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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:02 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 00:09 | mtompset | Quick confirmation... the koha-perldeps and koha-deps both would work for a tarball install too, correct? |
| 00:10 | eythian | yes |
| 00:10 | that's pretty much what they're for | |
| 00:10 | or for running from git or something | |
| 00:10 | mtompset | SWEET! |
| 00:10 | trea | wizzy |
| 00:10 | * mtompset | runs back to editing the Koha on Ubuntu wiki pages. :) |
| 00:11 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 00:11 | trea | mistype |
| 00:11 | eythian | mtompset: why would you ever tell someone to set up the repositories but to not use the packages? |
| 00:12 | * mtompset | grins evilly, "One word: Paul." |
| 00:12 | eythian | Presumably if they're using the tarball, there's some oddball reason for it which means they can't use the packages, therefore can't use koha-(perl)deps too |
| 00:13 | also, too many options and paths in docs confuses people a lot | |
| 00:13 | ah right | |
| 00:14 | mtompset | That is true... http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ackages_from_List -- ugly code. |
| 00:14 | the repository is already set up... makes more sense to do the koha-deps koha-perldeps thing. | |
| 00:15 | eythian | then you should install the packages. |
| 00:15 | mtompset | Testing it in 64 bit arch now... |
| 00:15 | you want a git install for development. | |
| 00:16 | cjh | wow those instructions are long, should just be install the packages and gitify (unbiased opinion ofcourse...) |
| 00:16 | eythian | yeah |
| 00:16 | mtompset | Not familiar with gitify. |
| 00:16 | cjh | at least for debian derived systems |
| 00:16 | wizzyrea | you should try it. |
| 00:17 | mtompset | There was a link earlier. |
| 00:17 | wizzyrea | gitify? |
| 00:17 | wahanui | well, gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 00:17 | cjh | mtompset: a script I wrote that converts an instance from a package install to point at a git repository |
| 00:17 | mtompset | Is it some addictive coding drug? ;) |
| 00:17 | wizzyrea | yes. |
| 00:17 | the first one is free. | |
| 00:17 | cjh | mtompset: my lawyer recommends that I do not answer that question. |
| 00:17 | wizzyrea | the rest you pay for in patches |
| 00:17 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 00:18 | mtompset | So, you do a packages install, and gitify it, and then *BAM* it's as if you did a git install? |
| 00:18 | wizzyrea | pretty much |
| 00:18 | cjh | with the package install you can create as many instances as you want, and then gitify can convert any instance to be a git install |
| 00:19 | wizzyrea | you might need to get any dependencies left over that haven't been added to the packages, but yes, essentially |
| 00:19 | cjh | so I have an instance for every major version of koha, all pointing at different git repos, as well as an instance for the current package. |
| 00:19 | mtompset | All in /usr/share? |
| 00:19 | cjh | the git repos can live anywhere |
| 00:19 | I store mine in /home/chrish/devel/koha-something | |
| 00:20 | and gitify will modify the apache configs to point there (you tell it where you want it to point) | |
| 00:20 | afk for a bit, lunch time :) | |
| 00:20 | mtompset | lunch? Where be you? NZ? |
| 00:37 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 00:37 | mtompset | Shoot... 8:37... it's morning in the Philippines... |
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| 01:14 | mtompset | Welcome back, tcohen. |
| 01:21 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:24 | jcamins | Cool, the merging works. |
| 01:25 | Now to refactor things a bit. | |
| 01:34 | dcook | Hmm, what kind of information would people want when searching for authorities (using z39.50)? |
| 01:35 | I'm thinking...heading and what type of authority th at would be in Koha | |
| 01:35 | Anything else? | |
| 01:35 | wahanui | Anything else is a guess |
| 01:35 | dcook | Correctamundo, wahanui |
| 01:35 | wahanui | dcook: what? |
| 01:38 | jcamins | A general keyword. |
| 01:38 | And, authority type is going to be a problem. | |
| 01:40 | dcook | Why's that? |
| 01:40 | Sorry, I mean for the display after retrieval | |
| 01:40 | jcamins | Because it's unlikely to be mapped consistently. |
| 01:40 | Oh. | |
| 01:41 | That's about it. | |
| 01:41 | dcook | Yeah, the actual Bib 1 attributes are...considerably more difficult |
| 01:41 | jcamins | Plus a link to preview the entire record. |
| 01:41 | dcook | Got it :) |
| 01:41 | For the search, I have a raw/any input, but pondering what other attributes/"indexes" to add | |
| 01:42 | The mappings in organizations do seem quite inconsistent :( | |
| 01:42 | Maybe that should be configurable. Our main authorities target will be LibrariesAustralia, which publishes the attributes it supports | |
| 01:43 | But those attributes might not work for other z39.50 targets | |
| 01:43 | jcamins | Configurable might be a good idea. |
| 01:43 | Hey... | |
| 01:43 | as it happens, there's already a module in Koha that will take care of runtime-configured Bib-1 attributes. | |
| 01:44 | Isn't that nice! | |
| 01:44 | cjh | back :) (long lunch) |
| 01:44 | jcamins | You could use that module! |
| 01:44 | Koha::QueryParser::Driver::PQF ftw! | |
| 01:47 | dcook | Ohh...tell me more :) |
| 01:47 | wb cjh :) | |
| 01:47 | cjh | thanks :) |
| 01:51 | dcook | Oooh |
| 01:55 | So you load the QueryParser with your mappings...it serializes your query...and then you hand that off to ZOOM or whatever you're using to send the query.. | |
| 01:55 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 01:55 | dcook | Very cool |
| 01:57 | jcamins | You can use C4::Search::_ZOOM_event_loop to handle the ZOOM, too. |
| 02:00 | dcook | Hmm, I might have to look at that in future |
| 02:00 | * jcamins | highly recommends it. |
| 02:00 | dcook | At the moment, I'm essentially taking the bibliographic z39.50 search and changing it to work for authorities in a reasonably functional way |
| 02:01 | jcamins | You're going to run into problems if you want to make the Bib-1 attributes configurable. :P |
| 02:04 | dcook | Since the QueryParser seems to require that I re-write most of this code that references ZOOM anyway? |
| 02:05 | eythian | I got a data dump from a vendor of a library system that we're migrating someone from, and the data format is actually documented with a 'readme.txt' file. I don't think that's ever happened before. |
| 02:05 | jcamins | dcook: you won't do anything directly with ZOOM at all. |
| 02:05 | All you do is process the results. | |
| 02:06 | And QueryParser just generates a PQF query. | |
| 02:07 | Which you could pass directly to ZOOM, if you were a masochist. | |
| 02:07 | (because using ZOOM at all is masochistic) | |
| 02:12 | If you take a look at C4::Search::parseQuery you'll see how it works. | |
| 02:17 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:17 | k | |
| 02:18 | jcamins | My god, the duplicated code... |
| 02:24 | rangi: pastebot is down. Could you restart it? | |
| 02:25 | rangi | yup |
| 02:25 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 02:26 | Myshkin says hi. | |
| 02:34 | eythian | new master packages uploading (given there were a number of package-related patches pushed recently, I figured it'd be a good thing.) |
| 02:34 | s/ing/ed/ | |
| 02:34 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 02:34 | eythian++ | |
| 02:35 | eythian | jcamins: my deadline has passed, so what was it you were discussing before? |
| 02:36 | jcamins | eythian: I was wondering about setting up a separate distribution on debian.k-c.org for betas and the like. |
| 02:37 | eythian | hmm, we could. |
| 02:38 | My main fear would be people getting stuck on a beta-only series :) | |
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| 02:38 | eythian | but I suppose if you're testing betas, you should know what you're doing. |
