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| 00:27 | Jurgens | Hi. Is there a way to generate and send a message that tells a patron what books she/he has on hold and their place in the queue? |
| 00:35 | eythian | Jurgens: I don't think there is a way, though they can see their holds via their login on the OPAC. Not sure if it gives queue position there though. |
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| 00:42 | Jurgens | thanks |
| 01:09 | jcamins_away | Myshkin extends his greetings. |
| 01:09 | rangi | http://www.rpnyc.org.nz/index.[…]ue-week-2-group-2 |
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| 02:34 | Guest5479 | re: jurgens question, certainly you could write a report that would do that |
| 02:35 | eythian | yes, but the report wouldn't tell the patron their info, just the librarian. |
| 02:37 | Guest5479 | but you could take the output and smash it into a mail merge :P |
| 02:37 | and send that to the patron | |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | i know mail merge how quaint |
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| 03:09 | jcamins_away | I was talking to someone the other day who had never heard of a mail merge. |
| 03:09 | I don't remember who it is, but it was a computer person who objected "why don't you just use BCC and not put names in?" | |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 03:11 | * jcamins_away | is apparently one of the last people to remember postal mail. |
| 03:13 | jcamins_away | Though whoever I was talking to, it was not libsysguy. |
| 03:22 | mtj | go and do a google on it |
| 03:23 | * jcamins_away | just did |
| 03:23 | mtj | theres been about 20 references to it , on NZ nat-radio in the last 3 hours?! |
| 03:23 | jcamins_away | Sounds like he's concerned about corruption (possibly rightly, possibly not), and because he's rich it's newsworthy. |
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| 03:32 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea++ |
| 03:33 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 03:43 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #64 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago) |
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| 04:04 | druthb | o/ |
| 04:04 | mtj | \o hey ruth o/ |
| 04:06 | druthb | :) split personality, Mason? |
| 04:08 | mtj | nah, double greetings |
| 04:16 | druthb | woo hoo! |
| 04:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.6.x build #64: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/64/ |
| 04:26 | * kyle: Bug 8862 - merge.pl contains untranslatable strings | |
| 04:26 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 8862 follow-up s/\t/4spaces/g | |
| 04:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8862 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, merge.pl contains untranslatable strings |
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| 05:15 | * Oak | waves |
| 05:15 | Oak | magnuse |
| 05:15 | rangi, | |
| 05:16 | nah should not have disturbed Chris actually... | |
| 05:16 | my bad' | |
| 05:16 | oh look druthb is here | |
| 05:16 | and Mr Robin | |
| 05:17 | druthb | oh, look, Oak is here. :) Salaam alyakum, dear friend. |
| 05:19 | Oak | Walaikum Asalam mam :) |
| 05:20 | druthb | :) |
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| 05:30 | mib_db6j3k | can we use koha to do indexing of journals? |
| 05:30 | druthb | Full-text? no, not really. But anything you can squeeze into a MARC record, yeah, pretty-much. |
| 05:31 | * druthb | has seen some pretty interesting perversions of MARC for things like that. |
| 05:31 | mib_db6j3k | thanks for answer. Also, can I attached an audio file, media file and scanned files (.pdf) to KOHA? |
| 05:32 | druthb | Again, not directly. What some people have done for digital resources like that is store them on a web server somewhere, and put a link to those in the 856$u of the MARC. |
| 05:32 | It's kludgy, but it works. | |
| 05:32 | mib_db6j3k | thanks for the help. :) |
| 05:32 | druthb | Sure thing. :) |
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| 05:36 | * druthb | runs and hides. |
| 05:43 | mib_db6j3k | I have few more questions... can Koha do the following: 1) search, add, modify, delete record. view list of documents for a selected record. 2) view pages of a selected document. 3) rotate page clockwise and counter-clockwise. zoom page to various settings. 4) encode indexes for documents in a docCD and in a cache. encode indexes for scanned pages. |
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| 05:44 | druthb | mib_db6j3k: All of that would imply "digital archive", which Koha *is not*. a link to the file is about all you're gonna get, plus any descriptive metadata you put in the MARC record. |
| 05:46 | mib_db6j3k | Thanks much. |
| 05:49 | druthb | Sure thing. It's a matter of the "right tool for the job." Koha's the right tool for a library card catalog replacement--but for a digital archive, it's just not the right tool. |
| 05:56 | cait | hi druthb :) |
| 05:56 | druthb | hi, cait. |
| 06:53 | magnuse | kia ora cait and druthb and #koha! |
| 06:53 | druthb | kia ora, magnuse! :D |
| 06:54 | cait | morning magnuse |
| 06:55 | magnuse | yay! |
| 06:59 | * magnuse | adds voting on the license to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_5_December_2012 |
| 07:01 | cait | magnuse++ |
| 07:01 | you beat me to it :) | |
| 07:02 | magnuse | moahahah |
| 07:02 | druthb | cait++ |
| 07:02 | magnuse++ | |
| 07:02 | magnuse | bag is coming to marseille?!? cool! |
| 07:05 | * cait | wants to go too |
| 07:05 | * druthb | too. |
| 07:06 | * magnuse | too |
| 07:06 | magnuse | and the wife seems quite keen to tag along now, so it might happen :-) |
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| 07:09 | lds | bonjour |
