IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-05

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Time	Nick	Message
00:02	halcyonCorsair	hmm...
00:04		cron for now i guess
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00:12	BobB	kathryn about?
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00:27	halcyonCorsair	what is z39.50/sru?
00:34	jcamins	Two different protocols for harvesting data.
00:35		Z39.50 is the older protocol used by libraries, SRU is the newer web service-y one.
00:44	halcyonCorsair	hard coding....all the things
00:44		la, lalala
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01:14	halcyonCorsair	jcamins: do you use chef or vagrant at all?
01:16	jcamins	halcyonCorsair: not really. On my to-do list is putting chef into production.
01:17	rangi	Provide  a data dictionary which allows searches on symbols to be recognised as words (e.g ampersands (&) and hyphens)
01:17		do we need to do that?
01:17		they are search as words by default eh?
01:18	jcamins	rangi: huh?
01:18		Oh.
01:18		No, Koha doesn't do that.
01:18	rangi	from a requirements spec
01:19		ta
02:31	* chris_n	steps off of the software raid roller-coaster and tries to figure out which way is up
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02:50	chobbs	Hi #koha! Any way to hide patron address info from certain staff? I need a solution between self check-out and staff check out to allow volunteers to help circulate.
02:50		Hi #koha! Any way to hide patron address info from certain staff? I need a solution between self check-out and staff check out to allow volunteers to help circulate.
02:50		Ah jeez, sorry for the double post :(
02:52	rangi	nope, you'd have to write that, or find someone to do that for yoou
02:53	chobbs	Figured it was a long shot :)
02:56	rangi	one of these days, when i invent a time machine, i am going to go back and find who invented RFPs and stab them with a rock
02:59	wajasu	so if i want someone to decide whether to keep smsoverdues.pl and rss.pl, or actually fix the existing tests at the nexy meeting(8th i think), how do i suggest that be put on the agenda? an email mailing list?
03:00	rangi	thats not really a meeting topic
03:00		the koha-devel mailing list is the best place for that
03:04	wajasu	rangi: the other db-dep tests that failed.  one was Serials.t and I was trying to look at related commits.  Like if a coumn was added to a schema or EAN related commits. then it might show what changed to break it.
03:05		are you familiar with that test?
03:05	rangi	nope
03:05	wajasu	when was the last time all the db-dep test passed? a release?
03:06	rangi	they all pass on jenkins right now
03:06		for 3.8.x and 3.6.x branches
03:06		most likely you are missing data in your db for Serials.t
03:06	wajasu	well i must have a bad test setup.  maybe i need the test data from wizzyrea.
03:07	rangi	yep, all 34 tests pass currently for Serials.t on jenkins
03:07	wajasu	does jenkins load test data, then updatedatebase.pl then run em?
03:08	rangi	it just runs updatedatabase.pl it has all the test data in it already
03:10	wajasu	so i should be able to pull master fresh, do dev install, run webinstaller with all data options selected, then run prove t/db_dependent without loading test data?
03:11		jaca and wizzyrea were saying otherwise yesterday.  Reserve.t would fail, because there wasn't a biblio inthe db, etc.
03:16	rangi	try it and see, you probably need to create at least one biblio and one item
03:17	wajasu	http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]aster/810/console        cearch for   Serials.t
03:18		i did create a biblio and it worked.  but you must have loaded one before the jenkins test run.
03:18	rangi	you answered your own question then
03:20	wajasu	so i just wonder if you had a test data load that is in git master that is run on a db install, or are you just running the updatedabase  before each test run on the same database?
03:21	rangi	the latter
03:21		15:08 <@rangi> it just runs updatedatabase.pl it has all the test data in it already
03:22	wajasu	oh. thx for your patience :)
03:22	rangi	no worries, i have less of it today than usual
03:22		as im having to answer 107 pages of questions in an RFP
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04:35	Oak	Ahoy me hearties :)
04:35		magnuse
04:36		cait o/
04:36	cait	hi Oak :)
04:37	Oak	how long before the meeting starts?
04:37		in hour
04:37		s
04:37	cait	hm
04:37		not sure
04:37		many
04:37	Oak	okay cool
04:37	cait	I am not good with time zones
04:39	Oak	me also
04:39		'not good' would be an understatement fo me though
04:55		i meant you may be not good, but i'm worse... for example i just googled what utc means.
04:57		this looks fun: http://nicolargo.github.com/glances/
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05:26	Oak	Ahoy mtompset
05:27	mtompset	Greetings, #koha -- Oak :)
05:27	Oak	:)
05:27	mtompset	Do you have have reverse proxy setup experience with redis and/or node.js?
05:28		have have -> have any
05:28	Oak	nope
05:36	magnuse	Oak
05:36	Oak	\o/
05:36		present
05:36	magnuse	:-)
05:37		Oak: te meeting is in 12 hours and ~20 minutes, as far as i can tell
05:38	Oak	ah... roger that.
05:39		ten four
05:52	halcyonCorsair	hmm, the install doesn't seem to be obeying the WEBSERVER_IP variable...thoughts?
05:57	mtompset	WEBSERVER_IP variable?
05:57		What file is that in?
05:57		What file is that in, halcyonCorsair?
05:58	halcyonCorsair	mtompset: gets used by koha-http.conf
05:58		umm, rewrite-something.PL
05:59	mtompset	Are you doing a tarball or a git install?
05:59	halcyonCorsair	git install
06:00	mtompset	What do you mean doesn't seem to be obeying?
06:00		you've run the perl Makefile.PL
06:00		you've run the make
06:00		have you run the make test?
06:01		have you run the make install?
06:02		Because once you have the install... that's when the variable should be changed to the value you are expecting.
06:03		You don't need to edit any files between these four steps (perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, make install)
06:04	halcyonCorsair	mtompset: i'm talking about setting the environment variable
06:05	mtompset	I know, but I'm trying to understand why you are looking at that variable.
06:05		And why do you expect Koha to know about it?
06:06	halcyonCorsair	i expect one of those four steps to use that variable to create the http config correctly
06:06	mtompset	I was convering the case that you were referring to something else.
06:06	halcyonCorsair	mtompset: ^
06:06	mtompset	Uh, no.
06:07		I do not believe it does.
06:07		During a tarball, git install, you end up editing the apache config file that is generated.
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06:12	halcyonCorsair	no, rewrite-config.PL definitely uses it
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06:19	koyauni	hi guys, how can one create additional normal Admin, I want my system to have one Super Admin and many normal Admin with limited permissions
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06:26	magnuse	koyauni: PAtrons > New patron > Staff
06:27		koyauni: then, when you have added a user, you click More > Set permissions
06:27		then you can choose what each user is allowed to do
06:29	cait	halcyonCorsair: maybe you are looking at the wrong file?
06:30		halcyonCorsair: did you do a git dev or standard install? if you did adev, there is a generated file in koha-dev directory, so outside of the git controlled part
06:31	halcyonCorsair	mmm, no...i *think* the issue is that the environment isn't correct when make, etc are getting run
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06:40	reiveune	hello
06:40	wahanui	hey, reiveune
06:44	koyauni	Thanks I found an old help page saying the same thing, thank you anyway,
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06:45	cait	bbl
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06:47	koyauni	http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]nuary/012973.html
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06:50	francharb	hello #koha
07:00	matts	hi !
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07:16	gaetan_B	hello
07:16	kf	hi gaetan_B
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07:18	kf	good morning #koha
07:19	Dan_T	whois Dan_T
07:19		oh right... I am
07:20	kf	identity crisis? :)
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07:32	kf	good morning paul_p and hdl
07:32	magnuse	wow, i didnt even know rewrite -config.PL existed, or that it uses environmnt variables
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08:03	drojf	good morning #koha
08:08	kf	morning drojf
08:09	drojf	moin kf
08:10	rangi	evening all
08:10	kf	evening rangi
08:30	slef	magnuse: we needed it to have some way to override the autodetection and that seemed easiest because we already do it with PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF
08:31	magnuse	ok on a scale from 1 to 11, how crazy does this sound: using a TT template to format marc records for display in the digital signs, and storing that template as a syspref, for easy tweaking
08:31		slef: cool, i just didn't know it was possible to influence those settings with env vars :-)
08:32	slef	ooh a library just pulled up at the bottom of my drive
08:32	* slef	goes to look
08:33		demolishes a radio on the way out
08:35	magnuse	a *library* just pulled up?!?
08:40	kf	magnuse: not so crazy :) make it a plugin :)
08:41	magnuse	plugin?
08:41	kf	ok, don't listen to me
08:41		but I am sure there is some nice way to do it with TT
08:41		I am still trying to understand what all the parts are for
08:44	magnuse	yeah, tt is quite a big system, probably with lots of hidden goodies
08:44	slef	magnuse: yes, we still have library vans over here apparently. I did not know that.
08:44	* slef	puts it on his calendar
08:46	magnuse	like a mobile library, where you can borrow books, right?
08:57		we have those too, and a book boat to boot http://www.bokbaten.no/index.p[…]tion=static&id=17
09:02	drojf	the book boat is cool <3
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09:05	kf	morning robin
09:05	eythian	hello kf
09:06	kf	office in the same place as yesterday?
09:06	eythian	yep
09:07		it's a little cooler today though
09:07	kf	@wunder Konstanz
09:07	huginn	kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 19.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
09:07	kf	still no sun here
09:10	* kf	blames eythian
09:11	eythian	I have sun, but 18°. It'll warm up soon enough though.
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09:13	drojf	a little older but i have not seen that before. sounds "great". http://thenextweb.com/media/20[…]ytics-for-ebooks/
09:13		hi eythian
09:13	eythian	good morning drojf
09:14		drojf: the line graphs should be histograms!
09:15	slef	magnuse: the river is too far away, about half a mile ;)
09:17	magnuse	slef: too bad :-)
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09:40	Barrc	Morning all - would anyone know if it is possible to use KeyAttr with MARC::File::XML as it is with XML::Simple? I have been tasked with extracting/changing some tags in the MarcXML field in bibioitems and wondering how best to go about it?
09:40	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files Updated installation instructions, cleaned... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d90d277493bd912dd> / Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]422c4e3a2194b2973> / Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ha.git;a=commitdi
09:43	eythian	Barrc: I don't think so, at least, I've not heard of it.
09:43		I tend to parse things into a MARC::Record and manipulate them with that.
09:44	* eythian	still needs to experiment with MARC::MIR
09:44	Barrc	eythian: Thanks - I am open to options, so I might give that a look!
09:45	kf	maybe exporting, using some tool to clean up and reimporting is also an option
09:53	jenkins_koha	Starting build #812 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago)
10:02	Dan_T	does any one know if there is a way to disable a specific patron messaging preference for all patrons?
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10:08	jenkins_koha	Starting build #155 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:09	Dan_T	would modifying the patron categories default preferences apply that to existing records?
10:09	rangi	no
10:10		thats only the default for creating new patrons
10:10	Dan_T	that's what I thought. Thanks
10:11	slef	you could probably write a script using the C4 API to change existing ones... not the simplest though
10:14	kf	slef: I think there is one in misc somewhere
10:14		never used it so far
10:19	Dan_T	I was thinking that I might be able to touch those fields with a patron import but I don't see a spot for it
10:20		I'll look into that thanks slef
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10:21	kf	Dan_T: the iformation is scatteres in 4 tables
10:21		scattered
10:22		can't be changed by patron import
10:22		but look for a script in misc
10:22	Dan_T	yea I'm on the page now
10:23		I think.. http://perldoc.koha-community.org/
10:23	kf	http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d90d277493bd912dd
10:23	Dan_T	ah outstanding, thank you
10:23	kf	Dan_T: that will give you the perldoc for everything in C4 - I meant a script to enforce the defaults you set :) I haven't used it, but it's maybe worth a try on a test installation
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11:49	jcamins	paul_p: could you please push your master branch to git.k-c.org?
11:49		I'm trying to resolve the conflict on 8597.
