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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:05 | mtompset | Woo hoo! I think I got the override working. Kaboom! |
| 00:06 | dcook | Kaboom? |
| 00:06 | That doesn't sound good :p | |
| 00:07 | wizzyrea | you know, when one deletes a borrower the lists should really go back to owner 0 instead of NULL. |
| 00:07 | then at least teh superlibrarian can get at them. | |
| 00:08 | dcook | Really? |
| 00:08 | wahanui | Really is, like, off now |
| 00:09 | * wizzyrea | tests this theory |
| 00:09 | dcook | But if your admin account isn't borrower #0, you're still hooped, no? |
| 00:09 | wizzyrea | that's the db user |
| 00:09 | user 0 | |
| 00:09 | dcook | Interesting |
| 00:09 | wahanui | hmmm... Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 00:10 | dcook | I suppose in that case you could have your db user do the mop up... |
| 00:10 | It seems to me that any superlibrarian should be able to manage all lists though | |
| 00:11 | wizzyrea | yep, agreed there |
| 00:16 | mtompset | There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom. And there was. There was an earth shattering kaboom. :P |
| 00:16 | -- when I found an unrelated bug in testing. :P | |
| 00:34 | jcamins | Good news! The staff side browsing I implemented works in a way that is unlikely to break the staff client. |
| 00:35 | dcook | Huzzah, jcamins! |
| 00:37 | jcamins | It was way harder than one would think it should be. |
| 00:38 | dcook | I'm not entirely sure what you even mean by staff side browsing, but it sounds good ;) |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | me either :) |
| 00:38 | jcamins | dcook: it's not not really "browsing," but that's what we call it on the OPAC. |
| 00:38 | Paging through results. | |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | oghhhhh |
| 00:38 | jcamins | ... you don't like paging through results? |
| 00:39 | wizzyrea | no I do, i typo'd ohhh |
| 00:39 | * jcamins | was picturing you clutching your stomach in agony at the thought. |
| 00:39 | wizzyrea | hehe double oops |
| 00:40 | mtompset | Back in a moment, hopefully... Bye, bye. Waterfox. I want my quicktime plug in. |
| 00:41 | jcamins | Now I have to put the paging on the other views. |
| 00:41 | dcook | jcamins: I'm even more intrigued now |
| 00:41 | wizzyrea | you mean the marc detail and the isbd view? |
| 00:42 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 00:42 | dcook | jcamins: Are you referring to the ability to do a search, go into a record, then go "previous" or "next" from the detail record? |
| 00:42 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 00:43 | dcook | Sweeeet |
| 00:43 | jcamins | And I designed it so that it would A) not take down the server and B) not cause a mess someone screwed up their Javascript. |
| 00:45 | dcook | Sounds good :) |
| 00:46 | I want to say that I've heard of people wanting this... | |
| 00:47 | wizzyrea | i am sure people will find it useful |
| 00:47 | * jcamins | has gotten a ton of requests for it. |
| 00:49 | jcamins | Okay, wait a minute. |
| 00:49 | Is there no way to view anything other than the standard view from a results page? | |
| 00:49 | I thought there were links. | |
| 00:49 | Found it. | |
| 00:49 | The syspref is under Cataloging, of all places. | |
| 00:50 | dcook | What's the syspref? |
| 00:50 | wahanui | i think the syspref is only there, so people can switch to zebra |
| 00:50 | jcamins | ... and it doesn't work. |
| 00:50 | IntranetBiblioDefaultView. | |
| 00:51 | dcook | Hmm, yep. Looks busted. |
| 00:51 | jcamins | Well, at least I know. |
| 00:51 | dcook | \o/ |
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| 00:55 | jcamins | Actually, you know what? |
| 00:56 | IntranetDefaultBiblioView or whatever it is doesn't do anything no matter what. | |
| 00:56 | dcook | Never used in the code? |
| 00:57 | wizzyrea | i *kinow* that used to work |
| 00:57 | know* | |
| 00:57 | jcamins | I'm pretty sure it used to work too, but I have XSLT disabled and it's set to labelled MARC view, and it does nothing. |
| 00:58 | Fortunately that is a prime example of something which is of absolutely no importance whatsoever to me, so having reported the bug, I no longer have to think about it. | |
| 00:58 | * jcamins | goes to eat some dinner. |
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| 01:05 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 02:59 | wizzyrea | please pass it on, catalyst is running a demo site with oleonard's bootstrap opac at responsive.mykoha.co.nz. |
| 02:59 | the machine is a little underpowered, so we don't want to send it to the list. | |
| 03:00 | (it works fine, it's just not designed for 100 people hitting it at the same time ^.^) | |
