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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | rangi | mtj++ #writing tests |
| 00:05 | Judit joined #koha | |
| 00:05 | Judit | MORNING |
| 00:05 | sorry | |
| 00:06 | jcamins | EVENING! :D |
| 00:07 | Judit | :D |
| 00:07 | * jcamins | thinks everyone should be that excited about their time of day. |
| 00:07 | Judit | i am |
| 00:10 | jcamins | Okay, what about this compromise for 8523: start out with replicating the existing functionality for non-UNIMARC, with a follow-up patch adding a cron job to generate bidirectional links from unidirectional data. |
| 00:11 | rangi | that works |
| 00:12 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:13 | jcamins | *? |
| 00:14 | rangi | as a compromise |
| 00:14 | libsysguy joined #koha | |
| 00:16 | jcamins | I don't want to do anything too big with this because the feature currently works with UNIMARC, and the larger the change, the more likely it is to break that. |
| 00:17 | rangi | *nod* |
| 00:18 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #147: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/147/ |
| 00:18 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8626: Fix encoding in cart emails for use of quoted-printable | |
| 00:18 | * oleonard: Bug 8596 - Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates | |
| 00:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8626 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Encoding problem with = in cart emails |
| 00:18 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates | |
| 00:19 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #148 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:27 | mtj joined #koha | |
| 00:29 | jcamins | mtj: not quite working there. |
| 00:29 | rangi | hmm nope still reporting old already reported stuff |
| 00:35 | 49! | |
| 00:35 | mtj | meh, im gonna give that birdy a rest ... |
| 00:35 | rangi | probably twitter screwing with their api again |
| 00:36 | they are a great case in point why building a business model on someone elses proprietary platform is a dumb move | |
| 00:36 | mtj | what was the platform? |
| 00:36 | rangi | |
| 00:36 | http://www.nbcnews.com/technol[…]d-you-care-965306 | |
| 00:37 | mtj | aah , i thought you meant twitter build their platform, on another proprietary platform |
| 00:37 | rangi | it's also a case why open api's aren't enough |
| 00:37 | apis too | |
| 00:37 | if its not free software, you are still not in control | |
| 00:40 | http://catalogue.bu.univ-renne[…]ish&searchOn=OPAC | |
| 00:40 | purty! | |
| 00:42 | they really did a lovely job on the css there | |
| 00:44 | jcamins | Nice! |
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| 00:49 | dcook | Morning #koha! |
| 00:50 | rangi | heya dcook |
| 00:50 | hows canada? | |
| 00:50 | jcamins | Welcome back to this side of the Pacific/Atlantic. |
| 00:50 | dcook | Thanks, jcamins :) |
| 00:50 | Hey rangi. Vancouver is certainly growing on me again | |
| 00:51 | How've the past few weeks gone? | |
| 00:51 | rangi | not too bad, busy, but can't complain |
| 00:53 | dcook | That's good to hear. I downloaded about 1200 emails, but it was a reasonable amount of work left in the end. Yay for filters. |
| 00:55 | rangi | :) |
| 01:09 | mtj | wow, rennes is the best koha opac i've ever seen |
| 01:10 | loui | mtj kindly post his OPAC url here. tnx |
| 01:10 | jcamins | loui: it was just posted a half hour ago by rangi. |
| 01:11 | mtj | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-08-30#i_1062517 |
| 01:11 | loui | Sorry wasn't paying attention to previous messages. |
| 01:12 | Thank you mtj. | |
| 01:12 | mtj | loui, and now you know where the logs are :) |
| 01:12 | dcook | Wow, that is a beauty |
| 01:13 | mtj | i like the red person, with a head made of books |
| 01:13 | loui | yeah wow.. nice opac. |
| 01:13 | libsysguy | i like the cover images moved over |
| 01:13 | rangi | yeah they look nice on the left |
| 01:13 | libsysguy | it makes it feel more stream lined |
| 01:13 | rangi | *nod* |
| 01:14 | libsysguy | also the refine your search options are nicely spaced and laid out |
| 01:14 | jcamins | That's why I wanted to sign off on the change from <table> to <div> for results. |
