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| 00:50 | trea | lists? |
| 00:50 | listserv? | |
| 00:51 | mailing list? | |
| 00:51 | wahanui | mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 00:51 | trea | there we go |
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| 02:12 | eythian | wahanui: lists is <reply>try 'listserv', $who |
| 02:12 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 02:12 | eythian | wahanui: listserv is <reply>try 'mailing list', $who |
| 02:12 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | forums? |
| 02:13 | wahanui | forums are http://koha-community.org/support/forums/ |
| 02:13 | eythian | wahanui: csvtomarc |
| 02:13 | wahanui | csvtomarc is an external script to help with migrations. |
| 02:13 | cjh | hahaha |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | OH SNAP. |
| 02:13 | * wizzyrea | wonders if she did that |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | if not, good work whoever did :P |
| 02:14 | hehe no it was mjr | |
| 02:14 | slef++ | |
| 02:14 | eythian | no wahanui, csvtomarc is <reply>the latest version is at https://gitorious.org/+catalys[…]migration-toolbox - improvements welcome |
| 02:14 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
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| 03:00 | bag | evening |
| 03:00 | wahanui | evening is better for me - but not too late |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | forget evening |
| 03:00 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot evening |
| 03:01 | bag | Hi wizzyrea |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | hi :) |
| 03:02 | bag | gmcharlt: HA from the @later |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea isn't it beer time there? | |
| 03:02 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | nearly :) |
| 03:03 | bag | gmcharlt I really wish I still had the nick brendan instead of bag |
| 03:03 | But my dad is very proud that finally somewhere in my life I am using bag :P | |
| 03:06 | oh man that comment scared away mtj | |
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| 03:18 | bag | welcome back mtj |
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| 07:25 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:36 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:01 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 08:02 | asaurat | hi |
| 08:06 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:06 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:06 | kf | @wunder Marseille |
| 08:06 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:08 | kf | hm |
| 08:16 | magnuse | kf: the forecast for next week is not too bad, though! http://www.yr.no/place/France/[…]ux-Port/long.html |
| 08:16 | very windy today, though | |
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| 08:20 | drojf | jcamins++ kf++ |
| 08:21 | good morning #koha | |
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| 08:29 | christophe_c | hi #koha |
| 08:39 | magnuse | bonjour! |
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| 09:17 | drojf | when i try to check out an item i get »No branchcode argument passed to Koha::Calendar->new at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 3036« in a 3.10.2 from tarball |
| 09:21 | magnuse | drojf: you're not logged in as the db user, right? |
| 09:21 | drojf | no, i'm logged in as myself |
| 09:21 | magnuse | ok, no idea then :-( |
| 09:24 | kf | drojf: hmmm |
| 09:24 | did you load sample data? | |
| 09:24 | for holidays? | |
| 09:25 | and does the user have a proper branch? | |
| 09:25 | drojf | good question. there was also no default rule for checkouts but that did not change anything |
| 09:25 | yes branch is there | |
| 09:25 | kf | for item too? |
| 09:25 | drojf | yes |
| 09:29 | there was nothing in holidays. i added sunday. same error | |
| 09:31 | magnuse | what does the line in Circulation.pm look like? |
| 09:32 | drojf | my $calendar = Koha::Calendar->new( branchcode => $branch ); |
| 09:33 | kf | did you check the holiday related tables? |
| 09:33 | the sample data has no branch code | |
| 09:33 | drojf | hm but there was no sample data |
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| 09:36 | kf | hm than it's probably not the reason :( |
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| 09:46 | alohabot | Hi mib_c075j9, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 09:46 | mib_c075j9 | hi |
| 09:46 | wahanui | hello, mib_c075j9 |
| 09:47 | shanreta | i have a question about changing search order? |
| 09:48 | has anyone done this? | |
