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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:10 | tcohen | eythian, do u have a way to reproduce the problem that made bug 8773 fail qa? |
| 00:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup |
| 00:10 | tcohen | otherwise I think it should be left as signed off |
| 00:12 | (or needs sign-off, if the disabling followup needs to be signed) | |
| 00:28 | eythian | @later tell tcohen I just set up an instance, ran koha-start-indexer, and it didn't work. |
| 00:28 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:41 | rangi | http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominio[…]n-on-Somes-Island |
| 00:41 | best fun run ever! | |
| 00:42 | photo 6 is my favourite | |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 00:45 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 00:45 | rangi | hey look its nz wizzyrea ! |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 00:45 | eythian | so the internet worked then? :) |
| 00:45 | * wizzyrea | thanks eythian for the wifi access :) |
| 00:45 | kathryn | hello wizzyrea! :D |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | indeed! |
| 00:45 | hiyas! | |
| 00:46 | big hugs all around | |
| 00:46 | rangi | tired? |
| 00:46 | kathryn | real hug soon! |
| 00:47 | eythian | you should come out for lunch or something one of these days when you've recovered a bit more. |
| 00:47 | wizzyrea | hmm... i'm considering the tired question |
| 00:48 | while it is true that I didn't sleep much on the plane, I don't feel especially tired. | |
| 00:48 | kathryn | wired? |
| 00:48 | rangi | thats good if you can stay awake til night you will feel better tomorrow |
| 00:48 | eythian | wait til either 6pm when you fall asleep, or 3am when you are still awake :) |
| 00:48 | rangi | heh eyeah |
| 00:48 | wizzyrea | hm, no, not especially wired |
| 00:50 | rangi | doing all your emails to let ppl know you arrived safe and sound? |
| 00:51 | eythian | oh, the weather is supposed to be good this week too, so good timing. |
| 00:51 | wizzyrea | oh yes |
| 00:51 | skyping thatch's mom now | |
| 00:51 | rangi | :) |
| 00:51 | how's soren? survive the trip ok? | |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | oh yea |
| 00:52 | he slept about 8 of the 12 hours | |
| 00:52 | rangi | ohh perfect |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | about 6 of it on my lap |
| 00:52 | lulz. | |
| 00:52 | kathryn | sounds like he had a great trip! |
| 00:53 | wizzyrea | oh yea - it was kind of epic |
| 00:53 | rangi | don asks if you want to crew a catalyst yacht for sailing races |
| 00:53 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 00:53 | eythian | he's been trying to recruit everyone for that |
| 00:53 | rangi | (well he asked everyone) |
| 00:53 | wizzyrea | I would need some training on that |
| 00:53 | lol. | |
| 00:53 | rangi | To do this we need a crew of between 3 and 7 people each week. You don't |
| 00:53 | need sailing experience. We will rotate crews over the weeks so that | |
| 00:53 | hopefully everyone who wants to gets a sail. | |
| 00:53 | wizzyrea | lol! |
| 00:53 | well I'll try anything once | |
| 00:53 | eythian | it actually sounds like an interesting idea |
| 00:54 | ibeardslee | hmm he hasn't asked me |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | the trip itself was pretty epic |
| 00:54 | rangi | ibeardslee: check your emails |
| 00:54 | eythian | ibeardslee: yeah, well. umm, I don't know how to break this to you... |
| 00:54 | ibeardslee | oh there we go |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | we landed in denver had a 30 minute layover, pretty much just enough to get to the gate and get on the next plane |
| 00:54 | rangi | ahh thats a tight layover |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | had about an hour in LA - that was just about too close |
| 00:54 | kathryn | eek |
| 00:54 | NateC left #koha | |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | we waited for 15 then got on the plane |
| 00:55 | had 2 hours in auckland, that was nice | |
| 00:55 | ibeardslee | oh bother, Wednesdays is when I hit people |
| 00:55 | wizzyrea | customs and bioseurity was really fast |
| 00:55 | rangi | excellent :) |
| 00:55 | wizzyrea | all of our bags made it, and only one casualty |
| 00:56 | soren's small sonic screwdriver | |
| 00:56 | rangi | oh? |
| 00:56 | oh no | |
| 00:56 | was in the carryon? | |
| 00:56 | wizzyrea | but the big one made it :) |
| 00:56 | no, actually | |
| 00:56 | rangi | good :) |
| 00:56 | wizzyrea | it was broken in a checked bag, that was inside another suitcase. |
| 00:56 | no idea how that happened. | |
| 00:56 | rangi | yeah that is odd |
| 00:56 | didnt have a TSA sticker inside? | |
| 00:56 | wizzyrea | hmm no |
| 00:57 | rangi | they usually leave a note if they open it |
| 00:57 | wizzyrea | i am CERTAIN that at least one of the bags was inspected |
| 00:57 | rangi | id blame them then :) |
| 00:58 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 01:05 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:05 | * jcamins_away | waves to wizzyrea. |
| 01:06 | wizzyrea | hey jcamins! |
| 01:06 | wahanui | jcamins is, like, brilliant |
| 01:06 | wizzyrea | why aren't you in bed? :D |
| 01:06 | rangi | hurricane blew it downt the street? |
| 01:06 | eythian | ibeardslee: Wednesdays is when I stab people, same problem. |
| 01:11 | cjh | wizzyrea: welcome to nz! |
| 01:12 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: it's only 9pm. |
| 01:13 | ibeardslee | eythian: I'm going to try and get one of my black belts to take a class for me so I can have a go |
| 01:13 | * ibeardslee | will be quiet about Captain Bligh and my family tree |
| 01:13 | rangi | heh |
| 01:24 | eythian | wizzyrea: useful things to know, if you need simple things there's a dairy about 7 mins walk away (head towards Newtown, you'll see it) and a supermarket in Newtown proper which is probably 15 minutes or so. Go to newtown, walk left. It's called New World and has big signs etc. |
| 01:25 | rangi | i think kathryn's parents took them there on the way from the airport |
| 01:25 | eythian | there is a bus artery as soon as you get to the main street, which is very easy to get in to town with. |
| 01:25 | ah right | |
| 01:26 | * tcohen | is going to sleep, Fringe episode first, and waves #koha |
| 01:26 | rangi | cya tcohen |
| 01:26 | cjh | o/ |
| 01:27 | kathryn | yeah, they've been to a supermarket, not sure which :) |
| 01:50 | jeff joined #koha | |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | we went to... gah I can't remember the place but it wasn't a new world |
| 02:09 | it was yellow | |
| 02:09 | rangi | pak n slave? |
| 02:09 | cjh | heh |
| 02:09 | rangi | in kilbirnie |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | that must have been it ^.^ |
| 02:10 | I dig this house though. | |
| 02:10 | what is the best place to get things such as clothes hangers | |
| 02:11 | cjh | warehouse maybe? |
| 02:12 | rangi | hmm yeah, you could get them at warehouse, altho in walking distance, the new world will have them |
| 02:12 | or the $2 shop which is right next to the new world | |