| 03:16 | dcook | wizzyrea: Pass it on to whom? |
| 03:16 | wizzyrea | anytime it comes up here |
| 03:16 | "wouldn't it be cool if the opac were bootstrap" | |
| 03:16 | "owen's doing work on that there's an up to date demo at..." | |
| 03:16 | etc. | |
| 03:18 | dcook | Mmm, cool beans |
| 03:18 | oleonard++ | |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | bootstrap? |
| 03:18 | wahanui | an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | bootstrap |
| 03:20 | wahanui | an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309. |
| 03:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap |
| 03:27 | dcook | XSLT++ |
| 03:28 | Just sayin'. I prefer this so much more than using the Perl/TT detail display. | |
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| 03:41 | dcook | Data conversion...yay |
| 03:41 | Hey, Oak :) | |
| 03:42 | Oak | hello dcook :) |
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| 05:57 | drojf | goof morning #koha |
| 05:57 | dcook | morning drojf |
| 05:57 | drojf | s/goof/good |
| 05:57 | hi dcook | |
| 05:59 | cait++ :) | |
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| 06:26 | cait | hi #koha |
| 06:26 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:26 | cait | hi reiveune :) |
| 06:26 | reiveune | hi cait :) |
| 06:27 | drojf | hi cait |
| 06:27 | thanks for writing my test plan and testing :) | |
| 06:28 | cait | :) |
| 06:28 | dcook | salut reiveune :) |
| 06:28 | drojf | i wanted to but then got distracted by some weird things |
| 06:28 | dcook | \o/ weird things |
| 06:28 | * dcook | vows to stop answering the phone and actually write his little blurb |
| 06:30 | reiveune | salut dcook :) |
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| 06:55 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 06:56 | just put a patch with 80461 lines on bug 10520 | |
| 06:56 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10520 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add i18n function to English mysql files for webinstaller |
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| 06:56 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 06:56 | marcelr | hi christophe_c |
| 06:57 | christophe_c | hi marcelr |
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| 07:22 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:22 | wahanui | bidet, gaetan_B |
| 07:23 | marcelr | hi gaetan_B |
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| 07:32 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:33 | dcook | night night #koha |
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| 07:34 | marcelr | bye dcook |
| 07:34 | hi kf | |
| 07:35 | kf | hi marcelr |
| 07:52 | drojf | hi marcelr and kf |
| 07:52 | marcelr | hi drojf |
| 07:55 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 07:55 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.6°C (9:43 AM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
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| 09:00 | eythian | hi |
| 09:00 | wahanui | niihau, eythian |
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| 09:27 | drojf | eythian: around? |
| 09:27 | eythian | yarp |
| 09:28 | drojf | would it be a horrible idea to have a command for the koha packages that sets some sysprefs? iw as thinking about something like koha-privacy <level> <instancename> that sets relevant sysprefs automatically |
| 09:29 | eythian | hmm. 'koha-privacy' isn't really a good one, because it doesn't make a lot of sense. But something that let you set sysprefs and perhaps had some built in profiles could be an interesting thing to do. |
| 09:30 | drojf | why does privacy not make sense? |
| 09:38 | * kf | waves again back from a meeting |
| 09:38 | kf | drojf: there is a script from pianohacker somewhere for doing that on normal installations |
| 09:38 | eythian | because how do you get a level out of a bunch of orthogonal parameters? |
| 09:39 | also, it's overly specific. | |
| 09:40 | as soon as you're writing something to change sysprefs, you may as well make it work with many different things. | |
| 09:40 | all this said, I wonder if something like that would be better done as an enhancement to the web interface. | |
| 09:41 | it's not really the responsibility of the sysadmin (in general), it's the library staff who should determine the sysprefs. | |
| 09:43 | drojf | not sure about the level. personally i only like "disable all the third party junk and especially social networks", so turning off everything is the only level i need ;) also i have no concrete plans to do it, but i have a privacy/opt-out page for privacy-related sysprefs somewhere on my "would like to work on it some day" pile and came to the idea of the package command in the shower this morning. |
