IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-20

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00:10 jcamins_away eythian: ohh, that makes the response intelligible.
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00:39 eythian jcamins: if I want to link some biblios on 3.8, what LinkerModule should I use?
00:39 err, biblios to authorities
00:41 jcamins I prefer LastMatch.
00:41 Fridolyn prefers FirstMatch.
00:41 And "Default" is the most like what you're used to.
00:41 It depends on what exactly you have in your authority file.
00:42 eythian I have authorities...
00:42 (this isn't an area I know a lot about)
00:42 wizzyrea (me either, for that matter)
00:43 jcamins Well, are the newer authorities superior or inferior?
00:43 And, for that matter, are there any duplicates?
00:44 eythian I think this auth file is actually from a proper database, so probably not.
00:44 jcamins In that case it doesn't matter. :)
00:45 eythian I'm just seeing things that I think should be linked up that aren't
00:45 jcamins In that case, you there may be duplicates.
00:45 I prefer LastMatch.
00:46 eythian so, default skips any duplicates?
00:46 jcamins Right.
00:46 eythian ah
00:47 so, I have an authority that is 150$a EUCALYPTUS REGNANS, 550$a EUCALYPTUS; and another one that is 150$a EUCALYPTUS, 550$a (lots but including) EUCALYPTUS REGNANS ... is there some magic "make it all one" thing?
00:47 I'm guessing no, but...
00:48 jcamins No, those are two different authorities.
00:48 eythian oh right
00:48 There needs to be a "Match biggest" then :)
00:49 jcamins That'd be an interesting criterion, but those two authorities are completely different.
00:50 eythian does the matcher prefer 150$a?
00:50 jcamins Okay, crash course in authorities:
00:50 1xx = main entry
00:50 eythian actually, a better question: would those be considered duplicates?
00:50 because it's one that isn't matching
00:50 jcamins Not at all duplicate.
00:50 They don't even refer to the same concepts.
00:50 4xx = see *from*
00:50 Where a term has changed or whatever.
00:51 5xx = see *also*
00:51 eythian oh right
00:51 jcamins So authority (A) should match only EUCALYPTUS REGNANS and authority (B) should match only EUCALYPTUS.
00:52 Unfortunately apparently it's doing something wrong?
00:52 eythian In that case there's something else going on, there's only one record with EU.G. in 150
00:53 does the linker require an up-to-date zebra index?
00:53 jcamins Yes.
00:53 The linker is entirely Zebra-based.
00:53 eythian possibly that was the issue
00:53 there may have been stale data
00:53 I'll re-run it, see what happens.
00:55 jcamins Also, how are you seeing that the link didn't work?
00:55 eythian because there are "0 biblios" results for things where I think it should have linked
00:55 (when using the auth search screen)
00:56 jcamins Ah, yeah, that doesn't tell you anything after running the linker.
00:56 eythian oh?
00:56 jcamins That's generated with Zebra.
00:56 eythian even looking at some of the records it didn't appear right.
00:56 jcamins Unless you have an absurdly small number of records, it's going to take a loooooong time for zebraqueue to catch up.
00:57 Okay, if you were looking at bibs, then you were checking in the right way. :)
00:57 eythian this system is, alas, not absurdly small.
00:57 jcamins I figured.
00:57 Otherwise there wouldn't be subjects for EUCALYPTUS *and* EUCALYPTUS REGNANS.
00:58 eythian ~50k subject authorities, ~130k bibs.
00:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #68 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:58 eythian well, the subject authorities are actually from a standard research thingy that a few groups around here seem to use.
00:58 called DINO or something like that.
01:07 wizzyrea shouldn't "Patrons (anonymize, bulk-delete)" be something like
01:07 Batch patron deletion or anonymization
01:07 patron batch mod is just "batch patron modification"
01:07 melia yes, I would think so
01:08 wizzyrea just seems obtuse and hard to find the way it is now.
01:08 I will consider changing it.
01:08 (sorry translators)
01:08 i know koha and I can't find it >.<
01:15 eythian jcamins: why would the linker have this: oAuth error: Query term includes characters that do not translate into the target character set (1072)  Bib-1
01:16 what's oAuth doing in there?
01:16 jcamins eythian: that's a Zebra error.
01:16 eythian OK. I'll ignore it then, so far it's the only one
01:16 jcamins And I can't imagine what character can't be translated to UTF-8.
01:17 eythian probably some oddball MARC-8 in there somewhere or something
01:17 jcamins (note: I like not knowing!)
01:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #68: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/68/
01:24 * adrien.saurat: Bug 8234: fixes date sort on 'Transfers to receive' page
01:24 * oleonard: Bug 8973 [3.6.x] HTML and URL escape missing in OPAC templates
01:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8234 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, RESOLVED FIXED, Dates are not well sorted on Transfers to receive
01:24 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8973 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , HTML and URL escape missing in OPAC templates
01:25 wizzyrea \o/
01:25 wajasu hip hip
01:25 wizzyrea ow my hip
01:33 eythian so unhip!
01:50 jcamins: have you ever seen something like using '#' to bracket italics? e.g. " and taper of #Eucalyptus regnans# grown in the central North Island of New Zealand"?
01:50 jcamins Never.
01:51 eythian hmm weird
01:52 also, if 650$9 isn't in the framework, is that likely to cause a problem for the linking?
01:52 jcamins Uhhh, yeah.
01:52 If 650$9 isn't in the framework, you have a seriously screwed up framework.
01:52 And no hope of linking working.
01:53 eythian hmm
01:53 I can't see it, but maybe they just hid it
01:53 nope, they deleted it
01:53 jcamins Hidden would make sense.
01:53 eythian damn
01:53 jcamins Deleted would be bad.
01:54 eythian I'm pretty sure I told them not to delete things in the frameworks, just to hide them.
01:54 jcamins Of course. So why are you surprised they were deleted after an invitation like that? :P
01:55 eythian heh
01:57 I'm tempted to put a "yes, I know what I'm doing and should be allowed to delete framework entries" syspref that defaults to off.
01:57 jcamins That actually makes a lot of sense.
