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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | eythian | dcook: some of us already do |
| 00:00 | dcook | Eeep! |
| 00:00 | Maybe it's a good thing that I'm over in Oz | |
| 00:00 | I've watched far too much Highlander for this to end well :p | |
| 00:02 | Ohhh...there are hidden inputs but they don't seem to have values... | |
| 00:02 | bag | HA yes yes you can carry a sword - but you've got to use it :) |
| 00:02 | in smart ways that is | |
| 00:02 | dcook | That's how jcamins could've opened that coconut a while ago |
| 00:02 | Katana > hammer | |
| 00:03 | bag | I had dinner with BobB and Irma last night - it was awesome |
| 00:03 | they are good peeps - good peeps | |
| 00:03 | dcook | I had forgotten that they were going to be in the US.. |
| 00:03 | Glad to hear it :) | |
| 00:03 | What'd you have? | |
| 00:03 | bag | they brought a nice book that was big for their kids - for our little Ginny |
| 00:03 | really cool book | |
| 00:04 | I grilled a flank steak, made mash potatoes, and grilled up some summer squash | |
| 00:04 | plus a farmers market salad | |
| 00:04 | dcook | Sounds lovely :) |
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| 00:05 | bag | it was good… except the ginny pie went to sleep before dinner :P … so she didn't get any steak |
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| 00:05 | bag | fly bye larryb'ing |
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| 00:37 | dcook | Rar.. |
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| 00:59 | eythian | http://youtu.be/yd6FLETYZ_c |
| 01:02 | cjh | what am I listening to. |
| 01:03 | dcook | My connection would only allow me a minute of it, but it was amusing.. |
| 01:06 | Why cataloguing interface why... | |
| 01:16 | Hmm, papa isn't around, is he? | |
| 01:18 | bag | dcook: so I'm getting pianohacker as part of his summer internship to write a new cataloging interface |
| 01:18 | dcook | bag++ |
| 01:18 | pianohacker++ | |
| 01:18 | bag | more along the lines of the connexion but more of what people want |
| 01:18 | yeah it's more | |
| 01:18 | pianohacker++ | |
| 01:18 | dcook | So what do people want? |
| 01:19 | bag | all the names we have for it so far are lame - professional catalogers interface PCI - that's lame |
| 01:19 | jcamins | Ponies. |
| 01:19 | bag | we should call it light-rangi |
| 01:19 | :P | |
| 01:19 | dcook | jcamins: Unicorns? |
| 01:19 | jcamins | dcook: right. |
| 01:19 | That's what I meant. | |
| 01:19 | bag | oh ponies or unicorns is good |
| 01:19 | dcook | No reason a person can't have both |
| 01:19 | jcamins | See, I live in an apartment in New York City, so a pony is impossible enough. |
| 01:19 | eythian | dcook: doesn't seem to be |
| 01:20 | bag | so when one checks an item in - onloan field for items is set to NULL? |
| 01:20 | dcook | Hmm |
| 01:20 | bag | yes that was a question |
| 01:20 | heh | |
| 01:21 | dcook | bag: Probably. I haven't looked at the circulation code in a while. |
| 01:22 | jcamins | bag: it is supposed to be. However, there was a bug for a while (and possibly still is) that resulted in it not getting set to NULL properly. |
| 01:26 | bag | I wish I had more peanut butter M&M's |
| 01:27 | ok thanks jcamins I was wondering | |
| 01:32 | dcook | I wish I had...pizza, hazelnut chocolate, a decent internet connection, and...blue skies :) |
| 01:32 | Or all the time in the world | |
| 01:32 | Actually, I'd prefer all the time in the world | |
| 01:32 | * jcamins | has foccaccia. |
| 01:33 | dcook | Mmm, that sounds even better |
| 01:33 | jcamins | Coconut-cranberry balls. |
| 01:33 | dcook | Well, not better than the time...but better than theo thers |
| 01:33 | Hmm | |
| 01:33 | jcamins | I was expecting cookies, but that didn't quite happen. |
| 01:33 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:33 | I had a few too many cranberry cookies once upon a time | |
| 01:33 | jcamins | But they are delicious. |
| 01:33 | dcook | My dad has/had a side business as a baker |
| 01:33 | Too many cranberry cookies that weren't able to be sold... | |
| 01:34 | Damn, now I want chocolate chip cookies.. | |
| 01:34 | jcamins | I baked brownies the other day. |
| 01:37 | And I also made rosemary chocolate oat clusters. | |
| 01:37 | Actually, that may have been a week ago, because it was very hot. | |
| 01:38 | dcook | Rosemary chocolate oat clusters? |
| 01:38 | Those are four of my favourite words all together.. | |
| 01:38 | jcamins | So good! |
| 01:38 | dcook | They sound so good! |
| 01:38 | jcamins | http://dessert.food.com/recipe[…]eal-cookies-23821 |
| 01:39 | Like those, only steep rosemary in the milk first. | |
| 01:39 | Actually, I use powdered milk for that kind of thing. Don't have to worry about scalding it. | |
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| 01:49 | dcook | Quick question...how do folks print out debugging info? |
| 01:49 | Data::Dumper or another easier way? | |
| 01:50 | jcamins: I might have to make those this weekend... | |
| 01:50 | jcamins | Data::Dumper. |
| 01:50 | eythian | dcook: quick and dirty, ususally D::D |
| 01:50 | dcook | Cool beans. Merci :) |
| 01:51 | Oh...I have an idea.. | |
| 01:56 | Didn't need to print anything. Went with a hunch, and me thinks it was a good one. | |
| 01:58 | The original bug was that changing the framework while duplicating a record caused all the MARC fields to be cleared | |
| 01:58 | Fixed that...but if you made changes and changed the framework, your changes got nixed | |
| 01:59 | Added in an input to say that the framework had been changed, and it used the posted changed data rather than the data from the database :) | |
| 01:59 | Perhaps a minor win but I think a win nonetheless.. | |
| 02:14 | Apparently VirtualBox eventually downloaded...O_o | |
| 02:26 | eythian: Would it still be MTU related if it was just incredibly slow? | |
| 02:27 | eythian | not typically |
| 02:27 | try running mtr on the host that's slow, maybe you've got serious packet loss somewhere. | |
| 02:27 | dcook | mtr? |
| 02:27 | Mm, that's a command? | |
| 02:27 | eythian | yes |
| 02:28 | and by 'on' I really mean 'against' | |
| 02:28 | it's stort of like traceroute. | |
| 02:28 | -t | |
| 02:28 | dcook | Apparently I don't have it installed :/ |
| 02:28 | eythian | you'll need to install it, yes |
| 02:29 | dcook | Thwarted once again by not having root access |
| 02:29 | eythian | ah |
| 02:29 | dcook | We switched the desktops over to a slower internet connection recently, but this is rather brutal... |
| 02:29 | eythian | you probably have traceroute or tracepath or something, they may help get an idea |
| 02:30 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. The next general meeting is 10 July 2013 at 10:00 UTC. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes | |
| 02:30 | jcamins | dcook: you should get root on your VM. It's very helpful for development. |
| 02:31 | dcook | jcamins: Precisely my thought as well. Hence why I downloaded Virtualbox. |