| 09:43 | hmm yes that makes sense about sysadmin vs librarian | |
| 09:47 | kf: somehwere as on bugzilla or somewhere on the internet? | |
| 09:47 | kf | somewhere in koha :) |
| 09:48 | not sure if it's usable, but it shoudl be somewhere in misc | |
| 09:48 | drojf | ah |
| 09:48 | cool | |
| 09:48 | kf | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1b216d2bab8efbdc9 |
| 09:48 | koha-preferences - Get, set, dump and load Koha system preferences | |
| 09:50 | the dump and load might work for profiles? | |
| 09:51 | drojf | i think so. nice |
| 11:05 | marcelr | drojf: there is also cmp_sysprefs.pl in misc/maintenance |
| 11:06 | there is some overlap with koha-preferences but cmp compares too | |
| 11:18 | eythian | kf: bug 10574 |
| 11:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4 |
| 11:22 | kf | heh |
| 11:22 | just mailed it to the coworker ;) | |
| 11:23 | eythian: will you also take a look at the -y for apt-get? | |
| 11:23 | eythian | kf: to what end? |
| 11:23 | kf | then it would never ask you for confirmation |
| 11:24 | eythian | once I stop that message from displaying, what would it ask you about now? |
| 11:24 | kf | thought we might end up with another message sometime in the future :) |
| 11:24 | but shoudl be alright | |
| 11:25 | eythian | I actually suspect that's the wrong way to do it |
| 11:25 | I think -y is just about apt questions. | |
| 11:25 | not debconf | |
| 11:26 | though I'm not sure | |
| 11:26 | jcamins | That is my understanding as well. |
| 11:27 | eythian | ah, what you're supposed to do is set the environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
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| 12:02 | * eythian | deletes 3.5GB of old build files from his working directory. |
| 12:02 | eythian | that'll clean things up a little |
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| 12:12 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:13 | * oleonard | loves getting secret messages from huginn` |
| 12:16 | jcamins | Good morning, oleonard. What do you think of the Previous/Next buttons in this screenshot: http://screencast.com/t/Q8Bf55e6kd2 |
| 12:16 | oleonard | For search results? |
| 12:16 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 12:19 | oleonard | I'm concerned that without references to "results" like the OPAC version has it's not clear what they're for. |
| 12:20 | jcamins | I can easily add that. |
| 12:20 | oleonard | I also think they probably belong above the tabs |
| 12:20 | jcamins | Something like... |
| 12:21 | marcelr | the intriguing bug 9743 is ready again for some testing :) |
| 12:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Mandatory opac hold notes under specified conditions |
| 12:21 | jcamins | Well that's weird. The "Browse results" text is appearing behind the buttons. |
| 12:22 | Okay, so it'll take me several minutes to figure this out. | |
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| 12:32 | jcamins | oleonard: so something like this: http://screencast.com/t/9SugYJHnH |
| 12:32 | ? | |
| 12:38 | oleonard | jcamins: Do you plan on offering a "back to results" link? |
| 12:39 | jcamins | oleonard: that's a good idea. |
| 12:39 | kf | jcamins: i like that better than below |
| 12:39 | jcamins | I had not planned on it, but I certainly can. |
| 12:39 | kf | could we put it on the left side like we do in the opac? |
| 12:39 | jcamins | On the right side? |
| 12:39 | kf | um the other left... right |
| 12:39 | yes | |
| 12:39 | jcamins | Not without messing up the layout, I don't think. |
| 12:40 | oleonard | jcamins: Offering a "back to results" link would orient the user well enough without the "browse" label I think |
| 12:40 | jcamins | I'd have to change the layout to three-column, which seems like something we don't want. |
| 12:41 | kf | jcamins: is the browse results the same functionality as in the opac? |
| 12:41 | clickable? | |
| 12:41 | or just a heading | |
| 12:41 | /label | |
| 12:41 | jcamins | Just a heading. |
| 12:41 | kf | i think then i would remove it |
| 12:41 | jcamins | But I'm changing it to "Return to results." |
| 12:41 | kf | or that |
| 12:42 | oleonard | I know I've seen it in action before but I forget, what is the question mark think you have running on your test installations? |
| 12:42 | jcamins | It's Plack. |
| 12:43 | That's a debug pane with information about performance, requests, etc. | |
| 12:50 | So, more like this: http://screencast.com/t/qMlTqY7jQ ? | |
| 12:51 | oleonard | Yes |
| 12:52 | Styling needs to be fiddled with, but I think that's on the right track | |
