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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | As for the short stories...I don't think I've read any except Minority Report |
| 00:00 | Also...not a big fan of Ubik :p | |
| 00:00 | The Man in the High Castle though... | |
| 00:01 | I wonder if the first Matrix film would even exist if it weren't for PKD | |
| 00:01 | </rant> | |
| 00:01 | cjh | I started by picking up a copy of "Human is?" which is a collection of his short stories, the goal to read 'all' his books still continues. |
| 00:01 | dcook | :D |
| 00:01 | cjh | havent read Ubik, I loved electric sheep :) |
| 00:01 | dcook | Mmm, same |
| 00:02 | Fortunately, I got to read it in a class where we read the book then watched Blade Runner and chatted about it for hours | |
| 00:02 | cjh | IIRC quite a few of his short stories are on project gutenberg |
| 00:02 | dcook | Oooh.. |
| 00:02 | cjh | http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/d#a33399 |
| 00:03 | beyond lies the wub was his first published, and it is still quite fun :) | |
| 00:03 | for me it is probably the most memorable | |
| 00:04 | dcook | I'll have to give it a read :) |
| 00:05 | Just picked up Alex Garland's The Beach, so I might have to re-visit PKD for a catch up when I'm done | |
| 00:08 | * cjh | adds The Beach to goodreads list |
| 00:09 | dcook | Just added Human Is? :D |
| 00:09 | cjh | :) |
| 00:09 | dcook | What's the book at #1 on the list? |
| 00:09 | Dune, lol | |
| 00:10 | Still need to read 1Q84... | |
| 00:10 | I'm only about 100 pages in.. | |
| 00:10 | Not sure that I'm digging Murakami, but willing to give him a chance | |
| 00:11 | jcamins | I love Dune. |
| 00:11 | cjh | I seem to be failing to find their most popular list, I can only find it by month or year. |
| 00:12 | jcamins: did you read any of the later books in the series? | |
| 00:12 | jcamins | cjh: all the ones written by Frank Herbert, and a few by his successors. |
| 00:12 | cjh | xD |
| 00:12 | jcamins | It was painful. |
| 00:13 | I kept on telling myself "surely the next one will be good." | |
| 00:13 | (hint: no) | |
| 00:13 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:13 | Yeah, I had a middle school friend who read a few by the successors. I think I would stop after the originals | |
| 00:13 | cjh | jcamins: so none compare to the first? |
| 00:13 | jcamins | cjh: nope. |
| 00:14 | cjh | I really want to try finish the 3rd and 4th, but it is starting to feel like a chore so they may end up on the 'some day' (hint: never) list. |
| 00:16 | wizzyrea | ... a untarred folder owned by koha in / causes an upgrade. |
| 00:16 | jcamins | I didn't like Speaker for the Dead, either. |
| 00:16 | wizzyrea | heh yea. |
| 00:17 | cjh | there is an Ender's game movie coming out soon, have to try read the book before then :p |
| 00:17 | jcamins | I loved Ender's Game. |
| 00:18 | dcook | So good |
| 00:18 | Loved Ender's Game as well, although never read any sequels | |
| 00:19 | jcamins | I read all the sequels to Ender's Game as well. |
| 00:19 | wizzyrea | trea is a fan of Ender's Game too |
| 00:19 | jcamins | This is a theme with me. |
| 00:19 | cjh | trea++ |
| 00:20 | jcamins | I will slog through excessive numbers of sequels to my favorite books, and I am disappointed, every time. |
| 00:20 | Eventually I give up. | |
| 00:20 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:20 | jcamins | Like Wheel of Time. |
| 00:20 | dcook | What's the definition of insanity again.. |
| 00:20 | jcamins | But that took, what, 30k pages? |
| 00:21 | Okay, only 7715 pages. | |
| 00:22 | Or 2.84 million words. | |
| 00:22 | That's impressive. | |
| 00:23 | dcook | That's a lot of book |
| 00:24 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 00:24 | hankbank joined #koha | |
| 00:25 | jcamins | It sure is. I'd love to know how many words/pages I've read in my life, but I can't even keep track of how much I read this year. |
| 00:25 | dcook | jcamins: Do you use Goodreads? |
| 00:25 | While I'm sure I've missed some books that I've read, I was amazed at how many from my past I was able to suddenly remember (and then track) | |
| 00:26 | jcamins | I do not. |
| 00:26 | Maybe I should try. | |
| 00:26 | I have an account. | |
| 00:26 | I think. | |
| 00:27 | Maybe not. | |
| 00:27 | dcook | I've fallen behind on my use of it over the past few months, but it's pretty handy |
| 00:28 | jcamins | What if I don't want to rate, just check off? |
| 00:28 | dcook | Yep. That works |
| 00:28 | You can do "read", "reading", "want to read" | |
| 00:28 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 00:28 | dcook | I only occasionally rate or review |
| 00:29 | I think rating can sometimes make the process faster though | |
| 00:29 | Like, you have to choose the "read" options from a list | |
| 00:29 | But if you rank, it assumes you've read it, and you can go to the next item in a list | |
| 00:29 | one less click ;) | |
| 00:29 | I find it useful for little notes as well | |
| 00:30 | jcamins | Meh. I'll rate. |
| 00:30 | dcook | For instance, I borrowed 1Q84 fromt he public library |
| 00:30 | back in Vancouver | |
| 00:30 | Only read 106 pages before I had to take it back | |
| 00:30 | cjh | jcamins: did you not like the later wheel of time books? :o |
| 00:30 | jcamins | Wait... this interface is different here. |
| 00:30 | dcook | But I left a little note in Goodreads telling me the page I'm on for when I finally get it from the next library |
| 00:30 | jcamins | cjh: I got bored by the end. |
| 00:30 | cjh | I have only read up to book 5 or so, planning to try read through them again 'some day' |
| 00:30 | jcamins | He realized that he hadn't killed off enough of the Forsaken, and it became silly. |
| 00:31 | Heh. I've read just about all the children's historical fiction. | |
| 00:31 | cjh | heh |
| 00:32 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:32 | jcamins | Johnny Tremain. |
| 00:32 | I was traumatized by that book. | |
| 00:35 | Wow. | |
| 00:35 | I read a lot of these books. | |
| 00:36 | * dcook | thinks jcamins should track all his reads then share his url ;) |
| 00:36 | jcamins | I think I'm going to run out of energy by the time I get to the end of "Best Children's Historical Fiction." |
| 00:36 | dcook | I was just saying that the more people take up Goodreads and the more they rate/mark books, the more utility the site has for the individual |
| 00:36 | Turn it into a part of the nightly routine? ;) | |
| 00:40 | jcamins | A lot of these titles are familiar, but I don't remember if I read them. |
| 00:40 | Probably I did. | |
| 00:41 | So this list is going to woefully incomplete. | |
| 00:44 | dcook | Iterative listing? |
| 00:44 | I know that my list is incomplete as well, but I plan to revisit it again at some point | |
| 00:45 | jcamins | Yeah, that's my plan. |
| 00:55 | jwagner joined #koha | |
| 01:01 | druthb | Meeting in an hour? |
| 01:03 | jcamins | Wait, there's a meeting? |
| 01:03 | druthb | mhm |
| 01:04 | looks like, anyway. | |
| 01:04 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 01:05 | dcook | Really? |
| 01:05 | Huh, it is May after all.. | |
| 01:05 | cjh | oh wow, there is an irc meeting soon :) |
| 01:07 | druthb | I'll be back shortly. |
| 02:00 | BobB | hello |
| 02:00 | jcamins | Looks like it's time for a meeting. |
| 02:01 | BobB | yep |
| 02:01 | * druthb | waves to BobB |
| 02:01 | jcamins | I will not be chairing as -- other than when I'm talking -- I will be putting away cookies. |
| 02:01 | * BobB | smiles and waves back |
| 02:01 | druthb | not it! |
| 02:01 | jwagner | There hasn't been any agenda linked from the wiki page. Is this really the right time? |
| 02:02 | BobB | Hi Jane. This time is in my diary |
| 02:02 | wizzyrea | 7 may 2 utc |
| 02:02 | tomorrow for us I think bobb | |
| 02:02 | jcamins | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_7_May_2013 |
| 02:02 | BobB | Oh. Big oops! |
| 02:02 | jcamins | That is right now. |
| 02:03 | jwagner | I was looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings |
| 02:03 | BobB | Oh. Not big oops. |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Fine, I'll take out the cookies and I'll chair. |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | oh, no, bobb I'm the dumb one |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Warning: I want to go to bed in twenty minutes. |
| 02:03 | BobB | :) |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | I'll chair if you want |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Yes please. :) |
| 02:04 | BobB | wizzyrea +1 |
| 02:04 | RM should not have to chair | |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Also, the cookies aren't done yet. |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | if someone will remind me how to work the bot |
| 02:04 | BobB | burnt cookies -1 |
| 02:04 | jwagner | jcamins, did you make enough for EVERYONE? |
| 02:04 | jcamins | I think it's: #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013 |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013 |
| 02:04 | huginn` | Meeting started Tue May 7 02:04:54 2013 UTC. The chair is wizzyrea. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 02:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 02:04 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013) | |
| 02:04 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013' |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | there we go, please introduce yourselves using #info |
| 02:05 | jcamins | #topic Introductions |
| 02:05 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 02:05 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, TM 3.12 |
| 02:05 | jcamins | #info jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services; RM for 3.12 |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 02:05 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 02:05 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia |
| 02:05 | trea | #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions |
| 02:06 | mtj | #info Mason James, NZ |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | anyone else? |
| 02:06 | * mtj | waves to all |
| 02:06 | BobB | hi mtj |
| 02:06 | mtj | ooh, could be a quicky |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | #topic Announcements |
| 02:06 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013) | |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | does anyone have any? |
| 02:07 | going once | |
| 02:07 | going twice | |
| 02:07 | Right | |
| 02:07 | #Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager | |
| 02:07 | #topic Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager | |
| 02:07 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013) | |
| 02:07 | jcamins | The only person who put a name forward was Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (bgkriegel). |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | Right, do we have any candidates? |
| 02:07 | jcamins | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.14 |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | bgkriegel, about? |
| 02:08 | druthb | bgkriegel++ |
| 02:08 | eythian | #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 02:08 | wizzyrea | I feel weird having a vote to elect him when he's not around |