| 02:13 | probably has them too | |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | thanks :) |
| 02:13 | cjh | $2 is also a really good bet. |
| 02:13 | wahanui | okay, cjh. |
| 02:14 | cjh | hahaha |
| 02:14 | $2 | |
| 02:14 | rangi | $2? |
| 02:14 | wahanui | $2 is a really good bet. |
| 02:14 | cjh | heh |
| 02:14 | rangi | heh |
| 02:14 | eythian | although the $2 shop ones will probably break as soon as you put a damp jacket on them |
| 02:15 | cjh | also true |
| 02:15 | rangi | yup |
| 02:16 | * wizzyrea | ponders this |
| 02:17 | rangi | you could get a few from new world |
| 02:17 | theyd be ok quality | |
| 02:17 | on the aisle with all the lightbulbs and stuff | |
| 02:18 | eythian | It's a nice day out there, I'd suggest going wandering up and down Riddiford street to see what shops there are that would be useful. |
| 02:18 | rangi | *nod* |
| 02:20 | if you are up to a walk that is :) | |
| 02:20 | vitamin d helps fight jet lag | |
| 02:20 | eythian | well, it's all downhill to get there. And once you're there you're committed to getting back. |
| 02:21 | rangi | heh |
| 02:21 | mtj | hi peeps, hi wizzyrea |
| 02:21 | rangi | hey mtj |
| 02:38 | oh noes wizzyrea broke your internets | |
| 02:38 | or maybe she walked downstairs :) | |
| 02:44 | eythian | !! |
| 02:52 | jcamins_away | Some have expressed concern that the hurricane might impact subway service. |
| 02:52 | The subway has been shut down for at least 4 hours. | |
| 02:52 | I'm going to have to conclude that yes, subway service has been impacted. | |
| 02:52 | rangi | heh |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 02:57 | rangi | wb wizzyrea |
| 02:57 | we thought you busted the nz internets already | |
| 02:57 | eythian | jcamins_away: your subway needs some giant subway-sized rubber stoppers |
| 02:57 | (London has that sort of thing) | |
| 02:57 | http://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blo[…]till-sealed-shut/ <-- also this sort of thing. | |
| 02:58 | jcamins_away | eythian: our subway is half-flooded when it isn't raining at all. |
| 02:58 | eythian | that sounds impractical. |
| 02:58 | unless it's the submarineway I guess | |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | lol naw |
| 03:17 | jcamins_away | eythian: that's fascinating. |
| 03:17 | eythian | it really is |
| 03:17 | I have a bunch of his other posts opened for reading too. | |
| 03:17 | I think I'll just have to add him to my rss reader. | |
| 03:17 | jcamins_away | Did you see the map of the NYC subway system as it was designed? |
| 03:18 | eythian | nope |
| 03:18 | jcamins_away | I'll find it for you. |
| 03:20 | http://project.wnyc.org/news-maps/lost-subways/ | |
| 03:22 | * jcamins_away | really regrets they didn't do the E76th St connection. |
| 03:25 | jcamins_away | Whoah. There used to be two B trains and two R trains in NYC. |
| 03:25 | eythian | London has some great ones, also where the tube goes above-ground there're often fake house frontages that it goes behind, you wouldn't notice them if you weren't looking. |
| 03:25 | rangi | http://hint.fm/wind/ |
| 03:25 | wooooo | |
| 03:27 | jcamins_away | A bit breezy here. |
| 03:27 | eythian | that doesn't actually look all that windy |
| 03:27 | top speed of 36mph | |
| 03:27 | that's only 58kph | |
| 03:28 | jcamins_away | Oh, I didn't see the numbers. |
| 03:28 | I was looking at the animation. | |
| 03:28 | eythian | I mean, I wouldn't go biking in that, but walking would be OK |
| 03:30 | jcamins_away | It's the rain that will keep me from going out. |
| 03:30 | * jcamins_away | heard it's supposed to rain. |
| 03:30 | heads to bed. | |
| 03:31 | jcamins_away | Night. |
| 03:31 | rangi | heh |
| 03:31 | eythian | yeah, the rain is a showstopper often |
| 03:31 | later | |
| 03:42 | rangi | right, home time for me, ill wave at newtown as i go past wizzyrea |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea | lol cool |
| 03:46 | eythian | I won't be going home for a while yet, but how about I put on some really loud music at 11pm? |
| 03:46 | (disclaimer: I don't think my speakers can do "really loud") | |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | sure, go ahead ;) |
| 03:55 | rangi | Oh I remember what I was gonna say |
| 03:55 | If you can't be bothered cooking | |
| 03:56 | Mediterranean food warehouse does wood fired pizzza | |
| 03:59 | eythian | oh yeah |
| 03:59 | they're also good for food. | |
| 03:59 | like, grocery type stuff. | |
| 04:00 | I need to go there at some stage, I've been missing that kind of stuff since France. | |
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| 04:22 | eythian | So we support using 'and' and 'or' in the basic OPAC search? |
| 04:23 | it seems to be working for me, anyway, but I had it in my head that Koha didn't. | |
| 04:25 | mtj | if you go to med-food after 5:30 its mostly half-price too |
| 05:11 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 05:12 | * Oak | waves |
| 06:42 | eythian_ joined #koha | |
| 06:45 | magnuse | Oak |
| 06:47 | * magnuse | waves at #koha in general |
| 06:54 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:54 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (7:20 AM CET on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Snow Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:00 | cait joined #koha | |
| 07:01 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 07:02 | cait | kia ora magnuse :) |
| 07:03 | magnuse | early for a holiday? |
| 07:05 | rangi++ for these stats: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]for-2012-to-date/ | |
| 07:10 | w00t for wizzyrea and trea and spud arriving safely! | |
| 07:17 | cait | yep :) |
| 07:21 | magnuse | huh, the philipines are actively installing 2.2.9 on fedora? |
| 07:22 | cait | yes |
| 07:22 | eythian_ | yeah. |
| 07:22 | magnuse | wow |
| 07:22 | cait | i thought they were using windows... now it makes less sense than before |
| 07:22 | magnuse | yup |
| 07:23 | i thought the same thing | |
| 07:27 | hey eythian_ are you and wizzy neighbours now? | |
| 07:28 | eythian_ | yep |
| 07:28 | cait | :) |
| 07:28 | magnuse | how cool is that! |
| 07:28 | eythian_ | I don't yet, I'll let you know tomorrow ;) |
| 07:28 | cait | have you seen them today? |
| 07:28 | ah | |
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| 07:35 | julian_m | hello |
| 07:35 | wahanui | hola, julian_m |
| 07:38 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 07:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:38 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
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| 08:05 | lds | hello |
| 08:05 | rangi | hi lds |
| 08:05 | lds | hi rangi |
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| 08:08 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:08 | * cait | waves |
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| 08:09 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:09 | wahanui | bonjour, alex_a |
| 08:09 | alex_a | wahanui: o/ |
| 08:09 | wahanui | alex_a: huh? |