01:58 eythian perhaps also a button that makes hiding things a bit easier to encourage that to be used instead.
01:59 jcamins I'd say at the very least we should kill the stupid "enter a random number into the box."
01:59 eythian > update biblio set frameworkcode='';
01:59 problem solved, temporarily
02:00 oh yeah,that's terrible and could be three checkboxes
02:00 jcamins Heh. That works.
02:05 wizzyrea that number scheme
02:05 is the devil.
02:05 DEVIL.
02:07 eythian oh wow, they totally gutted the framework.
02:07 $ wc -l *.csv
02:07 112 export_ANA.csv
02:07 118 export_BOOK.csv
02:07 3854 export_JNL.csv
02:08 I think the default framework would be a bit bigger than JNL
02:10 jcamins I would think so, yes.
02:47 eythian wow, 3r biblios linked to the authority "NZMS260D45"
02:47 *36
02:48 jcamins: "see also" doesn't form a link like I would expect. Is that just a "no one has done it yet" thing?
02:49 or is it not what it's supposed to do?
02:50 * eythian also note that the "is exactly" authority search gives the same results as "contains", whereas "starts with" works.
03:03 jcamins eythian: the links are only based on the $9.
03:03 eythian oh right
03:03 so you'd need to link within the authority records to do something like that.
03:03 (is that a thing people do?)
03:04 jcamins So if you don't have any -- and you won't, I haven't written a script to populate them yet -- the see also links won't be direct.
03:04 Oh, and the staff client authority view was so awful that I couldn't add all the attractive links that I did on the OPAC.
03:05 The code made my head wibble like a weeble's in a most distressing fashion.
03:06 eythian ah
03:06 I didn't actually look in the OPAC
03:06 jcamins The OPAC is nicer.
03:07 The theory being that librarians have learned to cope.
03:07 wajasu GetAuthorizedheading    Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 1191
03:08 jcamins Looks like you truncated auth_header without reindexing?
03:08 wajasu ok
03:08 jcamins I mean, there is a bug there.
03:09 wajasu reindexing bibs? or auth?
03:09 jcamins It doesn't test that there's actually an authority record retrieved.
03:09 Reindexing authorities.
03:09 wajasu ok
03:09 jcamins Also, while you're at it, report a bug with a description of how you produced it?
03:09 * jcamins 'll fix it, but not right this moment.
03:10 wajasu no problem.
03:17 jcamins kohacon 2013?
03:17 kohacon13?
03:17 wahanui kohacon13 is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]osals_for_hosting
03:18 jcamins wahanui: forget kohacon13
03:18 wahanui jcamins: I forgot kohacon13
03:18 jcamins kohacon13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary
03:18 Kohacon 2013 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary
03:18 There is going to be a Kohacon, right?
03:23 wizzyrea afaik yea
03:27 eythian Yeah, there was an email about it a while back. Late sept/oct sort of time
03:27 so there's plenty of time yet
03:34 rangi mid october
03:34 they said in the last meeting
03:35 thats the best rates for conference venues
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05:04 eythian I hate you milkman reprepro
05:05 in related news, new master packages uploading
05:06 s/ing/ed/
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06:12 WaqarAzeem Hi, in my installation, On main search at the top there is no combo box to select library. is there any any setting for this to enabale it.
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06:27 WaqarAzeem i found it. thanks OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown
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07:35 alex_a hello
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08:01 gaetan_B hello
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08:04 lds Hello
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08:44 paul_p good morning  #koha
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09:20 * magnuse waves
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09:50 * kf waves bag
09:50 waves back
09:52 magnuse :-)
09:55 @arewethereyet
09:55 huginn magnuse: Not yet - wait 2 days
09:55 magnuse ooohhhh...
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10:01 mveron Hi #koha
10:01 magnuse hiya mveron
10:01 kf hi mveron
10:01 mveron :-)
10:01 kf mveron: did you see my note on the language code patch?
10:02 sorry, only wantt o ask you before I forget again
10:02 mveron kf: Sorry, no
10:02 kf mveron: you only did en - we will need a follow up for de-DE to get it working :)
10:06 magnuse what are you talking about - would it concern nb-NO too?
10:06 mveron kf: Ah, I see.
10:07 magnuse: Bug 9056
10:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9056 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
10:07 mveron But the files would be the same in all languages?
10:09 kf mveron: but only the files from your language folder are used
10:09 afaik
10:09 but I am quite sure here, we would need a solution like for sysprefs.sql to change that I think
10:10 so either we copy the file to all other languages - or we make it use a general file
10:10 * mveron ...gets a phone call
10:10 kf only wnated to point it out - so it doesn't get missed
10:10 and thx a lot for doing this translation :)
10:11 magnuse: yep, affecting nb-NO too - bug 8954
10:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8954 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Languages list in advanced search always in english
10:13 magnuse ah yes, thanks
10:13 are those two bugs really duplicates?
10:17 kf the sip?
10:17 wahanui the sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey.
10:17 magnuse ouch
10:17 kf hm?
10:17 magnuse: you are confusing me :)
10:18 magnuse me too .-)
10:18 kf ah good then :)
10:18 ;)
10:19 magnuse yup
10:31 * mveron is back
10:38 mveron kf and magnuse: Bug 8954 adds the functionallity to display the languages correctly in  opac-search.pl and search.pl  and Bug 9056 provides the information in the table language_descriptions. (Not all language names are translated into all langages)
10:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8954 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Languages list in advanced search always in english
10:38 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9056 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
10:41 mveron kf: Other question: Is http://translate.koha-community.org/de/ finished? - Can I take the files for de-CH?
10:41 kf I think we still might find some smaller erros
10:41 but I checked the files with poedit some time ago - they shoudl be ok
10:42 I think you and mirko did most of it? I only finished off a little bit in the end
10:42 mveron OK, i take them in the afternoon. If there are small changes I can apply them on de-CH if necessary.
