chooser to add a broader/narrower link (as appropriate) to a 551.
19:07 Then turn on AuthHierarchies.
19:07 oleonard auth chooser?
19:08 * cait waves
19:08 jcamins Yeah, the plugin.
19:08 If you open up the record in the editor, and click the three dots it opens the auth chooser.
19:09 oleonard Thanks I'll give it a try
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19:50 oleonard I think the "In discussion" status for bugs is a graveyard.
19:50 cait i think if you care about the bug... you can dig it up
19:52 oleonard The discussion is really only between the patch submitter and the person who put the bug into discussion, unless someone else happens to be watching. Seems like the person putting it to "in discussion" might as well just say "failed qa" and say why they don't like it.
19:52 cait hm maybe
19:52 for some it's easy, for others it's not
19:53 i was thinking maybe we should have the oldest 5 or so on the dashboard?
19:53 or we could have a 'in discussion bug' of the day
19:53 just trying to get it back to discussion
19:55 gmcharlt FWIW, I try to stay on top of any I set to that status, but someties it does take too to tango
19:55 *two
19:55 cait agreed
20:06 edveal I am trying to change the details display page to show the "Title notes" by default rather than the Holdings tab. Has anyone done this before? Any ideas.
20:07 cait you could manipulate using jquery i think
20:07 setting active
20:08 druthb cait!!
20:08 cait++
20:08 cait druthb!
20:08 edveal Hey druthb...
20:08 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
20:08 cait i didn't do anything!
20:08 druthb hey, edveal. :)
20:08 wahanui:  cait?
20:08 wahanui i heard cait was qam, not your secretary
20:08 druthb :P
20:09 you did too do something, cait.
20:09 pianohacker cait?
20:09 wahanui cait: go to bed
20:09 druthb listen to wahanui, cait.
20:10 cait germs?
20:10 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
20:10 cait you think i should?
20:13 druthb cait?
20:13 wahanui cait: go to bed
20:13 druthb yes, I think you should.
20:14 cait hmpf?
20:14 druthb hehehe
20:16 oleonard Fine, *I'll* got to bed!
20:16 druthb lol
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20:16 druthb wahoo!  The office manager just came to see me; I have a parking pass for the underground garage.  Guess they're gonna keep me around after all!
20:16 Now my car won't be 50C in the afternoon!
20:17 magnuse druthb: yay!
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20:21 cait yay :)
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20:26 cait oh
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20:32 druthb cait?
20:32 wahanui cait: go to bed
20:32 cait hmpf?
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20:33 druthb lulz
20:34 * druthb heads for home.
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21:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:40 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.2°C (11:40 PM CEST on July 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
21:40 cait good morning kathryn and good night everyone
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21:40 kathryn sleep tight cait!
21:40 miss...
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21:59 rangi eythian++
21:59 cjh eythian++
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22:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: move Auth_ParseSearchHistoryCookie.t to db_dependent directory <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]de11ffe0eb2cdcf52> / do some validation of the KohaOpacRecentSearches cookie <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ad016f3b063661ef8> / use JSON rather than Storable for the OPAC search history cookie <http://git.koha-communi
22:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #20 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
22:41 rangi heh galens server is faster than the main jenkins one, (or i should say the clock on the main one is slow)
22:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #76 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:45 pianohacker gmcharlt: Does http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ad016f3b063661ef8 fix http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10338 ?
22:45 huginn` 04Bug 10338: normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search history can cause "Out of memory" errors
22:45 gmcharlt pianohacker: yep -- but stand by a few minutes
22:47 wizzyrea pianohacker: how many searches, you reckon
22:47 out of curiosity
22:47 rangi gmcharlt++
22:47 pianohacker wizzyrea: It was a pretty squirrely bug, an exact number was hard to come by
22:47 rangi tcohen++
22:47 cjh++
22:47 wizzyrea eythian++
22:47 rangi bgkriegel++
22:47 jcamins++
22:48 pianohacker rangi: Better be careful with your karma, gmcharlt submitted a commit without a bug number ;)
22:48 wizzyrea gmcharlt is RM he can do what he wants ^.^
22:48 pianohacker tyrant!
22:49 gmcharlt pianohacker: oddly enough, once I uncollapse from this, I have a solution for exactly that problem :)
22:49 pianohacker sweet. Saw it coming across the wire, and wanted to check
22:49 and in all seriousness
22:49 gmcharlt++
22:51 wizzyrea benevolent dictator
22:51 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit32: move Auth_ParseSearchHistoryCookie.t to db_dependent directory <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2f535c327b1fadf26> / do some validation of the KohaOpacRecentSearches cookie <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]838b37160371df845> / use JSON rather than Storable for the OPAC search history cookie <http://git.koha-commu
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22:52 cjh gmcharlt++
22:53 wizzyrea http://dontbeadickday.com/
22:53 ^ this made me laugh
22:53 pianohacker haha that's awesome
22:54 wizzyrea :D
22:54 pianohacker oh, and that email makes sense why the normal bug process didn't happen
22:54 wizzyrea ...yeahhhh
22:54 pianohacker apologies for harassment, and thanks for solving that one problem in the process of solving a much bigger one!
22:55 rangi here is your reward
22:55 https://soundcloud.com/kowtow-[…]/03-nature-of-man
22:55 crank it up
23:03 gmcharlt rangi++
23:10 * rangi giggles
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23:10 gmcharlt hmm?
23:11 rangi you'll see
23:11 when tweetbot catches up
23:11 gmcharlt ah :)
23:14 cjh gmcharlt: pushed tag, good spot.
23:14 gmcharlt cjh++
23:14 tcohen++
23:14 bgkriegel++
23:14 jcamins++
23:14 cniighs++
23:15 eythian++
23:15 eythian++
23:15 eythian++
23:15 cjh gmcharlt: awesome work finding the issue :)
23:15 pianohacker ^ last three: bug finders?
23:15 ah okay
23:15 gmcharlt++
23:15 gmcharlt pianohacker: no, just the poor schlub who got tortured by requests to rebuild the packages multiple times
23:15 (re eythian)
23:15 cjh pianohacker: eythian was up at 11:30 pm rolling packages
23:15 pianohacker oh jeez
23:16 eythian++
23:16 wizzyrea bless him.
23:16 cjh he deserves a good beer.
23:16 wizzyrea definitely.
23:16 rangi http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]-thats-right-aint
23:16 * rangi is impatient
23:16 wizzyrea hehe
23:16 cjh hahaha
23:16 * cjh starts humming along
23:18 dcook lol
23:18 hehe
23:19 I need to check my twitter more often...I love these
23:22 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #20: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/20/
23:22 * Galen Charlton: use JSON rather than Storable for the OPAC search history cookie
23:22 * Galen Charlton: do some validation of the KohaOpacRecentSearches cookie
23:22 * Galen Charlton: move Auth_ParseSearchHistoryCookie.t to db_dependent directory
23:24 Project Koha_3.12.x build #76: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/76/
23:24 * Galen Charlton: use JSON rather than Storable for the OPAC search history cookie
23:24 * Galen Charlton: do some validation of the KohaOpacRecentSearches cookie
23:24 * Galen Charlton: move Auth_ParseSearchHistoryCookie.t to db_dependent directory
23:24 * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.12.3
23:24 * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Update release notes for 3.12.3 release
23:24 * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Increment version for 3.12.3 release
23:25 Starting build #168 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:31 pianohacker Bye #koha
23:57 drojf joined #koha
23:59 dcook So what's the commit for this security release?
23:59 rangi there are 3
23:59 the last 3

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