11:50	paul_p	hi jcamins. done (it was only 3 patches late)
11:50	jcamins	Thanks.
11:52	kf	morning jcamins
11:53	jcamins	Morning.
11:53	wahanui	well, morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
11:54	mbalmer	screenshot of a touchscreen point of sale terminal after scanning a Koha patron card: http://www.arcapos.com/cde/kohalink.png
11:55		(in german localization)
11:57	jcamins	kf: is the webinstaller translated into German?
11:57	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #812: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/812/
11:57		* julian.maurice: Bug 8666: Hide 'New basket' link if supplier is inactive
11:57		* nengard: update 'onloan' in items and deleteditems
11:57		* colin.campbell: Bug 8675 Add hours and mins to renewal due date
11:57		* oleonard: Bug 2553 [Serials report] alphabetize dropdown menus
11:57	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8666 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Prevent to create baskets for inactive suppliers
11:57	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 8549 - DataTables upgrade broke display of next/previous buttons in table controls
11:57		* robin: Bug 8594 - prevent the report system from breaking some subqueries
11:57		* Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - OPAC XSLT respecting single branch mode
11:57		* Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC
11:57		* Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC
11:57	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8675 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Renewing item to specified date creates a due date with HH:MM set to 00:00
11:57		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , alphabetize dropdown menus
11:57	jenkins_koha	* mtompset: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files Updated installation instructions, cleaned up ubuntu-pkg-check.sh, renamed ubuntu*.packages files more consistently, updated files to include missing libraries, corrected incorrect libraries (yaz3->yaz4, mysqlclient v16 to v18, dropped the dev version of the client).
11:57	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8549 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , DataTables upgrade broke display of next/previous buttons in table controls
11:57		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8594 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , A report containing a subquery that has a 'limit' will have that limit stripped out
11:57		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6886 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Single branch mode should disable showing the branch name in front of all callnumbers
11:57		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Update Ubuntu related files
11:58		New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aa1ac0d49098bfed0> / Bug 8623: Do not accept "lib" as a valid theme <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]be6f979fc7dd4ccc8> / Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]917ce19e26225259d
11:58	jenkins_koha	Starting build #813 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago)
12:03	jcamins	paul_p: I rebased the last two patches on bug 8597.
12:03	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Patch doesn't apply , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
12:06	kf	jcamins: yes, why?
12:07	paul_p	jcamins OK, will check later
12:07	jcamins	kf: I got an error when it automatically went to the installer.
12:07	kf	hm
12:08		that's not good
12:08		and we have seen that at the workhop
12:08		did you click back or something like that?
12:08		or just forward and choosing de at at the beginning?
12:08	jcamins	It was the automatic updatedatabase run.
12:09	kf	hm
12:09	* paul_p	testing bug 7621 ... will I push it today ?
12:09	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Passed QA , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
12:09	kf	confusing
12:09		shouldn't have anything to do with the installer I think
12:09	jcamins	updatedatabase uses the installer templates rather than regular templates.
12:10	kf	hm yes
12:10		which version of koha?
12:10	wahanui	which version of koha are you using?
12:11	jcamins	master.
12:11	kf	hm
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12:12	jcamins	I think I probably installed the translation wrong.
12:13		I get the error: Koha directories hierarchy for de-DE must be created first
12:14	kf	ah yeah
12:14		I have seen that
12:15		I amnot sure why it happens sometimes :(
12:15		oh right
12:15		german does not work in mater
12:15	* magnuse	has seen that too
12:15	kf	there is a fatal error in the po file
12:15	jcamins	Ohhh.
12:15	kf	because I missed the date before release and the error
12:15		you have to get a file from pootle or run update on it
12:15		or fix the probem :(
12:15	jcamins	I will use French.
12:16	kf	fatal means the translation process dies and not all files get translated
12:16		:(
12:20	jcamins	French works.
12:21		Well, installing the language works.
12:22		Yeah, the problem was the translator crash.
12:25	kf	*sighs*
12:25		one more thing to look forward to on the next release
12:26	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.8.x build #155: SUCCESS in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/155/
12:26		julian.maurice: Bug 8666: Hide 'New basket' link if supplier is inactive
12:26	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8666 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Prevent to create baskets for inactive suppliers
12:27	jenkins_koha	Starting build #156 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:32	paul_p	mveron will be happy, i'm about to push bug 7621 ;-)
12:32	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Passed QA , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
12:32	kf	yay :)
12:32		paul_p++ mveron++
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12:36	paul_p	is it me or git is slooowww ?
12:37	mbalmer	paul_p, thanks for 7621, it is really important over here in switzerland and I guess you just made mveron a very happy man ;)
12:38	* kf	guesses so too :)
12:38	paul_p	(one of our customer just asked for this feature 2 weeks ago, and he will be happy to ;-) )
12:38	kf	happy koha people everywhere :)
12:41	mbalmer	even our infokiosk systems and payment stations begin to be friends with Koha ….
12:48	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8293' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3cde20ac1dbef1bc4> / Bug 8293 : Fixing POD to match actuality. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]564515c0676689845> / Bug 7621 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8c898e721bc631e32
12:49	BobB	@seen druthb
12:49	huginn	BobB: druthb was last seen in #koha 5 days, 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: * druthb waves from eastern Kansas
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12:51	Joubu	Hello #koha
12:51	oleonard	Hi Joubu
12:52	* jcamins_away	waves to oleonard and Joubu.
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12:52	Oak	think of the...
12:53	kf	hi Joubu
12:53		hi Oak :)
12:53	Oak	awesomeness, and awesome is here
12:53	druthb	BobB:  you were looking for me?
12:53	Oak	hello Miss katrin
12:53	druthb	Hi, Oak and kf! :)
12:54	kf	hi druthb :)
12:54	BobB	hi ruth!
12:54	druthb	:D
12:54	Oak	hello aweosme Ruth :)
12:54	* kf	thinks druthb has her spies everywhere
12:54	druthb	:)
12:54	jcamins_away	Meeting in five hours.
12:54	kf	thx jcamins_away
12:54	eythian	how (if at all) do we handle covers from multiple sources?
12:55	oleonard	khall++ # for the progress on patron self-registration
12:55	eythian	I can't see anything obvious in the JS that causes only the first hit to show
12:55	oleonard	That's correct eythian
12:55	kf	eythian: currently not really I think, but there are bugs and maybe patches for it in bugzilla
12:55	jcamins_away	eythian: we show all of them.
12:55	eythian	Hmm
12:55		right
12:55	khall	oleonard: thanks! I'll have a new patch ready in moments, just adding some POD
12:55	jcamins_away	magnuse, tcohen, and kmkale are all working on the problem.
12:56		Though, kmkale hasn't been doing anything with Koha in the last six months.
12:56	oleonard	eythian: Do you observe something different?
12:56	Oak	jcamins_away, does not that result in multiple images appearing for a single item? if there are multiple sources available...
12:56	jcamins_away	Oak: yes, of course.
12:56		That's why it's a problem. ;)
12:56	eythian	we have another cover source to add, and would need to make them behave so that only one shows
12:56	Oak	that's bad
12:56		ah yes
12:56		got it
12:56	jcamins_away	And not just a happy little accident.
12:56	eythian	I thought I had seen it behave differently
12:56		But I may be wrong
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12:57	magnuse	yeah, currently you get multiple covers if you turn on multiple sources and more then one gives a hit
12:57	Oak	i wish there could be a way to check if result of one source is True, then a all other sources ignored.
12:57	oleonard	eythian: Not unless you saw an unintended behavior
12:58	magnuse	i am thinking of solving it server-side - have a script that accepts a biblionumber and that returns/redirects to the first image found. with caching
12:58	oleonard	I imagine that an AJAX script could roll through each source and stop on first success
12:58	Oak	or if two sources have the images, then the one with bigger dimensions gets chosen automatically :)
12:58	jcamins_away	magnuse: the problem with that is Amazon. :(
12:58	kf	*sigh*
12:58		I know I had a checklist for opac features somewhere...
12:58	oleonard	magnuse: Caching results violates Amazon's terms of service I think
12:58	magnuse	Oak: yeah, that is an interesting twist on it
12:59	oleonard	Maybe Google's too
12:59	eythian	oleonard: you can cache the success of the request
12:59	magnuse	aren't we throwing out amazon?
12:59	* kf	blames eythian (habit)
12:59	kf	nah, not really... *continues search*
12:59	magnuse	eythian: yeah, that might be what i was thinking
12:59	oleonard	magnuse: We haven't thrown out Amazon covers yet because they don't require the API
12:59	magnuse	ah yes
12:59	jcamins_away	magnuse: not yes.
12:59	magnuse	cache the others and check amazon last, then
13:00		kf: search for what?
13:00	kf	for my missing document :)
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13:00	jcamins_away	magnuse: ooh, that makes sense.
13:00		search for something?
13:01	magnuse	bug 7187
13:01	oleonard	You guys, you're making wahanui pass out
13:01	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
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13:02	eythian	hmm, wahanui needs some reconnection logic, he gets banned for reconnecting too fast.
13:02	jcamins_away	Is there anything I need to say about 3.6.x beyond what I already said?
13:02		eythian: if he didn't whenever anyone said "change" or "search," that'd help. :P
13:03	eythian	yes, that too :)
13:03	jcamins_away	On schedule, new sacrificial lamb found...
13:03	Oak	let's have a bar-b-q
13:04	eythian	huh, he also has a 60MB log of the channel
13:04	magnuse	yeah, sacrificial lamb is yummy!
13:04		with lots of garlic and rosemary!
13:04	Oak	:)
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13:08	mveron	Hi #koha
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13:08	drojf	hi mveron
13:09	mveron	...and many thanks to paul_p for pushing my age restriction :-)
13:09		hi drojf
13:10		@wunder Basel
13:10	drojf	don't want to spam the channel with off topic links again, but rap news 15 is awesome!
13:10	huginn	mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 24.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on September 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:12	drojf	kf: thanks for the link. so how do we get koha in there? :)
13:13	mveron	Hi kf
13:14	kf	drojf: not sure yet
13:14		drojf: you coudl do something about your special use of koha and how it helps the users? maybe?
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13:17	kf	btw I found it :) (totally off topic... I know)
13:17	drojf	kf: i will have a look at what they did in earlier conferences to get an idea maybe
13:17	kf	I did a presentation on Koha when the conf was in Zürich
13:17		I think 2 years ago?
13:17		not sure we matched the cfp back then :)
13:18	drojf	heh
13:20	nengard	I got this question and I think the answer is yes ? but I don't know what the limit is "is there a limit to the overall size of a MARC record within Koha?"
13:22	eythian	nengard: 99,999 characters
13:22		that's a limit to the ISO MARC format
13:22	nengard	thank you!
13:22	drojf	kf: it would be nice if that conference was half a year later. when we are live and can actually think about doing internetty things to our library
13:24	eythian	nengard: as an aside, that value exposes one of the multitude of things wrong with the MARC format :)
13:24	nengard	you'll get no argument from me there!!
13:24		:)
13:25		i saw an email on the list artives that says 9999 ? do you have a typo or was that a typo?
13:25		archives
13:25	druthb	That was the typo.  It's 100,000 minus 1.
13:25	eythian	I think it's bigger than 10k
13:25		yeah
13:25		5 character field for the size
13:26		wholly chao, it costs CHF58,00 to buy the ISO2709:2008 spec.
13:27		also ha ha 2008, 1965 more like
13:30	mbalmer	hallo mveron!
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13:31	mveron	hallo mbalmer...
13:33	kf	eythian: why do you want to pay in CHF?
13:33	drojf	kf: found your talk. "koha in action" :D
13:33	* kf	hides
13:33	eythian	kf: I don't
13:33		It's just what it offered
13:34	kf	Interesting
13:34	wahanui	i think Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
13:34	eythian	I think that the ISO is based  in .ch
13:38	magnuse	the price is yet another reason to get rid of the marc formats...