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| 08:13 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:13 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (9:00 AM CET on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:15 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 08:15 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:15 | eythian_ | I'm glad I came back when I did :) |
| 08:16 | cait | you missed out on the snow... |
| 08:17 | well, you also missed out on swimming i nthe lake, so does the season really matter? :) | |
| 08:18 | eythian_ | haha |
| 08:25 | * magnuse | woke up to winter wonderland today - every branch of every tree coated in a couple of cm snow |
| 08:26 | cait | we had a bit of snow yesterday |
| 08:27 | well it snowed a little bit all day, but it's too warm still | |
| 08:27 | eythian_ | there was snow here a week or so ago (by here, I mean down south, and around mountains) |
| 08:28 | cait | :) |
| 08:29 | magnuse | huh, isn't this meant to be summer in nz? |
| 08:30 | eythian_ | no, spring |
| 08:30 | and there's always a dump of snow in spring. | |
| 08:31 | magnuse | ah |
| 08:31 | rangi | its not summer until late november |
| 08:31 | eythian_ | I used to work on a sheep farm in spring (lambing time) and every second year or so we'd get more than a few cm of snow for a week or so |
| 08:31 | magnuse | ok |
| 08:32 | eythian_ | often more like 20-30cm |
| 08:32 | I don't like snow any more | |
| 08:32 | magnuse | wow |
| 08:32 | where was this? | |
| 08:33 | eythian_ | http://goo.gl/maps/Owv4U <-- near here |
| 08:34 | magnuse | ah, that's pretty far south |
| 08:34 | rangi | did you put your loud music on yet eythian_ ? |
| 08:34 | eythian_ | no, I'm not home yet. I'm working on my app. |
| 08:34 | rangi | alexandra gets cold too, and really hot too |
| 08:34 | ahh | |
| 08:35 | magnuse | the beer app? |
| 08:35 | eythian_ | yeah, my parents have a house in alex |
| 08:35 | * magnuse | wants to see the south island too |
| 08:35 | eythian_ | I only go there in summer |
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| 08:36 | eythian_ | where I end up sitting in the low-mid 30's trying to cope :) |
| 08:36 | magnuse | hehe, probably a good idea :-) |
| 08:36 | 30C? | |
| 08:36 | eythian_ | the hottest temperature on record in NZ, and the lowest are two towns very close to each other |
| 08:36 | yeah | |
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| 08:37 | rangi | good for growing apricots :) |
| 08:37 | julian_m joined #koha | |
| 08:37 | eythian_ | yeah, I spent a summer picking cherries in Roxborough (nearby) |
| 08:37 | it was boring | |
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| 08:38 | magnuse | wow, i would have guessed it didn't get that hot that far south |
| 08:38 | how hot does wellington get in summer? | |
| 08:38 | eythian_ | it's about the most inland in the country, so it's semi-arid |
| 08:38 | on a _hot_ day, nearly 30 | |
| 08:38 | on a typical warm day, ~25ish | |
| 08:39 | but we have a giant ocean being a temperature buffer, and a lot of wind. | |
| 08:39 | magnuse | temperature_buffers++ |
| 08:39 | eythian_ | it's a mixed blessing, on one hand, it doesn't get hot. On the other, it doesn't get cold. |
| 08:40 | magnuse | sounds perfect :-) |
| 08:40 | we have the same effect from the ocean here in BOO | |
| 08:40 | rangi | http://live.wellingtonnz.com/p[…]tats.aspx#climate |
| 08:41 | norway with a touch of greece apparently | |
| 08:41 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:42 | eythian_ | I've not been to Greece, but if it's anything like where I was in France, I don't buy it :) |
| 08:42 | it was consistently hotter there than I've ever had in NZ outside Alex | |
| 08:42 | magnuse | ooh, those are good numbers rangi |
| 08:43 | eythian_ | that site doesn't show the average wind speed however :) |
| 08:43 | magnuse | yeah, there is that |
| 08:43 | rangi | heh |
| 08:43 | magnuse | and saying something is like norway is very general |
| 08:43 | we have places that get -40 in the winter | |
| 08:43 | eythian_ | http://www.metservice.com/town[…]n/wellington-city <-- click on "windiest" on the right |
| 08:43 | rangi | 248kmph |
| 08:44 | thats the highest gust recorded in wellington | |
| 08:44 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominio[…]Wellington-really | |
| 08:44 | eythian_ | The lowest temp recorded here is -25 in Ranfurly, which is about two days bike from Alexandra |
| 08:44 | * magnuse | has experienced 200+ kmph - in greenland |
| 08:45 | rangi | that also has a video of some poor lady trying to cross the road on one of our windy days last year |
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| 08:45 | magnuse | ooh, that's a cool sign, with the letters blowing away :-) |
| 08:46 | eythian_ | and the highest was 42 in Rangiora, perhaps a couple of hours drive from Ranfurly :) |
| 08:46 | * magnuse | has experienced -47 - also in greenland |
| 08:47 | cait | hm I still agree with magnuse - sounds about perfect :) |
| 08:47 | eythian_ | mental note: don't go to Greenland |
| 08:47 | rangi | https://twitpic.com/b8f37g |
| 08:47 | cait | hehe |
| 08:48 | magnuse | nah, go to greenalnd in summer! |
| 08:48 | rangi | the antenna is covering wizzyrea's house! |
| 08:48 | magnuse | yay |
| 08:50 | eythian_ | I saw a great ISS pic of Wellington and Malborough sounds the other day |
| 08:51 | But I can't find it at the moment | |
| 08:51 | magnuse | what's wizzyreas neighbourhood called? karori? |
| 08:51 | rangi | newtown |
| 08:52 | magnuse | wadestown - is that where reed lives? :-) |
| 08:53 | rangi | it was |
| 08:53 | he bought a house in ngaio gorge | |
| 08:53 | eythian_ | it's not right there, but it's close |
| 08:54 | magnuse | thanks eythian_ |
| 08:55 | close to the airport then - handy | |
| 08:55 | eythian_ | hmm, I didn't realise quite how close the harbour is. I should try biking that way one day. |
| 08:55 | yeah | |
| 08:56 | magnuse | looks like an easy walk |
| 08:56 | eythian_ | there's a hill in the way, but if I do that first, it might not be so bad. |
| 08:56 | yeah, that's cos it looks flat on google | |
| 08:56 | magnuse | and green stuff all the way up to mount victoria |
| 08:56 | ah yes | |
| 08:57 | eythian_ | yeah, the only thing between their place and the town belt is my place |
| 08:57 | rangi | you could loop, over to kilbirnie, roseneath and round oriental bay |
| 08:58 | eythian_ | yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 08:58 | rangi | be a nice ride in summer |
| 08:58 | eythian_ | it's all cycle lanes along there too |
| 08:58 | rangi | plenty of cafes to stop at too |
| 08:58 | eythian_ | at least, a lot of it |
| 08:58 | I once did that on a windy day. Big mistake. Got sea spray blown on me. | |
| 08:59 | (going out towards the airport) | |
| 08:59 | rangi | ah yeah |
| 09:00 | eythian_ | I stopped at a dairy and the guy there was all "why are you biking now? can't you see it's really windy?" |
| 09:01 | (it wasn't windy when I started) | |
| 09:01 | rangi | hehe |
| 09:01 | cait | lol |
| 09:04 | eythian_ | it's a good 40-50km to bike all the way around, but if you get a nice day, it's well worth it. |
| 09:13 | magnuse | ooh, a bug reported by someone from " National Library of Poland"? |
| 09:14 | rangi | yup |
| 09:14 | mtj | hey folks |
| 09:15 | magnuse | rangi: do you know if their national library is using it? |
