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| 00:31 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 00:55 | tcohen | night #koha, cya tomorrow |
| 01:17 | rangi | @later tell tcohen i always called it one week before so the 15th |
| 01:17 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:19 | bag | hey chris |
| 01:19 | rangi | hey bag |
| 01:20 | bag | good weekend? |
| 01:20 | rangi | yep not too bad, you? |
| 01:20 | bag | eh worked on a migration |
| 01:20 | rangi | ahh not the most fun weekend then |
| 01:21 | bag | it was just me and Aloo this weekend - so that was fun! |
| 01:21 | rangi | cool |
| 01:22 | did you see the video i did? | |
| 01:27 | bag | which one? |
| 01:27 | from last weekend? | |
| 01:27 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]&feature=youtu.be |
| 01:28 | bag | ha no I hadn't |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | that is really cool |
| 01:33 | mtj | heyas... |
| 01:33 | ooooh, is it done with gource chris? | |
| 01:36 | rangi | yep |
| 01:37 | jcamins | What made you think of doing that visualization? |
| 01:38 | rangi | id been planing to do it for a while, just finally got around to it |
| 01:38 | its something you could run slightly delayed on a monitor if you wanted | |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | would be cool for the library website too |
| 01:40 | rangi | you could do it for anything that you timestamp |
| 01:40 | i just have a little perl script that does a db query and generates a changelog from it | |
| 01:40 | then gource can do stuff like that | |
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| 02:06 | jcamins | eythian: you should demand a static IPv6 IP. |
| 02:06 | *address | |
| 02:06 | eythian | I should. |
| 02:07 | * jcamins | gets out the signs for picketing Catalyst. |
| 02:07 | eythian | I could also have my machine's name point to an AAAA on our internal network. |
| 02:07 | jcamins | "Static IPv6 addresses for eythian! Static IPv6 addresses for eythian!" |
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| 02:23 | dgchina | anybody here messed around with the mobile CSS for CCSR? |
| 02:54 | mtj | hmm, not me dgchina... |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 02:56 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 02:58 | dgchina | I noticed when you have content in the right sidebar of the ccsr theme, it shows up at the bottom of the mobile theme on some devices. That's with the css out of the box for both. |
| 02:58 | trying to figure out what needs to be changed in the mobile theme to either move it or remove it | |
| 03:00 | mtj | curious, what device...? |
| 03:00 | dgchina | Samsung Galaxy S2 |
| 03:02 | jcamins | dgchina: you can change the OpacUserCSSMobile. |
| 03:02 | The right sidebar is supposed to be responsive. | |
| 03:02 | dgchina | if I edit OpacUserCSSMobile, it replaces the default CSS? Or is appended? |
| 03:05 | Haven't figured out yet what div I should be editing in OpacUserCSSMobile to move the right sidebar | |
| 03:05 | jcamins | It's appended. |
| 03:06 | #opacrightsidebar | |
| 03:06 | I generally use Chrome's built in web developer tools or Firebug to find things like that, BTW. | |
| 03:06 | I happen to know that only because I was working on bug 10405 earlier. | |
| 03:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10405 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , User-editable sections should have ids |
| 03:07 | dgchina | yeah, I found #opacrightsidebar in Chrome, but its not mentioned at all in mobile.css |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | probably because it's using the CSS from non-mobile for that. |
| 03:08 | jcamins | Why would it be mentioned in mobile.css? |
| 03:14 | Yay! Finished washing the dishes! | |
| 03:14 | Good night, #koha. | |
| 03:15 | eythian | later |
| 03:15 | dgchina | thx jcamins |
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| 05:21 | saa | i am getting an error in kohaadmin and opac "Tag '0' is not a valid tag Biblio.pm line 2346. how to sort out this error. |
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| 05:27 | AmitG | hi bag |
| 05:27 | hi bag | |
| 05:28 | bag | hey AmitG |
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| 05:38 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:38 | * cait | waves |
| 05:38 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 05:57 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 05:57 | more rain :( | |
| 05:57 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.8°C (7:55 AM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:00 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:00 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:00 | magnuse | here too |
| 06:00 | bag | @wunder 93102 |
| 06:00 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 16.0°C (11:00 PM PDT on June 09, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:00 | magnuse | and wow did pootle get a facelift while i was away :-) |
| 06:01 | 16 in california in june - is that kind of cold? | |
| 06:01 | and hiya bag | |
| 06:01 | bag | yo magnuse |
| 06:02 | magnuse | wassup! |
| 06:03 | AmitG joined #koha | |
| 06:06 | bag | gosh I love a good wassup! |
| 06:06 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 06:35 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:35 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
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| 06:48 | bigbrovar | Hi guys, I installed koha (3.12) using the debain packages following the wiki, I just want to understand which user runs koha (and koha services) I understand that a koha user was created on the system with home directory at/var/lib/koha/library .. I am asking before, my previous experience with koha was with building it from source, and in that case I had to create a koha users who was responsibile for ownership of all koha related directories and and |
| 06:49 | runs the crons otherwise things won't work | |
| 06:49 | is this the same case with the package install? I noticed root owns files under /usr/share/koha | |