10:43 magnuse ah, thanks for clearing that up mveron
10:50 mveron magnuse, kf: We have the problem that the file subtag_registry.sql should be distributed to all installer folders (installer/data/mysql/[LANGUAGE]/mandatory), or the installer should always take it from installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory
10:51 * mveron will add a comment to Bug 9056
10:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9056 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
10:53 kf mveron: yes exactly
10:53 one is the easy fix... the other harder but right
10:53 * mveron has to head away...  Mahlzeit :-)
10:57 kf enjoy :)
10:58 magnuse we should avoid having x number of copies of the same file, of course
10:58 kf yep
10:58 magnuse could we have one big file similar to the sysprefs file?
10:58 kf yep
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11:40 kf paul_p++
11:40 # passing qa on my installer fixes :)
11:40 paul_p ;-)
11:40 kf paul_p++ #awesome release notes
11:40 paul_p: I wrote a patch for corecting the english installer files too - maybe take a look. I think it got a sign off by a native speaker so is hopefully alright
11:41 paul_p kf = I'm QAing all signed-off bugfixes atm, so I should reach this one, isn't it?
11:41 kf paul_p: yep I think so :) thx!
11:41 paul_p kf (well, not atm, because I'm about to leave for lunch. /me hungry !)
11:42 kf enjoy your lunch, having lunch here soon too, once I figured out what's going wrong with overdues for this library. hm.
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11:59 drojf good day #koha
11:59 lol jcamins_away that is exactly what i thought when i read it
12:00 jcamins drojf: well of course.
12:00 drojf let's do it ;)
12:01 jcamins paul_p: do you want bug 8997 in 3.10?
12:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8997 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Passed QA , Dead code in C4/Language causing useless SQL queries
12:02 jcamins paul_p: could you please as Joubu if the follow-up on bug 9046 is supposed to say "Perl v5.10" in the commit message?
12:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9046 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Items are not exported with the tools/export.pl
12:11 jcamins drojf: your mission, should you choose to accept it (warning: you don't have a choice): test bug 9024.
12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9024 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Add additional sample data to German installer
12:13 * jcamins does his best to look commanding.
12:16 drojf i have to check what real work i have to do before but i try to find some time to do it :)
12:16 jcamins It's very easy.
12:17 You just have to check that the German is... German.
12:17 I confirmed that the files work.
12:18 What I did not confirm was that the text made any sense at all.
12:18 drojf german rarely does :D
12:18 jcamins lol
12:18 You said it not me. :P
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12:22 paul_p drojf lol :D
12:22 'morning jcamins
12:23 jcamins OK for 8997 in 3.10
12:23 * paul_p is back from lunch and back to QAing...
12:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9058' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]02c6a92d11e5cd3ce> / Bug 9058 - Norwegian default for CalendarFirstDayOfWeek <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e5f114c86bf1c266e> / Merge branch 'bug_9107' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]mmitdiff;h=f3eb27
12:26 kf drojf: hey :)
12:26 * kf is back from lunch too
12:26 drojf hi kf :)
12:26 * wajasu starts a new day
12:27 drojf i'd like to start a new day too
12:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #944 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:29 drojf jcamins: so do you want me to install it to check or just check the patch? i did the latter an it is alright.
12:29 patches even
12:31 kf drojf: thx :)
12:32 jcamins drojf: that's fine.
12:32 If you have time to install it, that'd be better.
12:32 kf jcamins: you don't trust me?
12:32 :P
12:32 drojf ok i'll do it later. seems like there is not much to do here today
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12:35 Joubu hi #koha
12:36 kf hi Joubu
12:37 jcamins Joubu: I have a question for you about bug 9046
12:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9046 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Items are not exported with the tools/export.pl
12:37 jcamins The follow-up says "perl v.10" in the commit message.
12:37 Should I change it to "perl v5.10"?
12:38 Joubu jcamins: yes, of course!
12:38 :)
12:38 jcamins Thanks.
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12:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9046' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1d622bfe67a543936> / Bug 9046: Followup FIX perl v5.10 raises an error if itemnumbers if undefined <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]724f50e31c478c365> / Merge branch 'bug_7368' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git
12:55 jcamins paul_p: if you could ask Fridolyn to write commit messages explaining what his patches do, I would be grateful.
12:55 paul_p: what does bug 8844 do?
12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8844 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl creates a modification log
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13:14 jcamins How do I make something show up in the holdqueue report?
13:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9023' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fc6ec5ff0bb7de7d0> / Bug 9023: Update installer text files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a650a5f5f4038ba69> / Bug 9023: Remove NY Z39.50 servers from installer txt files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ommitdiff;h=990ad
13:15 jcamins Oh, right. It has a cronjob.
13:19 Okay, kc/master is now up-to-date.
13:21 Bug 8844 has not been pushed because I'm not quite sure what it does.
13:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8844 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl creates a modification log
13:21 kf jcamins++
13:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8971 - Sort holds queue report using DataTables <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]43b4354dd8da96dcc>
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13:33 jcamins Five minutes to go on the Jenkins build.
13:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #944: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/944/
13:36 * jcamins: Bug 9066: VirtualShelves db access not Plack+MariaDB compatible
13:36 * cnighswonger: Bug 9085 - Installer will not run with DEBUG set
13:36 * jcamins: Bug 9107: Remove the obsolete DidYouMeanFromAuthorities syspref
13:36 * Paul Poulain: Bug 9107: remove the syspref from the database, as well
13:36 * jcamins: Bug 9107: Increment version number
13:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9066 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , VirtualShelves database access not Plack + MariaDB compatible
13:36 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 9058 - Norwegian default for CalendarFirstDayOfWeek
13:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9085 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Installer will not run with DEBUG set
13:36 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9107 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , DidYouMeanFromAuthorities syspref obsolete
13:36 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9058 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Norwegian default for CalendarFirstDayOfWeek
13:36 jcamins \o/
13:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #945 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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13:56 drojf @arewethereyet
13:56 huginn drojf: Not yet - wait 2 days
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14:08 gaetan_B some weeks ago someone washaving a problem exporting and importing marc frameworks, it seems that when you export, the encoding is iso-9959-1 for some reason, but when you import, koha expects UTF-8. Anyone else has had this problem ,
14:08 ?
