IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-25

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00:04 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now
00:04 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
00:04 Starting build #1028 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1021 1 day 22 hr ago)
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00:24 BobB Is anyone else having trouble connecting to LOC via Z3950?
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01:09 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
01:09 Project Koha_master build #1028: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1028/
01:43 wizzyrea hm, opinion - a library is annoyed because the advance notices and the due notice both show date issued instead of date due
01:44 my inclination is to show both
01:44 rangi can't hurt
01:44 @wunder nzwn
01:44 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on January 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Falling).
01:44 rangi it looks warmer than 19 to me
01:44 Dyrcona @wunder 01844
01:44 wizzyrea it's warm but there's a bit of a chill
01:44 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Methuen MA US, Methuen, Massachusetts is -10.6°C (8:18 PM EST on January 24, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am EST Friday...
01:44 wizzyrea warm in the sun
01:45 chilly in the shade
01:45 Dyrcona Freezing in the shade. :)
01:45 wizzyrea :)
01:45 you win for cold weather
01:45 @wunder lawrence, ks
01:45 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -3.2°C (7:45 PM CST on January 24, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
01:45 wizzyrea no SO bad there
01:46 @wunder boo
01:46 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (1:50 AM CET on January 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
01:46 wizzyrea !
01:46 would not have guessed that one.
01:46 Dyrcona Yeah, we should move to sunny Norway. :)
01:47 wizzyrea @wunder antarctica
01:47 huginn wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
01:47 eythian rangi: there's still a leftover southerly breeze blowing, cooling it slightly
01:48 wizzyrea it was downright chillish yesterday
01:48 rangi ahh right
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01:51 mtj hi all, more friday fun -> http://imgur.com/a/wkzr5
01:54 eythian @later tell cait http://imgur.com/a/wkzr5
01:54 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
02:04 wizzyrea hahaha
02:34 eythian new koha packages uploading
02:34 rangi sweet
02:39 cjh \o/
02:40 wizzyrea hey cjh
02:40 feelin better?
02:40 cjh wizzyrea: quite a bit actually :)
02:40 wizzyrea yusssss
02:47 ok regarding the duedate on notice thing - I suspect there will be squealing from the community if i just out and change it... suggestions?
02:47 even though my way makes a lot more sense and it's stupid the way it is now. :P
02:47 take that, diplomacy!
02:48 * wizzyrea plots to ply them all with ginger beer.
02:48 wizzyrea or real beer.
02:48 who knows
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04:08 mtj fyi, wellington peeps - we are opening for lawrencearabia.com tmrw nite, if anyone is out n' about…
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07:10 magnuse hiya cait and #koha
07:14 alex_a bonjour cait and magnuse
07:14 cait hi all :)
07:15 friday morning :)
07:15 magnuse bonjour alex_a
07:35 pizzaday!
07:35 friday?
07:35 wahanui hmmm... friday is pizzaday!
07:35 magnuse yay!
07:40 cait heh
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07:42 reiveune hello
07:43 magnuse bojour reiveune
07:48 cait bbl :)
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08:22 gaetan_B hello
08:25 kf hi gaetan_B :)
08:25 gaetan_B :)
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09:01 kf good friday morning drojf
09:06 drojf hi kf :)
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09:22 magnuse oh noes!
09:22 kf hope he comes back and doesn't end up in another dimension
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09:22 magnuse yup
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09:49 gerundio good morning everyone
10:05 kf h igeru
10:05 hi gerundio :)
10:05 gerundio I've been called worse ehehehe
10:07 kf heh
10:10 drojf hi gerundio
10:10 firefox os app day berlin 'sold out'
10:10 ha. i got a ticket 'just in case' yesterday
10:11 kf :)
10:11 cool
10:11 rangi is going there tomorrow
10:11 in wellington
10:11 drojf so there will be a koha app already :D
10:12 yeah i saw wellington on the list and was wondering if somebody of the koha folks is going
10:12 gerundio a brand new Koha Firefox OS app on the forge drojf? :p
10:12 drojf i'd love them to have some phones ready when it is in berlin ;)
10:13 gerundio don't know if you'll be that lucky
10:13 drojf probably not
10:13 gerundio the event mentions "Firefox OS Simulator", so I'm guessing that'll be the showcase method
10:14 but hey, you never know
10:14 drojf i'd also be fine to jump up the queue for a developer phone :P
10:14 gerundio has any hardware manufacturer already partned with Mozilla on this?