| 02:08 | mtj | #info -> http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_7_May_2013 |
| 02:08 | BobB | We could elect him subject to his acceptance |
| 02:08 | wizzyrea | There we go I like that |
| 02:08 | druthb | BobB++ |
| 02:09 | jcamins | wizzyrea: he added himself to the docket and sent an e-mail outlining his platform, so I think we can move forward. |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | Ok, all in favor of electing bgkriegel (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel) TM for 3.14 subject to his acceptance of the role, please +1 |
| 02:09 | jcamins | +1 |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 02:09 | druthb | +1 |
| 02:09 | eythian | +1 |
| 02:10 | BobB | +1 |
| 02:10 | * druthb | presses the "easy" button. |
| 02:10 | * wizzyrea | offhandedly wonders if we need to define the corpus necessary to create a quorum |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | :P |
| 02:10 | because that's not a lot of people and this meeting was not well advertised. | |
| 02:10 | HOWEVER. I think it doesn't matter for this particular vote. | |
| 02:11 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | #decided Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as 3.14 Translation Manager |
| 02:11 | Right, so updates | |
| 02:11 | BobB | we are eight (plus Wahanui) I reckon that's a quorum |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | #topic Updates on currently maintained releases |
| 02:11 | Topic for #koha is now Updates on currently maintained releases (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013) | |
| 02:12 | BobB | #info Formal thanks to Ruth for excellent work as outgoing Koha Translation Manager |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | cjh, do you have anything to note regarding 3.8? |
| 02:12 | (if you're about) | |
| 02:12 | cjh | #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea: sorry, was distracted. 3.8 isnt mine yet afaik. | |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | k, and rangi is not here so - on to the 3.12 updates |
| 02:13 | jcamins? | |
| 02:13 | wahanui | somebody said jcamins was brilliant |
| 02:13 | jcamins | #info Koha 3.12.0 will be released on or about May 22. |
| 02:13 | #info Translation updates will be pulled from Pootle on or about May 19, so get your translations finished before then. | |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | how are you feeling generally about 3.12 |
| 02:14 | ? | |
| 02:14 | jcamins | #info As of beta3, Koha 3.12 had 21 features, 159 enhancements and 399 bugfixes |
| 02:14 | Since then I have pushed several more bugfixes, with more yet to come. | |
| 02:14 | BobB | Wow, that's huge |
| 02:15 | cjh | awesome work everyone |
| 02:15 | wizzyrea | yep, jcamins++ |
| 02:15 | cjh | 399 bugfixes is impressive |
| 02:15 | wizzyrea | and everybody |
| 02:15 | wahanui | everybody is so enthusiastic today :) |
| 02:15 | jcamins | #info I plan on releasing one more beta and at least one Release Candidate prior to May 22, subject to the number of applicable bugfixes that are written, signed off, and passed QA. |
| 02:16 | Any bugfixes that do not make any string changes are candidates for 3.12.0, though obviously I will not push anything that seems dangerous. | |
| 02:16 | Anything that I decline to push to 3.12 will be bumped back to 3.14 for gmcharlt to push to master. | |
| 02:16 | And I think that's about it. | |
| 02:17 | 3.12 seems pretty stable, but there are lots of bugs that could use fixing, and there is a desperate need for more testing. | |
| 02:17 | #todo Test all the things! | |
| 02:17 | No, that's wrong. | |
| 02:17 | #action Test all the things! | |
| 02:17 | Any questions? | |
| 02:18 | wizzyrea | are there specific areas that you feel ought to be focussed on? |
| 02:18 | in terms of testing? | |
| 02:18 | jcamins | Hmmm... |
| 02:18 | wizzyrea | areas with massive change that really need some going over? |
| 02:18 | jcamins | I'd love to see more testing in search, because of the QueryParser work, and Acquisitions has seen a lot of flux in this latest release cycle as well. |
| 02:19 | And... | |
| 02:19 | let me check the release notes. | |
| 02:19 | wizzyrea | 3.10 had a hold queue rewrite that is causing some issues, it might be worth going over reserves |
| 02:19 | dcook | #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems, Australia |
| 02:20 | jcamins | Yeah, good call. |
| 02:20 | We're definitely still seeing problems in reserves, so concerted testing would be a very good thing. | |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | Hourly loans seems decently stable finally |
| 02:20 | jcamins | Owen has been checking for regressions in the OPAC due to the patron self-registration, but more eyes make all bugs shallow. |
| 02:21 | BobB | #action Test the Reserves functionality |
| 02:21 | wizzyrea | (specifically, multi branches with transfers) |
| 02:22 | anything else anyone would like to bring up regarding 3.12 | |
| 02:22 | jcamins | Before we move on to Kohacon2013, I have something about 3.14. |
| 02:22 | wizzyrea | Right, then we are in the final countdown to 3.12 - I'm looking forward to it |
| 02:22 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw | |
| 02:22 | druthb | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:22 | wizzyrea | Thanks jcamins for all of his hard work |
| 02:23 | and bravo to everybody for all of their work | |
| 02:23 | onwards | |
| 02:23 | jcamins | #info If the QA team is interested in working on patches for 3.14, that would not be a problem for the 3.12 release. Just set the target release version to 3.14 and get to QAing! |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea | #topic Kohacon2013 |
| 02:23 | Topic for #koha is now Kohacon2013 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013) | |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea | is anyone here who can give an update? |
| 02:24 | last I heard things were ticking along nicely | |
| 02:24 | right then | |
| 02:24 | BobB | Is there a deadline for booking rooms, to help get the free A-V etc? |
| 02:25 | wizzyrea | I would pose that to the list bobb, none of the kohacon people seem to be here |
| 02:25 | BobB | cool, thx |
| 02:25 | dcook | Mmm, good question |
| 02:25 | * dcook | still has to book flights/rooms... |
| 02:26 | wizzyrea | #topic Vote on proposal to increment major version number for every feature release after 3.14 Pi |
| 02:26 | Topic for #koha is now Vote on proposal to increment major version number for every feature release after 3.14 Pi (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013) | |
| 02:26 | BobB | dcook QF has a sale on - get cracking |
| 02:26 | wizzyrea | I'm not certain I feel comfortable voting on this with so few |
| 02:26 | dcook | BobB: I think I'll be going AC but thanks :) |
| 02:26 | BobB | :) |
| 02:26 | jcamins | wizzyrea: especially since we're all just going to abstain? |
| 02:26 | Yeah... | |
| 02:27 | dcook | wizzyrea: Agreed |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | Can we agree to postpone this question to the next meeting, or set up an alternative voting mechanism |
| 02:27 | ? | |
| 02:28 | jcamins | +1 |
| 02:28 | BobB | postpone to next meeting +1 |
| 02:28 | jwagner | +1 |
| 02:28 | dcook | +1 |
| 02:28 | druthb | +1 |
| 02:29 | wizzyrea | anyone else? |
| 02:29 | mtj | erm, +1 :) |
| 02:29 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 02:29 | #decided we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised. | |
| 02:30 | next up - things from last meeting | |
| 02:30 | mtj | #agreed we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised. |
| 02:31 | (meetbot command is #agreed) | |
| 02:31 | jcamins | I don't see any actions for last meeting. |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | yep, I'm not seeing much of anything there really |
| 02:31 | jcamins | *from |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | so time to set the time for the next meeting |
| 02:32 | mtj | ah, #agreed only works for chair… :/ |
| 02:33 | * BobB | didn't know that |
| 02:33 | jcamins | First Wednesday at... 18:00 UTC? |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | it's going to be June 5, 1800 UTC? is my math |
| 02:34 | jcamins | 6 June 2013, 18:00 UTC |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | 6 june even. |
| 02:34 | jcamins | 5 June, yes. |
| 02:34 | No, you were right. | |
| 02:34 | My left hand was a key over. | |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | right, next meeting is at 1800 UTC 5 june |
| 02:34 | anything else? | |
| 02:34 | wahanui | anything else is a guess |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | #agreed we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised. |
| 02:35 | BobB | err, that will be 4am in Sydney - I reckon I'll be an apology |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | bobb - if you want, you could leave your apology with your vote on the wiki |
| 02:36 | that seems fair | |
| 02:36 | jcamins | BobB: no worries, I probably will be too. |
| 02:36 | And it'll be the middle of the day here. | |
| 02:36 | BobB | :) |
| 02:37 | wizzyrea | okie dokie |
| 02:37 | well I thank you all for your participation in today's gathering of community minded people | |
| 02:37 | mtj | #info next meeting is at 1800 UTC 5 june |
| 02:37 | wizzyrea | Minutes will be available on the wiki |
| 02:38 | have a lovely rest of your day/night | |
| 02:38 | #endmeeting | |
| 02:38 | mtj | ...and thank *you* for chairing wizzyrea ++ |
| 02:38 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC | |
| 02:38 | huginn` | Meeting ended Tue May 7 02:38:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 02:38 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-07-02.04.html | |
| 02:38 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-05-07-02.04.txt | |
| 02:38 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]07-02.04.log.html | |
| 02:38 | BobB | Thanks wizzyrea, well done |
| 02:38 | jcamins | wizzyrea: bad news. |
| 02:38 | wahanui | i guess bad news is that you're probably royally screwed |
| 02:38 | BobB | Thanks everyone |
| 02:38 | jcamins | No. |
| 02:38 | The bad news is that I'm going to demand that wizzyrea chair every meeting I attend. | |
| 02:38 | jwagner | Got a question for the New Zealanders on the list.... |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | bad news. |
| 02:38 | wahanui | bad news is that you're probably royally screwed |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 02:38 | jwagner | Is January still spring, or is that considered summer, esp in South Island? |
| 02:39 | trea | January is summer. |
| 02:39 | wizzyrea | lateish summer |
| 02:39 | mtj | bad news is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_News_(band) |
| 02:39 | BobB | jwagner January is a warm as it gets in NZ. Mind you, in south Island, that still may not be very warm |
| 02:39 | jwagner | OK, thanks |
| 02:40 | eythian | no, late jan, early feb is the warmest. Up to about 35° in the warmer parts down south |
| 02:41 | jan itself can be a bit temperamental. | |
| 02:41 | wizzyrea | eythian would know, he's from there. |
| 02:41 | BobB | ..on a good day! :) |
| 02:41 | jwagner | Looking at possibly December or January -- which is likeliest to have the best weather? |
| 02:41 | eythian | statistically, most likely to be January. |