13:39	eythian	hmm, searching for something with '&' in it doesn't work well at all.
13:39	nengard	i think there is a bug for that already
13:41	magnuse	is C4::Biblio::GetMarcISBN really the best way to get ISBNs out of records in Koha? it seems to be returning things like "91-0-010573-2 9100105732 (inb.)"
13:42	druthb	If you're looking for just the ISBN, what I usually do, magnuse, is GetMarcBiblio, then grab the 020$a, and pump it into Business::ISBN, so I can do useful things with it.
13:42	gmcharlt	indeed
13:42		good morning
13:42	druthb	hi, gmcharlt.
13:42		:)
13:43	gmcharlt	hi druthb
13:44	magnuse	hm, there is GetNormalizedISBN too, which lives in C4/Koha of all places...
13:45	druthb	magnuse:  For the data mashing I do, I treat the marc as the official, authoritative source, and utterly ignore all the database fields that (are supposed to) duplicate those, or any subroutine in Koha that uses those.
13:45		That is not always the easiest way to do things, but my confidence in the quality of the data is much, much higher.
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13:46	eythian	druthb: yeah, I do the same there
13:46	magnuse	GetNormalizedISBN get's it from the marc, unless you give it a value from biblioitems.isbn to clean up
13:48	druthb	eythian:  Your csvtomarc is freakin' brilliant; I came up with a minor mod that made it do what I wanted in one odd case--I'll turn that into a patch for you at some point, after I figure out how to describe the use case precisely.
13:48	eythian	druthb: awesome :)
13:49		druthb: most of that script is handling odd cases
13:50	druthb	Was a wierd case of turning something non-MARC-ish (a marriage record) into a MARC, just to make it searchable.  I had   BRIDE NAME, BRIDE DATE OF BIRTH, GROOM NAME, GROOM DATE OF BIRTH, and wanted to turn it into two 600 fields, with different $e, and name in $a and dates in $d.
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13:51	druthb	Since the mappings are handled in the order they are given, it makes sense to me that if you're doing multiples of something--which it did know how to do--you should look at the *last* one of those created, to see whether to add a subfield or create a new field, but the script was looking at the *first*.  I fixed.
13:52		It was doing 600 $aJohn Doe$egroom$dJune 8, 1968  600 $aJane Smith   600 $ebride   600 $d July 19,1969.   Now it does what I expected.  :)
13:54	eythian	ah yes, I see
13:54		that does make sense
13:56	druthb	That one had me bedeviled for a while.  You don't organise your code the same way I do, so it took me a while to trace down where to fix that.
13:56		That's a *very large* bit of brilliance.
13:57	eythian	heh yeah, it's become quite bloated beyond its initial intentions.
13:57		it's also not really organised.
13:58		If I knew it was going to swell like that, I would have split it into modules
13:58	* druthb	is debating a refactoring of it, along with adding a few tricks of her own, based on things she's doing in her assortment of MARC mashers.
13:59	* magnuse	cheers druthb on
14:00	druthb	I haven't worked with it in concert with a running Koha; I use it in isolation--grab CSV, make MARC, and use marc: and multimarc: mappings rather than fieldname maps.
14:02		Don't want to step on eythian's toes, magnuse.  I outmass him by a bit, and that would hurt a bit.  :)
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14:03	eythian	druthb: I tend to work the same way too, the first time I wrote it I used fieldnames a lot, but now almost never.
14:03	mtompset	Greetings, #koha.
14:03	eythian	refactoring would not be a bad thing at all.
14:03	mtompset	Greetings, eythian. Got the proxy settings all nicely sorted out. :)
14:03	eythian	mtompset: awesomecross
14:03	mtompset	It was the short name vs. long name.
14:04	eythian	thought as much
14:04	druthb	:)  I'll take a look at possibilities for refactoring, eythian...might be able to modularise some of that, along with some of my stuff, and finally get the migration toolkit started, instead of the disorganized cluttery mess I have on gitorious.
14:05	eythian	that's a good plan
14:06	mtompset	What is the role of "Bug Wrangler"?
14:10	oleonard	mtompset: Test patches, review bug reports, confirm bugs, correct bug details, correct assignment, anything else they can think of?
14:10	mtompset	libsysguy++ # Yes, yes writing documentation is exactly like having one's fingernails pulled off.
14:12	nengard	i disagree
14:12		i like writing documentation :)
14:12	oleonard	Thank goodness for us nengard!
14:12	magnuse	nengard++
14:12	oleonard	nengard++
14:12	nengard	:)
14:12		hehe
14:13	gmcharlt	nengard++
14:13	kf	nengard++
14:13	mtompset	nengard++
14:13	nengard	oooo boy :)
14:13	mtompset	For a developer. :)
14:13	* nengard	is blushing
14:14	kf	nengard: and i got a queston :)
14:14	nengard	okay?
14:14	kf	do we have a description of easyanalytics somewhere? :)
14:15		I found the Add host item in the manual, now I am looking for the easyanalytics feature
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14:15	* druthb	reaches for the Velcro.
14:15	nengard	I have a question too ? can anyone help me with this? http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ugust/034028.html
14:16		kf yes, let me find it
14:16		http://manual.koha-community.o[…]#cataloganalytics
14:16		now, I think there is a problem with the wording, it's a bit confusing
14:17	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #813: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/813/
14:17		* jcamins: Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback
14:17		* jcamins: Bug 8623: Do not accept "lib" as a valid theme
14:17		* jcamins: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog
14:17	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken
14:17		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
14:17	kf	hm I found that
14:17		but that works without easyanalyticstoo
14:17		aaah
14:17		no
14:17		I got my mistake
14:17		there is something new now
14:18		where you can add a child record
14:18	jenkins_koha	Starting build #814 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago)
14:18	kf	and that is child to parent
14:18	oleonard	What frequency do folks set up their process_message_queue with?
14:18	nengard	hourly
14:19	kf	same here I think
14:19	oleonard	That could be a problem for patron self-registration
14:19	nengard	oh!
14:19		hmmmm
14:19	oleonard	People are going to expect their confirmation email right away
14:19	nengard	good point
14:19		khall would know best
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14:20	khall	I had thought about that. We need some kind of "send immediately" sub
14:20	wizzyrea	don't the hold notices go immediately
14:20	eythian	15 minutes for the packages
14:21	wizzyrea	or… the checkin notices
14:21		one of them goes right away
14:21	eythian	We need to use real queue systems, not cron jobs
14:21	khall	wizzyrea, thanks, I'll look at the code.
14:21	eythian	everything needs to send email the same way, but we need to improve how it gets sent.
14:21	wizzyrea	^^ but this
14:21	wajasu	^^ yup
14:22	eythian	also we could do smart things like having them run over a network, so you could have a zebra reindexing machine, and a mail processing machine
14:24	wajasu	generic message notification with various transports decouples(sms, email, etc)   an ESB of sorts to decouple.
14:24	* magnuse	starts to make some notes on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]tiple_sources_RFC
14:24	khall	CHECKOUT notices use the message queue
14:25	eythian	password notifications don't, and there's something else that doesn't
14:25		maybe it was sending lists or something
14:27	rambutan	Has anyone looked at what it would take for Koha to have the hooks to services like Dwolla? http://dwolla.com http://developers.dwolla.com/dev
14:27		Seems like I remember somebody (rangi?) mentioning it a long time ago.
14:28	eythian	rambutan: hooks to do what?
14:29	oleonard	eythian: Sending lists and sending carts
14:29	eythian	ah yes
14:29	rambutan	OK, a patron has fines or a bill, so you have a button in Koha "Pay amount with Dwolla" and Koha accesses the Dwolla API to process the fine, and when completed Koha credits their account with the payment
14:29	kf	claims is also another example I think
14:29	eythian	rambutan: oh, good idea. I haven't heard of it, doesn't mean someone hasn't put thought into it though
14:29	kf	or some of the claims, but possible it changed with the recent owrk from biblibre :)
14:29		claims got redone mostly
14:30	nengard	you can't have the checkouts or checkins go immediately cause they might be digested so you need a bit of time between checkin and email sending
14:30		which someone might have said
14:32	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2f3247906b222a8fd> / Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]695a1e00ce9b99e76> / Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git
14:33	wajasu	looking t t/db_dependent/Reserves.t   AddReserve call is missing resdate and expdate in call.   I suspect that is not correct.
14:40	jcamins	wajasu: check with libsysguy, he might be working on that.
14:40		rambutan: someone did some work on that.
14:40		rambutan: unfortunately, I can't remember who.
14:41	wajasu	ok
14:43	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.8.x build #156: SUCCESS in 2 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/156/
14:43		* colin.campbell: Bug 8675 Add hours and mins to renewal due date
14:43		* oleonard: Bug 2553 [Serials report] alphabetize dropdown menus
14:43	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8675 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Renewing item to specified date creates a due date with HH:MM set to 00:00
14:43		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , alphabetize dropdown menus
14:43	jcamins	wajasu: never mind, he's working on C4::Circulation.
14:44	wizzyrea	then it must be the hold notices that go straight away
14:45	kf	nengard: sorry about your report - not sure how to do that
14:45	nengard	thanks for looking
14:45	wajasu	jcamins: ok
14:45	jcamins	mbalmer: do you happen to know who was doing work on integrating Koha with online payment services? I know you're integrating it with a POS system.
14:48	mtompset	Sorry I'm going to miss the meeting today. With this cold/cough, sleep is probably the better choice.
14:48	rambutan	when rangi signs on I'll ask him about dwolla
14:48	mtompset	Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. :)
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15:00	kf	bye all :)
15:00	mbalmer	jcamins, nope, I don't know that.
15:00	jcamins	mbalmer: ah well. I was thinking you might've come across it in preparing to work on your POS interface.
15:01	mbalmer	actually it would be rather easy...
15:01		using saferpay, that is
15:02	eythian	oh, there's a meeting today
15:02	jcamins	3 hours.
15:02	eythian	20:00. Hmm
15:02		I should be able to make that.
15:03	kf	:)
15:03		me too
15:03		hope I don't forget
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15:03	mbalmer	jcamins, I can be hired to integrate Koha with saferpay (done it before)
15:04	jcamins	rambutan: ^^ useful information
15:04	reiveune1	bye
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15:08	rambutan	"done it before"  Ah. OK
15:08	mbalmer	well, not for Koha, obviously.
15:08	gmcharlt	still, half the battle
15:09	rambutan	Since very few patrons would have any given service though, to make it worth coding you'd probably have to find the top five services and hook them all in.
15:09	mbalmer	saferpay is a well established service and paypal could also be intregated quite easily
15:10	jcamins	It seems to me any secure service that allows one-off CC payments would cover the vast majority of uses.
15:10	mbalmer	imo, most patrons likely prefer to pay on the spot, aka in the library
15:11	jcamins	Right, vast majority of uses of an online payment system, not vast majority of fine payments.
15:12		The situation changes in an academic institution, of course, where students might want to use their student account card to pay fines.
15:13	Oak	logs?
15:13	wahanui	logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
15:16	Oak	may I ask something stupid?
15:17	wizzyrea	@quote search ask
15:17	huginn	wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message)
15:17	jcamins	Of course.
15:17	wizzyrea	@quote get 145
15:17	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
15:17	wizzyrea	:)
15:17	Oak	:)
15:17	* druthb	perks.
15:17	druthb	@quote get 117
15:17	huginn	druthb: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011)
15:18	druthb	ah, yes.
15:18	Oak	listen to the question first wizzyrea ... it's not good
15:18	* wizzyrea	refers you to quote 145 ;)
15:18	eythian	wizzyrea: shortcut:
15:18		ask?
15:18	wahanui	Don't ask to ask, just ask.
15:18	wizzyrea	eythian: <3
15:18		awesome.
15:18	druthb	eythian++
15:18	gmcharlt	Oak: the anticipation is killing us! ;)
15:19	mbalmer	may I ask what Oak wanted to ask?
15:19	* druthb	waits for it...
