IRC log for #koha, 2012-12-05

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Time	Nick	Message
00:15		rambutan left #koha
00:28	jenkins_koha	Starting build #242 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:06		Project Koha_3.8.x build #242: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/242/
01:06		oleonard: Bug 8820 [3.8.x] Don't show orders table if there are no orders
01:06	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8820 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Don't show orders table if there are no orders
01:26	trea	anyone know if you can modify the SetEnv OPAC_SEARCH_LIMIT in your apache virtualhost directive to include more than one institution ID?
01:27		ie, if you wanted to have a specific url search two branches at once, for example
01:58	drojf	trea: this sounds like it http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]FC#Search_Limits:
01:59		you could try something like 'branch:CPL OR FFL' (with valid branch codes) and see what happens
02:04	eythian	drojf: this is an odd time for you to be online
02:04	jcamins_away	trea: you can, I think, but the method is non-obvious.
02:05		Let me see if I can find it.
02:05	drojf	eythian: true. i was really tired all day, and when it was time to sleep i was awake :/
02:05	eythian	ah right
02:05		those days are annoying
02:05	trea	i've had a couple of those days in a row myself
02:09	jcamins_away	branch:CODE or branch:OTHER
02:09		I believe that will work.
02:09		However, that will also break non-simple searches.
02:10		You would probably be better off signing off on Waylon's patch to add that feature in a more useful way.
02:10	trea	you're probably correct
02:15	* jcamins_away	goes to read Les Miserables.
02:16	* drojf	imagines that to be a code for emails of special clients
02:24	wizzyrea	jcamins_away: define "non-simple"
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02:56	jcamins_away	wizzyrea: no advanced search, no CCL.
02:59	jenkins_koha	Starting build #28 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:00	wizzyrea	ah yea, not cool
03:41	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.10.x build #28: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/28/
03:41		jcamins: Bug 9135: updatedatabase.pl fails when DEBUG is set
03:41	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9135 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , updatedatabase.pl fails when DEBUG is set
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05:41	cait	hi #koha
05:42	eythian	hi cait
05:42	cait	hey :)
05:42		still at work?
05:43	eythian	yep. Got a go-live of a new system tomorrow, so making sure that everything is up and running for that, so that when their data comes in, that's all that has to be done.
05:43		so far it's going nice and smoothly, so I should be out of here fairly soon.
05:46	cait	cool
06:44	jenkins_koha	Starting build #243 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:54	* magnuse	waves
06:56	* cait	waves back
06:58	jenkins_koha	Starting build #29 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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07:34	mveron	Good morning #koha
07:34	cait	good morning mveron :)
07:35	mveron	Hi cait :-)
07:36		If somebody new to koha would like  to have an overview over system requirements (Opac and Staff), where would (s)he find it?
07:37		system requirements?
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07:37	reiveune	hello
07:37	mveron	Hi reiveune :-)
07:38	reiveune	salut mveron magnuse cait and everybody
07:42	magnuse	hiya lds mveron reiveune
07:42	mveron	hi magnuse :-)
07:44	cait	hey reiveune :)
07:44	alex_a	bonjour
07:44	wahanui	niihau, alex_a
07:44	alex_a	niihau wahanui !
07:44		et bonjour cait magnuse and marc
07:45	magnuse	bonjour alex_a
07:45		@wunder marseille
07:45	huginn	magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (8:30 AM CET on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
07:45	magnuse	@wunder boo
07:45	huginn	magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
07:45	cait	@wunder Konstanz
07:45	huginn	cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.8°C (8:45 AM CET on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
07:46	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.8.x build #243: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/243/
07:46		jcamins: Bug 9135: updatedatabase.pl fails when DEBUG is set
07:46	wahanui	i already had it that way, jenkins_koha.
07:46	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9135 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , updatedatabase.pl fails when DEBUG is set
07:47	mveron	@wunder basel
07:47	huginn	mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 3.0°C (8:30 AM CET on December 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
07:47	cait	snow showers... meh.
07:47		bbl
07:49	magnuse	success! \o/
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07:55	gaetan_B	hello
07:57	magnuse	bonjour julian_m and gaetan_B
07:57	julian_m	hello magnuse
07:57		hello all
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07:59	francharb	ho
07:59		hi
07:59	wahanui	hello, francharb
08:04	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.10.x build #29: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/29/
08:04		nengard: Bug 8945: Did you mean help file
08:04	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8945 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update
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08:55	* mveron	would like to mark Bug 9205 as RESOLVED WONTFIX
08:55	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , "No items available" is it awkward
08:58	kf	I think I can agree with that
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09:27	magnuse	mveron, kf: maybe it could be solved by using a .po file?
09:28	kf	yes, I think so, but they probably don't want to start their own english translation
09:50	magnuse	yeah, probably not
09:57	* mveron	will comment the suggestion with the .po file to Bug 9205 and then mark it as resolved
09:57	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , "No items available" is it awkward
10:06	magnuse	mveron++
10:07	mveron	:-)
10:08	* mveron	has to head away
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10:42	kf	jcamins_away: ping me when you are awake?
10:47		Search.pm?
10:47	wahanui	somebody said Search.pm was complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support.
10:47	kf	@karma Search.pm
10:47	huginn	kf: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
10:57	drojf	@karma search.pm
10:57	huginn	drojf: Karma for "search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
10:57	drojf	that is surprisingly not low enough ;)
11:04	magnuse	hehe
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11:07	magnuse	@karma C4::Search
11:07	huginn	magnuse: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 32 times for a total karma of -32.
11:07	magnuse	there you go :-)
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11:08	gerundio	hi, are the Mark framework fieldnames translatable?
11:13	kf	gerundio: yes, you can do so in the interface or you can create your own installer with translated sql files
11:15	gerundio	kf, by translated I meant if the field names are shown according to selected language for the UI
11:15		I have 2 languages available in my installation PT and EN
11:15	kf	gerundio: that is not possible I am afraid :( at the moment it's one langauge only for marc - the xslt for normal view are translatable
11:16	gerundio	ok, thanks a lot kf
11:17		a colleague of mine changed the fieldnames to PT and now at OPAC, in the MARC view, they are show in PT even if EN is selected
11:17		just wanted to make sure that is an expected behavior :)
11:17	kf	ah right
11:17	gerundio	btw, are you by any means a Zebra expert?
11:17	kf	they are stored in the database
11:17		pretty much everything from the database is one language only
11:17		not an expert, but you can try and ask anyway :)
11:21	gerundio	I'm getting some weird results on the search values
11:22		I've searched for "Nature" on my catalog and the 1st result doesn't even have that word in the 200a title field
11:23		I then went for the item MARC view and noticed that the word is present in the 200e field
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11:23	gerundio	is it possible to define relevance weights for the different fields so this doesn't happen?
11:25	kf	gerundio: you should talk about that to jcamins_away
11:25	gerundio	will do :) thanks again
11:26	kf	he is working on search features and a rewrite of the existing code that would allow that, he knows most about the search related code currently
11:26		search rewrite?
11:26	wahanui	search rewrite is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC
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12:13	drojf	oh meeting today. already had forgotten about it again.
12:15		paul_p_: around?
12:15	kf	same for me
12:15		er ist grade raus - aber vielleicht eh nur automatisch
12:15		lol
12:15	drojf	heh
12:16		er ist erst geflogen, nachdem er neu reingekommen ist :)
12:16	* drojf	ruft deutsch als kanalsprache aus
12:17	kf	:)
12:17		\o/
12:18		was ist mit deiner umfrage passiert?
12:18		what happened to your survey?
12:18	drojf	almost done
12:19		haha. windows. have to reboot. lol
12:19		brb
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12:23	magnuse	guten tag drojf
12:23	drojf	hei magnuse
12:24	magnuse	wie gehts?
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12:24	drojf	mir geht es gut, danke der nachfrage. und dir? :)
12:28	kf	drojf: don't say such things about magnuse!
12:28		only joking... of course :)
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12:37	tcohen	mornin' #koha
12:43	drojf	hi tcohen
12:43	tcohen	hi drojf
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12:47	drojf	is there some information on how to use koha with solr for non-devs available somewhere or would people have to go through rfcs and bugzilla?
12:48	kf	drojf: I think currently it's the wiki
12:48		I know rangi tried it out, you have to install lots of extra things but probably not too hard from there
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12:54	drojf	the things i can find on the wiki regarding koha&solr are not for "normal" people ;)
12:56	kf	clrh: around?
12:56		drojf: since when are you normal people?
12:57	drojf	a more normal person from the workshop asked about it ;)
12:57	kf	hm I think it's still experimental kind of
12:57		not sure it's recommendable for normal people yet
12:58	magnuse	normal people don't install koha :-)
12:58	drojf	there is a syspref in 3.10 i think, so it would be nice to at least find some info on what to do
12:58	kf	irspy?
12:58	wahanui	well, irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com.
13:00	magnuse	drojf, kf: did you have the workshop yet?
13:01	kf	drojf had the workshop, kf stayed at home and waited for news
13:05	drojf	magnuse: yes, it was a lot of fun. i think 10-12 people left with a brand new koha installation. so far i got only positive feedback
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13:06	tcohen	@later tell druthb_away: please try to log into druthbjacinto.unc.edu.ar
13:06	huginn	tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:06	drojf	paul_p__'s tail is growing
13:07	paul_p__	that's the beauty of having no more WIFI and moving from a meeting to another one...
13:08	drojf	paul_p__: heh. i'd have a mailing list question if you have a minute now or later
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13:08	magnuse	drojf: very cool!!
13:11		drojf: you'll tell about it in the next newsletter, right? ;-)
13:11	drojf	magnuse: of course kf did not tell you to ask that question :P
13:11		but yes, i will try to write a few sentences about it
13:11	magnuse	nooooo....