| 09:49 | kf | it depends on what you want to do - can you describe your problem a bit more? |
| 09:50 | shanreta | the default search on the front page is 'library catalogue' |
| 09:50 | this is not working well for us at the moment | |
| 09:51 | we would like to change the search order dropdown | |
| 09:51 | so 'title keyword' is first | |
| 09:51 | then author, subject, and title phrase | |
| 09:51 | i assume there is some jquery changes involved as well as css? | |
| 09:52 | or is it just js? | |
| 09:52 | we are running 3.10 at the moment | |
| 09:53 | i haven't been able to find anything on this particular issue anywhere on the list or in the library | |
| 09:54 | which usually means it is too difficult or too easy :) | |
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| 10:21 | drojf | magnuse: the default framework was changed and the koha fields removed for 952_ab |
| 10:21 | @quote 123 | |
| 10:21 | wahanui | @quote get 123 |
| 10:21 | huginn | drojf: I suck |
| 10:21 | wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) | |
| 10:21 | wahanui | ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... |
| 10:23 | magnuse | drojf: ouch! |
| 10:23 | drojf | yes, great idea :D |
| 10:28 | shanreta | hello |
| 10:28 | wahanui | privet, shanreta |
| 10:32 | kf | sorry shanreta - lots to do here |
| 10:32 | you could do it with jquery | |
| 10:32 | css would not work | |
| 10:57 | shanreta | ok |
| 10:57 | something must set the current order | |
| 10:58 | kf | it's hardcoded in the template |
| 10:58 | shanreta | oh boy |
| 10:58 | kf | you can use jquery to move the elements around |
| 10:58 | it actually is not that hard to do | |
| 10:58 | jquery library | |
| 10:58 | wahanui | i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 10:59 | shanreta | good cause i'm new to jquery |
| 10:59 | yeah i've looked there | |
| 10:59 | i see ways to rename the current fields | |
| 11:01 | kf | I don't have the time to help you right now, but maybe try an email to the mailing list |
| 11:01 | shanreta | ok thanks kf |
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| 11:18 | slef | sent reminder to ptfs-europe to get that ILL enh into bugs |
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| 11:19 | slef | Am I right to think that my best tactic is to make sure all our enh are in bugzilla today, then to review/signoff enh/new bugs next week, then switch back to bugfixes? |
| 11:24 | magnuse | slef: "Starting on March 15, any patch adding a new feature or enhancement which has not already been attached to a bug on Bugzilla (or submitted to Koha via git branch) will not be considered for inclusion in Koha 3.12. " |
| 11:25 | i read that as patches for enhancements need to be attached to bugs by today | |
| 11:25 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Roadmap_to_3.12 | |
| 11:26 | slef | magnuse: yeah, so do you think reviewing enh until 22nd seems best? |
| 11:26 | phone | |
| 11:27 | magnuse | slef: yeah, for enh where the patch is already in bugzilla, the coming week is the last chance to get in |
| 11:28 | as far as i understand | |
| 11:38 | kf | finding the right mix between fixing critical bugs and enhancements might be the thing |
| 11:38 | but not sure how one can | |
| 11:41 | slef | so the other question is: who will offer us the best incentives to signoff and QA review their enh/new bugs? ;-) |
| 11:41 | magnuse | hehe, yeah |
| 11:42 | i'm thinking i will focus mostly on bugfixes and finding bugs next week, unless there are some really tasty enh that i would like to see make it in :-) | |
| 11:43 | kf | there are some things our libraries have been asking for |
| 11:43 | I might take a look at those too | |
| 11:43 | there is always so much I woud like to do :( | |
| 11:43 | magnuse | 110 bugs found for Severity: enhancement, new feature + Status: Needs Signoff |
| 11:44 | only 23 "needs signoff" are bugfixes | |
| 11:45 | wow, i would have guessed that was ~50/50 or thereabouts | |
| 11:46 | kf | not currently |
| 11:46 | but lots of filed bugs remain... untouched | |
| 11:49 | magnuse | yeah, all bugs by severity and status: 940... http://bit.ly/1406oeA |
| 11:52 | hm, there might be things in there that are really enhs | |
| 11:55 | kf | and some evil bugs and regressions *sigh* |
| 11:57 | magnuse | of course ;-) |
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| 12:07 | ambz | Hi |
| 12:07 | wahanui | hey, ambz |
| 12:09 | ambz | I'm forking the codebase. Is it okay to use git://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha.git or git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git? Are they both in sync (or the same repository)> |