15:19	Oak	i see the talk about these shiny new features... which are cool. but should not we be first paying attention to things like these:
15:19	eythian	wahanui: ask a stupid question is <reply>ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI
15:19	wahanui	OK, eythian.
15:19	Oak	bug 8418
15:19	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data
15:19	wajasu	ok. i shored up Reserves.t    i just need to know where how to supply a patch
15:19	Oak	bug 8110
15:19	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add tests for Calendar modules
15:19	Oak	bug 8253
15:19	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fine doubling
15:19	Oak	bug 8251
15:19	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
15:19	Oak	and make koha as rock solid as we can
15:19	wizzyrea	oh that's not a dumb question.
15:20	Oak	*then* talk about the shiny stuff
15:20	druthb	Oak++
15:20	eythian	Oak: if you do that, you'll never reach the shiny stuff
15:20	Oak	oh well, i was just thinking
15:20	eythian	also, for some of us it depends on what clients want to put money into.
15:20	Oak	hmm. good point. but the silly bugs are bugging me
15:20	jcamins	Oak: in some cases *cough*search*cough* things are so bad that the only choice is starting over. :(
15:20	gmcharlt	Oak: that's the constant tension -- between the sparkly new stuff and eating our brocolli
15:20	drojf	fix these things first. and searching. *hides*
15:20	Oak	:)
15:21	jcamins	On the plus side, there's this lunatic who has decided to fix search.
15:21	wajasu	:)
15:21	druthb	Something in the water in NYC makes people crazy.
15:21	drojf	the question is whether he will be in an insane asylum before he finishes :P
15:22		but i hear they have internet there too these days…
15:22	druthb	you mean, he's not already?  He lives in Queens, after all.
15:22	jcamins	druthb: it's the radioactive sludge.
15:22	wizzyrea	mid-20's mutant ninja coder?
15:22	druthb	neenja!
15:23	* druthb	booms, in her James Earl Jones-ish voice, "The Force is strong in this one."
15:24	Oak	guys who is he??? who are we talking about?
15:24		or she
15:24	* druthb	points at jcamins.
15:24	Oak	\p/
15:24		oho
15:24		p and o are close... so
15:25	druthb	he's the crazy one with the search-fu itch to scratch.
15:25	Oak	jcamins++
15:25	* Oak	hugs jcamins
15:25	* jcamins	gets frustrated every Friday, when he does work for this one client.
15:26	rambutan	search is actually a great example of fixing problems. While (IMHO) the search issues don't seem to have been a major concern of many Koha users, it's bugged the heck out of my staff
15:27	Joubu	bye ! o/
15:28	eythian	@later tell cait http://i.imgur.com/gYQKw.jpg KAW!
15:28	huginn	eythian: The operation succeeded.
15:29	wizzyrea	ok that picture is scary.
15:29		evil bird is evil!
15:29		but strangely cute.
15:30	jcamins	Good grief.
15:30	rambutan	so now having found somebody to fix search, I want Koha to have hooks to Asterisk so that Koha can autodial patrons with voice announcements telling them when their holds are available for pickup
15:30	jcamins	From the LCNAF: [THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED]
15:31		What on earth is the point of a record that can't be used under the current rules?
15:31	wizzyrea	the itiva stuff is already done I thought.
15:31	eythian	wahanui: pony is <reply>$who wants a pony! Someone give them a pony.
15:31	wahanui	OK, eythian.
15:31	eythian	pony?
15:31	wahanui	eythian wants a pony! Someone give them a pony.
15:31	wizzyrea	doesn't asterisk just use csv files for that kind of stuff?
15:31	jcamins	wizzyrea: I think it broke again.
15:32	wizzyrea	pony?
15:32	wahanui	wizzyrea wants a pony! Someone give them a pony.
15:32	wizzyrea	eythian: i like that one.
15:33	rambutan	wizzyrea: I don't know, I just made that up on the fly. Sounds like a good feature though.
15:33	wizzyrea	oh it's a great feature
15:33		right after we get holidays and overdues fixed.
15:33		:P
15:33		you know, circ.
15:35	drojf	we could make koha use asterisk to dial jcamins' number and ask how far he is with fixing koha search every time something does not work. that might bring him closer to the madhouse though
15:36	jcamins	lol
15:36		Thanks.
15:38	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #814: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 21 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/814/
15:38		* christophe.croullebois: SIGNED-OFF] bug 8382: It is not possible to cancel an order on a filtered page in parcel.pl
15:38		* veron: BUG 7621 [ENH] Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
15:38		* Paul Poulain: Bug 7621 follow-up DBRev number
15:38		* Chris Cormack: Bug 8293 : Fixing POD to match actuality.
15:38	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8382 normal, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl
15:38		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
15:38		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8293 critical, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when clicking on first or last result of each page on OPAC
15:39	jenkins_koha	Starting build #815 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago)
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15:40	mtompset	Greetings, #koha.http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences
15:40		http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences
15:40	eythian	magnuse: I'm attempting to rebase the i10n package work btw
15:40	mtompset	I was wondering... English idiotism? You mean idioms, right?
15:41	jcamins	No, "idiotism" is the right word. If it's not translatable, it's kind of an idiotic thing to put in an international project. :P
15:44	mtompset	So, <insert other language> idiotism is okay? ;)
15:44	jcamins	Nope.
15:44		But non-English text isn't allowed, period.
15:45	mtompset	It doesn't expressly say that.
15:45		It should be obvious, but it can't hurt to be explicit.
15:47	jcamins	I don't think it's a concern... no one has ever been confused.
15:48	eythian	it's all under 'en'
15:48	jcamins	An economy of language is devoutly to be wished.
15:48	magnuse	eythian++
15:50	Oak	heh :-D just read your comment drojf. we can start with the smses now... we can text him everyday with a message 'are we there yet?'. getting text messages having international codes of a dozen countries on his phone might keep him smiling.
15:50	jcamins	Hehe.
15:50	Oak	:)
15:51	jcamins	khall: that's a pretty nifty trick with slips.
15:51	khall	thanks!
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16:04	mtompset	Well, I know I'll missing the meeting in about 2 hours, but I need sleep.
16:04	* mtompset	waves bye.
16:06	eythian	http://blog.sudobits.com/2012/[…]-for-perl-lovers/ <-- I think this should be the new Koha-recommended distro
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16:17	gmcharlt	eythian++
16:20	gaetan_B	bye!
16:22	magnuse	@arewethereyet
16:22	huginn	magnuse: YES!
16:22	magnuse	w00t? next question: where are we :-)
16:22	wajasu	i'm just going to submit a bug and patch for the Reseve.t test since expdate was added to AddReserve at http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fcd965283aa91968e
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16:27	oleonard	speedy.
16:29	magnuse	back in 1,5!
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16:46	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #815: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/815/
16:46		* ruth: Bug 7613: OCLC Connexion web service and desktop client, followup patch
16:46		* colin.campbell: Bug 8514 Restore Patron Name Display Order
16:46		* oleonard: Bug 7784 - Improve clarity of batch modification operations
16:46		* m.de.rooy: Bug 8704 - Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml
16:46		* m.de.rooy: Bug 8706 - Private lists can be accessed by anyone
16:46		* fridolyn.somers: Bug 8261: Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab
16:46	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
16:46	jenkins_koha	* nengard: Bug 8696: Update Export bibs on Tool Menu
16:46		* jcamins: Bug 8550: restore ISSN field to Z39.50 search
16:46	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8514 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Display of patron results changed display order
16:46	jenkins_koha	* jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display
16:46		* jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet)
16:46		* tomascohen: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test
16:46	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7784 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve clarity of batch modification operations
16:46		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8704 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml
16:47		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8706 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Private lists can be accessed by anyone
16:47		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8261 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab
16:47		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8696 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Tools menu says export bibs still
16:47		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic
16:47	jenkins_koha	Starting build #816 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago)
16:47	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , table of contents not printing right if entered right
16:47	* oleonard	salutes jenkins_koha and huginn
16:48	jcamins	@later tell rangi Did Jenkins run out of RAM? Scads of tests failed.
16:48	huginn	jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:48	jcamins	@later tell rangi Never mind, scads of tests failed twice in a row. Probably not a RAM issue.
16:48	huginn	jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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16:52	cait	hi #koha
16:53	rambutan	hi cait
16:54	wajasu	maybe someone can signoff bug 8728  - its  easy.  just run the Reserves.t in master and see it pass
16:54	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve
16:55	jcamins	@later tell rangi I figured it out. updatedatabase.pl didn't get run. I don't know why.
16:55	huginn	jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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17:26	Brooke	0/
17:26	Oak	hello Brooke :)
17:35	* cait	waves
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17:53	* slef	waves at cait
17:53	cait	hi slef
17:53		Brooke asked me to chair the meeting today
17:53	mbalmer	meetings are overrated...
17:53	cait	can you help me get the meetbot sorted? :)
17:53	* mveron	waves to everybody
17:54	oleonard	Thanks cait
17:54	slef	cait: I'll try. after #startmeeting and #topic Introductions I bet it'll come back to you.
17:54	cait	I think so :)
17:54		looking for the agenda, then we can start
17:54	wizzyrea	arg naturally I have a Very Important Meeting That Is Not This One to participate in >.<
17:54		during this time
17:55	* oleonard	has only an hour until he must disappear
17:55	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #816: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/816/
17:55	* mbalmer	senses a strong participation from switzerland...
17:55	cait	5 more minutes on my clock
17:55	* jcamins	will be leaving imminently.
17:55	slef	mbalmer: will you be selling any CDs of confidential data?
17:56	mbalmer	please make price suggestions in privmsg, slef...
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17:58	cait	hi ColinC
17:58	ColinC	hi cait
17:58	cait	59 persons in #koha :)
17:59		ok
17:59		let's start
17:59	ColinC	the more the merrier
17:59	cait	#startmeeting
17:59	wahanui	if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
17:59	huginn	Meeting started Wed Sep  5 17:59:26 2012 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:59		Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
17:59	cait	#topic Introductions
17:59	wahanui	#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
17:59		Topic for #koha is now Introductions
17:59	cait	welcome to today's Koha IRC meeting
17:59		please introduce yourself with #info at the beginning of the line
17:59	slef	#info MJ Ray, software.coop, Setchey, Norfolk, England
18:00	cait	#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
18:00	thd	#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:00	jwagner	#info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
18:00	oleonard	#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
18:00	libsysguy	#info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, Houston Texas
18:00	ColinC	#info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd
18:00	jcamins	#info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC
18:00	bag	#info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
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18:00	wajasu	#info Walter Sullvan
18:00	mveron	#info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz
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18:01	cait	hi paul_p and Viktor - we just started introductions
18:01	mbalmer	#info Marc Balmer, Koha Support Schweiz, www.koha-support.ch
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18:01	paul_p	#info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, France, current Koha Release Manager
18:01	rangi	#info Chris C, Catalyst IT, 3.8.x rmmaint - only here until the kids wake up
18:01	slef	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ember_2012#Agenda
18:01	Viktor	Viktor Sarge, Regional development council of the Halland Region  - Sweden.
18:01	ago43	#info Albert Oller, Bywater, Worcester, MA
18:02	cait	thx slef
18:02	karra	#info Kari Blomster, Hailuoto, Finland.
18:02	cait	Viktor - if you put a #info in front, the meeting logs will get it right :)
18:02		in case anyone wonders - Brooke asked me to take over for today :)
18:02	melia	#info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions, California
18:02	Viktor	cait - Oh, sorry. Thanks!
18:03	cait	ok, going to move on
18:03	Viktor	#info Viktor Sarge, Regional development council of the Halland region, Sweden.
18:03	cait	#topic Announcements
18:03		Topic for #koha is now Announcements
18:03	Oak	#info Arslan Farooq, Pakistan
18:03	cait	do we have announcements to make?