10:14 drojf yes, there is geeksphone, they will anounce more info on developer phones in february
10:15 http://www.geeksphone.com/
10:15 they have two models soon
10:17 * magnuse wants a geek phone, just based on the name :-)
10:17 gerundio lets see how it manages on the mobile market
10:18 * magnuse would also like to see html5 take the place of native apps
10:18 gerundio hmm, not in the near future I guess
10:18 drojf i think the web-y-browse-y stuff will work alright, but there seems to be no layer to run anything not web-based.
10:19 magnuse yay
10:19 :-)
10:19 gerundio Facebook went down that road for their iOS app and said it was their worst decision
10:20 any Android users among you guys?
10:20 drojf magnuse: i'd like to be able to run scripts or something at least ;)
10:20 gerundio check this new gadget by Always Innovating: http://androidcommunity.com/me[…]android-20130124/
10:20 drojf gerundio: i used android for 15 minutes a few days ago. to learn how to root a phone for a friend :D but i don't have an android device
10:21 * magnuse has an android phone, somewhat reluctantly after having an n900 with the debian-based maemo os...
10:22 drojf hahaha that helicopter cam looks great
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10:24 * drojf still does not have a smartphone
10:24 drojf not too happy with the operating systems available
10:24 i don't like google and i don't like apple to spy on me
10:26 gerundio just buy an offline budget phone
10:27 I don't know what will be the policies for the FirefoxOS and even for Ubuntu phone OS for that matter
10:27 drojf i have a samsung phone for 15€. it can call and send sms
10:27 :D
10:28 gerundio that's all I need too
10:28 :D
10:29 * kf has a smartphone but only uses it for internet and another phone for calling people :P
10:29 gerundio kf, you should look into replacing that smartphone for a 7" tablet or so
10:30 drojf i'd like a pocket internet. i hope to be able to really interact with the hardware on firefoxos. as in, have control over it. but we will see
10:30 kf gerundio: I recently got a tablet... *sigh*
10:30 gerundio internet experience in such a device is much better
10:30 * gerundio got a Nexus 7 a while ago too
10:31 drojf i have a tablet too. does not really fit in my pocket though (10")
10:31 gerundio I used to think 10" was great, but now I'm pretty pleased with my 7"
10:31 not to say the speed
10:32 * kf has an asus transformer - it's nice
10:32 drojf firefox os should be able to run on really low spec hardware. i'd buy a phone for ~100€ for occasional internet needs on the go and that seems possible. i would not really spend 400++€ for a phone
10:32 gerundio offtopic: KOHA
10:33 is scalar($field->subfields()) a good way to count the # of subfields on a given field?
10:33 kf not sure if it's a good way but it seems like itwould work
10:33 drojf i define "good way" by "it works", so don't ask me :)
10:33 gerundio lolol
10:33 kf would assigning it to a scalar variable without the scalar not work too?
10:34 I am too much of a perl noob to tell you if it's good :)
10:34 gerundio don't think you can beat me at the "perl noob" category, sorry the highest place in the podium is already taken kf :D
10:35 kf heh
10:35 i will not fight you for it
10:35 gerundio the thing that strikes me the most about perl is there is always like ten ways to accomplish something
10:35 drojf see, and i am happy if i find one of them :D
10:35 gerundio which ultimately leaves me wondering which one is the right one
10:36 kf gerundio: the reading list recommended to me was:
10:36 learning perl, modern perl, perl best practices
10:37 I am still stuck in the middle of modern perl
10:37 gerundio I've got my hands on a copy of PBP just in case
10:37 kf I think modern perl and perl best practices shoudl help answering that question
10:41 drojf still tickets available for the app day in wellington if anyone is interested in a short holiday ;)
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10:41 kf if I coudl make it there on time... beamers
10:41 someone shoudl work on that
10:43 drojf i think the more realistic approach for the near future is using a 3d printer to replicate stuff on the other end of the world. that would not work with a copy of kf i suppose ;)
10:43 kf hhmmm
10:47 magnuse there is more than one way to do it ftw! :-)
10:59 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Snippet to remove 610a subfield" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/368
10:59 gerundio when I run the script with that code for a given record
11:00 the 610a field is removed
11:00 and even the whole 610 field is gone if subfield a was the only subfield
11:01 but if I re-run the script for the same record I get "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at remove_unimarc_610a_value.pl line 96." which refers to the "$record->field('610');" line
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11:02 gerundio as $record is now returning NULL
11:02 any idea what I might be doing wrong here?