| 12:09 | ? | |
| 12:10 | magnuse | ambz: they should be in sync, but the one on koha-community.org is the official one |
| 12:10 | ambz | magnuse: thanks. |
| 12:11 | I'll use the github repo, since I'm more familiar with github (and it has a nice code browser and other features). | |
| 12:11 | magnuse | yeah, github is convenient :-) |
| 12:11 | ambz | Yeah I love github :) |
| 12:12 | * jcamins | just updated the Github repo to tell people it's a mirror. |
| 12:12 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
| 12:13 | Branches 2,521 - hehe | |
| 12:28 | @wunder boo | |
| 12:28 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (1:20 PM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:29 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 12:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (1:00 PM CET on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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| 12:34 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 12:36 | magnuse | hiya tcohen |
| 12:39 | tcohen | how r u doin magnuse |
| 12:40 | magnuse | doing good, starting to sink in that i'm going to marseille on sunday :-) |
| 12:40 | and yourself? | |
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| 12:43 | tcohen | hoping the day ends soon, so I can see DelPo beat Murray at IW |
| 12:43 | thinking of providing a quick patch for bug 960 also magnuse | |
| 12:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=960 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Link to member in circulation |
| 12:44 | tcohen | I meant bug 906 |
| 12:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , ISBN Check |
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| 12:46 | * magnuse | has no clue to what "DelPo beat Murray at IW" means ;-) |
| 12:46 | magnuse | ooh, that's a nice old bug to get rid of... |
| 12:47 | tcohen | oh, i tend to think everyone loved tennis magnuse, sorry |
| 12:49 | magnuse | tcohen: :-) |
| 12:55 | tcohen | should we enforce ISBN without dash? |
| 12:56 | jcamins | No. |
| 12:56 | There are conflicting standards. | |
| 13:00 | kf | morning jcamins :) |
| 13:00 | how do you feel? ready to push? :) | |
| 13:02 | tcohen | jcamins: what other symbols might I strip for IN calculation? |
| 13:02 | s/IN/ISBN/ | |
| 13:03 | kf | tcohen: not sure, but we have a module dealing with isbn - maybe that provides a check for validity already? |
| 13:03 | so you wouldn't have to figure it out yourself | |
| 13:03 | tcohen | i'll look for it |
| 13:03 | kf | isbn business or similar I think |
| 13:04 | i remember koha exploding when you forgot to add it :) | |
| 13:04 | i think it could be this: http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/[…]-2.05/lib/ISBN.pm | |
| 13:04 | tcohen | hmm, i thought it should be done at javascript level |
| 13:05 | kf | tcohen++ for working on long standing stuff :) |
| 13:05 | tcohen: maybe there are still some useful hints | |
| 13:07 | magnuse | yeah Business::ISBN is the one to look at |
| 13:09 | kf | or a regex you coud steal :) |
| 13:12 | slef | github is nasty :( |
| 13:12 | convenient but nasty | |
| 13:14 | ambz | slef: how is it nasty? |
| 13:19 | slef | ambz: its patch requests and issue tracker are incompatible with git, its source is secret, registration is required and they demand your full legal name to register as a user, on pain of nuking your changes. |
| 13:19 | pull requests, not patch requests, sorry. | |
| 13:20 | @wunder EGCL | |
| 13:20 | huginn | slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 8.2°C (1:16 PM GMT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:21 | slef | bbi60+ |
| 13:34 | ambz | slef: i haven't provided my full legal name on github... can they really nuke my commits? |
| 13:39 | jeff | sure. |
| 13:39 | > GitHub, in its sole discretion, has the right to suspend or terminate your account and refuse any and all current or future use of the Service, or any other GitHub service, for any reason at any time. | |
| 13:39 | this is common in many terms of service. | |
| 13:45 | ambz | wow |
| 13:46 | perhaps I should start reading tNc agreements before clicking on "I accept" | |
| 13:46 | :) | |
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| 15:02 | tcohen | anyone with a valid isbn13? |
| 15:02 | rambutan | @wunder bangkok |
| 15:03 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Sala Thammasop, Thawi Watthana, Thailand is 28.1°C (9:55 PM ICT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:03 | rambutan | @wunder pattaya |