| 06:49 | cait | have you looked at the commands made available by the packages? |
| 06:50 | the packages should take care of all of that I think | |
| 06:50 | bigbrovar | the tl;dr of all am saying is which user do koha crons run under |
| 06:50 | cait | if you mess with permissoins you might break their magic :) |
| 06:50 | the user of your instance i think | |
| 06:50 | but you shoudl take a look at the commands | |
| 06:50 | it's mostly taken care of | |
| 06:50 | bigbrovar | cait: so I leave things as there are? |
| 06:50 | cait | yeah, iw ould start with leaving things as they are |
| 06:50 | bigbrovar | cait: can I run the debian command as root? |
| 06:50 | cait | you are more likely to break something |
| 06:50 | AmitG | heya cait |
| 06:51 | cait | sorry i have to run |
| 06:51 | maybe ask around a little later | |
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| 06:53 | bigbrovar | cait: thanks |
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| 06:57 | asaurat | hi |
| 06:57 | magnuse | bigbrovar: the short answer is that the packages take care of everything elated to users and permissions :-) |
| 06:58 | s/elated/related/ | |
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| 07:07 | bigbrovar | magnuse: Thanks. but in case I want to setup crons like the /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl under which user do I setup the cronjob |
| 07:07 | or does the package take care of cronjobs too? | |
| 07:07 | magnuse | they do, for a lot of things |
| 07:07 | the packages also provide commands for doing a lot of tasks | |
| 07:08 | do "man koha-common" for an overview | |
| 07:08 | bigbrovar | magnuse: wow... am confused.. I just not use to people doing stuff for me.. but that is super cool.. but takes getting used to :D |
| 07:09 | magnuse | hehe |
| 07:09 | for sending email messages there is koha-email-disable and koha-email-enable | |
| 07:09 | bigbrovar | makes koha very accessible especially and lowers the entry barrier |
| 07:09 | magnuse | yup |
| 07:10 | those two should be all you need to enable sending email | |
| 07:11 | bigbrovar | let me get this right (its sounding too good to be true) so u mean I don't have to bother with setting up a cronjob and koha-common does that, or there is a koha-common command for setting up cronjobs |
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| 07:12 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:12 | wahanui | niihau, gaetan_B |
| 07:13 | magnuse | bigbrovar: koha-common sets up a lot of cronjobs for you, have a look at /etc/cron.daily/koha-common /etc/cron.d/koha-common /etc/cron.hourly/koha-common to see which ones are set up |
| 07:15 | bigbrovar: in /etc/cron.d/koha-common there is: "*/15 * * * * root koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl" which means that messages are processed every 15 minutes, *for those instances that have email enabled* - which means all you have to do is run "sudo koha-email-enable <yourinstancename>" | |
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| 07:16 | saa | can some one help me i am getting an error in kohaadmin and opac "Tag '0' is not a valid tag Biblio.pm line 2346" hw to sort out this error. is it related to marc framework. |
| 07:16 | bigbrovar | magnuse: :-o |
| 07:18 | magnuse: wow ! | |
| 07:18 | magnuse | bigbrovar: :-) |
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| 07:22 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 07:30 | bigbrovar | magnuse: I am still having problems getting koha's email notification to work, especially after creating a user. |
| 07:31 | I configured postfix as mta and that work fine. and I set it that koha sent account details to newly created users. But when I create a user no email is sent | |
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| 07:34 | magnuse | bigbrovar: did you do "sudo koha-email-enable <instancename>"? |
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| 07:35 | * Oak | waves |
| 07:36 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:36 | Oak | magnuse |
| 07:36 | :) | |
| 07:36 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 07:40 | bigbrovar | magnuse: yeah I did. My bad.. didnt include email in the user detail of the user I created. facepalm |
| 07:44 | magnuse | bigbrovar: :-) |
| 07:52 | paul_p | hi #koha |
| 07:53 | cait joined #koha | |
| 07:53 | * cait | waves |
| 07:53 | paul_p | 'morning cait |
| 07:53 | cait | hi paul_p :) |
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| 08:03 | mtj | saa, sounds like a bad framework to me |
| 08:05 | cait | hi mtj |
| 08:07 | mtj | hi cait, and good morning europe |
| 08:07 | magnuse | good evening mtj |
| 08:07 | Oak | hello cait |
| 08:07 | wahanui | hello cait are you here? |
| 08:07 | cait | oh Oak! |
| 08:07 | i was thinking about you | |
| 08:07 | Oak | :) |
| 08:39 | bigbrovar_ | . |
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| 08:51 | bigbrovar | Hi guys, How can I customize the email notices sent by koha, especially concerning the contents |
| 08:52 | magnuse | bigbrovar: have a look at Home › Tools › Notices & Slips |
| 08:56 | bigbrovar | magnuse: Thanks.. am on it now |
| 09:02 | cait | @wunder Frankfurt, Germany |
| 09:02 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Frankfurt, Germany is 16.8°C (11:00 AM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:07 | bigbrovar | @wunder Abuja, Nigeria |
| 09:07 | huginn | bigbrovar: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 09:07 | bigbrovar | oh well |
| 09:10 | magnuse | @wunder lagos, nigeria |
| 09:10 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Lagos, Nigeria is 27.0°C (9:30 AM WAT on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:10 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 09:10 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:10 | magnuse | @wunder abv |
| 09:10 | huginn | magnuse: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 09:11 | magnuse | silly bot :-) |
| 09:11 | cait | brr |
| 09:14 | wahanui botsnack cookie | |
| 09:14 | wahanui | thanks cait :) |
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| 09:55 | magnuse | @later tell khall: CONGRATULATIONS! |