| 09:15 | kia ora mtj | |
| 09:15 | rangi | magnuse: not that i know of, maybe they will be soon, if we answer their questions ;) |
| 09:16 | magnuse | :-) |
| 09:18 | eythian_ | hopefully not 2.2.9 |
| 09:18 | magnuse | ! |
| 09:19 | cait | on fedora? |
| 09:19 | magnuse | :-/ |
| 09:20 | mtj | hey… has anyone spotted some weird 'limit on availibity' searches on Koha recently? |
| 09:21 | rangi | nope |
| 09:21 | cait | it doesn't really work I think |
| 09:21 | mtj | i bumped into this bug on friday, and have done some more testing… its really got me stumped :/ |
| 09:21 | rangi | apart from them actually sort of working with DOM, they have never worked correctly before that |
| 09:22 | theyve never worked | |
| 09:22 | cait | rangi: so why did we keep advertising hte feature? :( |
| 09:22 | magnuse | jcamins_away said something about that on friday, i think |
| 09:22 | rangi | because they looked like they worked |
| 09:22 | and it worked better than most other systems | |
| 09:22 | magnuse | hehe |
| 09:22 | cait | ew |
| 09:22 | rangi | but with DOM it actually works right |
| 09:23 | cait | mtj: jcamins_away basically said it was unfixable |
| 09:23 | rangi | with grs yes |
| 09:23 | cait | hm he said there is also a problem with dom |
| 09:23 | maybe it would require more wokr | |
| 09:23 | I am not sue | |
| 09:23 | magnuse | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]2-10-26#i_1114069 and onwards |
| 09:23 | cait | I couldn't follow him really, but it did sound kinda pessimistic |
| 09:24 | magnuse | "jcamins: It is impossible to make it work with GRS-1, and making it work with DOM will be impractical at least until I've finished the funded parts of the search rewrite." |
| 09:24 | "jcamins: At that point, it will merely be very difficult." | |
| 09:24 | rangi | jcamins is always pessimistic |
| 09:24 | thats why he will be a great RM | |
| 09:24 | cait | lol |
| 09:24 | magnuse | hehe |
| 09:24 | mtj | ah thanks , i missed his followup |
| 09:26 | cait | hm just tested it in one of our 3.6.x installations |
| 09:26 | mtj | some good news , this 'availibilty' bug is very easy to replicate on a fresh db, with 2 bibs/items |
| 09:26 | cait | it worked... but it removed all records where at least one item was checked out |
| 09:26 | so also those where there were still items available | |
| 09:26 | rangi | the reality is |
| 09:26 | that in a public library | |
| 09:27 | the availabity is an approximation to reality | |
| 09:27 | even if it was working perfectly | |
| 09:27 | in koha | |
| 09:27 | that doesnt match whats actually on the shelves | |
| 09:27 | ever | |
| 09:27 | cait | well true |
| 09:27 | mtj | yep, i agree :) |
| 09:27 | cait | but by being off from the start it doesn't make things better :P |
| 09:27 | rangi | thats why no one actually cared enough since zebra |
| 09:28 | it worked fine pre joshua of course | |
| 09:28 | cait | hmpf |
| 09:29 | eythian_ | http://i.imgur.com/v4w0u.png |
| 09:30 | mtj | fyi: i do plan to log this bug, im just in the 'research' phase |
| 09:30 | cait | lol |
| 09:30 | rangi | its a known issue already |
| 09:30 | magnuse | eythian_: lol |
| 09:30 | rangi | without a fix in grs, the best thing to do is get the rewrite done, then it can be fixed |
| 09:31 | magnuse | but until then? comment it out? |
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| 09:32 | rangi | could, or could just leave it |
| 09:33 | eythian_ | whew, integrating to Google cloud messaging so that my server can send messages to apps is hard work. I think I have all but the actual sending wired up. |
| 09:34 | magnuse | hm, how do we decide what to do? |
| 09:34 | rangi | or make it easily turned off, because for libraries who have lots of biblios with one item it works fine |
| 09:34 | mtj | rangi, aaah i just spotted this, bug 4481 |
| 09:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4481 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Failed QA , Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items |
| 09:34 | rangi | yep |
| 09:34 | magnuse | rangi: excellent idea - a syspref to turn it on or off |
| 09:35 | cait | or just css |
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| 09:36 | Zeki | Hi, |
| 09:36 | magnuse | or jquery :-) |
| 09:37 | Zeki | I can not important any MARC records by using "Stage MARC records for import" |
| 09:37 | rangi | i still reckon my patch on 4481 will make it a ton better for marc21 |
| 09:38 | mtj | the weird thing for my bug was, zebra was returning an ERROR on some availibility search strings |
| 09:38 | rangi | it will |
| 09:38 | if the index doesnt exist | |
| 09:39 | mtj | ah, ok - thats great info |
| 09:39 | rangi | check this out |
| 09:39 | Zeki | anybody can help me about Stage MARC records for import? |
| 09:39 | rangi | git show 3daa3143 |
| 09:39 | thats why my patch on 4481 was attempting to undo | |
| 09:39 | Zeki | my koha version 3.8.6 |
| 09:39 | mtj | Zeki, are your marc records correct? |
| 09:40 | Zeki | i tried a few sample marc records |
| 09:40 | all result same | |
| 09:40 | progress bar not showing anything | |
| 09:40 | mtj | also, koha doesnt import marcxml format from the gui, only from CLI |
| 09:41 | Zeki | what do you mean? |
| 09:43 | mtj | i mean… dont attempt to import a marcxml file, from the gui |
| 09:43 | Zeki | sorry I need close now, I will check tomorrow |
| 09:43 | thanks | |
| 09:43 | mtj | but you have a different problem, to that |
| 09:45 | ah, the other thing i did comfirm was - both grs1 and dom are glitchy with availability stuff, in the same way | |
| 09:45 | i thought on friday, that DOM was buggy, but GRS1 was working ok | |
| 09:46 | cait | ok, being mean - switching it back to needs signoff |
| 09:46 | mtj | but, they were both failing in the same way |
| 09:46 | cait | mtj: maybe document you findings somewhere even if you can't fix? it will give us a better idea about the actual problem |
| 09:47 | mtj | yep, i might write it up in a seperate bug, and link it to chris' bug |
| 09:47 | cait | cool |
| 09:53 | mtj | heres another random Q… should be plan to make the XSLT detail pages default, and remove non-xslt code from koha? |
| 09:53 | cait | hm |
| 09:53 | not sure | |
| 09:53 | I always use xslt so I would be not opposed to make it default | |
| 09:54 | but I guessit's a bit slower for big systems maybe? not sure | |
| 09:54 | mtj | the reason is, having to maintain 2 sets is a waste of our time |
| 09:54 | pick the best one, and remove the other? | |
| 09:54 | cait | I think that's something for 3.12 and the mailing list |
| 09:55 | mtj | agreed, i was just curious what y'all thought... |
| 09:56 | eythian_ | I pretty much always set installations to XSLT too |
| 09:57 | mtj | me too , but i just noticed that the star-ratings stuf doesnt show on xslt |
| 09:57 | eythian_ | oh, doesn't it? |
| 09:57 | interesting, I thought it was separate | |
| 09:58 | * magnuse | would not miss the non-xslt display |
| 09:58 | cait | mtj: hm in my tests it did |
| 09:58 | show on xslt | |
| 09:59 | mtj | oops, me wrogn |
| 09:59 | thats a happy mistake i made :p | |
| 09:59 | cait | I think keeping it around doesn't hurt anyone |