| 15:03 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Jomtien, Jomtien, Thailand is 28.1°C (9:50 PM ICT on March 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:03 | tcohen | @wunder isbn13 |
| 15:03 | huginn | tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 15:03 | rambutan | isbn? |
| 15:04 | where are the bots? wahanui should have some response | |
| 15:05 | tcohen | isbn13? |
| 15:05 | rambutan | wahanui: marc? |
| 15:05 | wahanui | http://marc-must-die.info |
| 15:06 | rambutan | wahanui: isbn? |
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| 15:10 | kf | rambutan: he doesn't know all and everything |
| 15:10 | wahanui: isbn is the international standard book number | |
| 15:10 | isbn? | |
| 15:10 | wahanui | i guess isbn is the international standard book number |
| 15:12 | tcohen | wahanui: a valid isbn13 is 9784873113685 |
| 15:12 | wahanui | OK, tcohen. |
| 15:12 | tcohen | valid isbn13? |
| 15:12 | wahanui | valid isbn13 is, like, 9784873113685 |
| 15:12 | gmcharlt | so _that's_ why billg was in #koha that one day! |
| 15:12 | kf | gmcharlt: hm? |
| 15:13 | gmcharlt | (oops, nothing like responding to outdated scrollback; context was some joking about the karma value of 'windows') |
| 15:13 | kf | ah :) |
| 15:13 | happens to me too | |
| 15:21 | tcohen | btw |
| 15:21 | wahanui: a valid isbn10 is 291409891X | |
| 15:21 | wahanui | OK, tcohen. |
| 15:27 | rambutan | wahanui: coffee? |
| 15:27 | wahanui | well, coffee is mostly not Brooke's medicine |
| 15:34 | tcohen | isbn is 020 for MARC21, what about UNIMARC or NORMARC? |
| 15:34 | (020$a) | |
| 15:35 | kf | i know it's a different field, but I forget which |
| 15:35 | maybe 010 like mentioned in the bug? | |
| 15:35 | tcohen | 010 for UNIMARC |
| 15:35 | ? | |
| 15:35 | kf | not sure |
| 15:35 | magnuse | normarc = marc21 in that respect (phew) |
| 15:35 | kf | not using Unimarc |
| 15:39 | tcohen | do we have an OR in template::toolkit's IF ? |
| 15:40 | oleonard? | |
| 15:40 | wahanui | i guess oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 15:42 | jcamins | tcohen: [% ELSE %]? |
| 15:42 | slef | tcohen: I think we do but I may be confusing it with python. perldoc Template::Manual::Syntax looks like it might not |
| 15:42 | jcamins | Or do you mean || |
| 15:43 | tcohen | || exactly |
| 15:43 | slef | perldoc Template::Manual::Directives says yes |
| 15:43 | tcohen | will it work? |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Then, yes. |
| 15:43 | slef | perldoc Template::Manual::Directives says yes |
| 15:43 | jcamins | There is an or operator. |
| 15:43 | tcohen | [% IF ( marcflavour == 'MARC21' ) || ( marcflavour == 'NORMARC' ) %] |
| 15:43 | would be valid then | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | The parentheses should be around the entire thing not each term separately. |
| 15:44 | slef | Got a library commenting that <<biblio.title>> and <<biblio.author>> are blank in their DUE notices. Anyone seen that? |
| 15:45 | kf | are they filed in the database? |
| 15:45 | filled | |
| 15:45 | author is often empty when there is no 100 | |
| 15:45 | slef | kf: I'm trying to check that now |
| 15:45 | kf | but for example a corporate author instead in ... 110? |
| 15:46 | also, how are their notices formatted? DUE or DUEDGST? | |
| 15:48 | slef | DUE, I think. Bizarrely, I can't see anything in issues for the borrower named in the notice they've posted :-/ |
| 15:49 | kf | perhaps it's been given back by now? |
| 15:49 | slef | ah oops probably |
| 15:50 | checking old_issues | |
| 15:50 | tcohen | I need to get the contents of a field/subfield, do we have js for that already? |
| 15:50 | jcamins | tcohen: where? |
| 15:50 | the first question? | |
| 15:50 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 15:51 | tcohen | i want to read the isbn from the cataloguing form |
| 15:52 | slef | kf++ author is NULL... but why was title blank too? |
| 15:52 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 15:52 | Not easily, to my knowledge. | |
| 15:52 | tcohen | document.getElementById, how cna I calculate the id? |
| 15:52 | slef | tcohen: look at the id attribute |
| 15:52 | tcohen | tag_020_subfield_a_* |
| 15:52 | but * is just some random stuff | |
| 15:53 | jcamins | tcohen: it's entirely random. |
| 15:54 | tcohen | the ui manages to find the mandatory fields of the form, |
| 15:54 | so it shuold be do-able | |
| 15:55 | jcamins | I think that the mandatory fields may be marked as such in the markup. |
| 15:55 | However, my fingers are crossed that you are right. :) | |