18:03	gbengaadara	#info Olugbenga Adara, Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria
18:03	rambutan	#info Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
18:04	cait	ok, I take there are no announcements? so we canmove on to the next topic
18:04		#topic Update on Roadmap to 3.6
18:04		Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.6
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18:04	cait	word goes to jcamins
18:04	jcamins	#info 3.6.9 is on schedule
18:04	magnuse	#info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
18:05	jcamins	I was planning on announcing 3.6.x's EOL for October 22, but I've been told that we may have a volunteer to take over as RMaint, which would be good.
18:05		And that's that.
18:05	eythian	#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
18:05	cait	jcamins: can you disclose whom we have to encourage?
18:05		:)
18:05		probably not
18:06		any questions to jcamins about 3.6.x?
18:06	jcamins	cait: not yet. I just found out yesterday that this person might consider it.
18:06	druthb	#info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater
18:06	cait	ok, if noone has questions, we canmove to the next topic
18:07		#topic Update on Roadmap to 3.8
18:07		Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.8
18:07	paul_p	about 3.6, should we ask on the ML how many ppl are still running it ?
18:07	cait	rangi: still here?
18:07	wahanui	somebody said here was where I work
18:07	rangi	yep
18:07	jcamins	paul_p: why? Do you care?
18:07	paul_p	so we could see if it's worth the involvement for the RMaint
18:07	rangi	3.8.5 is on schedule, i really want bug 8251 and bug 8246
18:07	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
18:07		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8246 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete
18:08	cait	#info 3.8.5 on schedule
18:08	paul_p	jcamins = if no one is using it, maybe the candidate RMaint will reconsider applying ?
18:08	rangi	hmm not 8246 the one that is linked to 8251 :)
18:08	jcamins	That's his/her decision, I think.
18:08	slef	do we have download stats?
18:08	rangi	in, but they need to pass qa and be pushed to master
18:09	cait	rangi: so we need qa now? or do we still need patches too?
18:09	rangi	qa
18:09	paul_p	rambutan = still no patch on 8246 ?
18:09	rangi	not 8246
18:09	cait	rangi: maybe add the correct bug numbers as #info? I got confused
18:09	rambutan	?
18:09	cait	wrong autocomplete I think :)
18:09	rambutan	yep
18:10	paul_p	oops... 2 "ra-something" ;-)
18:10	cait	paul_p: I think if someone offers to be rmaint he/she probably has an interest in the version to continue
18:10	rangi	#info bug 8251 and bug 8486 are intertwined and i want them fixed for 3.8.5
18:10	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation
18:10	cait	rangi: thx
18:10	paul_p	cait = probably, just suggesting asking on the ML. It's not hard to do and can give us usefull informations !
18:10	cait	ok
18:11		somethng else for 3.8.x?
18:11	rangi	i think it would give information, probably not useful :)
18:11		nope thats it
18:11	cait	ok
18:11		so next topic
18:11		#topic Update on Roadmap to 3.10
18:11		Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.10
18:12	paul_p	my turn then ;-)
18:12	cait	paul_p has the word
18:12	paul_p	well, I had 80 patches to push when I came back from holiday. Most of them are pushed now
18:12	magnuse	paul_p++
18:12	oleonard	paul_p++
18:12	paul_p	There are just a few patches related to authorities that I want to test more before pushing.
18:13		And some that are waiting for feedback i've asked
18:13	Oak	paul_p++
18:13	mveron	paul_p++
18:13	* jcamins	runs off.
18:13	cait	I have a question about feature freeze - is it still 22nd september?
18:13	paul_p	The "signed off" queue is quite large also. I'll try to work on it next week
18:13	cait	and how will you handle it?
18:14	paul_p	cait = yep, I still plan FF for sept 22th
18:14		cait = can you explain your question ?
18:14	cait	#info 3.12 feature freeze will be on 22nd September
18:14		I think in the past we had some confusion about what it means
18:14	rangi	3.10
18:14	paul_p	cait = not 3.12, 3.10 ;-)
18:14	cait	oh
18:15	libsysguy	heh no new features in 3.12
18:15		only bug fixes
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18:15	cait	#info um 3.10 feature freeze will be on 22nd September (last was typo)
18:15		won't you push any new featues, or is it the last day for sign off, or qa...
18:15		I think it would be good to make that very clear and maybe sent a mail on the mailing list
18:16		so people don't complain later
18:16	paul_p	To insure the best stability, I won't push any patch that adds a feature that touches the core of Koha.
18:16	cait	ok
18:16		so it has to be passed qa on that date?
18:17	paul_p	yep.
18:17	cait	#info so any new feature for 3.10 has to be passed qa on that date
18:17	bag	sorry that statement still doesn't make sense to me - but I'm fine with it as is…  Maybe next Kohacon someone can explain feature freeze to me
18:17	paul_p	It means I'll will still add Enhancement, but only those that don't deal with the core of Koha. By core, I mean things like Koha.pm, Auth.pm, Circulation, ...
18:18	cait	paul_p: so you distinguish between enh and new features?
18:18	slef	I think this is sometimes called a light freeze, followed later by a deep freeze.
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18:18	paul_p	Maybe I should write a list of files that should not be modified after the FF
18:18	cait	bag: i am also confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere
18:18	wahanui	okay, cait.
18:19	paul_p	cait = nope, I distinguish between "core" and "non core".
18:19	* slef	looks at wahanui
18:19	libsysguy	so when is the non-core freeze
18:19	cait	even if you don't touch C4 you can break stuff badly
18:19	magnuse	a quick mail to the list explaining the different dates and what they mean would be good, i think :-)
18:19	libsysguy	indeed
18:19	paul_p	For example, the "batch biblio modification" is not core = there's no risk it break something.
18:19	cait	like breaking the javascript in a template file, breaking the xslt, breaking a simpler perl file
18:19		i am not sure that can be dealt with a list of files
18:19	mbalmer	and even if you touch C4, you can fix problems.
18:19	slef	#agreed paul_p to send a quick mail to the list explaining the different dates and what they mean
18:20	* slef	goes to fiddle with the fish
18:20	paul_p	I don't say I won't push anything on Circulation ! I mean I won't push any ENH that touches Circulation ! (for example)
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18:20	* paul_p	feel i'm a little bit unclear...
18:20	drojf	#info Mirko Tietgen, late
18:20	cait	paul_p: hm I think a mail to the list would be great
18:21	paul_p	will try to be more clear on koha-devel.
18:21	cait	cool thx!
18:21	wajasu	for a newbie.  when and how do documentation patches get applied?  to align with the expected things that pass QA.
18:21	cait	paul_p++
18:21	paul_p	maybe I could list ENH that are concerned by the FF, and those that could pass after the FF !
18:21		s/could/should/
18:22		I also plan to write & publish my RM monthly newsletter tomorrow
18:23	magnuse	yay!
18:23	paul_p	Otherwise, things are going well.
18:23	karra	:) sounds great!!
18:23	cait	#info paul_p is going to publish the rm newsletter tomorrow
18:23	Viktor	great
18:23	cait	ok, do we need more discussion on 3.10/rlease cycle?
18:24	paul_p	to finish with the 3.10 topic, I must say I'm very happy to imagine I've only 2.5 months to wait before not being RM anymore. It's an exhausting task, really !
18:24		(which does not mean I'm happy to be. But 1 year is enough !)
18:24	karra	you work so hard, explaining is tough, feel for you
18:24	cait	:)
18:25	karra	:)
18:25	cait	ok, I would suggest moving on then
18:25		#topic KohaCon2013
18:25		Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2013
18:25	paul_p	(it's really a lot of responsibility for a single person)
18:25	* oleonard	reassures potential future RMs that paul_p is exaggerating and that they'll love it
18:25	cait	heh
18:25	thd	paul_p: The exhausting parts of the task really need more delegation.
18:25	paul_p	thd++ !!!
18:25	cait	guess I am too fast as chair today -sorry all
18:26	oleonard	Do we have anyone here who is helping plan KohaCon13?
18:26	Oak	even paul_p will miss it when he's no longer RM. he'll tell us for sure.
18:26	paul_p	oleonard = you haven't seen the pm I've sent to jcamins_away when he applied ;-) I really tried to discourage him, to be sure he was really wanting the job :D
18:26	jwagner	cait, you're doing fine -- it's a nice pace as far as I'm concerned :-)
18:26	magnuse	cait++
18:26	cait	thx
18:26	rangi	no kohacon13 people?
18:27	Oak	@later tell Brooke cait did great at the meeting :)
18:27	huginn	Oak: The operation succeeded.
18:27	thd	paul_p: The code base and contributions will inevitable grow to the point where no mere mortal can sanely undertake the task alone.
18:27	cait	ok, if noone is here we could perhaps make a short note about the meeting that was
18:27	rangi	lets keep on topic please people :)
18:27	Oak	oh sorry
18:27	cait	thd: I think maybe we can put the general discusson ore to the end?
18:27	rangi	i have 2 kids who are gonna climb all over me any minute now
18:27	slef	I think I was at a kohacon13 meeting
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18:27	cait	yes you were
18:27	thd	sorry, missed topic change.
18:27	cait	cn you give a short summary?
18:27	slef	how long ago was that?
18:28		#link http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-22-15.00.html
18:28	cait	ah nice
18:28	bag	it was quick IRC
18:28	cait	I think Nancy said another meting will be called once they got dates and prices for the places
18:29	bag	cait you are correct - that's a decent summary
18:29	slef	#info basically 3-1-3 pattern and they're getting bids from venues before fixing more details. More meetings to follow
18:29	cait	ok
18:29		so warning - going to change the topic :)
18:29	thd	wait
18:29	cait	:)
18:29	karra	:))
18:30	thd	slef: What is 3-1-3?
18:30	oleonard	Three days conference, one day off, three days hackfest
18:30	slef	3 days conference, 1 day social, 3 days hackfest
18:30	cait	it seemed to work well for the last conferences
18:30	slef	but I think it may change if one of the bids is brilliant and requires it to change
18:31	* oleonard	proposes 3-1-14
18:31	* cait	votes for that
18:31	* thd	is now ready for topic change.  Thanks.
18:31	* drojf	proposed someone sponsoring me for that time
18:31	* druthb	proposes founding KohaColony: a place where That's What We Do.
18:31	mbalmer	what is -1- good for?
18:31		it just means spending more money on hotel
18:31	oleonard	Being social, sightseeing, etc.
18:32	cait	getting to know each other and actually see something of the foreign place you are at? :)
18:32	drojf	that's nothing mbalmer would do :P
18:32	thd	and sleeping in case you had lost sleep with all your all night coding.
18:32	Viktor	I did not see the point of 1 until attending Edinburgh and missing out on the social by having to go home.
18:32	slef	Yeah, well, the Edinburgh 1 wasn't as good as the Wellington/Levin 1.
18:33	mveron	...it was raining...
18:33	rangi	i enjoyed riding the bus around edinburgh with my friends
18:33	slef	We tried but nothing quite seemed to come together for that day.
18:33	druthb	The Mumbai 1 was quite fun, too.
18:33	rangi	even in the rain
18:33	mveron	...so we could do some more ad hoc work on Koha
18:33	cait	aw
18:33	paul_p	mbalmer = Edinburgh KohaCon was different than others. On others, we had an organised event. Very interesting & important for socializing.
18:33	mbalmer	sp we should really do 1-7-1
18:33	drojf	rangi: don't forget the sea we almost saw :)
18:33	rangi	heh
18:33	paul_p	mbalmer = that's an option ;-)
18:34	cait	ok :)
18:34	paul_p	but I would prefer 3-1-14 as oleonard suggested ;-)
18:34	mveron	3 - 1- 361 ?
18:34	wahanui	-359
18:34	druthb	1-7-14?
18:34	wahanui	-20
18:34	drojf	maybe i can do 3-1-14 if i fo koha camping
18:34	paul_p	mveron++
18:34	slef	At Wellington/Levin KohaCon, there was a bus to Levin for a civic reception and a powhiri(spelling! and maybe the wrong word!)