| 10:00 | most extra features are outside of the xslt anyway, some are only available with xslt, it's like that already | |
| 10:03 | mtj | i can see many good reasons for only having one, not two |
| 10:03 | eythian_ | I did notice that master allows custom xslt to some degree |
| 10:03 | cait | eythian: true |
| 10:03 | eythian_ | ideally there'd be a nice selector with language awareness etc. |
| 10:03 | but it's a good start | |
| 10:04 | cait | but custom xslt has a number of problems |
| 10:04 | like any customization you can do | |
| 10:04 | one of the problems is that you have to provide a file for each language | |
| 10:05 | and maintain those | |
| 10:06 | mtj | yow, i hadnt thought of the translating problems with xslt files :/ |
| 10:06 | cait | mtj: only if you have your own files |
| 10:06 | the standard files are translatable | |
| 10:06 | not sure I am making sense this morning :) and shouldn't you 2 go to bed sometime soon? | |
| 10:07 | so I can finally finish my distance study reading without koha distracting me? :) | |
| 10:07 | mtj | yes and maybe |
| 10:07 | eythian_ | yes, in fact I'm about to bike home now |
| 10:08 | cait | bike carefully |
| 10:08 | mtj | have a good one :) |
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| 12:30 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 12:31 | cait | good morning jcamins! |
| 12:31 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 12:31 | drojf | hi jcamins. how is the situation & weather? |
| 12:34 | jcamins | drojf: it's gloomy out, but that's all, so far. |
| 12:35 | drojf | ok. may it stay that way. i hope you have duct taped everything ;) |
| 12:35 | jcamins | :) |
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| 12:39 | jcamins | Jeez. |
| 12:39 | I wouldn't want to be taking shelter at LGA. | |
| 12:39 | (officials said anyone stranded at LGA was welcome to wait out the storm) | |
| 12:39 | LGA is about four feet above the water. | |
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| 12:41 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:41 | tcohen | hi oleonard, good morning #koha! |
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| 12:43 | cait | hi paul_p |
| 12:44 | paul_p | hi cait |
| 12:44 | * paul_p | at a meeting |
| 12:44 | cait | have fun ;) |
| 12:52 | jcamins | For those who are concerned, I live one block from the nearest evacuation center, and 3+ blocks from the nearest evacuation zone B. |
| 12:53 | oleonard | thanks jcamins, glad to hear it |
| 12:53 | How's the weather? | |
| 12:54 | jcamins | oleonard: gloomy. |
| 12:55 | It's raining a bit, and windy, but so far it's still weather that I would drag myself out to work in. | |
| 12:56 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 12:56 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 3.3°C (8:50 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect from noon today to 5 PM EDT Tuesday... |
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| 13:27 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 13:27 | huginn | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 10.0°C (9:26 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.45 in 997 hPa (Falling). Flood Watch in effect through Tuesday evening... |
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| 14:15 | oleonard | Hah, I go looking for info on why our Drupal spam-catching module isn't working, find a comment from slef on why CAPTCHAs are bad :) |
| 14:15 | * oleonard | wonders if slef uses Mollom too |
| 14:52 | nengard | @wunder 19030 |
| 14:52 | huginn | nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 11.6°C (10:52 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.14 in 987 hPa (Steady). Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 4 am EDT Tuesday... |
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| 15:19 | chris | @wunder 28334 |
| 15:19 | huginn | chris: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 11.0°C (10:55 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.51 in 999 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:20 | jcamins | chris_n: how's the weather? |
| 15:21 | * chris_n | drives in another stake |
| 15:21 | chris_n | a bit windy |
| 15:21 | rained some last evening, but not much in that way | |
| 15:21 | I think it is too far off the coast for us | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | Well, good! May it stay that way. |
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| 15:45 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 15:45 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9°C (8:16 AM PDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:46 | bag | @wunder 06516 |
| 15:46 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 15.4°C (11:45 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.22 in 990 hPa (Falling). Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 3 PM EDT Tuesday... |
| 15:46 | oleonard | @wunder 02540 |
| 15:46 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in APRSWXNET E. Falmouth MA US, Falmouth, Massachusetts is 16.1°C (11:11 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992 hPa (Steady). Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 1 PM EDT Tuesday... |
| 15:51 | chris_n | @wunder obx |
| 15:51 | huginn | chris_n: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 15:52 | chris_n | @wunder 27960 |
| 15:52 | huginn | chris_n: The current temperature in The Ocracoke Harbor Inn/Silver Lake, Ocracoke, North Carolina is 13.8°C (11:52 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.35 in 994 hPa (Falling). Tropical Storm Warning in effect... |
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| 16:35 | jcamins | Now it's a bit stormy. |
| 16:40 | rambutan | but you're doing OK? |
| 16:40 | jcamins | Yup. |
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| 16:42 | oleonard | nengard around? |
| 16:42 | nengard | sort of |
| 16:42 | on a call :) | |
| 16:43 | We too are hearing heavy rain and wind | |
| 16:43 | but still have power | |
| 16:43 | oleonard | Just wanted to point out that on tags administration you can now click the tag to see a list of titles tagged with that term. I don't see that in the docs. |
| 16:47 | rambutan | somehow I retain this idea that nengard is on the WC-Washington state or somewhere |
| 16:57 | oleonard | Why can't I batch modify patrons' address fields? |
| 16:58 | It would be very useful for converting the city+state data in the city column (from before we had the state column) | |
| 17:00 | magnuse | oleonard: because it would be too easy? |
| 17:00 | oleonard | Would it help if it required me to do sit-ups before submitting the form? |
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| 17:11 | nengard | thanks oleonard |
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| 18:25 | bag | @seen sekjal |
| 18:25 | huginn | bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days |
| 18:29 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:29 | wahanui | i guess Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:30 | bag | morning rangi |
| 18:30 | tcohen | hi rangio |
| 18:30 | bag | Giants win the world series - I know you were on the edge of your seat waiting for that news ;) |