| 15:56 | magnuse | slef: yes, i have DUE without the bibliographic details |
| 15:56 | slef | magnuse: any idea why? |
| 15:56 | wahanui | any idea why is this error message Server access denied |
| 15:56 | slef | wahanui: forget any idea why |
| 15:56 | wahanui | slef: I forgot any idea why |
| 15:57 | magnuse | slef: not sure. the one i checked i had both author and title in the db |
| 15:57 | tcohen | this doesn't look good |
| 15:57 | kf | slef: so title is there in the database? |
| 15:57 | wht does their template look like? | |
| 15:58 | slef | The following item is now due: |
| 15:58 | <<biblio.title>> by <<biblio.author>> | |
| 15:58 | (with bits before and after which are working) | |
| 15:58 | magnuse | slef: i was working on the assumption that it had something to do with the messages being sent from "Overdue notice/status triggers" and not from the enhanced messaging setup. i only fixed that properly today, so i will have to see if that affected things next time it is run |
| 15:59 | i have another library running off the same code where it works | |
| 15:59 | slef | magnuse: aha, I'll check if they've EnhancedMessaging on |
| 15:59 | magnuse | it's 3.8.10 |
| 15:59 | slef | this is 3.8.something |
| 16:00 | EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set | |
| 16:00 | magnuse | the only difference i have seen between the two setups is where the messages were triggered |
| 16:00 | but i have not checked the code to see if that backs up my theory | |
| 16:00 | slef | they're 3.08.03.000 as I think they can only upgrade on certain dates |
| 16:00 | magnuse | huh? :-) |
| 16:00 | @quote get 123 ? | |
| 16:00 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 16:00 | huginn | magnuse: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 16:01 | magnuse | @quote get 123 |
| 16:01 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 16:01 | huginn | magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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| 16:01 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:01 | slef | oh this is quite common with Big Sites... they define at-risk periods |
| 16:01 | magnuse | oh well, gotta run - see some of you on monday!! :-) |
| 16:02 | slef | bye magnuse :-/ |
| 16:02 | * slef | tries to find magnuse's bug report |
| 16:02 | christophe_c | see you monday magnuse ;-) good trip |
| 16:03 | slef | hrmph only found bug 4171 at first attempt |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4171 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , overduerules.pl needs an overhaul |
| 16:03 | slef | true but not quite what I was aiming for |
| 16:03 | jcamins | slef: I thought that was your bug? |
| 16:03 | slef | jcamins: which? :) |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Overhauling the overdue rules. |
| 16:04 | slef | jcamins: unsurprisingly, we may have a duplicate |
| 16:05 | jcamins: bug 9296 is mine but that's less radical | |
| 16:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Signed Off , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension |
| 16:11 | kf | slef: that's probably why yours has a patch ;) |
| 16:11 | jcamins | @later tell bag There is an article on the HBR blog about 100% virtual companies. |
| 16:11 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:12 | * slef | wonders how to make the enhancedmessaging setup work, or whether to punt this until magnuse reports back |
| 16:12 | kf | slef: can you check if the DUE ended up in notice triggers for overdues? |
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| 16:12 | kf | because it should not be there.. but with libraries you never know :) |
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| 16:12 | slef | kf: oooh good point |
| 16:13 | bwahahaahahaah | |
| 16:13 | kf++ again | |
| 16:13 | kf | lol - magnuse said that earlier - I think it only got lost :) |
| 16:14 | slef | yeah I got confused what he meant I think |
| 16:14 | magnuse++ too | |
| 16:14 | just in case it was me failing | |
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| 16:20 | jcamins | bgallagher: I just left your other nick a message about there being an article about virtual offices on the HBR blog. |
| 16:21 | bgallagher | Cool I will look for it thanks Jared |
| 16:23 | kf | hbr? |
| 16:24 | jcamins | Harvard Business Review. |
| 16:26 | rambutan | I want some virtual money to pay virtual companies for real, tangible products and services. |
| 16:27 | jcamins | BTC? |
| 16:27 | You can get VPS hosting with BTC. | |