11:09 just to add more info on this
11:09 the database record on biblio looks fine
11:10 the 610 field is gone from the marcxml collumn
11:25 magnuse gerundio: you need to check if there is a 610 before you try to do anything with it
11:26 wrap everything under "# Retrieve field 610" in an "if ( $record->field('610') ) {...}"
11:26 gerundio magnuse, I can add that check to the script although the error is reported earlier in the script
11:27 the $record in returned as undef or NULL not the $field
11:28 magnuse if the whole record is undef/NULL after you edited it, it sounds like the editing did something wrong...
11:28 gerundio in should be read as is ^^
11:29 that's the whole code
11:29 I remove subfield 610a if it exists
11:29 check if field 610 was left with no subfields
11:29 and if that's the case I remove it completely
11:30 then save the changes using ModBiblio
11:30 I'm not that familiar with the C4::Biblio and MARC::Record libraries
11:30 so I'm betting I'm using the methods in any wrong way
11:31 magnuse hm
11:31 the error was "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at remove_unimarc_610a_value.pl line 96."
11:31 this line does not call method "subfield": my $field          = $record->field('610');
11:31 but this does: my $subfield = $field->subfield('a');
11:32 so i think that last one has to be line 96?
11:35 gerundio hmm, you got a point there
11:35 it seems I've been reading it wrong since the start
11:35 magnuse++ I'll work on that
11:36 magnuse yay :-)
11:54 gerundio magnuse++ you deserve it... enough said :p
11:54 magnuse cool :-)
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12:55 slef anyone remember what it was about something like a --no-ff option when merging?
12:56 "Generate a merge commit even if the merge resolved as a fast-forward"
12:56 jcamins_away slef: yes, without that you can't revert merges.
12:56 slef so to revert them, use rebase -i to remove the merge commit?
12:57 jcamins_away No.
12:57 slef use revert later?
12:57 jcamins_away Just use git revert -m 1 {REVERT_COMMIT_ID}
12:57 Yeah.
12:58 If you are rebasing you don't need --no-ff
12:58 slef I wonder what that looks like on the tree
12:58 I'm making a new local test deployment... 3.8.9 plus some enh from later
12:58 magnuse it looks like nice xmas decorations ;-)
12:58 slef magnuse: :)
13:00 heh, I got halfway through the merges before Merge conflict in installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
13:16 * chris_n read "rebasing" as "rebashing"
13:17 wonders if "rebashing" is some form of rewriting bash scripts
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13:42 oleonard Hi #koha
13:42 kf_lunch hi oleonard
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14:19 * magnuse waves at all the new arrivals :-)
14:19 oleonard Hey, that's me!
14:19 * oleonard waves back
14:19 gerundio :)
14:20 magnuse :-)
14:21 * magnuse admires his shiny new raspberry pi through it's shiny new see-through plastic case ;-)
14:21 jcamins_away :)
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14:22 drojf :)
14:23 magnuse now all it needs are some cables, some storage and some time... ;-)
14:23 gerundio I've been thinking of buying one to setup as a media center with XBMC
14:24 drojf nah, you have to install koha on it :P
14:24 gerundio still not sure how it behaves on 720p or 1080p movies though
14:24 drojf, why stop with just 1x pi, right? :D
14:24 drojf the gpu shluld be capable of running that ok. not sure about xmbc having access to hardware decoding though
14:24 should
14:25 * magnuse will try it as a media center, probably
14:25 drojf firefox os runs on a pi too ;)
14:25 magnuse ooh
14:25 drojf but i think the ported version is really old now
14:26 i don't feel like porting that myself. and by i don't feel like i mean i doubt i am able to do that
14:26 slef is firefox os all-FOSS?
14:26 drojf slef: don't know yet
14:26 waiting for answers :)
14:27 slef there was some confusion on a list I read, so someone asked in a comment on the website and the Mozilla rep avoided the question, which sowed FUD
14:27 drojf there is not much info out on the "linux" part (kernel+whatever there is) called gonk
14:27 magnuse on the note in the box it says debian squeeze is recommended - i thought there was a special distro, raspbian or something?
14:27 slef I'll mention any update I get, if you want.