| 02:39 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 02:42 | dcook | jcamins: Ok, I think I've figured out mostly how this works...except where are your mappings coming from? :S |
| 02:43 | Wait...unless... | |
| 02:43 | They're already translated into bib-1.. | |
| 02:43 | jcamins | It loads them for the Koha z39.50 servers. |
| 02:44 | They're in a YAML file. | |
| 02:44 | dcook | Right, but when is that loaded? |
| 02:44 | when/where* | |
| 02:44 | jcamins | C4::Context. |
| 02:44 | wahanui | c4::context is not very efficient, but the bigger issue is the overall load time. |
| 02:45 | dcook | Mmm |
| 02:45 | I figured I had to be missing something | |
| 02:45 | jcamins | Line 982. |
| 02:46 | dcook | and 1174 in Search.pm |
| 02:46 | jcamins | Right. |
| 02:46 | dcook | I thought that looked a bit odd...lol |
| 02:47 | jcamins | Unfortunately, a YAML file won't work in this instance. |
| 02:47 | Because foreign Z39.50 servers are inconsistent. | |
| 02:47 | Fortunately, we planned for that. :) | |
| 02:48 | Look at line 657 of Koha/QueryParser/Driver/PQF.pm | |
| 02:48 | dcook | Hence those other subs? |
| 02:48 | lessee.. | |
| 02:49 | Mmm, right | |
| 02:49 | jcamins | So you can add mappings for each server if necessary (and it will be :( ) |
| 02:49 | Just replace "biblioserver" with something else. | |
| 02:50 | eythian | jcamins: are there tags or something for your betas? |
| 02:50 | jcamins | eythian: yea, v3.12.00-beta3 :) |
| 02:50 | dcook | biblioserver being replaced with the actual URL? |
| 02:50 | jcamins | No, just a label. |
| 02:51 | eythian | oh. git branch doesn't show tags. silly me. |
| 02:51 | jcamins | Something like 'libraryaustraliaserver' |
| 02:53 | dcook | Hmm, not sure I follow |
| 02:53 | jcamins | biblioserver is just a label. |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | is there a script that auto debars patrons? |
| 02:54 | * wizzyrea | can't remember |
| 02:54 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yes. |
| 02:54 | Ummm... longoverdue, maybe? | |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | that's what I was thinking. |
| 02:55 | jcamins | dcook: each Z39.50 server has a label of some sort. |
| 02:55 | dcook | Right, the name in the db |
| 02:55 | jcamins | Or even a URL, since that's unique. |
| 02:55 | dcook | Mhm |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea | jcamins: thanks |
| 02:55 | jcamins | It's not used for connecting, just for identifying to the driver what mappings to use. |
| 02:56 | dcook | Right, but it'll need to match the server in the database in some way |
| 02:56 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | rangi++ for good ideas |
| 02:58 | dcook | "# TODO: allow indexes to be configured in the database" |
| 02:58 | hehe | |
| 02:58 | jcamins | Yeah- that part wasn't funded. |
| 02:59 | dcook | I can see that being a fair bit of work |
| 02:59 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 02:59 | Not hard, but time-consuming. | |
| 03:01 | mtompset | YAY! Fixed ubuntu git instructions with nicer "sudo apt-get install koha-deps koha-perldeps make" |
| 03:02 | Tested on 64-bit Ubuntu 13.04 | |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | link? |
| 03:02 | dcook | Hmm, not sure if I completely understand the yaml file either.. |
| 03:03 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "queryparser yaml segment" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/1 |
| 03:03 | dcook | "7: 2"? |
| 03:04 | jcamins | dcook: right, that's the Bib-1 mapping. |
| 03:04 | dcook | Aren't there only 6 attribute sets? |
| 03:04 | jcamins | Nine, with Zebra. |
| 03:04 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:05 | Fair enough | |
| 03:05 | jcamins | zebra extended rpn attributes? |
| 03:05 | extended zebra rpn attributes is http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]ymodel-zebra.html | |
| 03:06 | dcook | Whoa...more than nine |
| 03:06 | Good to know :) | |
| 03:08 | Hmm, so when does Koha know it's doing a biblioserver search vs. an authorityserver search? | |
| 03:08 | jcamins | What do you mean? |
| 03:08 | dcook | Ahh |
| 03:08 | nvm | |
| 03:08 | target_syntax | |
| 03:08 | jcamins | Ah, yeah. |
| 03:11 | dcook | And the parse method is from QueryParser.pm.. |
| 03:11 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:11 | It parses a CCL-ish query. | |
| 03:12 | dcook | Which we've mapped in the config |
| 03:12 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:13 | Well... | |
| 03:13 | dcook | Is the $class for the add_bib1 methods arbitrary? |
| 03:13 | jcamins | sort of. |
| 03:13 | The parse method doesn't have anything to do with the bib-1 mappings. | |
| 03:14 | dcook | It just pulls apart the query string? |
| 03:14 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:14 | dcook | So where does $class fit in exactly? |
| 03:14 | jcamins | And, the class is related to the type of query. |
| 03:15 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:16 | Ok, I think I follow now | |
| 03:16 | Almost ;) | |
| 03:16 | jcamins | It doesn't matter all that much the way the driver works at the moment, but basically the idea is that keyword = keyword, author = all types of author headings, subject = subject headings, title = any type of title including phrases |
| 03:16 | dcook | Mhm |
| 03:17 | jcamins | I actually define phrases in the keyword class as well to work around Zebra's behavior. |
| 03:18 | Or, at least, the weirdness of the way we use Zebra. | |
| 03:21 | dcook | "4: 1" for the exact searching? |
| 03:22 | jcamins | For phrase searching. |
| 03:22 | Which is... | |
| 03:22 | like exact searching. | |
| 03:22 | Sort of. | |
| 03:22 | dcook | Yeah, in this context |
| 03:23 | What are the label and index fields for? | |
| 03:23 | jcamins | Displaying in the interface and searching solr, respectively. |
| 03:24 | dcook | Mmm |
| 03:24 | jcamins | Not that either of those were commissioned yet, but I planned ahead. |
| 03:26 | dcook | Always a smart move, eh? |
| 03:27 | Hmm, so the classes really are more for organization than anything at the moment.. | |
| 03:27 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:27 | Evergreen uses them for search optimization. | |
| 03:28 | dcook | I suppose I could see that hypothetically |
| 03:28 | The real key is the aliases, right? | |
| 03:28 | and the mappiing | |
| 03:28 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:29 | dcook | Nice job, jcamins :) |
| 03:29 | jcamins | Thanks. :) |
| 03:29 | dcook | This really is much much better |
| 03:30 | Although if I'm to use it for the external z39.50 searching, I'll need to be pretty ambitious.. | |
| 03:31 | jcamins | It's not going to be nearly as hard as you think. |
| 03:31 | It's going to be a lot easier than any other configurable option. | |
| 03:31 | :) | |
| 03:31 | dcook | I'm prehaps irrationally skiddish at toughing the DB :p |
| 03:31 | perhaps* | |
| 03:31 | touching* | |
| 03:31 | My brain is a bit sluggish today.. | |
| 03:31 | Mmm, that's very true | |
| 03:31 | I'm half tempted to use it with a generic yaml file | |
| 03:31 | In the short-term | |
| 03:32 | jcamins | What you could do _easily_ is add a "remoteauthority" server to the YAML file, and use that initially. |
| 03:33 | dcook | Mmm, that's true |
| 03:33 | Would reduce a lot of replicate code | |
| 03:33 | duplicate* | |
| 03:33 | * dcook | thinks perhaps he needs to eat lunch soon.. |
| 03:34 | jcamins | Now, that'd work for about two authority Z39.50 servers, but it makes it easy to improve things later when a customer wants to pay for it. :) |
| 03:36 | dcook | Agreed :) |
| 03:37 | * dcook | ponders |
| 03:46 | * jcamins | calls it a night and head to bed. |
| 03:46 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
| 03:46 | dcook | night, jcamins |
| 03:46 | Thanks for the info on the QueryParser :) | |
| 03:46 | jcamins++ | |
| 03:52 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period)! |
| 04:15 | dcook | Hmm can't get the queryparser to work... |