| 02:31 | eythian | or just break root on your workstation. Not having it is a bit silly. |
| 02:31 | dcook | But...if I can't download anything...then I can't really set up a decent VM |
| 02:31 | Unless I just take an image of what I have at home and bring it in | |
| 02:31 | jcamins | dcook: oh, I thought you were upgrading. |
| 02:31 | dcook | eythian: I agree about the silliness. |
| 02:31 | jcamins | dcook: but bringing in the image might be a good idea. |
| 02:32 | dcook | Yeah, I have an actual Debian server at home, but I could make an image of it, then load it up into VirtualBox here |
| 02:32 | eythian | dcook: just drop into the bootload, change the kernel command line to be 'init=/usr/bin/bash' and you have a root shell you can use to add yourself to sudoers. |
| 02:33 | dcook | Or maybe even use the current Debian VM I have on my netbook...although it probably needs to be updated |
| 02:33 | eythian | Anyone have any idea why relevance sorting would tend to just sort by biblionumber? |
| 02:34 | jcamins | eythian: yeah, relevance sorting doesn't work. |
| 02:34 | cjh | heh |
| 02:34 | eythian | that's not ideal. |
| 02:34 | any way to make it work? | |
| 02:34 | dcook | I always suspected that it didn't work.. |
| 02:35 | jcamins | Convince some to pay for it? |
| 02:35 | *someone | |
| 02:36 | mtompset | I use VirtualBox on Windows for my development. :) |
| 02:36 | * dcook | likes eythian's craftiness and jcamins good sense |
| 02:36 | dcook | Yeah, mtompset, that's what I've been thinking recently. |
| 02:37 | mtompset | I think the idea of bringing in the image makes complete sense, because a 3 hour setup time just plain sucks. |
| 02:37 | dcook | At the moment, I ssh into a dev server, but I may as well just have my own dev VM |
| 02:37 | mtompset | I have a really nice desktop at home, but when I go into the office, I use my netbook that I was using in the Philippines. |
| 02:37 | O THE PAIN! | |
| 02:37 | dcook | You develop on a netbook? |
| 02:38 | mtompset | Yes. Yes, I have. |
| 02:38 | dcook | I have a VM on my little Asus eeePC, but that was mostly so I could do something productive when I was sitting in my uni classes :p |
| 02:38 | How big is the screen/keyboard? | |
| 02:38 | mtompset | I have an Asus 1015PEM? I think. |
| 02:39 | When I go into the office, I plug in a monitor and keyboard. | |
| 02:39 | So, I don't feel constrained that way. | |
| 02:39 | eythian | jcamins: what is it about it that doesn't work? |
| 02:40 | mtompset | And it works pretty well... just don't expect to set up a VM quickly. |
| 02:40 | What makes me cry is I can set up the same thing on my desktop in less than 20 minutes. | |
| 02:40 | dcook | Yeah, it took me hours to set up that Debian VM the first time on my netbook |
| 02:40 | Mind you, that was also my first time ever installing Linux :p | |
| 02:40 | "*Complimentary one-year trial of ASUS WebStorage." | |
| 02:41 | Being complimented for a year could be nice... | |
| 02:42 | mtompset | I didn't use it. I still don't trust cloud computing. :P |
| 02:42 | eythian | mtompset: been playing with git-annex assistant recently. It's quite neat. |
| 02:42 | does that sort of thing, except you have control over how and where your data goes. | |
| 02:42 | jcamins | eythian: the criteria do not make sense, the query is built only vaguely correctly, and anything more complicated than a one-word keyword search isn't handled anyway. |
| 02:43 | eythian | In this case, it's not even trying. It's sorting strictly by biblionumber. |
| 02:44 | I'm sure it used to do something sorta sensible. | |
| 02:44 | dcook | This traceroute stuff is wild |
| 02:44 | Apparently I go through Hong Kong to get to koha-community.org... | |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea | where else would you go through? Africa? |
| 02:44 | eythian | which URL of koha-community.org specifically? |
| 02:45 | dcook | wizzyrea: I was thinking the US |
| 02:45 | eythian | because it's hosted in different places depending on what server you hit |
| 02:45 | dcook | www.koha-community.org |
| 02:45 | wahanui | www.koha-community.org is back, thanks to wizzyrea_away and her super effort |
| 02:45 | dcook | li190-89.members.linode.com |
| 02:45 | * wizzyrea | notes that koha-community.org is in London |
| 02:45 | eythian | that's hosted in the UK |
| 02:45 | dcook | Yep |
| 02:45 | * mtompset | grumbles. |
| 02:45 | eythian | so it makes sense it'd go through asia, that's shorter. |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | hong kong is a lot closer than the US :P |
| 02:46 | mtompset | Cursed encryption isn't decrypting properly. |
| 02:46 | dcook | With all that PRISM stuff, I was reading that a route isn't always the shortest |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea | not if you're in the US ::P |
| 02:46 | mtompset | What sort of encryption garbles the first few bytes and gets the rest correct?! |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea | the cursed kind? |
| 02:46 | eythian | mtompset: that would be unexpected. |
| 02:47 | dcook | So it goes Australia -> Hong Kong -> London |
| 02:47 | eythian | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]elevance-in-koha/ <-- this contradicts you a little bit, jcamins. and I'm sure it's done more than sort by biblionumber. |
| 02:48 | jcamins | eythian: I was simplifying because I don't give a rats ass, but I was summarizing what it has done since 3.4. |
| 02:48 | mtompset | It is... in my PHP, I JSON, encrypted, and the Bin2Hex. In my perl I unpack, decrypt, and de-JSON... But the decrypt isn't matching, even though the PHP hexified string matches the hexified string received in Perl. |
| 02:49 | jcamins | *rat's |
| 02:59 | eythian | wahanui: relevance ranking is broken by QueryAutoTruncate |
| 02:59 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 02:59 | mtompset | Finally tweaked in into working. YAY! |
| 03:01 | dcook | Hmm, scathing comment on the blog |
| 03:02 | eythian | I need to learn how zebra works in more detail at some stage. It's still a bit too foreign to me. |
| 03:03 | dcook | eythian++ |
| 03:03 | Hard without a project though, eh? | |
| 03:04 | eythian | that and time, yeah |
| 03:04 | dcook | If only we had all zee time |
| 03:06 | Interesting how Libranto appears in IRC once in 2011 and then pops up to post on ByWater's blog in 2013 | |
| 03:07 | I wonder how many people are out there using (or secretly hating) on Koha without any of us being the wiser | |
| 03:08 | eythian | heh, so the default (non-package) init script for zebrasrv fails on a restart if it wasn't already running. That's a bit dumb. |
| 03:09 | (mine you, the init script I have here is very old, so it's possibly fixed now.) | |
| 03:11 | * dcook | thinks the rain should stop and the sun should come out so his clothes dry... |
| 03:11 | dcook | eythian: That does sound dumb :/ |
| 03:12 | trea | o/ |
| 03:13 | cjh | o/*\o |
| 03:13 | trea | what would cause search results to differ between staff and opac searches? aside from opacsupression, which isn't enabled in this case. |