| 09:55 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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| 10:41 | cait | internetconnection_on_trains-- |
| 10:41 | @wunder Baden-Baden | |
| 10:41 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Buhlertal, Germany is 15.6°C (12:30 PM CEST on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:46 | bigbrovar | How can I get ldap authentication to work with Koha. I need just the authentication part not the user sync part. Hence users created in koha get to authenticate via ldap.. but an ldap user who hasn't been created in koha can't authenticate |
| 10:52 | cait | i suggest you take a look at the manual :) |
| 10:52 | manual? | |
| 10:52 | wahanui | manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
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| 11:21 | saa | as mentioned earlier i am getting Tag'0' is not a valid tag Biblio.pm line 2346. is this related to bad marc framework. if so hw to delete existing bad marc framework and restore default one. |
| 11:23 | Oak | @wunder islamabad |
| 11:23 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 43.0°C (4:00 PM PKT on June 10, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising). |
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| 11:59 | libsysguy | happy b-day khall :) |
| 12:14 | khall | hey libsysguy, thanks! |
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| 12:20 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:25 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
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| 12:25 | jcamins | Happy birthday, khall! |
| 12:25 | khall | thanks jcamins! |
| 12:25 | tcohen | morning jcamins, #koha |
| 12:25 | happy birthday khall! | |
| 12:26 | khall | fun fact: each KohaCon I've been to has been during my birthday! Reno will break this pattern though. |
| 12:26 | tcohen | @later tell rangi thanks |
| 12:26 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:27 | * tcohen | sings *its rmaint day, alleluya... itsrmaint day* |
| 12:27 | druthb | mmf. |
| 12:27 | * druthb | waves |
| 12:27 | tcohen | hi druthb |
| 12:29 | druthb | happy birthday, khall. I didn't realize yours was just two days after mine. |
| 12:29 | khall | thanks druthb! Happy birthday to you too! |
| 12:30 | druthb | Thanks. :) |
| 12:31 | oleonard | Happy birthday to you khall, and a belated happy birthday to you druthb |
| 12:31 | druthb | :) |
| 12:32 | khall | : ) |
| 12:32 | * druthb | is *trying* not to be a crotchety old woman this morning. "fake it 'til you make it," mama always said. |
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| 12:33 | oleonard | I'm always extra-crotchety around my birthday |
| 12:34 | druthb | I got to do some different things for my birthday weekend—on Friday, took Lindsey to the Natural Science museum. It was lovely, and the butterflies were out in force at the Cockrell Butterfly Center. |
| 12:34 | Lindsey found a butterfly that had escaped elsewhere in the museum, and shuttled it back quickly. It wasn't very active, but was still alive. | |
| 12:35 | Saturday, my 45th birthday, I put her on a bus to Dallas to go apartment-hunting. | |
| 12:36 | magnuse | "gratulerer" to khall and belated "gratulerer" to druthb! |
| 12:36 | khall | heh, thanks magnuse! |
| 12:36 | druthb | Thanks, magnuse! :) |
| 12:39 | jcamins | Gosh I have a helpful cat. |
| 12:39 | He is bound and determined to help me endorse a check. | |
| 12:40 | tcohen | heh |
| 12:40 | jwagner | jcamins, he associates check with purchase of cat food? |
| 12:40 | jcamins | Aaand he just put a claw most of the way through my hand. |
| 12:40 | druthb | ow! |
| 12:40 | jcamins | I'll say! |
| 12:41 | oleonard | Oh no, and that was your signing-off hand! |
| 12:42 | * tcohen | thinks Myshkin over stepped there, he'll have his food anyway |
| 12:43 | jcamins | Yeah, he's lost his desk privileges for the day. |
| 12:44 | oleonard | The shame. |
| 12:57 | jcamins | oleonard: I have a question for you about how we do layouts in Koha. Is there a way to tile divs without having a separate row div (yui-g) for each row? |
| 12:57 | If I just use yui-b, I end up with a result like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/wvISCEAWPqcO | |
| 12:58 | oleonard | jcamins: Not using the built-in YUI grid. You'd have to add some new layout CSS. |
| 12:58 | Are you not wanting to deal with the logic of when to create a new row? | |
| 12:59 | jcamins | Okay then, next question: do you have any objection to me adding layout CSS or using some of Bootstrap's layout CSS? |
| 12:59 | oleonard | I have no objection to adding the CSS you need to get the job done |
| 13:00 | jcamins | Right. I am adding the ability to specify as many contacts as you want, and I'd rather not have special case code for rows, when merely using a "float: left" on each div results in the desired layout. |
| 13:04 | magnuse | jcamins: lazy! ;-) |
| 13:04 | jcamins | magnuse: do you really want to maintain code in which a [% FOREACH %] starts with [% IF ... %]<div...>[% ELSE %]</div>[% END %] ? :P |
| 13:05 | oleonard | jcamins: Have you looked at flexbox? |
| 13:05 | jcamins | I have not. Do we use that/ |
| 13:05 | *? | |
| 13:05 | oleonard | I don't think there is enough browser support for it yet, but it looks very useful: http://weblog.bocoup.com/dive-into-flexbox/ |
| 13:05 | CSS3 | |
| 13:06 | jcamins | Ooh, interesting! |
| 13:06 | wahanui | well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 13:07 | oleonard | http://caniuse.com/#search=flex |
| 13:07 | jcamins | Yeah, the lack of current support in anything is a bit of an issue. |
| 13:08 | magnuse | css3++ |
| 13:09 | oleonard | lack_of_current_support_in_anything-- |
| 13:09 | IE-- # just for good measure | |
| 13:10 | druthb | @karma ie |
| 13:10 | huginn | druthb: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 94 times for a total karma of -93. |
| 13:10 | druthb | whoa. |
| 13:10 | @karma chrome | |
| 13:10 | huginn | druthb: chrome has neutral karma. |
| 13:10 | druthb | ! |
| 13:10 | chrome++ | |