| 18:31 | rangi | Hehe |
| 18:32 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 18:32 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 18:32 | bag | rangi they introduced the coolest thing this year at the world series - super slow mo HD of the batters swing |
| 18:33 | you could watch the bats break and all that - was SO SO cool | |
| 18:33 | rangi | Oh yeah? |
| 18:34 | cait | morning rangi, hi bag |
| 18:34 | rangi | That does sound cool |
| 18:34 | jcamins | bag: are the Giants your local team? |
| 18:34 | bag | hey rangi did you know I love baseball ;) |
| 18:35 | the local team here is the Dodgers | |
| 18:35 | dodgers fans hate the giants | |
| 18:35 | * oleonard | consoles bag |
| 18:36 | rangi | Isn't there another california team too? |
| 18:36 | bag | I'm a Mets fan |
| 18:36 | rangi | Anaheim? |
| 18:36 | bag | three more rangio |
| 18:37 | rangi | Oakland |
| 18:37 | bag | Angles of Anahiem, Oakland, and San Diego |
| 18:37 | rangi | What's the other one? |
| 18:37 | wahanui | the other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine. |
| 18:37 | rangi | Ahh |
| 18:37 | Padres? | |
| 18:40 | bag | yup |
| 18:40 | Padres are in San Deigo | |
| 18:40 | * cait | doesn't even try... it would only get embarassing :) |
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| 18:41 | oleonard | Ugh, modborrowers.pl sets field labels in English in the script? |
| 18:41 | cait | oleonard: when do they appear? |
| 18:41 | oleonard | On the edit form |
| 18:41 | cait | hm you sure? |
| 18:42 | oleonard | batch patron modification |
| 18:42 | cait | oh batch |
| 18:42 | I didn't test that yet :( | |
| 18:42 | but this sounds bad :( | |
| 18:42 | * oleonard | didn't actually realize it was in master already until he spotted it in nengard's documentation patch |
| 18:43 | cait | shouldn't have passed qa... but now we are feature freeze and it will be messy |
| 18:43 | bag | rangi: it was a great world series if you're a national league fan - they won with great pitching and playing small ball (well all games except the first one) |
| 18:43 | jcamins | Batch patron modification? |
| 18:44 | I didn't realize that had been pushed. | |
| 18:44 | * rangi | either |
| 18:45 | rangi | Bag: which one has the DH? |
| 18:45 | jcamins | The Met published an entire book on armor for horses. |
| 18:45 | And now it is available online. | |
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| 18:46 | rangi | Hmm kahu will like that |
| 18:46 | bag | rangi not the national league - so the detriot tigers |
| 18:46 | rangi | Ahh right |
| 18:47 | * oleonard | grumbles dramatically |
| 18:48 | jcamins | "300 years of eighteenth-century costume." |
| 18:48 | bag | oh yeah rangi - so I'm a Mets fan - do you know what that stands for? |
| 18:49 | jcamins | I love the modern obsession with centuries. |
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| 18:50 | jcamins | 200 years of helmets, to go with the book on armor for horses. |
| 18:51 | Firearms, for those who want an advantage over someone wearing a helmet. | |
| 18:51 | rangi | bag: hmmm nope |
| 18:52 | bag | well the real name is Mets - which stands for Metropolitans |
| 18:52 | but all true fans say METS My Entire Team Sucks | |
| 18:52 | rangi | ahh right |
| 18:52 | hehe | |
| 18:59 | oleonard | Batch patron modification purports to allow you to batch delete categorycode and branchcode from patron records, but the db won't let it (which is good) leaving errors in the log |
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| 19:02 | cait | oleonard: eew :( |
| 19:02 | rambutan | does this require a special cataloging field? |
| 19:02 | https://www.nydailynews.com/ne[…]article-1.1193683 | |
| 19:03 | rangi | heh |
| 19:03 | rambutan: im sure there are already 7 marc fields for that | |
| 19:03 | just in case | |
| 19:04 | cait | oleonard: speaking of batch stuff |
| 19:04 | can you take a look at 8801 maybe? i am not so happy with the idea of killing a feature | |
| 19:04 | bug 8801 | |
| 19:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8801 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Offer to batch delete items of a biblio record |
| 19:05 | cait | looking for more opinions |
| 19:05 | especially because the new feature requires different permissions for a much mightier tool | |
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| 19:07 | oleonard | cait: I saw that you raised that issue on the bug report, and I think it's a good point |
| 19:08 | cait | I don't want to be the only one on this bug - so asking around :) happy if more people comment, even if they disagre |
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| 19:17 | rangi | https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akam[…]_1843373693_n.jpg |
| 19:17 | best halloween costume ever! | |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 19:19 | cait | heh |
| 19:23 | oleonard | Meanwhile that guy's wife has been on baby-duty for an unbroken month while he builds the costume ;) |
| 19:23 | Or vice-versa! | |
| 19:24 | rangi | hehe |
| 19:25 | bag | Oh Wow - I think the dragon would be great in a costume like that |
| 19:25 | rangi | ;) |
| 19:26 | cait | :) |
| 19:26 | bag | Shes dressing up like a ladybug this year and Sonja and I are going to be flowers |
| 19:26 | jcamins | Hm. Sounds like the server I connect to IRC through is going to be down a while. |
| 19:26 | cait | oleonard++ btw :) |
| 19:26 | Oak_ | oleonard++ |
| 19:26 | cait++ | |
| 19:26 | cait | I didn't do anything! |
| 19:27 | Oak_ | yes you did. and you know it. |
| 19:27 | magnuse++ | |
| 19:27 | cait | bag: sounds cute :) photos? :) |
| 19:27 | Oak_ | good night. |
| 19:27 | cait | bye Oak |
| 19:27 | Oak++ | |
| 19:27 | bag | in two more days cait - will do :) |
| 19:27 | cait | muha. |
| 19:30 | oleonard | There must be a clever way to do batch patron modification on an arbitrary set of borrowers table columns... |
| 19:34 | rangi | hm? |
| 19:35 | oleonard | I'm frustrated by the limited number of fields available to be changed on patron batch modification |
| 19:35 | rangi | ah right |
| 19:41 | talljoy | i like that idea too |
| 19:41 | just got a request for it, actually. | |
| 19:42 | santy | HELLO everyone, could someone please explain to me what the marc (longblob) field in the biblioitems table is for? |
| 19:42 | talljoy | it holds the marc data. |
| 19:42 | raw marc | |
| 19:42 | wahanui | raw marc is well less than that |
| 19:43 | jcamins | wahanui: forget raw marc |
| 19:43 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot raw marc |
| 19:44 | santy | is the binary marc field used to populate the add marc record form... or just only the marcxml field is used for that? |
| 19:44 | jcamins | santy: the two fields should always have identical data in them. |
| 19:44 | talljoy | ^yes |
| 19:45 | santy | why should both fields always have identical data in them... what happens if not? |
| 19:45 | jcamins | It depends what you're trying to do. |
| 19:45 | talljoy | the have identical data because they are the same thing |
| 19:45 | jcamins | The behavior is entirely undefined. |
| 19:45 | rangi | different representations of the same thing |