| 12:52 | * oleonard | can't figure out why he suddenly wants fudge popsicles |
| 12:53 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 12:54 | Don't they sound delicious? | |
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| 13:14 | eythian | wahanui: javascript |
| 13:14 | wahanui | javascript is required for interactions with clicks |
| 13:14 | eythian | wahanui: javascript is also http://sealedabstract.com/wp-c[…]he-good-parts.jpg |
| 13:14 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 13:15 | druthb | wahanui: logs? |
| 13:15 | wahanui | i guess logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ |
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| 13:38 | tcohen | heh |
| 13:39 | kf | hi tcohen :) |
| 13:39 | hi druthb_away :) | |
| 13:41 | tcohen | hi kf druthb_away |
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| 14:11 | * eythian | volunteers kf to test bug 10574 for me |
| 14:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4 |
| 14:13 | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by koha_perl_deps.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bdc84aa339e618bcc> | |
| 14:17 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1300 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:20 | kf | eythian: i am volunteering the coworker |
| 14:20 | eythian | that's fine too :) |
| 14:23 | kf | :) |
| 14:23 | might take a bit | |
| 14:24 | eythian | I'm not sure that's acceptable...:) |
| 14:28 | kf | heh |
| 14:28 | i think it was not acceptable that it didn't work right from the beginning :P | |
| 14:28 | *hides* | |
| 14:31 | eythian: nothing in return? | |
| 14:31 | eythian | it worked perfectly fine in the beginning, it was just a bit overzealous! |
| 14:32 | kf | hehe |
| 14:32 | ok :) | |
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| 14:32 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 14:32 | kf | hi mtompset |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Greetings, kf! |
| 14:33 | I know that newer code needs to meet perlcritic -5 testing, but excluding use strict and use warnings causes my code to fail the perlcritic -5 testing. What should I do? | |
| 14:34 | eythian | why are you excluding them? |
| 14:34 | mtompset | using Modern::Perl instead. |
| 14:34 | eythian | if because you have Modern::Perl then I'd say that's OK |
| 14:34 | mtompset | But it fails the perlcritic -5 test. |
| 14:35 | kf | it's ok, it's your perlcriticthing file not being the right one |
| 14:35 | eythian | then we should have a perlcritic rule to avoid that |
| 14:35 | kf | we have one |
| 14:35 | eythian | oh, OK |
| 14:35 | kf | in the file that comes witht he qa tools |
| 14:35 | eythian | then you shoul duse that, mtompset |
| 14:35 | kf | but i think you have to copy it someplace |
| 14:35 | i forgot what i had to do there and can't check right now :( | |
| 14:36 | mtompset | I have the qa tools test, and it failed. |
| 14:38 | tcohen | run perlcritic -p perlcriticrc_file |
| 14:39 | mtompset | AH! okay... |
| 14:42 | how do I make the perlcriticrc file with qa-tools the default one? | |
| 14:43 | eythian | ~/.perlcriticrc |
| 14:45 | kf | oleonard++ |
| 14:45 | the one and only superlibrarian :) | |
| 14:46 | including cape of course | |
| 14:47 | mtompset | eythian++ # thanks, I have a better perlcriticrc now. :) |
| 14:47 | eythian | cool. though you should probably include or symlink to the koha one so that if it changes, you don't have to copy it over again |
| 14:48 | kf | eythian++ :) |
| 14:48 | eythian | kf: you've tested that patch yet? ;) |
| 14:48 | oleonard | No capes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNUbPRj9TGM |
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| 14:52 | kf | :) |
| 14:53 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e913779c38c19bdc4> |
| 14:59 | mtompset | oleonard++ # no capes! ;) |
| 14:59 | kf | okok, i don#t insist on a cape |
| 15:04 | oleonard | I'll bet that entire scene was prompted by the fact that Pixar didn't want to have to animate a main character wearing a cape. |
| 15:09 | mtompset | I think only in part, oleonard. |
| 15:12 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1300: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1300/ |
| 15:31 | Mark Tompsett: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by koha_perl_deps.pl | |
| 15:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10548 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , koha_perl_deps.pl miscounts dependencies displayed |
| 15:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1301 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:38 | mtompset | Sweet! |
| 15:38 | I feel the bug fix trickle of love. :) | |
| 15:39 | eythian | how disturbing |