| 07:09 | hello | |
| 07:09 | druthb | hey, rangi: who controls the DNS for koha-community.org? |
| 07:10 | rangi | HLT |
| 07:10 | i can make changes tho | |
| 07:11 | druthb | Cool. fredericd and I are working out coordination on when to switch over. |
| 07:11 | magnuse | druthb++ |
| 07:11 | fredericd++ | |
| 07:11 | rangi | cool |
| 07:13 | alex_a_ | bonjour #koha |
| 07:14 | magnuse | oh rangi, wanted to ask you: did the opensearch stuff you used to integrate search results from kete into koha ever get upstreamed? |
| 07:14 | i couldn't find it, and now i can't see search results from the hlt kete on their koha either | |
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| 07:16 | druthb | rangi: Could you make a change at 2200 UTC, 16 hours from now, on that DNS? |
| 07:18 | rangi | nope |
| 07:18 | im gonna be in a meeting then | |
| 07:18 | druthb | :/ hrm. just before, just after? There's some wiggle room. |
| 07:19 | (propogation and whatnot, that time need not be precise.) | |
| 07:20 | rangi | probably not for a couple of hours after that |
| 07:20 | druthb | That should be fine; I can notify the translators that things may be wonky for a bit. |
| 07:21 | translate.koha-community.org IN A 96.126.118.111 | |
| 07:22 | cait | hm |
| 07:22 | druthb | hm? |
| 07:23 | cait | I think string freeze for 3.8.7 is coming up |
| 07:23 | rangi | tomorrow in fact |
| 07:23 | cait | and people are madly translating right now - how long will it take? and will you be able to generate the fils? |
| 07:23 | druthb | couple of hours, and yes. |
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| 07:24 | druthb | hm. We could wait until Sunday night...fredericd? |
| 07:24 | I'm out all weekend, or I'd say do it then. | |
| 07:25 | How long would we need to wait, to put it outside the "madly translating" window? | |
| 07:25 | cait | after release |
| 07:26 | if you want it to put outside | |
| 07:26 | druthb | a week from now. I could do that, if fredericd can. |
| 07:27 | * druthb | pokes fredericd gently |
| 07:27 | fredericd | I can also |
| 07:27 | druthb | good. We'll make plans early next week for exact timing. :) |
| 07:28 | magnuse | @arewethereyet |
| 07:28 | huginn | magnuse: Not yet - wait 7 days |
| 07:29 | druthb | huginn++ |
| 07:29 | * druthb | looks at the time, and gasps. |
| 07:29 | glares at cait. | |
| 07:29 | cait | why me? |
| 07:29 | I didn't tell you to stay up late! | |
| 07:30 | druthb | who is it that usually hounds me when I do? A certain German beste freundin, that's who. |
| 07:30 | cait | I did tell you when I woke up |
| 07:31 | that's about 2 hours ago | |
| 07:31 | * druthb | reviews the log. Nooooo, that's not what you said. |
| 07:32 | druthb | :P |
| 07:32 | cait | GO TO BED! |
| 07:32 | druthb | okie. *poof* |
| 07:36 | magnuse | "Reference instruction phrase in subfield $i", eh? clear as ink... |
| 07:37 | cait | what fields are you looking at? |
| 07:39 | magnuse | translating |
| 07:39 | wahanui | translating is ok of course :) |
| 07:39 | cait | ah |
| 07:39 | magnuse | that's good to know, wahanui |
| 07:39 | wahanui | magnuse: what? |
| 07:39 | cait | I think I looked it up in dnb's translation of marc21 |
| 07:40 | magnuse | ooh, clever |
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| 07:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:40 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
| 07:40 | magnuse | sadly, there is no norwegian translation of marc21, 'cause we're so special we gotta have our own marc :-/ |
| 07:41 | cait | heh |
| 07:43 | bbl | |
| 07:57 | matts | hi ! |
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| 08:00 | Jurgens | Hi - I've got a question about a checkout alert - lets say you have an accompanying disk - according to the manual if you've coded in the marc record accordingly, then you should be alerted that an book etc is accompanied by a disk. |
| 08:00 | As I understand it it should be the Marc 300 $e field... | |
| 08:08 | rangi | 952$3 |
| 08:08 | clrh | hello |
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| 08:08 | rangi | 300$e is marc21 specific |
| 08:09 | 952$3 is where koha gets it alert from, its at the item level not biblio level | |
| 08:09 | Jurgens | ok.. is there away to edit the item level within koha - or would i need to reimport the marc record after having edited it in say MarcEdit.. |
| 08:10 | Thanks for that rangi.. 952$3 does make more sense! | |
| 08:12 | awesome, got it to work. thanks for that. i just missed the obvious here rangi! | |
| 08:12 | rangi | no worries |
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| 08:13 | kf | rangi++ |
| 08:16 | paul_p | good morning everybody |
| 08:16 | rangi | hi paul_p |
| 08:16 | kf | good morning paul_p |
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| 08:24 | magnuse | kia or paul_p and drojf |
| 08:25 | drojf | hi magnuse |
| 09:21 | * magnuse | shouldn't really be spending his time thinking about things like http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]external_data_RFC ... |
| 10:20 | Oak | rangi++ |
| 10:25 | mtj | magnuse++ thanks for updating the meeting agenda |
| 10:25 | magnuse | mtj: my pleasure :-) |
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| 12:37 | chris_n | g'morning |
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| 12:43 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 12:45 | libsysguy | morning jcamins |
| 12:49 | jcamins | Ooh, you finished your work on bug 7882? |
| 12:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , move or reorder 6xx and 7xx fields |
| 12:49 | jcamins | Cool! |
| 12:50 | libsysguy | yeah it was done awhile ago I just forgot to mark it |
| 12:50 | oops | |
| 12:51 | * libsysguy | now waits for jcamins to fail it |
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| 12:51 | jcamins | lol |