14:09 mveron kf: Just uploaded de-CH Pootle files for 3.10  and fixed 2 minor typos in de-DE
14:09 kf mveron: thx :)
14:09 drojf gaetan_B: i am fixing problems with broken umlauts in our frameworks right now
14:09 gaetan_B: i suppose they came when importing, but not sure
14:10 gaetan_B drojf: was it you last time ? i don't remember who i discussed this with...
14:10 drojf no
14:10 kf gaetan_B: I think it should export as utf-8 too
14:10 gaetan_B importing definitely creates a number of problems i think
14:10 drojf i just stumbled across this a minute ago when lookiung for plugins not working
14:10 kf sounds like a bug?
14:10 gaetan_B kf: i think i'll report one yes
14:11 also when you export in SQL single quotes get escaped, and you find yourself with backslashes in your imported framework
14:11 the safe path i have for doing this is exporting in a csv iconv to utf-8 and then import
14:11 just wanted to share this with whoever it was that was having problems last time
14:12 s/that/who
14:12 kf hm I foudn the ms office option not wokring well
14:13 I am always using libreoffice now
14:13 but what I found not working is default values for control fields
14:14 gaetan_B oh i didn't pay attention to this
14:15 kf chris_n++ for the idea of automatically created release notes
14:22 gaetan_B oleonard: hello, i am looking at bug 9059 because of another problem i noticed, i want to ask you what you think :
14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9059 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Increase size of opac-sendbasket window
14:23 oleonard Yes gaetan_B?
14:23 wahanui gaetan_B is probably working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
14:23 gaetan_B when you click on the basket link, you get a new window, if you proceed to placing holds on a number of books in your basket for instance, you then proceed to validating the holds
14:24 and find yourself in another koha window, with your account
14:24 i don't know if i managed to explain this clearly
14:24 oleonard I understand, I know the problem
14:24 gaetan_B ok, i was thinking on either commenting on the bug or opening a new one
14:24 i guess we should close the window once the reservation is complete
14:25 or get rid of the pop-up
14:25 what do you think ?
14:26 oleonard I was thinking perhaps clicking the "place hold" link in the cart passes the operation to the main window and closes the cart? I'm not sure how easy that would be to do.
14:26 gaetan_B i discussed this with paul_p yesterday, he mentioned there should be an easy solution, but i don't know exactly which
14:26 we'll probably be able to have someone working on this next monday
14:27 (it's critical for a project i am working on)
14:27 just wanted to gather your opinion
14:27 oleonard Critical because the library objects to the way it works now?
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14:28 gaetan_B because it could confude users quite a lot
14:28 also, it's a pretty different project
14:28 for an ngo
14:28 we are making some modifications so that people will actually place orders on books on the site
14:28 it's a little bit twisted ;)
14:29 anyway, i need to figure a way that users won't find themselves ordering the same books over and over again
14:29 and this gets in the way
14:29 and i think it would be a general improvement to the interfac
14:29 e
14:34 oleonard gaetan_B: http://screencast.com/t/w705fI9P2550
14:35 gaetan_B oleonard: oh... that was quick :)
14:35 oleonard The holdSel() function in opac-basket.tt uses document.location to redirect to the place hold screen
14:35 I just changed that to parent.opener.document.location and added window.close()
14:36 Did you already file a bug for this?
14:36 gaetan_B should i report a bug for your patch ?
14:36 not yet
14:36 oleonard I think there may be one already
14:36 gaetan_B i was wondering if it would interfere with the one i mentioned earlier
14:37 i don't think so now
14:39 oleonard Maybe I just remember someone else (nengard?) talking about this problem, I can't find a bug report
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14:39 gaetan_B ok i'll file one then
14:40 oleonard Okay, thanks
14:40 gaetan_B are there other scenarios which should be checked while we are at it ?
14:40 nengard reading back ?
14:40 doesn't sound familiar to me ?
14:41 gaetan_B other options seem to be fine
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14:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #945: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/945/
14:43 * jonathan.druart: Bug 9046: FIX wrong test on an arrayref instead of an array
14:43 tsiliha hello, does anyone remember the link of how to update koha from 3.04.01 to the latest using coha common in debian?
14:43 jenkins_koha * tomascohen: Bug 8750 - Chronological terms authorities not correctly indexed (trivial fix)
14:43 * mtompset: Bug 8880 - Uninitialized variables trigger error log entries
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9046 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Items are not exported with the tools/export.pl
14:43 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8997: Unnecessary call to getAllLanguages
14:43 * m.de.rooy: Bug 7368: Removing occurrences of dependant= feature in javascript open calls
14:43 * jonathan.druart: Bug 9046: Followup FIX perl v5.10 raises an error if itemnumbers if undefined
14:43 * oleonard: Bug 7932 [Revised] Twitter share doesn't work with socialnetworks
14:43 * oleonard: Bug 8975 - search results should say on order in staff client
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8750 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Chronological terms authorities not correctly indexed
14:43 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9020: [SIGNED-OFF] Translate new permissions for 3.10 de-DE
14:43 * magnus: Bug 9020 - Translate new permissions for 3.10 nb-NO
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8880 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Uninitialized variable triggers error log entry in circulation.pl
14:43 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9023: Remove NY Z39.50 servers from installer txt files
14:43 * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9023: Update installer text files
14:43 * oleonard: Bug 8971 - Sort holds queue report using DataTables
14:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8997 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Dead code in C4/Language causing useless SQL queries
14:43 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus
14:43 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7932 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , twitter share doesn't work with socialnetworks
14:43 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8975 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , search results should say on order in staff client
14:43 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9020 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Translate new permissions for 3.10
14:43 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9023 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Update installer txt files to have more accurate information
14:43 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8971 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort holds queue report using DataTables
14:44 jcamins Hm.
14:44 gaetan_B oleonard: bug 9115
14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9115 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , basket window should close automatically when placing a hold
14:45 jcamins Need to figure out a way to prevent the Quote of the Day test from not failing if it's run twice in rapid succession.