| 15:39 | mtompset | disturbing? |
| 15:39 | eythian | your phrasing. |
| 15:40 | mtompset | bug fix trickle of love? |
| 15:40 | eythian | yes |
| 15:40 | mtompset | Only if you think that trickle means something else. :P |
| 15:41 | So, "I feel the love from the gentle trickle of bug fixes" is better? :P | |
| 15:42 | eythian | I guess it'll have to do |
| 15:45 | mtompset | Is it better to use the C4::Context userenv hash over intentionally SQL querying for a users home branch? |
| 15:45 | eythian | I should think so |
| 15:45 | pianohacker | mtompset: Yes, as staff users can change their branch |
| 15:45 | (upon login) | |
| 15:46 | mtompset | Is patron category in the userenv hash? Should it be, if it isn't? |
| 15:48 | Yes, but that would be the advantage of querying via SQL for the home branch, because the user wouldn't have to log out and log in, if the staff changed their home branch. But I suppose that isn't enough of a gain to not use the userenv hash. | |
| 15:51 | eythian | I don't think it's persistent within their session |
| 15:58 | mtompset | system preferences: underscores good, okay, bad? |
| 15:59 | slef | IThinkWePrefereCamelCase |
| 15:59 | pianohacker | mtompset: Generally not preferred, just about everything these days is CamelCase |
| 15:59 | slef | except spellcheck doesn't work on them :-/ |
| 16:00 | mtompset | Okay... noted. :) |
| 16:00 | Lunch! :) | |
| 16:01 | eythian | mtompset: if you're asking that, it would suggest that you ought to look at the existing ones and create new ones in a manner similar to them. |
| 16:01 | slef | eythian: dupload or dput? |
| 16:01 | eythian | Not that they're consistent at all |
| 16:01 | slef: I use dput | |
| 16:01 | then I rsync the repo | |
| 16:02 | oleonard | Why does Basketgroups have a button that says "close and print?" Has that button ever made something print? |
| 16:02 | slef | ooh debrelease |
| 16:02 | * oleonard | tested a version from a couple of years back and it didn't work then |
| 16:03 | eythian | oleonard: I'm surprised no one has brought that up |
| 16:06 | oleonard | Ah, had to go back a couple more years to find a working version. |
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| 16:25 | oleonard | git bisect, you are drunk. |
| 16:32 | eythian | git bisect is a bad drunk |
| 16:45 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1301: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1301/ |
| 16:45 | Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission | |
| 16:45 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions |
| 16:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1302 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:58 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]96a349242d3d2ff66> |
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| 18:02 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1302: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1302/ |
| 18:02 | Dyrcona | gmcharlt: I'm testing your wip branch of MARC::Charset right now. |
| 18:02 | I should know if it fixes my issues in a half hour or soe. | |
| 18:03 | gmcharlt | it improves it, but there's at least one Hangul character that breaks it |
| 18:03 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1303 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 18:04 | Dyrcona | Well, it has chugged through 15000 records without a problem so far. |
| 18:04 | If if makes through all 240 000, I say release it. :) | |
| 18:12 | gmcharlt: Looks like I found that Hangul character in record # 70 632. :( | |
| 18:13 | You want me to send you that record. I probably sent it before. | |
| 18:13 | gmcharlt | no, I've got it |
| 18:13 | Dyrcona | OK. |
| 18:13 | I still think this is enough of an improvement to justify releasing 1.35 | |
| 18:24 | edveal | I have a suppression question. If I bib record is suppressed and you find another record and replace the bib number with the bib number of the suppressed record, then the suppressed record should display in the opac or not? |
| 18:30 | mtompset | can you have duplicate biblionumbers? |
| 18:30 | edveal | No |
| 18:31 | mtompset | So, then I don't understand your scenario. |
| 18:31 | edveal | If you find any other bib record and then replace the bib # in the URL with the bib # of the suppressed record will it show up? |
| 18:32 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 18:34 | Oh my! | |
| 18:34 | oleonard | edveal: Can't you simply try it? |
| 18:34 | mtompset | the opac-details.pl url showed me a hidden item. |
| 18:35 | edveal | Yes and it seems to work. |
| 18:35 | Thanks just wanted confirmation. | |
| 18:35 | mtompset | I can confirm what you are worried about edveal. |