| 12:53 | tcohen | morning jcamins, #koha |
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| 12:53 | jcamins | Bad news. |
| 12:53 | wahanui | bad news is that you're probably royally screwed |
| 12:53 | jcamins | lol |
| 12:54 | Not quite. | |
| 12:54 | libsysguy | especially coming from jcamins |
| 12:54 | druthb | wahanui: good news? |
| 12:54 | wahanui | i guess good news is it looks like it's running properly. |
| 12:54 | druthb | lulz |
| 12:54 | libsysguy | aww soab jcamins |
| 12:55 | of course it doesn't | |
| 12:55 | tcohen | jcamins? |
| 12:55 | wahanui | jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. |
| 12:55 | jcamins | Told you there was bad news. |
| 12:55 | druthb | druthb? |
| 12:55 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 13:03 | tcohen | jcamins, bad news? |
| 13:03 | jcamins | tcohen: libsysguy's patch didn't apply. |
| 13:03 | tcohen | whihc one? |
| 13:03 | jcamins | For bug 7882. |
| 13:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Patch doesn't apply , move or reorder 6xx and 7xx fields |
| 13:03 | jcamins | I was curious what it looked like. |
| 13:04 | libsysguy | i suppose you are waiting patiently for me to rebase it? |
| 13:04 | jcamins | libsysguy: not really. |
| 13:04 | libsysguy | heh |
| 13:04 | jcamins | I lost interest. :P |
| 13:04 | libsysguy | i'll wait a couple of weeks |
| 13:04 | you've got to see it since its coming through 3.12 | |
| 13:06 | jcamins | Yes, that's why I lost interest. |
| 13:07 | libsysguy | harsh man |
| 13:08 | :p | |
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| 13:10 | dgl-library | Hi #koha |
| 13:11 | libsysguy | hey dgl-library |
| 13:11 | wahanui | dgl-library is in India |
| 13:11 | dgl-library | Hey libsysguy |
| 13:11 | wahanui | i think libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer |
| 13:11 | dgl-library | I wonder if anyone can answer a question about strange unicode search behavior |
| 13:12 | jcamins | dgl-library: hard to say, but ask your question and we'll find out. |
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| 13:15 | dgl-library1 | When we enter a search term in a foreign (Unicode) language, no matter how small or large the search term, the results include ALL foreign-unicode titles, whether relevant or not. |
| 13:15 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:16 | dgl-library1 | Is there a setting we need to change or something to activate unicode use? |
| 13:16 | Hi oleonard | |
| 13:16 | jcamins | dgl-library: you need to use ICU. |
| 13:17 | dgl-library1 | Intensive Care Unit? |
| 13:19 | jcamins | I Components for Unicode. |
| 13:20 | dgl-library1 | OK. How do I install that and get koha to use it? |
| 13:21 | jcamins | Hm. |
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| 13:21 | jcamins | The easiest thing to do is go through Makefile.PL again. |
| 13:22 | dgl-library1 | I'm sorry, you've lost me. I need to reinstall Koha? |
| 13:22 | jcamins | That's the easiest way to do it. |
| 13:22 | dgl-library1 | Wow. |
| 13:22 | jcamins | And the only method I am currently awake enough to explain. |
| 13:23 | * drojf | pours some coffee for jcamins |
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| 13:23 | dgl-library1 | Thanks drojf! Let's make it a strong one. |
| 13:23 | I think reinstalling is a major, major undertaking. | |
| 13:23 | jcamins | Not really. |
| 13:23 | dgl-library1 | And tonight is my last night physically present for this project. So if there's any other way…… |
| 13:23 | jcamins | I do it once a month. |
| 13:24 | dgl-library1 | How do I do it? |
| 13:24 | drojf | mtompset did it several times a day ;) |
| 13:24 | jcamins | You can edit the configuration files manually. |
| 13:24 | drojf: lol | |
| 13:24 | dgl-library1: actually, wait. | |
| 13:24 | You used packages, didn't you? | |
| 13:25 | The package installs all the files you need. | |
| 13:25 | * jcamins | just remembered. |
| 13:25 | dgl-library1 | It was like 11 months ago that I installed Koha… I can't remember :( |
| 13:25 | jcamins | Well, where is koha-conf.xml? |
| 13:25 | wahanui | well, koha-conf.xml is a config file, not a port |
| 13:25 | jcamins | wahanui: huh? |
| 13:25 | wahanui | jcamins: wish i knew |
| 13:26 | dgl-library1 | Hang on, I'll check |
| 13:26 | tcohen | libsysguy: did u have the time to check those patches for the calendar? |
| 13:27 | i'll be till later at work today to have more time to fix anything that arises | |
| 13:27 | dgl-library1 | It'll be a few minutes before I can access the server. What's the usual path to koha-conf.xml? And what do I need to do once I find it? |
| 13:27 | libsysguy | probably not today tcohen, tomorrow is my day dedicated to testing and sign-offs |
| 13:27 | jcamins | dgl-library1: I just want to know where it is. |
| 13:27 | tcohen | ok libsysguy |
| 13:27 | wahanui | i think libsysguy is dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets |
| 13:28 | jcamins | It will either be at /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml or /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml. |
| 13:32 | dgl-library1: I should point out that enabling ICU will involve a complete reindex, and once you have started the process, searches will not work until you have finished. | |
| 13:33 | (either enabled ICU or reverted the changes) | |
| 13:35 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: the location is /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml |
| 13:36 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 13:37 | And you're running Koha 3.8.6, right? | |
| 13:38 | dgl-library1 | nope, 3.06.04.000 |
| 13:39 | I have to step away from the computer for the moment, but I'll read your messages when I get back | |
| 13:40 | jcamins | That's somewhat problematic. |