| 04:15 | There is a way to upgrade dev installs too.. | |
| 04:16 | Don't know if that would make a difference though | |
| 04:24 | @later tell jcamins I couldn't get the QueryParser to work in my dev install. Looks like it couldn't create a new queryparser object at line 958 in Context.pm... | |
| 04:24 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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| 04:45 | cait | good morning |
| 04:49 | dcook | morning cait :) |
| 04:50 | cait | ;) |
| 04:50 | :) | |
| 05:01 | * dcook | would love to know why personal name and corporate name authority records would are coming up in a subject index... |
| 05:04 | gmcharlt | dcook: names can be subjects too |
| 05:05 | dcook | When you put it like that, it just seems so obvious, Galen :p |
| 05:05 | Thanks :) | |
| 05:07 | gmcharlt | you're welcome |
| 05:07 | dcook | Just trying to figure out what the best input options are for a z39.50 authority search |
| 05:08 | gmcharlt | in a MARC21 context, the 008/15 indicates if the 1XX in the authority rec is suitable as a subject added entry |
| 05:09 | cait | marc21 is quite exact about things like that I would think... |
| 05:09 | I am still painfully aware of all those possible settingsin the 006 and 008 plugins I translated last night | |
| 05:10 | can't help but wonder if all of them were used at least once | |
| 05:10 | gmcharlt | and yet, sometimes they aren't enough |
| 05:10 | cait | and if there is any system that makes use of al that for search |
| 05:11 | gmcharlt: you are probably right :) | |
| 05:11 | they still add new fields! | |
| 05:11 | :) | |
| 05:11 | * cait | goes to find breakfast |
| 05:12 | gmcharlt | eg, there was a time when you could code a glass map, but not a glass globe </trivia> |
| 05:12 | cait | seriously? how could they have missed that in the first place? |
| 05:12 | ;) | |
| 05:12 | dcook | Hmm and you can get personal names in the title index because of...subfield t |
| 05:12 | cait: hehe | |
| 05:13 | I suppose a glass globe isn't as "bibliographic" as a map... | |
| 05:13 | * dcook | has flashbacks to resource description classes and discussions of "documents" and antelope... |
| 05:14 | gmcharlt | I am not a document, or a metadata packet, or an RDF triple... I am a free man! |
| 05:15 | dcook: something like that? ;) | |
| 05:15 | dcook | lol |
| 05:16 | In the spirit of that, me thinks ;) | |
| 05:18 | Oh no...I've looked at the Bib-1 semantic document again and now I'm wondering what attributes to use again.. | |
| 05:21 | * cait | sends cookies |
| 05:21 | cait | 3d8 |
| 05:21 | @dice 3d8 | |
| 05:21 | huginn` | cait: 6, 8, and 5 |
| 05:23 | dcook | :o libraries australia supports a uniform title attribute that they don't list on their site :o |
| 05:31 | I guess it boils down to names, titles, and subjects | |
| 05:31 | and subdivisions | |
| 05:38 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 05:38 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.0°C (7:35 AM CEST on May 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:39 | cait | hm that's not good |
| 05:40 | gmcharlt: all encoding related patches have been reverted from master, right? so I should not see any regressions to behaviour in the past? | |
| 05:43 | oh it's only a proble on master | |
| 05:43 | the maintenance page has broken umlauts for me on master, but it's ok on 3.12.x | |
| 05:44 | dcook | Yeah, the diacritics in the system preference pages are broken in master as well |
| 05:45 | cait | i filed a bug |
| 05:45 | at least it's documented then | |
| 05:49 | * dcook | thumbs up |
| 05:54 | dcook | As a side note, how awesome are acoustic covers of songs? |
| 05:55 | * cait | wonders if she should sqash the patches on bug 7593 |
| 05:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7593 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Signed Off , merging bib records loses connection to order line |
| 05:56 | cait | the follow up puts back a line the first patch accidentally deleted |
| 06:04 | dcook | Sorry, cait. Not sure :/ |
| 06:04 | On the plus side, got the search interface working for all types of names ^_^ | |
| 06:05 | cait | more thinking out loud |
| 06:05 | currently struggling with my branches | |
| 06:07 | found another | |
| 06:07 | bug 10180 | |
| 06:07 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10180 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , [master] Diacritics in Z39.50 search results in acquisitions are broken |
| 06:08 | dcook | Yeah, the utf8 isn't working in my z39.50 search results atm |
| 06:10 | cait | and xslt displays too |
| 06:10 | there is something seriously wrong | |
| 06:10 | iwill stop filing bugs now I think | |
| 06:17 | dcook | Yeah, I imagine there must be some sort of centralized issue somewhere |
| 06:17 | alex_a_ | bonjour |
| 06:18 | cait | good morning alex_a_ |
| 06:18 | dcook | salut alex_a_ :) |
| 06:18 | alex_a_ | hello dcook cait ! |
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| 06:35 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:35 | dcook | hey ya reiveune |
| 06:39 | cait | bbl :) |
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| 06:58 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:01 | asaurat | hi! |
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| 07:08 | dcook | hey asaurat |
| 07:08 | Time for me to head off :) | |
| 07:08 | G'day all | |
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| 07:14 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:14 | wahanui | privet, gaetan_B |
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| 07:28 | huginn` | GERMS!!!! |
| 07:28 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 07:28 | kf | good morning wahanui |
| 07:28 | * kf | hands wahanui some germs |
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| 08:08 | * magnus | waves |
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| 08:08 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 08:09 | magnus | bonjour christophe_c |
| 08:09 | @wunder marseille | |
| 08:09 | huginn` | magnus: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 16.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on May 03, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:09 | magnus | nice |
| 08:09 | @wunder boo | |
| 08:09 | huginn` | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on May 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:09 | christophe_c | bonjour magnus ;-) |
| 08:09 | magnus | :-) |
| 08:09 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:09 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on May 03, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
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| 08:14 | rangi | well thats a definite 123 |
| 08:14 | magnus | what, the stopwords? |
| 08:14 | rangi | lets implement stop words, borrowers hate them and have never understood them, and they break search and make utterly no sense unless you are ordering alphabetically, but even then very little sense |
| 08:15 | magnus | lol |
| 08:17 | kf | rangi: I woudl disagree that stopwords have any use for ordering :P |
| 08:17 | but else, yes. | |
| 08:17 | rangi | you are a librarian |
| 08:17 | :) | |
| 08:17 | kf | thinking about something different I think :) |
| 08:17 | rangi | most people dont expect or understand when you remove stop words |
| 08:17 | kf | and yes |
| 08:17 | rangi | when you order things |
| 08:17 | kf | ah |
| 08:17 | rangi | they expect |
| 08:17 | the great gatsby | |
| 08:17 | to be under t | |
| 08:17 | not g | |
| 08:18 | kf | hm, might not be me a librarian really, but something we did in school way back |
| 08:18 | rangi | im 99% sure libraries are the only place that do that |
| 08:18 | kf | dictionaries |
| 08:18 | rangi | dictionaries only have words |
| 08:18 | kf | but who uses printed dictionaries nowadays... |
| 08:18 | rangi | not phrases |
| 08:19 | magnus | encyclopedias? |
| 08:19 | rangi | maybe they do |
| 08:19 | kf | hm the things in the back of books |