| 01:14 | libsysguy | http://shouldiusetablesforlayout.com/ |
| 01:14 | rangi | *nod* |
| 01:14 | use tables for things that should be tabular, the end | |
| 01:15 | libsysguy | sometimes I cheat and use them for forms :-/ |
| 01:15 | jcamins | lol |
| 01:15 | Good content on that website. | |
| 01:16 | libsysguy | indeed |
| 01:16 | classy | |
| 01:16 | rangi | sometimes you have to .. depending if you have to support horrible old browsers |
| 01:16 | but really for koha, we dont need to | |
| 01:16 | not anymore anyway | |
| 01:17 | libsysguy | sometimes I get a little nostalgic about the good ol' days of IE6 |
| 01:17 | :p | |
| 01:19 | * dcook | twitches |
| 01:20 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #148: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/148/ |
| 01:20 | * maxime.pelletier: Bug 8663 Fix the use of hardcoded date format for the calendar widget of hard due date | |
| 01:20 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8621: Alternative template for cart email | |
| 01:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8663 normal, P3, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Stable , Circulation rules hard due date calendar wrong format |
| 01:20 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8621 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Template for sending out carts not formatting correctly | |
| 01:23 | libsysguy | so I bought Perl Best Practices last week and have rather enjoyed reading it. Does anybody have other reading suggestions? I'm about to start working on a testing suite *hint* *hint* |
| 01:23 | rangi | modern perl |
| 01:23 | wahanui | rumour has it modern perl is a good one too |
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| 01:24 | libsysguy | dang it play store doesn't have it |
| 01:24 | but its $5 on the kindle | |
| 01:24 | jcamins | libsysguy: O'Reilly? |
| 01:25 | libsysguy | http://www.amazon.com/Modern-P[…]words=modern+perl |
| 01:25 | ? | |
| 01:26 | hey I read that head first java book when I was in highschool | |
| 01:26 | I really enjoyed it | |
| 01:26 | jcamins | Oh, Modern Perl isn't an OReilly book. |
| 01:26 | loui | So I need to study perl to be able to modify Koha codes?:( |
| 01:26 | rangi | yes |
| 01:26 | libsysguy | mmhmm |
| 01:27 | to know perl is to know the language of the programming gods | |
| 01:27 | :p | |
| 01:27 | loui | Never used perl before. I just got interested when I tested KOHA.:D |
| 01:27 | jcamins | At least the trickster gods. |
| 01:27 | Koha isn't an acronym, so the only letter you need to capitalize is the 'K.' | |
| 01:27 | loui | Ok its time to understand God. lol |
| 01:27 | rangi | http://xkcd.com/208/ |
| 01:28 | jcamins | lol |
| 01:28 | A favorite. :) | |
| 01:28 | libsysguy | personal favorite |
| 01:29 | ok rangi I bought that book | |
| 01:29 | it better be good :p | |
| 01:29 | rangi | it is |
| 01:29 | jcamins | If only there were a place from which you could borrow books for free. |
| 01:30 | libsysguy | yeah idk where that would be |
| 01:30 | rangi | anything by chromatic is good |
| 01:30 | libsysguy | I couldn't get a library card |
| 01:30 | jcamins | Maybe there could be one in every community. |
| 01:30 | libsysguy | so I think I am out of options |
| 01:30 | jcamins | Or even associated with every school. |
| 01:30 | rangi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C[…]atic_(programmer) |
| 01:30 | jcamins | Naw. |
| 01:30 | That'd be crazy. | |
| 01:31 | rangi | http://www.onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/ |
| 01:31 | i get it from there | |
| 01:31 | libsysguy | if only these places could be not so exclusive |
| 01:31 | rangi | and donate to the other |
| 01:31 | publishes are dicks and i dont want to encourage them :) | |
| 01:31 | libsysguy | agreed |
| 01:32 | loui | I am working in a library with 35 thousand collections with only 2 perl old books.:( |
| 01:32 | libsysguy | well perl is old anyway |
| 01:32 | but not crusty | |
| 01:33 | jcamins | loui: libsysguy lives in a city with at least a half dozen libraries. |
| 01:33 | loui | And these 2 books was never used. heh |
| 01:33 | libsysguy | jcamins don't encourage loui to make fun of me :p |
| 01:33 | loui | libsysguy you are lucky. |
| 01:34 | libsysguy | i recently moved here |