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| 14:37 | kf | talljoy: around? I was looking for your slides from kohacon :) |
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| 14:37 | talljoy | hey kf. really? i'll see if i can get them to you. |
| 14:37 | running to the car shop atm. brb | |
| 14:39 | kf | talljoy_afk: I have a student asking how migrations work for libraries |
| 14:40 | talljoy_afk: so I am trying to make him a list of related presentations from the koha community - it's for a presentation he has to do | |
| 14:45 | drojf | kf: can you do my homework too? :) |
| 14:46 | kf | drojf: :P |
| 14:46 | jcamins | Ooh, kf is doing our homework? |
| 14:47 | drojf | :) |
| 14:47 | kf | wah |
| 14:47 | * kf | hides |
| 14:47 | drojf | she's probably bored because there is so little work after her vacation :P |
| 14:49 | jcamins | drojf: true. |
| 14:49 | We should find some work for her. | |
| 14:49 | drojf | great idea. she will be so happy |
| 14:50 | jcamins | :D |
| 14:50 | * drojf | walks off into the fog for shopping |
| 14:50 | drojf | might be smog :D |
| 14:51 | kf | no cookies for both of you! |
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| 15:08 | Manderson | Hi...we were talking the other day about why Koha uses the 'daemon' command to launch zebrasrv into the background when zebrasrv has it's own daemonize flag (-D) |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Manderson: yes, because the daemon command allows us to manage the daemon, whereas -D just allows us to detach it. |
| 15:08 | Manderson | Redhat doesn't have the 'daemon' command, and I find that `pkill zebrasrv` works quite well |
| 15:08 | just wanted to throw that tidbit out there. | |
| 15:09 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: Hi, I'm back, and it looks like you're still awake :) If you have time, I'd be grateful if we can continue with the ICU installation |
| 15:09 | jcamins | dgl-library1: it's a lot more complicated with Koha 3.6.x. |
| 15:09 | dgl-library1 | :| |
| 15:10 | jcamins | Manderson: still seems less convenient than "sudo service zebra stop" |
| 15:10 | Manderson | I hacked koha-zebra-ctl.sh, and it's almost as easy... |
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| 15:11 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: What would it entail with 3.6.x? |
| 15:11 | Manderson | /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-ctl.sh stop/start/restart |
| 15:12 | jcamins | dgl-library1: I am not 100% sure what it would involve in production. |
| 15:12 | dgl-library1 | Oh. |
| 15:13 | I suppose it's a good reason to upgrade to 3.8.x, then, but I'm going to have to do it via a remote desktop connection. Not ideal | |
| 15:13 | jcamins | I have my own packages so I don't have to worry about editing files. |
| 15:14 | dgl-library1 | Is there any other way for me to make search work in other languages besides this clearly complicated way? |
| 15:14 | jcamins | dgl-library1: if it makes you feel better, I'm not sure I've ever installed Koha on a computer I had direct access to. |
| 15:14 | No. | |
| 15:14 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: I suppose that does! |
| 15:15 | jcamins | And I should point out when I say "it's complicated," we're going to be changing... |
| 15:15 | two lines. | |
| 15:15 | In one file. | |
| 15:15 | dgl-library1 | I can handle that. |
| 15:15 | Can I do it in 3.6.x? | |
| 15:15 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 15:15 | dgl-library1 | I'm all ears. |
| 15:16 | jcamins | That was a response to you being able to handle it. :) |
| 15:16 | dgl-library1 | Oh. :( |
| 15:16 | jcamins | The problem is that 3.6.x doesn't have words-icu.xml file you need. |
| 15:17 | And I've never tried setting ICU up manually so I don't really know where it goes. | |
| 15:17 | dgl-library1 | But it's included in the standard 3.8.x install? |
| 15:17 | jcamins | I think so. |
| 15:17 | I'll confirm. | |
| 15:20 | dgl-library1 | brb |
| 15:20 | jcamins | Confirmed. |
| 15:29 | talljoy | kf: http://www.slideshare.net/slid[…]bed_code/15192180 |
| 15:30 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:34 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: So upgrading to 3.8.x is the answer, then. I imagine that entails other major changes, though. |
| 15:36 | jcamins | dgl-library1: you could also try creating words-icu.xml in /etc/koha/zebradb/etc: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9e01afe6a;hb=HEAD |
| 15:37 | dgl-library1 | Thanks, checking that now |
| 15:37 | jcamins | And then editing /etc/koha/zebradb/etc/default.idx to have "icuchains words-icu.xml" instead of "charmap word-phrase-utf.chr" |
| 15:37 | kf | talljoy: thx! |
| 15:37 | talljoy | your welcome! |
| 15:37 | jcamins | dgl-library1: however, I repeat my earlier caution: I don't know if that's all there is to it for a 3.6.x package install. |
| 15:38 | Right... I have a question. | |
| 15:38 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: Caveat acknowledged. Thanks. |
| 15:38 | jcamins | paul_p: around? |
| 15:38 | dgl-library1: and, of course, you'll have to reindex after you do that. | |
| 15:38 | paul_p | jcamins sir, yes sir ! |
| 15:39 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: Am I risking any damage by adding that file? |
| 15:39 | jcamins | dgl-library1: not by adding the file. |
| 15:39 | kf | talljoy: mind if you put the link on the wiki too? for kohacon12? |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Oh, and you have to restart Zebra. |
| 15:39 | paul_p: I was thinking about your concerns with faceting in Zebra/PazPar2. | |
| 15:39 | kf | talljoy: this page: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ation_Heuristics_.2820_min.29 :) |
| 15:39 | jcamins | The problem is that with ICU you get gibberish out of Zebra's indexes. |