14:27 drojf magnuse: what box?
14:27 wahanui box is probably missing.
14:27 slef wahanui: forget box
14:27 wahanui slef: I forgot box
14:28 drojf magnuse: also, take raspian. it's wheezy +x
14:28 * druthb thinks it'd be cool to have a koha "appliance" built around a Pi.  Plug it in, give it an IP addy, and start configurin' Koha.
14:29 drojf druthb: a koha live-pi? :D
14:29 magnuse druthb: yeah!
14:29 drojf: yeah!
14:29 drojf: the pi itself came in a pink plastic box
14:29 drojf i was thinking about that, but that would be a pretty large file
14:29 druthb yep.  I could sell the heck out of that to small rural libraries.  ILS in a box.
14:30 drojf magnuse: ah, ok. that is probably  ooold info :)
14:30 magnuse druthb: yeah!
14:31 gerundio I just got a complaint about fine values not showing up in the overdue notices sent to patrons
14:31 bug 8378
14:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
14:31 druthb Places where network connectivity is twitchy, and a hosted solution is not a good idea....
14:31 drojf druthb: mine even made its own WiFi network. no need for internet ;)
14:31 gerundio this is still an active bug
14:31 drojf the solar part did not work so well
14:32 gerundio so I'm guessing that koha isn't sending fine values... is that it?
14:34 drojf slef: my second raspberry pi was actually produced in the UK, as they claimed to do from the beginning
14:37 slef drojf: I did not know that, or that it wasn't. I assumed it was exploitative Chinaware like most stuff.
14:38 drojf i think parts of the production still are
14:42 magnuse mine says "made in china"...
14:44 * kf_lunch growls
14:44 kf_lunch sorry :)
14:45 * kf_lunch gets frustrated trying to figure this out
14:45 magnuse figure what out, kf_lunch?
14:45 kf something I am working on, it's ok
14:46 drojf made in china reminds me that i wanted to watch the "are fair computers possible" talk from 29c3
14:47 * slef hands kf a kitten kebab
14:47 slef drojf: got link?
14:47 huginn: google "are fair computers possible" 29c3
14:47 huginn slef: Lightning Talks - 29C3 Public Wiki: <http://events.ccc.de/congress/[…]i/Lightning_Talks>; Workshops - 29C3 Public Wiki: <http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/wiki/Workshops>; 29c3-Videos › Nerdcore: <http://www.crackajack.de/2012/12/29/29c3-videos/>; 29C3 Review | Lukas' Weblog: <http://lukas-prokop.at/blog/2013/01/29c3-review/>; Gratefulfrog's GratefulBlog: 29C3 - 29th Chaos Communications (1 more message)
14:48 slef what's the latest 3.8 release?
14:49 magnuse 3.8.9
14:49 slef cool, thanks, thought I was going nuts
14:49 and I was :)
14:49 druthb No one noticed, slef.  Happens to me, too.
14:50 * druthb went nuts a long time ago, but y'all just go along with it, so it's okay.
14:50 drojf slef: ah, it was in german
14:50 either go to http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/29C3/ choose a format and look for 29c3-5121-de-en-sind_faire_computer_moeglich or on youtube (embedded in an article) at https://netzpolitik.org/2013/f[…]-ist-das-moglich/ )
14:51 slef drojf: kein Problem
14:51 drojf :)
14:52 slef hrm, I wonder if my tv plays mp4
14:52 it's a DVB-T2 set... it should, shouldn't it?
14:52 drojf isn't that mpeg2?
14:53 slef HEsomething AAC
14:53 DVB-T is definitely mpeg2
14:53 not sure about T2
14:53 it's new to me
14:54 drojf i didn't know there is T2 at all. i don't care much about tv :)
14:55 now that i have to pay for it, i probably should
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15:16 slef drojf: I don't care about T2 but it seemed a good idea to get a TV that supported it as there was not much price difference.
15:17 drojf: I was rather surprised it can pick up T2 signals from as far away as Manchester, 5h travel away, in good weather.
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15:28 drojf third person to report Z39.50 problems
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15:31 slef drojf: with loc.gov or koha or what?
15:31 drojf Anyone else having problems grabbing records through Z39.50 in the past couple of days?  Our FirstSearch, LOC & NYPL destinations all return errors ...