| 01:34 | but I used to work at a library (academic) | |
| 01:34 | it was…enlightening | |
| 01:36 | loui | anyone for perl vs php?;) |
| 01:37 | jcamins | loui: Koha is written in Perl. |
| 01:37 | * jcamins | thinks this is a signal benefit of Perl over PHP. |
| 01:38 | loui | jcamins you are right. I really need to learn Perl. My boss really likes Koha. |
| 01:38 | jcamins | Koha is great. :) |
| 01:40 | loui | Guys any suggestion of Perl IDE for windows? |
| 01:40 | jcamins | loui: vim. I don't think IDEs work well with Perl. |
| 01:40 | (if you prefer, you can use Emacs, or any other text editor, of course) | |
| 01:40 | * libsysguy | recommends emacs |
| 01:41 | jcamins | You're going to need to set up a Linux system to do your development on. |
| 01:41 | libsysguy | don't listen to these guys VI and VIM are evil |
| 01:41 | :p | |
| 01:41 | jcamins | You can use VirtualBox to run a virtual machine with Debian. |
| 01:41 | virtualbox.org | |
| 01:41 | loui | ok tnx guys. |
| 01:41 | libsysguy | I'm just kidding, use whatever you're comfortable with |
| 01:46 | loui the way I started learning Koha was to think up a spall something I wanted to do and then try and do it | |
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| 02:34 | * dcook | glares at staff client search result formatting/punctuation |
| 02:36 | dcook | It appears that series title doesn't appear in the staff client search results, but series volume does...and it appears right after the title and before the author... |
| 02:37 | * dcook | wonders where the best place to put series information would be in the search results |
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| 03:38 | Oak | Ahoy me hearties |
| 03:38 | and crickets | |
| 03:54 | dcook | Allo Oak :) |
| 03:56 | Oak | :) |
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| 04:11 | mtompset | Woo hoo! I found the case that breaks it! |
| 04:14 | dcook | Nice one, mtompset |
| 04:14 | mtompset | I can now move forward with getting my patch processed. |
| 04:15 | dcook | Always a handy thing ;) |
| 04:15 | mtompset | give this a whirl: cataloguing, cataloguing search: 9876543210, check the error logs. |
| 04:16 | dcook | Alas, I don't have much time these days, my good man, or I certainly would |
| 04:16 | * dcook | is at 1.5 days a week while he finishes off his degree. |
| 04:16 | dcook | Much rather be Kohaing than studying, but c'est la vie |
| 04:18 | mtompset | Cool. Don't want to distract you from studying. :) |
| 04:20 | dcook | Well, I am working atm ;). Looking at porting bug 8033 back to 3.2 |
| 04:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , add print receipt option to Koha self-check |
| 04:21 | dcook | Mmm...forgot about the template differences |
| 04:21 | * dcook | facepalm |
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| 04:41 | mtompset | Ah yes. template differences. |
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| 05:18 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak and cait. |
| 05:20 | cait | hello |
| 05:26 | Oak | hello :) |
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| 05:29 | drojf | good morning #koha |
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| 05:53 | cait | good morning Viktor :) |
| 05:53 | mtompset | Greetings, Viktor. |
| 05:55 | Oak: Last night/This morning... I believe it was bag and mtj doing pirate greetings. You're done with the pirate greetings? :) | |
| 05:57 | Oak | nah I did the pirate greeting this morning... then electricity went out, and when it came back, my IRC client auto connected... |
| 05:59 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 05:59 | Okay, I missed it. | |
| 05:59 | Oak | :) |
| 05:59 | mtompset | I guess I'll be walkin' da plank. ;) |
| 05:59 | Oak | and how are you today mtompset ? |
| 05:59 | mtompset | (need to reboot) |
| 06:00 | Oak | is not it morning? |
| 06:00 | mtompset | Tired. A backup failed last night, and I got it redone before going to bed. |
| 06:00 | Oak | ah |
| 06:00 | mtompset | It's 2pm. |
| 06:00 | (in my timezone) | |
| 06:00 | Be back in a bit. | |
| 06:00 | Yes, I typed that, because acronyms suck. :) | |
| 06:00 | Oak | okay :) |
| 06:24 | alex_a | bonjour ! |
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| 06:30 | mtompset | Finally! Got my headphone jack tweaked enough to work. |