| 18:35 | Shoot. Now I'm worried about it. | |
| 18:36 | oleonard | I don't get it. Why wouldn't the non-suppressed biblio appear? |
| 18:36 | edveal | The reason is suppression prevents the record form being searched not displayed. |
| 18:36 | Which is fine for the OPAC. | |
| 18:36 | oleonard | Oh I get it, I had it reversed |
| 18:36 | edveal | Patrons don't know bib numbers anyway. |
| 18:36 | mtompset | True. |
| 18:37 | edveal | Just wanted to confirm this. Thanks. |
| 18:37 | mtompset | But some mal-content could mine through a sequence to find things. |
| 19:00 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 19:00 | oleonard | I wonder why we have 6075 items in our production database which have NULL items.onloan but are checked out |
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| 19:04 | * cait | waves |
| 19:15 | oleonard | Hi again cait |
| 19:16 | cait | hi oleonard :) |
| 19:16 | oleonard | After talking about JS translatability I dusted off a patch I worked on a while ago and submitted it |
| 19:16 | More acquisitions JavaScript | |
| 19:18 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1303: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1303/ |
| 19:18 | Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name | |
| 19:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10535 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , by default sort funds by name |
| 19:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1304 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 19:32 | jcamins | oleonard: do you by any chance know of a site that you think has nice forward/back/return to results buttons that I could imitate? |
| 19:33 | oleonard | No :( |
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| 19:43 | oleonard | jcamins: With an authority search, the option to choose chronological term, personal name, etc... What would you label that? |
| 19:44 | Authority type? | |
| 19:44 | wahanui | somebody said Authority type was going to be a problem. |
| 19:44 | jcamins | Yeah, probably. |
| 19:52 | oleonard | I thought it would probably be more flexible to reorder the authority search form in the OPAC like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/TyUnQd7QpT3Y |
| 19:52 | ...but I'm not sure about the labels | |
| 19:52 | "Keyword(s)" must be wrong, since the next option references "keyword" too | |
| 19:53 | cait | oleonard: thx for the patch - and i like the idea for the search form |
| 19:56 | rangi | bug 9282 |
| 19:56 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , authorities auto-completion in mainmainentry |
| 19:56 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:57 | rangi | can we change hemain to heman |
| 19:57 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk | |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | hey rangi |
| 19:57 | cait | *giggles* |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | hey cait |
| 19:57 | cait | hi pianohacker :) |
| 19:57 | * cait | votes for shera |
| 19:58 | cait | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR65P73X5GI |
| 19:58 | omg that voice. | |
| 20:00 | rangi | hehe |
| 20:01 | i wonder if i can get needs signoff back down to 160ish | |
| 20:01 | and signed off to 65 | |
| 20:01 | thats my goal, depending on what happens at work | |
| 20:01 | rambutan | bugs? |
| 20:01 | wahanui | bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release |
| 20:02 | rambutan | bugzilla? |
| 20:02 | wahanui | i heard bugzilla was found at http://bugs.koha-community.org |
| 20:02 | rambutan | tnaks |
| 20:02 | rangi | dashboard? |
| 20:02 | wahanui | dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 20:03 | rangi | rambutan: ^ thats quite handy |
| 20:03 | oleonard | Any thoughts about the authority search labels jcamins? |
| 20:03 | jcamins | oleonard: oh, yeah, I was going to respond when the wifi died then I forgot. |
| 20:03 | What about changing "Keyword(s)" to "Term(s)"? | |
| 20:03 | oleonard | Sounds good to me |
| 20:04 | cait | rangi: i may be able to help some |
| 20:04 | jcamins | I think most people know that a term is a word, and it won't make people think they're doing a keyword search when they're not. |
| 20:04 | rangi | cait++ |
| 20:04 | cait | hm? |
| 20:05 | rambutan | wahanui: bug 10240 |
| 20:05 | wahanui | bug 10240 is pretty cool, if I say so myself. |
| 20:05 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB |
| 20:06 | rangi | it is pretty cool |
| 20:06 | i thought i signed that off | |
| 20:06 | maybe i was dreaming | |
| 20:07 | jcamins | rangi: you did. |
| 20:07 | rangi | cait: if you sign off magnuses translation thingy of the sql |
| 20:07 | jcamins | I wrote more patches. |