14:45 oleonard Thanks gaetan_B. I'll attach my patch and you can test to see if it works well for you.
14:45 gaetan_B yep, thank you oleonard :)
14:55 tsiliha mtompset has given to me a link but now i can't finde it
14:58 oleonard gaetan_B: Patch sent
14:58 jcamins packages?
14:58 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
14:58 jcamins tsiliha: ^^
14:59 gaetan_B oleonard: ok i'm testing
15:01 tsiliha the link was a guide of a detailed guide of how to install koha-common to an existing koha version
15:02 jcamins tsiliha: I have never seen a page like that, sorry.
15:03 You might try searching the wiki.
15:03 tsiliha that's what I am doing now without success
15:05 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages
15:15 jcamins wahanui: be magnuse
15:15 wahanui let's get rid of marc while we're at it!
15:15 kf marc--
15:15 bag YAY burn that
15:17 gaetan_B @later tell oleonard: patch tested but i didn't manage to have it work properly
15:17 huginn gaetan_B: The operation succeeded.
15:17 * mveron has to go to cook
15:17 mveron Au revoir, tot ziens, ciao, tschüss #koha :-)
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15:27 drojf so how do i test bug 9024? clone koha from git and do whatever INSTALL.debian tells me?
15:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9024 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Add additional sample data to German installer
15:28 jcamins drojf: point your koha-conf.xml to an empty database.
15:29 drojf oh that's all?
15:30 jcamins drojf: then connect to the staff client.
15:30 It'll take you to the installer.
15:35 chris_n g'morning
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15:44 oleonard gaetan_B: Did you try clearing your browser cache?
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15:46 gaetan_B oleonard: ah yes, it does work very nicely with a cleared cache!
15:47 oleonard Thank goodness :)
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15:47 gaetan_B oleonard: not in chromium though
15:48 oleonard :(
15:48 francharb hello
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15:50 oleonard Hm, it works for me in Chrome on Windows gaetan_B
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15:51 gaetan_B oleonard: ok, strange
15:51 * gaetan_B is clearing the cache again
15:53 gaetan_B oleonard: which version are you using ?
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15:53 oleonard "Version 23.0.1271.64 m"
15:55 gaetan_B maybe mine is outdated
15:57 oleonard I wouldn't think it would matter, the JS is very basic
15:57 It even works in IE ;)
16:05 * oleonard makes another plea for tests of Bug 9106
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9106 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Filtering list of uncertain price list by owner empties order information
16:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #13 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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16:36 gaetan_B oleonard: i'm trying to test your patch on another computer but it looks like i wont be able to before tomorrow :(
16:37 oleonard That's fine, thanks for re-testing.
16:37 drojf yeah, being tired and screwing with the bug tracker :(
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16:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #13: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/13/
16:55 * jcamins: Bug 9066: VirtualShelves db access not Plack+MariaDB compatible
16:55 * cnighswonger: Bug 9085 - Installer will not run with DEBUG set
16:55 * jonathan.druart: Bug 9046: FIX wrong test on an arrayref instead of an array
16:55 * jcamins: Bug 9107: Remove the obsolete DidYouMeanFromAuthorities syspref
16:55 * Paul Poulain: Bug 9107: remove the syspref from the database, as well
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9066 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , VirtualShelves database access not Plack + MariaDB compatible
16:55 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9107: Increment version number
16:55 * magnus: Bug 9058 - Norwegian default for CalendarFirstDayOfWeek
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9085 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Installer will not run with DEBUG set
16:55 jenkins_koha * tomascohen: Bug 8750 - Chronological terms authorities not correctly indexed (trivial fix)
16:55 * mtompset: Bug 8880 - Uninitialized variables trigger error log entries
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9046 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Items are not exported with the tools/export.pl
16:55 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8997: Unnecessary call to getAllLanguages
16:55 * m.de.rooy: Bug 7368: Removing occurrences of dependant= feature in javascript open calls
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9107 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , DidYouMeanFromAuthorities syspref obsolete
16:55 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 9046: Followup FIX perl v5.10 raises an error if itemnumbers if undefined
16:55 * oleonard: Bug 7932 [Revised] Twitter share doesn't work with socialnetworks
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9058 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Norwegian default for CalendarFirstDayOfWeek
16:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8750 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Chronological terms authorities not correctly indexed
16:55 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8975 - search results should say on order in staff client
16:55 * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9020: [SIGNED-OFF] Translate new permissions for 3.10 de-DE
16:55 * magnus: Bug 9020 - Translate new permissions for 3.10 nb-NO
16:55 * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9023: Remove NY Z39.50 servers from installer txt files
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8880 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Uninitialized variable triggers error log entry in circulation.pl
16:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8997 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Dead code in C4/Language causing useless SQL queries
16:55 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9023: Update installer text files
16:55 * oleonard: Bug 8971 - Sort holds queue report using DataTables
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus
16:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7932 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , twitter share doesn't work with socialnetworks
16:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8975 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , search results should say on order in staff client
16:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9020 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Translate new permissions for 3.10
16:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9023 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Update installer txt files to have more accurate information
16:55 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8971 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort holds queue report using DataTables
16:55 magnuse success! \o/
16:56 oleonard If you're going to ping me like that jenkins_koha the least you can do is buy me lunch.
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17:01 * magnuse waves at melia and cait
17:01 melia hi magnuse :)
17:02 cait hi magnuse and melia
17:02 melia++ for testing patches :)
17:02 melia thanks cait :)
17:02 magnuse yeah melia++
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17:14 Joubu bye #koha
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17:17 gaetan_B bye
17:18 tcohen @later tell paul_p, is there any chance we have bug 8519 in?
17:18 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:21 jcamins bug 8519
17:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
17:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #946 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #944 4 hr 59 min ago)
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17:35 martian523 hi! I have a question about permanently deleting a bib record from the database.  I have already deleted the record.  However, when I search for the title, it's still showing up in the catalog.  When I click on it, it says it doesn't exist.  So how do I completely take that record out from the catalog?