| 03:15 | dcook | default sorting would make it look different |
| 03:15 | * dcook | tries to remember if there are different preferences for the opac and staff client.. |
| 03:15 | trea | i'm getting results in the staff client, but not in the opac |
| 03:16 | dcook | Huh.. |
| 03:16 | Yeah, opacsuppression was the culprit last time that happened to me | |
| 03:16 | trea | that is, i'm only seeing a few items in the opac with the same criterion |
| 03:16 | when there should be hundreds | |
| 03:17 | nothing of consequence in the opacuserjs that would cause this that i can see | |
| 03:17 | dcook | I've never used Pazpar2 but maybe something with that? |
| 03:17 | trea | yeah, not sure that applies in this case |
| 03:18 | dcook | Certainly interesting. I'm not sure what it could be. Maybe put in some debugging code to see what is being sent to Zebra in both cases? |
| 03:19 | And/or what's received | |
| 03:19 | So you can see if it's an issue with the search query or with Koha displaying the results. | |
| 03:19 | trea | right. certainly a good point |
| 03:30 | mtompset | Libranto? |
| 03:32 | eythian: Ubuntu fails to restart the zebra daemon correctly. I installed sys-rc-conf? (I think that's the name), and made sure that 2,3,4,5 were checked. It started up on reboot after that. | |
| 03:33 | And I recall a Debian friend of my complaining about Ubuntu people fixing things in Debian, when in reality they were breaking it -- because he had fixed it before. | |
| 03:34 | eythian | It definitly configures itself for levels 2,3,4,5 in Debian. I'd expect that to work in Ubuntu, but I haven't tried that for a little while. |
| 03:34 | Which Ubuntu version? | |
| 03:34 | mtompset | 12.04 |
| 03:35 | init.d scripts are partly busted I think. :( | |
| 03:35 | eythian | howso? |
| 03:35 | I know it's moving to upstart, but that shouldn't really break anything. | |
| 03:36 | mtompset | Can't tell you, because I just fought it till it worked. :) |
| 03:37 | eythian | It's worth noting that no one else has mentioned it, so it might not be the packages :) |
| 03:39 | though, I'm not convinced that the init scripts should be starting up at position 01 in the process. I wonder if there are situations where that would cause issues. | |
| 03:40 | you don't happen to have /var on it's own filesystem do you? | |
| 03:40 | mtompset | Not on my local VMs. |
| 03:40 | Not sure about the QA/production sites. | |
| 03:41 | I think I'll try to fix my log out before going to bed. | |
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| 03:51 | eythian | hi cait |
| 03:51 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 03:51 | wizzyrea | cait is up early |
| 03:52 | mtompset | Wheeee! log out fixed. :) |
| 03:54 | Greetings, cait. | |
| 03:55 | cjh | cait: \o |
| 03:55 | eythian | cait: go back to bed! |
| 03:58 | dcook | 5:58am... |
| 03:58 | * dcook | blinks |
| 03:59 | dcook | You should've seen me at 7:30 this morning |
| 03:59 | I think I was making a blanket fort... | |
| 04:03 | cait | heh |
| 04:07 | sounds tempting | |
| 04:07 | dcook | It was pretty awesome ^_^ |
| 04:07 | Alas, I had to get up eventually | |
| 04:08 | I admire your...stalwart ability to get up early ;) | |
| 04:14 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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| 04:18 | * Oak | waves |
| 04:46 | dcook | Are we talking about the 1990s? |
| 04:46 | No, the 1890s. | |
| 04:47 | cjh | have to go see portland. |
| 04:48 | TIL 1890 is like 1920 but with more hats and tattoos. | |
| 04:50 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:50 | Yeah, I really want to go to Portland sometime. | |
| 04:50 | I meant to go a couple times with some different people but it never materialized. | |
| 04:50 | I suppose I could go when I'm in Vancouver post-Kohacon... | |
| 04:51 | Google says it's only a 5 hour 14 minute car trip... | |
| 04:51 | 9 hours 20 minutes from Reno | |
| 04:51 | Perhaps not practical for a day trip :p | |
| 04:53 | wizzyrea | heh the US is huuge. |
| 04:54 | cjh | dcook: could be a good jog |
| 04:57 | dcook | I was planning to get new runners anyway... |
| 04:57 | wizzyrea: So bigggg | |
| 04:57 | Like Canada | |
| 04:57 | Montreal and Vancouver really need a lightspeed tunnel or teleporters... | |
| 04:57 | Connecting each other (and Sydney) | |
| 04:58 | (Sydney, Australia...not Sydney, Nova Scotia...) | |
| 04:58 | (No offense to Sydney, Nova Scotia...) | |
| 04:58 | Offence? | |
| 04:58 | cjh | one of them. |
| 04:58 | wahanui | rumour has it one of them is bound to have a good idea ;) |
| 04:59 | dcook | Apparently offence outside the US |
| 04:59 | Oh English... | |
| 04:59 | wahanui | it has been said that english is spoken @ BibLibre :) |
| 04:59 | wizzyrea | of fence |
| 04:59 | offense | |
| 04:59 | dcook | There's a difference between practise and practice but not offense and offence... |
| 04:59 | cjh | offence |
| 04:59 | wizzyrea | c/s z/c |
| 04:59 | cjh | of fense |
| 04:59 | wizzyrea: you dun goofed. | |
| 05:00 | wizzyrea | offense is like, what you do in american football |
| 05:00 | cjh | I hate english, practise/practise, affect/effect, to/two/too.... |
| 05:00 | wizzyrea | practise/practise? |
| 05:00 | LOL | |
| 05:00 | cjh | lol |
| 05:00 | wizzyrea: almost as bad as your slip up :p | |
| 05:00 | it is 5pm, that is too late to be typing in public. | |
| 05:01 | druthb | it is 00:01 here. Much too late. |
| 05:02 | dcook | 3:02pm...almost too late |
| 05:02 | cjh | druthb: do you guys have 'sleep' in your country? |
| 05:03 | mtj | cjh, choose/chose is another silly one |
| 05:03 | druthb | I don't know about the *guys* in my country. This girl has sleep, yes, but lately, it's been...troubled, and irregular. |
| 05:04 | cjh | druthb: inclusive pronoun I promise, and sorry to hear that :( |
| 05:04 | druthb | :P |
| 05:04 | dcook | Boo troubled sleep :( |
| 05:04 | druthb | Just poking you, cjh. I had an unintended 3-hour nap after I got off work...fell asleep in the recliner with a fuzzy cat on my lap. |
| 05:05 | wizzyrea: Did you hear that Pixel and I will be going it alone soon? | |
| 05:06 | Lindsey is apartment-hunting in Dallas; she will be taking Captain Midnight with her. | |
| 05:07 | There's just a lot on my mind lately--about to be an empty-nester, among other upheavals in my life lately. | |
| 05:08 | bag | why's she moving up that way? |
| 05:09 | druthb | She's ready to bust out on her own; she'll be moving in with her younger sis Libby, and Lib's boyfriend. |
| 05:09 | bag | ah that's why dallas |
| 05:09 | :) | |
| 05:09 | druthb | yah. |
| 05:09 | bag | hey druthb do you have some time when you are at work tomorrow to chat? |
| 05:10 | druthb | Tomorrow is going to be moderately busy--a preso to do for a lunch-and-learn, and a meeting later in the afternoon, but I'll be around some. |
| 05:10 | bag | cool give me a ping when you've got about 5 minutes |
| 05:10 | thanks :D | |
| 05:10 | druthb | okie. |