| 02:42 | BobB | statistically, you are likely to be there on the wrong day :) |
| 02:42 | jwagner | OK, will factor that in. Thanks |
| 02:42 | * wizzyrea | expects next summer will be miseralble, because this one was just so great |
| 02:42 | jwagner | probably.... |
| 02:43 | eythian | that's not unreasonable |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea | we topped 30 I think two days here? |
| 02:44 | the rest somewhere around 20-25 | |
| 02:44 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | and like, two months with no measurable rain, that apparently never ever ever happens |
| 02:45 | eythian | that's why they call it a drought |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | har de har |
| 02:46 | eythian | http://natlib.govt.nz/blog/pos[…]xtape-mixes-again <-- wizzyrea et al |
| 02:48 | trea | well, that's certainly something |
| 02:48 | jwagner | good night everyone.... |
| 02:49 | wizzyrea | good night jwagner |
| 02:50 | hey that's preety neat actually | |
| 02:50 | preety | |
| 02:50 | ^ you see my kansas thar | |
| 02:50 | eythian | s/neat/mouf/ ? |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea | kek |
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| 04:16 | eythian | I really need a marccat and marcgrep for searching through and displaying specific tags in marc files when analysing data. |
| 04:16 | wahanui: cait | |
| 04:16 | wahanui | cait is qam, not your secretary |
| 04:16 | eythian | wahanui: cait |
| 04:16 | wahanui | go back to bed, cait. |
| 04:17 | cait | i can't |
| 04:17 | they make noise outside taking the garbage - and it's 6 | |
| 04:17 | eythian | someone stole your bed? |
| 04:17 | that's pretty mean | |
| 04:17 | ah | |
| 04:17 | mtompset | Did I miss the meeting? |
| 04:17 | eythian | mtompset: yes |
| 04:17 | cait | did you decide to rewrite koha in java? |
| 04:18 | or something else severe or crazy? | |
| 04:18 | eythian | cait: no, INTERCAL. |
| 04:18 | cait | ah, no problem then |
| 04:19 | mtompset | Oh well. I was in another meeting. Data conversion. :) |
| 04:21 | * wizzyrea | giggles at the bed thiefs. |
| 04:21 | wizzyrea | thieves* |
| 04:21 | command of english, I has it. | |
| 04:23 | eythian | those workers of ill! |
| 04:25 | cait | is it me being tired or you 2 being silly? |
| 04:26 | eythian | yep. |
| 04:30 | cait | ah ok |
| 04:31 | yuo had a short meeting | |
| 04:31 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 04:33 | * dcook | wonders when it becam 2:33pm... |
| 04:35 | mtompset | It hasn't, depending on your time zone. :P |
| 04:36 | It's 12:35AM (just after midnight). :) | |
| 04:36 | And seeing as my library colleague is likely on lunch, I think I'll go to bed now. | |
| 04:36 | Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. | |
| 05:49 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 05:49 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (3:30 PM EST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:49 | dcook | Lies. The office feels freezing... |
| 06:04 | If anyone is around, any advice on adding columns to the database? | |
| 06:04 | * dcook | thinks that looking through every sub that references a table (z3950servers) is awfully tiresome, but perhaps necessary |
| 06:08 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:08 | dcook | hey magnuse :) |
| 06:08 | magnuse | g'day mate! |
| 06:09 | @wunder boo | |
| 06:09 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 6.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:09 | dcook | Perhaps a bit chillier than here. Maybe I should stop whingeing |
| 06:10 | magnuse | hehe |
| 06:10 | nah, everything is relative | |
| 06:10 | cait | pragmatic_librarians++ |
| 06:10 | magnuse | relatively speaking |
| 06:10 | kia ora cait! | |
| 06:11 | cait | hi magnuse:) |
| 06:11 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 06:11 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 13.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:11 | magnuse | bgkriegel++ |
| 06:11 | pragmatic librarians? | |
| 06:14 | * dcook | thinks that a lot of Z39.50.pm might be deprecated... |
| 06:15 | cait | magnuse: in general :) |
| 06:16 | magnuse | cait: yay! |
| 06:19 | * cait | starts retesting bug 10185 |
| 06:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10185 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase.pl remove all reserves |
| 06:32 | magnuse | cait++ |
| 06:34 | cait | so far it looks good |
| 06:34 | making another test run now with data in old_reserves | |
| 06:34 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:35 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:35 | dcook | salut alex_a,reiveune |
| 06:38 | magnuse | bonjour alex_a reiveune |
| 06:42 | alex_a | bonjour magnuse dcook |
| 06:42 | and cait | |
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| 06:50 | jajm | hello |
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| 06:51 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 07:00 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:00 | dcook | hey ya asaurat |
| 07:06 | Ack...gotta head out...but want to post z39.50 authority search patch... | |
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| 07:12 | dcook | Alas, no time. Tomorrow |
| 07:12 | Good day/night, everyone | |
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| 07:34 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:34 | wahanui | salut, gaetan_B |
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| 07:38 | huginn` | GERMS!!!! |
| 07:38 | wahanui | it has been said that germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 07:38 | kf | wahanui botsnack germs |
| 07:38 | wahanui | thanks kf :) |
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| 08:13 | amitgupta_ | heya bag |
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| 08:49 | zorky | Hello, anyone here who can help me with a problem regarding koha? |
| 08:50 | kf | ask your question - if someone can help they will speak up |
| 08:50 | but it's still kind of a quiet time of the day for koha | |
| 08:50 | zorky | i need to change the language from english to danish. but when i followed the guide presented on the danish site for koha. i got errors, and the file that it says it want, dosent exist |
| 08:51 | kf | add additional languages? |
| 08:51 | hm i thought i told the bot | |
| 08:51 | additional languages? | |
| 08:51 | languages? | |
| 08:51 | wahanui | languages are just tools, you should pick the right one for the right job |
| 08:51 | zorky | no , change the english to only danish. so danish is the only language |
| 08:51 | kf | zorky: give me a minute - I will have to find the link myself hten :) |
| 08:52 | amitgupta_ | heya kf |
| 08:52 | zorky | http://koha.dk/?p=installation-af-ekstra-sprog |
| 08:52 | there. it's in danish tho | |
| 08:52 | kf | first you need to install the language |
| 08:52 | that is done on the command line | |
| 08:52 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client | |
| 08:53 | then there are system preferences for turning on/off languages | |
| 08:53 | magnuse | huh, there is a danish koha website? |
| 08:53 | kf | opaclanguage language and something named languagechooser or similar |
| 08:53 | you will find those on the i18n tab in system preferences | |
| 08:53 | but the blog is not wrong about those it seems hm. | |
| 08:54 | what kind of errors do you see? it's possible the po files for danish have problems or are a bit outdated | |
| 08:54 | zorky | after i ran the sudo ./translate install da-DK i got a error |
| 08:54 | kf | what was the error? |
| 08:54 | you can use paste? | |
| 08:54 | paste? | |
| 08:54 | wahanui | I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 08:54 | zorky | 2 sec need to ssh into the computer to ru nthe command again |
| 08:54 | kf | to show us :) |
| 08:55 | danish looks pretty well maintained on pootle :) | |
| 08:55 | http://translate.koha-community.org/da/ | |
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| 08:56 | zorky | http://pastebin.com/LwwptNTs |
| 08:56 | theres the error it gave me after i ran the install command | |
| 08:56 | kf | you have a problem with your environment variables |
| 08:56 | magnuse | i think someone called Lars Helbo has done a lot of work on it - looks like he is behind the website too |
| 08:56 | kf | i think i mailed with him in german once |
| 08:56 | he seemed nice :) | |
| 08:56 | magnuse | :-) |
| 08:57 | the blog posts have dates, but no years... | |
| 08:57 | kf | zorky: i think you might have wrong paths here: |
| 08:57 | export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib | |
| 08:57 | zorky | yeah |
| 08:57 | kf | it depends how you installed koha, where those files will be |
| 08:57 | those are the paths for a standard installatin using tarballs | |
| 08:57 | zorky | but instead of the koha-conf.xml i have something else |
| 08:58 | kf | how did you install koha? |
| 08:58 | magnuse | zorky: how did you install? |
| 08:59 | zorky | koha-conf-site.xml.in is the only file in /etc/koha |
| 08:59 | kf | yes, because your installation is differnt |
| 08:59 | zorky | magnuse: gimme a sec |
| 08:59 | magnuse | ah, that is a package install then |
| 08:59 | kf | did you use the packages? |
| 08:59 | magnuse: can yo hint on the right paths for packages? | |
| 08:59 | magnuse | zorky: did you create an instance with koha-create? |
| 09:00 | koha-conf.xml should be in /etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml | |
| 09:00 | where <instancename> = the name you gave your instance when you ran koha-create | |
| 09:01 | zorky | tbh, i have no idea. i got told to change the language on koha. the guy that installed it are no longer reachable |
| 09:01 | magnuse | ah, fun |
| 09:02 | does "ls /etc/koha/sites/" give you anything? | |
| 09:02 | kf | guess the question is whatyou have in ..sites then :) |
| 09:02 | zorky | but i think it might be form a package of some sort |
| 09:02 | the ls /etc/koha/sites give me a folder call'd Biblioteket | |
| 09:03 | magnuse | ah, that is your instance then |
| 09:03 | let me find the right incantations for you | |
| 09:03 | zorky | found the correct xml file |
| 09:04 | kf | zorky: but package installation is good news |
| 09:04 | magnuse | you have to do: |
| 09:04 | cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/ | |
| 09:04 | zorky | so the export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml would be export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml ? |
| 09:04 | magnuse | sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/demo/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install nb-NO |
| 09:05 | kf | better change somethings... or you end up with norwegian ;) |
| 09:05 | magnuse | you have to run the translate script with sudo, so exporting variables as your regular user will not help |
| 09:05 | yeah, use the right language code at the end there | |
| 09:05 | zorky | so doing it like this |
| 09:06 | magnuse | so this should do it: sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK |
| 09:06 | zorky | •cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/ |
| 09:06 | •export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml | |
| 09:06 | •export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib | |
| 09:06 | •sudo ./translate install da-DK | |