15:31 in koha
15:32 (on the mailing list)
15:33 libsysguy oleonard has given me a great gift today
15:33 loads of easy patches to QA
15:37 kf libsysguy: yuo know you should start with older ones/bug fixes ;)
15:38 can't always pick the easy ones
15:38 libsysguy :'(
15:38 jcamins_away Bugfixes especially.
15:38 I have a bugfix that has been awaiting QA for quite a while.
15:38 libsysguy oh?
15:38 what #?
15:38 wahanui # is, like, for root
15:38 jcamins_away Chances are there are a bunch of others, too.
15:39 Bug 9174.
15:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9174 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Item type image does not display for biblio-level itemtypes in list display in OPAC
15:39 jcamins_away Okay, only three weeks.
15:40 But there's also bug 9222, 9201, 9226, 9320, 9323, 8451, etc. :P
15:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl
15:41 kf hehe
15:41 do 3 bug fixes and you can do some of the easy ones after
15:41 * kf offers a deal ;)
15:41 jcamins_away Yes! Good idea!
15:41 libsysguy fine fine
15:41 jcamins_away And now I _really_ have to go finish getting my things together, so that we can leave for a much-needed vacation.
15:41 libsysguy psh vacation
15:41 kf jcamins_away: enjoy while I am going to fail your patches :P
15:42 jcamins_away lol
15:42 As long as they move forward.
15:43 libsysguy forward++
15:43 * kf is looking at query parser
15:43 oleonard forward->->
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15:51 slef drojf: LOC z39.50 failed for us today, but it's not something that the library I'm working for today uses, so I've not investigated.
15:52 jcamins_away slef: gmcharlt sent an e-mail to the list explaining the problem.
15:52 Columbia and Smithsonian work fine for me, though.
15:52 slef jcamins_away: looking... (I wish gmane koha archive worked)
15:53 http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]es-td5740217.html
15:53 jcamins_away slef: you don't receive the mailing lists to your e-mail?
15:54 slef jcamins_away: yes, but I read that mailbox only daily.
15:55 jcamins_away Ah.
15:55 slef well, mostly daily
15:55 jcamins_away Oh, hey, I should update my VM before I leave.
15:55 slef some days not at all, other days repeatedly
15:59 jcamins_away Wow. Lots to download.
16:00 * oleonard hands jcamins_away a yak to shave
16:04 gmcharlt jcamins_away: I've asked somebody at LC about whether z3950.loc.gov will be coming back, and if they all would rather we use lx2.loc.gov instead
16:04 jcamins_away gmcharlt++
16:05 reiveune bye
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16:10 magnuse lazy question: what's the state of dbic and koha?
16:11 jcamins_away magnuse: stalled until Koha is actually persistance-ready.
16:11 magnuse ah, ok
16:13 kf jcamins_away: so the patches from elliott won't work?
16:14 or am i confusing something?
16:14 libsysguy ?
16:14 jcamins_away They will work, but I don't see how we can put them in right now.
16:14 The performance hit for CGI is pretty significant, and we don't offer any alternative.
16:14 libsysguy until somebody signs off on the nginx stuff
16:14 * libsysguy prods
16:15 jcamins_away libsysguy: and until Plack, you know, works. :P
16:15 libsysguy right…so to answer your question kf...never
16:15 :p
16:15 jcamins_away Anything to do with notices is completely borked under Plack.
16:16 That's part of the reason I did the new caching.
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16:16 jcamins_away It gives us a fighting chance of fixing the problem without needing to massively rewrite C4.
16:16 mib_e3s3d5 can anyone provide me with some help for Koha 2.2.5?
16:17 libsysguy whoa mib_e3s3d5 I think that version is older than I am
16:17 jcamins_away mib_e3s3d5: sorry, that's an incredibly old version.
16:17 I don't think anyone provides support for it.
16:17 mib_e3s3d5 I know...I just have some basic needs.
16:17 drojf lol libsysguy that is close to what i wanted to say
16:17 oleonard 2.x advice is always "upgrade"
16:17 mib_e3s3d5 out of my control on the upgrade for now.
16:18 I just need to know how to enter in an authors name.
16:18 jcamins_away mib_e3s3d5: no one here has used Koha 2.x in a very long time, but if you'd like you could ask your question anyway, on the off-chance that someone has an answer.
16:19 * drojf has never used koha < 3
16:19 * jcamins_away either.