| 13:10 | jcamins | druthb: presumably that karma increase was for "il est" rather than "internet explorer." |
| 13:11 | magnuse | @karma firefox |
| 13:11 | huginn | magnuse: Karma for "firefox" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 13:12 | magnuse | looks like ie is the only browser that evokes strong emotions :-) |
| 13:12 | druthb | There are reasons for that. |
| 13:13 | Chrome vs Firefox seems to be a preference thing, but they both appear to work *just fine* (except Walmart.com's pharmacy….that requires FF). But IE.. uhm. | |
| 13:13 | doesn't. | |
| 13:13 | magnuse | lol |
| 13:14 | jcamins | Walmart.com's pharmacy doesn't work in Chrome? That's kind of specific. |
| 13:14 | druthb | It didn't, last time I tried to refill a scrip. When you get to the "place this order" phase, to check and make sure your pickup store is correct, Chrome just *hangs* |
| 13:15 | In FF, it looks kind of AJAX-ey, so it may be doing something dodgy with a modal or something. Not my itch to scratch. | |
| 13:16 | jcamins | Eww. |
| 13:18 | Wow, flexbox looks very cool. | |
| 13:23 | khall | question: now that we have used all the subfield letters in 952, where should additional item-level data be stored in a marc record? |
| 13:24 | jcamins | Bit fields? |
| 13:24 | ^^ not a serious suggestion! Don't take it and run with it! | |
| 13:25 | khall | heh! |
| 13:26 | jcamins | Headline: "Software developer single-handedly put library technology back thirty years, meets teenaged Henriette Avram." |
| 13:27 | *puts | |
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| 13:48 | khall | fyi, it looks like the answer to my question is field 942 |
| 13:49 | or maybe not | |
| 13:50 | it as fields for call number, which is item level, but also subfield 0 is for "Koha issues (borrowed), all copies" which isn't exactly item level. | |
| 13:50 | s/as/has/ | |
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| 14:04 | magnuse | khall: i think MARC is supposed to distinguish between uppercase and lowercase in subfield "names"? not sure how koha will eract to that, though |
| 14:04 | the correct answer is of course: "get rid of marc" ;-) | |
| 14:06 | i might be wrong about uc/lc, though. not sure what my source is... | |
| 14:16 | gmcharlt | khall: no, not 942, that's bib-ish level |
| 14:16 | khall: what new field are you proposing? | |
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| 15:05 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6281: add Library::CallNumber::LC as a required Perl dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d38a14b6fb93c904d> / bug 6281: introduce LC::CallNumber::LC for sorting LC call numbers <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]56001d97f2a36fba5> / bug 6281: add test case for sorting LC call numbers correctly <http://git. |
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| 15:07 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:43 | oleonard | Is rangi having problem with the machine running the IRC log? |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Looks like it's working. |
| 15:43 | logs? | |
| 15:43 | wahanui | rumour has it logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ |
| 15:44 | jcamins | The URL did change slightly. He took out /irclog/ |
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| 15:44 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:45 | * oleonard | had always used stats.workbuffer... |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Ah. Yeah, that server died. |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 15:52 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | boring |
| 15:52 | @quote random | |
| 15:52 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #211: "<paul_p> mtate a bug in C4/Search ? That's unbelievable !" (added by slef at 12:35 PM, July 17, 2012) |
| 15:56 | pianohacker | heheheheheh |
| 15:56 | <shiver> | |
| 15:59 | oleonard | Bug 2774 is going to take many blows to kill. |
| 15:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places |
| 16:00 | gmcharlt | oleonard: ZERG RUSH |
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| 16:04 | pianohacker | kekekekekekeke |
| 16:21 | * oleonard | tries to get QA's attention with Bug 9924 |
| 16:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9924 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Simplify and rename patron card creator error message include |
| 16:22 | pianohacker | oleonard: Come to think of it, you're just the person. Mind if I ask you for a bit of admin styling advice? |
| 16:22 | oleonard | Not at all |
| 16:24 | pianohacker | oleonard: Working on a simple form to add a record to a table, much like the z39.50 admin, but I have a set of labeled checkboxes (corresponding to libraries) as the "value" for one item in the fieldset ol. What would be the best way to mark that up? |
| 16:25 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10311 - Holds queue ignores item-level holds where only one items exists <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b4b9a6dd2817ad8e9> |
| 16:26 | cait | pianohacker: what will it do in the end? *curious* |
| 16:26 | oleonard | pianohacker: I can't really picture what you want based on that description |
| 16:26 | pianohacker: checkboxes and radio buttons are always tricky to deal with, so I usually recommend looking to existing examples in the templates | |
| 16:28 | Hang on, be right back. | |
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| 16:31 | pianohacker | cait: It's an option to select which libraries' patrons can use an external search target in the OPAC |
| 16:32 | cait | oh |
| 16:32 | that sure sounds interesting | |
| 16:32 | is that for licensensed databases? | |
| 16:32 | with a properly spelled lic... word | |
| 16:32 | pianohacker | cait: I think eventually maybe, still working on that :) |
| 16:32 | cait | oook |
| 16:32 | will try to be patient | |
| 16:32 | :) | |
| 16:33 | * oleonard | can't spell license either without wondering if he got it right |
| 16:33 | pianohacker | oleonard: So, one option here would be to use a select-multiple to select branches, but those things are kind of user-hostile IMO |