13:12		drojf++
13:13	paul_p	drojf = throw your question (i'm between 2 meetings ;-) )
13:13	kf	lol
13:15	drojf	paul_p: we would like to have a "main" german list 'Koha-de'. if i understand correctly, renaming the old list Koha-i18n-german would be a PITA. if so, could we get Koha-de additionally?
13:16		the old one was intended for translation stuff only and that scares regular library folk away
13:16	kf	I second that :)
13:16	drojf	i had several people at the workshop ask about it too
13:16	paul_p	drojf yes, of course, it's possible to have koha-delists.koha-community.org Could you please throw a mail to sysopbiblibre.com. That's lds that will take care of it (our sysop)
13:16	kf	same for the workshop we did earlier this year
13:17	drojf	paul_p: will do, thanks :)
13:20	tcohen	paul_p: the same applies for finally having koha-eslists.koha-community.org ?
13:31	drojf	in OAI set mappings, i can specify field values with "equal to". would having a negative (like 'value is not') be against OAI standards or is it just not implemented in koha?
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13:38	jcamins	Good morning, #koha.
13:39	drojf	hi jcamins
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13:47	drojf	shouldn't we kill the koha-win32 mailing list?
13:47	* jcamins	thinks it should have an auto-responder: "Koha does not work under Windows, sorry."
13:49	drojf	maybe in form of a daily out of office notice? :P
13:49	jcamins	lol
13:49		Exactly.
13:51	drojf	argh. "Error 503 - Server busy". no emails for drojf
13:52		one would think a university has working webmail available
13:56	jcamins	drojf: pfft. This one wouldn't. :P
13:56	magnuse	drojf: oai does not care how the sats are constructed as far as i know, so feel free to add 'value is not'
13:56	drojf	lol. ours is up again
13:57	magnuse	s/sats/sets/
13:57	drojf	magnuse: cool, thanks
13:59	kf	:)
13:59		jcamins: I left a message for jcamins_away...
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14:00	jcamins	kf: oh, I saw the instructions for gerundio to contact me, didn't realize you wanted me as well.
14:01	hdl	hi dpavlin around ?
14:01	drojf	leaving messages for someone_away to read when s/he is here is a funny thing ;)
14:01	hdl	Or anyone using Plack in production ?
14:01	jcamins	hdl: I'm using Plack for testing, but not production.
14:02	hdl	jcamins, have you tried preloading perlModules on Starman command-line ?
14:02	jcamins	hdl: let me check my config.
14:03		I am not, no.
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14:17	jcamins	What does BOR_NOTES do?
14:17	kf	ah
14:17		messages in borrower account
14:17		some defaults
14:17		the little pull down you have there
14:17		and sorry for bad grammar :)
14:17	jcamins	Ah-ha.
14:17		Thanks.
14:18	drojf	grammer is for loosers
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14:25	vfernandes	hi :)
14:31	hdl	hi vfernandez
14:31		hi vfernandes sorry
14:33		jcamins, dpavlin i tried this : PERL5LIB=/home/koha/src KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml starman -MFindBin -MC4::Context --workers 6 --port 5000 --pid /home/koha/var/run/starman_opac.pid /home/koha/src/opac.psgi 2>/home/koha/var/log/starman_opac.err >/home/koha/var/log/starman_opac.log
14:33		and it works.
14:33		And preload C4::Context,
14:34		rather than creating a mysql connection for every session, it could be used to federeate mysql connections.
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14:36	jcamins	hdl: I thought that loading C4::Context in the psgi file would do it.
14:36	* jcamins	will find out.
14:37	jcamins	It seems to.
14:38		Well- I have two active database connections.
14:38		Hm.
14:39		No, it doesn't work quite right.
14:43		How do I get the Asort1 values to be used in neworderempty?
14:44	kf	jcamins: not at all
14:44		hm or let me think
14:44		ah right
14:45		go to the fund
14:45		that you want to use
14:45		and select asort1 there as to be used for the first or second statistic value
14:45	jcamins	Ah-ha!
14:45	kf	I am sorry, my first reaction was not quite correct
14:45	jcamins	Got it, thanks. :)
14:45	kf	you are very welcome :)
14:45		I like helping you test thorougly :)
14:48	hdl	jcamins, we have done that too.
14:48		But it is showing more than 2 connections
14:48		to sql
14:49	jcamins	hdl: yeah, it turns out that didn't work quite as I thought.
14:53	gerundio	jcamins, is it possible to define relevance weights for the different MARC fields for the search?
14:53	jcamins	gerundio: not easily.
14:53	gerundio	I don't know if you had the chance to read what I was talking with kf earlier
14:53	jcamins	I did.
14:54		You could modify C4::Search::_build_weighted_query, but I can't recommend it.
14:54	gerundio	so it's normal to get those kind of results?
14:54	jcamins	Yes.
14:54	gerundio	modifying that doesn't sound good :D
14:54	jcamins	Fixing this is one of the goals of the search rewrite.
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14:56	* hdl	loves jcamins daydreaming.
14:56	* kf	loves it too, because it tends to get reality :)
14:57	jcamins	:)
14:59		Okay, I think I'm going to push bug 7919.
14:59	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
14:59	jcamins	I love the feature, and I can't seem to break it.
15:01	kf	:)
15:01		I love the idea too, even better when it works like described
15:03	vfernandes	the idea is to have different categories, etc for different libraries?
15:04	kf	and make them only see their categories I think
15:04	jcamins	I can think of some improvements, but I think the changes the proposed changes are reasonable, and work well.
15:04	kf	jcamins: you can still have categories for all libraries right?
15:04	jcamins	Yes.
15:04	kf	ok
15:04		so no regression for libraries, most important bit :)
15:04	jcamins	It doesn't change anything by default.
15:05	gerundio	bug 8347
15:05	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
15:05	gerundio	vfernandes, this is the bug to which you submitted a patch
15:05		the one we discussed yesterday
15:05	jcamins	At least, so far as I can tell from an hour of testing.
15:06	vfernandes	that seems a nice improvement jcamins
15:07	gerundio	I noticed that you addressed the occurences of 'frey50' in lib/C4/Biblio.pm
15:07		but I found more in lib/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm and lib/C4/Charset.pm
15:08		should those be handled in the patch too?
15:08	vfernandes	C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm - bug 9145
15:08	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
15:09	hdl	see you
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15:10	vfernandes	the lib/C4/Charset is used when?
15:10		the method SetMarcUnicodeFlag
15:11		i will change it in the bug 8347
15:11	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
15:13	gmcharlt	@quote random
15:13	huginn	gmcharlt: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
15:13	jcamins	Woohoo!
15:14		There are no bugs set to Passed QA.
15:14	gerundio	vfernandes, I went through alls the comments on both bugs
15:14		there's still something I don't understand
15:15	vfernandes	jcamins SetMarcUnicodeFlag is used where?
15:15	gerundio	you've added a new preference for the country code for UNIMARC in order to fix the hardcoded "fre" references
15:15	vfernandes	yes...
15:15	jcamins	gerundio: if it makes you feel any better, I don't understand either. It's UNIMARC. :P
15:15		vfernandes: I think every time a record is edited.
15:15		I'm not certain, though.
15:16	gerundio	but what should be the expected behavior if we set a default value in that subfield on the MARC framework editor?
15:16		I don't know if my question is clear enough
15:16	vfernandes	ok... if you set a default value for field 100 the default code will be used
15:16		*default value
15:17	gerundio	not sure about that
15:17		my default value is "        d        k||y0pory50      ba"
15:17		but the records are being populated with "        d        k||y0frey50      ba"
15:17		which means that por is being replaced with the fre value
15:17	vfernandes	using my code?
15:17	gerundio	which is understandable given the current source code
15:18		with your code it seems like the country code value will be replaced with whatever value we insert in the system preference
15:18		am I thinking this right?
15:18	vfernandes	yes
15:19		only if 100 is not filled
15:19	gerundio	so what happens if 100 is empty but we have a default value set?
15:19		it gets replaced the same way, right?
15:19	vfernandes	wait...
15:20	jcamins	Yes, because the default value applies only when you are editing a record.
15:20		So if you import a record without a 100 field, the 100 field will be populated with whatever you have set in the syspref.
15:20	vfernandes	if there is no 100, a new 100 field will be added to the record with the language set in the system preference
15:21	gerundio	I'm just looking at this from the programmer point of view, I don't have enough librarian knowledge to understand the context of these operations :p
15:21	clrh	drojf: did you found answers about koha & solr question ?
15:21	vfernandes	if there is a field 100, when editing shouldn't do nothing (uses the language already set in the field)
15:21	jcamins	gerundio: it's UNIMARC... I don't understand it at all anyway.
15:22	vfernandes	gerundio you problem happens with my patch?
15:22	gerundio	still haven't been able to test it
15:22		I'm setting up a new testing environment soon
15:22	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7919: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c8b49458a9e6be2c8> / Bug 7919: Followup: Fix plural and GetAuthvalueDropbox <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]26fb37f6fab0b157b> / Bug 7919 : Display of values depending on the connexion library <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]?p=koha.git;a=com
15:22	vfernandes	I will change Charset.pm to use the default language
15:24		my ($subflength,$encodingposition)=($ma​rc_flavour=~/AUTH/?(21,9):(36,22));    this line is killing me :P
15:24	drojf	clrh: i found http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ons_for_Koha#Solr.2FLucene_Record_Indexing_Se​rver_Aspect_of_Configuration are these files in 3.10? (i mean solr/indexes.pl and solr/mappings.pl)? and is there a list of prerequisites to install? i have to admit i haven't read all things on the wiki closely yet
15:25	gerundio	jcamins, yesterday you told me that the best way to correct all the occurences of the records on the DB was using a script
15:25	jcamins	gerundio: that would be my recommendation, y es.
15:25		*yes
15:26		I'd use the touch_all_biblios script as a model.
15:26	gerundio	wouldn't an update on the marcxml collumn of the biblioitems table be suffice?