16:19 kf mib_I think most developers here have never seen it, as it's years old
16:19 I have seen screenshots, that's all
16:19 * libsysguy started on v3.4.x
16:19 jcamins_away Right. Don't get your hopes up, but if your question is general enough, there's a chance that the question would be answerable based on general knowledge.
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16:19 kf 3.0 almost 3.2 was my starting point
16:20 jcamins_away I got involved only a few months after kf.
16:22 gerundio I trying to make something out of bug 8378
16:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
16:22 gerundio looking into "cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl" source code
16:22 oleonard mib_e3s3d5: I've been around since before 2.2.5 and entering an author is pretty much the same as it is now if you use MARC: Edit the MARC record.
16:22 gerundio can someone take a look at the parse_letter function
16:23 mib_e3s3d5 oleonard-can we talk privatly about this? I'm find giving a phone number to you to call or can I call you?
16:23 gerundio and tell what is supposed to be come from that $item->{'fine'} = currency_format($currency_format, "$fine", FMT_SYMBOL)
16:23 mib_e3s3d5 this would be most most helpful.
16:24 oleonard No mib_e3s3d5, I'm basing my advice on distant memory. I don't work with 2.x anymore and don't want to. Sorry :(
16:24 mib_e3s3d5 thanx for the carrot.
16:24 gerundio run mib_e3s3d5 run :)
16:25 btw, "The current release is 3.8, until at least October 2012, and the previous releases still being supported are 3.4 and 3.6."
16:25 so 2.2.5 goes long before that
16:25 jcamins_away gerundio: where does it say that?
16:25 drojf mib_e3s3d5: what is the problem with entering the name=
16:25 gerundio download?
16:25 wahanui download is still 4.10
16:25 jcamins_away gerundio: 'cause that's wrong.
16:25 gerundio http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
16:25 jcamins_away Ah.
16:25 wahanui: forget download
16:25 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot download
16:26 jcamins_away download is http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
16:26 Thanks.
16:26 drojf mib_e3s3d5: my guess would be, it is authority controlled and you cannot enter a name directly?
16:26 gerundio jcamins_away, the wrong being the current version?
16:27 jcamins_away gerundio: and what is supported.
16:27 We don't support 3.4.
16:27 gerundio so always current - 2?
16:27 jcamins_away @later tell wizzyrea could you please edit http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ to note that the current release is 3.10, and the previous releases still being supported are 3.6 and 3.8?
16:27 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
16:27 jcamins_away gerundio: generally.
16:27 gerundio don't tell me you're thinking about LTS :)
16:28 jcamins_away gerundio: actually, there were threats to change it to current and current-1, but the RM's use of 3.6 persuaded someone to step up to maintain 3.6.
16:28 kf gerundio: it gives you a formatted string I think
16:28 gerundio RM as in Release Manager or Real Madrid? :o
16:29 kf gerundio: you have to put <fine>ISOCODE</fine> in the notice
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16:29 kf and there is a perl library to deal with the formating where the routine belongs too
16:29 mib_e3s3d5 djrof-are you asking me?
16:29 kf I waded through the documentation before, Ithink that part is right and should give you the formatted string with the right currency symbol
16:30 jcamins_away gerundio: as in Release Manager.
16:33 gerundio kf, I have <fine>EUR</fine> in the notice
16:33 and all I get in the email message is EUR and no fine value
16:34 kf hm ok
16:34 is there a fine?
16:34 F or FU for that item?
16:34 gerundio and regarding your answer, been there and done that
16:34 looked into the http://search.cpan.org/~tnguye[…]at-1.28/Format.pm documentation and code
16:34 kf right, that is the one :)
16:34 gerundio my question was about that particular code snippet
16:35 let me give some more insight on what I'm seeing there
16:36 I'll be using the code from github so we can see the same line numbers
16:36 https://github.com/Koha-Commun[…]verdue_notices.pl
16:37 scroll down to line 714
16:37 so basically we set $currency_format = $1; if there's a tag <fine>something</fine> in the notice content, right?
16:38 jcamins_away So long, everyone.
16:38 Have a good week and a half.
16:39 gerundio $1 as in the 1st argument passed on to the parse_letter function
16:39 jcamins_away, you will be missed
16:39 have fun and get some proper rest
16:39 kf have anice vacation!