| 09:06 | magnuse | no, you have to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB in the same command as "sudo translate..." |
| 09:07 | kf | zorky: fwiw - in the upcoming 3.12 there will be nicer commands for doing it, but when you do as magnuse says it will work fine for you now, we have German isntalled that way |
| 09:07 | magnuse | and i have norwegian and sewdish installed that way :-) |
| 09:08 | zorky | i think i might be stupid |
| 09:08 | i ran that command magnuse told me to. from the /usr/share/koha/misc/translator and i get this error | |
| 09:08 | magnuse | probably not ;-) |
| 09:09 | zorky | unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm line 360. |
| 09:09 | unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm line 360. | |
| 09:09 | Can't call method "config" on an undefined value at LangInstaller.pm line 48. | |
| 09:12 | magnuse | huh? |
| 09:12 | does /etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml exist? | |
| 09:12 | zorky | yes |
| 09:13 | kf | hm there are 2 // |
| 09:13 | wahanui | Hmm. No matches for that, kf. |
| 09:13 | kf | t /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm |
| 09:13 | maybe some typo? | |
| 09:13 | zorky | i copied what magnuse wrote |
| 09:14 | sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK | |
| 09:14 | kf | maybe kill the trailing /? |
| 09:14 | not sure | |
| 09:14 | zorky | still same error |
| 09:15 | just to be sure. i have to run this command form the translator folder right? | |
| 09:15 | kf | yes |
| 09:15 | hm magnuse? | |
| 09:15 | wahanui | magnuse is a Norwegian giant. |
| 09:16 | zorky | can this be something to do with. me trying to use 3.10? |
| 09:16 | kf | 3.10 should be fine |
| 09:16 | did you update? | |
| 09:17 | i mean are you only using the newer po files? or is your installation 3.10? | |
| 09:17 | zorky | no, not that i know of |
| 09:17 | im using the 3.10 po files | |
| 09:17 | but there is 4 of them on the translate page | |
| 09:17 | kf | you can see your kohaversion in more > about |
| 09:17 | zorky | http://translate.koha-community.org/da/310/ |
| 09:17 | kf | ideally you should be using th efiles that came with the installation |
| 09:17 | because they will exactly match your version | |
| 09:18 | rangi | what does ls -l /etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml |
| 09:18 | tell you | |
| 09:18 | zorky | -rw-r----- 1 root biblioteket-koha 12125 jan 15 13:53 /etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml |
| 09:18 | rangi | there your problem |
| 09:19 | its b | |
| 09:19 | not B | |
| 09:19 | kf | rangi++ :) |
| 09:19 | rangi | so try the command magnuse gave you, but with biblioteket |
| 09:19 | not Biblioteket | |
| 09:19 | zorky | it's thinking :P |
| 09:20 | rangi | that means its working |
| 09:20 | linux is case sensitive :) | |
| 09:20 | magnuse | yay rangi++ |
| 09:20 | kf | if you want to see what it's thinking add -v next time :) |
| 09:20 | zorky | yeah i know :P just didn't see the big B :P |
| 09:20 | magnuse | i saw it and thought it might be up to no good, but then forgot about it again... |
| 09:21 | zorky | it's done |
| 09:21 | http://pastebin.com/VbNvnEaE | |
| 09:21 | this is what it said. dunno if thats regarding the danish package? | |
| 09:22 | rangi | yes the translator made a mistake |
| 09:22 | zorky | so it's nothing to worry about |
| 09:23 | magnuse | i think it means that one string was skipped |
| 09:24 | rangi | depends, if it continued on and did the rest then no, if it stopped at that point then yes |
| 09:24 | zorky | it continued |
| 09:24 | magnuse | yay |
| 09:25 | zorky | now, here comes another problem. whenever i connect to the koha site. i type localhost:8001 and login with the credentials i got handed to me. which is the admin user. but i can't find anything resembling some sort of admin interface where i can control anything |
| 09:25 | magnuse | zorky: would you mind telling us where you are using koha? i'm just curious about koha in the nordic area... :-) |
| 09:26 | zorky: have a look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/biblioteket (eller Biblioteket) - that should show you two different sites | |
| 09:26 | one public and one for admin | |
| 09:27 | kf | zorky: the admin interface is also the librarian's interface - so there are only 2 things. opac for the user and staff interface |
| 09:27 | zorky | It's a independent school that uses it :) |
| 09:27 | magnuse | ah, cool |
| 09:29 | zorky | the intranet the admin one? |
| 09:29 | magnuse | intranet = admin |
| 09:29 | we never settled on one name for that, i think | |
| 09:32 | zorky | so i think i changed it to danish |
| 09:32 | but | |
| 09:32 | half of it seems to be in english | |
| 09:33 | magnuse | that would happen if the translation is not complete |
| 09:35 | kf | magnuse: hm but it should be if he used the files from pootle |
| 09:35 | zorky | so the one that the librarian needs to use to lend books. is 8001. and the intranet = admin site is 8000? |
| 09:35 | kf | zorky: can you check the version for koha installed? in more > about? |
| 09:35 | magnuse | zorky: that depends on how the installation is set up |
| 09:35 | kf | zorky: those are the same |
| 09:36 | zorky | 3.10.02.000 |
| 09:36 | kf | user = patrons in the library, searching books, placing holds etc. |
| 09:36 | zorky | ahh |
| 09:36 | kf | the librarians use the admin, there is only the admin :) |
| 09:36 | so one is for the library users, one is for the staff users | |
| 09:37 | zorky | shouldn't the interface where i set the language and such. be translated to danish? |
| 09:38 | magnuse | yup, it should |
| 09:39 | zorky | it's still in english |
| 09:39 | magnuse | http://translate.koha-community.org/da/ says the 3.10 translation is complete |
| 09:39 | rangi | not in 3.10.2 it might not have been |
| 09:39 | magnuse | yeah, i was just thinking that |
| 09:39 | zorky: is there a language chooser at the bottom of the page? | |
| 09:39 | also you have to activate danish if it has not been installed before | |
| 09:40 | Home › Administration › System preferences > I18N/L10N | |
| 09:40 | zorky | i activated the danish under more > administration > I18N/L10N |
| 09:40 | magnuse | ah, ok |
| 09:41 | and did you choose it in the language chooser at the bottom of the page? | |
| 09:41 | zorky | but im using the 3.10 language pack from the translate page. do i need to use 3.2 instead? |
| 09:41 | no i didn't` | |
| 09:41 | rangi | where did you put the .po files when you downloaded them? |
| 09:42 | zorky | into the usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/da-DK |
| 09:42 | and | |
| 09:42 | rangi | that wont work |
| 09:43 | you need to put them in the misc/translator/po | |
| 09:43 | zorky | ohh |
| 09:43 | magnuse | /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ |
| 09:43 | zorky | then www.koha.dk is not working then |
| 09:43 | all of the 3 files? | |
| 09:43 | rangi | then run your translate install command again |
| 09:43 | yes | |
| 09:43 | kf | all 4 even I think |
| 09:44 | zorky | okay |
| 09:44 | so which version of the language packs do i need? | |
| 09:44 | magnuse | no, the instructions here are wrong: http://koha.dk/?p=installation-af-ekstra-sprog |
| 09:44 | kf | zorky: you want 3.10 - but those will not exactly match your version |
| 09:44 | magnuse | http://translate.koha-community.org/da/310/ |
| 09:45 | kf | because they get updated for each current 3.10.x release and you are a bit behind |
| 09:45 | they should still be working | |
| 09:46 | zorky | ahh |
| 09:46 | so the best i should do is to use the 3.2? | |
| 09:46 | kf | no 3.10 |
| 09:46 | zorky | okay :P |
| 09:46 | kf | just might be there are stillsome strings missing |
| 09:46 | 3.2 would be horrible | |
| 09:46 | there were a gazillion changes and additions since then | |
| 09:48 | zorky | ahh |
| 09:50 | there is allrdy danish po files in the misc/translator/po folder. do i have to make a da-DK folder to put them in? | |
| 09:50 | magnuse | no, replace the ones that are there |
| 09:51 | all the .po files go in the same folder | |
| 09:52 | hm, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client needs to be updated | |
| 09:52 | kf | magnuse: are you volunteering? ;) |
| 09:53 | magnuse | nope :-) |
| 09:53 | at least not to day | |
| 09:54 | zorky | still in english |
| 09:55 | kf | it might be the cookie |
| 09:55 | you deactivated english? | |
| 09:55 | zorky | yes |
| 09:55 | kf | did you use the language chooser? |
| 09:55 | to switch to danish before you deactiated it? | |
| 09:55 | zorky | what language chooser? |
| 09:55 | wahanui | language chooser is really an important element and browser detection not a good way to do it |
| 09:56 | kf | normally it shows one at the bottom of each page, if you activated it in the i18n tab and when more than one language is active |
| 09:56 | magnuse | if yo have activated more than one language there is a "bar" at the bootom of every page in the admin that lets you choose you language |
| 09:58 | zorky | ahh i see it now |
| 09:58 | nope. still english when i click on it.. actually. nothing happends except the sites tries to load. and nothing happen | |
| 09:59 | kf | hm |
| 09:59 | werid | |
| 09:59 | there was no error when using th enw po files, right? when you ran the translation script? | |
| 10:00 | zorky | ohh well. lunch break is coming up. and i have to go right after. i'll hop onto this irc channel tom.. then im gonna take a backup of koha. and reinstall the damn thing. |
| 10:00 | sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK | |
| 10:00 | tmpl_process3.pl: Warning: unconsistent %s count: (7/6): | |
| 10:00 | line: 20043 | |
| 10:00 | msgid: "%s Item type is normally not for loan. %s %s Item is normally not for loan %s(%s)%s. %s Check out anyway? " | |
| 10:00 | msgstr: "%s Eksemplartypen er normalt ikke til udlån. %s %s Eksemplaret er normalt ikke til udlån %s(%s)%s. Udlåne alligevel? " | |
| 10:00 | i ran the sudo command and all that. then got this | |
| 10:00 | kf | sometiems a translation error can make the script die |
| 10:01 | not all tempaltes would be created | |
| 10:01 | and it falls back to english | |
| 10:01 | you might want to look into fixing this error | |
| 10:01 | zorky | ahh |
| 10:01 | kf | it's just a typo in one of the po files |
| 10:02 | zorky | i just ran the command with -v at the end. and i got 1 install succesfull. then it moved onto a ton of other lines creating |
| 10:02 | it seems to be succesfull | |
| 10:02 | kf | some might have succeded |
| 10:02 | is youropac danish? | |
| 10:02 | where opac is the other url yougot | |
| 10:02 | zorky | with no errors on the install this time |
| 10:03 | still not working. | |
| 10:03 | ohh well im gonna grap some lunch. will come back tommorrow. | |
| 10:03 | thanks for all the help :) | |
| 10:03 | kf | good luck |
| 10:09 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 10:09 | rangi++ | |
| 10:25 | gaetan_B | does someone know how the transliteration rules in words-icu.xml work and do they do exactly ? |
| 10:26 | and *what do they do | |
| 10:26 | kf | magnuse++ |
| 10:27 | gaetan_B: did you see this? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]of_Arabic_records | |
| 10:28 | gaetan_B | kf: yes, i am actually trying to understand why we do that |
| 10:28 | and what does it change | |
| 10:28 | kf | it transliterates |