| 08:19 | with chapters and stuff... *bad librarian* | |
| 08:19 | rangi | index? |
| 08:19 | wahanui | i guess index is good |
| 08:19 | * kf | goes back to writing email |
| 08:20 | rangi | im trying to figure out what that js does |
| 08:20 | i think it totally breaks searching | |
| 08:21 | by secretly removing words when you submit | |
| 08:21 | magnus | yay |
| 08:21 | rangi | makes it impossible to search on any of the words you define |
| 08:21 | just like the bad old days | |
| 08:21 | and doesnt effect ordering at all | |
| 08:21 | magnus | maybe we should use more stopwords? |
| 08:22 | rangi | we should use more marc |
| 08:22 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 08:25 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1162 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1160 1 day 3 hr ago) |
| 08:26 | magnus | hehe |
| 08:30 | kf | rangi: are you going to answer? |
| 08:30 | *hides* | |
| 08:36 | rangi | nope, if people want to be crazy let them |
| 08:36 | at least its not going into koha proper | |
| 08:44 | i still love splinter | |
| 08:45 | kf | splinter++ :) |
| 08:59 | * kf | feels like reminding everyone that bug fixes still can go into 3.12 when they are not touching strings :) (and i am going to repeat that a few times today) |
| 09:00 | magnuse | kf++ |
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| 09:36 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 09:36 | Project Koha_master build #1162: FIXED in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1162/ | |
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| 10:03 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 10:07 | kf | hi drojf |
| 10:07 | drojf | hi kf |
| 10:08 | oh, translation finished :) | |
| 10:08 | kf++ | |
| 10:08 | kf | yep |
| 10:09 | hope without too many typos | |
| 10:10 | drojf | i'm sure it's fine |
| 10:13 | magnuse: i think this might be interesting for digital signs http://www.philipp-wagner.com/[…]pi-now-available/ | |
| 10:18 | magnuse | drojf: ooh, cool thought! |
| 10:21 | drojf | it does not work with input devices yet, but once it is able to handle a touchscreen you're ready to go |
| 10:21 | wizzyrea | oh cooool |
| 10:22 | I just got a pi, but it's doing real stuff now | |
| 10:22 | drojf | you could even put a small wifi dongle into the pi ans spare the ethernet cable |
| 10:22 | s/ans/and | |
| 10:22 | wizzyrea | mine has wifi :) |
| 10:22 | well to be fair it's trea's | |
| 10:22 | drojf | yay :) what does it do? |
| 10:22 | wizzyrea | it's an IRC bouncer |
| 10:22 | drojf | cool |
| 10:22 | wizzyrea | lame, I know |
| 10:22 | drojf | no |
| 10:23 | i think i should get a third pi :D | |
| 10:23 | wizzyrea | i kinda thought "small, fanless, USB powered linux server under $100? I know, IRC bouncer! |
| 10:23 | drojf | :) |
| 10:25 | wizzyrea | they are certainly fun, that's for sure |
| 10:27 | drojf | the camera module is supposed to be available soon \o/ |
| 10:29 | and i'd like to try 3.12 on the newer version and update the wiki at some point. maybe i should get a whole box of them. but i'd also need another box full of time to play with them. | |
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| 10:42 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 10:43 | magnuse | ooh, box full of time... |
| 10:44 | * magnuse | needs some extras before he can play with his pi - an sd card at least |
| 10:45 | * kf | feels left out now for not having one :P |
| 10:46 | magnuse | kf: you shoul dget one then, it feels cool just to have it ;-) |
| 10:46 | drojf | lol |
| 10:47 | kf | i'd rather not have naother cool thing I don't have time to play with |
| 10:47 | :) | |
| 10:47 | magnuse | get it as a present to yourself when 3.12 is out :-) |
| 10:48 | drojf | and then take some time off and install 3.12 on the pi :D |
| 10:49 | kf | i already planned to get me a new study course in my distance study then ;) |
| 10:49 | * magnuse | thinks kf is too sensible ;-) |
| 10:49 | magnuse | they should have a pi course, then |
| 10:49 | trea | :D |
| 10:50 | * magnuse | yells "KIA ORA" at the top of his lungs to trea |
| 10:50 | trea | hi magnuse! |
| 10:50 | magnuse | hiya! |
| 10:50 | trea | the pi is pretty neat little piece of hardware |
| 10:50 | i'm glad i picked one up | |
| 10:51 | * magnuse | thinks the trea family is pretty neat for hanging out on irc on a late friday night |
| 10:51 | trea | we are a wild bunch :P |
| 10:51 | kf | :) |
| 10:51 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:54 | * magnuse | would be happy if he managed to hook the pi up to a ginourmous external harddisk and could use it a media centre thingy |
| 10:55 | trea | indeed |
| 10:56 | magnuse | t'would be a nice incentive for finally ripping all those old cds to flac |
| 10:56 | trea | thankfully we did that before the move |
| 10:58 | magnuse | trea: ooh, that's probably a good idea :-) |
| 10:58 | trea | it's an odd feeling, carrying the sum of your personal media on a pair of 3tb disks on your person. |
| 10:59 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:59 | drojf | magnuse: i have a 2tb harddisk attached to one of mine, running a bittorrent client that i can fill from my notebook and open the files via nfs (don't have a tv, nothing to hook the pi up to). but there is also an xmbc distribution for the pi that sounds more like what you are looking for |
| 10:59 | wizzyrea | ^ that really happened |
| 10:59 | and you know, 18 hours isn't that long for a move. | |
| 10:59 | trea | my younger brother is an xbmc fanatic |
| 10:59 | drojf | http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Raspbmc |
| 11:00 | magnuse | yeah, xbmc sounds innaresting |
| 11:00 | * magnuse | moves ahead of wizzyrea in the commit stats and does a little happydance |
| 11:01 | trea | hehe |
| 11:01 | wizzyrea | curses. |
| 11:01 | magnuse | moahahaha |
| 11:01 | trea | lol |
| 11:01 | wizzyrea | I'll get you my pretty |
| 11:01 | magnuse | who's Tumer Garip? |
| 11:01 | kf | magnuse: I got only pushed down this release :( |
| 11:02 | magnuse | kf: that is because you have moved to a level above us mere mortals |
| 11:02 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 11:03 | trea | kf no longer needs the weirding module |
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| 11:04 | wizzyrea | @quote add trea: kf no longer needs the weirding module |
| 11:04 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #246 added. |
| 11:04 | magnuse | lol |
| 11:04 | wizzyrea | (kf, that means you're brilliant) |
| 11:04 | trea | definitely |
| 11:04 | wizzyrea | (in case that didn't seem like a compliment_ |
| 11:05 | (because it totally is) | |
| 11:05 | kf | um |
| 11:05 | k? | |
| 11:05 | wahanui | k is there no other way to access it from another web browser |
| 11:05 | trea | it's from Dune |
| 11:05 | was perhaps a bit esoteric | |
| 11:06 | kf | hm i read dune - but it probably got lost in translation :) |
| 11:06 | * magnuse | thought it sort of made sense, without knowing dune |
| 11:07 | promises to make little leonard a better geek than he is himself | |
| 11:08 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 11:08 | how is the little guy? | |
| 11:08 | kf | wizzyrea: he has a pretty cute smile :) |
| 11:08 | magnuse | doing good! growing some teeth |
| 11:09 | wizzyrea | i haven't seen pics in ages :) |
| 11:09 | teeth are fun, hope you are sleeping ok :P | |
| 11:09 | kf | magnuse: ... someone promised to send me pics |
| 11:09 | ... | |
| 11:09 | magnuse | not really crawling yet, but just yesterday he started to drag himself forward |
| 11:10 | kf: um, yeah, someone probably did ... | |
| 11:10 | once we get them out of the iPhone... | |
| 11:10 | kf | ohoh |
| 11:10 | magnuse | and i have this super cool gallery system that is almost finished... :-) |
| 11:11 | kf | an iphone and an almost finished project... I better give up hope? :) |
| 11:11 | trea | awww |
| 11:12 | it happens when it happens | |
| 11:12 | magnuse | kf: no way, we'll get there |