15:26	clrh	drojf: today, iif you install everything in 3.10 to work with koha: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]hEngine_Layer_RFC you will have nice ui configuration for indexes, facets, mappings and a poc of simple opac search
15:27	jcamins	gerundio: not if you want your system to still work when you're done.
15:27	clrh	I would like, before investing (again) more time, see the zebra refactoring work going foreward (franglish?) because what is important is that the switch (search engine layer) would be fully functionnal
15:28		not sure to be clear
15:28	jcamins	clrh: "forward," but other than that, it was all correct English. :)
15:28	jenkins_koha	Starting build #967 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:28	drojf	clrh: thank you, i will have a look at it and return with more questions if needed :)
15:28	clrh	ok drojf you're welcome
15:28	drojf	clrh: your english is fine btw :)
15:29	clrh	thx jcamins  :)
15:29	* kf	agrees with jcamins and drojf
15:29	clrh	:)
15:30	kf	jcamins: so when are you done with the rewrite? :P
15:31	jcamins	kf: hehe.
15:37	vfernandes	Charset.pm changed on bug 8347... but it affects also bug 9145... what I should do?
15:37	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
15:37		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
15:40	gerundio	jcamins, what would stop working if I went for that shot in the DB?
15:40	vfernandes	sorry my bad... in authorities the method SetMarcUnicodeFlag isn't used... so the bugs aren't connect
15:41		gerundio Charset.pm is now updated...
15:41		:)
15:41	gerundio	well done vfernandes :)
15:42	jcamins	gerundio: chances are every single record would be corrupted.
15:43	gerundio	is that value stored elsewhere or just in that field on that particular table?
15:43	jcamins	It's in biblioitems.marcxml and biblioitems.marc.
15:44		Seriously, I absolutely will not help you if you insist on modifying the database directly.
15:44	vfernandes	gerundio you should develop a script to do that...
15:45	gerundio	jcamins, I won't insist, I'm just trying to understand it :)
15:45	jcamins	gerundio: good.
15:46		Koha uses the marc and marcxml fields in different places.
15:46	vfernandes	is very easy to transform a record in a MARC::Record object and then modify fields/subfields
15:47		marcxml and marc will be automatically updated after using the ModBiblio
15:47	jcamins	Also, direct database manipulation will screw up your indexes.
15:49	gerundio	jcamins, implication in the indexes was what I was thinking could be one of the problems
15:49		thanks for confirming :)
15:49	jcamins	gerundio: yeah, you can address that by reindexing.
15:50		But it's not ideal, and the marc/marcxml distinction is a lot more pernicious.
15:56		clrh: does BibLibre have a demo of the complete Solr search?
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15:57	jcamins	(as opposed to just what is in Master)
15:57	clrh	jcamins: some months ago yep, I can search
15:57		jcamins: about solr ful in biblibre version ?
15:57		ok community vesion ?
15:58		I think I have both somewhere
15:58	jcamins	I particularly want to see the BibLibre version.
15:59	clrh	jcamins: ok 2 sec
16:03		jcamins: ve started: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]2-May/037298.html pro index configuration has a better ergonomy I think in community
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16:05	jcamins	Thanks.
16:23	reiveune	bye
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16:24	rambutan	@meeting
16:24	huginn	rambutan: I suck
16:25	libsysguy	heh
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16:37	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #967: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/967/
16:37		* dcook: Bug 9130 - Remove old javascript from Parcel
16:37		* dcook: Bug 9130 follow up: add statesave cookie and "all" option for parcel drop-down menu
16:37		* jonathan.druart: Bug 7919 : Display of values depending on the connexion library
16:37		* jonathan.druart: Bug 7919: Followup: Fix plural and GetAuthvalueDropbox
16:37	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Remove old javascript from Parcel
16:37	jenkins_koha	* jcamins: Bug 7919: Increment version number
16:37	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
16:39	jcamins	Hm.
16:39		That passes on my system.
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16:46	jcamins	Oooh.
16:46		I see the problem.
16:46		PERL5LIB was set wrong.
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17:06	rambutan	I want a Koha conference like this one for $414 USD: http://www.doubleradius.com/wi[…]tlimits/home.html
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17:52	gerundio	jcamins, I've been studying the touch_all_biblios like you recommended
17:53		the only thing to change would be to remove the unecessary code before the DB query prepare line
17:54	jcamins	gerundio: no, the only thing you need to change is add in some code to modify the record after GetMarcBiblio.
17:55		Remember the chief virtue of the programmer: laziness!
17:55	gerundio	and inside the while replace the code after the GetMarcBiblio with something like the code for field update in the UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl script
17:56		would this be a good approach?
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17:58	jcamins	Yes, though your code for modifying the field should be pretty simple.
17:58		Ooh, it's time for a meeting.
17:58		Guess who is not chairing it?
17:59	libsysguy	yup
17:59	jcamins	That's right, me.
17:59	libsysguy	not it
17:59	jcamins	I am _not_ chairing it.
17:59	* druthb	nominates cait.
17:59	jcamins	cait++
17:59	druthb	cait++
18:00	slef	@seen cait
18:00	huginn	slef: cait was last seen in #koha 10 hours, 13 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <cait> bbl
18:02	drojf	hey huginn, cait is in the channel?!
18:02	* slef	enquires about druthb chairing...?
18:02	drojf	blind bot
18:02		cait: you know you want to
18:03	slef	*** cait has been idle for 00:00.27
18:03		hmm
18:03		you can run, but you can't hide from the server
18:03	libsysguy	nominates druthb
18:03		she can run the meeting with her poking stick
18:03	druthb	she's here.  I could do it, I s'pose.
18:03	talljoy	oooooo
18:03	* thd	is suffering from the flu and wants a refund on the influenza vaccine.
18:04	drojf	thd: did you get the flu right after vaccination? that seems to be more common than people think
18:04	jcamins	druthb++ # since cait is a more effective hider
18:04	slef	drojf: the vaccination is the flu, isn't it?
18:05	drojf	slef: technically, yes, of course. a little flu
18:05	druthb	I will get her for this.  I will.    If there is no objection, I'll take it.
18:05	talljoy	yay druthb
18:05	druthb	@later tell cait you owe me, babe.
18:05	huginn	druthb: The operation succeeded.
18:05	libsysguy	doo eet
18:05	druthb	#startmeeting
18:05	huginn	Meeting started Wed Dec  5 18:05:46 2012 UTC.  The chair is druthb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:05		Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
18:05	wahanui	if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:05	talljoy	^ ?
18:05	wahanui	^ is what I think too
18:06	druthb	#info introductions
18:06	libsysguy	#info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions: Houston Tx
18:06	druthb	#topic introductions
18:06	wahanui	#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:06		Topic for #koha is now introductions
18:06	thd	drojf: No< I merely have the unreasonable expectation of immunity from vaccines.
18:06	druthb	#info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater, Lawrence, KS, TM 3.12
18:06	talljoy	#info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions
18:06	jcamins	#info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12
18:06	davidnind	#info David Nind, Wellington, NZ
18:06	drojf	#info Mirko Tietgen, HU Berlin
18:06	slef	#info MJ Ray, software.coop member, Norfolk, England, past RMaint
18:06	thd	#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:06	bag	#info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions having THE FUN
18:06	* slef	asks bag to pass a beer
18:06	nancyk	#info Nancy Keener Reno
18:07	rhcl	#info RHCL = Rolling Hills Consolidated Library - Greg
18:07	bag	noice
18:07	* druthb	wields her pointy stick and evil librarian glasses, putting her hair into a bun.
18:07	gmcharlt	#info Galen CHarlton, Equinox Software
18:07	druthb	#topic announcements not otherwise on the agenda, which is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_5_December_2012
18:07		Topic for #koha is now announcements not otherwise on the agenda, which is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_5_December_2012
18:08	druthb	#info There will be a newer, faster Pootle server in the next couple of days.  Kudos and hugs to tcohen for help with that.
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18:08	talljoy	tcohen++
18:08	jcamins	tcohen++
18:08	libsysguy	@karma tcohen
18:08	cait	tcohen++ druthb++ :)
18:08	huginn	libsysguy: Karma for "tcohen" has been increased 51 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 51.
18:08	druthb	Anyone else have short announcements of general interest to the Koha community?
18:08	khall	#info Kyle M Hall, ByWater, Meadville, PA
18:08	JDatTeTakere	#info jdattetakere
18:09	drojf	for a second i thought i had seen cait
18:09	cait	#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
18:09		sorry, I thought the meeting started at 8!
18:09	druthb	#topic 3.8 update
18:09		Topic for #koha is now 3.8 update
18:09	drojf	its cet, not cest anymore :P
18:10	druthb	News on 3.8?  Probably the wrong time of day for those folks.
18:10	jcamins	Chris is not here, but so far as I know there will be a string freeze on the fifteenth and 3.8.8 will be released on the twenty-second.
18:10	cait	I can take over - or eat my dinner while druthb chairs :)
18:10	libsysguy	if the world still stands :p
18:10	talljoy	lol
18:10	slef	It'd be nice if a short update could be put in the agenda just in case they're not here.
18:10	druthb	eat your dinner, cait; I've already got my pointy stick out to poke things along with.
18:11		#info jcamins reports that as far as he knows there will be a string freeze on the fifteenth and 3.8.8 will be released on the twenty-second.
18:11	slef	druthb: just beat me to it!
18:11	druthb	:P
18:11	* druthb	is a fast typist.
18:11	* slef	is doing 3 things at once :-/
18:11	druthb	#topic 3.10 update
18:11		Topic for #koha is now 3.10 update
18:12	druthb	3.10, anyone?
18:12	cait	RM?
18:12	wahanui	somebody said RM was busy :) or paul_p
18:12	jcamins	#info Koha 3.10.0 was released on November 23/24. 3.10.1 will be released on December 22.
18:13	drojf	what's with the broken package installation? is there going to be a 3.10.0-1? (or -2 or how it is numbered?)