| 16:33 | oleonard | Agreed. |
| 16:33 | pianohacker | a set of checkboxes seems easier to navigate |
| 16:33 | * jcamins | favors a more tag-y approach, but that has no justification in the existing Koha style guide. |
| 16:34 | pianohacker | the problem is marking it up. May just end up throwing some custom CSS into the page header. As it's page specific, you have any problems with that? |
| 16:34 | oleonard | jcamins: I worry that the concept of tags has never caught on and is now fading |
| 16:35 | jcamins | oleonard: I don't know, that interface predates the web by quite a lot. Most of the old green screen programs used something similar for selecting. |
| 16:35 | oleonard | pianohacker: No, but I'm still confused about what is so special about this situation. Not just a list of checkboxes in a standard form? |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Okay, maybe not most. |
| 16:35 | oleonard | jcamins: Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean by "tag-y" |
| 16:36 | pianohacker | oleonard: Take a look at the "Branches limitation" part of the patron category edit form |
| 16:36 | jcamins | But the student information horror that TCNJ used had something similar. |
| 16:36 | oleonard: where you select one of the unapplied tags, and it goes into a list of what's been applied, and then you can remove it from that list of applied tags. | |
| 16:37 | The only place I've seen that on the web is with tags. | |
| 16:37 | pianohacker | oleonard: That's the functionality I'm aiming for. It would be possible to have it as checkboxes within the form, but it seems clearer to have it nested within a line of the form |
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| 16:37 | pianohacker | jcamins: Ah! I think I know what you mean. I like that for editing tags, but I don't know if it's appropriate for this situation |
| 16:37 | plus, it would be more work :) | |
| 16:38 | jcamins | Well, yeah, of course it would. |
| 16:38 | Never, _ever_ ask me for advice on a UI question. | |
| 16:38 | (and I noticed you didn't... very clever;) | |
| 16:39 | I generally like to do Bootstrap-like control-replacement, so that -- for example -- underneath it all is a slew of checkboxes, but the user doesn't have to see them. | |
| 16:40 | I actually haven't done that for this particular interface element, though. | |
| 16:40 | cait | that sounds nice |
| 16:40 | pianohacker | jcamins: Heheh, not intentionally not asking you ;) oleonard's just the guru |
| 16:40 | * jcamins | makes a note of how useful that functionality would be. |
| 16:41 | jcamins | pianohacker: ah, see, there's your mistake. You should've intentionally not asked. :P |
| 16:41 | * jcamins | decides to eat some lunch. |
| 16:41 | pianohacker | oleonard: nvm, that same patron category editing screen has a fieldset nested, that would work perfectly |
| 16:41 | * pianohacker | runs off after having asked another question so long that it answered itself |
| 16:42 | * gmcharlt | welcomes our rubber duck overlords |
| 16:43 | * pianohacker | needs a rubber duck with the Google logo on the back |
| 16:45 | cait | hm can someone explain the rubber duck joke? :) |
| 16:45 | pianohacker | cait: http://informalsemantics.com/r[…]r-duck-debugging/ |
| 16:46 | cait | every time I think my english is pretty sufficient by now... you people start talking about something i have nooo idea about :) |
| 16:48 | pianohacker | if select-multiples are user-hostile, english is user-detesting |
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| 17:22 | tomascohen | is jenkins working? |
| 17:24 | cait | hm it takes a whlie sometimes |
| 17:25 | tcohen: it looks like it's currently running the tests for master - you can see it on the dashboard | |
| 17:26 | maybe it can't do all at the same time? | |
| 17:26 | tcohen | yes cait, just saw it, i missed jenkins telling us here that it started building 3.12.x |
| 17:26 | cait | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/job/Koha_master/ |
| 17:26 | it looks still working | |
| 17:31 | tcohen | bug 8600 |
| 17:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Master , Remove search terms in advanced search |
| 17:37 | cait | pianohacker++ thx for the rubberduck link ) |
| 17:37 | pianohacker | one of those wonderful terms that you learn and then realize you do it all the time |
| 17:39 | cait | true |
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| 17:51 | jlozano | Hello! Anybody on? |
| 17:53 | * pianohacker | is half-on, it's a monday |
| 18:03 | jlozano | Ahh! I cant really see, have to use android client :( |
| 18:04 | pianohacker | ahh, shoot. What's your question? |
| 18:08 | jlozano | Weeeeel so. If someone searches the catalog (koha 3.11) after they click on a result they get a 500 sever error.. |
| 18:08 | cait | jlozano: hm there is no stable 3.11 |
| 18:08 | the uneven number indicates this is a prerelease version | |
| 18:08 | jlozano | Buuut if they are logged in... even as a patron it works! |
| 18:08 | magnuse | hm, still something iffy with the 3.10.6 packages? after upgrading i have "Koha version: 3.10.05.003" |
| 18:09 | tcohen | bye #koha, see u tomorrow |
| 18:09 | cait | bye tcohen |
| 18:11 | jlozano | Ah. Didnt know about the uneven number thing. |
| 18:12 | cait | but apart form that |
| 18:12 | i am not sure what would cause the problem you see | |
| 18:12 | maybe try turning off opacsuppression if you have activated it | |
| 18:12 | and empty out opachiddenitems | |
| 18:12 | that could be something that is diferent between opac and staff | |
| 18:12 | jlozano | Obviously a permisson issue, oh well, were only using that instance of koha until august |
| 18:14 | jcamins | You should think about upgrading (or downgrading) to a released version. |
| 18:14 | cait | have you changed the xslt views? |
| 18:14 | jcamins | There was a problem with anonymous search history. |
| 18:14 | You could also disable saving search history. | |
| 18:15 | jlozano | K, gonna start with opac suppression... |
| 18:15 | cait | what jcamins says sounds familiar - maybe start even there:) |