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| 16:29 | jcamins | Sometimes you can even get cookies for BTC, but only if you know the right person. |
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| 16:38 | magnuse | slef: no bug report from me because my first hypothesis was that the missing data was caused by a faulty setup |
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| 16:40 | kf | jcamins: btc? |
| 16:41 | jcamins | Bitcoins. |
| 16:41 | slef | I know an online chocolate shop that takes BTC payment |
| 16:41 | jcamins | A proof-of-concept for a wholly virtual currency. |
| 16:43 | * jcamins | has 0.84 BTC. |
| 16:43 | has no idea what they're good for. | |
| 16:43 | kf | oh |
| 16:43 | where did you get them? | |
| 16:43 | drojf | isn't bitcoin basically getting some virtual currency for paying a lot of electricity? |
| 16:44 | jcamins | drojf: pretty much. |
| 16:44 | A friend gave them to me. | |
| 16:45 | drojf | but well, i think they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) |
| 16:46 | jcamins | drojf: very expensive. Almost $50. |
| 16:46 | In fact, 1BTC could pay for one pound of butter at Norwegian butter crisis prices. | |
| 16:46 | drojf | hahaha |
| 16:48 | jcamins | I can't get over the fact that a month-long butter shortage cost a country 43mil Euro. |
| 16:50 | drojf | yeah it's crazy |
| 16:50 | the craziest thing is that i did not go there with smuggled butter | |
| 16:50 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:51 | drojf | i could have exchanged a piece of butter for a bottle of beer :P |
| 16:51 | jcamins | drojf: a small piece of butter for a large beer! |
| 16:51 | drojf | exactly :D |
| 16:52 | magnuse | jcamins: where did you see that number? |
| 16:53 | jcamins | magnuse: Wikipedia. |
| 16:53 | magnuse | ah :-) |
| 16:54 | jcamins | magnuse: your country has become one of my preferred topics of conversation ever since I heard about the Norwegian butter crisis. |
| 16:54 | Way more interesting than the marmite shortage. | |
| 16:55 | magnuse | lol |
| 16:55 | better come visit us and do some first hand studies, then! :-) | |
| 16:55 | jcamins | :) |
| 16:56 | "This is the Norwegian in his natural habitat. Notice the packages of butter filling the refrigerator. Scientists speculate..." | |
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| 16:56 | magnuse | hehe |
| 16:56 | * magnuse | makes pizza |
| 16:57 | drojf | kitchen stories :P |
| 16:57 | magnuse | (without butter) |
| 16:57 | jcamins | Mmm. |
| 16:57 | Pizza. | |
| 16:57 | Now I want pizza. | |
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| 17:14 | kf | me too |
| 17:15 | tcohen | wording: is this ok? "The ISBN you introduced seems invalid. It that's how it appears on your item then put it on <field>$z" |
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| 17:16 | tcohen | valid isbn13? |
| 17:16 | wahanui | it has been said that valid isbn13 is 9784873113685 |
| 17:18 | tcohen | an english speaker please? |
| 17:23 | rambutan | The ISBN you entered seems invalid. |
| 17:23 | tcohen | and the rest? |
| 17:23 | wahanui | i guess the rest is just distraction |
| 17:23 | rambutan | If that's how it appears on your item then put it in <field>$z |
| 17:24 | tcohen | (of course <field> matches MARC21/NORMARC and UNIMARC corresponding fields) |
| 17:25 | thanks rambutan | |
| 17:25 | kf | :) |
| 17:26 | rambutan | np |
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| 17:34 | jcamins | Wow. The authority functionality in 3.10 really is lightyears ahead of 3.6's. |
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| 18:15 | tcohen | quick poll: on cataloguing, if the ISBN is found invalid, should we enforce the use of $z to put it there? should it be syspref controlled? |
| 18:16 | jcamins | tcohen: syspref controlled, and how about: "The ISBN you entered seems invalid. If you entered it exactly as it appears on the item, put it in 020$z." |
| 18:17 | tcohen | i'll bake cookies for you if you propose a name for the syspref |
| 18:17 | jcamins | tcohen: ooooh. |
| 18:17 | tcohen | maube pizza |
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| 18:18 | jcamins | RequireValidISBN in the Cataloging tab? |
| 18:18 | cait | tcohen: hm could it be a catalouging plugin too? |
| 18:19 | tcohen | elaborate cait |
| 18:19 | cait | I was just thinking that might be the usual way of dealing with things like that |
| 18:19 | plugins are little perl scripts that are linked to a field, that way you can do it by framework | |
| 18:19 | but I also like the pref idea and name :) | |
| 18:20 | bgallagher | Hey cait getting ready to board my plane - I'm on my way towards you all! I'm excited ! |