| 05:10 | The preso will be about...hm..9 am, your time, and the meeting is at 3, your time. Late day, for me. | |
| 05:11 | Probably between the two. | |
| 05:11 | bag | :) |
| 05:38 | cait | bbl |
| 05:38 | well..t onight :) | |
| 05:38 | dcook | ta cait\ |
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| 05:47 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 06:05 | druthb | good morning, drojf |
| 06:06 | drojf | hi druthb |
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| 06:08 | * druthb | heads for bed. Be well, all. |
| 06:10 | drojf | good night druthb_away |
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| 06:13 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 06:27 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:28 | dac | hey ya reiveune |
| 06:32 | reiveune | salut dcook |
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| 07:05 | * dcook | has missed working on Koha... |
| 07:05 | waves to Biblibre folks :) | |
| 07:05 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:06 | dcook | hey ya magnuse :) |
| 07:06 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
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| 07:11 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:11 | dcook | hey ya gaetan_B :) |
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| 07:15 | dcook | Time for me to call it a night |
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| 08:21 | rangi | evening |
| 08:22 | cjh | evening :) |
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| 08:30 | AmitG | heya mtj |
| 08:30 | Papa around? | |
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| 10:31 | rangi | self check? |
| 10:31 | wahanui | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4 |
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| 11:41 | jwagner | morning |
| 11:41 | libsysguy | morning jwagner |
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| 12:27 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:48 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 12:49 | * oleonard | 's power is about to go out... |
| 12:49 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
| 12:52 | jcamins | oleonard: again? |
| 12:52 | oleonard | "temporary emergency outage" announced earlier. |
| 12:53 | Dyrcona | oleonard: Where do you live? |
| 12:53 | jcamins | I suppose that's one way to balance a budget... |
| 12:53 | Dyrcona | heh. |
| 12:53 | oleonard | Southeast Ohio |
| 12:54 | Dyrcona | Just aksing 'cause you seem to have a lot of these emergency power outages. |
| 12:55 | oleonard | Really not so many. |
| 12:55 | Dyrcona | More than you should have, which is 0. |
| 12:55 | * oleonard | hears the UPS's complaints increase their pace |
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| 13:03 | marcelr | bug 9788 |
| 13:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improvements for calling GetReservesFromItemnumber |
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| 13:33 | marcelr | just testing: marcel marcelr test ignore |
| 13:33 | hmm | |
| 13:33 | agressive notify? | |
| 13:33 | jcamins | marcelr: would you like someone else to highlight you? |
| 13:34 | marcelr | that worked btw |
| 13:34 | changing prefs in chatzilla :) | |
| 13:34 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 13:39 | tcohen | marcelr marcelr |
| 13:39 | marcelr | beep worked :) |
| 13:44 | drojf | beep? |
| 13:44 | good luck with that | |
| 13:44 | marcelr | |
| 13:44 | marcelr | hi drojf; can always disable it again.. |
| 13:45 | drojf | you will. soon. :P |
| 13:45 | marcelr | barely hear it btw |
| 13:45 | * jcamins | starts chanting "marcelr." |
| 13:45 | marcelr | so should be little bit awake |
| 13:45 | drojf | maybe we can teach wahanui to reply to something with a sequence of mentions that plays a song ;) |
| 13:46 | marcelr | wahanui: where are you? |
| 13:46 | wahanui | i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow. |
| 13:48 | marcelr | kf is not here today |
| 13:48 | just found a nice german word | |
| 13:49 | drojf: Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz | |
| 13:49 | jcamins | Gesundheit! |
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| 13:50 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 13:50 | marcelr | hello samueld |
| 13:50 | just saw your logfiles :) | |
| 13:51 | samueld | hi marcel |
| 13:51 | yes, it makes me crazy, i don't find the solution | |
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| 14:31 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10406: memove div and more obsolete CSS related to YUI autocomplete <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b19c7f5929fa7ea50> |
| 14:41 | marcelr | memove? |
| 14:43 | tcohen | the patch author must be some latino with typing problems or smth |
| 14:51 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 9370: improve splitting of LC call numbers for labels <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a7fa59eff61e0cfc1> / bug 9370: add invalid call number to LC splitting test cases <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f73d7bed20434b8ec> / bug 9370: test case for splitting LC call number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p= |
| 14:55 | marcelr | gmcharlt: what is actually the status of 7167? |
| 14:56 | (apart from does not apply anymore :) | |
| 14:56 | oops | |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | marcelr: being sat upon, at the moment -- it is a huge patch which I haven't reviewed in detail yet |
| 14:56 | marcelr | ok; still have my doubts though |
| 14:57 | gmcharlt | I've long had reservations about it too |
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| 14:58 | gmcharlt | basically because while the updatedatabase.pl mechanism has been a source of pain for developers and testers, it seems to be nearly worry-free for users |
| 14:59 | marcelr | it just seems to be a little too complicated for a dev passing by.. |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | marcelr: from my POV, it might suffice to simply say (as a matter of policy) that the RM will take resopnsibility for integrating schema changes |
| 15:01 | i.e., that no patch would get rejected simply because of a merge conflict in updatedatabase.pl | |
| 15:01 | marcelr | that is clear |
| 15:02 | but maybe we are not talking about the same | |
| 15:05 | gmcharlt | yeah -- my starting point is that I think there are policy changes we can make (or state more clearly) that would obviate the need for such a drastic change to the schema update process |
| 15:08 | marcelr | have to go now, bye #koha |
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| 15:15 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:20 | jcamins | drojf: Any idea what "DRUCK_ORT" stands for? "Printing [something]" I think. |
| 15:20 | Could it be place? | |
| 15:21 | drojf | yes it is. place or location |
| 15:23 | jcamins | Interesting. |