| 18:16 | jcamins | cait: yeah, the 3.12 RM threw a hissy fit about that breaking everything for anonymous users. |
| 18:17 | cait | yeah... but he threw so many... hard to remember... ;) |
| 18:17 | druthb | the 3.12 RM was good at throwing those. :P |
| 18:18 | cait | well, they were for the right reasons mostly |
| 18:18 | jcamins | *Mostly*? |
| 18:18 | * cait | ducks |
| 18:19 | jlozano | OK JUST FIXED IT! |
| 18:20 | Disabling opacsearchhistory did the trick! | |
| 18:22 | jcamins | Good. I'd still suggest upgrading to a released version. |
| 18:22 | jlozano | Jcamins, thanks! Gonna get a bywater in august, but untill then well use this. |
| 18:24 | jcamins | That's 2-3 months using code that the RM (me) felt wasn't suitable for production use. I'd upgrade anyway. |
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| 19:18 | maximep | hey, I have a Holds question for you guys |
| 19:18 | do I understand correctly that with the "Place a hold on the next available copy " checkbox, I can do infinite holds at the same hour ? | |
| 19:19 | cait | ? |
| 19:19 | maximep | there's no check to really validate that a copy will be available ? |
| 19:19 | cait | maximep: i don't understand your question really :) |
| 19:19 | the checkbox means that the next item that becomes available can fill the hold | |
| 19:19 | or more precise that any item of that record can fill the hold | |
| 19:19 | maximep | ok so it's when you do the checkout that you choose an item ? |
| 19:20 | cait | in opposite to an item level hold |
| 19:20 | maximep: i still think what you try to do should be a plugin ;) | |
| 19:20 | because I am worried it will not really fit in with existing options :) | |
| 19:21 | the difference is between only a special item fan fill the hold and all items of that record can fill the hold | |
| 19:21 | maximep | ok |
| 19:21 | cait | when there is more than one item on the shelf, it won't matter which you check-in |
| 19:21 | they should all fill the hold and trigger the hold message | |
| 19:22 | maximep | ok, but if I understand correctly, in that case there's no check that an item will be available at the date of the hold |
| 19:22 | cait | are you referring to the hold date in future feature? |
| 19:22 | maximep | man, this whole holds thing is so confusing to me |
| 19:22 | cait | it is confusing. |
| 19:22 | it is complex. | |
| 19:22 | jcamins | maximep: of course. If the item is going to be on hold until the future hold date, you might as well not make it a future hold date. |
| 19:23 | maximep | especially since I haven't been to a library in 10 years |
| 19:23 | cait | maximep: maybe with your job you shoudl remedy that |
| 19:23 | and go and sit at a circ desk for a while :) | |
| 19:23 | maximep | 2 years too late for that :p |
| 19:23 | cait | it's never too late |
| 19:24 | :) | |
| 19:24 | maximep | yes, i'm talking about a an hold date in the future |
| 19:24 | jcamins | maximep: you should visit a library. |
| 19:24 | maximep | haha I should |
| 19:25 | cait | seriously. |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | "oh god this is why the circ people are always so grumpy!" |
| 19:25 | maximep | but it really is our client's job to explain those stuff to me |
| 19:25 | * cait | thinks library visits should be mandatory for all koha developers who are not librarians :P |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | I dunno. Some liasons do a good job of explaining some things, but you don't get the... urgency of some things |
| 19:25 | oleonard | maximep: Except your client doesn't know how to explain things well, even if they think they do. |
| 19:26 | pianohacker | "It just takes 10 clicks to do that, why is that a problem?" |
| 19:26 | cait | and they don#t know what's technically possible |
| 19:26 | so they will not tell you the best solution to the problem necessarily | |
| 19:26 | jcamins | pianohacker: even the ones who do a good job explaining things don't do a good job. |
| 19:26 | If you see what I mean. | |
| 19:27 | Because they are living with the problem. | |
| 19:27 | pianohacker | heh, in some ways, yeah |
| 19:27 | maximep | well, my client knows koha better than me and is pretty technical |
| 19:28 | of course he doesn't know the code | |
| 19:28 | but who does -_- | |
| 19:28 | libsysguy | http://www.williamghelfi.com/b[…]tem-for-starters/ |
| 19:28 | jcamins | libsysguy: it's released? |
| 19:29 | Ah. | |
| 19:29 | No. | |
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| 19:32 | libsysguy | not yet |
| 19:32 | but the grid system is fairly stable | |
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| 19:33 | cait | maximep: don't let us make you grumpy :) |
| 19:33 | maximep: i think the hold date in future means it will take effect at that date, but not that you will get the item at this point | |
| 19:33 | if they are all checked out then... you are out of luck | |
| 19:33 | maximep | hmmm |
| 19:33 | gmcharlt | cait++ # agreed re Koha devs visiting libraries, including ideally some time working a circ desk |
| 19:34 | maximep | the problem is that were not really a koha shop |
| 19:34 | cait: that makes sense... somehow | |
| 19:35 | cait | i think marcelr has been some dev on the hold in future feature - but i haven't tested it yet |
| 19:35 | maximep | i guess that's why we added a "set aside" feature, to make sure no one can borrow it in the meantime |
| 19:35 | cait | it's in different states of sign off/qa etc. |
| 19:35 | gmcharlt | at least one part of it is passed-QA |
| 19:36 | maximep | hmmm didnt see that |
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| 19:59 | * magnuse | adds some thoughts to bug 6590 |
| 19:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio |
| 19:59 | rangi | oleonard: stats.workbuffer.org used to be denethor.thatcompanyIresignedfrom.co.nz .. so it was pretty old, probably infused with evil, and was due to die |
| 19:59 | brb atarau has got trapped in his pajamas | |
| 19:59 | magnuse | exorcise the demons! |
| 20:02 | rangi | yeah so the logs run off my linode now, instead of an old server under a desk in my house |
| 20:03 | magnuse | yay! :-) |
