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| 01:20 | nvo joined #koha | |
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| 03:15 | wizzyrea | wow that was the slowest IRC day ever |
| 03:16 | rangi | heh |
| 03:16 | wizzyrea | probably typical for a monday |
| 03:16 | rangi | yup |
| 03:19 | eythian | wahanui: monkey is http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I |
| 03:19 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 03:24 | * ibeardslee | throws some P into the channel to speed it up |
| 03:25 | nvo | Hello - just jumped on to ask a question if possible re: searching inconsistencies we're experiencing... |
| 03:25 | Not sure what the time is for everyone - it's just after 11am here :-) | |
| 03:25 | wizzyrea | anytime is the right time ;) |
| 03:25 | nvo | :-D Fantastic |
| 03:26 | We upgraded to 3.10.1 a few weeks back - loving the new version | |
| 03:26 | But there's a weird issue with searching | |
| 03:26 | it seems like the more precise one is with one's search query, the less likely one is to get results. | |
| 03:27 | For example, searching for "five views" ( http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/c[…]idx=&q=five+views ) returns 4 results, including one for the book title "five views on sanctification". However, searching for "five views sanctification" ( http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/c[…]ews+sanctifcation ) returns a no r | |
| 03:27 | ...a no results found page. Similar issues occur when searching on part of a title and author. | |
| 03:27 | Very confused about this! | |
| 03:28 | jcamins | My initial response is that the problem is the typo. |
| 03:28 | nvo | :-) |
| 03:28 | My fault that - but this is a problem that's been tried and tried with numerous examples by our librarians. | |
| 03:28 | jcamins | However, as it's taking me ages to load the pages, I can't actually confirm. |
| 03:29 | Whoah! | |
| 03:29 | Nice catalog! | |
| 03:29 | nvo | Typo fixed: http://library.pbc.wa.edu.au/c[…]ws+sanctification |
| 03:29 | :-) Thanks! | |
| 03:30 | Yeah - we're on quite a slow connection here :-( Fastest available, unfortuantely | |
| 03:30 | jcamins | What are your sysprefs set to in the Search page? |
| 03:30 | I especially like the buttons. | |
| 03:31 | Very tasteful, for something that bold. | |
| 03:31 | nvo | :-) Been slowly migrating to FontAwesome for the icons - makes it look a bit better ;-P |
| 03:31 | Checing the sysprefs now | |
| 03:32 | jcamins | Whoah! That's exactly what I needed! |
| 03:32 | nvo | :-) |
| 03:32 | jcamins | (Font Awesome) |
| 03:32 | nvo | Very cool, it is |
| 03:33 | Any particular syspref? | |
| 03:33 | under searching, that is? | |
| 03:34 | cjh | that is a really pretty catalog, the blue is so awesome. |
| 03:34 | jcamins | There are three Query... sysprefs. |
| 03:34 | I'm not actually working on Koha at the moment, so I don't have it open to check. | |
| 03:35 | nvo | QueryAutoTruncate - only if * is added |
| 03:35 | QueryFuzzy and QuerryStemming : don't try | |
| 03:35 | QueryWeightFields : enable | |
| 03:36 | jcamins | Okay, all of those sound right. |
| 03:36 | But try disabling QueryWeightFields for a test. | |
| 03:37 | nvo | nope - doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 03:37 | wait - actually it does | |
| 03:38 | jcamins | Odd. |
| 03:38 | nvo | now, the search on "Five views" brings up just 2 results, whereas before it brought up 4 |
| 03:38 | jcamins | *Disabling* QueryWeightFields? |
| 03:38 | nvo | Yep. |
| 03:38 | jcamins | ... |
| 03:38 | nvo | Just re-enabled it, and searched again - 4 records found |
| 03:39 | jcamins | That is very weird. |
| 03:39 | But at least we know what the problem is. | |
| 03:39 | wizzyrea | is it actually quoted? |
| 03:39 | nvo | disabled again, 2 found |
| 03:39 | as in "Five views" ? no | |
| 03:40 | wizzyrea | k just curious |
| 03:40 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no, this is another site where the "any" index does not exist. |
| 03:40 | How that is possible I do not know. | |
| 03:40 | nvo | Is it possible to add the "any" index in? |
| 03:41 | jcamins | nvo: unfortunately, I don't even know how it's possible to not have it... the last time I patched DOM indexing, it worked. |
| 03:41 | * wizzyrea | wonders if this site has a support vendor |
| 03:42 | nvo | hmmmm... strange |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | and if they installed a specific version |
| 03:42 | nvo | and no, don't have a support vendor, unfortunately |
| 03:42 | we were running on 3.4 until recently - working fine until the upgrade to 3.10 | |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | what version did you install when you first installed koha |
| 03:42 | nvo | could it be that that caused it |
| 03:42 | jcamins | nvo: how di you upgrade? |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | oh hm |