| 15:23 | wahanui | rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 15:23 | jcamins | Apparently Czech cataloging has gone even further in the 151->152 shift and deleted 151 altogether. |
| 15:25 | drojf | the what shift? |
| 15:26 | jcamins | To hierarchical place names. |
| 15:26 | From non-hierarchical. | |
| 15:26 | tcohen | too much work + fernet during weekend + being 122 = dates mixup |
| 15:26 | drojf | ah! i should take more marc history classes :) |
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| 15:30 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:31 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 15:31 | jcamins | Though I find the redefinition of 752 as place of publication somewhat surprising. |
| 15:31 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen jcamins. |
| 15:43 | who redefined it, jcamins? | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | DNB, presumably. |
| 15:45 | mtompset | DNB? |
| 15:45 | jcamins | Or NKCR |
| 15:46 | mtompset | Some business credit bureau or railway line? |
| 15:48 | libsysguy | jcamins http://osrc.dfm.io/jcamins |
| 15:49 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:50 | jcamins | German and Czech national libraries |
| 15:51 | mtompset | Okay, that was part of my other guess for DNB... but thank you for the clarification. :) |
| 15:53 | PHP, jcamins? I thought most people here disliked PHP. | |
| 15:55 | That's a cool link, libsysguy. | |
| 15:55 | jcamins | libsysguy: interesting. |
| 15:55 | wahanui | well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 15:56 | jcamins | mtompset: I don't know about most people, but _I_ certainly dislike PHP. |
| 15:56 | mtompset | If you dislike it, then why are you using it? |
| 15:57 | jcamins | mtompset: variety in my misery? |
| 15:57 | libsysguy | he lost a bet mtompset |
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| 15:58 | mtompset | I like libsysguy's explanation better. ;) |
| 15:58 | jcamins | libsysguy: no, that's why you use emacs. :P |
| 15:58 | mtompset | Ooooo.... burn! |
| 15:58 | Off to lunch... | |
| 15:59 | libsysguy | ouch |
| 15:59 | I was tortured at a young age | |
| 15:59 | stockholm syndrom | |
| 16:03 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Isn't it a wee bit early in NZ? |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | yep |
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| 16:12 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 16:12 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009) |
| 16:13 | jcamins | Heh. Very appropriate just seconds after a netsplit. |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea | pianohacker: witty since forever. |
| 16:15 | pianohacker | woohah, witty by proxy |
| 16:27 | tcohen | wizzyrea: what time is it where you r? |
| 16:28 | wizzyrea | 4:27am |
| 16:30 | bag | HA I did add a quote as brendan YAY! |
| 16:30 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: My goodness what are you doing awake? |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | I woke up and couldn't go back to sleep |
| 16:31 | :) | |
| 16:31 | might as well do work | |
| 16:37 | liw | sometimes the very early hours of morning are an excellent time to get large amounts of work done: you're somewhat rested, you're not yet hungry, your mind is clear, and best of all, nobody else is awake to bother and distract you |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | it's better than lying in bed fretting about not being asleep :P |
| 16:39 | :) I meant | |
| 16:39 | liw++ so true | |
| 16:48 | druthb | o/ |
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| 16:57 | talljoy | wizzyrea you are up early? or late? |
| 16:57 | hi druthb! | |
| 16:59 | druthb | Hi, talljoy! :) |
| 16:59 | talljoy | how's houston? hot and muggy yet? |
| 16:59 | druthb | very hot and muggy, yes |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | early |
| 17:35 | tcohen | don't u have a ps3 wizzyrea? |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea | hm not anymore |
| 17:36 | actually, currently we have 0 gaming consoles | |
| 17:37 | does anyone know where you configure the network printing? | |
| 17:37 | besides he-who-shall-not-be-named-for-fear-of-waking-him-up | |
| 17:37 | tcohen | http://localhost:641 |
| 17:38 | s/4/3/ | |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | well I meant in Koha - where you define the printers that it should use |
| 17:38 | if you are doing network printing | |
| 17:40 | tcohen | if you haven't found it, then it is an usability bug |
| 17:40 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think you apply the patch and it just works. It adds a network printer page in admin or tools. |
| 17:41 | Ah- if you're a superlibrarian. | |
| 17:42 | (I think) | |
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| 17:44 | wizzyrea | oh - I guess the restoration patch hasn't gotten in yet. |
| 17:44 | that restores all of that. | |
| 17:44 | people keep removing it :( | |
| 17:46 | jcamins | wizzyrea: it's still the original restoration patch that is stalled, I think. |
| 17:48 | * cait | waves |
| 17:48 | cait | what patch are you talking about? |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | bug 8034 |
| 17:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8034 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Enable server print queue selection |
| 17:49 | jcamins | I thought I signed off on that. |
| 17:49 | cait | ah |
| 17:49 | hm | |
| 17:49 | jcamins | Possibly twice. |
| 17:53 | wizzyrea | you did |
| 17:53 | * jcamins | makes a mental note to go for a third time. |
| 17:54 | mtompset | Third time's a charm. ;) |
| 17:54 | tcohen | gmcharlt: have you successfully reproduced bug 10311 |
| 17:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10311 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Holds queue ignores item-level holds where only one items exists |
| 17:54 | tcohen | ? |
| 17:54 | mtompset | Greetings, cait wizzyrea. :) |
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| 17:55 | wizzyrea | tbh, if nekls saw it, it exists. |
| 17:56 | but I see thta wasn't a NEKLS one | |
| 18:13 | tcohen | khall around? |
| 18:13 | gmcharlt | tcohen: yes, I did |
| 18:14 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10432 - Display of enabled status on course list is not accessible <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b3fca5b6480e10f92> |
| 18:14 | tcohen | thanks gmcharlt, i'll re-check then |
| 18:14 | couldn't fix the problem with the patch | |
| 18:14 | (on 3.12) | |
| 18:23 | gmcharlt: i should look for it here, right? http://koha-dev.biblioadmin/cg[…]iew_holdsqueue.pl | |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | tcohen - you see the problem? |
| 18:24 | tcohen | i see the problem |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | or you don't see the problem? |
| 18:24 | but the patch doesn't fix it? | |
| 18:24 | gmcharlt | tcohen: yes, that's where to look |
| 18:24 | tcohen | i don't see it fixed with the patch |
| 18:24 | gmcharlt | tcohen: you are rerunning the holdsqueue cronjob, right? |