18:34	cait	but now we are going off topic - I am going to make you discuss that in miscellaneous
18:34	mbalmer	90-60-90
18:34	wahanui	-60
18:34	cait	even if it's fun
18:34	jwagner	cait++
18:34	cait	topic change warning
18:35		#topic Roles for 3.12
18:35		Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.12
18:35	* slef	ducks and covers from the cait topicbombs
18:35	cait	can someone #link the proposals please?
18:35	oleonard	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.12
18:36	rangi	we still need translation manager, QA manager and chair
18:36	* jwagner	nominates cait for meeting chair!
18:36	cait	i already signed up for 2 roles
18:36	mbalmer	it hits my eye that there is no QA manager, which seems important
18:36	cait	and there are some times that would be pretty hard for me to do
18:36	jwagner	cait, it's called multi-tasking :-)
18:36	* druthb	seconds jwagner's nomination of cait for meeting chair.
18:36	thd	There is a proposal for rotating meeting chair.
18:36	magnuse	lots of *Assistant* QA Managers, though
18:37	libsysguy	heh
18:37	rangi	gotta have people to rotate it too
18:37	mbalmer	me not, sunce cait does not want that role apparently, or am I wrong?
18:37	thd	rangi++
18:37	talljoy	#info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions
18:37	cait	mbalmer: i would do it - but I think there is a word for people with too many roles
18:37	jwagner	talented?
18:37	magnuse	hehe
18:37	druthb	"manic?"
18:37	mveron	:-)
18:38		for talented...
18:38	* paul_p	think he will just promize to dedicate half a day every week to signoff the 5 oldest patches in the "need signoff" queue. But I still hesitate to join as QA-A also
18:38	thd	If you can stretch yourself very thin, that is a talent.
18:38	cait	paul_p: that would still be a very good promise :)
18:38		and not easy, but would be brilliant
18:38	mveron	paul_p++
18:38	mbalmer	if mveron is a bug wrangler, I can always try hard to introduce new bugs...
18:39	* druthb	would like to help out cait with the TM role a bit; recent work on Arabic has sparked her interest.
18:39	drojf	ancient patch signoffer. cool role!
18:39	cait	ah right
18:39		we are also missing a translation manager it seems
18:39	wahanui	okay, cait.
18:39	cait	I haven't heard from fredericd if he wants to continue
18:39	magnuse	paul_p++
18:39	cait	and I am only offering to assist
18:39	rangi	the TM manager needs to run pootle
18:39	cait	yep
18:39	paul_p	cait = we also had another frenchy as TM-assistant, this round
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18:40	* paul_p	don't remember his name...
18:40	cait	Samuel ?
18:40	drojf	i bet pootle runs fine from a raspberry pi inside the bsz headquaters
18:40	paul_p	cait, yep, Samuel, thx
18:40	cait	drojf: heh
18:40		ok
18:40		what can we note down?
18:40	jenkins_koha	Starting build #817 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago)
18:40	cait	# idea: rotate meeting chairs
18:40	rangi	i propose someone sends another mail to the lists
18:40		and not me
18:41	cait	#info idea: rotate meeting chairs
18:41		ok, who can we volunteer for that
18:41	rangi	noting the areas we are missing volunteers
18:41	cait	not me
18:41	drojf	when is voting for the roles supposed to happen? or did i just miss that?
18:41	cait	we have to decide about that today
18:41		and it should happen well before 3.10 release
18:41		drojf: can you send a mail? with the date and missing roles? :)
18:41	drojf	well before… is next time?!
18:41	rangi	next month meeting
18:42		we should make that the voting day maybe
18:42	cait	I agree
18:42	magnuse	+1
18:42	cait	drojf: persuaded?
18:42	druthb	+1
18:42	drojf	+1
18:42	mveron	+1
18:42	paul_p	+1
18:42	oleonard	And if we don't have volunteers for each role we take who we can get later?
18:43	drojf	cait: ok i'll send an email if it has not to be tonight
18:43	rangi	yep
18:43	ColinC	+1
18:43	cait	#action someone (maybe drojf) is going to send a reminder to the list with missing roles and the voting date
18:43		excellent
18:43		ok
18:43		ok, so we are voting on making the next meeting a voting meeting only?
18:43	drojf	i think so
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18:43	slef	+1
18:43	magnuse	+1
18:44	jwagner	+1
18:44	cait	ok, please vote if that's ok for you or not, and I am going to check the time for next meeting
18:44		+1 for me also
18:44	thd	+1
18:44	pikin	ok
18:44	rangi	+1
18:44	drojf	+1
18:44	druthb	+1
18:44	Viktor	+1
18:44	oleonard	+1
18:44	eythian	+1
18:44	karra	+1
18:44	libsysguy	+1
18:44	gbengaadara	+1
18:45	bag	+1
18:45	cait	#agreed next IRC meeting will be voting on roles for 3.12 only
18:45		ok
18:46	pikin	pls i realy need 2 learn about koha
18:46	magnuse	um...
18:46	cait	as we are on 18 now and have had 2 before, I think the time fo the next meeting is 10 UTC+0
18:46	pikin	am a novice
18:46	magnuse	"only" as in that will be the only business at that meeting?
18:46	cait	ah, that was my question, sorry
18:46	mbalmer	pkin, we are in a general meeting
18:46	talljoy	+1
18:46	rangi	pikin, we are in a meeting, please wait until it is finished
18:46	cait	maybe top priority? but it might get long
18:47	jwagner	pikin, give it about half an hour and ask again
18:47	slef	pikin: can you wait a few minutes and someone will help you? If not, I'll open a direct chat.
18:47	cait	maybe better to have another meeting short after to keep it a bit shorter? or only urgent topics?
18:47	rangi	yes it is 10 UTC cait
18:47	oleonard	10/10 at 10?
18:48	rangi	easy
18:48	cait	sounds good to me
18:48	rangi	lets do that
18:48	drojf	i like it
18:48	cait	someone wants to veto?
18:48	magnuse	nope
18:48	pikin	k
18:48	cait	lets have a vote on 10/10 10 UTC
18:48		please
18:48	magnuse	+1
18:48	drojf	+1
18:48	oleonard	+1
18:48	druthb	+1
18:48	gbengaadara	+1
18:48	cait	+1
18:48	karra	+1
18:48	ColinC	+10
18:48	thd	+1
18:48	mveron	+1
18:48	Viktor	+1
18:49	talljoy	+!
18:49		+1
18:49	rangi	+1
18:49	paul_p	+1
18:49	cait	#agreed next IRC meeting will be on 10th october at 10 UTC+0
18:49		ok
18:49		now for only or not - magnuse - should we change that?
18:50	rangi	what?
18:50	cait	if it will be only a vote meeting or other topics too
18:51	rangi	i thought that was what we voted for?
18:51	cait	magnuse had a question about it, only making sure it's ok
18:51	rangi	< cait> ok, please vote if that's ok for you or not, and I am going to check the time for next meeting
18:51	slef	we'll be part way through the freeze won't we? So an update would be good
18:52	rangi	yeah but not during that meeting
18:52		it will be long enough anyway
18:52	pikin	k
18:52	* oleonard	thought we were voting on whether the senior lounge should have a foosball table
18:52	pikin	am confused
18:52	magnuse	ok, i was unsure if i was understanding correctly
18:52	cait	I think we can slip a short update in , but probably will have lots of discussion about proposals and votes
18:53	magnuse	but if i was the only one wondering i'll keep schtumm
18:53	* slef	thought we were voting on next meeting making the decision, not on voting being the only topic. *shrug* Up to the rest of you.
18:53	cait	ok, next on the list of topics is...
18:54	drojf	so everybody voted for something else? it's nice that we agreed for something :)
18:54		agreed on
18:54	thd	slef: At the end of the voting we could vote on including other business :)
18:54	cait	ok, speak up if you disagree with "only" - if not I am moving on :)
18:54	* rangi	has to go
18:54	magnuse	feel free to edit: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_10_October_2012 :-)
18:55	cait	ok, next topic
18:55	thd	I think that voting had at least been understood to be the primary purpose of the next meeting.
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18:55	thd	wait one moment please cait.
18:56	rangi	and that is why ppl dont want to be chair :)
18:56		you cant tell the chair to wait one minute
18:56	* rangi	is really gone now
18:56	thd	Sorry
18:56	slef	what are we waiting for?
18:56	drojf	no idea
18:56	thd	I think it is a problem to absolutely exclude all other business
18:57	cait	I don't think we have to be as strict, but we should strictly deal with voting first
18:57	oleonard	We're human, flexible, and can accommodate necessary changes at the time of the meeting
18:57	cait	and if it's only 2 hours by then... maybe make another date for a meeting sooner than in one month
18:57		but that's only my opinion on this
18:57	drojf	+1 for voting as long as it takes and then other things
18:57		if any
18:57		and if power left
18:57	thd	I think that we can see if there is time to make an announcement or something after the primary voting business of the meeting.
18:58	cait	yes, that's waht I would suggest
18:58		ready to move on now? :)
18:58	mveron	+1
18:58	thd	oleanard++
18:58	cait	#topic Actions from General IRC meeting, 8th August 2012
18:58		I see no open #action items on last meeting's agenda http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-08-02.01.html
18:58		Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC meeting, 8th August 2012
18:58	slef	move on now
18:58	* oleonard	must leave
18:58	cait	so is there any action we should deal with?
18:58	slef	NAFAIK
18:58		pikin joined #koha
18:58	cait	ok, in any case, moving on to next, because any topic will fit there
18:59		#topic Miscellaneous
18:59		Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous
18:59		melia left #koha
18:59	cait	ok :)
18:59		now - what did we miss before? any new topics?
18:59	slef	365-day kohacons I think
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19:00	cait	I think we would have to move into one city altogether for this
19:00		and this doesn't mean I am against it
19:00		not at all
19:00	mveron	Basel?
19:00	cait	or we could rotate...
19:00	mbalmer	Frick?
19:00	drojf	berlin?
19:00	wahanui	berlin is too small :)
19:00	drojf	heh
19:00		bad bot, no cookie
19:01	cait	as we have already decided on a next date - I am going to end the meeting. and then we can talk about this ;)
19:01		so - end meeting warning - someone with another serious topic?
19:01	wajasu	anyone using smsoverdues.pl?  or rss.pl?  cronjobs   they are coded with HTML::Template::Pro.
19:02	pikin	hey guys am a novice in koha,pls i need help,this is my email voachanyafudutsinma.edu.ng
19:02	cait	#endmeeting
19:02		Topic for #koha is now  Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The Next General Meeting is 5 September 18 UTC
19:02	huginn	Meeting ended Wed Sep  5 19:02:07 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:02		Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-05-17.59.html
19:02		Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-09-05-17.59.txt
19:02		Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]05-17.59.log.html
19:02	mveron	cait ++
19:02	cait	wajasu: hm maybe file a bug for it?
19:02	talljoy	cait++
19:02	wajasu	ok
19:02	cait	it seems they didn't get updated with the translation scripts then?
19:02	slef	pikin: what's the problem? Sorry for the delay
19:02	drojf	cait++
19:02	jcamins_away	pikin: if you have a question, now that the meeting is over you may ask it. If you want in-depth support, there are vendors you can hire for support.
19:02	cait	and why is there template code in a pl file? :(
19:02	slef	first question?
19:02	wahanui	"What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
19:02	pikin	just want 2 learn
19:03	jcamins	manual?
19:03	wahanui	i guess manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
19:03	jcamins	^^ that's worth reading through
19:03	slef	livedvd?
19:03		dvd?
19:03		live dvd?
19:03	pikin	k
19:03	* slef	slaps wahanui upside the dead
19:03	talljoy	lol
19:03	cait	lol
19:03		ouch
19:03	pikin	dont hv any
19:03	slef	wahanui: TALK TO ME BABAY!
19:03	wahanui	slef: excuse me?