| 03:42 | nvo | Started off with 3.2 |
| 03:42 | jcamins | *did |
| 03:42 | nvo | then upgraded to 3.4 (I think) |
| 03:42 | then 3.10.1 | |
| 03:43 | upgraded using the perl method | |
| 03:43 | jcamins | So you ran Makefile.PL, followed by make, followed by make install? |
| 03:43 | nvo | That's right |
| 03:43 | wahanui | I know. |
| 03:43 | jcamins | And when running Makefile.PL you just hit enter ~5 times, accepting all the defaults, right? |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | jcamins: you have seen this before? |
| 03:43 | jcamins | wizzyrea: never. |
| 03:44 | But PTFS-Europe keeps on submitting dubious patches to fix this issue for one field at a time. | |
| 03:44 | Well, two patches. | |
| 03:44 | nvo | pointed it to the settongs saved at the initial install |
| 03:44 | jcamins | nvo: right, but it should have asked an additional three questions? |
| 03:44 | nvo | But yeah - just accepted the defaults for everything it asked |
| 03:45 | jcamins | And then you did a full reindex? |
| 03:45 | nvo | Yep |
| 03:45 | jcamins | Did you use -x? |
| 03:45 | nvo | Actually, I've done that a couple of times since as well - grasping at straws! |
| 03:45 | Nope, didn't try -x | |
| 03:45 | shall I try that now? | |
| 03:45 | jcamins | I'd like to know if that fixes the problem. |
| 03:46 | I'm not sure if I expect it to or not, but it's definitely worth a try. | |
| 03:46 | nvo | Running a re-index now |
| 03:46 | [Will take a few minutes! :-)] | |
| 03:47 | eythian | nvo: are you going to that library conference thing in Perth later this week? |
| 03:47 | nvo | Library conference thing in Perth later this week?? Haven't heard about it! ??? |
| 03:47 | eythian | hmm, let me see if I can find something |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | PLWA? |
| 03:48 | eythian | http://www.publiclibrarieswa.o[…]t-events&Itemid=8 <-- yeah this |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | https://plwa.wordpress.com/ |
| 03:48 | eythian | though perhaps not so relevant |
| 03:48 | being public specifically) | |
| 03:49 | nvo | Looks interesting though.... |
| 03:49 | Might pass it on to our library staff to see if they might be interested | |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | what kind of library are you running? |
| 03:49 | nvo | It's a theological college / seminary library. So, tertiary education library |
| 03:49 | Quite small - just over 20 000 records | |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | cool |
| 03:50 | oh then it'll be done indexing in more-or-less a snap :) | |
| 03:50 | nvo | Done the export stage, reindexing now! |
| 03:51 | jcamins | Yeah, see, I have a well-populated any index. |
| 03:51 | Wait... | |
| 03:51 | I just had an idea. | |
| 03:51 | It's an insane idea. | |
| 03:51 | nvo | I like insane ideas.... |
| 03:52 | * jcamins | tries something silly. |
| 03:52 | jcamins | Or, I will once it finishes reindexing. |
| 03:53 | wizzyrea | it's jcamins and his carayzeeeee ideas |
| 03:54 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no, really... this one is nuts. |
| 03:54 | wizzyrea | are you going to share? |
| 03:54 | jcamins | I am preparing to blame the problem on a capitalization issue in upgraded configuration files. |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 03:55 | jcamins | We'll see if I'm right. |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | that's nowhere near crazy |
| 03:55 | nvo | welll - this is strange |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | it's kind of brilliant |
| 03:55 | nvo | the reindex just finished |
| 03:55 | and now the search results are working a bit better | |
| 03:55 | As in, they're working.... | |
| 03:55 | jcamins | ... or maybe it's just that we should always reindex with XML. |
| 03:55 | nvo | somehow, the -x did something |
| 03:56 | (I know, XML :-) ) | |
| 03:56 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 03:56 | jcamins | Actually, though, I suspect a problem with the capitalization anyway. |
| 03:56 | nvo | any way to check that? |
| 03:56 | wizzyrea | well it could be that there's a capitalisation issue that stops it working without -x? |
| 03:57 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that's what I'm thinking. |
| 03:58 | * jcamins | curses Facebook. |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | curses it? |
| 03:59 | eythian | everyone who's anyone is on google plus these days anyway. |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | kek. |
| 03:59 | it's true | |
| 03:59 | wahanui | I read it on the internet! |
| 04:00 | jcamins | Oh, looks like kf has the same problem. |
| 04:00 | eythian | wahanui: google plus is at https://plus.google.com/commun[…]01839510288716136 |