| 10:28 | we got rules for example for ue and ü | |
| 10:28 | gaetan_B | one one side we have bah and on the other al bah |
| 10:28 | for instance | |
| 10:28 | kf | so when you search for ü you will also get results for ue |
| 10:28 | because both can be the same | |
| 10:29 | or ß is transliterated to ss - so when searching fuss or fuß you will still get all the same results | |
| 10:29 | you can also use it to define how whitespace and some characters are treated | |
| 10:30 | icu is not koha specific, maybe google? | |
| 10:31 | gaetan_B | ok so if you don't do that, your search won't be very good but that shouldn't be a reason for zebra to crash on some records |
| 10:31 | rangi | or Ö and oe |
| 10:31 | gaetan_B | it's ok i understand why it's there now |
| 10:31 | kf | http://userguide.icu-project.o[…]ransforms/general |
| 10:31 | gaetan_B | but it doesn't seem to explain my problem |
| 10:32 | it's clear now that the problem with these records come from some arabic characters | |
| 10:32 | but not one specific character | |
| 10:32 | rather a combination of some in a certain order | |
| 10:32 | magnuse | ooh, that sounds like fun... ;-) |
| 10:33 | * gaetan_B | really should have learnt arabic maybe |
| 10:33 | kf | i think karam created that page |
| 10:33 | maybe he would be able to help | |
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| 10:35 | * magnuse | wanders off to lunch and translating |
| 10:46 | kf | gaetan_B: does it work when you remove a part of the transliteration rules and reindex? or something like that? |
| 10:46 | gaetan_B | kf: i was about to try adding some actually |
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| 10:47 | gaetan_B | removing them doesn't help much |
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| 10:47 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 10:47 | kf | oh ok |
| 10:47 | ask drojf *hide* | |
| 10:47 | gaetan_B | actually we have a few more records that make zebra crash without these rules |
| 10:47 | drojf | ?? |
| 10:47 | gaetan_B | so maybe we need more for kurdish indeed |
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| 10:47 | drojf | gaetan_B: zebra fun? |
| 10:47 | gaetan_B | is Karam around on the channel sometimes or should i rather email him *? |
| 10:48 | drojf: precisely :D | |
| 10:48 | kf | i think email woudl work better, but if it's specific to kurdish he might not know |
| 10:49 | gaetan_B | with a healthy dose of a script i can't really read in there (though i did learn a minimal amount, which right now, turns out to be just enough to understand why we needed these extra rules in words-icu.xml!) |
| 10:49 | * drojf | takes a look at the log |
| 10:49 | gaetan_B | he will not know indeed, but what i want to know is whether these extra rules are needed just to make search easier (ie finding both ueber and über) or does zebra fail without them |
| 10:51 | drojf | gaetan_B: what rules do you have? |
| 10:51 | those from the wiki page? | |
| 10:51 | gaetan_B | drojf: yep |
| 10:52 | drojf | it would probably help if i had learned some arabic ^^ |
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| 10:54 | gaetan_B | drojf: what these rules mean here is that something like "al arabiyah" should be indexed as "arabiyah" |
| 10:55 | because in arabic you have to add "al" before nouns quite often | |
| 10:55 | anyway, i'll send an email to Karam, he probably knows better | |
| 10:55 | drojf | gaetan_B: yeah. regarding your question if it would work without, i suppose it would and the rules are just a plus for certain cases |
| 10:56 | i use icu here without any rules so far. but not for arabic yet | |
| 10:56 | kf: did you put the rules in icu or in the non-icu charmap thing? | |
| 10:58 | gaetan_B: how does it crash? does zebra crash while indexing? or does the OPAC not work? | |
| 10:58 | gaetan_B | zebra crashes while indexing |
| 10:58 | with a pretty obscure message | |
| 10:58 | "couldn't reach commit" or something | |
| 11:00 | drojf | and without the rules? |
| 11:01 | gaetan_B | same problem, but 20 more records crash |
| 11:01 | so i might need more rules | |
| 11:01 | or | |
| 11:01 | it could be completely unrelated | |
| 11:02 | drojf | i don't think it should crash because of missing rules. then again, it's pretty weird you got more crashing without them :) |
| 11:02 | gaetan_B | yes , but we changed everything that is said we should change on the wiki at the same time |
| 11:03 | so it's not necessarily linked to these rules | |
| 11:03 | now that i know what they do | |
| 11:03 | i tend to think it's not related | |
| 11:04 | drojf | do you have a test record to play with? |
| 11:07 | jcamins | I find the way my filters aren't deleting new messages in that conversation disturbing. |
| 11:07 | I had the good sense not to read them, at least. | |
| 11:07 | drojf | poor jcamins |
| 11:07 | wahanui | will he ever win the cataloguing war? |
| 11:07 | drojf | hahahah |
| 11:07 | jcamins | lol |
| 11:07 | drojf | wahanui++ |
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| 11:17 | kf | gaetan_B: you reindex with -x are you? |
| 11:18 | gaetan_B | kf: not always why ? |
| 11:18 | you think it would make a difference , | |
| 11:18 | *? | |
| 11:18 | kf | becasue one of the fields might be too big or something |
| 11:18 | i would tr y it | |
| 11:19 | jcamins | gaetan_B: do you get an error message? |
| 11:19 | gaetan_B | jcamins: "previous transaction didn't reach commit", that's it... |
| 11:20 | jcamins | When you run with several -vs, you don't get "STACK SMASHING DETECTED" or something like that? |
| 11:20 | * kf | gets the popcorn |
| 11:21 | gaetan_B | jcamins: we did something like koha_rebuild_zebra -b -v -v --where "biblionumber = 17371"; and i don't think we had that |
| 11:21 | jcamins | Hmm. |
| 11:22 | In that case it's not the problem I've encountered before, which is incorrect encoding. | |
| 11:22 | I think kf's suggestion of trying -x is a good one. | |
| 11:23 | gaetan_B | well, i'll go for lunch now and try it this afternoon then, :) |
| 11:23 | jcamins | Also, how many records? |
| 11:24 | gaetan_B | jcamins: total around 40 000, out of which 350 are giving us troubels |
| 11:24 | *troubles | |
| 11:24 | jcamins | Oh, wow. |
| 11:24 | I never saw errors on fewer than 400k. | |
| 11:33 | khall | mornin kf, jcamins, et al! |
| 11:34 | kf | hi khall |
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| 11:39 | * magnuse | wonders if Viktor's computer might have narcolepsy |
| 11:40 | kf | lol |
| 11:42 | drojf | lol |
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| 11:43 | * kf | hands Viktor coffee |
| 11:44 | Viktor | Thanks kf :) |
| 11:44 | All well with you? | |
| 11:45 | kf | yeah, busy and well |
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| 11:50 | drojf | universitywifi-- |
| 11:51 | Viktor | Glad to hear kf |
| 11:52 | kf | drojf: still? you should switch university... um. |
| 11:52 | drojf | it's ridiculous. every time i work here the wifi goes down for at least a few minutes around 2pm |
| 11:53 | or it goes down a lot :/ | |
| 11:53 | kf | everytime you work ther... |
| 11:53 | Viktor: all wellwith you too? | |
| 11:54 | drojf | kf: you think it's me? :D |
| 11:54 | kf | well... |
| 11:54 | Viktor | It is :) kf |
| 11:56 | Question - Is it ok to start translating the staff interface of 3.12? | |
| 11:56 | jcamins | YES! |
| 11:56 | Definitely! | |
| 11:56 | Translate away! | |
| 11:56 | Viktor | Thanks jcamins |
| 11:57 | jcamins | You have until May 19 or so. |
| 11:58 | Viktor | I'm going to start our translator on the swedish staff interface. But they will not be done by may 19 since it's the entire interface since it's the first time it's translated. |
| 11:58 | I'll post as much as we have (if any) by may 19. | |
| 11:58 | jcamins | Well, make sure you upload what they've finished by then so that some of the Swedish translation can go in. :) |
| 11:59 | Viktor | Will do. |
| 11:59 | kf | :) |
| 11:59 | Viktor | I guess people can still pull the translation from pootle. |
| 11:59 | But 3.14 should come fully translated from start then if we update the new strings next time. | |
| 12:00 | Thanks for the help! | |
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| 12:17 | khall | I'm a bit confuzzled. I've created a new field biblio.branchcode ( varchar 10 ), and mapped it to 951$o in the marc editor. Now, when I edit the record in Koha, and put a value in 951$o I expected it to also put that value in the new field I created, but it doesn't |
| 12:17 | jcamins | khall: did you map it for all the frameworks? |
| 12:17 | khall | And yet the existing mapped fields appear to work just fine |
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| 12:18 | khall | I'm only using the default framework, but I've also tried re-mapping it with the Koha to MARC mapping tool |
| 12:18 | jcamins | If you mapped it for only some frameworks, you might be inadvertantly using the wrong framework when cataloging. |
| 12:18 | Also, you restarted memcached/Plack? | |
| 12:18 | khall | I'm not running either of those |
| 12:18 | no apache log output either | |
| 12:20 | though I suspect the edit saves the record via ajax, so I wouldn't see the errors anyway, right? | |
| 12:20 | kf | makes me curious what you are trying to do here |
| 12:20 | oleonard | Sorry for missing the meeting, #koha. |
| 12:20 | kf | hi oleonard - no worries, i missed it too |
| 12:20 | drojf | oh there was a meeting? |
| 12:20 | jcamins | oleonard: it was a great meeting. :) |
| 12:20 | khall | I'm trying to add a feature such that a bib record can be 'owned' by a library, and only that library can edit the record |
| 12:20 | drojf | ah the nightish one |
| 12:20 | jcamins | khall: you saw... |
| 12:21 | oleonard | We should elect an official "meeting tomorrow" reminder person. |
| 12:21 | jcamins | @query mandumah |
| 12:21 | huginn` | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod |
| 12:21 | jcamins | ^^ bug 9055 |
| 12:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod |
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| 12:22 | oleonard | No minutes on the wiki? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_7_May_2013 |
| 12:22 | khall | jcamins, not quite the same thing, but interesting none the less! |
| 12:22 | magnuse | oleonard: http://meetings.koha-community.org/ |
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| 12:23 | khall | however, I still have no idea why my mapping isn't working! |
| 12:23 | jcamins | khall: yeah, I didn't look closely at that, but I know it's related to limiting permissions/visibility to specific libraries, so I wanted to make sure it wasn't a duplicate. |
| 12:23 | Might as well save you the trouble if a patch was already around. | |
| 12:23 | khall | nope! |
| 12:24 | I think I'll start with a fresh install | |
| 12:24 | jcamins | Does it work if you use the global MARC mapping rather than the in-framework mapping? |
| 12:25 | khall | it doesn't seem to help, but I did the in-framework first. I'm going to start fresh and do the global first |
| 12:26 | drojf | after reading the log of the meeting i desire cookies. apart from that… congratulations to bgkriegel! |
| 12:26 | magnuse | yeah bgkriegel++ |
| 12:27 | and the numbering vote was postponed | |
| 12:28 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 5 June 2013 at 18:00 UTC | |