| 18:20 | jcamins | cait: I'm not sure it could be for this, since the plugins aren't triggered on validation. |
| 18:20 | cait | bgallagher: excited too!! |
| 18:20 | have a safe trip! | |
| 18:20 | jcamins: I believe you - but can oyu explain a bit? | |
| 18:21 | triggered on validation? | |
| 18:21 | jcamins | cait: the plugins can be triggered when you click a field, but they can't be triggered to check that a field is good before saving. |
| 18:21 | I think. | |
| 18:21 | cait | hm but we do that |
| 18:21 | well | |
| 18:21 | at least it triggers for mandatory fields when they are empty | |
| 18:22 | so that is probably different | |
| 18:22 | jcamins | Right. But making ISBN mandatory would be bad. |
| 18:22 | cait | bgallagher: cya on sunday :) |
| 18:22 | tcohen | ciat, jcamins http://pegarlo.es/ky |
| 18:22 | uff, my typing skills... obviously its friday | |
| 18:23 | jcamins | tcohen: my suggested wording is a little more idiomatic, but it looks good to me generally. |
| 18:24 | tcohen | i've already fixed the wording as you suggested |
| 18:25 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 18:25 | tcohen++ | |
| 18:25 | tcohen | was an old screenshot |
| 18:27 | cait | bug 9755 |
| 18:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9755 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Record merge code needs to be refactored |
| 18:27 | tcohen | cait, mandatory fields are handled in javascript, with data fetched from addbiblio.pl on load time |
| 18:28 | cait | tcohen: um ok :) |
| 18:28 | brain tired | |
| 18:28 | tcohen | i've just noticed because hacking those files last hours |
| 18:30 | cait | bug 9370 |
| 18:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9370 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , use Library::CallNumber::LC when splitting LC call numbers for spine labels |
| 18:38 | tcohen | sysprefs? |
| 18:38 | wahanui | sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage |
| 18:38 | tcohen | yes, but where on the wiki wahanui? |
| 18:38 | jcamins | system preferences? |
| 18:38 | wahanui | system preferences is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences |
| 18:42 | tcohen | should it go under "Record structure" jcamins? |
| 18:43 | jcamins | tcohen: Yes. |
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| 19:17 | tcohen | valid isbn10 |
| 19:17 | wahanui | valid isbn10 is 291409891X |
| 19:17 | tcohen | valid isbn13 |
| 19:17 | wahanui | valid isbn13 is probably 9784873113685 |
| 19:25 | tcohen | bug 906 |
| 19:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , ISBN Check |
| 19:28 | cait | tcohen: maybe assign the bug to yourself? |
| 19:28 | :) | |
| 19:28 | tcohen | oh, u want me to take full responsability for it? |
| 19:28 | :-P | |
| 19:34 | oh, i thought it was the oldest standing bug, but it appears that bug 900 is 7 days older | |
| 19:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=900 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unimarc Authorities |
| 19:35 | tcohen | bye #koha, have a nice weekend |
| 20:24 | jcamins | Oh, interesting. |
| 20:24 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 20:25 | jcamins | Upgrading to 3.10 from 3.6 broke the maximum limit on fixed fields. |
| 20:26 | Probably not a feature. | |
| 20:47 | * jcamins | contemplates this fore edge painting by Titian's cousin and assistant, considers the fact that it's pretty much the high point to his week, cataloging-wise, and decides to end on that triumphal note. |
| 20:47 | jcamins | (yes, I know, I just cataloged a book with a fore edge painting by Titian's cousin!) |
| 20:54 | Okay, #koha. | |
| 20:55 | You have been warned again of the impending feature slush. | |
| 20:55 | You have three hours. | |
| 20:56 | Bug 9820 is annoying. | |
| 20:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT) |
| 20:57 | * gmcharlt | looks |
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| 21:02 | jcamins | bgkriegel++ |
| 21:03 | So long, #koha. | |
| 21:04 | tcohen | what should I rise bgkriegel's karma for? |
| 21:08 | maximep | hey, it's getting late to ask this, but i'm wondering how you guys do something and if it would be a cool feature |
| 21:09 | if you land something like an ipad that needs to be recharged | |
| 21:09 | having a period for a document type where the item isn't available | |
| 21:11 | would that be interesting for anyone ? | |
| 21:12 | tcohen | as a spanish speaking person I didn't understand what you are proposing |
| 21:12 | maximep | as a french speaker, sometimes I'm not explaining myself clearly :p |