| 20:07 | rangi | i will qa it |
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| 20:07 | cait | hm can you give me the bug number again? |
| 20:07 | i haven't had time to look att he new translation patches lately | |
| 20:07 | sadly | |
| 20:07 | rangi | bug 10509 |
| 20:07 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10509 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Using i18n function for translation in webinstaller mysql files |
| 20:07 | oleonard | See y'all later |
| 20:07 | rangi | jcamins: ahh cool will test the new patches |
| 20:07 | oleonard: cya | |
| 20:08 | pianohacker | bye oleonard |
| 20:17 | rangi | ok school run, bbiab |
| 20:19 | jcamins | Well... this is weird. I have two records with null biblionumbers. |
| 20:33 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1304: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1304/ |
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| 20:39 | cait | it is weirdindeed |
| 20:57 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 20:57 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.1°C (10:55 PM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:57 | cait | getting pretty warm here these days |
| 20:57 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 20:57 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.4°C (4:46 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:58 | jcamins | The overnight low here is significantly higher than it is in Konstanz. You can have our heat. |
| 20:58 | Dyrcona | @wunder 01845 |
| 20:58 | huginn` | Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 29.5°C (4:58 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect until 6 PM EDT this evening... |
| 20:59 | * jcamins | would be happy to send Dyrcona an extra .9 degrees if he'd like it, too. |
| 21:00 | rangi | back |
| 21:00 | jcamins | @wunder nzwn |
| 21:00 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on July 12, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:00 | * jcamins | has 20 spare degrees to send to rangi. |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | that's chilly |
| 21:02 | jcamins | wizzyrea: you can share them with rangi. |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | :) |
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| 21:10 | cait | jcamins: i think 18 is nice for the night, you can keep it :) |
| 21:12 | * jcamins | sends it anyway. |
| 21:12 | cait | pf |
| 21:12 | * cait | blocks it |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | kf - easy one, 10514 is ready :) |
| 21:20 | cait | hope you are ok with the owen's suggestion? |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | don't think I have a choice, do I. ;) |
| 21:20 | I just hope it solves the problem | |
| 21:20 | which is the text is small and no one sees it | |
| 21:21 | or at least, a nontrivial number of users I've been in contact with miss it | |
| 21:22 | cait | yeah |
| 21:22 | it's an issue in training | |
| 21:23 | rangi | its an issue |
| 21:23 | that it needs training | |
| 21:23 | cait | although i think you probabl yget used to it after doing it for a while |
| 21:23 | rangi | they shouldnt have too |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 21:23 | rangi | every single person cant figure it out |
| 21:23 | that means we did it wrong | |
| 21:23 | cait | yep i agree |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | "why can't I edit the quantity?" |
| 21:23 | rangi | yep |
| 21:23 | cait | it's just not on top of my problme list because at least it works when you know how |
| 21:24 | rangi | for some definition of works |
| 21:24 | acquisitions sux | |
| 21:24 | pianohacker | what's the exact thing under discussion? sorry to butt in |
| 21:24 | cait | maybe we need to make ti more clear that quantity can't be edited too |
| 21:24 | pianohacker | oh god acquisitions nvm |
| 21:24 | cait | figuring it out from 2 sides |
| 21:24 | pianohacker | you're on your own |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 21:24 | rangi | it used to be editable |
| 21:24 | thats what is worse | |
| 21:24 | so it confuses old users upgrading too | |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | it's still editable, i think, if the settings are rignt |
| 21:24 | cait | rangi: it is editable, when you don#t create items |
| 21:24 | the problem is telling the system how the acq item has to look like | |
| 21:25 | rangi | im not sure this patch is any better than now |
| 21:25 | cait | i have no idea so far how to do it in a better way - we could create a defualt item, butthen you would have to update/edit it if you order for another branch |
| 21:25 | it is setting for creating items on receive and in cataloguing | |