| 18:25 | tcohen | misc/cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl |
| 18:25 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 18:27 | tcohen | any special pref to set? |
| 18:28 | wizzyrea | what's the condition of the hold you have on? |
| 18:28 | gmcharlt | tcohen: OPACItemHolds, natch |
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| 18:29 | tcohen | i placed the hold from the staff interface |
| 18:29 | on behalf of the user | |
| 18:30 | wizzyrea | it is item level? |
| 18:31 | tcohen | it is |
| 18:31 | * wizzyrea | has to "get up" soon |
| 18:32 | gmcharlt | tcohen: priority > 0, found is null? |
| 18:33 | tcohen | is zebra involved somehow? |
| 18:33 | (its off right now) | |
| 18:33 | wizzyrea | shouldn't be |
| 18:34 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 18:34 | so without patch, you run the cronjob, the item-level hold doesn't display in the hold queue report | |
| 18:34 | correct? | |
| 18:34 | tcohen | correct |
| 18:34 | gmcharlt | and after applying the patch and running the cronjob, what do you see (or not see)? |
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| 18:35 | tcohen | http://snag.gy/J6St5.jpg |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | and the hold queue? |
| 18:36 | wahanui | it has been said that the hold queue is fuckered enough as it is :P |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | too right. |
| 18:36 | tcohen | http://snag.gy/791O4.jpg |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | item home library is midway? |
| 18:38 | tcohen | http://snag.gy/zrCDg.jpg |
| 18:38 | it is wizzyrea | |
| 18:38 | wizzyrea | hm indeed |
| 18:38 | oh | |
| 18:38 | it's checked out | |
| 18:38 | it won't show on the hold queue if it's out | |
| 18:39 | check it in and then try :) | |
| 18:39 | i.e. it's not available to fill a hold right now | |
| 18:39 | so it's not on the list | |
| 18:39 | tcohen | you're not that asleep wizzyrea |
| 18:40 | you tricked us | |
| 18:40 | drnoe | does anyone have any information to share on the configuration of indexes using DOM (as opposed to GRS-1): i.e. how to create new indexes or add tags to existing indexes? |
| 18:40 | tcohen | it worked :-D |
| 18:40 | * wizzyrea | whistles innocently |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 18:40 | yay, and now I have to get up and get ready for the day | |
| 18:40 | drojf | drnoe: there is something on the wiki, but it has a lot of errors unfortunately |
| 18:41 | tcohen | thanks wizzyrea and gmcharlt |
| 18:41 | pianohacker | does DOM use some XSLT nonsense? |
| 18:41 | drojf | (or: it had when i last checked… and gave up setting up DOM indexing for "fun") |
| 18:42 | bag | @seen hankbank |
| 18:42 | huginn | bag: hankbank was last seen in #koha 17 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 20 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <hankbank> yo |
| 18:42 | drojf | drnoe: but adding fields is not too complicated. i think just looking at the respective files should give you an ideahow to do that |
| 18:44 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: XSLT is inherent to how the DOM filter works in Zebra |
| 18:45 | pianohacker | figured as much. |
| 18:45 | drojf | drnoe: i added indexes to GRS-1 and DOM for bug 9972, maybe having a look at that might be useful |
| 18:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM) |
| 18:56 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I had a thought about indexing... what would you think about adding a command line variable-controlled xsl:include to koha-indexdefs? |
| 18:57 | It seems like that might be helpful for people who are making minor customizations to the DOM indexing configuration. | |
| 18:57 | gmcharlt | jcamins: seems reasonable |
| 18:58 | jcamins | I was also thinking of a pass-through mode for XSLT. |
| 19:04 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10297 - categorycode and branchcode should be required when adding patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d052fc529c6495d71> |
| 19:06 | pianohacker | pass-through mode? |
| 19:06 | jcamins | pianohacker: right, to allow for writing the XSLT directly. |
| 19:07 | Easily. | |
| 19:08 | Naturally you can do it right now by editing the build output. | |
| 19:08 | drnoe | I am way in over my head at this point, but would the index name be in a drop-down (something similar) or would the user need to know the index name? |
| 19:08 | cait | i thnk te index name would be user defined on command line |
| 19:08 | i think? | |
| 19:09 | orwould we have an interface? | |
| 19:09 | drojf | drnoe: you can add that with jquery |
| 19:09 | if you mean add it as a search option | |
| 19:10 | jcamins | You'd add it with jQuery, and define it for the parser, either in C4::Search or queryparser.yaml, depending. |
| 19:16 | drnoe | really sorry here, but in what files do I need to be looking for adding tags to an index when using DOM? ~/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl ? |
| 19:17 | jcamins | biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml is the one you'd edit, then you'd generate biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl. |
| 19:18 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 19:23 | drnoe | jcamins: generate (biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl) when indexing? |
| 19:23 | jcamins | drnoe: no, after making your changes. Take a look at the top of the file for instructions. |
| 19:23 | drnoe | roger. wilco |
| 19:24 | jcamins | It's an xsltproc command. The hard part is remembering which order the arguments go in. |
| 19:28 | drnoe | ah, you mean the clear instructions I totally overlooked...(in my own defence, this is the first time I have looked that any of this). The easy part is making sure I document all of this. |
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| 19:38 | libsysguy | dpavlin around? |
| 19:38 | cait | he doesn't pay much attnetion to irc - maybe try an email :) |
| 19:38 | and hi libsysguy | |
| 19:38 | libsysguy | I was just reading one of his repos on github |
| 19:39 | and hi cait | |
| 19:39 | :P | |
| 19:41 | * druthb | chucks skittles at libsysguy |
| 19:41 | * libsysguy | ducks |
| 19:41 | ducks out for the day, actually | |
| 19:41 | libsysguy | see you guys tomorrow |
| 19:42 | rangi | *sigh* |
| 19:42 | druthb | *snrk* |
| 19:42 | libsysguy | aww rangi missed me |
| 19:42 | :p | |
| 19:43 | rangi | lemme just say this again |
| 19:43 | self check? | |
| 19:43 | wahanui | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4 |
| 19:43 | druthb | I'll be seeing libsysguy shortly for dinner with the boss—anyone want me to put a "kick me" sign on him? |
| 19:44 | cait | um... now that you ask... |
| 19:45 | jcamins | The first All-Russian Exhibition and Conference on Sheepherding was on 20-25 September 1912. |
| 19:45 | Thought you all might want to know. | |
| 19:45 | cait | lol |
| 19:49 | drnoe | jcamins: so the next question is where to add/edit target indexes called in biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml? |