| 15:39 | talljoy | go ahead. no problem at all. i used the default license but figure i should've used a creative commons license for it. suggestions on which type of CC license? |
| 15:40 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: I'll restart the server, guess that'd do it? I dunno how to restart zebra. |
| 15:40 | jcamins: So I'll be creating gibberish? | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | dgl-library1: sudo service koha-common restart |
| 15:40 | dgl-library1: that was to paul_p. | |
| 15:40 | And, yes, but it doesn't matter. | |
| 15:41 | paul_p: if you _don't_ have ICU enabled, you still get Unicode out of Zebra's indexes, you just can't search them, right? | |
| 15:41 | liw | jcamins, did you get the recommends problem fixed? |
| 15:41 | jcamins | liw: eythian took over. :) |
| 15:41 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: Dumb question, but how can I copy that without the line numbers? the "raw" link doesn't do anything. |
| 15:42 | liw | jcamins, cool, then I don't need to feel guilty for not having a solution |
| 15:42 | jcamins | dgl-library1: copy them one at a time. |
| 15:42 | *lines | |
| 15:42 | dgl-library1 | k |
| 15:42 | jcamins | Though "raw" works just fine for me. |
| 15:42 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: By the way, (heading off on a tangent while I copy the text) since you normally work via remote access, what's the best way to do secure remote desktop access on Linux, bypassing firewalls? On Windows I can use LogMeIn, but on Linux I haven't got a clue. |
| 15:43 | jcamins | liw: it seems like the problem might be changes to the packaging system in Ubuntu 12.04 getting in the way of building packages for Squeeze. |
| 15:43 | dgl-library1: SSH. | |
| 15:43 | Only way to go. | |
| 15:43 | One day we hope that Windows will have as good an option. | |
| 15:43 | dgl-library1 | ssh + ? |
| 15:43 | kf | talljoy: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ation_Heuristics_.2820_min.29 :) |
| 15:44 | jcamins | If you use Windows at home, you can download putty as an SSH client. |
| 15:44 | talljoy | looks good kf. thanks a bunch! |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Linux, *BSD, and Mac computers will all already have an SSH client installed. |
| 15:45 | paul_p: anyway, my question is: we make facets only out of a subset of indexes. Why don't we just use CHR for faceting indexes? | |
| 15:45 | kf | talljoy: thx to you too :) |
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| 15:45 | paul_p | jcamins CHR ? |
| 15:46 | jcamins | paul_p: the non-ICU option. |
| 15:46 | paul_p | yes, I confirm we "get Unicode out of Zebra's indexes, you just can't search them" |
| 15:46 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: you're talking about command-line access, not graphical access, right? |
| 15:46 | paul_p | jcamins because you can't have both CHR & ICU (or you need 2 zebras) |
| 15:46 | jcamins | dgl-library1: yes, of course. |
| 15:47 | paul_p | (and if you've a male and a female, that will soon be a complete family :D :D) |
| 15:47 | jcamins | paul_p: are you sure? |
| 15:47 | paul_p | jcamins yes I'm (but I may have missed something) |
| 15:48 | jcamins | How do you specify that a Zebra server is supposed to be an ICU instance instead of a CHR instance? |
| 15:48 | I only see index types. | |
| 15:48 | paul_p | just change 2 lines in the file of index types, right |
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| 15:49 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: I can't do much on Linux without the desktop. :( Will keep searching. |
| 15:50 | jcamins | paul_p: I believe -- though I haven't tried it -- that I can add an additional type of index. |
| 15:50 | I read about that somewhere and wondered why I'd want to. | |
| 15:51 | paul_p | jcamins = that could work, but I feel that could be tricky (and not a long term solution anyway. The long term one is : use solr) |
| 15:52 | jcamins | paul_p: Solr will never be an option on a machine with 512MB of RAM. |
| 15:53 | If we could use Zebra's built-in faceting, that make it much easier to switch between Zebra and Solr. | |
| 15:53 | So people with 512MB of RAM can continue to use Koha with Zebra, and the rest of us can use Koha with Solr. | |
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| 16:10 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: I made those changes, and now I get no search results at all. |
| 16:10 | jcamins | dgl-library1: after reindexing? |
| 16:12 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: I tried sudo service koha-common restart and I also tried rebooting |
| 16:12 | jcamins | dgl-library1: did you reindex? |
| 16:12 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: How do I do that? |
| 16:12 | jcamins | sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full library |
| 16:14 | dgl-library1 | This is weird: sudo: unknown user: library-koha |
| 16:15 | jcamins | In that case you probably didn't call your instance "library." |
| 16:15 | kf | bye all |
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| 16:15 | jcamins | Remember, I don't have access to your server, and wouldn't look at it unless I were being paid to. You have to filter all my advice through your own knowledge of how you set things up. |
| 16:16 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: I understand, and I appreciate your help. |
| 16:17 | jcamins | I generally follow up instructions that must be repeated verbatim with the instruction "Exactly like that," since most people don't actually pay attention to my instructions. ;) |
| 16:20 | dgl-library1 | By the way, on another tangent, did you ever get in contact with the CEO of duckduckgo.com about funding and tech assistance for the search functionality? |