| 21:13 | gmcharlt | @later tell jcamins easy peasy, I'll have a patch for 9820 posted shortly |
| 21:13 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:13 | tcohen | (my intention was to blame my english) |
| 21:13 | maximep | =) |
| 21:14 | let's try again | |
| 21:14 | be able to have an item type like "eletronics" where you can add a time between checkouts | |
| 21:15 | so when you the user checks in an ipad, it can't be lent for a period | |
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| 21:18 | tcohen | hmm, an embargo period (sort of) |
| 21:18 | maximep | embargo is a weird word for it lol |
| 21:18 | but i guess | |
| 21:19 | tcohen | terminology borrowed from DSpace |
| 21:20 | most of our libraries do that with books, to check them being broken and such | |
| 21:21 | didn't thought of it, the idea is making the users aware through koha that the item is not yet available | |
| 21:21 | right? | |
| 21:21 | maximep | exact |
| 21:25 | * tcohen | is thinking what patch can he write before jcamins deadline |
| 21:25 | tcohen | maybe a Zebra indexer daemon? |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | maximep: tcohen: a shelving internval? |
| 21:27 | or rather, reshelving internval? | |
| 21:28 | tcohen | yes gmcharlt, the right idiomatic expression didn't come out :-D |
| 21:28 | maximep | gmcharlt: yes! great term for it |
| 21:30 | oh, evergreen seems to have something like that | |
| 21:30 | "Ability for returned items to take on a current location of 'reshelving' for a library specified period of time before they revert to their destination location/collection" | |
| 21:31 | I didn't know there was a "Open Source ILS Feature Comparison Tool" comparing koha and evergreen o_O | |
| 21:31 | gmcharlt | yeah, there's a cronjob that handles updating the status from reshelving to available based on the specified interval |
| 21:31 | yep, it's something LBA and crew put together | |
| 21:38 | maximep | hmmm http://features.galecia.com/fe[…]reshelving-status |
| 21:38 | it says koha has it | |
| 21:40 | gmcharlt | maximep: use - see http://manual.koha-community.o[…]inglocations.html |
| 21:42 | maximep | hmmm interesting |
| 21:42 | wahanui | it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 21:43 | maximep | thanks for the link, will look more at it |
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| 21:55 | druthb | o/ |
| 22:02 | * druthb | tries again. |
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| 22:51 | jcamins | gmcharlt++ |
| 23:07 | What is the point of having people copy and paste a random "verification" string when registering an account? | |
| 23:12 | gmcharlt | jcamins: a captcha? |
| 23:12 | wahanui | a captcha is bad. I'm "normal" and I can't get it half the time, must be so frustrating for differently abled people. |
| 23:14 | jcamins | gmcharlt: Yeah, but... what possible value does it provide? |
| 23:14 | I mean, it's not like librarians are aware that someone tried to create an account. | |
| 23:15 | And it's so stupidly easy to break if someone wants to automate account creation that it provides no deterrent. | |
| 23:16 | gmcharlt | well, they might be if the feature got fleshed out a bit -- presumably many would still have to verify identify / residence of the patron for them to actual exercise privileges |
| 23:16 | jcamins | I think I read an article about how the "difficult" captchas are now more likely to cause problems for people than bots. |
| 23:16 | gmcharlt | I'm not saying that the captcha itself is a good idea, but I wouldn't ununderetimate the desire of spammers / bored kills to play games |
| 23:17 | jcamins | Oh, I don't, I just don't see how this captcha helps. |
| 23:17 | Obviously I don't particularly object, or I wouldn't have pushed the code in the first place. | |
| 23:20 | You know, I have equivocated on bug 9690 long enough. I am pushing it. | |
| 23:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace YUI buttons on the catalog search results page with Bootstrap |
| 23:32 | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9436' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bb6a99a3e47d9908f> / Bug 9436 [Revised] Use DataTables on cities administration page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3b39bd8775b1731b8> / Merge branch 'bug_9466' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]git;a=commitdiff; | |
| 23:34 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1076 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1073 3 days 23 hr ago) |
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