16:39 oleonard Have a nice trip jcamins_away
16:39 gerundio hope you get your bateries recharged duracell style
16:40 kf gerundio: I think look up $1
16:40 it's to do with the regex
16:41 not with the params of the function
16:41 it gets the EUR out - the first () of the rexex used before
16:41 drojf mib_e3s3d5: yes i was asking you for a decription of your problem
16:42 kf regex
16:42 oleonard d
16:42 gerundio kf, oh right
16:42 kf or I guess it should
16:43 gerundio and then it just replaces the whole <fine>EUR</fine> tag for <<item.fine>>
16:43 got it
16:44 kf gerundio: there is no item.fine
16:44 or maybe there is... but it's not from the items table
16:44 gerundio just reading the code
16:44 $params->{'letter'}->{'content'} =~ s/<fine>.*<\/fine>/<<item.fine>>/o;
16:44 it's not from the table
16:44 my thoughts too at 1st
16:45 kf so it must look that up somewhere else
16:45 drojf have a good time jcamins_away
16:45 gerundio line 728
16:45 $item->{'fine'} gets set
16:46 then the whole $item is passed on
16:46 kf geru
16:46 gerundio and from the looks of it must be mapped inside C4::Letters::GetPreparedLetter
16:47 kf gerundio: sorry I have to leave - if you are around later I can try to take another look
16:47 gerundio I think I'm focusing in the wrong place
16:47 sure kf
16:47 probably I won't be here
16:47 I'm leaving in an hour or so
16:47 thanks for your time anyways
16:47 kf++ :)
16:47 kf gerundio++ :)
16:59 bye all and have a nice weekend!
17:00 drojf you too kf
17:01 chris_n @later tell wizzyrea, jcamins_away download page updated
17:01 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:01 chris_n by kf
17:01 bye, even
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17:21 nengard question about the new alphabet system preference - is this just for the patron browse?
17:21 or is it used elsewhere
17:24 oleonard Just for that as far as I know
17:24 nengard okey dokey
17:24 oleonard Where else do we have an alphabet browse? I can't think of anywhere
17:27 nengard I can't either
17:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #8 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
17:32 Starting build #16 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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17:32 nengard: update OPACBaseURL to provide more detail
17:33 Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #8: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.10.x/8/
17:33 nengard: update OPACBaseURL to provide more detail
17:33 Starting build #264 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago)
17:33 Project Koha_Docs build #264: STILL FAILING in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/264/
17:33 * nengard: update OPACBaseURL to provide more detail
17:33 * nengard: add alphabet preference
17:43 gerundio goodbye everyone
17:43 have a nice weekend
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17:46 oleonard khall: My patch for Bug 9456 doesn't fit the bill in what way? Customer requirements?
17:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add callnumber column to the cart
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17:48 * cait waves
17:54 oleonard the view from my office window: http://www.screencast.com/t/Jtu3d8bs6MYI
17:56 cait oh
17:56 similar to here :)
17:56 well... not really, most of it has thawed away r
17:56 rambutan cool
18:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #265 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago)
18:02 Project Koha_Docs build #265: STILL FAILING in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/265/
18:02 nengard: add NotesBlacklist preference
18:17 Starting build #266 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago)
18:17 Project Koha_Docs build #266: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/266/
18:17 * nengard: update self check with new receipt option
18:17 * nengard: update checkout notice
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18:37 rangi https://library.education.govt.nz/
18:38 Morning
18:38 wahanui Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:39 * rangi is on the way to FirefoxOS day
18:42 rambutan rangi rhymes
18:42 rangi Hehe
18:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #267 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago)
18:47 Project Koha_Docs build #267: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/267/
18:47 nengard: update batch anonymize tool
19:10 * oleonard wonders why Jenkins fails Docs builds
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19:20 nengard_lunch oleonard it's a problem with the characters in the french translation ? or so I've been told
19:20 * oleonard wonders what Jenkins has against the French
19:22 nengard_lunch LOL
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19:37 rangi its using entities instead of actul utf8 chars that is the problem
19:38 someone just needs to find the &cute; whatevers and put the actual chars in, and its fixed
19:39 oleonard That sounds simple enough rangi
19:39 Thanks
19:40 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]bb1d-ddc47ffb263f
19:40 that ^
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20:17 Starting build #9 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
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20:17 nengard: update Authorities Browser cron
20:17 Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #9: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.10.x/9/
20:17 nengard: update Authorities Browser cron
20:17 Starting build #268 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 3 days ago)
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20:18 * nengard: add SeparateHoldings & SeparateHoldingsBranch prefs
20:18 * nengard: add missing SeparateHoldings & SeparateHoldingsBranch image
20:18 * nengard: update Authorities Browser cron
20:20 oleonard Incorporating the login menu changes from Corey's patch: http://screencast.com/t/kTNX8VeS5h
20:20 @later tell wizzyrea Incorporating the login menu changes from Corey's patch: http://screencast.com/t/kTNX8VeS5h
20:20 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
20:21 oleonard I'd like to make it clearer that the username is a menu, but I haven't settled on anything yet
20:22 Need to get the cart popup working before it can be considered for signoff
20:25 cait oleonard++
20:25 thx for working on this :)
20:26 * oleonard is excited to do it when he isn't overwhelmed by all the other things that need to be done
20:26 cait :)
20:26 I am not sure about the @ tho
20:26 I am not sure it translates well to non-geeks
20:26 and at makes only make sense in english
20:27 I mean reading it 'at' only makes sense in english
20:27 unlike me.. I don't even make sense there
20:27 really like how the pull downs look :)
20:28 oleonard yeah I think we need more discussion on that aspect of it. I like that it is more compact, but I also want it to be clear and the menu discoverable
20:29 cait why not make it work similar to the more?