| 19:45 | cait | and you should not manipulate them |
| 19:45 | talljoy | they are probably used in different ways and places within koha |
| 19:46 | jcamins | ^^ exactly |
| 19:47 | * rangi | wonders what santy is trying to do |
| 19:48 | santy | ok, as I told you last time, jcamins, I'm currently in a project where some library needs to migrate their whole catalog into Koha. As you know, their system is a custom one with no export functionality whatsoever... so I have to migrate programmatically... and it works... but I'm having encoding issues. |
| 19:48 | jcamins | By the time the data is in Koha, it is too late. |
| 19:48 | Uh-oh. | |
| 19:48 | Power outages on their way. | |
| 19:49 | santy | Every data gets migrated ok, but just special characters like á, é, ñ etc get screwed |
| 19:49 | jcamins | santy: that means it's not migrating non-ascii characters correctly. |
| 19:49 | rangi | santy: fix your leader, before you use bulkmarcimport.pl to import them |
| 19:49 | jcamins | If it's in Koha with the wrong encoding, the solution is to reimport. |
| 19:50 | * cait | uses a lot of duct tape to keep jcamins around |
| 19:50 | cait | santy: and if you use the stagd marc record scripts make sure the encoding is set to the right choice |
| 19:51 | santy | it's kind of weird... because when I look at the marcxml field just after the import inside the biblioitems table, these characters appear OK... |
| 19:52 | rambutan | jcamins: presumably the cat has sufficient rations for the week? |
| 19:52 | santy | but only when I load the record into the marc editin form in the staff page, the characters don't get loaded... |
| 19:52 | jcamins | rambutan: yeah. |
| 19:53 | He's a bit traumatized, though. | |
| 19:53 | He's squished himself into a little ball in an arm chair, having worn himself out crying earlier. | |
| 19:53 | rambutan | that bad, huh? |
| 19:54 | oleonard | jcamins: Too much CNN? |
| 19:54 | santy | I think I need to take a look a the subs which do concatenate the marcxml field, in which script are they? |
| 19:54 | jcamins | We presume he's responding to pressure changes. |
| 19:54 | cait | santy: we can't recommend that |
| 19:54 | santy: it surely is in your data | |
| 19:54 | rangi | 99% its your leader |
| 19:55 | jcamins | Try rangi's leader suggestion. Based on your description, it's almost certainly leader. |
| 19:55 | cait | santy: we got german umlauts and hebrew in our databases, and it's working ok |
| 19:55 | jcamins | rambutan: it's gusty, and raining pretty hard -- on and off -- but if I didn't know there was a hurricane, I would've said it was just a rain storm. |
| 19:56 | Myshkin, on the other hand, says it's the end of the world. | |
| 19:56 | santy | in the xml leader, I have tried UTF-8, Latin1, ISO-8859-1, CP1250, windows-1252, etc etc... and they DO have an effect, but while the characters appear ok inside mysql, they never appear ok in the form... (well, only if I correct them in the form, save and reload) |
| 19:57 | rangi | hmm what? |
| 19:58 | jcamins | santy: MARC leader. |
| 19:58 | rangi | you can only set the leader to be MARC8 or UTF8 |
| 19:58 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/holdings/hdleader.html | |
| 19:59 | santy | ok... should I paste the Marc leader i'm using here? |
| 20:00 | jcamins | http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bdleader.html I think. |
| 20:00 | rangi | oh yeah |
| 20:00 | that one :) | |
| 20:01 | santy | oh my God, I think you just solved my problem! |
| 20:02 | rangi | yep good old gigo |
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| 20:04 | * jcamins | fills a half dozen containers with water. |
| 20:05 | rangi | how long before they turn the power off jcamins ? |
| 20:06 | cait | :( |
| 20:06 | jcamins | rangi: I'm outside the floodplane, so they haven't announced plans to shut it off preemptively here at home, but they might shut off power in the floodplane within the next hour. |
| 20:07 | Then again, they might not. | |
| 20:08 | rangi | ahh right |
| 20:14 | santy | ok, thank you all, problem solved, the record length must be exactly 5 characters long in the leader... now the special letters appear all ok, this was a tricky one for me |
| 20:18 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:18 | rangi | cya oleonard |
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| 20:21 | jcamins | This might be an issue. |
| 20:22 | The wind has turned somewhat, and is blowing with gale force through our air conditioning units. | |
| 20:22 | rangi | eek |
| 20:25 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 20:25 | huginn | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 9.3°C (4:25 PM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 28.95 in 980 hPa (Falling). High Wind Warning in effect until 8 PM EDT Tuesday... |
| 20:26 | rambutan | @wunder 08401 |
| 20:26 | huginn | rambutan: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 20:27 | rambutan | what? |
| 20:27 | rangi | i forgot DC was taht close to the coast |
| 20:27 | rambutan | 08401 is Atlantic City. Suppose the hurricane done wiped them off the wx map? |
| 20:28 | jwagner | yep. The worst of the storm is hitting us now, according to the newspeeps. I'm surprised I still have power.... |
| 20:28 | rambutan | wx channel says Atlantic City area pressure is 940mb. That's pretty low. |
| 20:29 | what city are you in jwagner? | |
| 20:29 | jwagner | College Park, MD (DC suburb) |
| 20:30 | rambutan | University of Md? That's where I graduated from. |
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| 21:16 | tcohen | hi jcamins, is there a roadmap for 3.12 on the wiki? |
| 21:16 | jcamins | tcohen: no. |
| 21:17 | tcohen | will it be released based on time then? |
| 21:18 | i'm asking because we need to do some work on suspensions | |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 21:19 | 6mo schedule. | |
| 21:19 | tcohen | and wanted to know if there's a chance we can at least push that subject on a RFC |
| 21:19 | jcamins | And it'll actually be 6 mo. |
| 21:20 | rangi | yay ! |
| 21:20 | tcohen | so, that's the time frame we have |
| 21:20 | rangi | back to our regularly scheduled releases |
| 21:20 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 21:21 | rangi | hi tcohen |
| 21:21 | tcohen | i think suspensions need to be acknowledged the way fines are |
| 21:22 | have their own table, and be related to actual issues/items | |
| 21:22 | rangi | yep |
| 21:27 | tcohen | what persistence lib are we using? |
| 21:28 | DBIx::Class? | |
| 21:28 | jcamins | tcohen: we're not. |
| 21:28 | DBIx::Class is the direction we're going, though. | |
| 21:28 | tcohen | libsysguy mentioned his work on that one I think |
| 21:29 | cait | tcohen: be careful - it's not really 6 months |
| 21:29 | because of the freezes | |
| 21:29 | make sure you finish in time to get it tested and through qa | |
| 21:30 | the ealrier the better | |
| 21:31 | eythian | hi |
| 21:31 | cjh | morning |
| 21:31 | jcamins | Right. |
| 21:32 | cait | hi eythian and cjh |
| 21:34 | tcohen | understood cait, thanks |
| 21:34 | hi eythian | |
| 21:36 | does anyone know the scope of libsysguy's work on introducing DBIx::Class? | |