18:13	slef	drojf: it would be 3.10.0-2
18:13		drojf: after the - is packaging version
18:13		drojf: broken? :)
18:13	jcamins	drojf: yes, if the patch is signed off and QAed, which I believe we are still waiting on.
18:13	slef	I missed this
18:13	drojf	jcamins: ah i see
18:13	slef	bug number please?
18:14	drojf	slef: wrong path of some files makes OPAC broken
18:14	jcamins	#info Bug 9052 should be signed off and QAed ASAP since it breaks the 3.10 packages.
18:14	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages
18:14	druthb	jcamins++
18:14	slef	#link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9052
18:14	huginn	04Bug 9052: blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages
18:14	druthb	Anything else about 3.10 out there to fret over?
18:15	slef	I may be in a place to review that in a few minutes. Is there a QA who can follow me?
18:15	druthb	Grooooovy.  Moving right along:
18:15		#topic 3.12
18:15		Topic for #koha is now 3.12
18:15	* druthb	cues up "Hail to the Chief"
18:15	jcamins	We'll get mtj to do it.
18:16		#info We are about two weeks into the release cycle of 3.12.
18:16	cait	good plan
18:16	jcamins	#info At this point there is no backlog of patches that have Passed QA, but there is a backlog of patches awaiting QA and awaiting sign off.
18:17	* cait	agrees
18:17	jcamins	#info I have written up guidelines on commit messages.
18:17		(looking now)
18:17		#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages
18:17		#info We have also updated the general coding guidelines somewhat.
18:17	slef	jcamins: can that link be in the HACKING file in the repository, please?
18:17	jcamins	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines
18:18	cait	HACKING file?
18:18	jcamins	I don't think we have a HACKING file.
18:18		#todo Add a HACKING file to the Koha repo.
18:18	cait	slef: I tend to agree with jcamins, first time ever I heard about htat
18:18	vfernandes	jcamins when you wrote this page?
18:18	slef	we should. It's one of the GNU files, alongside README, INSTALL, Changelog
18:18	jcamins	vfernandes: the commit message page?
18:18		Last week.
18:19	vfernandes	ohh because I never know what to write when submitting a patch :)
18:19	jcamins	If I am able to understand what's going on with a patch, I will not ask for it to be revised.
18:19	cait	it also helps the QA team a lot - documentation++
18:19	vfernandes	nice :)
18:20	jcamins	However, if decrypting the commit message or divining the intent of the patch looks to be a time-consuming project, I will fail a patch for lack of commit message.
18:20	vfernandes	that will help me in future a lot
18:20	slef	hmm, I thought it was in http://www.gnu.org/prep/mainta[…]l_node/index.html but it's not
18:21	jcamins	#info jcamins intends to continue updating and fleshing out the coding guidelines, so it is easier for new (and experienced) developers to figure out what to do.
18:21		I do intend to continue Paul's monthly RM newsletters.
18:21	drojf	yeah!
18:21	cait	jcamins++
18:21	gmcharlt	newsletters++
18:21	druthb	jcamins++
18:22	vfernandes	in my next patches I will set the commit messages correctly... jcamins++
18:22	druthb	Awesomeness.  Anything else, jcamins?
18:22	cait	maybe I can add a few things?
18:22	jcamins	And I plan to roll tarballs of monthly previews, and talk to eythian about updating the packages at the same time so that if a non-developer wants to see what they can look forward to, they can do so easily.
18:22		And that's all from me.
18:23	druthb	Great.  cait?
18:23	cait	unit tests for new routines are mandatory now - if you are not sure how to do  it, I think there will be people to help you with it
18:23	slef	jcamins: maybe README.developer is a better name?
18:23	* jcamins	might be one of those people.
18:23	cait	there is also a new 'rule' that qa and patch should be done by different parties, extending our existing set of rules a bit
18:24		we will try to stick to that, with being less strict for patches wiating for longer than 1 month
18:24		also my usual reminder to everyone: please remember that signing off is as important as providing patches
18:25		and fixing bugs is always more important than new features ;)
18:25	jcamins	cait++
18:25	slef	my usual worry is I don't like being mean and I'm afraid I will be, finding bugs in fixes :-/
18:25	cait	ok, I think that's it from me :)
18:25	jcamins	slef: this might put your mind at ease:
18:25	druthb	All right.  Anything else on 3.12?
18:26	vfernandes	fixing bugs is more important, but new features are always welcome :P
18:26	cait	I don't like being mean too - it's not nice to fail patches, but if you provide good reason it should be ok :)
18:26	jcamins	if you don't fail it, I will.
18:26	libsysguy	jcamins the gate keeper
18:26	druthb	#topic KohaCon2013
18:26		Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2013
18:26	druthb	nancyk, you're up.
18:27	nancyk	#info We are in the last stage of hotel negotiations.  After that, I will be getting volunteers together to plan.
18:27		not much to tell yet
18:27	vfernandes	when KohaCon2013 will be? sorry for don't know :/
18:27	druthb	Still working October, yes?  But dates remain un-firm at this point?
18:27	cait	is the date set now?
18:28	nancyk	looks like mid october
18:28	druthb	All right.  Anything else you'd like to mention, ask for, or rant about, nancyk?
18:29	nancyk	Not yet.
18:29	druthb	Okie dokie.  Questions from the floor?
18:29		I love easy meetings.
18:29	slef	nope
18:29	druthb	#topic Vote on license change.
18:29		Topic for #koha is now Vote on license change.
18:29	druthb	So much for an easy meeting.
18:30	libsysguy	heh
18:30	vfernandes	is there any schedule for koha 3.12 release?
18:30	thd	Sorry that I had missed the recent mailing list discussion of the license upgrade issue admist all the systems needing repair after last month's storm.
18:30	drojf	lol
18:30	slef	ah this is why cait was hiding :)
18:30	jcamins	vfernandes: yes, we remain on schedule for May 22, 2013.
18:30	thd	Unfortunately, we cannot meaningfully pursue upgarding the license without resolving the issue over the OpenNCIP GPL 2 license invocation omission of an upgrade clause.
18:30	jcamins	thd: but that has been resolved.
18:30	slef	jcamins: got link?
18:30	jcamins	OpenNCIP is licensed GPLv2+.
18:30	thd	When was that resolved?
18:30	jcamins	gmcharlt: do you have it handy?
18:30	druthb	Okay, this has been *beaten to death* over the last couple of years on the mailing list.  If you have something *new*, bring it.  If you don't, keep your peace, please.
18:30	jcamins	thd: six months ago?
18:31	slef	druthb: can we allow tying up loose ends?
18:31	druthb	certainly.
18:31	jcamins	thd: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/035334.html
18:31	gmcharlt	jcamins: yes, it's been resolved
18:31	jcamins	#link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/035334.html
18:31	gmcharlt	and that's indeed the link
18:31	vfernandes	I have to go, bye :)
18:31	slef	vfernandes: bye!
18:32	druthb	Any other loose ends or new issues/concerns that haven't been flogged already?
18:33	thd	gmcharlt: That message did not indicate to me that the issue had been resolved.
18:33	cait	I think the currenct license is an issue for using bootstrap and maybe other things
18:33		so we need to decide how to decide it - for real this time
18:33	jcamins	Yes.
18:33	slef	anyone remember the last threads, for the record?
18:33	gmcharlt	thd: I disagree -- but I suggest we take this on to the mailing list
18:34	cait	could we agree to have a vote on this next meeting?
18:34	thd	cait: We had an entire meeting on a license upgrade voting procedure.
18:34	druthb	heck, I thought that's what we were gonna do *this* time, cait.
18:34	slef	when would we be aiming to relicense by? 3.12.0?
18:34	jcamins	Yes.
18:34	libsysguy	tomorrow
18:34	wahanui	i heard tomorrow was pizza friday! or the day after today.
18:35	cait	hm could we already start working on things like bootstrap in the repo before release?
18:35	* druthb	pokes libsysguy with the pointy stick.
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18:35	jcamins	thd: if you have actual concerns, I encourage you to bring them to the mailing list and *resolve* them.
18:36		Otherwise, we are just spending a half an hour every month doing nothing.
18:36	slef	I'm not finding this on koha-devel in Sep or Oct, now trying Nov
18:36		ah found it!
18:36		#link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038454.html
18:36	druthb	slef++
18:36	thd	The actual concern I have is that the license of OpenNCIP has not changed.
18:37		http://openncip.cvs.sourceforg[…]wvc/openncip/src/
18:37	oleonard	#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
18:37	slef	#link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]se-td5732930.html
18:37		thd: a later statement from the licensor would take priority, no?
18:37	thd	There is no file reflecting a change in the license invocation posted to the code repository.
18:38		slef: Yes, but that would need to actually be from the party holding copyright and not merely another interested party.
18:39	jcamins	Okay, so what I'm hearing is that we're not making any progress. Mailing list, please?
18:39	cait	can we still announce a vote on this next meeting?
18:39	druthb	concur.  We'll bump this *again*.
18:39	slef	thd: true, so are you proposing an amendment that we'll change once the OpenNCIP project actually changes their published licence or we stop using OpenNCIP?
18:39	gmcharlt	cait: perhaps a straw vote?
18:39	oleonard	Are there actual objections to the upgrade in principle or just concerns over the details?
18:39	cait	no, but given it is resolved by then, could we have a vote?
18:39		i fear we will bump this.. forever.
18:39	thd	I will take my question about whether the openncip license has actually changed to the mailing list so we can discuss what to do if it has in fact changed properly.
18:39	cait	without setting deadlines
18:40	slef	I'd rather vote now, with an amendment making it conditional on resolving OpenNCIP one way or the other.
18:40	jcamins	slef++
18:40	druthb	slef++
18:40	gmcharlt	agreed
18:40	talljoy	slef++
18:40	libsysguy	slef++
18:40	druthb	Suits me.  Objection?