20:29 with a little arrow?
20:29 I really doubt the @ would make sense outside of english
20:30 for librarians
20:31 well... details :) later
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21:00 oleonard Good weekend #koha
21:01 datadoctor Hi All! I am interested in Acquisitions; new record creation. Is anyone else noticing that the random number assigned to each transaction breaks the browser's...
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21:02 datadoctor form memorization? It looks like the random number allows multiple items to be created more quickly.
21:02 cait ?
21:02 datadoctor: what exactly are you trying to do?
21:03 datadoctor Acquisitions is entering or editing the Marc record. They are cataloging for "Accelerated Reader" somewhere around 650c. They used to type "ac"
21:04 and the browser would suggest "Accelerated Reader."
21:04 cait hm
21:04 ok, i think I got confused because acquisitions doesn't hve those fields
21:04 datadoctor Now they have to do a search, and a lot of things come up. Hmmm. Maybe they could type a little more into the search field...?
21:04 cait but I tink you mean cataloguing?
21:04 datadoctor Yes, cataloging, sorry...
21:05 cait are they using authorities?
21:05 datadoctor I believe so.
21:05 cait hm
21:05 not sure how to speed it up
21:06 datadoctor I'm thinking about it, and maybe they just need to type in a few more characters before they search, that would make for a smaller table of results to choose from.
21:07 The way to see this is to call up a book, then edit it's record.
21:09 The fields used to be indentified as "tag_010_subfield_a" - now they are called "tag_010_subfield_a_776843_783466" so the browser sees it as a new subfield
21:09 cait i see
21:09 datadoctor on each new record. The number appears to be randomly assigned.
21:10 cait I think there is probably a reason to that :)
21:10 or i hope
21:11 datadoctor Perhaps a new feature that allows multiple items to be created in one step for the record. The items display in a mini table before the record is created.
21:11 Something like that.
21:12 It changes the workflow from using the browser pull-down to using the built-in search feature.
21:13 Then you choose the correct value from a table by scrolling down and pushing "choose."
21:13 cait datadoctor: you are really confusing me :)
21:13 items are not cataloguing
21:14 different screen
21:14 I am not sure where you are right now in Koha
21:14 datadoctor Thanks. I get confused about it too. I don't know the correct terminology. The problem occurs in cataloging.
21:15 cait you can have repeatable fields... but there i sno item table in the cataloguing screen
21:15 it's a bit late here on a friday
21:15 guess my brain is just tired
21:15 datadoctor I'm about to leave. I will try to think up a way to present this better.
21:15 cait maybe screenshots :)
21:15 datadoctor We see it when we receive incoming items.
21:16 cait or step by step
21:16 datadoctor But the problem occurs when we are doing the cataloging, and creating the record, not on the item screen.
21:16 cait so in acq?
21:16 hm
21:17 really not sure, sorry
21:17 datadoctor Thanks cait, I think I am confusing the item entry with the record entry. I'm going to check my facts and get back to you.
21:18 cait weekends are pretty quiet here
21:18 maybe on monday you can catch a bigger crowd
21:18 or you can try the mailing list
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