| 06:30 | Greetings, #koha. | |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | wahanui | hey, reiveune |
| 06:38 | mtompset | bonjour, reiveune |
| 06:38 | greetings, mbalmer | |
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| 06:38 | marcelr | hi koha |
| 06:39 | mbalmer | good morning. mtompset, all |
| 06:39 | marcelr | hi mbalmer |
| 06:39 | mtompset | Greetings, marcelr |
| 06:40 | marcelr | and mtompset |
| 06:40 | wahanui | mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months! |
| 06:42 | dcook | Quick question for git bz gurus... |
| 06:43 | If I use git bz to apply a patch...and then that patch is re-submitted...would I have to revert that first patch before trying its replacement? | |
| 06:44 | In this scenario, they're not using follow-ups, but...maybe people do actually use follow-ups instead? | |
| 06:44 | mtompset | Sorry, I am not the guru on this. |
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| 06:45 | dcook | Hmm, I suppose if this situation arose...I could do a diff and then make my own local follow-up for my git...hmm |
| 06:45 | Thanks anyways :) | |
| 06:49 | Hmm, looks like bug 8033 has conflicts with 3.8 anyway... | |
| 06:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , add print receipt option to Koha self-check |
| 06:50 | dcook | At least 3.8.0... |
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| 06:59 | dcook | Aha! Applying 8111 first helped resolve the conflict/lack of context |
| 07:03 | marcelr | bug 8111 |
| 07:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout |
| 07:34 | dcook | Blah...looks like there are other things preventing 8033 from working |
| 07:34 | Although there are no warnings...just no content | |
| 07:34 | * dcook | takes a look at Letters.pm and Members.pm |
| 07:38 | * mtompset | cheers on dcook in his coding quest. |
| 07:46 | mtompset | Hmmm... shouldn't the C4::Breeding in 3.8.x have a LOWER version number than the C4::Breeding in master? |
| 07:49 | dcook | I would think so yes |
| 07:49 | And thanks for the cheers, but I'm defeated for the day. I'll have to try again on Monday ;) | |
| 07:50 | mtompset | I don't think my master is broken... but the version is 3.7 something vs. 3.8.x's 3.8 something. |
| 07:51 | dcook | Hmm, mine is the same |
| 07:51 | In hindsight, it might be more complicated | |
| 07:52 | mtompset | Well, I'm going to ignore it.. and just generate a patch up. :) |
| 07:52 | dcook | And perhaps more local than the whole instance? |
| 07:52 | Anyway, I got to jet | |
| 07:52 | Good luck! | |
| 07:52 | mtompset | As far as I can tell, it won't affect my patch. |
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| 08:07 | mtompset | Greetings, eythian. |
| 08:08 | eythian | hallo |
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| 08:28 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 08:29 | eythian | hi kf |
| 08:30 | kf | hi eythian |
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| 08:59 | mtompset | Does anyone know what "rc" means in the output of dpkg -l? |
| 09:01 | eythian | r=remove c=config files still around |
| 09:03 | mtompset | So how do I toast the config files? |
| 09:04 | eythian | apt-get remove --purge |
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| 09:13 | mtompset | Seems I have to get lower "dpkg --purge", but thanks. :) |
| 09:13 | eythian++ | |
| 09:13 | eythian | oh, yeah. If it's already removed I suppose apt-get won't do anything. |
| 09:14 | ibeardslee | things like synaptic seem to be able to track that and completely remove more |
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| 10:30 | mtompset | you don't have synaptic installed on a server, ibeardslee . :) |
| 10:31 | kf_mtg | eythian++ |
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| 11:12 | mtompset | What does an "assignee" have to do for a bug report? |
| 11:12 | jcamins_away | mtompset: write the patch. |
| 11:13 | Generally. | |
| 11:13 | Sometimes a bug report is assigned to the wrong person. | |
| 11:13 | mtompset | Okay... I've done that. I even figured out what to do to test it. |
| 11:14 | bug 8350 | |
| 11:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding |
| 11:17 | jcamins | mtompset: put the test plan on the bug. |