17:37 cait martian523: there is something wrong with your indexing I think
17:37 have you set up the cronjob to update your indexes every x minutes?
17:38 tcohen hehe
17:38 martian523 well, actually, i'm not an IT person, just a librarian, i will ask my IT team to see if that's set upt
17:38 so after that it should be ok?
17:40 tcohen martian523: if it is properly set, every update on your biblios should be applied to search results
17:40 cait yep
17:40 tcohen after that X minutes
17:40 cait so after x minutes latest you shouldn't be able to find the deleted record
17:40 and be able to search a newly cataloged one etc.
17:40 jcamins faq?
17:40 wahanui i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
17:40 cait the cronjob is crucial
17:40 jcamins ^^ the last question on that page addresses this very issue.
17:41 martian523 thanks
17:41 cait jcamins: I made a typo :(
17:41 * tcohen is still laughing, nevermind
17:41 cait jcamins: I feel like you somehow knew that I did :)
17:41 jcamins cait: I'm RM. It's my job to know these things. :P
17:41 cait hehe scary!
17:41 do qam get superpowers too?
17:42 jcamins We'll find out!
17:42 * cait hopes she gets something cool
17:42 tcohen I've heard RM have Super Cow Powers
17:46 cait tcohen: they can only program using moo?
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18:24 nengard once you upload an image to a book (bib) in Koha is there a way to remove it? I'm not seeing one
18:25 jcamins Not to my knowledge.
18:26 nengard Well that's an oversight ? but report coming :)
18:26 bug report
18:27 jcamins I think there might already be one.
18:28 nengard oops
18:29 well i might have created a dup
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18:29 jcamins I'm not sure of that.
18:29 If someone finds another, yours will be marked a duplicate.
18:31 rangi Morning
18:31 wahanui i guess Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:32 cait morning rangi
18:33 jcamins nengard: if you do either of those two things, you'd just replace the existing image.
18:33 nengard i don't want to replace the image - i want to remove all images
18:33 i want none attached
18:33 jcamins Right, that you can't do.
18:33 nengard hence the bug report
18:33 jcamins However, in your examples of why it was needed, you were asking about replacing.
18:34 nengard well okay - i'm sick and on cold meds
18:34 it was the best i could come up with
18:34 jcamins So you are not right this moment trying to replace an image?
18:34 I wasn't sure if it was a request from a librarian to replace an image. If it was, I was going to point out the "Replace existing images" checkbox.
18:35 nengard no - don't want to replace it - i put the image on the wrong bib - i want no image on this bib
18:35 (and by 'I' i mean the library i'm trying to help)
18:35 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
18:35 Project Koha_master build #946: FIXED in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/946/
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18:41 Oak nengard, have you tried seeing that en/manual.xml in vim in Linux at the line 41551?
18:41 can i have a look at that file?
18:42 cait Oak:)
18:42 nengard of course you can - it's in git
18:42 Oak cait :)
18:42 nengard http://git.koha-community.org/[…]heads/manual3.8.x
18:42 and no i did not - i don't use vim
18:43 Oak nor do I as an editor... but I do sometimes use it to spot odd characters for the html newsletters we make... characters that are invisible in other editors
18:45 i mean sometimes in other editors i'll be seeing "and they went to" and in vim, it may be "and{#they went to"... something like that
18:46 rangi The French ones are fixed by using unicode chars not html entities, the English one is most likely a & or something
18:53 Oak who was it trea ?
18:53 trea dominoes. mmmm
18:53 Oak :)
18:54 only I can ask silly questions like that. that's cool.
18:54 nengard rangi - that line "        information. ?You could put this anywhere that is visible to the account that will be" ?. has no special characters
18:54 Oak or rather, only I ask silly questions like that. and in that case it's silly.
18:55 nengard around it ?
18:55 "      <para>First, you'll need to create a file somewhere on your system with configuration
18:55 information. ?You could put this anywhere that is visible to the account that will be
18:55 running the service. </para>"
18:55 also nothing special - hence my confusion!!
18:55 Oak what are the ? marks for?
18:55 nengard I don't see ? marks ?.
18:55 so  i guess that's the problem
18:56 where do you see them?
18:56 I'll remove them
18:56 jcamins nengard: right before "You could"
18:56 nengard they don't even show here in the commit : http://git.koha-community.org/[…]557c9935f9d1b8997
18:56 okay thanks! I'll retype that line
18:56 Oak <para>First, you'll need to create a file somewhere on your system with configuration information. ?You could put this anywhere that is visible to the account that will be running the service. </para>
18:57 and using &rsquo; instead of single quotes is probably more goodish... but may be hard to do / not important.
18:58 did you see the question mark? I added it manually just to show you the place.
18:58 nengard yes i see it - thanks
18:58 patch submitted
18:58 http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5338f0686dcfa5820
19:01 rangi back
19:02 Oak hm 12:01 AM. should sleep.
19:02 later
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19:17 rangi hehe i just noticed
19:18 http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/
19:18 jenkins is angry
19:18 http://jenkins.koha-community.org/ <-- normal
19:18 (the watermark image)
19:18 that's kinda cool, i hadnt noticed that before
19:19 jcamins I like it!
19:19 So does Myshkin.
19:19 cait the one in the back?
19:19 it's still smiling jenkins for me
19:20 could it be because it's showing german for me?
19:20 rangi on the kohadocs page?
19:20 cait whish it wouldn't do that by the way *sigh*
19:20 http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/
19:20 yep smiley
19:20 and german
19:23 rangi ill see if i can turn localisation off
19:24 cait ra
19:24 g
19:24 rangi: maybe others like it
19:24 I think maybe it would work if I reconfigured my browser language settings
19:25 rangi yep, if you set english first
19:25 cait it did work - but jenkins is still smiley *pout*
19:25 ok, giving up, back to learning management :)
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19:27 martian523 hi, it seems like fines are being charged during grace period.  is there something that needs to be fixed?
19:31 rangi what version of koha?