| 04:00 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 04:00 | jcamins | If I remember, I'll tell her to try my capitalization test. |
| 04:00 | Irma left #koha | |
| 04:01 | jcamins | Or I could just ask her for the results of zebra::index |
| 04:01 | eythian | wahanui: @random |
| 04:01 | wahanui | eythian: i'm not following you... |
| 04:01 | eythian | wahanui: random |
| 04:01 | wahanui | eythian: sorry... |
| 04:01 | eythian | hmm |
| 04:01 | needs a plugin to just spit out a random factoid. | |
| 04:02 | nvo | Thanks so much guys - at least the -x patches the problem for now! |
| 04:02 | wizzyrea | would be cool if he'd answer with a random one if you said "wahanui is so random" |
| 04:03 | or anytime he sees the word "random" *giggles madly* | |
| 04:06 | I haven't looked at g+ in a while :/ | |
| 04:06 | nvo | As thanks: @random - Your middle fingernail grows the fastest. Did you know that longer the finger, the faster it’s nail will grow. For the same reason, the fingernails grow about four times as fast as toenails. |
| 04:11 | eythian | wahanui: nvo is maybe a bot, too. |
| 04:11 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 04:12 | eythian | wahanui: germs |
| 04:12 | wahanui | somebody said germs was http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 04:12 | eythian | wahanui: germs |
| 04:12 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 04:13 | nvo | nope - not a bot :-) Just a very thankful and happy koha user :-) |
| 04:16 | eythian | monkey? |
| 04:16 | wahanui | rumour has it monkey is http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I |
| 04:16 | eythian | teehee |
| 04:19 | * dcook | always finds it interesting when people use light year to refer to time rather than distance... |
| 04:20 | eythian | also parsecs. |
| 04:21 | MONKEY! | |
| 04:21 | aww | |
| 04:21 | wahanui: you let me down :( | |
| 04:21 | wahanui | eythian: sorry... |
| 04:21 | cjh | monkey |
| 04:21 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:24 | wizzyrea | monkey? |
| 04:24 | wahanui | somebody said monkey was http://youtu.be/VTO5yiN1b-I |
| 04:27 | eythian | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run <-- oh hey, the quote from Star Wars is actually not gibberish after all. Either that, or they're _really_ good at retconning. |
| 04:29 | dcook | Hmm. I'm going with the latter :p |
| 04:30 | * jcamins | agrees with dcook. |
| 04:32 | * dcook | also finds it "interesting" how LoC has RDA records but doesn't seem to display or index the added RDA fields. |
| 04:32 | dcook | If only they would tell everyone not to bother with it... |
| 04:33 | Not that I want to get into "that" discussion. Just venting :p | |
| 04:34 | jcamins | Yay! My bookmarks work-ish! |
| 04:34 | * jcamins | finishes on a high note and heads to bed. |
| 04:35 | dcook | night, jcamins |
| 04:36 | Oh ho ho! | |
| 04:37 | LoC does show RDA tags on the full record view. Just not the brief.. | |
| 04:37 | * dcook | sighs |
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| 06:12 | vkm | hello all |
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| 06:14 | vkm1 | Unicode flavour is necessary if we want to enter data in Indian languages? |
| 06:15 | wizzyrea | you mean unimarc? |
| 06:16 | * wizzyrea | is not an encoding specialist, but it shouldn't matter which marc flavour you use, only which character encoding, and the two (as I understand it) aren't necessarily related. |
| 06:16 | wizzyrea | someone else can correct me if I'm wrong about that |
| 06:20 | cjh | wizzyrea++ |
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| 06:22 | alohabot | Hi mib_csz7xb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 06:22 | mib_csz7xb | Unicode flavour is necessary if we want to enter data in Indian languages? |
| 06:22 | wahanui | i already had it that way, mib_csz7xb. |
| 06:23 | mib_csz7xb | what is basic difference between MARC flavour and Unicode |
| 06:24 | wizzyrea | they aren't related, as far as I know |
| 06:24 | * wizzyrea | is not an encoding specialist, but it shouldn't matter which marc flavour you use, only which character encoding, and the two (as I understand it) aren't necessarily related. |
| 06:24 | mib_csz7xb | when to use Marc and Unicode |
| 06:24 | wizzyrea | unicode is a character encoding, unimarc is a marc standard |
| 06:25 | (unimarc is usually used in France/Europe) | |
| 06:25 | (most places just use MARC21) | |
| 06:27 | mib_csz7xb | means i can use Marc21 for mine indian languages also like Hindi etc http://libcat.mysore-univ.org/[…]0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE+ |
| 06:28 | wizzyrea | yes, any flavour of marc works with unicode. |
| 06:28 | they are unrelated, afaik | |
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| 06:37 | alohabot | Hi mib_csz7xb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 06:37 | mib_csz7xb | is there anyway for feeding data in regional languages while cataloguing like we use google transliteration in OPAC |