| 16:20 | OK, reindexing is done. Looks like 3.6.x doesn't like ICU. | |
| 16:21 | jcamins | dgl-library1: I did not, but it's still on my to-do list. |
| 16:26 | dgl-library1: unfortunately, the best I can advise is to reverse the changes to default.idx, reindex, and go back to not using ICU. | |
| 16:27 | dgl-library1 | jcamins: Yes, just did that. Thanks for helping me with that little experiment. I guess I'll try to upgrade to 3.8.x once I figure out how to set up SSH (tomorrow morning), because I'll have to do it remotely. |
| 16:27 | jcamins: Have a good day (or night, as the case may be). | |
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| 16:54 | drojf | jcamins: what's that about DDG and funding the search functionality? |
| 16:54 | jcamins | drojf: dgl-library suggested contacting them... the owner sponsors open source projects. |
| 16:55 | rambutan | is dgl a private library or something -- "owner"? |
| 16:55 | drojf | yes, but i think it's a once a year thing. ddg community gets to vote for some projects and he chooses some and gives a percentage of his revenue |
| 16:56 | rambutan | or a support company maybe? |
| 16:56 | jcamins | drojf: ah, I don't know much about it. It's on my to-do list. |
| 16:56 | rambutan: no, it's a small special library in India. | |
| 16:57 | drojf | he should know koha from me complaining about listing k-c.org not on top for all searches :D |
| 16:58 | oleonard | Does that work drojf? |
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| 17:01 | jcamins | I require a way to turn a search into a list of records which I can then download. |
| 17:01 | drojf | oleonard: it did not so far, but i think my point was considered valid. they have this disambiguation thing in DDG and k-c.org is considered "official website" for koha (library system), still thefork™ is 1st result for "koha" before disambiguation. my point is that "official website" status should have more influence in the result of the general search results |
| 17:01 | paul_p | drojf DDG ? |
| 17:02 | drojf | duckduckgo |
| 17:02 | wahanui | duckduckgo is in the MS camp, so that's probably why it's showing twisted results, especially if they see rhcl's OS id'ing as linux |
| 17:02 | drojf | wahanui: what? |
| 17:02 | paul_p | OK, thanks wahanui |
| 17:02 | wahanui | bugger all, i dunno, drojf |
| 17:02 | jcamins | It is a shame that my facile description is the only part of that which would be easy. |
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| 17:04 | drojf | chartreuse o'clock |
| 17:04 | * drojf | drinks to french monks |
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| 17:06 | drojf | eew DDG has a serious spam problem in their forum |
| 17:07 | * cait | waves |
| 17:17 | * drojf | waves to cait |
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| 17:52 | paul_p | see you tomorrow morning #koha ! |
| 17:58 | tcohen | bye paul_p |
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| 18:32 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:32 | wahanui | well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:32 | cait | morning rangi |
| 18:33 | chris_n | heya rangi |
| 18:35 | drojf | morning rangi |
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| 19:01 | rangi | My stop bbiab |
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| 19:23 | rangi | back |
| 19:33 | hmm this is pretty neat | |
| 19:33 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=17430 | |
| 19:34 | cait | yep :) |
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| 19:53 | rangi | 1974 in libwebcats |
| 19:53 | 2000 by the end of the year eh? | |
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| 19:54 | cait | I would think so :) |
| 19:55 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 19:55 | * cait | waves back :) |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | good <time of day> |
| 19:55 | cait | heh |
| 19:58 | rangi | ohh yes please |
| 19:58 | im looking on my phone | |
| 19:58 | * oleonard | crosses his fingers |
| 19:58 | santy | hi everybody! |
| 19:59 | rangi | it works ! |
| 19:59 | santy | I would like to translate Koha's 3.8 manual to spanish and post it at koha-community.org... what do I have to do? |
| 19:59 | rangi | oleonard: does what it should when i rotate the phone too |
| 20:00 | santy: talk to the documentation manager, and look on the koha-translate lists, and archives, some spanish speakers have already done most of it | |
| 20:01 | santy | hi rangi! |
| 20:01 | ok, so be it... but.. who is the documentation manager? | |
| 20:01 | rangi | ill just find the messages int he mailing list |
| 20:01 | santy | and where are the koha-translate lists |
| 20:01 | jcamins | lists? |
| 20:01 | mailing lists? | |
| 20:01 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 20:02 | jcamins | santy: nengard is the documentation manager. |
| 20:02 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/role[…]-12-koha-release/ |
| 20:02 | cait | some people have figured out how to do it using po files |
| 20:03 | santy | ok, so I should then subscribe to the mailing lists and contact nengard, right? |
| 20:03 | cait | i wold try mailing the koha-translate mailing list |
| 20:03 | rangi | yep |
| 20:03 | santy | ok thanks all |
| 20:05 | trea | paste? |
| 20:05 | wahanui | paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 20:28 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #65 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago) |
| 20:28 | * chris_n | finishes up about an hour or so of testing on bug 7167 |
| 20:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements |
| 20:28 | chris_n | three bugs keep me from signing off, otherwise it behaves as advertised |
| 20:30 | rangi | yay 2 more library cards |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | oleonard: that's really cool! |