| 11:18 | mtompset | It's in the comments on the bug. |
| 11:18 | not to mention... the description is it. | |
| 11:18 | jcamins | Good. |
| 11:19 | mtompset | I even attached 3.6, 3.8, and master patches. |
| 11:19 | though the 3.8 and master patches are essentially identical. | |
| 11:20 | jcamins | You should only attach separate patches if the patch for master won't apply to the previous branches. |
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| 11:21 | mtompset | well there were line number shifts between 3.6 and 3.8 |
| 11:22 | oh... does it make sense that the C4::Breeding version is smaller in master than 3.8? | |
| 11:23 | jcamins | git will handle line number changes, if the lines in that area are the same. |
| 11:23 | Doesn't matter. | |
| 11:24 | mtompset | okay, so I patch over-killed. |
| 11:25 | jcamins | I will test your patch. |
| 11:26 | mtompset | Thanks, jcamins. |
| 11:26 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 11:27 | I need to prune some branches, I think. | |
| 11:28 | Are all three patches identical? | |
| 11:29 | Yup. | |
| 11:29 | mtompset | 3.6 has line shifts. |
| 11:29 | I've never attempted to apply a patch, so I wasn't sure how that works. | |
| 11:29 | jcamins | All identical. :) |
| 11:30 | mtompset | Identical in content, but they were all done in the systems they are labeled. :P |
| 11:30 | jcamins | Right, you forgot to label 3.6.x. |
| 11:31 | However, it doesn't matter because there should only be one patch. | |
| 11:31 | mtompset | I suppose you could sign one off and obsolete the rest. ;) |
| 11:32 | jcamins | I am doing so. |
| 11:32 | If it works. | |
| 11:32 | mtompset | One bad patch, and I get "if". :P |
| 11:33 | jcamins | Looks good. |
| 11:36 | mtompset | Thanks for testing it, jcamins. |
| 11:40 | jcamins | When writing patch messages, please be sure to A) put a brief -- ~50 character -- description on the first line, B) put an enlarged description manually wrapped at 72 characters starting on the third line, and C) use carriage returns. |
| 11:41 | * jcamins | fixed it for this patch, just for the future. |
| 11:44 | mtompset | (a) Yes, I figured that after the fact, (b) 65 all the way, baby ;), and (c) 1 d0n't L1k3 cR's. ;) |
| 11:44 | jcamins++ | |
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| 11:44 | mtompset | pootle? |
| 11:44 | wahanui | rumour has it pootle is down for me - can someone else check |
| 11:45 | mtompset | wahanui, I wanted a URL. |
| 11:45 | wahanui | mtompset: sorry... |
| 11:45 | jcamins | forget pootle |
| 11:45 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot pootle |
| 11:45 | jcamins | pootle is http://translate.koha-community.org/ |
| 11:46 | mtompset: 65-character wrapping is fine, too. | |
| 11:46 | mtompset | Why is it called pootle? |
| 11:46 | jcamins | That's the software. |
| 11:47 | mtompset | Ah... Well, pootle is down for me too. |
| 11:47 | pootle? | |
| 11:47 | wahanui | i heard pootle was http://translate.koha-community.org/ |
| 11:47 | jcamins | It's up for me. |
| 11:47 | forget pootle | |
| 11:47 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot pootle |
| 11:47 | jcamins | pootle is http://translate.koha-community.org/ |
| 11:47 | I must have misspelled something. | |
| 11:49 | mtompset | No, it came up... I blame my internet. |
| 11:50 | I was just running through my list of 25 bugs from the top. | |
| 11:50 | first two, can't solve. | |
| 11:51 | This pootle thing looked possible. But I noticed kf seems to have touched spanish already. | |
| 11:51 | So I'll have to ask kf later about it. | |
| 11:51 | eythian | anyone can always add more translations |
| 11:52 | mtompset | Yes, but she commented on my bug report. |
| 11:52 | So, I figured maybe she fixed it. | |
| 11:52 | jcamins | Yeah, that wasn't a real bug. |
| 11:52 | mtompset | Well, if you can't install spanish, it is. :P |
| 11:53 | kf_mtg | hm? |
| 11:54 | oh i didn't fix it | |
| 11:54 | someone else seems to have | |
| 11:54 | jcamins | You can install Spanish even with that. |
| 11:54 | kf_mtg | but not for 3.8.2 probably |
| 11:55 | jcamins: I didn't test it - sometimes you can, sometimes the parser gets too confused and dies | |