| 20:04 | * oleonard | thinks rangi should pass around a hat at KohaCon for that linode |
| 20:04 | * magnuse | would gladly contribute |
| 20:05 | rangi | heh |
| 20:05 | maybe i will | |
| 20:05 | but i want it filled with library cards | |
| 20:06 | magnuse | :-) |
| 20:06 | rangi | may 2010 |
| 20:06 | so 3 years now | |
| 20:07 | wahanui: 24.95*13 | |
| 20:07 | wahanui | 324.35 |
| 20:07 | rangi | its not so much :) |
| 20:07 | jcamins | 13? |
| 20:07 | wahanui | 13 is this one |
| 20:07 | rangi | oh yeah |
| 20:08 | hehe | |
| 20:08 | wahanui: 24.95*36 | |
| 20:08 | wahanui | 898.2 |
| 20:08 | rangi | ok, so a bit more |
| 20:08 | oleonard | Remember, when rangi says "library cards" he means the kind that go in here: http://lizlet.tumblr.com/post/[…]-a-liquor-cabinet |
| 20:09 | rangi | heh |
| 20:09 | jcamins | I like it! |
| 20:09 | pianohacker | wahanui: acos(-1) |
| 20:09 | wahanui | pianohacker: excuse me? |
| 20:09 | pianohacker | aww |
| 20:09 | rangi | i actually should do another call for library cards, so i can take some photos for kohacon13 |
| 20:10 | jcamins | You know, if I could get a narrow card catalog cabinet, it'd actually be perfect for the pantry. |
| 20:10 | rangi | right time to take kids to school |
| 20:12 | * magnuse | calls it a day |
| 20:12 | cait | have a nice evening magnuse |
| 20:12 | well... or good night :) | |
| 20:14 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:27 | cait | germs? |
| 20:27 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 20:27 | jcamins | germs? |
| 20:27 | wahanui | rumour has it germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | hah! |
| 20:48 | mtompset | anyone here familiar with encryption calls in PHP and Perl? |
| 20:54 | I'll take that as a no. Now for a nap. | |
| 20:54 | Have a great day (24 hour period). | |
| 21:02 | pianohacker | rangi: I don't know if you're ever going to stop getting questions about 3.10.6's version number :) |
| 21:02 | cait | ah |
| 21:02 | it will solve itself as soon as we have the next version out :) | |
| 21:07 | rangi | 11 days i will pianohacker |
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| 21:26 | rangi | welp |
| 21:26 | i still hate that logger implementation | |
| 21:26 | cait | hm? |
| 21:26 | oh | |
| 21:27 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=8190#c58 |
| 21:27 | huginn | 04Bug 8190: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add a logging module to Koha, that can report log message to staff interface (for developer use) |
| 21:27 | rangi | i stand by this comment still |
| 21:28 | i do not see the need for a great big new module that we then have to maintain, when someone has already solved the problem for us | |
| 21:29 | * gmcharlt | agrees with rangi |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | especially since the proposed logger doesn't even add syslog support |
| 21:29 | rangi | *nod* |
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| 21:32 | cait | so how do we continue with the logger? |
| 21:33 | I can see that reusing something existing would make a lot of sense, but the bug is a bit of a dilemma | |
| 21:34 | gmcharlt | cait: well, the counterpatch rangi includes in the bug is actually a pretty comprehensive start |
| 21:34 | cait | yeah, but noone picked it up so far, which is sad |
| 21:34 | gmcharlt | the main things missing are (a) the usual documentation and syspreffing |
| 21:34 | and (b) implementing the in-HTML logs, which folks seem to want | |
| 21:35 | cait | hm yes |
| 21:37 | rangi | ye |
| 21:37 | s | |
| 21:42 | cait | ok, time to sleep - good night #koha :) |
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| 22:00 | jcamins | The time has come to make pizza. |
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| 22:34 | mtj | i guess we can add/improve the logging patch, after its pushed |
| 22:37 | add syslog stuff, swap the logging module to log4perl, etc… | |
| 22:37 | rangi | hell no |
| 22:37 | swapping the module is not whats needed | |
| 22:38 | the point is, we dont need a whole new module | |
| 22:40 | jcamins | rangi: in my opinion, the point is more technical debt. We could replace the module, but that's one more thing that already "works" (for some value of "working") and needs to be refactored when someone has time and funding to do refactoring. |
| 22:41 | rangi | yeah, pushing it now, would just make a mess for later |
| 22:42 | gmcharlt | and we already have enough to refactor |
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| 23:06 | rangi | hi tcohen |
| 23:07 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 23:07 | its been a while | |
| 23:07 | rangi | yep, timezones |
| 23:07 | tcohen | thanks for the repository thing |
| 23:07 | rangi | hmm? |
| 23:07 | tcohen | ppa? |
| 23:07 | wahanui | somebody said ppa was ok for ubuntu |
| 23:07 | rangi | ahh yep :) |
| 23:09 | tcohen | i filled a bug on packaging naming, something only tcohen cares about |
| 23:09 | rangi | heh |
| 23:09 | tcohen | just wanted to write it somewhere |
| 23:09 | rangi | you mean repository naming :) |
| 23:09 | tcohen | should i mark it "In discussion" |
| 23:09 | rangi | or pocket naming even |
| 23:10 | ie not changing the name of the packages, just the pockets they live in | |
| 23:10 | thats right eh? | |
| 23:10 | tcohen | i'm fine with squeezy (love the name) |
| 23:10 | jcamins | It involved changing the names of the packages, too. |
| 23:10 | rangi | ahh thats much more problematic |
| 23:10 | breaks upgrades | |
| 23:11 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 23:11 | tcohen | in an ideal world with transition packages it shouldnt |
| 23:11 | but its too much work! | |
| 23:11 | rangi | changing the names of the pockets i dont mind |
| 23:11 | but the packages themselves are following the debian standard | |
| 23:12 | so we should stick with that, and our focus should be getting them into debian proper | |
| 23:12 | jcamins | What I'd do is make the change at the 3.14 release, since all the package naming gets screwed up every time we do a major release anyway. |
| 23:12 | tcohen | oh, naming the pockets would do it, that's what you mean rangi? |