| 21:36 | jcamins | @search dbix |
| 21:36 | huginn | jcamins: There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 21:36 | jcamins | @query dbix |
| 21:36 | huginn | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5837 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Change installer to use DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned instead of updatedatabase.pl |
| 21:36 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8309 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Koha namespace organisation, first implementation | |
| 21:36 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, In Discussion , Koha uses MySQL | |
| 21:36 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class | |
| 21:36 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add Course Reserves | |
| 21:36 | jcamins | Bug 8798 |
| 21:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class |
| 21:37 | tcohen | thanks |
| 21:37 | so, we have an RFC for 3.12 ;) | |
| 21:38 | I mean, an interesting roadmap | |
| 21:40 | cait | tcohen: lots of interesting patches and ideas :) hope a lot of work done on them too :) |
| 21:40 | jcamins | Damn. |
| 21:40 | First brownout. | |
| 21:40 | cait | ? |
| 21:40 | oh | |
| 21:40 | eythian | power is totally off to a friend of mine around NY somewhere. |
| 21:40 | jcamins | cait: it's just a matter of time before the power goes out. |
| 21:41 | rangi | yep, natec, jessem and i think nengard have all lost power too |
| 21:41 | * cait | gets out more duct tape |
| 21:42 | eythian | he's still on IRC however, I'm not sure how. |
| 21:42 | jcamins | eythian: 3g? |
| 21:42 | eythian | probably |
| 21:43 | I'd be inclined to save battery, but maybe he has a lot to spare. | |
| 21:44 | tcohen | guess http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149 |
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| 21:51 | tcohen | is there any tradeoff on using DBIx::Class regarding things like Plack? |
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| 21:53 | madcrow | Hello there Koha-philes |
| 21:53 | rangi | hi madcrow |
| 21:54 | jcamins | tcohen: it works better under Plack. |
| 21:54 | Acceptably, to my mind, under CGI. | |
| 21:54 | * jcamins | closes everything down. |
| 21:54 | jcamins | So long, #koha. |
| 21:54 | rangi | good luck jcamins |
| 21:54 | jcamins | I'll update druthb every so often. |
| 21:54 | rangi | cool |
| 21:55 | madcrow | I'm working on a project to get a local SF club's 15k volume library cataloged and I've got some questions |
| 21:56 | jcamins_away | Bye. |
| 21:56 | If my nick signs off, it means that Brooklyn's under water. | |
| 21:56 | Or out of power. | |
| 21:56 | Bye. | |
| 21:56 | cait | bye |
| 21:56 | good luck! | |
| 21:57 | madcrow | 1st, is Koha overkill for a 15000 volume collection |
| 21:58 | tcohen | no it isn't madcrow |
| 21:58 | rangi | depends what you want to do, if you plan to use the features like circulation etc, and you have cataloguers who understand MARC data and other things |
| 21:58 | eythian | madcrow: no. We have people using it with significantly smaller collections |
| 21:58 | rangi | no |
| 21:58 | cait | is it a library with a librarian? do you circulate books between members? |
| 21:58 | rangi | but if yuo only want a searchable catalogue |
| 21:58 | then yes | |
| 21:58 | cait | and what rangi said :) |
| 21:59 | madcrow | we do circulate and would like to get away from the whole "write the book in the checkout binder" which half our members seem to screw up |
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| 22:00 | eythian | madcrow: then yes, if you know/don't mind learning MARC, Koha will most likely suit you. |
| 22:02 | cait | madcrow: but beare... no guarantees they won't screw up circulationg with koha too ;) |
| 22:03 | madcrow | the koha self-checkout screen looks simple enough that they can handle it |
| 22:04 | eythian | http://www.washingtonpost.com/[…]2/10/original.gif <-- what's going on in the US |
| 22:04 | madcrow | here in boston, it's not that bad yet... |
| 22:05 | eythian | at least some parts of boston metro have no power. |
| 22:05 | madcrow | its been turned off on purpose |
| 22:05 | eythian | oh ah |
| 22:05 | that makes some sense I guess. | |
| 22:05 | madcrow | they want people to stay home... |
| 22:05 | eythian | On the flip side, it's on of the best days here we've had in a while. |
| 22:06 | I guess we're just getting the other side of the average | |
| 22:06 | ibeardslee | yeah sucky day to be inside today |
| 22:07 | madcrow | well new jersey's the place that's got it real bad |
| 22:07 | rangi | thats where nengard is |
| 22:08 | madcrow | yuck |
| 22:08 | anyway, at least i've had some time to research koha | |
| 22:11 | melia_ | nengard says so far, so good. she says the storm has just come on land, but she is north of the eye and so far has just seen some wind and rain but nothing major. |
| 22:11 | rangi | cool |
| 22:11 | cait | hope it stays like that |
| 22:12 | madcrow | sounds good |
| 22:13 | anyway, at the moment i'm also wondering if there's a good list of free z39.59 sources on the net | |
| 22:14 | cait | irspy |
| 22:14 | rangi | irspy? |
| 22:14 | wahanui | irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com. |
| 22:15 | cait | ah thx rangi |
| 22:15 | madcrow | thanks |
| 22:23 | of course the one library i really wanted to query seems to have disabled public z39.50 access... | |
| 22:23 | cait | which one is it? |
| 22:24 | madcrow | the last 26 connection attempts from irspy for the uc riverside server are fails |
| 22:24 | scotty.ucr.edu | |
| 22:25 | cait | hm you could send them an email and ask maybe? |
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| 22:29 | eythian | http://www.tor.com/stories/2011/08/wikihistory |
| 22:32 | cait | where do you always find links like that? |
| 22:33 | eythian | The internet |
| 22:33 | wahanui | the internet is not working here properly... I may disappear |
| 22:35 | cait | ah ok |
| 22:35 | madcrow | drat. it would appear that most UC libraries killed Z39.50 access when they moved to worldcat... |
| 22:35 | cait | sadly.. that probably makes sense :( |
| 22:40 | madcrow | it looks like free bibliographic data is going away |
| 22:40 | cait | I am not sure you can say that |
| 22:40 | and it depends probably on what kind of data you are looking for | |
| 22:41 | a lot of data in germany has been released lately under cc0 even | |
| 22:42 | madcrow | well, i'm thinking mainly of servers providing machine-readable data on demand |
| 22:42 | cait | there are some free servers too |
| 22:43 | did you install koha with the example z39.50 servers? | |
| 22:45 | madcrow | yes |
| 22:45 | but those are only a start | |
| 22:46 | especially for works with many editions and printings, the built-in sources miss a lot | |
| 22:49 | cait | maybe someone from US can give you some hints |
| 22:49 | madcrow | possibly |
| 23:03 | anyway, i'm out | |
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| 23:06 | cait | night all |
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| 23:59 | rangi | http://www.nytimes.com/interac[…]ricane-sandy.html |
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