| 06:39 | wizzyrea | I don't have an answer to that question - you might have better luck with that on the list |
| 06:39 | mailing lists? | |
| 06:39 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 06:39 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 06:40 | wizzyrea | hi cait :) |
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| 07:05 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:05 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 04, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:14 | wizzyrea | @wunder nzwn |
| 07:14 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 04, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:15 | wizzyrea | so funny how it gets cool so fast here. |
| 07:15 | cait | -3! :) |
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| 07:35 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:37 | cait | hi marcelr |
| 07:37 | rangi | hi marcelr |
| 07:37 | marcelr | hi cait rangi |
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| 07:44 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:47 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:47 | alles gute zum geburtstag cait ! | |
| 07:47 | cait | gaetan_B: thank you :) |
| 07:48 | was on saturday :) | |
| 07:48 | bbl! | |
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| 07:52 | jajm | hello |
| 07:52 | wahanui | hola, jajm |
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| 08:23 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 08:37 | kf | hey Koha |
| 08:48 | slef | hi kf |
| 08:50 | kf | hi slef |
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| 09:34 | wizzyrea | mornin europe |
| 09:34 | kf | morning wizzyrea |
| 09:34 | didn't you plan an early night? :) | |
| 09:35 | wizzyrea | it's stiill kinda sorta early |
| 09:35 | * wizzyrea | is going soon |
| 09:37 | kf | that's what I always say too... |
| 09:40 | Joubu++ #bug 5343 | |
| 09:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5343 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Subscription cost (Link serial and acqui modules) |
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| 12:52 | Herwig | I started a staged import 2 hours ago still at 0 % how do i know he still is importing ? |
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| 13:00 | oleonard | Oh good, it's still kf's birthday? Then I'm not too late to say Happy Birthday kf! |
| 13:02 | tcohen | yeah, happy birthday+2 kf |
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| 13:25 | kf | oleonard: quite a long birthday yes :) |
| 13:25 | oleonard: was saturday - thank you :) | |
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| 13:31 | Herwig | happy birthd :) |
| 13:31 | kf | thx Herwig |
| 13:32 | Herwig: how big was the file you were staging? | |
| 13:39 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 13 March 2013 at 18:00 UTC | |
| 13:39 | * oleonard | clears away the rest of the birthday cake |
| 13:39 | kf | oooh |
| 13:39 | :) | |
| 13:40 | hm looks like we still need an RM? | |
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| 13:41 | oleonard | 18 UTC is a terrible time to include Marseille Hackfest people who are going to be out wandering the city in search of dinner at that time |
| 13:42 | kf | hm that's a week to early |
| 13:42 | oleonard: marseille is the week after | |
| 13:42 | but I will be at library conf... so no guarantee I will be around | |
| 13:42 | oleonard | Oh you're right |
| 13:42 | kf | but not totally unlikely... with smartphone, tablet and co :) |
| 13:45 | Herwig | sorry ehm about 40000 records |
| 13:45 | kf | hm |
| 13:45 | that might be too big for staged import, but not sure | |
| 13:45 | Herwig | i had one like that before |
| 13:45 | kf | but it would certainly take a longer while |
| 13:45 | Herwig | did work |
| 13:46 | kf | cool |
| 13:46 | Herwig | the old one not the new one lol |
| 13:46 | kf | maybe just wait then, I think the process bar was broken for a while |
| 13:46 | Herwig | ok |
| 13:46 | got a backup made before i started :OP | |
| 13:47 | * kf | wonders if drofj is at the inetbib conf |
| 13:47 | kf | Herwig: always a good plan :) |
| 13:47 | there is also the option to do staged marc import from the command line | |
| 13:47 | we use that a lot | |
| 13:47 | Herwig | how ? |
| 13:47 | kf | there are scripts in... misc |
| 13:47 | somewhere | |
| 13:47 | there is one for stage and one for committing the import | |
| 13:48 | we use that a lot for our nightly imports from the union catalog | |
| 13:48 | it shows up normally in the interface later and you can undo and all that | |
| 13:48 | Herwig | searching it |
| 13:50 | kf | sorry, I got no time to find them for you right now - but quite sure it's misc and somewhere there |