19:32 martian523 3.8.6
19:33 rangi hmm, is it charging the fine when you return the item or is the fines cronjob doing it? (i havent had either reported but that doesnt mean it's not happening)
19:35 martian523 hmm...i'm not sure, it seems like it was charged after the items were renewed
19:36 cait what date has he fine, what's the due date, last renewal and checkout dates? :)
19:37 do you have added holidays to your calendar? are you sure you are looking at the correct circulation rule for this library/category/itemtype combination?
19:38 martian523 o wait, the fine was charged with cronjob doing the fines
19:39 but i have set up the rules to give 2 grace period
19:39 the items were due 11/19
19:39 and the fines were charged today when patron wants to renew
19:41 cait hm
19:41 what type is the fine when you lok at the account of the borrower?
19:41 is it maybe R?
19:42 martian523 what do you mean the type of fine?
19:43 cait there is a column with a capital letter on the fine summary or pay fines tab in the patron#s account
19:43 melia http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8939
19:43 huginn 04Bug 8939: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Fines Charged During Grace Period
19:43 cait oh
19:44 melia that will be in 3.8.7, so need to upgrade after it comes out on Nov 22
19:44 cait thx melia
19:44 melia no probs
19:44 martian523 so after the upgrade should be ok?
19:44 melia yes, once you're on 3.8.7 (assuming your circ rules and everything are right), then it should be ok
19:45 cait martian523: it should be - but maybe read through the bug first to confirm
19:45 martian523 thanks a bunch! =)
19:49 jcamins Okay, master is now up-to-date.
19:49 rangi swwt
19:49 sweet too
19:50 jcamins cait: could you confirm the version for bug 9020?
19:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9020 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Translate new permissions for 3.10
19:50 jcamins I think it's wrong.
19:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8954' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6252a85b55158b44e> / Bug 8954: Make languages list in advanced search translatable (revision 1) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a550c400769a9f8dc> / Merge branch 'bug_8844' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb/?p=koha.git;a=
19:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #1 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x
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19:56 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]s_3.8.x/1/console
19:56 still broked
19:57 <programlisting>  that aint valid xml
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19:58 Starting build #947 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
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20:05 jcamins libsysguy: okay, I installed the Selenium plugin in FF.
20:05 cait jcamins: curious how you like it :)
20:05 jcamins I was expecting something that allowed me to browse usually and generated a test out of that behavior.
20:05 rangi it's fragile
20:05 in my experience
20:05 cait rangi: I agree
20:05 jcamins *browse normally
20:06 rangi the QA team here try (tried) to use it, to little useful
20:06 effect
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20:06 rangi and ended up spending more time fixing tests than finding bugs
20:06 jcamins I'm happy to give it a shot.
20:06 cait jcamins: you kind can, but I raninto all kinds of problems just using th enormal recording function
20:06 like when something took too long to load it acted weird or some buttons were not recognized
20:06 jcamins Or I would be, if I didn't have to choose what I wanted to do from a dropdown menu.
20:07 cait hm you don't exactly have to do that I think?
20:07 just push the big red button?
20:07 jcamins Okay, figured out how to get it to start recording.
20:07 cait :)
20:07 jcamins It turns out when you load it right after installing it you're presented with a tutorial thing, not the actual IDE, or something like that.
20:08 When I reopened the IDE, the window looked different and there was a record button.
20:09 Interesting.
20:09 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:12 jcamins Okay, I don't like it.
20:13 I use a NoScript and RequestPolicy.
20:13 wizzyrea yea I tried it out too - my experience was that you couldn't get really very good tests out of it
20:22 * libsysguy actually had good luck
20:22 libsysguy what the heck are you guys doing lol
20:26 If anybody wants a screencast I'd be happy to do one
20:26 rangi if you can get valid tests
20:26 that dont bustinate
20:26 libsysguy or if you want me to shut up about it I can do that too
20:26 rangi jenkins can run them
20:26 so id like that
20:26 there is a selenium plugin for jenkins
20:27 of course it needs a running koha to replay them against
20:27 libsysguy well, its like I said in the email to the devel list
20:27 rangi so would take me work to set up
20:27 libsysguy you need a common koha to run them agains
20:27 rangi we actually need hmm 4
20:27 libsysguy hmm 4?
20:27 wahanui 4 is, like, the attribute in bib1.att for title
20:27 rangi 3.6, 3.8, 3.10, and master
20:27 libsysguy true
20:27 rangi ideally
20:27 but i could add another slave to jenkins
20:27 that ran those
20:28 i just need another server
20:28 having those would be good anyway
20:28 * rangi will bbiab
20:28 rangi gotta go be all agile or something
20:28 libsysguy get to that SCRUM meeting man
20:28 rambutan I have a couple of extra servers I wish I could give out to people.
20:28 libsysguy physical boxes?
20:29 rambutan yea
20:29 * libsysguy ponders this
20:29 libsysguy I think my ISP would freak
20:29 plus my upload here is poo
20:29 rambutan decent machines too...I think I have a Sun Fire x4100 still...
20:30 libsysguy I wonder if AWS has deals for FOSS projects
20:31 I don't think Koha would run well on the micro platform
20:31 rambutan You know, I got a couple of Sun Fire "somethingsIforget" for like $90. Refurbished, 8GB ram, two dual core Opteron processors, twin 2.5" hard drives...
20:32 libsysguy where from?
20:33 rambutan Don't remember...wait, let me see if they are databased....
20:34 in the meantime.... http://home.techsoup.org/Stock[…]tegory=RCIServers
20:36 Sun Fire V20z - Andover Consulting Group - 2 Seagate Cheeta 2.5" SCSI hard drives, 8GB memory, 2 NICs, rackmount - $79.99
20:37 libsysguy still, I have a lack of bandwidth to run them here
20:37 10x1 doesn't cut the mustard
20:37 * cait moves from management to maths... *sigh*
20:39 libsysguy I guess we could spin up 4 AWS instances free for a year :p
20:46 rambutan libsysguy: do your previous comments about bw refer to a library?