| 11:12 | :-) | |
| 11:12 | kf | :) |
| 11:12 | I still got photos of you and leonard on my phoen :) so that's ok :) | |
| 11:13 | * magnuse | sets his aim for at least 100 patches before the release of 3.14 |
| 11:13 | * kf | sets an aim for 50 qa each month :) |
| 11:14 | magnuse | ooh, nice |
| 11:15 | trea | television? |
| 11:15 | wahanui | well, television is at http://neave.com/television/ |
| 11:16 | magnuse | meanwhile, in Tromsø: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akam[…]_1081443935_o.jpg |
| 11:16 | trea | ! |
| 11:16 | magnuse | @wunder tos |
| 11:16 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Tromso - Langnes, Norway is 6.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on May 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:18 | wizzyrea | come on ubuntu update! |
| 11:18 | you can do it! | |
| 11:18 | I know you can! | |
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| 11:19 | wizzyrea | i suppose this would be faster if I wasn't pulling from the us mirror >.< CURSES. |
| 11:19 | magnuse | sure it *can*, but does it *want to*? |
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| 11:46 | wizzyrea | oh we're actually installing stuff now |
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| 11:51 | jcamins | @later tell dcook You are probably missing the YAML file/reference to YAML file in the koha-conf.xml file. You should rerun the installer, or manually add a queryparser_config key pointing at queryparser.yaml to koha-conf.xml. |
| 11:51 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:51 | jcamins | wizzyrea: isn't it a bit late for you? |
| 11:51 | wizzyrea | mmm LITTLE |
| 11:52 | er, wine. | |
| 11:52 | a little. :) | |
| 11:57 | magnuse | http://www.winehq.org/ ? |
| 11:58 | wizzyrea | i have some kind of silly wine-in-a-box, go ahead, laugh at me. |
| 11:59 | it's not bad tasting though! | |
| 11:59 | magnuse | nz wine, we assume? |
| 12:00 | tcohen | we mix that with some lemon and sugar wizzyrea |
| 12:00 | wizzyrea | I think so :) it could be australian I suppose. Oh, like sangria? |
| 12:00 | somewhere, they do red wine and coke. | |
| 12:00 | tcohen | exactly |
| 12:00 | wizzyrea | which just sounds YUCK to me |
| 12:00 | tcohen | :-D |
| 12:01 | wizzyrea | i adore sangria |
| 12:01 | jcamins | I should make sangria more often. |
| 12:01 | And by "more often" I mean "ever." | |
| 12:01 | wizzyrea | it's quite yum |
| 12:01 | tcohen | heh, that happens in Cordoba too |
| 12:02 | wizzyrea | trea has had it - not sure what he thought of it |
| 12:03 | trea | it was different |
| 12:03 | it might improve wine i didn't care for | |
| 12:03 | magnuse | nice way to put it ;-) |
| 12:04 | trea | not my favorite beverage |
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| 13:07 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:07 | druthb | Hi, oleonard! |
| 13:08 | oleonard | I would very much appreciate it if someone could test Bug 10166 |
| 13:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable |
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| 13:10 | oleonard | Hi sekjal |
| 13:10 | sekjal | hi, oleonard |
| 13:10 | oleonard | What brings you to #koha today? |
| 13:11 | sekjal | thought I'd pop in a see how my friends are. it's a lovely day outside here, which makes me want to interact with people |
| 13:11 | druthb | sekjal! *hugs* |
| 13:11 | sekjal | as opposed to lines of code |
| 13:11 | hi, druthb!! | |
| 13:13 | magnuse | hiya sekjal |
| 13:13 | sekjal | howdy, magnuse! |
| 13:13 | how y'all doing? | |
| 13:14 | magnuse | good! (except i'm coming down with a cold...) |
| 13:14 | sekjal | magnuse: well that minor unpleasantness aside, good to hear |
| 13:16 | magnuse | :-) |
| 13:16 | and yourself? | |
| 13:17 | sekjal | doing alright. the end of semester is proving particularly hectic this year |
| 13:17 | magnuse | more than usual? |
| 13:17 | sekjal | yes |
| 13:17 | I'm launching into a website redesign project | |
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| 13:17 | sekjal | with a fairly aggressive timeline (for the magnitude) |
| 13:18 | also, my wife's foot is still broken, and she's somehow taken on even more work this year than last | |
| 13:18 | kf | 2013 does that to you |
| 13:19 | sekjal | hi, kf! |
| 13:19 | kf | hi sekjal :) |
| 13:19 | crazy busy here too | |
| 13:19 | lots of nice projects tho | |
| 13:19 | magnuse | yeah, 2013 seems to be a busy year all round |
| 13:20 | sekjal | oh, and also right now is the nesting season for peregrine falcons, and I'm doing a lot of the work around streaming our webcam of them |
| 13:20 | * magnuse | tries to juggle ~4 projects |
| 13:20 | magnuse | sekjal++ |
| 13:20 | Dyrcona | sekjal: URL? |
| 13:20 | wahanui | URL is horrid :) |
| 13:20 | oleonard | Can we see sekjal? |
| 13:20 | magnuse | oleonard: you want to see sekjal, not the falcons? |
| 13:21 | Dyrcona | wahanui: I wasn't asking you. |
| 13:21 | wahanui | Dyrcona: huh? |
| 13:21 | Dyrcona | :) |
| 13:21 | jcamins | magnuse: we want to see both in the same frame, for scale. |
| 13:21 | kf | magnuse: hm... i lost track of the count here :) |
| 13:21 | sekjal | http://library.umass.edu/falcons |
| 13:21 | please keep in mind that the current streaming provider is... limited | |
| 13:21 | we're upgrading hopefully today | |
| 13:21 | oleonard | Nice view anyway |
| 13:22 | kf | ooh |
| 13:22 | at least 3 eggs | |
| 13:22 | sekjal | yup, 4 this year |
| 13:22 | Dyrcona | sekjal: Beautiful just the same. She's moving the eggs a little. |
| 13:22 | * Dyrcona | didn't know UMass uses Koha. |
| 13:22 | magnuse | wow, that is great picture quality! |
| 13:23 | * magnuse | feared the #koha effect would take the whole thing down ;-) |
| 13:23 | sekjal | Dyrcona: we don't |
| 13:23 | * jcamins | sniffles sadly. |
| 13:23 | jcamins | :) |
| 13:24 | Dyrcona | ah.... |
| 13:24 | jcamins | Fortunately, things are looking up in the UMass on Koha department, because they have sekjal. :) |
| 13:24 | magnuse | it's certainly a good start! |
| 13:24 | Dyrcona | jcamins: I think the commonwealth is going to make Evergreen madatory if you want funding. :) |
| 13:24 | j/k | |
| 13:25 | jcamins | Better EG than Aleph. :) |
| 13:25 | Dyrcona | True, true.... |
| 13:26 | sekjal | we've got a lot of Evergreen in our public consortia in Mass. and also MassCat on Koha |
| 13:27 | Dyrcona | Yep. I'm with MVLC, the first to go to Evergreen. |
| 13:27 | sekjal | Dyrcona: nice! |
| 13:27 | Dyrcona | first in Mass, anyway. |
| 13:27 | jcamins | That is one busy falcon. |
| 13:28 | Dyrcona | Being a parent is a lot of work. |
| 13:28 | sekjal | it's nice that both parents share the nesting responsibilities |
| 13:29 | kf | sekjal: when are the eggs... um.. due? |
| 13:29 | sekjal | we're pretty sure it's the same pair that's come here for the last 10-11 years |
| 13:29 | kf: I don't know... I'm not sure when they were laid | |
| 13:29 | our camera was put up late this year; the eggs were already there when we installed | |
| 13:30 | Dyrcona | oh well. I should get back to blogging. |
| 13:31 | kf | Joubu++ |
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| 13:48 | tcohen | kohacon? |
| 13:48 | kohacon13? | |
| 13:48 | wahanui | well, kohacon13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary |
| 13:48 | tcohen | :-D |
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| 13:59 | oleonard | By my count there are 30 non-enhancement patches awaiting signoff, and almost all of them make no string changes |
| 13:59 | kf | oleonard: yes :) |
| 13:59 | and the qa queue is pretty much down, although we have one in there that are a bit hard to test | |
| 14:00 | but sign offs are very welcome :) | |
| 14:01 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:01 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009) |
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| 14:25 | tcohen_ | i got disconnected sorry, anyne attending to reno |
| 14:25 | is 91,53 the cheapest? every1 is going there? | |