| 13:51 | Herwig | np i'm searching |
| 13:55 | bulkmarcimport.pl this one ? | |
| 14:00 | kf | that works too - but I meant something else |
| 14:00 | one moment | |
| 14:01 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]55f905bd59afc82ce | |
| 14:01 | stage_file.pl | |
| 14:02 | commit_file.pl | |
| 14:02 | Herwig | ok |
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| 14:30 | tcohen | what do u think of using the tuple (name,authval) as an ID for SQL report parameters? |
| 14:31 | i'm about to rethink bug 9634 | |
| 14:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports |
| 14:31 | tcohen | we currently match parameter / slot in order |
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| 15:26 | saa | in koha 3.10.3 though budget/funds are defined it gives a message "You can't create any orders unless you first define a budget and a fund" can some one help to sort this error |
| 15:31 | kf | saa: make sure the funds are accessible for the library you are logged in at |
| 15:32 | saa | yes it is accessible |
| 15:32 | is there a bug in 3.10.3 | |
| 15:32 | i just found this http://koha-patches.988968.n3.[…]rt-td3449193.html | |
| 15:37 | oleonard | saa: That bug is marked as fixed since version 3.6, so it seems more likely it is another issue |
| 15:37 | jcamins | saa: you need to log in as a real user. |
| 15:38 | Not the database user. | |
| 15:43 | saa | tried again from scrath but still getting a message "You can't create any orders unless you first define a budget and a fund". |
| 15:44 | though have created fund, budget | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | What user are you logged in as? |
| 15:44 | saa | kohaadmin |
| 15:44 | wahanui | somebody said kohaadmin was the db user |
| 15:45 | oleonard | saa: You must not use the 'kohaadmin' user for regular use. Create a patron and give it superlibrarian privileges. Use that account to administer Koha |
| 15:46 | Doesn't Koha 3.10.3 have a big alert about that? | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | It does, yes. |
| 15:48 | kf | saa: also delete the funds and budgets you created with it. |
| 15:48 | it's safer | |
| 15:49 | saa | ok solved |
| 15:49 | tcohen | great! |
| 15:49 | saa | i needed to create a user account and then continue |
| 15:49 | earlier versions it was nt the case | |
| 15:50 | kf | it was always in the manual |
| 15:51 | only some modules are more likely to fail when you don't follow that advice than others | |
| 15:53 | saa | hmm |
| 15:57 | oleonard | saa: When you first logged in, did you see a big yellow message that said "Warning: You're logged in with the database administrator account. This a bad idea, and you are likely to encounter problems." ? |
| 15:57 | saa | oh yes i saw |
| 15:58 | but i ignored that and thought let me check all modules with kohaadmin account | |
| 15:59 | oleonard | saa: I would advise you to obey all warnings in the future. They are there for a reason. |
| 16:00 | * kf | nods |
| 16:00 | saa | yes |
| 16:05 | tcohen | do the svc REST API manage patrons? |
| 16:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:05 | kf | tcohen: I think it's more about cataloguing |
| 16:05 | right now | |
| 16:05 | wahanui | rumour has it right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works |
| 16:06 | jcamins | tcohen: I think you just volunteered to implement that. :P |
| 16:07 | tcohen | :-P |
| 16:07 | always the same with u guuuuuys | |
| 16:09 | http://search.cpan.org/dist/Squatting/ ? | |
| 16:10 | jcamins | tcohen: ? |
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| 16:10 | tcohen | RESTfull framework for perl? |
| 16:10 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 16:12 | tcohen: it would be better to find one that works with Plack... it looks like that requires another server to be running. | |
| 16:14 | tcohen | jcamins, what is Plack exactly? |
| 16:14 | jcamins | tcohen: I don't know, exactly. |
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| 16:15 | tcohen | looks like an application server |
| 16:15 | jcamins | It's a fastcgi/server-like thing. |
| 16:15 | tcohen | for Perl |
| 16:15 | which can be used with Apache as a front-end | |
| 16:15 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:15 | Or nginx, which is what I use. | |
| 16:15 | tcohen | Squatting has Plack support |
| 16:15 | kf | oleonard: I was wondering... I filed 2 bugs tis mornign while looking at bootstrap things |
| 16:15 | tcohen | through PSGI |
| 16:15 | kf | oleonard: and not sure if one of my bugs is not a bug |
| 16:15 | jcamins | tcohen: oh, okay. |
| 16:16 | kf | oleonard: and maybe if it falls in your area of expertise |
| 16:16 | jcamins | I don't suppose it's packaged for Debian? |
| 16:16 | oleonard | kf: I saw the one about the search box on the add item screen |
| 16:16 | kf | ah |