18:40	oleonard	slef++
18:40	thd	cait: We had a procedure for upgrading the license which is documented in the wiki.
18:40	cait	slef++
18:40	druthb	link?
18:40	cait	thd: and it didn't work
18:41	oleonard	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]opyright_license?
18:41	thd	cait: It could not be put forward because the issue was moot in consequence of openncip.
18:41	slef	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]copyright_license
18:41	thd	oleonard ++
18:41	* slef	arrives at the same point at oleonard
18:42	druthb	Holy shmoley--that's forever and a week ago.
18:42	slef	huginn: query openncip
18:42	cait	i think what we are talking now is different than before too
18:42	huginn	slef: No results for "openncip."
18:42	cait	we just want to switch from 2 to 3
18:42		as I see it
18:42	slef	ok, can someone report openncip to bugs.koha-community.org please?
18:42	cait	and are not discussing different licenses
18:42	slef	(thd? report openncip to bugs.koha-community.org?)
18:42	oleonard	Yeah I don't think anyone is lobbying for AGPL3+ this time around
18:42	cait	so we can make this a simpler process
18:43	thd	oleonard: I am
18:43	slef	thd: that's not the published proposal this time.
18:43	libsysguy	of course
18:43	jcamins	Let's focus on one step at a time, and just upgrade to GPLv3+?
18:43	cait	+1
18:43	oleonard	+1
18:43	talljoy	+1
18:43	druthb	Okay, I'm gonna bring this around, right now--it's beyond past time.  Let's vote.  It's been moved that we move to GPL 3+, with two amenedments in the agenda, plus the one that this is dependent on resolution of the openncip issue.
18:43	jcamins	Per the proposal that has been mooted.
18:43	rangi	+1
18:43	libsysguy	+1
18:43	slef	so maybe the openncip thing can wait and block a later upgrade.
18:43	oleonard	Doing so does not prevent us from arguing over AGPL3+ later
18:43	jcamins	+1
18:43	drojf	+1
18:43	druthb	+1
18:44	* slef	thinks about this a moment
18:44	davidnind	+1
18:44	thd	+1 However, should there not be a community wide vote?
18:44	khall	+1
18:44	talljoy	isn't this that?
18:44	bag	+1
18:44	edveal	+1
18:44	talljoy	+1
18:44	slef	hehehe
18:44	druthb	Community wide meeting, published agenda.  If they care, they should be here.
18:44	cait	i think if we advertise this, anyone intersted can show up next meeting
18:45	gmcharlt	+1
18:45	druthb	Any nays?
18:45	slef	oh drat
18:45	thd	Am I reconnected?
18:45	cait	yes
18:45	slef	my question in http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038484.html remains unanswer
18:46		ed - basically, is the upgrade even necessary? ;-)
18:46	druthb	#agreed GPLv3+, as of 3.12.0, with two exceptions, and pending the openncip issue.
18:46	jcamins	slef: yes, because we are upgrading the distribution license.
18:46	slef	-1
18:47	druthb	#topic Actions from general IRC meeting last month
18:47		Topic for #koha is now Actions from general IRC meeting last month
18:47	druthb	"libsysguy to publish repo of his mechanized testing suite"  ?
18:48	* libsysguy	has changed his mind and is instead pursuing Selenium tests
18:48	* druthb	snorts.
18:48	rhcl	+1
18:48	libsysguy	but will publish those as they are written
18:48	druthb	Awesome.
18:48		"Find out if we can set Bugzilla permissions so that only the QA team can mark things "Passed QA""  ?
18:48	libsysguy	also, I would like to welcome anyone else to write them as well
18:48	jcamins	druthb: doesn't seem to be doable, so we'll survive without.
18:49	druthb	all righty then.
18:49		#topic Miscellaneous -- Wiki spam
18:49		Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous -- Wiki spam
18:49	cait	I think any test is good, whatever you use for writing them
18:49		that was me - I noticed we still got a big spam problem
18:49		and people spend a lot of time cleaning up
18:49	* gmcharlt	jumps in with a proposal -- a call for volunteers to manually approve wiki user registrations
18:49	cait	that could be much better used
18:50		and I support gmcharlt's proposal for that reason :)
18:50	* oleonard	hopes to start writing tests for JavaScript if he can integrate what he learned over the last couple of days
18:50	rangi	Me too
18:50	slef	gmcharlt: me, as long as we can do it without mailbombing me :)
18:50	rangi	Having deleted 116 pages
18:50	cait	would be nice to get people from different timezones
18:50	gmcharlt	slef: indeed - *multiple* volunteers, I should point out :)
18:50	rangi	In the last month
18:50	druthb	gmcharlt has made a proposal--does anyone *not* like that idea?
18:51	cait	how do you see if it's a real person? form the chosen user name?
18:51	druthb	...anyone think they have a *better* idea?
18:51	rangi	And of quit doing that so vote yes
18:51		Or clean it urself
18:51		:)
18:51	cait	rangi: I think we are not voting, we just silently agreed :P
18:51	thd	Do we not have automation to better assist with the problem?
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18:51	gmcharlt	cait: yeah, that's one of the ways
18:52		nengard joined #koha
18:52	cait	gmcharlt: as it was my idea... sign me up
18:52	gmcharlt	thd: what mediawiki provides has thus far been insufficient without imposing draconian captchas
18:52	slef	oh, could we add something like "please put a message for the moderators here saying what you'll do" and a message to the thank-you saying to ask on-list if moderators are very very slow ;-)
18:52	thd	There are antispam extensions.
18:52	slef	thd: got links?
18:52	cait	well your solution really, I only wondered about the spam :)
18:52	rangi	Look
18:52	talljoy	o.o
18:53	rangi	Can we just do the moderation
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18:53	* jcamins	moves that if there are antispam extensions we could use, they should be considered for later, and in the meantime we should take advantage of the people willing to do moderation.
18:53	slef	far too many mediawiki "antispam" extensions I've seen have little to do with testing spamminess and :-/
18:53	rangi	You guys can then argue for months after that
18:53	druthb	#agreed the wiki will be set to moderate registration--and cait and slef have volunteered to help with that.  Other vols are welcome.
18:53	rangi	About automation
18:53	oleonard	I volunteer as well
18:53	rangi	It's been 2 years already
18:53	thd	rangi: By moderation do you mean that all updates would by pending approval?
18:53	cait	druthb: now we only got 'europe' covered
18:53	druthb	beats nothing.
18:54	cait	oleonard++
18:54	druthb	oleonard++
18:54	rangi	I volunteer
18:54	thd	s/by/be/
18:54	* gmcharlt	volunteers
18:54	davidnind	I volunteer to help as well
18:54	rangi	No just users thd
18:54	slef	thd: "moderate registration"
18:54	druthb	rangi++  davidnind++
18:54	cait	rangi++ gmcharlt++ and davidnind++
18:54	druthb	#info davidnind, rangi, oleonard volunteered as well.  Kudos to all of 'em.
18:54		All right, moving along.
18:55		#topic Miscellaneous --disabled features review
18:55		Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous --disabled features review
18:55	jcamins	That's mine.
18:55		This does not require a vote, nor discussion.
18:55	druthb	jcamins has the floor.
18:55	jcamins	(nice, huh?)
18:55	oleonard	I vote yes!
18:55	drojf	-1
18:55		:P
18:55	druthb	jcamins++
18:55	cait	sorry, what does it mean?
18:55	jcamins	I wanted to suggest that people start thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be.
18:56		For example, ExtendedPatronAttributes is disabled by default.
18:56	cait	aah
18:56		enhancedmessaging
18:56	rangi	Case by case basis
18:56	slef	#action people start thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be
18:56	jcamins	However, even if you enable it, it doesn't do anything without further consideration.
18:56		*configuration
18:56	gmcharlt	good thought -- for example, I'd been in favor of enabling both mentioned by default
18:56	rangi	Yep and open bugs to change then?
18:56	slef	does enhancedmessaging still email you every day if it's enabled and not configured correctly?
18:56	rangi	Yes
18:56	jcamins	So I wanted people to think about things that shouldn't be disabled, and file bugs (and provide patches) about them.
18:57		slef: so that would be one that shouldn't be enabled by default.
18:57	druthb	rangi++  #these are minor annoyances when setting up a box, nothing more.  A bug and patch to fix them should do.
18:57	rangi	(to slef)
18:57	slef	rangi: I thing that behaviour would need changing then.
18:57	rangi	Yep
18:57	jcamins	Or we leave it disabled. Which is fine.
18:57		Disabled features are not a bad thing.
18:57	slef	!!:s/thing/think
18:57	jcamins	It's just pointlessly disabling features which is pointless.
18:57		And that's all I had.
18:57	rangi	So bug would fail :-)
18:57		Easy peasy
18:58	cait	it mails without any configuration for patron categories?
18:58	druthb	Awesomeness.    Okay, we're at the end of the agenda for this meeting, other than fixing the time for our next.
18:58		#topic next meeting time?
18:58		Topic for #koha is now next meeting time?
18:58	rangi	Cait: discuss on bug :)
18:58	cait	ok :)
18:58	oleonard	January 9?
18:58	slef	9th at 10 UTC?
18:58	rangi	Wfm
18:59	slef	if it's the usual pattern
18:59	rangi	Yep
18:59	* slef	checks his calendar ;)
18:59	drojf	i think it is
18:59	jcamins	+1
18:59	drojf	and it's 11 for cait :P
18:59	druthb	January 9, 2013, at 10:00 UTC, it is.
18:59	* cait	ignores drojf
18:59	druthb	Thank you all for your participation.
18:59		#endmeeting
18:59		Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 5 December 2012 18:00 UTC
18:59	huginn	Meeting ended Wed Dec  5 18:59:41 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
18:59		Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-05-18.05.html
18:59		Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-12-05-18.05.txt
18:59		Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]05-18.05.log.html
18:59	drojf	cait: ignore me and be late :P
18:59		no chair for you
19:00	cait	you are so mean
19:00	slef	would people like meetbot to count votes?