| 12:28 | drojf | great, i will come up with a lot of numbering schemes until then |
| 12:29 | oleonard | You would think Google Calendar's natural language date parser would understand what "UTC" meant, being a global company and all |
| 12:31 | drojf | if it is google it probably relies on your personal data to know what time it is in your area |
| 12:31 | oleonard | If I use "GMT" it works, and correctly calculates it for my time zone. |
| 12:32 | drojf | can you leave it out? maybe it is the default |
| 12:33 | oleonard | If I just put in "18:00" Google thinks I mean 6PM in my time zone. |
| 12:34 | drojf | ah, there is the personal information thingy :P bu you're right, it's weird not to have UTC |
| 12:34 | s/bu/but | |
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| 12:46 | drojf | bug 9961 is waiting for qa |
| 12:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser |
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| 12:50 | tcohen | What? Its already May 7? |
| 12:51 | oleonard | It was even May 7 last night tcohen! |
| 12:52 | tcohen | I missed the meeting! |
| 12:52 | khall | found my problem. I didn't realize the biblio table fields were hardcoded in _koha_modify_biblio and _koha_add_biblio |
| 12:53 | drojf | oleonard: i am trying bug 10201. where do i upload the patron image in staff client? |
| 12:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10201 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Old OPAC patron update system should be removed |
| 12:53 | oleonard | drojf: The patron detail page |
| 12:53 | moremember.pl | |
| 12:53 | drojf | ah i found it! thanks |
| 13:02 | oleonard: /cgi-bin/koha/opac-patron-image.pl does not do anything for me | |
| 13:02 | is there an extra syspref for image in opac that i missed? | |
| 13:03 | oleonard | patronimages |
| 13:03 | OPACpatronimages | |
| 13:04 | drojf | ah thanks. i had patronimages and assumed that was all |
| 13:04 | i should just have scrolled down :( | |
| 13:04 | * drojf | needs caffeine |
| 13:04 | oleonard | System preferences are a vast and tangled forest. |
| 13:09 | gaetan_B | kf: to answer your question more clearly, actually we always index with -x (i wasn't sure because reiveune does this, not me!) |
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| 13:09 | reiveune | it's true |
| 13:09 | wahanui | I saw it on Digg! |
| 13:10 | reiveune | Hi kf :) |
| 13:10 | * jcamins | laughs hysterically. |
| 13:10 | * Dyrcona | lols |
| 13:10 | kf | hi all :) |
| 13:10 | jcamins | ... discussions moot I think. |
| 13:12 | kf | khall: don't forget adding it to deletedsmething as well |
| 13:12 | your new field | |
| 13:12 | or I will fail qa it immediately :P | |
| 13:12 | khall | kf: thanks for the fyi ; ) |
| 13:12 | * kf | remembers now the last time she found out those fields were hardcoded... |
| 13:13 | kf | we almost always forget the deleted* old_* tables |
| 13:13 | magnuse | marcmustdie! |
| 13:13 | alex_a | :) |
| 13:13 | s/must/will/ | |
| 13:14 | magnuse | yay! |
| 13:14 | jcamins: unsure how to parse that... is it irony or not? | |
| 13:15 | jcamins | magnuse: irony. |
| 13:15 | Definitely irony. | |
| 13:15 | Bibframe... well on its way... RDA... | |
| 13:15 | * jcamins | bursts out into laughter again. |
| 13:15 | magnuse | well, if you believe the hype... |
| 13:15 | any mention of embedded punctuation makes my brain stop | |
| 13:16 | kf | jcamins: did you take your frog pills today? |
| 13:16 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 13:16 | You're telling me you don't find that funny? | |
| 13:17 | kf | just a little worried |
| 13:19 | jcamins | kf: "Bibframe" and "done" in the same sentence are something like "Overdrive" and "user friendly." |
| 13:29 | magnuse | hehe |
| 13:33 | tcohen | fredericd: can we move on with the inclusion of your indexer in Koha? |
| 13:34 | I'd like to work on recovering the daemon from temporal DB connection problems also | |
| 13:43 | kf | tcohen: maybe try emailing him :) |
| 13:44 | drojf++ for bug 9961 | |
| 13:44 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser |
| 13:46 | tcohen | thanks kf |
| 13:51 | good evening kf BTW | |
| 13:51 | kf | evening? :) |
| 13:52 | tcohen | night? |
| 13:52 | wahanui | night is ¡oh noche amable mas que el aluorada! |
| 13:53 | tcohen | hmm, i didn't realize it was only 5 hour diff from argentina in konstanz |
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| 14:03 | ashimema | Any zebra 'experts' in the house? |
| 14:04 | I think i've now got my head around most of it.. but wondered if anyone could explain how the cql.properties config files relates to the whole thing? | |
| 14:07 | To elaborate.. i'm happy with adding fields for searching to both koha and sru.. using the combination of record.abs, bib1.att, ccl.properties and search.pm.. (or pqf.properties for sru searching).. ccl.properties is a mystery and searching the koha wiki brings up nought. | |
| 14:12 | tcohen | has anyone noticed performance issues with the now() function in MySQL? |
| 14:12 | we are having 20sec updates on the issues table on chekout | |
| 14:12 | and cannot figure what the problem is | |
| 14:16 | kf | is that something thatis in normal koha? |
| 14:17 | i mean a customization or soemthing special? | |
| 14:18 | ashimema: maybe try asking on the mailing list or later | |
| 14:18 | tcohen: guess i just wanted to say this doesn't sound normal | |
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| 14:20 | tcohen | kf, its the MarkIssueReturned function |
| 14:20 | ashimema | cheers kf.. I'll stick around and see ifanyone picks it up in here in later.. it's not hugely important.. more of an 'interest' question so I wasn't going to pollute the lists with it. |
| 14:20 | kf | i know at least one of the experts is not back before tomorrow - so maybe try then :) |
| 14:21 | ashimema | :) |
| 14:23 | drojf | ashimema: have you seen http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#CCL ? |
| 14:25 | ashimema | aha.. nice find drojf.. not seen it, will have a read now. |
| 14:26 | drojf | ashimema: a lot of info on all things zebra is directly on the indexdata website since they are the company behind it. it is not done by koha (in case you didn't know) |
| 14:26 | we just use it :) | |
| 14:27 | and the :) in using zebra is debatable ;) | |
| 14:28 | ashimema | indeed we do.. though i've been getting the feeling for a while now we're in a minority in using it and as such has some of the most competent at turning indexdata's docs into understandable English instead of technobable ;) |
| 14:28 | drojf | that may be true :) |
| 14:29 | kf | some ofour catalouging plugins would be really happy about documentation... |
| 14:30 | drojf | documentation is for the weak :D |
| 14:30 | ashimema | I've done some documentation for our internal staff regarding it (hence asking the question so I can add ccl into the mix).. was thinking I may also dump that onto the community wiki.. though the community wiki is a tad disorganised so it may never be found there :P |
| 14:31 | drojf | ashimema: if you link to it from http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Zebra_indexing i'm sure people will find it |
| 14:32 | or even put it there directly | |
| 14:32 | if appropriate | |
| 14:32 | ashimema | it's actually a bit of a re-write of that page to be honest.. that's where i got allot of the info from in the first place.. that and trial and error. |
| 14:32 | :) | |
| 14:33 | kf | for example I am wondering how this works: |
| 14:33 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1794674b3e7ee9da7 | |
| 14:35 | magnuse | ashimema: feel free to improve the wiki in any way you can :-) |
| 14:35 | * magnuse | wanders off to make dinner |
| 14:43 | ashimema | oo. found yet another zebra page on the wiki i wasn't aware of before.. a recent 'quest' to add indexes and document how..: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]d_new_zebra_index |
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| 14:56 | jcamins | ashima: we dodn't use cql.properties. |
| 14:56 | ashimema | i had a feeling that might be the case.. |
| 14:56 | jcamins | ccl.properties maps PQF attributes to friendly strings. |
| 14:57 | I'm trying to get us off CCL, because CCL kills kitens for fun. | |
| 14:57 | *kittens | |
| 14:57 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:57 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #220: "jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:41 PM, October 19, 2012) |
| 14:58 | druthb | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:58 | ashimema | :) jcamins: glad you said that.. it was confusing the life out of me.. |
| 14:58 | * jcamins | leaves again, having imparted "wisdom." |
| 14:59 | ashimema | cheers jcamins |
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| 15:19 | oleonard | Why are all my purchase suggestions being saved with someone else's borrowernumber? |
| 15:21 | Oh it must be the anonymous patron! | |
| 15:21 | *whew* | |
| 15:21 | Next question: If AnonSuggestions is enabled, but the patron is logged in, shouldn't the suggestion be connected to their account? That seems like a bug to me. | |
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| 15:27 | oleonard | Also, when I click on "new purchase suggestion" a terrifying fiery pit opens in the floor next to me and I hear the tortured screams of countless damned souls. Seems like a bug to me. |
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| 15:30 | ashimema | quit |
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| 15:31 | oleonard | And OPACViewOthersSuggestions doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 15:36 | kf | oleonard: it used to I think - give you a new link in navigation |
| 15:41 | oleonard: and yesall those sound like bugs :( | |
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| 15:46 | oleonard | Ha! Bug 4137 |
| 15:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4137 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACViewOthersSuggestions is not working nicely |
| 15:46 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:58 | jcamins | Someone with internet please respond and tell them that marcauthimport is deprecated? |
| 16:00 | I have zero bars on my phone so I'm surprised I could even receive an e-mail. | |
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| 16:06 | gaetan_B | bye koha ! |
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| 16:22 | rambutan | @seen jcamins |
| 16:22 | huginn` | rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 22 minutes and 8 seconds ago: <jcamins> I have zero bars on my phone so I'm surprised I could even receive an e-mail. |
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| 16:25 | rambutan | zero bars |
| 16:27 | druthb | bgkriegel++ |
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| 16:28 | rambutan | https://clandestineragereveale[…]/2012/11/zero.jpg |
| 16:29 | * druthb | chuckles. |
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| 16:36 | bgkriegel | hi druthb :) |
| 16:37 | druthb | Hi, bgkriegel! |
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| 16:38 | druthb | I'm gonna be updating the docs and whatnot on doing the Pootle updates; after that, let's talk about getting you in there, and I can walk you through how I do it. Sound good? |
| 16:38 | * druthb | waves to cait. |