19:04	paul_p	bye bye everyone. Good day to americans, oceanians and asians. Sweet dreams to africans & europeans ;-)
19:04	eythian	wahanui: don't talk to slef
19:04	wahanui	eythian: huh?
19:04	Viktor	The manual is good for looking up stuff - but do we have any sort of shorter general introduction to Koha?
19:04	slef	wahanui: why?
19:04	wahanui	slef: i don't know
19:04	eythian	paul_p: hey, you missed me in that!
19:04	paul_p	eythian = you're oceanians, isn't it ?
19:04	jcamins	slef?
19:04	wahanui	slef is probably probably busy so please use http://www.software.coop/contact/ if you need him for work
19:04	eythian	paul_p: but it's still night time for me!
19:04	paul_p	eythian = well, oceanian in europe those days ;-)
19:04	mveron	Bonne nuit paul_p
19:05	pikin	how can i get help
19:05	eythian	later paul_p
19:05	jcamins	slef is also but I don't want to say anything bad about him lest he smack me
19:05	wahanui	okay, jcamins.
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19:05	mbalmer	next week will be the BIS Kongress in Konstanz, near Switzerland, with a strong Koha presence
19:05		BIS = Librarians in Switzerland
19:05	eythian	amusingly, they have it in Germany :)
19:05	* paul_p	suggest once again that everyone moves to the same TZ, and will ask UN for that decision. Should be easier than deciding something for Syriah !
19:05	drojf	mbalmer: how many koha libraries do you have in ch?
19:06	pikin	it new in my place Nigeria
19:06	slef	pikin: ask here, see http://koha-community.org/support/
19:06	jcamins	pikin: so far you haven't told us what you need help with.
19:06	mbalmer	drojy, a handful
19:06		drojf, even...
19:06	pikin	an my school is a new unversity
19:06	mveron	drojf: We know about 6 libraries
19:06	slef	wahanui: what is the difference between a duck?
19:06	wahanui	hmmm... the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is the same
19:06	magnuse	have fun #koha!
19:06	pikin	the whle package
19:07	slef	wahanui: download?
19:07	wahanui	wish i knew, slef
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19:07	eythian	no wahanui, the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is both the same.
19:07	wahanui	okay, eythian.
19:07	gbengaadara	Pikin: Projektlink Konsult is having a 3 day training on Koha 3.8 in Ibadan 11th - 13th Sept if you are intrested
19:07	Viktor	pikin From install to using Koha?
19:07	pikin	how to upload data in koha
19:07		ok tnx 4 the infor
19:08	thd	nengard: are you here?
19:08	nengard	yes
19:08	eythian	bye all
19:09	thd	The bug about batch deletions ...
19:09	slef	pikin: it depends what sort of data, but maybe Tools: Stage MARC records for import
19:09	thd	... Do you know something about the number of records required for triggering the bug?
19:09	pikin	yea
19:09		stage MARC records
19:10	mbalmer	please, MARC BALMER records...
19:10	pikin	how to subscribe
19:10	nengard	thd bug number?
19:10	slef	pikin: subscribe to what?
19:10	nengard	thd from the manual "If your file (or list of scanned barcodes) has more than 1000 barcodes, Koha will be unable to present you with a list of the items. "
19:10	pikin	to data
19:11		books etc
19:11	thd	nengard: You reported http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8246 .
19:11	huginn	04Bug 8246: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete
19:11	nengard	right, over 1000
19:12	slef	pikin: I don't understand and now I must go. Maybe others here can help.
19:12	pikin	thanks guys u r nice..
19:12	thd	nengard: Are you stating that the manual is informing the user how to work around the bug/limitation?
19:13	karra	pikin: for a start you could read normal Wikipedia, and Koha has wonderful story form 1990-s.
19:13	pikin	tnx man
19:14	gbengaadara	A library wants fines implemented this way: N5 for the first 10 days then N10 subsequently. Is there a work around to do this in Koha?
19:14	karra	ur welcome, :)
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19:15	cait	gbengaadara: i think currently not - I think someone had an alternative fines script doing that, but it's not in koha
19:15	thd	nengard: Is this strictly a friendly interface functionality issue where the HTML form is not created?
19:16	nengard	well i understand the html form not being created with that many titles, but the option to delete the bibs should still be there
19:16		so it's not  design issue
19:16	thd	nengard: I am confused about your last sentence.
19:17	gbengaadara	cait: Thanks. Any advice on how i can track the script down
19:17	thd	nengard: Are you saying that a low level delete of over 1000 records would work fine but the friendly form would not appear?
19:17	cait	gbengaadara: i think a mail to the mailing list may make it show up perhaps
19:17	nengard	it's not an interface functionality issue like you said - it's a missing feature ? if there are 999 titles you can delete the bibs as well, but if there are 1000+ you can't delete the bib records
19:17	cait	gbengaadara: it was a while ago, not sure who it was and if it will work on current version
19:17	gbengaadara	cait: ok. will try that
19:18	thd	nengard: OK, thanks for the clarification.
19:18		nengard: My experiments have only involved smaller numbers of records and when I delete I usually purge everything.
19:18	nengard	yup
19:20	* thd	does laundry and prays that headache inducing summer weather ends today.
19:20	karra	Hey, listen, Another thing. Are there any opac searchable fields in Serial Item records?
19:21	cait	karra: sorry, I don#t understand it :( can you give a use case?
19:21	karra	Serial collection has, items.
19:21		and they have notes
19:22		But not to search by patrons?
19:22		ok?
19:22		:)
19:22	* drojf	still has not touched serials in koha
19:23	drojf	so no idea from me
19:23	karra	As I have item 2011/22 there http://hailuoto.virtuaalitehda[…]litems=1#holdings
19:24		with a note, but it or likes of it do not get found.
19:24		Can it be worked somehow?
19:24	cait	karra: it depends, if its real items they are searchable ai think or you could make them searchable
19:24		but not the fields from the subscriptions
19:24	karra	ok? but..
19:24		from..
19:25		THis is an item note, yess??
19:26		Further, the selfbrowsing w serials is of no use... :(  --> http://hailuoto.virtuaalitehda[…]=306#shelfbrowser
19:28		So, cait,  they are real items, but can serach find the items notes, its not a big deal, but interests me:))
19:28	cait	I don't know without testing
19:28		but the items information is in th emarc
19:28		so you could index it easily if it was not searchable
19:29	karra	Ok, thanks.
19:29	cait	subscription information is in the database - that wouldn't work so easy
19:30	karra	But all in all, it is easily imaginable that you had a issue of a serial with important articles.
19:30		How do I make a working note of the content, related to the item/issue. (sorry I have not read all the manual yet..):)
19:30	cait	you coudl do analytics records for those articles
19:30		or put them in th enotes
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19:31	karra	hey, im only a librarian.. :D
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19:31	cait	but koha doesn't support that structure right now serial - issue -analytic (article)
19:31		it would have to be serial - analytic
19:31	karra	uuh, ok, i think i see.
19:32	jcamins	cait: one should never create individual bibs for each issue.
19:32	cait	or you could use the notes maybe, but formatting would get a bit messy
19:32	* jcamins	would use analytics.
19:32	cait	jcamins: makes sense to me
19:32	karra	or i should catalouge my valuables... :)
19:33		I mean remarkable issues separately,
19:34	jcamins	karra: no, that's not such a good idea.
19:34	pikin	can i install koha on my corei3 window 7 pc?
19:34	jcamins	pikin: only by installing Linux in a virtual machine.
19:35	pikin	how
19:35	karra	thanks jcamins yeaa, i know, im just helping myself. bc items do not..
19:35	jcamins	I have terrible lag.
19:35		Typing is very slow.
19:35	pikin	sori
19:36	jcamins	karra: if the issues do not have separate titles, you will just end up with a lot of records for the same thing.
19:36		If they have separate titles, treat them as a monographic series, and give each issue a record.
19:36		pikin: I can't explain setting up Koha on a VM for you. It's somewhat complicated, and the work I'm getting paid for comes first.
19:37	pikin	k  i understand tnx.
19:37	mbalmer	get vmware workstation, install debian squeeze, follow the instructions on the koha-community wiki.
19:38		invest an afternoon, I'd say.  and you, pikin, get an Koha up and running
19:38	karra	The real life here is that I have a copy of a cartoon serial w dialect special issue. Just one. And I can not catalogue it as a serial issue for patrons to find.
19:38	jcamins	karra: ohhh. Special issues.
19:38	pikin	tnx man
19:38	* jcamins	thought you meant "regular issue that you consider special."
19:39	karra	Golden!:)
19:39	wajasu	jcamins: is karra trying to categorize valuables issues for circulation purposes?  what about a koha item_type?
19:40	rangi	I think that is a new record, kids fed, dressed, lunches made and on the bus in 46 minutes
19:40	jcamins	karra: in this case, you can do an *issue* analytic and add 773/775s.
19:40	cait	rangi: yay :)
19:41	wajasu	sweet
19:41	karra	jcamins: Oookei, thanks, Ill ask by tech buddy what that means. :) ))
19:41	jcamins	karra: it's a librarian thing.
19:41		It's going to make less sense to a tech. ;)
19:41		You use NORMARC/MARC21, yes?
19:42	karra	marc21
19:42	jcamins	Good.
19:42	rangi	Where is karra from?
19:42	jcamins	NORMARC is crazy.
19:42	karra	scares me to chance issue item type to book
19:42		Finnboy
19:42		Finland.
19:42	mbalmer	MARC is fun, actually….
19:42	drojf	jcamins: is NORMARC very different from MARC21?
19:42	jcamins	drojf: no.
19:42		Almost the same.
19:42	mbalmer	long live ISO 2709… (not)
19:42	drojf	i assumed it wouldn't
19:43		okay
19:43	jcamins	Having it at all is crazy.
19:43	karra	(but why marc, for how long) :)
19:43	drojf	ah. yes
19:43	jcamins	karra: you receive the special issue as usual.
19:43		To record it received.
19:43		Then, you create a new record for your special issue.
19:43	karra	ok.
19:43	mveron	Good night #koha
19:43	jcamins	Give it a 773 referring to the serial record.
19:43		Then add a 775 to the serial record, pointing at the new issue record.
19:44		Basically what you suggested originally, but I objected to because I didn't realize you meant special issue (and not "issue that is special").
19:44	karra	Okei. .. hrm, actually I thought i meant issue that is special.
19:45		:) but im fine here, perfect! to have you with this..
19:45	jcamins	A dialect issue is a "special issue." An issue which happens to have an article by your favorite author is an issue that is special. ;)
19:46	karra	jcamins, thanks, good stuff, but I doubt I lone public librarian shall take on your advice.
19:46		actuqally the issue has a dialect appendix.. :)) bound..
19:46	mbalmer	amazing how many museums also have libraries of a kind...
19:47	jcamins	karra: it's easy. :)
19:48	mbalmer	slowly time to pull out, switzerland is dark...
19:49	jcamins	mbalmer: probably most museums.
19:49	cait	night mbalmer
19:49	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #817: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/817/
19:49	mbalmer	jcamins, yes, it interesting, since I am doing museum stuff, and this might open doors...
19:50	karra	But this is academic question now, since my public library has Donald Duck cartoon extra leaflet moded in local finnish dialects- And I am happy to use IRC for the first time in my life. Thanks for your time.
19:52		We have one Koha museum in Finland, btw,
19:53	mbalmer	I hope to get some jump on the train in .ch….
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20:03	rangi	My stop bbiab
20:03	drojf	mbalmer: will you be doing a general koha talk in konstanz?
20:03	mbalmer	yes, I hope so.
20:03	drojf	nice
20:04	mbalmer	it will have nothing to do with my other involvement in switzerland, I plan to even mention BSZ as a "Koha company"
20:05		(gives potential users a better feeling when they know there are several "companies" that can help them, and that will help koha to gain "market share"; I hope)
20:06	drojf	mbalmer: yes, it seems not that many libraries are as adventurous as we are and just want to do it all themselves ;)
20:07	mbalmer	but then your library can be happy to have someone like you...