19:00	cait	no cookies for drojf!
19:00	* druthb	unpins her hair from the bun, and puts away her glasses and pointy stick.
19:00	drojf	no i'm not. i just want to hear "you are right"
19:00	druthb	slef:  Yes, that'd be awesome!
19:00	gmcharlt	slef: yes
19:00	slef	I've asked gmcharlt and he's willing to change the module over.
19:00	cait	be prepared to live without coookies for a long time then
19:00	oleonard	druthb++ # Well-chaired!
19:00	cait	druthb++ :)
19:00	drojf	druthb++
19:01	talljoy	druthb++
19:01	slef	Would we want secret-at-time-of-voting-but-published-at-end votes?
19:01	davidnind	druthb++
19:01	druthb	It's possible, but I'd think it very rare.
19:01	slef	if that makes sense... too many hyphens... bad adjective
19:01	drojf	cait: unfair. punishment by no-cookies should be ruled out by some law i am going to make up
19:01	cait	heh
19:02		just agree with me that timezones are confusing... and oyu are back on the cookie list
19:02	druthb	Thanks, folks.
19:02	rambutan	druthb++
19:02	rangi	We never have before
19:02	drojf	i never disagreed with that
19:02	rangi	For irc meetings
19:02	slef	rangi: is that to me?
19:02	drojf	i dont trust voting computers and bots
19:02	rangi	Yep
19:02	druthb	huginn: botsnack cookie
19:02	huginn	druthb: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
19:02	cait	I like the open votes
19:02		better not have an option
19:02	drojf	how do i know it does not make up the votes if its secret?
19:02	slef	drojf: it would publish who voted how at the close of the vote
19:03		drojf: so if it stole your vote, you can object then ;)
19:03	drojf	ah ok. people would probably notice :)
19:03	druthb	cait:  meeting-chairsnack?
19:03	rangi	What's the advantage?
19:03	drojf	anyway, i don't need it. isn't that just some toy that may break?
19:03	rambutan	is it not possible to both show votes publicly and have a tally?
19:03	slef	rangi: stops you being influenced by the other votes ;)
19:04	jcamins	slef: is that a concern?
19:04	drojf	slef: if people don't want to make up their own minds, i dont care
19:04	slef	jcamins: I don't know. I'm not saying whether I agree with it. I did code it because someone else was concerned.
19:04	drojf	i suppose who doesn't care does not bother to actually vote
19:04	rangi	Public vote + tally sounds good to me
19:04	gmcharlt	+1
19:04	cait	druthb meeting-chairsnack bowl of cookies
19:05		+1 from me too
19:05	slef	gmcharlt: ok, so I think we want https://github.com/openstack-ci/meetbot
19:05	gmcharlt	slef: ok
19:05	slef	gmcharlt: which is documented at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html
19:05	druthb	:)
19:05	slef	anyone would think I did democracy as part of my day job ;)
19:06	thd	gmcharlt: Sorry that I had overlooked the portion of the quoted message from Elizabeth McKinney where she asserts the change for GPLS.
19:06	slef	thd: is GPLS the only copyright holder?
19:06	thd	slef: exactly
19:06	slef	thd: hehehe *bonk*
19:07		(sound of a man laughing his head off)
19:07	rangi	Well that's that solved :)
19:07	slef	;-)
19:07	thd	slef gmcharlt: I had misread the message becouse of the reference to other copyright holders.
19:07	slef	thd: I missed it too. np
19:08	thd	gmcharlt: Do either Joe Atzberger, David Fiander, or Dan Scott hold any independent copyright interest from GPLS in openncip?
19:09	gmcharlt	David Fiander does not
19:09		Joe and Dan do, but I can readily get consent from them
19:09	jcamins	gmcharlt: it's already been given.
19:09	thd	I had periodically been checking the CVS repository to check for changes and seeing none I assumed none.
19:09	gmcharlt	the CVS repo is a dead issue
19:10		git://git.evergreen-ils.org/SIPServer
19:10	jcamins	http://libmail.georgialibrarie[…]April/004662.html
19:10		http://libmail.georgialibrarie[…]April/004661.html
19:10		http://libmail.georgialibrarie[…]April/004660.html
19:11	drojf	that was easy all of a sudden
19:11	slef	drojf: the meeting's over. That happens. ;-)
19:12		huginn joined #koha
19:12	slef	gmcharlt: lost access to the unload and load commands?
19:13	drojf	slef: will you be taking care of bug 9052?
19:13	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages
19:14	thd	gmcharlt: COPYING.TXT still needs an update, http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?[…]ddec0020c;hb=HEAD
19:14	slef	drojf: if I do, it'll be in the next hour
19:14		next 45 minutes
19:15	gmcharlt	#startmeeting
19:15	wahanui	if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
19:15	huginn	gmcharlt: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
19:15	gmcharlt	#startmeeting test vote
19:15	huginn	Meeting started Wed Dec  5 19:15:12 2012 UTC.  The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:15		Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:15		Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: test vote)
19:15	huginn	The meeting name has been set to 'test_vote'
19:15	gmcharlt	#topic answer a pressing question
19:15		Topic for #koha is now answer a pressing question (Meeting topic: test vote)
19:15	slef	oh yeah, it titles meetings
19:15		I forgot huginn didn't
19:15	gmcharlt	#startvote Who rules?  Kittens, Puppies
19:15	huginn	Begin voting on: Who rules? Valid vote options are Kittens, Puppies.
19:15		Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
19:15	slef	#vote Kittens
19:15	gmcharlt	#vote Kittens
19:15	druthb	#vote Kittens
19:16	jcamins	#vote Kittens
19:16	oleonard	#vote Puppies
19:16	drojf	#vote Kittens
19:16	slef	#showvote
19:16	rangi	#vote puppies
19:16	huginn	Puppies (1): oleonard
19:16		Kittens (5): gmcharlt, jcamins, drojf, slef, druthb
19:16	oleonard	Had to have an opposition didn't we?
19:16	gmcharlt	now that I have the result I want... :)
19:16		#endvote
19:16	slef	oleonard: splitter!
19:16	huginn	Voted on "Who rules?" Results are
19:16		Puppies (2): oleonard, rangi
19:16		Kittens (5): gmcharlt, jcamins, drojf, slef, druthb
19:16	gmcharlt	#endmeeting
19:16		Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 5 December 2012 18:00 UTC
19:16	huginn	Meeting ended Wed Dec  5 19:16:43 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:16		Minutes:        koha/2012/koha.2012-12-05-19.15.html
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19:16		Log:            koha/2012/koha.2012-12-05-19.15.log.html
19:16	slef	#agreed Kittens rule
19:16		oh well
19:17	druthb	Cats rule; dogs drool.
19:17	* oleonard	concedes that puppies indeed drool
19:17	slef	gmcharlt: config needs http://meetings.koha-community.org/ again :-/
19:17	* thd	is not allergic to drool :)
19:17	slef	and generally putting in the right place for that
19:18	drojf	i think i asked that before, but how would i test a package bug like bug 9052? if i ever did, it did not involve actually rolling the package.
19:19	jcamins	drojf: I'd just roll a package.
19:19	drojf	then maybe i never did :)
19:19		the last time i wanted to try how to make packages from git the sd card in the raspberry pi died, i never tried again
19:20	gaetan_B	bye
19:20	jcamins	lol
19:20	slef	rangi: I'm a bit worried about this tv programme http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01p7q2l.mp (War on Britain's Roads) is going to be full of what you call asshats.
19:21	rangi	I suspect so
19:21	slef	rangi: we had a budget today, so it's the day for such hattery.
19:22		amusingly, identica made the shortlink for where I was commenting http://ur1.ca/bum80
19:22	rangi	Ahh hehe
19:22	gmcharlt	#startmeeting testy-testy
19:22	huginn	Meeting started Wed Dec  5 19:22:38 2012 UTC.  The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:22		Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:22		Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: testy-testy)
19:22	huginn	The meeting name has been set to 'testy_testy'
19:22	gmcharlt	#endmeeting
19:22		Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 5 December 2012 18:00 UTC
19:22	huginn	Meeting ended Wed Dec  5 19:22:42 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:22		Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-05-19.22.html
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19:22		Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]05-19.22.log.html
19:22	slef	oooh
19:23	rangi	Cool
19:23		Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 9 January 2013 10:00 UTC
19:23	slef	fixed
19:24	rangi	My stop bbiab
19:25	magnuse	gah, i forgot the meeting!
19:25	gmcharlt	@quote random
19:25	huginn	gmcharlt: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009)
19:25	drojf	why is "Allow for html in letters in overdue notices" a critical bug? html in emails is a bug
19:26	druthb	@quote random
19:26	huginn	druthb: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
19:26	wahanui	i already had it that way, huginn.
19:26	slef	magnuse: would you have changed anything in http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-05-18.05.html ?
19:26		drojf++
19:26	jcamins	drojf: because without that patch, it doesn't work at all?
19:26	drojf	jcamins: then the option is the bug :P
19:27	jcamins	No, I mean without that patch no non-English e-mails worked.
19:27		That's why it was critical.
19:29	* thd	goes to the console.
19:30	drojf	jcamins: oh. that's odd. i haven't read all comments, i thought html is optional and broken if turned on, otherwise fine
19:30	magnuse	slef: no, but i would (will) volunteer for moderating registrations on the wiki
19:30	slef	magnuse: tell it to the gmcharlt ;)
19:32	jcamins	drojf: I think at some point it got switched around.
19:32	druthb	First meeting I chair here, and magnuse misses it.  I'm hurt.
19:32	magnuse	gmcharlt: i hereby volunteer for moderating registrations on the wiki (i already have some kind of extra privileges, not sure if any more are needed)
19:32	slef	druthb: magnuse hates you. It's clear.
19:32	magnuse	moahahah
19:32	* druthb	pouts.
19:32	druthb	beware the ebil Norwegians!