| 11:55 | jcamins | kf_mtg: oh, I didn't realize those error messages were ever a serious problem- I've seen them many times, and it installs just fine. |
| 11:56 | kf_mtg | yeah, but they can be serious - it depends |
| 11:56 | some are fatal | |
| 11:56 | those probably isn't | |
| 11:56 | since they changed the output of the script it got a bit hard to tell without -v | |
| 11:58 | mtompset | Oh, your name was kf_mtg, I didn't want to disturb you, kf. |
| 11:59 | * kf_mtg | nick kf |
| 11:59 | kf_mtg | it's ok, I am back |
| 11:59 | but quite busy - leaving earlier today and was away for 2 days because of our koha workshop | |
| 11:59 | mtompset | how did the workshop go? |
| 12:01 | kf_mtg | ah, it went well :) |
| 12:01 | eythian | kf_mtg: your nick change didn't work |
| 12:02 | kf | yeah... I always do that |
| 12:09 | mtompset | Aren't irc clients supposed to be smart enough to know what you meant? ;) |
| 12:10 | kf | I hate it when things are trying to be smarter than I am - better leave it like this |
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| 12:25 | mtompset | Actually, the funny thing is... I was looking at the .po file and the second error in my bug report was a result of what seemed like commented out rules. |
| 12:27 | which means there may be a tmpl_process3.pl bug. | |
| 12:27 | But I'll look at that... tomorrow. | |
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| 12:35 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:36 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 12:36 | : | |
| 12:36 | :) | |
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| 12:41 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard. |
| 12:42 | Thanks for the assignment, oleonard. I figured out a test plan for bug 8350, and jcamins was kind enough to sign it off. | |
| 12:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding |
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| 12:44 | oleonard | Glad to hear it mtompset |
| 12:48 | * eythian | notes that "delete reading history" doesn't seem to work. |
| 12:49 | jcamins | eythian: better it do nothing than erase all reading history everywhere. |
| 12:49 | eythian | well, better still it delete the correct history. |
| 12:50 | jcamins | True. |
| 12:51 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone. |
| 12:52 | eythian | later |
| 12:54 | drojf | what will koha do if i import records via "tools" and some have identical barcodes? |
| 12:54 | jcamins | drojf: blank the barcodes, I think. |
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| 12:56 | drojf | oh that would be friendly :) so having blank barcodes would be an option if i know which items are problematic beforehand? |
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| 12:56 | jcamins | No, I don't think it gives you a choice. |
| 12:57 | I haven't tried it, but I think it just blanks the barcodes silently. | |
| 12:57 | oleonard | Okay, meeting time. bbl. |
| 12:57 | drojf | no i mean before i import the data, i could prepare the data with blank barcodes and that would be ok to import? |
| 12:57 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 12:57 | Yes. | |
| 12:57 | But why do you have duplicate barcodes? | |
| 12:59 | drojf | because we did not have barcodes in the old system. so we decided to use call number as barcode for import and then switch to real barcodes when it is imported. now that some call numbers got changed, some are ambigous |
| 12:59 | * jcamins | scratches his head. |
| 12:59 | jcamins | So what are you importing? |
| 12:59 | drojf | what do you mean? |
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| 13:00 | drojf | the plan was to put the call number both into the call number and barcode fields when importing |
| 13:00 | jcamins | Right. |
| 13:00 | So what are the duplicate barcodes? | |
| 13:00 | Wait- why are you doing that? | |
| 13:01 | drojf | sorry for confusing you :) |
| 13:01 | you mean why the copy of call number to the barcode field? | |
| 13:01 | jcamins | Right. |
| 13:02 | drojf | because you need the barcode to check out stuff. it will take some time until everything has a real barcode |
| 13:02 | kf | drojf: I think there is an importoption to deal with duplicate barcodes |
| 13:03 | eythian developed it | |
| 13:03 | but not sure in which version | |
| 13:03 | jcamins | kf: that's for bulkmarcimport. |