| 14:28 | kf | tcohen: did you see the link on the homepage for the hotel? |
| 14:29 | ah right | |
| 14:29 | yes, I think that's the cheapest then | |
| 14:29 | the normal prices were much higher | |
| 14:30 | hi gmcharlt - did you see Joubu's note about the encoding problems? i | |
| 14:30 | it would be good to see that solved on mater, it's quite irritating in testing | |
| 14:30 | oleonard | jcamins around? |
| 14:30 | gmcharlt | kf: yes -- I'm shortly going to push a patch to remove that on the basis of completing the revert |
| 14:31 | kf | cool - thx :) |
| 14:52 | tcohen | ok, my bosses face weren't as friendly as I expected :-( |
| 14:57 | gmcharlt | ? |
| 14:58 | oleonard | 77b64098 is the black hole of templates git blame |
| 14:58 | Bug 5917 | |
| 14:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit |
| 14:59 | jcamins | oleonard: now I am.s |
| 14:59 | s/s$// | |
| 15:00 | tcohen | should top most-circulated items count not checked-in items too? the fact that it counts them from old_issues only seems a bug to me |
| 15:00 | oleonard | jcamins: Do I need to have something special installed to test Bug 9961? |
| 15:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser |
| 15:02 | jcamins | oleonard: nope, but you do need to have a koha-conf.xml which points to the queryparser.yaml file. |
| 15:02 | oleonard | Ah, maybe that's my problem... |
| 15:02 | jcamins | If you do not run the upgrade procedure after upgrading, you can end up with an out-of-date configuration. |
| 15:03 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Complete revert of 6554 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0f251b13de5e4c773> |
| 15:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1163 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 15:24 | tcohen | jcamins, should top most circulated items count stuff from 'issues'? is it a bug not to? |
| 15:24 | jcamins | tcohen: I don't think I have a strong opinion either way. |
| 15:26 | This is why libraries should install for finals week: http://assets.unclutterer.com/[…]s/130503-ask2.jpg | |
| 15:26 | *what | |
| 15:29 | oleonard | Is that a monitor under there? |
| 15:30 | druthb | looks like it. |
| 15:30 | jcamins | It does indeed. |
| 15:34 | oleonard | jcamins: Getting back to 9961, I'm getting an error when I try a search: Can't call method "custom_data" on an undefined value at C4/Search.pm line 1177 |
| 15:35 | jcamins | oleonard: definitely a missing koha-conf.xml configuration setting. |
| 15:35 | I'll do a revised patch which checks whether it was able to load the configuration before it tries to work with the QueryParser object. | |
| 15:36 | oleonard | I see the link to queryparser.yaml in koha-conf.xml |
| 15:38 | kf | packages |
| 15:38 | wahanui | packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 15:38 | jcamins | oleonard: I have a new patch which will be uploaded momentarily. |
| 15:39 | Attached. | |
| 15:43 | oleonard | Now I'm getting no search results |
| 15:44 | jcamins | oleonard: with what combination of settings? |
| 15:45 | oleonard | QueryAutoTruncate "automatically," QueryFuzzy "Try," QueryStemming "Try," QueryWeightFields "Enable," UseQueryParser "Try" |
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| 15:45 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:46 | jcamins | oleonard: and if you don't have the patch applied, you get results? |
| 15:49 | tcohen | we don't have views in MySQL already, right gmcharlt ? |
| 15:50 | oleonard | jcamins: Uh... No, now I don't. |
| 15:50 | gmcharlt | tcohen: no, we don't appear to have any defined in the stock schema |
| 15:50 | gaetan_B | have a nice week end, bye ! |
| 15:51 | jcamins | oleonard: try restarting Zebra. |
| 15:59 | gmcharlt: regarding a separate table for the data BLOB, isn't it also the case that MySQL's query optimizer can't keep joins over tables with BLOB columns in memory, even if there's enough memory available? | |
| 16:00 | Before responding to that effect, I wanted to check if my understanding was correct. | |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | jcamins: I don't know, actually. I'm seeing some stackexchange threads to that effect, but haven't yet seen something from a more definitive source |
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| 16:03 | jcamins | I think I read it in High Performance MySQL, but I don't have the book to check. |
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| 16:08 | jcamins | Why am I still getting e-mails? |
| 16:09 | Folks, if you have to keep this inane thread going, for goodness' sake, put something in the subject like "TROLL-BAIT" or "WASTE OF TIME." | |
| 16:09 | I'm getting tired of deleting these messages. | |
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| 16:17 | tcohen | jcamins, did u get the testing dsitribution for beta packages of 3.12? |
| 16:19 | jcamins | tcohen: eythian didn't have time to set it up, but I uploaded a package you can install with dpkg to download.k-c.org. |
| 16:19 | tcohen | thanks, i'm currently downloading it |
| 16:23 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1163: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1163/ |
| 16:23 | Galen Charlton: Complete revert of 6554 | |
| 16:24 | tcohen | what tz is dpavlin? |
| 16:25 | slef | @seen dpavlin |
| 16:25 | huginn` | slef: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 5 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 57 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <dpavlin> cait: don't you have to go to sleep? You can a trip tommorow :-) |
| 16:25 | kf | tcohen: croatia |
| 16:25 | slef | tcohen: looks like Europe BICBW |
| 16:26 | tcohen | thanks kf slef |
| 16:26 | slef | kf: http://paste.koha-community.org/485 "Paste not found" |
| 16:26 | kf | slef: hm? |
| 16:27 | oh it got deleted | |
| 16:27 | tcohen | what was that? |
| 16:27 | slef | git bz problem with diacritics in the commit message |
| 16:27 | kf | it happens only when you try to do git bz attach -e - I deal with itnow by doing a git bz edit and a git bz attach (without the -e) |
| 16:27 | can't do another rightnow | |
| 16:30 | slef | kf: file a bug report when you do another? |
| 16:30 | kf | slef: yes - i will try to remember |
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| 16:43 | ghoulmann | some questions as we give koha consideration in our hs after years with athena |
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| 16:45 | ghoulmann | 1) WHeezy ready? 2) formal paid support for guidance exporting from athena? 3) that's all i can think of now. |
| 16:46 | jcamins | ghoulmann: yes, Koha will work with any modern apt-based Linux distribution. |
| 16:47 | And, yes, there are vendors who provide migration and support. | |
| 16:47 | Oh, and, 3) maybe. | |
| 16:47 | :) | |
| 16:49 | liw | ghoulmann, Debian wheezy (7.0) is releasing tomorrow Saturday, unless something really, really bad gets found at the last minute |
| 16:49 | ghoulmann | :) |
| 16:50 | jcamins | liw: really? |
| 16:50 | Hooray!!!! | |
| 16:50 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' |
| 16:50 | jcamins | More confetti |
| 16:50 | wahanui: more confetti is <reply> o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' | |
| 16:50 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 16:50 | ghoulmann | yup, looking forward to the release; I"ve done a run through with debian squeeze. Didn't see koha packages in wheezy repos however. |
| 16:51 | jcamins | The Koha packages are not distributed as part of Debian. |
| 16:51 | liw | jcamins, https://lists.debian.org/debia[…]/04/msg00006.html |
| 16:51 | ghoulmann | TY |
| 16:51 | jcamins | ghoulmann: however, the packages at debian.koha-community.org will work just fine with wheezy. |
| 16:52 | ghoulmann | excellent. great start. where do i look for migration services/support? |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Actually, our Packaging Manager builds them on a wheezy environment. |
| 16:52 | paid support? | |