| 19:50 | pianohacker | rangi: what are you dealing with self-check machines for |
| 19:50 | jcamins | pianohacker: his sins. |
| 19:50 | drnoe: same deal as with GRS-1, so you can add Bib-1 attributes, or not, as you like. | |
| 19:50 | pianohacker | sins that potent normally get a mob sent after you, not a 3M representative |
| 19:51 | rangi | pianohacker: lots of our koha clients use them, they are so incredibly fragile |
| 19:51 | did you know you can make a 3m machine crash | |
| 19:51 | pianohacker | rangi: amen to that |
| 19:51 | rangi | if you send a checkout suceeded response |
| 19:51 | pianohacker | hah! did you look at it funny again? |
| 19:51 | wtf | |
| 19:51 | rangi | that doesnt have a due date |
| 19:51 | * cait | is not surprised |
| 19:55 | drojf | so? write a new checkout machine firmware. like rockbox, for 3m machines :P |
| 19:56 | make it do pong too, like rockbox | |
| 19:56 | jcamins | drojf: I was thinking rPi-based. |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | drojf: The hardware in those things is proprietary as fuck |
| 19:57 | drojf | a whole machine instead of the other thing? wpuld probably work |
| 19:57 | rangi | been done |
| 19:57 | drojf | which one? |
| 19:57 | rangi | but who wants to be a hardware vendor |
| 19:57 | not this guy | |
| 19:57 | drojf | heh |
| 19:58 | * jcamins | either. |
| 19:58 | jcamins | I just think it would be cool to have an rPi-based selfcheck. |
| 19:58 | drojf | "hi. this is my machine. buy it, it just works. we will never meet again. goodbye" |
| 19:58 | rangi | http://gallery.katipo.co.nz/lianza2006/img_1452 |
| 19:58 | cait | lol |
| 19:59 | pianohacker | drojf: as far as custom firmware goes, 3m self-checks (at least the ones I've dealt with), interface with all of the hardware in them using a completely proprietary set of serial interfaces |
| 19:59 | rangi | yeah yo have to build your own stack |
| 19:59 | drojf | that does not sound like fun, really |
| 19:59 | rangi | all the way through to the demagnetiser (or these days rfid) |
| 19:59 | jcamins | An embedded selfcheck would also be cool. |
| 19:59 | Who wants to play with a RTOS? | |
| 19:59 | drojf | jcamins: embedded in the items? :) |
| 20:00 | pianohacker | rangi: How would you even go about reverse-engineering that? Most of the serial debuggers I saw didn't even see half the interfaces |
| 20:00 | rangi | this was pre rfid |
| 20:00 | so you dont | |
| 20:00 | we blackboxed | |
| 20:00 | jcamins | drojf: I was thinking 8052, but if you have a way to make a Turing-complete item, you could do that instead. :P |
| 20:00 | pianohacker | ? |
| 20:00 | rangi | you dont have to know how it does it |
| 20:01 | just what its doing | |
| 20:01 | and build something that does the same | |
| 20:01 | in this case, a pc, with linux and python acting as the sip client | |
| 20:01 | pianohacker | oh, okay |
| 20:01 | that makes more sense | |
| 20:02 | cait | hm i think you can buy the rfid readers now... |
| 20:02 | and the interface to them must be documented? | |
| 20:02 | rangi | bwahaa |
| 20:02 | you're new round here eh? | |
| 20:02 | :) | |
| 20:02 | cait | too optimistied? |
| 20:02 | drojf | lol |
| 20:02 | rangi | yes |
| 20:02 | cait | optimistic? :) |
| 20:02 | rangi | thats the one |
| 20:02 | cait | drojf: hasn't wildau done something like that? |
| 20:02 | building their own hardware for projects nad stuff? | |
| 20:02 | drojf | cait: not sure but they are rfid freaks |
| 20:03 | cait | i thought i heard they did |
| 20:03 | rangi | http://gallery.katipo.co.nz/vi[…]s_lworks_IMG_0779 <-- the olden days |
| 20:03 | cait | they build this weird machine to mass check preprogrammed tags |
| 20:03 | i saw it at bibliothekartag ... 2 years ago | |
| 20:03 | well not weird, but an interesting idea and seemed to work | |
| 20:03 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 20:03 | cait | hi kathryn |
| 20:03 | :) | |
| 20:03 | kathryn | hello cait! |
| 20:03 | wahanui | hello cait are you here? |
| 20:03 | drojf | rangi: great computer you got there ;) |
| 20:04 | rangi | http://gallery.katipo.co.nz/vienna/IMG_0817 |
| 20:04 | its the UN's computer | |
| 20:04 | UNIDO in fact | |
| 20:06 | 2003 iirc | |
| 20:07 | drojf | that computer looks pretty old for 2003 too ;) |
| 20:08 | drojf1 joined #koha | |
| 20:08 | rangi | its the UN :) |
| 20:09 | right time to take kids the school | |
| 20:13 | druthb | wahanui: cait? |
| 20:13 | wahanui | cait is qam, not your secretary |
| 20:13 | druthb | :P |
| 20:13 | wahanui: druthb? | |
| 20:13 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 20:13 | * druthb | nods. |
| 20:14 | druthb | wahanui: jcamins? |
| 20:14 | wahanui | it has been said that jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. |
| 20:14 | druthb | lulz |
| 20:15 | pianohacker | hey ruth |
| 20:17 | druthb | hi, pianohacker! :D |
| 20:17 | wahanui: pianohacker? | |
| 20:17 | wahanui | it has been said that pianohacker is a brilliant young whooper-snapper. |
| 20:17 | druthb | :D |
| 20:17 | * druthb | is kind of giddy today. |
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| 21:00 | mtompset | I still say it is whipper-snapper, druthb. :P |
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| 21:01 | druthb | :P |
| 21:02 | talljoy | druthb what did you put in your herbal tea today? lol |
| 21:02 | druthb | :D |
| 21:03 | It was a pot of fierce this morning. | |
| 21:03 | talljoy | i reckon so! those are fun days! |
| 21:03 | RAWR | |
| 21:10 | drojf | good night #koha |
| 21:10 | cait | bye drojf |
| 21:10 | trea | o/ |
| 21:18 | mtompset | DOH! I missed saying by to drojf. :( |
| 21:18 | cait | he'll come back |
| 21:18 | rangi | http://prism-break.org/ |
| 21:19 | perfect :) | |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | ^.^ I like that! |
| 21:20 | mtompset | Silly question... if the IS_NULLABLE='NO' means a required field, then why on the patron screen are address and city not listed as required, and why is cardnumber allowed to be NULL?! |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | though if you are using iOS to begin with you should probably give up. |
| 21:24 | cyanogen if you are wanting android | |
| 21:42 | jcamins | mtompset: I'm pretty sure a NOT NULL text column can have '' |
| 21:43 | mtompset | It can, jcamins. But that still doesn't really answer the cardnumber question. |
| 21:43 | jcamins | Yeah, I have no answer to that. |
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| 22:06 | mtompset | Oooo.... AddMember_Opac. |
| 22:07 | Ewwwww.... fixup_cardnumber. | |
| 22:08 | pianohacker | huh? |
| 22:09 | mtompset | What's your take on the comment above sub fixup_cardnumber in C4::Members.pm which is called by AddMember_Opac in the same module? |
| 22:09 | I don't see any DB locking, like the comment says should be done. | |
| 22:12 | pianohacker | mtompset: That code has enough smells to start a perfume shop |
| 22:12 | but none of them good... | |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | @quote get 250 |