19:32	magnuse	i couldn't stand te suspense - would druthb be able to pull it off?!?
19:32		moahahah
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19:33	magnuse	land of black metal...
19:33		kia ora eythian
19:33	eythian_	wasn't there a meeting thing about now, or are my timezones off?
19:33	drojf	lol
19:33	druthb	your timezones are off.
19:33	eythian_	that'll do it.
19:33	drojf	cait could chair a meeting for magnuse and eythian
19:33	* eythian_	returns to breakfast
19:33	oleonard	So are we waiting for a configuration change before learning how registration moderation will work?
19:34	slef	oleonard: I think gmcharlt likes keeping us in suspense here
19:34	cait	oleonard: I was hoping gmcharlt would give us hints after changing the config
19:34	* oleonard	can't wait to start crushing people's wiki dreams!!
19:34	rangi	back
19:34	cait	lol
19:35		how was your conf oleonard? :)
19:35	gmcharlt	oleonard: yes, there's a configuration change first
19:35		give me a few minutes
19:35	slef	can someone remind me how I remove git remote branches and objects that I don't care about any more?
19:35	oleonard	cait: It was very informative. Got over my head a bit at the end, but really good stuff.
19:35	rangi	the big sideeffect of this will be
19:35	slef	git remote prune only does so much
19:35	rangi	recentchanges actually becomes useful again
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19:36	cait	yay :)
19:36	oleonard	cait: They spent some time on git, so I had no trouble there, but the more advanced javascript was pretty heavy
19:36	cait	oleonard: I saw your tweets - hoped you were having fun :)
19:37	magnuse	recentchanges++
19:37	oleonard	Hopefully after I spend some time going over what was covered I will have some suggestions for Koha
19:38	magnuse	not sure how we tell what are legitimate registrations, though? and there might still be a lot of spam from accounts already created, unless gmcharlt finds some magic way to delete all accounts that have not made any edits yet, or something
19:38	* cait	is hoping for some simple instructions
19:38	slef	"secret ballot is a voting method in which a voter's choices in an election or a referendum are anonymous. The key aim is to ensure the voter records a sincere choice by forestalling attempts to influence the voter by intimidation or bribery." (wikipedia)
19:38	rangi	i think we start from now magnuse
19:38		ie all old ones just stay
19:38		the spam always comes from new accounts
19:38	slef	Not sure how much it achieves that if the results are published, actually.
19:39	magnuse	yeah, i expect so, rangi
19:39		oops, gotta run
19:39	slef	I think gnustep asks people to mail the list to get editing enabled.
19:39	rangi	slef: yeah
19:39	slef	Not sure if that's good or not.
19:39	oleonard	I think this is a good option to try out
19:40		We'll see how it goes and re-evaluate if necessary
19:40	slef	"The United Kingdom secret ballot arrangements are sometimes criticised because it is possible to link a ballot paper to the voter who cast it. Each ballot paper is individually numbered and each elector also has a number." (wikipedia again)
19:40		oh great, I'm like the United Kingdom :-/
19:40	gmcharlt	magnuse: actually, trimming accounts that have made no edits yet is easy to do
19:41	wizzyrea	cait: separate thing - scanning ISBN's or barcodes in acquisitions - the auto carriage return on barcode scanners is an ergonomic thing (submits the form before people are usually ready) - do you know if there is a bug for it? I can't find one but I thought since you had done all that work in acq you might know if that had been fixed
19:41	gmcharlt	I'm sure that will catch folks that have registered but never made any edits, but that can be readily explained via postings to the mailing lists
19:41	cait	wizzyrea: yes - and it should be fixed in master I tihnk
19:41	wizzyrea	cooooooool
19:41	rangi	gmcharlt: true
19:41	wizzyrea	do you know which bug number?
19:41	wahanui	which bug number is probably it?
19:41	cait	not sure about isbn's but I know I checked one for barcodes
19:41	wizzyrea	fab fab fab
19:41		:D
19:41	cait	trying to figure it out, give me a sec
19:42	wizzyrea	ah is np
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19:42	wizzyrea	I found it bug 8557
19:42	cait	bug 8557
19:42	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8557 normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly
19:42	cait	lol
19:42	wizzyrea	HIGHFIVE
19:43	cait	HIGHFIVE
19:43	slef	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]ballot#Secrecy_vs._reliability if anyone wants more
19:43	eythian_	wahanui: highfive is <reply>gimmie six!
19:43	wahanui	OK, eythian_.
19:44	* slef	gives wahanui a highfive and a finger
19:44	slef	oh wait
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19:48	slef	warning while applying bug 9052's patch:14: tab in indent.
19:48		$(TMP)/usr/share/koha/opac​/htdocs/opac-tmpl/lib/yui
19:48	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages
19:48	rangi	that patch doesnt work
19:49	slef	hahaha
19:49	rangi	we already tested it
19:49	* slef	goes changes the status
19:49	jcamins	The indentation in that file *must* be a tab.
19:49		FWIW
19:49	rangi	and yes
19:49		do not change that :)
19:49	slef	someone's tip on git config was wrong then
19:49	rangi	but its more that the files are still not in the right place
19:50		is why that patch didnt work
19:50	slef	is this new in 3.10?
19:50		as in, will a diff against 3.8 illuminate?
19:50	rangi	yep, the files were moved
19:50		no
19:50	jcamins	slef: that is the only file in the whole Koha codebase that should have tabs for indentation.
19:50	rangi	we know the files are moved
19:50		its just the packaging doesnt
19:51		and that fix, doesnt move them correctly
19:51	slef	Changes submitted for bug 9052
19:52		[apply]
19:52		whitespace = fix
19:52		^^ I just delete that from the git config, right?
19:52	* slef	RTFMs
19:52	jcamins	You should do that only when testing this one patch.
19:53	slef	y'all suck ;)
19:53		torturing me
19:53	jcamins	Blame Debian.
19:53	slef	I do. Frequently. Haven't you heard?
19:53		They loooove me ;)
19:54		whitespace = warn is the default
19:54		I can leave it disabled and think for myself I think
19:55	rangi	i only clean up trailing whitespace
19:55		git config --global core.whitespace trailing-space,space-before-tab
19:56		and spaces before tabs
19:56		i dont automatically change tabs to spaces
19:56		cos thats just dangerous
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20:00	slef	hrm, wonder who persauded me to add that
20:00		nm
20:00	rangi	http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]patches-with-git/  <-- that's what i do
20:00	slef	yeah, I found that. Twice. ;-)
20:01		Plus rickw arguing for nowarn.
20:01	rangi	someone may have extended it to do tabs too
20:01		rickw did a lot of arguing for not a lot of code
20:01	slef	it's like you say on the wiki, added by drojf IIRC
20:01	rangi	his energy could have been chanelled better
20:02	slef	meh, I disagree... best discover if you agree with a project before wasting work on it
20:02		else it just makes you resent it even more later
20:03	rangi	yeah but 1.5 years of discovering
20:03		?
20:03		seriously?
20:04		thats a good use of your life, specially if you are being paid to work on said project
20:04		i guess i value my own time more than that
20:06	slef	yeah that's a bit more
20:06		I wonder if he was being ordered to work on it too, but didn't want to.
20:06	rangi	could be
20:06	slef	So the pressure escaped sideways.
20:06	rangi	or he might have just been argumentative by nature :)
20:06		some ppl are doers some are talkers
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20:07	rangi	so maybe just in the wrong role
20:07	slef	I don't think there are such people.  It's a dog helps dog world.  But sometimes we can't overcome all the nurture-caused problems.
20:07		Probably wrong role.
20:08	rangi	either way, id like the 17 or so hours i wasted on emails wiht him back *grin*
20:08		did you ever see the movie in time?
20:08	slef	it's gone, let go
20:08		the movie "in time"?
20:09	rangi	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1637688/
20:09		trading in time
20:09	oleonard	Oh my god that movie was so bad.
20:09	slef	not that I remember
20:09	rangi	i saw it on the flight to kohacon
20:09		it is bad
20:10	slef	oleonard: I thought that from the cast, but 6.6/10 ???
20:10	rangi	interesting premise .. could have been a good movie, instead was crap
20:10	oleonard	Hey I think I saw that on an airplane too!
20:10	rangi	thats where i watch movies
20:10		i get no time anywhere else
20:10	slef	I think I was watching the avengers films and something else on planes this year
20:10		seen skyfall at cinema... and I'm sure I've seen something else but I can't tell you what.
20:10	wahanui	I haven't seen 'skyfall', slef
20:11	slef	wahanui: no, you don't watch many films, do you?
20:11	wahanui	slef: i haven't a clue
20:11	slef	wahanui: prat
20:11	wahanui	slef: i'm not following you...
20:11	slef	wahanui: clearly
20:11	wahanui	slef: excuse me?
20:11	slef	wahanui: figures
20:11	wahanui	I like *your* figure
20:11	slef	wahanui: pervert
20:11	wahanui	slef: huh?
20:11	slef	wahanui: sixth question?
20:11	wahanui	sixth question is "Why are you still asking wahanui?" or "How bored are you?"
20:12	slef	bug 7494
20:12	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7494 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, In Discussion , Use partial barcode or callnumber as a fallback for the barcode search in checkout
20:13	drojf	jcamins: how do i reproduce bug 9136? i try adding a tag in opac detail view and it works the same (=not really) with plack and without: i can enter the tag text, click 'add' and nothing happens, when i reload the page the tag is added. no error
20:13	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9136 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , C4::Tags not Plack-compatible
20:14	jcamins	drojf: does Firebug give youa 500 error?
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20:16	cait	drojf++ for signing off
20:16	drojf	no but i get some other funny error. maybe something is weird on my end
20:16		let me see
20:16	slef	huginn: query street address
20:16	huginn	slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Address Format as a I18N/L10N system preference
20:16		slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3765 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Road Types and Street Numbers on Patron Rec Inconsistent
20:16		slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
20:16		slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , Add a "Street Address" search option to the patrons search
20:17	slef	huginn: query autoMemberSuffix
20:17	huginn	slef: No results for "autoMemberSuffix."