| 21:25 | it's only not when you create items on order | |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | does the patch do harm? |
| 21:26 | cait | nope of course not |
| 21:26 | it's just display | |
| 21:26 | and we still need to fix translatability :) | |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | ...I did fix the add item link? |
| 21:27 | ...I think? | |
| 21:27 | cait | i think i gave you wrong advice on this one :( |
| 21:27 | was too tired last night i guess | |
| 21:28 | it's been a hell of a week | |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | ah indeed. |
| 21:28 | well you can put this one away for now then | |
| 21:28 | cait | but owen has promised a follow-up |
| 21:28 | rangi | i think its still too small |
| 21:28 | but its better than it was | |
| 21:28 | id like some text | |
| 21:28 | right below Item | |
| 21:29 | (Fill in the following form and click add, to add 1 item to your order, do this as many times as needed) | |
| 21:29 | because its 2 scrolls from the top of the form to the add buttong | |
| 21:35 | cait | yeah, we are normally using a really short form there |
| 21:35 | only 5-6 fields, less scrolling | |
| 21:36 | bug 10560 passed qa | |
| 21:36 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , No way to disable english |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | out of curiosity, why don't we ship an acq framework? |
| 21:40 | cait | no special reason i think |
| 21:40 | maybe because we don't want to maintain another bibliographic framework? | |
| 21:40 | it's a bit horrible in the current state of things | |
| 21:40 | hopeing marcelr can fix that maybe | |
| 21:43 | gmcharlt | hmm, I wonder if there's any reason not to have the default ACQ framework just be a couple of FA |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | I like where your head's at |
| 21:47 | cait | i think it's used to store the bilbiographic data |
| 21:47 | if you use a fast add | |
| 21:47 | we are going to lose data | |
| 21:48 | if you create orders from z39.50 | |
| 21:48 | you won't need that data necessarily for ordering, but you might want to use it for the catalog | |
| 21:48 | hm | |
| 21:48 | not sure maybe i misunderstood FA | |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | doesn't acquisitions only use the items framework? I honestly don't know |
| 21:49 | cait | i am not totally sure |
| 21:49 | it might use default when saving... we'd have to check some orders | |
| 21:51 | hm looking at my database you might be right wizzyrea | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | if so it would make some sense to use the FA for the items framework. |
| 21:51 | anyway, off to training. ;) | |
| 21:51 | later | |
| 21:52 | cait | hm i think it needs to be separate |
| 21:52 | you need barcode in FA but you don't want it in ACQ - doesn't make sense there | |
| 21:53 | more control using a separate framework, ACQ needs are different | |
| 21:53 | also setting on order to -1 by default etc. | |
| 21:55 | rangi | it might make sense in acq too |
| 21:56 | you can never underestimate what a library will do | |
| 21:56 | cait | only argueing that there are reasons to keep them different |
| 21:56 | rangi | yep |
| 21:56 | cait | more flexibility for 123 :) |
| 21:56 | rangi | id keep them different |
| 21:56 | just ship one that just isnt default :) | |
| 21:56 | gmcharlt | which is why I said "copy of FA" |
| 21:56 | (well, actually I said "couple of FA") :) | |
| 21:57 | * cait | feels like she is being difficult tonight |
| 22:14 | cait | rangi: ok if i copy your suggestion for the text from here on the bug? |
| 22:15 | rangi | go for it |
| 22:15 | cait | cool |
| 22:15 | and with that... i am going to sleep | |
| 22:16 | good night all | |
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| 22:39 | * mtompset | tries to wake up. :) |
| 22:40 | mtompset | I was wondering if my assessment that sudo apt-get koha-deps koha-perldeps makes several files in the install_misc directory obsolete. |
| 22:40 | was correct. | |
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| 23:26 | pianohacker | Good night, #koha |
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| 23:36 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 23:37 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 23:45 | tcohen | hi dcook |
| 23:55 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
| 23:55 | Just missed greeting dcook, it would seem. | |
| 23:55 | let's say I have a book. | |
| 23:55 | it's called something '%happy life%' | |
| 23:56 | now I have multiple branches with that book. | |
| 23:56 | how many biblio records should I have? |
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