| 20:30 | rangi | south_taranaki++ |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 20:42 | slef | hi all... bye all... |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | hi slef, bye slef |
| 20:46 | francharb | hi all |
| 20:46 | how are you all doing? | |
| 20:46 | got a question for you guys and ladies! you're sooooo lucky! :) | |
| 20:46 | cait | :) |
| 20:47 | francharb | if I define a HOLD notice for library A and another HOLD notice for library B |
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| 20:48 | francharb | which library koha take into consideration to send the correct HOLD notice? |
| 20:48 | the patron library? | |
| 20:48 | cait | I have no idea |
| 20:48 | francharb | :) |
| 20:48 | cait | I would guess the pickup library |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | the patron's home library |
| 20:49 | no no, you're right | |
| 20:49 | it's the pickup library | |
| 20:49 | the library where the hold is actually filled sends the notice | |
| 20:49 | regardless of who the patron belongs to | |
| 20:49 | cait | makes sense |
| 20:49 | this way you can put in pickup conditions | |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | basically, the library that issues the book sends the notice |
| 20:49 | or the library where the book is waiting. | |
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| 20:50 | francharb | wizzyrea, cait : is the patron library the default pick up location when a patron put an hold on a book ? |
| 20:50 | cait | oh |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | yep, but if the patron picks a different library, it will send a notice from there. |
| 20:51 | cait | I tihnk if the hold is created in staff it's probably the library the staff person is logged in to? (again guessng) hehe |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | no no, it's always the pickup library. |
| 20:51 | cait | ah, always the home library of the patron? |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | no |
| 20:51 | those aren't always the same | |
| 20:51 | francharb | :) |
| 20:51 | cait | now you got me confused :) |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | let me tell you a story |
| 20:51 | * cait | will be quiet now :) |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 20:52 | patron a lives in town 1, and town 1 is her library | |
| 20:52 | she works in town 2 | |
| 20:53 | so she sets her holds to come to town 2, because town 1's library is closed when she gets off of work | |
| 20:53 | her home library is town 1, but she picks them up at town 2 | |
| 20:53 | when the item arrives at town 2, they check it in, they are the issuing library, they fill the hold, they send the notice | |
| 20:53 | make sense? | |
| 20:53 | eythian | hi |
| 20:53 | wahanui | what's up, eythian |
| 20:53 | cait | yep |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | hey eythian |
| 20:53 | francharb | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:54 | thank you cait wizzyrea | |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | you're welcome :) |
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| 20:55 | cait | wizzyrea: what's default for staff placing holds for someone? :) |
| 20:55 | francharb | we should collect every little story on this channel! Koha : you don't get it? here is a little story to make it clear... Once upon a time a librarian who lived in... ;⁾ |
| 20:55 | cait | I mean the default library offered in intranet when you place it |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | they too can change the pickup location |
| 20:56 | but the default is the patron's home library | |
| 20:56 | oleonard | cait: The logged-in library is the default |
| 20:56 | francharb | right |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | are you sure? |
| 20:56 | oleonard | Oh, conflicting answers |
| 20:56 | cait | ah cool that's what I wanted to say, but I think it didn't came out |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | well now I'm not |
| 20:56 | francharb | no non |
| 20:56 | cait, wizzyrea | |
| 20:56 | different perspective | |
| 20:56 | if you are a patron | |
| 20:56 | you're defaut pick up library is : | |
| 20:56 | cait | wizzyrea: I was thinking maybe staff is different then opac |
| 20:57 | francharb | a. your home library or |
| 20:57 | cait | than |
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| 20:57 | francharb | b the one you chose |
| 20:57 | drojf | myinternetconnection-- |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | the default for patrons is their home library |
| 20:57 | in the opac | |
| 20:57 | afaik | |
| 20:57 | francharb | if you are a librarian |
| 20:57 | oleonard | Confirmed: It is the logged-in library which is the default in the staff client. You are warned if this is different from the patron's home library |
| 20:58 | francharb | your default location set up for the hold your put for a patron |
| 20:58 | is your login location | |
| 20:58 | and then | |
| 20:58 | see the oleonard comment above | |
| 20:58 | ;) | |
| 20:58 | above? | |
| 20:58 | wahanui | rumour has it above is the result of apachectl -S. Sorry for pasting directly |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | ok, so for the opac it's always the patron's home library, and in the staff it's the logged in library |
| 20:59 | slef | wahanui: forget above |
| 20:59 | wahanui | slef: I forgot above |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | that's cool, glad to have that cleared up - and now that you say it I see the warning in my mind |
| 20:59 | francharb | :) |
| 21:00 | oleonard | See ya #koha |
| 21:05 | cait | drojf: I am still here |
| 21:08 | chris_n | and thus the chore of debating license upgrade begins... :-) |