| 16:16 | that was the one - was that on purpose? I was not sure thinking about it later | |
| 16:17 | oleonard | It was designed that way originally. The add biblio and add item screens were meant to be more "focused" than others |
| 16:17 | kf | aah ok |
| 16:17 | oleonard | I'm not sure it's really useful |
| 16:17 | kf | no problem with that |
| 16:17 | hm | |
| 16:18 | it looked wrong at first glance... later I had the thought it might have been on purpose | |
| 16:18 | feel free to close with a "it's by design" :) | |
| 16:29 | bye all | |
| 16:29 | kf left #koha | |
| 16:46 | tcohen | jcamins, found a simpler one, dancer |
| 16:47 | which happens to be packaged in 12.04 | |
| 16:52 | jcamins | tcohen: rangi used dancer for the dashboard. |
| 16:52 | tcohen | is it possible to run it under CGI? |
| 16:52 | jcamins | I don't know. |
| 16:52 | tcohen | np |
| 16:52 | jcamins | That was about all I knew about Dancer. |
| 16:52 | :P | |
| 16:52 | tcohen | heh |
| 16:53 | i'll let u know what i get with my experiment | |
| 16:53 | looks like implementing the REST patrons webservice is kind-of trivial with dancer | |
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| 17:25 | tcohen | @later tell druthb I need to ask u smth about Dancer |
| 17:25 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:10 | bgallagher | Hello |
| 18:10 | wahanui | hey, bgallagher |
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| 18:57 | tcohen | we should rewrite Koha using Mojolicious |
| 18:57 | :-P | |
| 18:58 | jcamins | tcohen: one thing at a time. |
| 18:58 | tcohen | and this time i'm not volunteering :-P |
| 18:59 | i knew i should have finished reading modern perl a while ago | |
| 19:01 | libsysguy | mojo is a sticky trap |
| 19:01 | imho | |
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| 19:02 | tcohen | once u stick with a framework of this size, is not easy to leave it |
| 19:03 | jcamins | tcohen: not if your code is good. |
| 19:03 | If your code is good, frameworks are interchangeable. | |
| 19:03 | tcohen | so, we first have a fully OO set of libs |
| 19:05 | bye #koha, see u tomorrow | |
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| 19:12 | libsysguy | yes, perhaps Moo objects would be helpful |
| 19:13 | that way when you move to persistence you can use Moose without an issue | |
| 19:13 | well…too much of an issue | |
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| 19:34 | kathryn | morning! :) |
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| 19:57 | * magnuse | likes dancer |
| 19:58 | libsysguy | I think there are pros and cons to all of them |
| 19:59 | dancer is so lightweight and easy to prototype stuff | |
| 19:59 | magnuse | yup |
| 19:59 | libsysguy | mojo has the ability to be light but also robust, the issue is, everything is written from scratch. Which can be good…but also very bad |
| 19:59 | magnuse | hehe |
| 19:59 | libsysguy | and catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts |
| 20:00 | magnuse | yeah, it seems way too big and difficult to get an overview of |
| 20:00 | libsysguy | the deps for catalyst are around 80M iirc |
| 20:00 | I'm working on an app in it. The nice thing about it is almost anything you need is already built | |
| 20:00 | the bad thing is the dependency radius | |
| 20:01 | people complain about it using Moose but I actually advocate for Moose if you are using persistence | |
| 20:03 | * magnuse | is building an ebook lending thingy in dancer |
| 20:03 | bgallagher | Cool |
| 20:08 | magnuse | :-) |
| 20:08 | two weeks and the first day of the hackfest will be over | |
| 20:08 | bgallagher | Ha |
| 20:09 | cait | magnuse: that's drepessing |
| 20:09 | i mean, that it will be over :) | |
| 20:09 | magnuse | just the first day - there will be 4 - four - more! :-) |
| 20:11 | bgallagher | Yay! |
| 20:11 | cait | btw |
| 20:11 | bgallagher: when wil you arrive on sunday? | |
| 20:13 | bgallagher | I am not sure yet cait I have not got train tickets |
| 20:14 | cait | oh ok |
| 20:14 | will libsysguy get replaced? ;) | |
| 20:14 | I mean bringing someone else to marseille? | |
| 20:15 | bgallagher | Not at this time |
| 20:16 | * oleonard | volunteers! |
| 20:16 | magnuse | yay |
| 20:16 | oleonard | ;) |
| 20:17 | rangi | dancer is awesome |
| 20:21 | * magnuse | agrees with rangi |
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| 20:26 | rangi | magnuse: are you going to the open source days in denmark? |
| 20:26 | francois is going :) | |
| 20:27 | magnuse | rangi: nope, and i must confess i have not heard about them either... |
| 20:27 | rangi | ahh |
| 20:27 | magnuse | is he talking or just attending? |
| 20:27 | ah http://lanyrd.com/2013/opensourcedays/ | |
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| 20:28 | rangi | not sure ill ask |
| 20:28 | * magnuse | does not travel much these days... |