| 16:39 | * cait | waves to druthb and bgkriegel |
| 16:39 | bgkriegel | druthb, I miss the meeting, a bad combination of things to do and timezone confusion :( |
| 16:39 | cait | congrats :) |
| 16:39 | bgkriegel | hi cait |
| 16:42 | cait | bgkriegel: don't worry about the meeting - it achieved the most important thing without you even being there :) |
| 16:42 | oleonard | Don't worry bgkriegel, here in #koha we are happy to vote for people who aren't at the meeting. They have fewer chances to back out that way. |
| 16:42 | bgkriegel | hehe |
| 16:43 | no problem at all | |
| 16:44 | * druthb | thought about voting for oleonard for something, too. |
| 16:49 | oleonard | Why not, I could use the money! Elected positions are well-paid, right? |
| 16:49 | druthb | uhm….no |
| 16:50 | :P | |
| 16:50 | * oleonard | cancels the campaign |
| 16:54 | drojf | oh, lots of emails for jcamins |
| 16:54 | tcohen | poor Paul, looks like his subconscious doesn't want to accept he (somehow) put 3.8.10 code on his setp |
| 16:54 | heh drojf | |
| 16:55 | jcamins++ # for cheerfuly receiving the email burst | |
| 16:57 | drojf | ok, the fun is over, i'm switching back to my usual tl:dr behaviour |
| 17:08 | jcamins | YES! My filters worked! Life is good! |
| 17:10 | drojf | i really hope that thread will just die now or i will get into the filter business too. it's a very good moment to never answer again since he had the last word on every tentacle of that thread now. |
| 17:11 | jcamins | My bets are on the trolling continuing. |
| 17:11 | drojf | we are better than that!. (please!) |
| 17:11 | :D | |
| 17:13 | tcohen | drojf++ |
| 17:13 | can I do it in bash drojf? :-P | |
| 17:13 | drojf | lol sure tcohen |
| 17:14 | hide different versions of koha everywhere to drive people nuts | |
| 17:14 | cait | i would be happy if people concentrated on fixing bugs... instead of anything else |
| 17:14 | and a reminder - bugs can still go into 3.12! | |
| 17:14 | drojf | make scripts choose one codebase by random every time |
| 17:17 | cait, the voice of boredo^wsanity | |
| 17:17 | * cait | glares at drojf |
| 17:18 | drojf | is it the good kinf od glaring, with happiness and cookies in your hands? |
| 17:18 | *kind of | |
| 17:18 | tcohen | hmm don't think so |
| 17:18 | gmcharlt | drojf: I suspect not until you have at least one bugfix in *your* hand ;) |
| 17:18 | * druthb | glares at drojf, too |
| 17:18 | druthb | cait doesn't glare without good reason. Except at me. |
| 17:19 | cait | hehe |
| 17:19 | drojf | i did three signoffs today *hides* |
| 17:19 | cait | thx gmcharlt |
| 17:19 | oh right | |
| 17:19 | * cait | hands drojf a big portion of cookies |
| 17:19 | drojf | yay! |
| 17:20 | tcohen | can I get free cookies today? |
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| 17:21 | cait | hmmm |
| 17:21 | JesseM left #koha | |
| 17:21 | * cait | hands tcohen one |
| 17:21 | druthb | don't worry, tcohen. If she won't give you cookies, I will. I owe ya. |
| 17:26 | drojf | i suppose the security problem in nginx already made it here? |
| 17:27 | jcamins | drojf: nope. |
| 17:27 | drojf | http://mailman.nginx.org/piper[…]/2013/000112.html |
| 17:28 | maximep | there's security problems in stuff like that every day |
| 17:29 | * druthb | blames drojf |
| 17:29 | drojf | huh? |
| 17:29 | druthb | gotta be *someone* to blame. jcamins was yesterday |
| 17:29 | jcamins | Ah, only in versions of nginx I don't use. |
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| 17:30 | maximep | 1.2.6 seems to be the stable version in debian, ubuntu, gentoo, etc |
| 17:32 | jcamins | Heh. 1968 was not a good year for wine. |
| 17:33 | The proper time to drink Bordeaux of that vintage is "never." | |
| 17:37 | drojf | jcamins: so better give it away as a fancy-looking present? |
| 17:38 | jcamins | drojf: apparently. |
| 17:38 | Or use it as expensive vinegar. | |
| 17:39 | drojf | bgkriegel: have you successfully used nullmailer? because i have read this kind of description a few times and that thing never worked for me ;) |
| 17:39 | bgkriegel | drojf: yes, many times |
| 17:39 | maximep | anyone ever used misc/cronjobs/serialsUpdate.pl and could explain it to me ? |
| 17:40 | drojf | bgkriegel: cool. i wonder what i did wrong then |
| 17:40 | maximep | it looks for serials where the planneddate < NOW and then checks if the nextpublisheddate is < today to set them late |
| 17:40 | doesn't make sense to me | |
| 17:41 | * drojf | tries not to make a bad joke about serialsSurpriseUpdate |
| 17:41 | tcohen | did you properly set the /etc/nullmailer/remotes file drojf ? |
| 17:41 | jcamins | maximep: that makes sense to me. |
| 17:41 | drojf | tcohen: i thought i did |
| 17:41 | tcohen | nullmailer provides *only* the sendmail/mail command |
| 17:41 | bgkriegel | mm, you could check mail.info or mail.err |
| 17:41 | drojf | tcohen: it was some time ago. i gave up at some point and eventually got postfix working |
| 17:42 | jcamins | If you expected the upcoming issue to have already arrived, and the following issue has already been published, the next issue is by definition late. |
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| 17:43 | bgkriegel | djrof: in my last install I only need to request an open relay for the koha box |
| 17:43 | drojf | bgkriegel: i don't remember what the problem was. postfix was easier in the end. i had to look deeper into configuration but it eventually did what i configuered. i did not have that impression when i tried nullmailer :) |
| 17:43 | maximep | but if the published date of the current issue > the planned date, shouldnt it be set late ? Why whould the following issue matter ? |
| 17:44 | drojf | and i always wondered who the people are that say "use nullmailer, it's easy". now i found you ;) |
| 17:44 | jcamins | maximep: because you don't know that an issue is late until the next one comes out. |
| 17:44 | bgkriegel | drojf: but in my case (as in that email) it not an option, so... |
| 17:44 | cait | khall++ for asking for clarification |
| 17:44 | jcamins | At least, that's the reasoning behind the script, I think. |
| 17:45 | maximep | jcamins: huh, i'm lost. I tought it was as simple as planneddate < today, then it's late |
| 17:45 | bgkriegel | drojf: only one line in /etc/nullmailer/remotes and an admin address |
| 17:45 | jcamins | maximep: not for that script, apparently. |
| 17:45 | maximep | maybe i'm just not understanding what the script does |
| 17:46 | cait | hm |
| 17:46 | we also have a grace period here | |
| 17:46 | * jcamins | is just going off of what you said earlier about what the script was doing. |
| 17:46 | cait | not sure if it should take that into account? |
| 17:46 | maximep | the manual says "checks if there is a "late" issue on active subscriptions, and if there is, the script will set it as late, and add the next one as expected." |
| 17:46 | hmmm | |
| 17:46 | the grace is in the initial sql which looks fine to me. AND DATE_ADD(planneddate, INTERVAL CAST(graceperiod AS SIGNED) DAY) < NOW() | |
| 17:47 | drojf | bgkriegel: i vaguely remember that it tried to use the hostname of the computer running it as the first part of the email address and i could not make it stop. but i'm not sure if that was the problem in the end. i changed several files and it just did not work for me |
| 17:48 | maximep | going to look for the initial bug with that script. Maybe it explains it's use |
| 17:48 | what ? sometimes I don't even understand what I write in english | |
| 17:51 | bgkriegel | drojf: if the smtp server accept to act as an open relay for you then you could send as any address (i'm using a gmail account), and the line in remotes is '192.168.3.1 smtp' |
| 17:51 | for example | |
| 17:52 | tcohen | i think Colin was clear in the fact that we are showing a borrower we should pass a "borrower" object to the templates, and avoid dealing with presentation code in the cgi scripts |
| 17:52 | but, of course, i can be so confused i understood what i wanted to hear heh | |
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| 17:53 | cait | tcohen: that sounds about right to me :) |
| 18:05 | maximep | aaaaaaaaah found my problem and now I understand the cron. All is fine! I just had an irregularity set to May -_- |
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| 19:17 | * drojf | creates some chaos on bugzilla |
| 20:07 | oleonard | drojf++ # for chaos. |
| 20:08 | cait | :) |
| 20:08 | druthb | cait++ # For cookies! |
| 20:08 | cait | hmpf |
| 20:10 | druthb | hmpf? |
| 20:12 | drojf | nompf? |
| 20:14 | * druthb | looks at drojf curiously. |
| 20:15 | drojf | it's a word in german. at least i'll claim that from now on. |
| 20:16 | druthb | nuh-uh! |
| 20:16 | * druthb | wields her pointy stick, gone unused since libsysguy left. |
| 20:18 | cait | he can has nompf |
| 20:18 | you only want to use the pointy stick | |
| 20:18 | druthb | yis! |
| 20:18 | * druthb | pokes drojf gently with the pointy stick. |
| 20:19 | cait | drojf: i tried.. |
| 20:19 | * drojf | hides behind a wall of zlotschenschrübel |
| 20:19 | drojf | we have a lot of funny words |
| 20:19 | cait | not even I know that one |
| 20:19 | druthb | Neither does LEO. |
| 20:20 | drojf | leo only knows a small part of german. unfortunately there is no german urban dictionary |
| 20:20 | cait | there isn't? |
| 20:20 | druthb | slot-something.. |
| 20:20 | cait | you should do that for your thesis |
| 20:20 | drojf | great idea |
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| 20:39 | drojf | good night #koha |
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| 20:59 | rambutan | are there generalized statements that can be made about "Use of uninitialized value in xxx" that show up in the koha error logs? |
| 20:59 | cait | hm they are warns... not really I think |
| 21:00 | i mean apart from they should ideall ynot be there | |
| 21:01 | rambutan | yea, so what isn't ideal that's putting them in there? We just had our ILS slow to a crawl, almost unresponsive, and I noticed the error log was filled with those lines |
| 21:02 | cait | it's probably not the reason of your problem |
| 21:02 | i am not an expert | |
| 21:02 | rambutan | Use of uninitialized value in <string, $printer, concatenation, hash, hotdogs> |
| 21:02 | cait | but if you have a condition where a variable is not initialized it will happen |
| 21:02 | like say all your items have no collection | |
| 21:03 | and in the perl code the system tries to do soemthing with the collection without checking there is an actual value for the varable | |
| 21:03 | and i might talk nonsense here :) | |
| 21:03 | rambutan | well, this was a momentary thing, it seemed to self-recover after about 4 minutes |
| 21:04 | cait | did you see which script was started so often? |
| 21:04 | maybe a bot crawling your catalog | |
| 21:04 | rambutan | I've seen the google bot slow things down on our old Sirsi server like that, but no sign of that creepy-crawlie here and now. |
| 21:05 | cait | could be an impatient group of humans then? :) |
| 21:06 | rambutan | no, we were all just sitting here waiting. It wouldn't serve the OPAC page, the staff client was unresponsive, and I couldn't even get an ssh response. |
| 21:06 | and I think we have anti-bot measures in place too | |
| 21:07 | ah, I'll just blame zebra | |
| 21:07 | cait | oh don't |
| 21:07 | the poor thing! | |