| 13:03 | kf | oh, |
| 13:03 | jcamins | I think stage records has always handled it. |
| 13:03 | kf | that happens when you just read back... |
| 13:03 | that's possible | |
| 13:03 | jcamins | drojf: okay, I am with you so far. |
| 13:03 | kf | but I thought it would just not import them at all |
| 13:04 | jcamins | Then we get to the duplicate issue. |
| 13:04 | Why are you expecting duplicates? | |
| 13:04 | kf | we have "overwritten" items in the past where some items had been missing |
| 13:04 | and I think the duplicated didn't get added.. hm. | |
| 13:05 | jcamins | kf: I haven't tried in a long time, but I thought it added them anyway, wreaking havoc upon the poor unsuspecting catalog. Easy enough to test. |
| 13:05 | Once we understand what drojf is doing. :) | |
| 13:05 | kf | jcamins: dealing with crazy data I guess |
| 13:05 | drojf | jcamins: because up until a few weeks ago, all call numbers were distinct, so the copy in the barcode field would have been too. that changed unfortunately, because somebody decided to have the same call number for several items |
| 13:06 | kf: yes | |
| 13:06 | jcamins | drojf: okay. |
| 13:06 | Now I understand. | |
| 13:06 | There is a problem either way the stage import handles it. | |
| 13:07 | If it blanks them, when someone tries to check out the second item that was imported, they'll end up with the wrong book on their record. | |
| 13:07 | eythian | drojf: it's never worth overloading fields like that, someone always changes something that causes problems like this. |
| 13:07 | jcamins | If it doesn't add the item, you won't have an item. |
| 13:07 | Here's what you need to do: | |
| 13:07 | kf | drojf: would leaving them empty be an option? |
| 13:08 | jcamins | Figure out which call numbers are duplicated, and don't fill in the barcode for *any* of the items with those call numbers. |
| 13:08 | Any other option is worse. | |
| 13:08 | drojf | jcamins: okay, i will do that. thanks a lot |
| 13:09 | eythian | ah, bug 6506 |
| 13:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , deleting patron history missing errors |
| 13:09 | drojf | jcamins++ # one day i will find a question you cannot answer ;) |
| 13:10 | eythian | wahanui: woodchuck |
| 13:10 | wahanui | eythian: i'm not following you... |
| 13:10 | eythian | wahanui: woodchuck is how much would could a jcamins chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood |
| 13:10 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 13:10 | eythian | no wahanui, woodchuck is how much wood would a jcamins chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood |
| 13:10 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 13:11 | * eythian | : filling wahanui with useless factoids since 2010 or so |
| 13:18 | * druthb | chucks skittles, not wood. |
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| 13:20 | kf | byeall :) |
| 13:20 | Joubu | hi all |
| 13:21 | jcamins: hi :) For Bug 7992: In fact I think this plugin is not used. "am123" is the name of a BibLibre's customer. | |
| 13:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7992 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , new plugin about Automatic Number incrementing inventory. Prefix management from a authorised values list |
| 13:21 | jcamins | Oh, I thought that was "am" = French for "prefix" and "123" = example number. |
| 13:21 | Joubu | I agree with you, it is not userfriendly to remove an existing plugin. |
| 13:21 | no :) am= Aix Marseille 2 cities | |
| 13:21 | kf | Joubu: I think it is used |
| 13:22 | * jcamins | doesn't know the French word for "prefix." |
| 13:22 | kf | there are more countries using stocknumbers :) |
| 13:22 | Joubu | jcamins: it's "préfixe" :) |
| 13:22 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 13:23 | mbalmer | FOLKS! |
| 13:23 | kf | but I have to leave now :) |
| 13:23 | bye all | |
| 13:23 | mbalmer | do we have a vectorized Koha logo around somewhere? PDF or PS that is. |
| 13:23 | drojf | bye kf |
| 13:23 | jcamins | There's a PS somewhere. |
| 13:23 | Joubu | kf: ok if you think it's in used, we have to keep it. But is not too much to have 3 plugins for stocknumber? |
| 13:23 | kf | Joubu: if they work in different ways... I think it might not be a problem |