| 20:28 | rangi | yep :) kids will do that :) |
| 20:28 | magnuse | :-) |
| 20:28 | yeah, looks like he is speaking: http://lanyrd.com/2013/opensourcedays/speakers/ | |
| 20:29 | rangi | cool |
| 20:29 | magnuse | his speach at kohacon10 was awesome! |
| 20:29 | rangi | it was |
| 20:30 | magnuse | ooh, what would have been super cool was to invite him to norway and do that speach to norwegian librarians, when he is in the vicinity |
| 20:30 | but, too late now | |
| 20:30 | rangi | he flies tomorrow |
| 20:31 | magnuse | looong trip... |
| 20:31 | rangi | yeah |
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| 20:32 | * magnuse | waves to wizzyrea |
| 20:33 | * indradg | waves to wizzyrea |
| 20:33 | rangi | next time maybe :) |
| 20:33 | magnuse | rangi: yup! |
| 20:33 | oh well, time to go. have fun #koha | |
| 20:33 | rangi | cya later magnuse |
| 20:34 | * wizzyrea | waves |
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| 21:04 | * cait | waves at wizzyrea |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | quiet again today |
| 21:09 | * cait | gives wizzyrea a cookie |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | i like cookies - not sure I've done anything to deserve it though :) |
| 21:11 | cait | wizzyrea: well..... |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea: I am quite sure you have | |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | besides being charming |
| 21:12 | >.> | |
| 21:12 | be wizzyrea | |
| 21:12 | wahanui | do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? |
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| 21:22 | indradg | hi folks! anyone here has integrated / hooked up a GSM modem / compatible phone to send out SMSes |
| 21:23 | jcamins | indradg: there was support for SMSes using SMS::Send drivers. |
| 21:23 | But that's all I know about it. | |
| 21:23 | cait | there is a patch sending by email to phones... or something in bugzilla too I think |
| 21:24 | indradg | jcamins, SMS::Send drivers are for sms service providers.... not my use-case :) |
| 21:24 | cait checking | |
| 21:24 | jcamins | indradg: then not to my knowledge. |
| 21:25 | indradg | cait, http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9021 ? |
| 21:25 | huginn | 04Bug 9021: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers |
| 21:26 | cait | yep, that was the one I was thinking about |
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| 22:30 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 22:30 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if it was written in Ada it would have exception handling." (added by wizzyrea at 09:51 PM, June 28, 2011) |
| 22:32 | jcamins | gmcharlt: if you have a chance to look at bug 8620, I'd be interested to know if my patch solves it the same way you would. |
| 22:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8620 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Barcode searching not working correctly |
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| 22:36 | gmcharlt | jcamins: hmm. my eyeballs have no problem with your patch, but my nose smells too much unexplained voodoo ;) |
| 22:36 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 22:36 | I was just using the same magical templating that you used. :P | |
| 22:37 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 22:37 | * gmcharlt | does some testing |
| 22:41 | gmcharlt | jcamins: well, search on item-barcode-as-keyword WFM |
| 22:41 | cait | wfm? |
| 22:41 | jcamins | gmcharlt: oh, yeah, the patch works, I just wanted to know what you thought of it. :) |
| 22:41 | gmcharlt | cait: works for me |
| 22:41 | cait | oh right -thx :) |
| 22:41 | gmcharlt | jcamins: what I'm saying is I can't reproduce the bug |
| 22:42 | jcamins | Oh, neither can I. |
| 22:42 | If you use XML indexing, it doesn't happen. | |
| 22:42 | Or, rather, it happens less. | |
| 22:43 | cait | hm I didn't use -x, I have icu and dom... and I have weird gemran records (I guess) |
| 22:43 | neither callnumber nor barcode worked for me before patch | |
| 22:43 | jcamins | cait: yeah, had you used -x, it probably would have started working. |
| 22:44 | cait | tricky. |
| 22:44 | gmcharlt | jcamins: well, that narrows it down |
| 22:44 | * gmcharlt | adds note to the bug |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | cait, I'm about to submit a patch for bug 9745 |
| 22:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382 |
| 22:45 | cait | yay :) |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | would you mind testing that? |
| 22:45 | cait | nope, but not tonight |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | because I don't know how many people translate their sysprefs. |
| 22:45 | cait | time to sleep :) |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | right, when you have a minute - the patch isn't there yet anyway |