| 21:09 | rangi | yup |
| 21:09 | cait | got to be an interesting meeting |
| 21:09 | but we won't leave it without a vote! | |
| 21:10 | * chris_n | hopes so |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.6.x build #65: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/65/ |
| 21:11 | * mirko: Bug 4177 opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface | |
| 21:11 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 8792 : Babeltheque: Remove the unused tab on the opac detail page | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, RESOLVED FIXED, opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface |
| 21:11 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8792 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Babeltheque tab is useless | |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | That's actually winning. :P |
| 21:11 | so, squee. | |
| 21:13 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #66 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago) |
| 21:15 | mtj | i think im gonna stay as much out of the debate, as possible |
| 21:16 | and let my vote at the meeting, do the talking | |
| 21:16 | jcamins | rangi: you had an example of using TT to process MARCXML directly. Do you know where that is? |
| 21:16 | rangi | yep |
| 21:17 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ch[…]tml/slide004.html | |
| 21:18 | jcamins | Great, thanks! |
| 21:19 | * jcamins | is thinking of using TT instead of XSLT for generating printed catalogs. |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Why, you ask? |
| 21:20 | 'Cause it's easier to jam a TT output filter into Koha than an XSLT filter. | |
| 21:20 | Much. | |
| 21:21 | rangi | yep |
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| 21:27 | eythian | won't the patch for bug 9087 actually change the query? |
| 21:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9087 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , In Search.pl if there is parenthesis in itemcallnumber the link is broken |
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| 21:28 | eythian | oh, it's only callnum, that's not so bad |
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| 21:28 | eythian | though I kind of wonder if it should be solved nearer the source in case it affects other searches. |
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| 21:30 | jcamins | eythian: we have special handling for call numbers. |
| 21:30 | eythian | ah OK. |
| 21:39 | Manderson | jcamins: I think of TT as "TrueType"...what is it that you're referring to? |
| 21:40 | Something template. | |
| 21:40 | jcamins | Template::Toolkit. |
| 21:40 | Manderson | AH |
| 21:40 | Thank you | |
| 21:40 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 21:40 | Project Koha_3.6.x build #66: FIXED in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/66/ | |
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| 21:42 | wizzyrea | oh someone fixed the db, bless them. |
| 21:42 | smeagol | I'm doing a git install and getting these errors.." [Thu Nov 15 16:13:49 2012] [error] [client XXX.XXX.xxx.xxx (13)Permission denied: access to / denied AND (13)Permission denied: access to /cgi-bin/koha/errors/403.pl denied |
| 21:43 | Do I have to to change dirs or something in koha-httpd.conf..??? | |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | usually that's a problem with the actual permissions on your git repo - apache can't read them |
| 21:45 | smeagol | yes..was wondering how to fix that, without a reinstall. thx |
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| 21:54 | rangi | fredericd++ |
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| 21:57 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 21:57 | Myshkin just splashed water all over his face when he was trying to steal a sip of my water. | |
| 22:21 | cait | good night #koha |
| 22:23 | Manderson | Question: I had a title called "Doopy Derp", and I replaced it with a z3950 record for "Hanna-Barbera Scooby-Doo mystery comics" - it doesn't seem to have been re-indexed. |
| 22:24 | The record still comes up when a search is performed for "Doopy" | |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | how long ago? |
| 22:24 | Manderson | But doesn't show up with "comics" |
| 22:24 | an hour ago | |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | it really depends on how often your fast indexer runs |
| 22:24 | Manderson | the cron runs every 10 minutes. |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | then yea, that seems odd :) |
| 22:24 | Manderson | Hmm |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | wouldn't hurt to give it a poke, maybe it got hung up? |
| 22:25 | jcamins | wizzyrea: the cronjob runs every ten minutes if you are using the default configuration. |
| 22:25 | Manderson: are you sure than anything is ever reindexed automatically? | |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | right - sometimes people change it though |
| 22:25 | jcamins | wizzyrea: oh, you weren't around during Manderson's epic triumph over RedHat. |
| 22:26 | Manderson | yes...I can edit it by hand and it'll get re-indexed |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | oh, no I guess not |
| 22:26 | jcamins | Manderson: in that case it sounds like it was just missed. |
| 22:27 | Manderson | I am making a hand edit to it, and we'll see if the next index run gets it. |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | we should probably check to make sure that replace record with ... triggers a zebra update |
| 22:36 | francharb | see ya #koha |
| 22:37 | jcamins | wizzyrea: it does when I do it. |
| 22:37 | wizzyrea | awesome |
| 22:37 | so yea probably just missed. | |
| 22:37 | it happens | |
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