| 16:52 | wahanui | please see http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ for a list of paid Koha support vendors. |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Thanks, wahanui. |
| 16:52 | wahanui | de rien jcamins |
| 16:53 | jcamins | What kind of library do you work for? |
| 16:53 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack cookie |
| 16:53 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 16:56 | ghoulmann | we're working on library refit for nonpublic high school in MD |
| 16:56 | jcamins | Gotcha. |
| 16:56 | oleonard | That thing where opac-maintenance.pl redirects to opac-main.pl if updates are done? I love that. |
| 16:57 | ghoulmann | i need to make a case for open source for an administration that's terrified of it |
| 16:57 | jcamins | oleonard: I know, right? So much more convenient. |
| 16:57 | ghoulmann: if it doesn't do what they want, they can have it changed. :) | |
| 16:57 | oleonard | Fixing little pain points like that really makes a difference. |
| 16:57 | jcamins | If they decide they want to have internal IT do all the maintenance, they don't have to pay for support again, ever. |
| 16:59 | ghoulmann | that makes sense to me - i'd like to see our 2 2003 servers become linux servers - but they seem to feel open source and adware are the same and that only I can support if we shift to open source. Contrary to all sense. |
| 16:59 | jcamins | If they decide they don't like their support vendor, they can switch just by calling up a different support vendor and saying "we'd like to switch." |
| 16:59 | ghoulmann | adding to the list |
| 17:00 | jcamins | And one of my favorites: they might think they don't need feature X now, but that doesn't mean they are locked in to never using feature X. |
| 17:00 | ghoulmann | good |
| 17:00 | jcamins | I have a library that said "we don't want the Acquisitions module, so please don't include it on the quote." |
| 17:00 | It always makes me so happy to say "actually, Acquisitions is free. You don't have to use it, but if you change your mind, it will be there waiting." | |
| 17:01 | ghoulmann | librarian is giving evergreen a look over two. I'd like to be able to say don't bother. but i can't yet |
| 17:01 | * jcamins | definitely recommends comparison shopping. |
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| 17:02 | ghoulmann | s|two|too| |
| 17:02 | Dyrcona | ghoulmann: It's good that they're looking at both Koha and Evergreen. They should know what they're getting and hopefully will know why they chose one or the other. |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Dyrcona is an Evergreen developer. |
| 17:03 | Dyrcona | Who often suggests that people also look at Koha when they say they're going to go to Evergreen, and clearly haven't had a look at all of their options. |
| 17:04 | * Dyrcona | wants people to make the right choice for their situation, because it doesn't help if they chose an ILS for the wrong reasons. |
| 17:04 | * jcamins | pops off for a quick bite to eat. |
| 17:05 | Dyrcona | We spent over a year looking at Evergreen and Koha before we made our final decision. |
| 17:10 | ghoulmann | excellent help. |
| 17:10 | thank you. | |
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| 17:21 | rambutan | AH! I know I had seen dyrcona somewhere in the cloud, but it was bothering me because I couldn't remember. Now I know (EG). |
| 17:21 | knew | |
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| 17:47 | gglitch | Newb question: O |
| 17:49 | What happens if I just replace a new Koha installation's database with a copy of the old installation's database? Does everything populate as it is in the old installation? I'm having a devil of a time migrating from one old Koha installation to a new one. | |
| 17:49 | cait | hm |
| 17:50 | jcamins | gglitch: you have to run through the database update step (this will happen automatically when you try to log into the staff client. |
| 17:50 | tcohen | if you DROP/CREATE an empty DB and fill with your old DB |
| 17:50 | cait | if you put a older version database in a new installation |
| 17:50 | it should update | |
| 17:50 | tcohen | that will trigger the upgrade process |
| 17:50 | jcamins | And once it finishes, you'll be upgraded. |
| 17:50 | cait | what is your old version and the one you are going to? |
| 17:50 | jcamins | If it's a very old version (pre-3.4), you'll also have to run a special upgrade script. |
| 17:50 | And you'll need to reindex Zebra. | |
| 17:51 | gglitch | The old is 3.04, the new is 3.10 |
| 17:51 | Thanks, everyone. jcamins, will I find the upgrade script on Koha's site? | |
| 17:51 | jcamins | If you mean 3.4 as opposed to 3.0.4, all you need to do is let the upgrade run in the web installer. |
| 17:52 | No, the script is automatic. | |
| 17:52 | I meant when you log into *your* Koha installation, it will make you run it. | |
| 17:52 | gglitch | It's giving me 3.04.05.000 for the old one |
| 17:52 | tcohen | wrong jcamins, some fairies will go at night and upgrade ti |
| 17:52 | jcamins | tcohen: lol |
| 17:53 | gglitch: excellent, all you have to do is log into the staff client, take a long lunch, and, once it finishes, reindex Zebra. | |
| 17:53 | cait | hehe |
| 17:54 | gglitch | Lovely. Thanks. |
| 17:54 | tcohen | why the pod for cat_issues_top.pl say "plugin that shows stats on borrowers"? |
| 17:54 | (Top most-circulated items script) | |
| 17:54 | cait | because it was copied from another file |
| 17:54 | i would think | |
| 17:55 | tcohen | yes, its similar to many of the reports scripts |
| 17:55 | * tcohen | is struggling not to refactor things there |
| 17:55 | cait | i think correcting the pod would certainly be a bug fix ;) |
| 17:55 | most of the older reports are a bit ugly | |
| 17:55 | tcohen | *maybe* move the 'calculate' function to C4::Reports |
| 17:56 | also there are a bunch of strings in the .pl that makes it untranslatable maybe | |
| 17:57 | cait | tcohen: that sounds really ugly now |
| 17:58 | tcohen: would you mind saying more funny things? | |
| 17:59 | * cait | needs to be cheered up |
| 17:59 | cait | and jcamins has turned out ot not be very funny |
| 17:59 | * cait | hands jcamins a coookie anyway |
| 18:00 | tcohen | http://9gag.com/gag/aGYWKo7?ref=fbp |
| 18:01 | cait | heh |
| 18:01 | * cait | hands tcohen a cookie too |
| 18:15 | tcohen | @search memcached packages |
| 18:15 | huginn` | tcohen: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables. |
| 18:16 | tcohen | @search memcached |
| 18:16 | huginn` | tcohen: There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 18:16 | tcohen | @query memcached |
| 18:16 | huginn` | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8879 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , silence messages from running prove ./t ./xt |
| 18:16 | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9408 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , make test fails on master | |
| 18:16 | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7170 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Remove use of XML::Simple | |
| 18:16 | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P3, ---, bart.tj, ASSIGNED , Omnibus for unit tests required for all C4 modules | |
| 18:16 | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere | |
| 18:19 | tcohen | cait: if I uncomment #use warnings on a script |
| 18:19 | I assume is commented because breaks something, right? | |
| 18:19 | jcamins | tcohen: not necessarily. |
| 18:19 | tcohen | whereshould I look for problems? the logs? |
| 18:20 | jcamins | However, any script you are substantially revising you should be uncommenting that and fixing the warnings. |
| 18:20 | Yeah. | |
| 18:20 | Logs. | |
| 18:20 | tcohen | ok |
| 18:20 | should i use Modern::Perl; instead? | |
| 18:20 | jcamins | That's somewhat preferred at this point, so, yeah, might as well. |
| 18:21 | gglitch | Koha reported some errors, but so far my "migration" seems like a success. THank you folks. |