| 22:45 | jcamins | gmcharlt: yeah, the idea behind my patch was that it greatly reduces the number of nodes that match the Any query. |
| 22:45 | Template. | |
| 22:45 | wahanui | template is a copy from output |
| 22:45 | jcamins | Whatever. |
| 22:46 | gmcharlt | jcamins: yeah, but that doesn't account for why -x makes a difference; the end result should be the same, but isn't |
| 22:47 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I presume we were hitting the MARC binary limit. |
| 22:47 | gmcharlt | jcamins: that shouldn't be relevant; the record I'm testing with certainly isn't anywhere near the limit |
| 22:47 | jcamins | I hate to imagine why the indexes are stuck into binary MARC, but that seems the most likely explanation. |
| 22:48 | gmcharlt | jcamins: frankly, I'm dubious. I still smell too much voodoo |
| 22:48 | jcamins | This is the result without -x: http://paste.koha-community.org/414 |
| 22:49 | Any only reaches token 62. | |
| 22:49 | With -x, it only cuts out around token 200. | |
| 22:50 | But it still cuts out at some point. | |
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| 22:50 | jcamins | If you have a large enough record. |
| 22:52 | I changed it to match only text nodes since that's how you had done it with authorities. | |
| 22:52 | (instead of subfield or even field) | |
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| 23:02 | cait | gmcharlt, jcamins - hope you 2 canfiugre out something - i am going to sleep :) |
| 23:22 | rangi | https://lh3.ggpht.com/-eN7dgBG[…]tography-4057.jpg |
| 23:23 | can't beat wellington on an orca day | |
| 23:23 | http://wellingtonweddings.blog[…]-right-place.html | |
| 23:26 | jcamins | You want to know why libraries are in trouble? |
| 23:26 | I'll tell you why. | |
| 23:27 | I just got back from returning four books to the library. | |
| 23:27 | They have these fancy new automatic return machines, which are pretty cool. | |
| 23:27 | However, they also have a circulation desk, which is good because one of the books I was returning had had many pages torn out. | |
| 23:28 | So I went up to the desk, gave the circulation clerk the book, and said "many of the pages in this book were torn out. Can I request the other copy." | |
| 23:28 | Reasonable, right? | |
| 23:28 | Absolutely. | |
| 23:28 | Well, it turns out that despite there being a circulation desk staffed by two people, the circulation clerks cannot place holds on books. | |
| 23:28 | So I was referred to the reference librarian. | |
| 23:28 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "OK, now I see what's going on" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/417 |
| 23:29 | jcamins | Of which there was one. |
| 23:29 | gmcharlt | jcamins: ^^ |
| 23:29 | jcamins | She had five people waiting for her. |
| 23:29 | And me. | |
| 23:29 | I will wait until this book is available used for $1. | |
| 23:29 | gmcharlt: ah-ha! | |
| 23:30 | gmcharlt | jcamins: upshot, I like your patch, but I'm going to sign off on it with a somewhat different commit message :) |
| 23:30 | jcamins | gmcharlt: that's fine with me. |
| 23:30 | I was guessing what the problem was based on the comparison of two zebra::index results, one from a working system, one from a non-working system. | |
| 23:30 | gmcharlt | jcamins: if (say) MARC::File::XML serialized without spaces between the <subfield> elements, this would have become apparent much earlier |
| 23:33 | jcamins | Heh. The workaround was dependent on human-readable XML. |
| 23:33 | I find that amusing. | |
| 23:34 | rangi | jcamins: yes, that is a great illustration of doing things wrong, why on earth would you hve a circ desk that can't place holds |
| 23:36 | jcamins | rangi: entertainment purposes, I suppose. |
| 23:36 | rangi | :) |
| 23:36 | jcamins | Put in a hidden camera, see how many people go postal when they learn that the 2-3 people sitting at the desk with no line don't do anything, and there is only one person who does anything, and she has a line of 5 people waiting to talk to her. |
| 23:37 | rangi | heh |
| 23:38 | gmcharlt | jcamins: OK, I've signed off on the patch with a commit message that makes more sense to me; hopefully it will for others |
| 23:38 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 23:39 | gmcharlt | VOODOO BE GONE!!!1!!!! |
| 23:39 | * jcamins | is all for that. |
| 23:40 | jcamins | Though I have to say... it's kind of disturbing to me that my patch was exactly right despite my being 100% wrong about what the problem was. |
| 23:40 | I think this means I spend too much time working with Zebra. | |
| 23:46 | rangi | lol |
| 23:46 | must .. not .. reply ... | |
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| 23:56 | eythian | haha |
| 23:56 | wizzyrea | ... |
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