| 21:07 | and I'd think even innocent | |
| 21:07 | rambutan | I don't like zebra. |
| 21:08 | I know the devs do, but.... | |
| 21:08 | rangi | its never ever been zebra in the past |
| 21:08 | so blaming it is a waste of | |
| 21:08 | time | |
| 21:08 | rambutan | zebra has always been a pest |
| 21:08 | rangi | its always been code that someone in the koha community has written |
| 21:08 | no, no it hasnt | |
| 21:08 | thats the entire point | |
| 21:08 | its the code we write to use it that is a pest | |
| 21:09 | basically we got left a crappile of code from that egg who sold ll | |
| 21:09 | none of which is zebras fault | |
| 21:09 | rambutan | I'll stand down |
| 21:10 | rangi | thats like blaming a shovel cos you dug a whole in the wrong place :) |
| 21:10 | cait | it'a harder to feel for a shovel tho... zebras are cuter |
| 21:11 | rangi | rambutan: check your max connections in apache |
| 21:11 | its pretty easy for it to OOM the system | |
| 21:11 | trea | also, some reports can get pretty resource intensive |
| 21:12 | always good to check your processes and see if guided_reports is running during these periods of slowness | |
| 21:12 | rambutan | as soon as I could ssh in I did check the number of apache connections--looked like we had 13 or so |
| 21:12 | rangi | how much ram? |
| 21:13 | ive seen those apaches use around 256m each | |
| 21:13 | rambutan | 16gb |
| 21:13 | we're pretty well spec'd out | |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | aherm, you can, in fact, kill off a koha server with a stuck f5 key :P |
| 21:13 | rangi | offtopic, anyone got some software they use for todo lists and like? |
| 21:14 | rambutan: another thing to try is iotop | |
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| 21:14 | * wizzyrea | isn't very creative, I just use google's todo thingie |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | probably not your thing. |
| 21:14 | rangi | ahh i want it for work, so not google :) |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 21:14 | bag | yeah iotop will show a bunch |
| 21:15 | rangi | brb |
| 21:16 | cait | rangi: txt file in my owncloud thingy |
| 21:16 | bag | my brain !!! |
| 21:16 | heh | |
| 21:17 | jcamins | text file in git. |
| 21:17 | Also hivemindet, sometomes. | |
| 21:17 | Bot foss, though. | |
| 21:17 | not | |
| 21:18 | On phone. Obviously. | |
| 21:18 | * magnuse | uses Remember the milk, but isn't completely happy with it |
| 21:20 | * Dyrcona | uses ical calendars and sunbird. |
| 21:20 | Dyrcona | cait: How is owncloud working for you? I'm thinking of giving it a try on my home server. |
| 21:21 | cait | i like it |
| 21:21 | but I think they haven't fixed encryption yet... so not using it for anything really important right now | |
| 21:24 | the encryption plugin shows this note: Server side encryption of files. DEPRECATED. This app is no longer supported and will be replaced with an improved version in ownCloud 5. Only enable this features if you want to read old encrypted data. Warning: You will lose your data if you enable this App and forget your password. Encryption is not yet compatible with LDAP. | |
| 21:25 | i have it working with my thunderbird calendar | |
| 21:25 | and I have integrated access to my roundcube for qam mails | |
| 21:25 | mostly using it for koha related things and it works fine for that :) | |
| 21:26 | Dyrcona | cait: Thanks. I'm pondering throwing owncloud 5 on a server at home, 'cause Google Drive isn't doing it for me. :) |
| 21:26 | cait | hm 5 is there already? it iddn't show me that there was an update ts |
| 21:27 | guess I should update :) | |
| 21:28 | magnuse | huh |
| 21:28 | cait | Dyrcona: I also was able to use the owncloud client for ubuntu, but it turns out I like it better to just use the web interface |
| 21:28 | Dyrcona | It's in FreeBSD ports. The server I'm thinking of runs FreeBSD. |
| 21:28 | magnuse | i have owncloud on a server |
| 21:28 | Dyrcona | cait: I'd like to make a plugin (if necessary) for libreoffice. |
| 21:28 | cait | hm i think we talked about it once magnuse? |
| 21:28 | magnuse | when i went to visit it now it upgraded to 5.0.5 or something, and then it asked me to log in?? |
| 21:28 | cait | Dyrcona: not sure what you want to do, but there might be something already |
| 21:29 | Dyrcona: one of the small things i like is editing text files in the app | |
| 21:29 | which is why it turned out to be a good place for an easy to edit to do list | |
| 21:29 | Dyrcona | cait: Right. There is likely already something to do what I want. |
| 21:29 | If not, I'll write it. :) | |
| 21:30 | cait | :) |
| 21:30 | Dyrcona | well, time for me to go. |
| 21:43 | rangi | ohh i got mail from ups my phone is on it's way |
| 21:44 | cait | cool :) |
| 21:44 | i think drojf was expecting his some time soon too | |
| 21:58 | tcohen | have u used trackchecker rangi? |
| 21:58 | https://play.google.com/store/[…]ndag.trackchecker | |
| 21:58 | rangi | hmm nope |
| 21:58 | oh cool | |
| 21:58 | tcohen | i found it useful for my China packages |
| 21:58 | ;) | |
| 21:59 | * druthb | sees what time it is in Germany, and gives cait the ebil eye |
| 21:59 | * cait | pretends to snore |
| 21:59 | druthb | Hmpf. |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | cait is perfect, she would never snore. |
| 21:59 | druthb | B'zacly! |
| 22:00 | cait | hmpf. |
| 22:05 | tcohen | does anyone use authority search? |
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| 22:12 | bag | they shouldn't :P |
| 22:12 | I think we have a few that do | |
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| 22:13 | * druthb | pokes bag with her pointy stick, by way of greeting. |
| 22:14 | bag | hey druthb |
| 22:14 | how you doing? | |
| 22:14 | druthb | awesome sauce! |
| 22:14 | bag | great! |
| 22:18 | mtj | rangi, i swear by a TODO/note app called -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notational_Velocity |
| 22:18 | the bad news is its osx only :/ | |
| 22:19 | but, there looks to be a linux rewrite here -> http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/[…]form-alternative/ | |
| 22:19 | ...i just discovered this, so havent tried it out yet | |
| 22:19 | eythian | hi |
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| 22:20 | mtj | https://github.com/cpbotha/nvpy |
| 22:20 | screenshot looks good ^^ | |
| 22:20 | heya eythian | |
| 22:20 | wahanui | well, eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem. |
| 22:22 | rangi | ill give it a try |
| 22:22 | mtj | rambutan, you should run munin on your koha box, to help diagnose your performance problem |
| 22:32 | rambutan | oh? what would munin do for me? I'll check it out. |
| 22:32 | mtj | munin will give you info on what your apache, mysql , cpu, ram, disk and swap is up to |
| 22:32 | ...when your box hangs | |
| 22:33 | rambutan | I'll look at it tonight at home and pass it to my tech as a "todo" |
| 22:33 | tnx for tip | |
| 22:34 | mtj | the big Q is usually… is my apache gettings DDOSed?, or is someone running a goofy report? |
| 22:35 | wizzyrea | or does someone have a stuck f5 key |
| 22:35 | mtj | munin gives good historical info on apache and mysql |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | or did someone just post 50 links to the catalogue on a wordpress site set to pingback |
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| 22:36 | wizzyrea | or did 30 kids in a school class all click search at the same time |
| 22:36 | mtj | yep, historically its some kids downstairs searching for 'PPEEEENISSSSSSSS FARRTTTT'..… |
| 22:37 | that my expereince.. :) | |
| 22:39 | bgkriegel | jcamins? |
| 22:39 | wahanui | i think jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. |
| 22:39 | jcamins | Yes? |
| 22:40 | bgkriegel | on ccsr there are pretty breadcrumbs but only on search results |
| 22:40 | andowhere else | |
| 22:40 | jcamins | That would involve string changes, so it'll have to wait until 3.14. :( |
| 22:40 | bgkriegel | i'm touching authority search results |
| 22:40 | yes ok | |
| 22:41 | look http://snag.gy/tTBAu.jpg | |
| 22:41 | could it be defined as class, to reuse in other pages? | |
| 22:42 | jcamins | Ooh, nice! |
| 22:42 | Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. | |
| 22:42 | bgkriegel | in the image top is search result, bottom is me touching mastehead.inc, middle is with breadcrums style as class |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea | also snaggy is amazing. |
| 22:42 | so thanks for that | |
| 22:43 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 22:43 | well, i'll work to put it in a bug | |
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| 22:46 | wizzyrea | mailing lists |
| 22:46 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
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| 22:56 | jcamins | eythian: ya think? |
| 22:57 | :) | |
| 22:57 | eythian | jcamins: yeah, it pays to keep it in mind. Though I'd expect that this would be the sort of thing the QA team would catch anyway. |
| 22:57 | jcamins | I was referring to "it can sometimes be tempting..." |
| 22:57 | eythian | oh right :) |
| 22:58 | well, actually, so was my reply just then too. | |
| 22:58 | jcamins | I agree 100% with your broader point too, of course. |
| 23:04 | eythian | cool. |
| 23:04 | jcamins: btw, I don't know if you saw already, but I found something for you. | |
| 23:04 | wahanui: cooking help | |
| 23:04 | wahanui | cooking help is http://awfullibrarybooks.net/kitchen-tech/ |
| 23:05 | jcamins | omg! That's fantastic! :D |
| 23:05 | :D | |
| 23:06 | eythian: for goodness' sake, stop cleaning up your quotes! My filter consistently fails to catch your messages! | |
| 23:08 | * jcamins | had the good sense not to read the message and find out what it was responding to, at least. |
| 23:09 | eythian | jcamins: can't you just hit "ignore thread"? |
| 23:09 | you missed nothing too exciting really. | |
| 23:10 | jcamins | eythian: believe it or not, that didn't occur to me. |
| 23:10 | eythian | heh |
| 23:10 | jcamins | I was more concerned about future occurrences. |
| 23:11 | I thought that thread would finally die. | |
| 23:11 | ... 30 messages ago. | |
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| 23:13 | eythian | If I can get him to do the only possible reliable test, that he hasn't apparently done yet, then it'll show either that he's right, or that he's unequivocally wrong. I'm fairly sure I know what he's doing, of course. |
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| 23:24 | mtj | afaik, my recently added filters are working a treat |
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| 23:30 | * dcook | claps |
| 23:30 | dcook | New computer has arrived ^_^ |
| 23:34 | drnoe joined #koha | |
| 23:36 | jcamins | dcook: yay! So I guess your better half is in mourning? |
| 23:36 | dcook | lol |
| 23:36 | Not quite yet | |
| 23:36 | Mostly just at the eye rolling stage at the moment | |
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| 23:48 | jcamins | Acrobat's instructions tell me to use a "circular object" for creating a radio button. |
| 23:48 | I have no idea what they're talking about. | |
| 23:48 | eythian | use the bottom of a mug or something. |
| 23:49 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:49 | cjh | heh |
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