20:17	slef	huginn: bum
20:17	huginn	slef: downloading the Perl source
20:17	slef	huginn: query analytic item types
20:17	huginn	slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type
20:17		slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation
20:18	cait	slef: what are you looking for?
20:18	phlunk	Hey everyone, I have what I presume is a basic question. Can someone tell me how to add the where statement to not display books which are checked out to the following query? http://pastebin.com/7gdQnRMJ
20:18	slef	cait: things I need
20:18	cait	and items.onloan is NULL
20:19		untested
20:19	slef	cait: I'm just trying to track stuff I've touched with a particular hat on but not used for a while, but now is dinner.
20:19	phlunk	thank you cait
20:32	drojf	jcamins: found my error (remainder of a test in opacuserjs). can't reproduce your bug, works ok for me, i get an "added tags" (or similar, using german version) message. i am not using starman, just running opac.psgi, could that be a reason?
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20:34	jcamins	drojf: yeah, it might be STarman-specific.
20:34		*Starman
20:34		I can reproduce it every time.
20:35	drojf	ok i should start to use starman then. but not tonight. unless i return at 3am again :/
20:35		good night #koha
20:36	cait	good night drojf
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20:46	magnuse	@later tell slef: someone was asking about edifact the other day, maybe you could update bug 2443 with a status, and comment on the relationship to bug 7736
20:46	huginn	magnuse: The operation succeeded.
20:47	slef	magnuse: why not just ask me? I'm aware of it, need to check my case notes for a long-dead :-( project and I don't think there's any relationship to bug 7736.
20:47	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7736 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mark.gavillet, Failed QA , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality
20:47	slef	I'm aware of the thread
20:48	magnuse	slef: i just asked you :-)
20:49	slef	Without looking, I'd love to extract the code and throw it over the wall (which is probably the best we can do now) in case someone can still use it, but we've failed to get it into a publishable (let alone QA-ready) state, as did our partners.
20:49		So not easy. Not great code.
20:49		If I had more money = more time, ...
20:49		more money||time
20:50		I hesitate to suggest someone pay for that time, as it might still not work :-/ - maybe I should put it up on a crowdfunding site, first to publish, then to get it to release.
20:50	magnuse	yeah, could be worth a try
20:51	slef	Then no-one would be under any illusions that the published code would work.
20:51		I fear it's at least vendor-specific and might even be client-specific.
20:51		Vendors don't exactly run forwards to support EDI development :-/
20:52		That surprised me. I thought vendors might want to sell stuff to more people more easily ;)
20:53	magnuse	you'd think that would make some kind of sense, yes...
20:56	* magnuse	calls it a day
20:57	rangi	cya magnuse
20:57	cait	bye magnuse
20:57	magnuse	:-)
20:58	* slef	breaks for dinner
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21:07	oleonard	See you later #koha
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21:11	wizzyrea	bah lol just as I have a question for him :)
21:11	francharb	hi all
21:15	jatara	Are there any ways we can allow a user to run reports, but not create them?
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21:18	cait	jatara: have you checked user permissions?
21:19		I am nto sure it works like advertised, but I think we got the permissoins to do just that
21:19	jatara	Yes, we have. We disabled "create SQL reports" for them, but it prevented them from being able to run reports, believe it or not.
21:20		We want them to run previously created reports, but not create new ones themselves.
21:23	mtj	jatara, it sounds like a bug?
21:23		.. perhaps you could document your problem in Koha's bugzilla
21:24	cait	yep, def a bug
21:25	jatara	Ok. Will document.
21:30	* rangi	boggles
21:36	cait	hm?
21:36	wizzyrea	you are boggling?
21:36	rangi	see the patches mailing list
21:36	wizzyrea	ohh...
21:37	rangi	http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/017583.html
21:37		im gonna forward it to the main list
21:37	wizzyrea	indeed - wut?
21:37	rangi	but yeah 3.00.06
21:37		thats like from 312 BC
21:38	wizzyrea	hehe we used to say that about 2.x ;)
21:38		that one is from the 'before time'
21:38		in the beginning there was koha, and it was good.
21:38		and then there was 3.2, and it was better.
21:39		and then came the golden age of Koha
21:39		and many songs were written
21:39		(the rest of the story - who knows)
21:53	eythian	I think we should have an email party on koha-patches when sjohnsonAThpplnj.org returns and turns off the auto-away.
21:53	jcamins	lol
21:53		Agreed.
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21:58	nengard	hi all,
21:58		I'm training a new library and i remember a dev/enh that i can't find a bug report for
21:59		am i dreaming or was there a dev to keep the history of messages put on a patron's record?
21:59		anyone know the bug number?
21:59	wizzyrea	message history has been in for a long time
21:59	cait	library messages? or notices?
21:59	nengard	messages left on the circulation page - not notices
22:00		where you click 'add a new message' on the checkout screen
22:00		those messages
22:00	wizzyrea	that has also been there for a long time - but it depends on how you add the message. There is no history if you delete them.
22:00	nengard	i thought i saw somehting where a log was being kept of the messages even after they were deleted
22:00		i probably am imagining it
22:00	gmcharlt	since the MediaWiki ConfirmAccount plugin suggets one, I've created a "terms of service" page for the wiki
22:00		http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]:Terms_of_Service
22:01		as you can see, it's *very* minimal, but if anybody wants to extend it or discuss extending it ... here it is
22:01	rangi	ohh cool
22:04	cait	gmcharlt++
22:07	rangi	jatara: i think you might have updated the wrong bug, that one is only for exactly 1 report, the overdue items .. not all
22:08		so even if htat was in, it wouldn't do what you were asking
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22:14	gmcharlt	cait: slef: rangi: you're now set to confirm/deny new user registrations on the wiki - go to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]l:ConfirmAccounts to see the queue
22:14		@later tell oleonard you're now set to confirm/deny new user registrations on the wiki - go to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]l:ConfirmAccounts to see the queue
22:14	huginn	gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
22:14	rangi	thanks
22:15	gmcharlt	@later tell davidnind you're now set to confirm/deny new user registrations on the wiki - go to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]l:ConfirmAccounts to see the queue
22:15	huginn	gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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22:15	cait	ah, empty queue?
22:15	eythian	what table(s) do authorities end up in?
22:15	gmcharlt	wizzyrea: thd-away: and any other folks who have the admin or the beaurecrat bit on the wiki ... you can do that too
22:15	jcamins	auth_header.
22:15	wahanui	i guess auth_header is empty
22:15	jcamins	Sorta.
22:15	gmcharlt	cait: yep
22:15	eythian	jcamins: say I wanted to delete them all from SQL, I'd just truncate that?
22:16	jcamins	Yes.
22:16		And reindex the authorities.
22:16	eythian	cool ta
22:16	jcamins	But that will leave any links that might have been in the bibs.
22:16	eythian	how do I delete them?
22:16		oh
22:16		I'm deleting all the bibs too
22:16	jcamins	So if you want to remove those you need to either delete all $9s or ...
22:16		okay, no problem there.
22:17	eythian	(this is tidying up the database in prep for a final migration)
22:17	wizzyrea	oh cooool
22:17		ty gmcharlt
22:17		gmcharlt++
22:22	magnuse	gmcharlt: i'm in the Administrators group, but not Bureaucrats. on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]l:ConfirmAccounts i get "Permission error - The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Bureaucrats."
22:24	* magnuse	goes to sleep
22:26	phlunk	exit
22:26		oops lmao
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22:33	gmcharlt	magnuse: ah, OK
22:33		I'll make admins bureaucrats, then
22:33		*also* bureaucrats
22:35	rangi	gmcharlt++ # good email
22:36	gmcharlt	magnuse: ok, it should work for you now
22:36		(and holy cow, there are a ton of accounts)
22:36	rangi	yes, yes there are
22:39	tcohen	existing accounts remain untouched, right?
22:39	cait	can we block someone approved that starts spamming too?
22:40	tcohen	i'll try not to ask too much then :-P
22:42	rangi	cait: yep
22:42	gmcharlt	tcohen: heh; correct, existing accounts won't be touched unless they meet the criteria for the purge
22:42		namely: already blocked, or "contributed" spam, or at least 10 days old and *never* made any edits
22:44	tcohen	perfect
22:44	rangi	hehe
22:44		http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]hors&wpShowHeld=0
22:44		for those that can see
22:45	gmcharlt	rangi: I dunno.. that character seems mighty suspicious
22:45	* rangi	rejects them
22:45	gmcharlt	:P
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22:45	rangi	works perfectly
22:45		gmcharlt++
22:58	jcamins	bag: if you're interested in looking at a squashed and rebased version of the search rewrite, I have that in an sr_squashed branch.
23:01	eythian	http://durdn.com/blog/2012/12/[…]ps-and-workflows/ <-- nothing too exciting there, but good for people who want to know a few more handy tricks
23:02	jcamins	As an aside, a side-effect of the way the configuration works is that with a tiny code change it would be possible to specify callbacks in the configuration file.
23:07		I'm not sure about that git stash tip... why would I want to do that?
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23:09	eythian	the workflow there would work fine without the stash entirely, I think
23:09	jcamins	Yeah, that's what I thought.
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23:16	mtj	oh man, just reading back the meeting from last nite
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23:17	mtj	jesus wept
23:18	jcamins	mtj: the new license passed.
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23:19	mtj	ah, i hadnt clicked to that yet
23:20		18:46druthb#agreed GPLv3+, as of 3.12.0, with two exceptions, and pending the openncip issue.
23:20		ah, so it was… :)
23:20	jcamins	The OpenNCIP issue was resolved.
23:20		Well prior to the meeting.
23:22	mtj	thats the best Koha news i've heard in many years
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