20:48 libsysguy oh no, I work from home, and so my home connection is 10 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up
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20:50 rangi basically if they were on the net, with ssh access, i could turn them into jenkins slaves
20:50 smeagol Hi. I'm having a little problem installing koha on vmware as a virtual machine. All of the files are owned by root, but i am following install.Debian vers 2010/2011 using sudo. Does anyone have an idea as to why this is happening?
20:50 thanks
20:52 jcamins smeagol: version 2010/2011?
20:52 cait eythian: my printer hates me. I think it's planning something.
20:53 smeagol install.Debian notes copyright 2010/2011
20:53 jcamins What version of Koha are you trying to install?
20:54 And you haven't told us what the problem you are having is, which should probably have been my first question.
20:54 first question?
20:54 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
20:54 jcamins See, even the bot knows to ask that first. :)
20:55 rangi smeagol: i would use the debian packages too
20:55 cait ok, totally offtopic question
20:56 I am trying to print a pdf
20:56 jcamins Yes, definitely use packages.
20:56 cait and it doesn'tmatter which setting I choose from the pdf viewer (tried the ubuntu one and adobe) - it always prints wrong, only half of it fits on the page
20:56 and I tried various setting, it always looks the same
20:56 i don't want to kill more trees.
20:57 but i want my homework!
20:57 oh and of course... the preview looks right
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20:58 smeagol jcamins: I get error message "Forbidden..You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request." when trying to run intranet installer
20:59 I am doing a git install...
21:00 jcamins Sounds like your installation is not readable by the Apache suer.
21:00 *user
21:00 If you are doing a git install, you should not be using sudo at all.
21:01 smeagol Yes. and all files are "root"
21:03 jcamins smeagol: right, if you are doing a git install and running everything as your user, *no* files should be owned by root.
21:05 smeagol So i have to log in as koha user and do the install, and not as root, i guess
21:06 jcamins Why are you doing a git install?
21:07 smeagol To contribute some code
21:07 jcamins Okay, just checking you weren't doing a git install because some instructions told you to for production. :)
21:08 Then, yes, you should be doing the installation as either your user or a koha user.
21:09 smeagol What's the cleanest way to uninstall koha, then?. I don't want to miss any files...thx
21:09 jcamins If you did a git install then there's no uninstallation necessary. Just delete the koha-dev directory.
21:10 You could even simply change the ownership on kohaclone and koha-dev.
21:10 smeagol I thought about that.
21:11 The primary dirs are kohaclone and koha-dev, then?
21:11 jcamins Yeah, you cloned the code into kohaclone, and then if you chose dev install, it stuck everything in koha-dev.
21:11 (by default)
21:11 If you changed the defaults, of course, you'll have to figure out what you changed them to.
21:12 smeagol No, i kept the defaults. thanks, i will do that.
21:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #228: SUCCESS in 1 hr 20 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/228/
21:18 cnighswonger: Bug 9085 - Installer will not run with DEBUG set
21:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9085 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Stable , Installer will not run with DEBUG set
21:23 eythian hi
21:26 cait printer problem solved :)
21:28 eythian excellent, happy to help :)
21:28 cait lol
21:29 I am sure that the facts of you appearing and the sudden printing success are not related
21:29 eythian the sample would suggest otherwise
21:31 francharb good night all
21:32 cait brother-cups-wrapper-laser <<
21:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #947: SUCCESS in 1 hr 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/947/
21:47 * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8844: UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl creates a modification log
21:47 * jcamins: Bug 9070: [SIGNED-OFF] authority searches in auth_finder error out
21:47 * veron: Bug 9017 - Quote of the day: Table footer not translated
21:47 * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9024: Adding sample patron attributes to German web installer
21:47 * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9024: Add missing sample data to existing files
21:47 * mirko: Bug 9024: Fix typo
21:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8844 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl creates a modification log
21:47 jenkins_koha * mathieu.saby: Bug 8954: Make languages list in advanced search translatable (revision 1)
21:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9070 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Searching for authority from tag editor for field 650 gives error
21:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9017 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Quote of the day: Table footer not translated
21:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9024 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add additional sample data to German installer
21:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8954 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Languages list in advanced search always in english
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23:06 eythian > See verbse embedded documentation.
23:06 there is no verbose embedded documentation :(
23:07 jcamins eythian: I've encountered notes like that.
23:07 eythian jcamins: do you know what the "scan" argument to getRecords does?
23:07 jcamins eythian: yeah, it's to activate scan instead of find.
23:07 eythian what does that mean?
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23:10 jcamins eythian: what do you mean?
23:11 eythian what does "activate scan instead of find" mean?
23:11 from looking at the results, it seems that it produced all words that would match what you searched for, and so lets you refine your search a bit, but I don't know if that's what's actually happening.
23:12 jcamins Ohh.
23:12 I thought you wanted to know what to pass to that argument.
23:12 eythian oh right
23:12 jcamins Scanning allows you to view a particular index starting at a particular point.
23:13 eythian well, my real question was "what does 'scan indexes'" in advanced staff search do, I'd just traced it there.
23:13 jcamins Think "real browse."
23:13 eythian "real browse"?
23:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #229 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:13 jcamins You know, browsing an alphabetical list.
23:13 Rather than fake browse, which is what Koha does, which does a search and then shows the results under the label "Browse."
23:14 The scan is just a list of entries in the index.
23:14 eythian the zebra index?
23:14 jcamins With an indication of how many records match.
23:14 Right.
23:14 eythian right, OK.
23:14 jcamins It doesn't work with ICU.
23:14 eythian I think I get this well enough to explain it to someone else now :)
23:15 jcamins Well- don't use it with ICU.
23:15 eythian I'm not using ICU
23:15 jcamins I know.
23:15 I was just clarifying that when I say "it doesn't work with ICU" I don't necessarily mean that it doesn't work with ICU.
23:16 eythian ah right
23:16 jcamins BTW, have I mentioned recently how much I hate C4::Search?
23:16 C4::Search--
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23:16 eythian probably, but there's nothing wrong with saying it again :)
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23:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #229: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/229/
23:51 magnus: Bug 9058 - Norwegian default for CalendarFirstDayOfWeek
23:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9058 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Norwegian default for CalendarFirstDayOfWeek

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