| 18:25 | tcohen | gglitch: did u watch the full Speedmouse show (from The Umbillical Brothers) |
| 18:31 | jcamins: is it ok to have our $name in a .pl script? | |
| 18:31 | * tcohen | thinks cait should see the full show today |
| 18:32 | cait | hm? |
| 18:33 | oleonard | Is IndependantBranches not supposed to affect OPAC operations? With it enabled should a patron be able to choose their hold pickup location? |
| 18:33 | cait | hm |
| 18:34 | maybe depends on reserveformotherbranches or something like that? | |
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| 18:35 | oleonard | I have IndependantBranches on, and canreservefromotherbranches set to "Don't allow (with indepenent branches) |
| 18:35 | ...and patrons can choose their branch when placing holds in the OPAC | |
| 18:36 | jcamins | oleonard: sounds like a bug. |
| 18:36 | tcohen: our $name is okay, but using parameters is even better. | |
| 18:36 | oleonard | Ugh, and we *also* have a preference called OPACAllowUserToChooseBranch ? |
| 18:37 | tcohen | i understand our makes the variable global in the context of a package? |
| 18:37 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:38 | And actually there probably shouldn't be any subroutines in the .pl file anyway. | |
| 18:38 | tcohen | in a CGI (.pl) script we should use my instead |
| 18:38 | oleonard | Okay, so canreservefromotherbranches is about putting a hold on a branch *at* another library. Nothing to do with delivery place. |
| 18:39 | And OPACAllowUserToChooseBranch is about picking the library where you want to pick it up. | |
| 18:39 | tcohen | oh, that our there is to allow the subroutine access the outside variable |
| 18:39 | * oleonard | cancel's his tantrum. |
| 18:39 | jcamins | Right. |
| 18:39 | oleonard: oh, good. | |
| 18:40 | tcohen | now i get it, thanks jcamins, i never used our, everyday I learn stuff, this is great |
| 18:40 | jcamins | :) |
| 18:50 | oleonard | I recall being told that opac-results-grouped.tt *is* still in use, but how does one trigger its use? |
| 18:51 | Requires PazPar2? | |
| 18:52 | cait | hm i think so |
| 18:53 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:53 | I recall being told it doesn't actually work, though. | |
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| 19:25 | jcamins | oleonard: did you get your search working again? |
| 19:27 | oleonard | jcamins: I can't remember if I'm back to the same place or to the reverse... Searches with UseQueryParser work, with it turned off they don't |
| 19:27 | * oleonard | has been distracted by 17 different things since then |
| 19:28 | jcamins | oleonard: that's both with and without the patch? |
| 19:28 | * drojf | hopes it were 17 different cookies |
| 19:28 | oleonard | jcamins: Yes |
| 19:28 | jcamins | oleonard: that's... bizarre. |
| 19:28 | Wait. | |
| 19:29 | Actually, it's probably that you're using ICU + QueryFuzzy. | |
| 19:29 | With QueryFuzzy and ICU, searches don't work. | |
| 19:29 | oleonard | You're right |
| 19:29 | jcamins | \o/ |
| 19:30 | * jcamins | loves being right. |
| 19:30 | oleonard | I knew there was a reason I didn't have icu on before :| |
| 19:30 | * oleonard | loves 17 different cookies |
| 19:30 | cait | icu is good |
| 19:31 | * cait | votes for fuzzy being broken :P |
| 19:31 | drojf | +1 for what cait says |
| 19:31 | druthb | cait++ |
| 19:31 | jcamins | +1 |
| 19:32 | cait | druthb: you always look for an excuse... |
| 19:35 | druthb | and that's a problem how? |
| 19:35 | cait | messing with karma is dangerous! |
| 19:35 | druthb | Let's check for community consensus on this: Anyone mind me ++ing cait? |
| 19:35 | Anyone? | |
| 19:35 | wahanui | Anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) |
| 19:35 | druthb | Anyone? |
| 19:35 | wahanui | hmmm... Anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) |
| 19:35 | cait | hardly anyone here right now! |
| 19:35 | druthb | Didn't think so. |
| 19:35 | oleonard | What if we run out of +es?! |
| 19:36 | cait | see |
| 19:36 | druthb | Plenty more to be had, oleonard. |
| 19:36 | oleonard | That's what they said about the dodo when they were barbecuing them for breakfast lunch and dinner! |
| 19:37 | druthb | Yeah, but plusses are more common than crooked politicians. |
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| 19:39 | oleonard | That is pretty common... |
| 19:40 | druthb | ikr? plenty! |
| 19:40 | cait | druthb: you should listen to oleonard |
| 19:40 | he is pretty clever | |
| 19:40 | druthb | oleonard did not object to me plussing you. |
| 19:41 | cait | he said you were endangering our plus supply |
| 19:41 | druthb | no, he asked what would happen if we run out. Not the same thing. |
| 19:41 | cait | and the plusses will end like the dodos! |
| 19:42 | oleonard | It would be tragic if I wanted to give karma to kittens and suddenly there was none left. |
| 19:42 | Oh wait, I could just take it from IE again! | |
| 19:42 | IE-- | |
| 19:42 | Endless supply! | |
| 19:42 | druthb | kittens++ |
| 19:42 | cait | ie-- heh |
| 19:42 | druthb | see? Plenty. |
| 19:46 | cait | hm |
| 19:47 | * oleonard | wonders how long misc/cronjobs/build_browser_and_tags.pl will be "experimental" |
| 19:47 | cait | heh |
| 19:47 | until someone repairs them i guess | |
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| 20:21 | tcohen | so, arg vs. nz @ wembley to start? |
| 20:22 | cait | oh? |
| 20:22 | tcohen | that was meant for rangi i guess |
| 20:23 | cait | so it' snot? :) |
| 20:29 | oleonard | Have a good weekend #koha |
| 20:29 | cait | bye oleonard you too |
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| 21:16 | drojf | i have tried browsers and tags a long time ago and it worked. the most experimental things were to enable it and the ugly layout it produced :P and you need to put in your classification somehow |
| 21:16 | s/browsers/browser | |
| 21:17 | * cait | wishes she had more play time |
| 21:18 | * drojf | wishes we all had more playtime |
| 21:18 | * jcamins | wishes he knew what that word meant. :P |
| 21:19 | cait | you just want me to give you more cookies |
| 21:19 | * cait | gives in |
| 21:19 | cait | have to keep the rm happy |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Yes you do. :P |
| 21:19 | cait | for the last 19 days :) |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Shari suggested chocolate-cranberry cookies. |
| 21:19 | I liked that idea. | |
| 21:20 | cait | sounds good :) |
| 21:20 | what kind of hcocolate? | |
| 21:22 | jcamins | Probably made with cocoa. |
| 21:25 | Or maybe something like this: http://www.marthastewart.com/3[…]cranberry-cookies | |
| 21:26 | cait | they look good |
| 21:26 | jcamins | I'm also going to make a no-chocolate coconut cookie. |
| 21:27 | Not sure what it will entail yet. | |
| 21:35 | * jcamins | heads home to find out. |
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| 23:12 | jcamins | @later tell wizzyrea I don't think it's your page, but could you maybe take a look at the /get-involved/ page and fix it so that it doesn't refresh continually? |
| 23:12 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:13 | jcamins | Anyone from ByWater around? |
| 23:18 | Well, should anyone from ByWater wander through, it might be a good idea to do a new tweet with the correct link for the voting page that you mentioned (based on the Tweet I gather that there is some new page for voting on most-wanted features. | |
| 23:19 | gmcharlt | jcamins: well, I think that was kinda experimental and not necessarily meant to be publicized just yet in general |
| 23:19 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I didn't even know there was such a page. |
| 23:20 | However, the Tweet definitely points everyone to a broken page. | |
| 23:38 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #24 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 23:41 | jcamins | Mmm. |
| 23:42 | That clam chowder is *amazing*. |
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