| 23:12 | rangi | so our repo goes away (except for dev packages) |
| 23:12 | jcamins: its never changed from koha-common | |
| 23:13 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, but suddenly koha-common is the wrong package. |
| 23:13 | rangi | why? |
| 23:14 | i can see that the pocket is wrong, if we put a new major version into stable | |
| 23:14 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 23:14 | rangi | but it should still be called koha-common |
| 23:14 | so the package name doesnt change | |
| 23:14 | just we need better pocket names | |
| 23:15 | jcamins | That makes sense to me, and is how I handle my packages, but that's not what the bug report was for. |
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| 23:15 | * rangi | only skimmed it |
| 23:16 | rangi | i think having a pocket for each major version number, would work |
| 23:16 | tcohen | i actually didn't think of pockets... if i had... maybe i would have named the bug otherwise |
| 23:16 | rangi | :) |
| 23:17 | tcohen | my main concerns are (1) stable versions limit (2) forced upgrade because of (1) |
| 23:17 | i just liked the way virtualbox solved it (in debian apache 2.2 vs 2.4 would be the same thu) | |
| 23:17 | rangi | not quite |
| 23:18 | they change far less | |
| 23:18 | tcohen | and didn't think of pockets |
| 23:18 | rangi | thats workable if you only change every 2 years or so |
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| 23:18 | rangi | every six months, = mess |
| 23:18 | pockets better for that i think | |
| 23:19 | tcohen | suppose we had 3.8, 3.10 and 3.12 pockets |
| 23:19 | rangi | yep |
| 23:19 | tcohen | how does it fit for koha-common inclusion in Debian? |
| 23:20 | gmcharlt | tossing an idea out here ... why not aim for matching postgres' packaging |
| 23:20 | ? | |
| 23:20 | e.g., koha-common-3.10, koha-common-3.12, etc., along with some scripts to 'move' Koha databases from one koha-common cluster to another? | |
| 23:20 | tcohen | that would be too tcohen-ish |
| 23:21 | rangi | thats still every six montsh |
| 23:21 | thats gonna be a nightmare to maintain | |
| 23:21 | id deal with that when we get a package ready for debian | |
| 23:22 | gmcharlt | yep, but would mean that our apt repo would serve the same function in Koha-land that apt.postgressql.org does for Pg |
| 23:22 | rangi | ie clean up the copyright, get a working koha package |
| 23:22 | * gmcharlt | fully realizes that he's invoking the invisible smally army of packagers |
| 23:22 | rangi | and then deal with numbering for debian |
| 23:22 | but to solve the problem now of people accidentally going from 3.10.x to 3.12.x because they arent paying attention | |
| 23:22 | pockets would solve that | |
| 23:23 | jcamins | rangi: actually, to my mind the problem is less accidental upgrades and more "uh-oh, what happened to my preferred package?" |
| 23:24 | gmcharlt | rangi: sure -- but I think the more time passes, the more pressure there's going to be to have the pockets be named anything other than squeeze for koha-common itself |
| 23:24 | jcamins | The need for dist-upgrade prevents people upgrading by accident. |
| 23:25 | gmcharlt | jcamins: though, to be pedantic, only by coincidence |
| 23:25 | one could imagine a Koha releae that adds no dependencies | |
| 23:25 | jcamins | Hmmm... yes, I suppose one could. |
| 23:25 | gmcharlt | (one could also imagine porcine aviation, granted) |
| 23:25 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 23:27 | * tcohen | realizes people might be starting to hate him |
| 23:28 | rangi | naw, i just think more important things to work on |
| 23:28 | and that changing the package names unless we get 12 more packagers is not really sustainable | |
| 23:28 | the pockets however could be done | |
| 23:30 | pianohacker | bah. apparently installing dsl service does not, to centurylink's mind, include installing a jack and phone line. that's extra! |
| 23:30 | * pianohacker | grumbles about waiting for his own internets 4 days longer |
| 23:31 | tcohen | how often does debian release? two years? |
| 23:31 | hmm... that'd be 4 koha releases | |
| 23:36 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 23:37 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 23:37 | tcohen | morning dcook |
| 23:37 | dcook | hey ya tcohen :) |
| 23:38 | pianohacker | good night |
| 23:38 | wahanui | I'll be waiting for you to come back, pianohacker. |
| 23:38 | dcook | hehe |
| 23:39 | tcohen | we don't have a fines or overdues table, am i right? |
| 23:40 | dcook | Accountlines contains fine information, but I think only once they've been charged |
| 23:40 | jcamins | There's accountlines and issues. |
| 23:41 | dcook | Oh maybe FU is while accumulating.. |
| 23:41 | rangi | yes it is |
| 23:41 | FU is if the item is still on loan | |
| 23:41 | tcohen | so accountlines/FU means unpaid fine |
| 23:41 | rangi | FU and F can both be paid and unpaid |
| 23:42 | if amountoutstanding = 0 they are paid | |
| 23:42 | one is still acruing though, the other isn't | |
| 23:42 | tcohen | i'm trying to think how to tie an OO model for recording suspensions with the way we handle overdues |
| 23:42 | (and fines) | |
| 23:42 | rangi | we should make |
| 23:42 | Koha::Accounts | |
| 23:42 | and Koha::Accounts::Fines | |
| 23:43 | Koha::Accounts::Payments | |
| 23:43 | * dcook | thought that khall was looking at an accounting rewrite |
| 23:43 | rangi | blah blah |
| 23:43 | wahanui | rumour has it blah blah is important |
| 23:43 | rangi | the hard bit is mapping, but thats soluble |
| 23:43 | tcohen | what about suspensions rangi= |
| 23:43 | rangi | but trying to fit an OO model to something that isnt OO |
| 23:43 | will just make a mess | |
| 23:44 | so you need to start again | |
| 23:44 | and map to your new tables | |
| 23:46 | tcohen | the only thing i didn't figure yet is how to make a suspension a consecquence of an aggregation of overdues |
| 23:47 | something like "all overdues of items that were checked-in the same day" is a suspension |
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