20:07	jcamins	drojf: thank goodness! :P
20:08	* mbalmer	pulls out. gn8
20:08	drojf	good night mbalmer
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20:09	libsysguy	anybody have any experience with t-prefixed barcodes
20:09		I am writing the unit tests for C4::Circulation
20:10		and I have no idea what is happening for the t-prefix filter
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20:22	rangi	back
20:22	wizzyrea	wb
20:24	gmcharlt	IE--
20:24		IE--
20:24		IE--
20:24	trea	^^
20:24	jcamins	IE-- # it cannot be said enough
20:24	libsysguy	codebase--
20:24		codebase--
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20:25	libsysguy	documentation++
20:25		unit-tests++
20:25		that is all
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20:26	cait	IE--
20:26		ie--
20:27	drojf	is that still a thing?
20:27		@karma IE
20:27	huginn	drojf: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50.
20:27	drojf	lol
20:28	libsysguy	@karma ie
20:28	huginn	libsysguy: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50.
20:28	libsysguy	i guess case doesn't matter
20:28	drojf	in that case it doesn't
20:32	libsysguy	@karma libsysguy
20:32	huginn	libsysguy: Karma for "libsysguy" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
20:33	libsysguy	@quote random
20:33	huginn	libsysguy: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 01:14 PM, September 01, 2009)
20:33	libsysguy	wow that one is old
20:37	trea	@quote 1
20:37	huginn	trea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:37	jcamins	@quote get 1
20:37	huginn	jcamins: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009)
20:37	trea	heh
20:38	cait	@quote random
20:38	huginn	cait: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012)
20:39	cait	good night #koha
20:39	trea	night cait
20:39	kathryn	hi/bye cait  :)
20:39	cait	have a nice day kathryn :)
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20:39	kathryn	thanks!
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20:57	jcamins	You know what LibreOffice needs?
20:57		vi keybindings
20:57	gmcharlt	jcamins++
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21:14	halcyonCorsair	rangi: jcamins: first cut: (node.json for chef solo) https://gist.github.com/3644826, and cookbook for chef  https://github.com/halcyonCorsair/chef-koha to work with this vagrant (vagrantup.com) box http://files.vagrantup.com/precise64.box
21:14		now... I'm going riding
21:15		takes you all the way up to where you can run the web installer
21:15	rangi	well done!
21:16	jcamins	Cool!
21:16	rangi	enjoy the ride, watch out for stopped cars :P
21:16	wizzyrea	@quote random
21:16	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009)
21:16	* wizzyrea	giggles
21:16	wizzyrea	i forgot about that one
21:19	jcamins	Ooh... I've had almost as many lines on #koha as wizzyrea.
21:19	wizzyrea	:)
21:19		I haven't been very talkative lately
21:20	jcamins	Significantly more words.
21:20	rangi	rerunning stats now
21:41	wizzyrea	@quote random
21:41	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #149: "mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!" (added by druthb at 01:15 AM, August 26, 2011)
21:41	wizzyrea	ooo, on my birthday!
21:41		snizzle!
21:42	rangi	heh
21:43		http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
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21:50	wizzyrea	lol best quote ever.
21:50		kf's quote is pretty priceless too
21:52	* wizzyrea	is going to have to work harder to catch kados.
21:52	rangi	:)
21:52		well its a static target
21:52	wizzyrea	I'LL GET YOU! JUST YOU WAIT.
21:52	rangi	thousands of people all over the world echo that sentiment
21:55	wizzyrea	wow it's taken 1281 days for people to overtake him.
21:55		i mean, probably less.
21:55		but still.
21:55		he was on top for a while.
21:55	rangi	not of me
21:56	wizzyrea	ew
21:56	* wizzyrea	does not want to imagine that
21:56	rangi	kf needs to pass him on 0-5
21:56	wizzyrea	it would be hard for anybody to top you in IRC words though
21:56	rangi	yeah i talk some crap
21:56	* ibeardslee	nods
21:56	wizzyrea	lol
21:57	* wizzyrea	now considers every word typed a step towards the ultimate goal of topping kados in #koha IRC words.
21:57	wizzyrea	I may have to be more verbose.
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22:03	rangi	dangit
22:03		i got caught in the failing tests one
22:03		http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/?
22:03		dropped me down
22:04		not as bad as pauls 2nd user tho
22:04		-16
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22:36	jcamins	What have I done?
22:38		rangi: are you sure about that patch? It doesn't touch XISBN.
22:39		Also, both pass on my system.
22:40		Wait, I already applied all the patches.
22:41		Right, patch fixes Items problem.
22:53	rangi	yes, it does :)
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22:59	idreambooks	hey guys, i have a question about contributing to koha ils
22:59		if a developer wants to make changes to the source code, what is the process?
23:00	jcamins	idreambooks: first, you install Koha.
23:00		idreambooks: then, you file a bug at bugs.koha-community.org
23:01		(you do this whether it is a bug or an enhancement)
23:01		Then, you write your patch, and submit it by sending it to the patches mailing list and attaching it to the bug.
23:02		At that point, someone else has to test it and "sign off" that it works.
23:02		Then it goes through QA.
23:02		Then it gets pushed into Koha.
23:02	rangi	have you used git before?
23:02	jcamins	And you get added to the history file.
23:02		git?
23:02	wahanui	git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git
23:02	jcamins	^^ you should read that either way
23:02	rangi	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines
23:02	jcamins	And that.
23:03		coding guidelines?
23:03	wahanui	coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines
23:03	jcamins	Cool, wahanui knew that one.
23:03	rangi	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow
23:03		and that
23:03	idreambooks	jcamins: thanks. i am from a site called idreambooks.com and we just released an API (idreambooks.com/api). We aggregate professional critic reviews or editorial reviews from sources like nytimes to come up with a rating of high quality. We were wondering whether we could work with you guys to get our ratings incorporated into Koho
23:03		yes, we use github
23:03	jcamins	idreambooks: oh, did Greg Lawson contact you?
23:03	idreambooks	We were contacted by Liz Rea about a month ago
23:03		I just sent her an email too
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23:04	jcamins	Ah, nifty. Greg was talking about your site a few weeks ago.
23:04	rangi	the first thing would be definitely filing an enhancement request at bugs.koha-community.org
23:04	idreambooks	cool...yeah we'd love to work with you guys
23:04	jcamins	Yes, definitely necessary to file the bug.
23:05		Ooh, you have more reviews now.
23:05	idreambooks	yes we are adding more every day
23:06		we want to be the go to place for book reviews like rottentomatoes is for movies
23:07	jcamins	It's a very cool-looking site. :)
23:07	idreambooks	ok...so i'll follow the steps you outlined: install koha, file a bug, write a patch and so on
23:07		thanks!
23:08		what is the difference between koha-community and liblime?
23:08	jcamins	File the bug first.
23:08		koha-community.org is the website for an open source project.
23:08		LibLime is a company that forked the open source project a while ago.
23:08	rangi	liblime forked from the community a while ago, they  run their own project
23:08		what he said :)
23:08	jenkins_koha	Starting build #157 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:08	jcamins	Their project is now closed source.
23:09		Well, one is, one isn't. I think. It's hard to know what exactly they're doing.
23:09	rangi	or at least, sporadically, and not openly developed
23:09		yeah its hard to know
23:09	jcamins	Right.
23:10	idreambooks	hmm...yeah their result shows up first on google and I thought I needed to get in touch with them. It was a bit confusing. Luckily found you guys through wikipedia :)
23:10	jcamins	Unfortunately they own the koha.org domain. Long, unpleasant story.
23:10	rangi	yeah, hopefully that google ranking will change, its improving all the time, the more people who talk about Koha (proper) and link to it etc help
23:10	jcamins	You should put a sample of the API output on your API page.
23:11	idreambooks	jcamins: if you click on the link in the grey box it will show you the output
23:12	jcamins	Oh, so it will. I assumed that "example_key" would lead to a broken link.
23:12	rangi	you know what they say about assume :)
23:12	jcamins	Yes, I know.
23:12	idreambooks	jcamins: hmm...maybe we should give it a separate section just to make it clear
23:13	jcamins	I might be the only one who gets confused.
23:13		Then again, I might not.
23:13		If you already have Javascript that will process that, you could set up a mockup really quickly without modifying any of Koha's source code.
23:15		(it wouldn't be viable as a solution to the "let's integrate Koha and idreambooks.com" issue generally, but a screen capture of cool things you can do is never a bad idea)
23:16		There's a system preference that allows you to add arbitrary Javascript/jQuery to the OPAC, which is how I'd do the mockup.
23:17	idreambooks	hmm...
23:18	rangi	yeah if you had a snippet of jquery that would work with the api to insert pretty stuff into a div or span, we could do a mock up really fast
23:19		http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]?biblionumber=325#
23:20		see the box on the right, with the print/add to cart
23:20		a really simple thing to do would be to link to a review on idreamofbooks there, if there is a way to craft a url to get to a review
23:21		eg if
23:21		http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/259-Yoga-Cures
23:21		was accessible as
23:21		http://idreambooks.com/isbn_number_goes_here
23:21		oh look there is :)
23:21	jcamins	Ooh, I like the readometer thing.
23:22		*that* is what you should be embedding.
23:22	rangi	hmm or not, there is a way to get the xml via the isbn
23:23	idreambooks	yes...http://idreambooks.com/newbook[…]3&key=example_key
23:23	rangi	yep, for the xml
23:23	idreambooks	that will give you the rating, 5 snippets and a bit more info
23:23	rangi	but is there a way to get to the html page
23:23		given just an isbn ?
23:23		im think could add a link in the more searches really easy for a start
23:24		and that the rest, you would want to have a tab down by the holdings for probably
23:24	idreambooks	yeah html via isbn is not present right now. we can add it though
23:25	rangi	cool
23:25	jcamins	rangi: definitely, but you could add the tab with jquery for a mockup.
23:25	rangi	yep
23:25	jcamins	You know what you need? The ability to get a readometer from the XML.
23:26		I don't think I see one.
23:27	idreambooks	hmm...right now there is a way to embed the readometer anywhere through the "Embed Readometer on your site" link
23:27		http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/9-Unbroken
23:27		if you go that page, you will see that link underneath the readometer
23:27		it works like youtube embed url
23:27	jcamins	Yeah, that's what I was looking at.
23:28	rangi	yeah we'd need that as isbn
23:28	idreambooks	but it might be better....yeah
23:28	rangi	so we could do it dynamically ;)
23:28		that would be cool
23:29	idreambooks	we could send the readometer through the xml file too
23:29		all the data in the readometer is being sent through xml file right now
23:30	rangi	so yeah all we need is some jquery to take your xml, and parse it into some nice html
23:30		for a proof of concept
23:30		even if all we had for a start is the rating
23:36	idreambooks	ok...i see what you mean
23:38		so ill go ahead and file the bug
23:38	rangi	excellent
23:39		jcamins: bug 8622 do we need/want that on 3.8.x, i dont think ill be pushing the related ones moving js libs around and the new theme etc, so it probably is safest to leave it for 3.10 eh?
23:39	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken
23:40	jcamins	Agreed.
23:40	rangi	cool
23:47		ok so i have clients wanting to shwo the itemtype from 942, instead of the one from the leader+003+006+007 on the xslt/normal view
23:48		so im wondering wether to change
23:48		DisplayOPACiconsXSLT
23:48		or add a new one
23:48		im leaning to a new one
23:48		opacitemtypeimages
23:49		use marc control fields, use koha biblio itemtype
23:49		something like that
23:49		sound mental?
23:51	* rangi	assumes not and does it anyway
23:53	jcamins	New one.
23:53	wahanui	new one is all open?
23:53	rangi	cool
23:53		bug 8732
23:53	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8732 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add a systempreference to allow users to choose to display an icon based on the marc control fields, or based on the koha biblio level itemtype
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