| 22:12 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #250: "<cjh> This code smells of wine." (added by wizzyrea at 04:52 AM, May 24, 2013) |
| 22:12 | pianohacker | hahahaha |
| 22:13 | * pianohacker | has written very good code with his good friends Tequila and Vodka trio-programming with him, thank you very much |
| 22:13 | pianohacker | mtompset: but yeah, unless something further up the stack is locking the tables, yeah, it's depending on blind luck |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | @quote add <pianohacker> That code has enough smells to start a perfume shop |
| 22:13 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #257 added. |
| 22:13 | mtompset | wizzyrea: that wasn't the whole quote. :P |
| 22:13 | pianohacker | dammit, more smells than a waste treatment plant is a better analogy anyway |
| 22:14 | jcamins | pianohacker: some of us are allergic to perfume. |
| 22:14 | pianohacker | hahahaha true |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | @quote add *pianohacker has written very good code with his good friends Tequila and Vodka trio-programming with him, thank you very much |
| 22:14 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #258 added. |
| 22:15 | pianohacker | ^ none of the above in a professional context, however! I did write a one-line recursive lamdba-based depth-first search in Python for algorithms once though with a large beer by my side |
| 22:16 | mtompset | Because I'd like to add code that called AddMember_Opac, but with the mess no being locked properly, I am thinking I'll have to fix that first. |
| 22:17 | And speaking of drunk coding... that requires sharing this xkcd. | |
| 22:17 | http://xkcd.com/323/ | |
| 22:17 | pianohacker | heh, yup |
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| 22:23 | eythian | hi |
| 22:23 | wahanui | bidet, eythian |
| 22:25 | mtompset | ARG! |
| 22:25 | ./tools/import_borrowers.pl: # FIXME: fixup_cardnumber says to lock table, but the web interface doesn't so this doesn't either. | |
| 22:25 | pianohacker | hahahahahahaha |
| 22:25 | distributed irresponsibility | |
| 22:25 | cjh | hahahha brilliant! |
| 22:26 | mtompset | What have I found?! The horror! The horror! |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | @quote add <mtompset> What have I found?! The horror! The horror! |
| 22:26 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #259 added. |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | it's a quoty kind of day |
| 22:27 | cjh | @quote add <wizzyrea> it's a quoty kind of day |
| 22:27 | huginn | cjh: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 22:27 | pianohacker | recursion-blocked! |
| 22:27 | wizzyrea | PWNT |
| 22:27 | cjh | lol |
| 22:28 | @quote add <wizzyrea> it's a quoty kind of day | |
| 22:28 | huginn | cjh: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 22:28 | cjh | 10:28 [oftc] -!- Mode change [+R] for user cjh |
| 22:28 | no love from huginn | |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | @quote get 23 |
| 22:28 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 22:28 | <.< | |
| 22:28 | pianohacker | of course there's a quote for that |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | also, I'm using memory bits for it. |
| 22:29 | cjh | @quote add <wizzyrea> it's a quoty kind of day |
| 22:29 | huginn | cjh: The operation succeeded. Quote #260 added. |
| 22:29 | * cjh | mumbles something nasty about huginn |
| 22:29 | pianohacker | hey, grumble at wahanui if anything |
| 22:29 | creepy malapropistic stalker bot | |
| 22:29 | cjh | wahanui is awesome! |
| 22:29 | good night | |
| 22:29 | wahanui | If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me. |
| 22:30 | cjh | never gets old :D |
| 22:30 | mtompset | Good day (24 hour period), cjh. :) |
| 22:30 | cjh | mtompset: thanks, but i'm not going to sleep, just wanted wahanui to be creepy :) |
| 22:30 | mtompset | Doesn't that make you creepy? :P |
| 22:31 | eythian | wahanui: be cjh is <reply>just wanted wahanui to be creepy |
| 22:31 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 22:31 | cjh | heh |
| 22:31 | mtompset | cjh? |
| 22:31 | wahanui | cjh is just finishing off a report on the remaining issues with plack, which should help finish that work off |
| 22:31 | cjh | be cjh? |
| 22:31 | wahanui | just wanted wahanui to be creepy |
| 22:31 | mtompset | be mtompset? |
| 22:32 | Good. Nothing yet. :) | |
| 22:32 | cjh | be mtompset is <reply>be mtompset? |
| 22:32 | wahanui: be mtompset is <reply>be mtompset? | |
| 22:32 | wahanui | bugger all, i dunno, cjh |
| 22:32 | * mtompset | laughs at cjh. |
| 22:33 | pianohacker | does he seriously have recursion protection? |
| 22:33 | cjh | that was what I was wondering, I have never seen him reply to himself. |
| 22:34 | mtompset | wahanui, dump your source code and database to a paste for cjh and pianohacker. :P |
| 22:34 | wahanui | mtompset: sorry... |
| 22:34 | cjh | worth a shot. |
| 22:34 | eythian | trust me, you don't want to see the source. |
| 22:34 | pianohacker | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot.html |
| 22:35 | cjh | is it bad code? or worse, php? |
| 22:36 | eythian | it's perl, it's just pretty ugly perl |
| 22:36 | pianohacker | eythian: is that above the right link? |
| 22:36 | author matches, at least, but wasn't sure | |
| 22:37 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:37 | though I think we're using an older version | |
| 22:37 | pianohacker | ... older than 1999? |
| 22:37 | good god | |
| 22:37 | cjh | heh |
| 22:38 | eythian | oh, maybe not then |
| 22:39 | rangi | trea: |
| 22:39 | self check? | |
| 22:39 | wahanui | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4 |
| 22:40 | trea | Oh Guffman |
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| 23:28 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 23:28 | eythian | hi dcook |
| 23:33 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook eythian rangi pianohacker cjh wizzyrea druthb and anyone else I may have forgotten. :) |
| 23:33 | cjh | dcook: morning |
| 23:33 | mtompset | So, I added the lock around the code in AddMember_Opac... I even put a 30 second delay to see what would happen if it took too long. |
| 23:33 | cjh | mtompset: belated good morning :) |
| 23:34 | mtompset | Now to test the 90 second lock. :) |
| 23:36 | I hate waiting for testing. | |
| 23:36 | pianohacker | good night, wahanui |
| 23:36 | wahanui | If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me. |
| 23:37 | pianohacker | yup, you do that |
| 23:37 | mtompset | Nice. 90 seconds worked. |
| 23:45 | Okay... I think I'm going to post a bug for the LOCKing mess I found. | |
| 23:46 | or should I say lack of locking mess. | |
| 23:59 | jcamins | Hm. How much chocolate do I need to make 1 qt of chocolate-covered strawberries? |
| 23:59 | mtompset | Enough to cover your keyboard in warm rootbeer? |
| 23:59 | jcamins | 1-1/3 to 1-1/2 c. |
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