| 13:23 | mbalmer | jcamins, do you know where? |
| 13:23 | wahanui | jcamins, is, like, there something identifiably unique about them |
| 13:23 | jcamins | Joubu: they do different things in different ways, so I think it's not a problem. |
| 13:24 | jcamins? | |
| 13:24 | wahanui | i heard jcamins was A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins |
| 13:24 | jcamins | where? |
| 13:24 | Joubu | jcamins: ok but as I said, am123 is not a good name :) |
| 13:24 | * jcamins | has no idea where wahanui got that from. |
| 13:24 | jcamins | mbalmer: I do not. Possibly the wiki. |
| 13:24 | mbalmer | np, tnx anyways |
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| 13:25 | jcamins | I think it makes sense to keep the name as it is now. |
| 13:25 | * eythian | is off to a bbq |
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| 13:25 | jcamins | mtj made it. |
| 13:26 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 13:27 | jcamins | No idea where to find it, though. |
| 13:27 | slef might have a copy. | |
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| 13:27 | Joubu | jcamins: I will propose a new patch |
| 13:28 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 13:28 | tcohen | is there a way we can have suspensions logged the same way fines are? |
| 13:29 | slef | whowhat? |
| 13:30 | ah logos | |
| 13:30 | tcohen | a user is suspended by fines.pl, we'd like to be able to have a way of looking for suspensions on a user for a period of time? |
| 13:30 | jcamins | Right. |
| 13:30 | tcohen: I don't think there is. | |
| 13:30 | tcohen | oh my |
| 13:30 | jcamins | tcohen: there should be, though. |
| 13:30 | tcohen | i'll have to implement it ! |
| 13:30 | slef | there are three around - one on the wiki and two I can send but can't currently upload to the wiki because I'm mobile. |
| 13:30 | tcohen | I had for 3.0.x |
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| 14:18 | WaqarAzeem | Hello! i tried to install the gnome-desktop-environment on squeeze virtual appliance... after reboot got a blank screen. the error log shows: No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section" |
| 14:20 | jcamins | WaqarAzeem: that sounds like an X issue. Unfortunately, I don't know how you would fix it. As an aside, it's generally a better idea not to run a desktop environment on servers. |
| 14:22 | WaqarAzeem | thanks for the reply. yeah that's rigth not to install the UI. but its wired to find this. |
| 14:24 | jcamins | My guess (keeping in mind that I haven't had problems with X since xfree86 was current) is that either A) it's the graphics card driver, or B) the X autoconfig didn't run and you don't have any screens configured. |
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| 14:46 | jcamins | mveron: I heard you don't bake cookies in your dishwasher! |
| 14:50 | mveron | jcamins: No... But it would be a nice idea... :-) |
| 14:51 | * mveron | faces an evening shift for some work that urgently has do be done... |
| 14:52 | rambutan | ah, isn't overtime pay great? |
| 14:53 | mveron | rambutan: Not if you are your own boss :-) |
| 14:54 | rambutan | Well, give yourself a raise! :) |
| 14:54 | mveron | Will do... |
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| 15:06 | Brooke | o/ |
| 15:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:27 | Brooke | hey Owen :) |
| 15:28 | oleonard | Hi |
| 15:28 | wahanui | privet, oleonard |
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| 16:03 | Joubu | bye++ |
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| 16:25 | libsysguy | in accountlines, what is the difference between amount and amountoutstanding? |
| 16:26 | druthb | amount is the original fine amount, and amountoutstanding is how much they owe. |
| 16:31 | libsysguy | thanks druthb |
| 16:31 | druthb | yabetcha. |
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| 16:42 | nengard | hello #koha - at training for a new koha library |
| 16:42 | say hello :) | |
| 16:43 | druthb | Hi there! :) |
| 16:43 | * druthb | waves from eastern Kansas |
| 16:45 | * jcamins | waves from New York City. |
| 16:48 | * oleonard | waves from southeast Ohio |
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| 16:54 | oleonard | Did mbalmer ever find the Koha logo he was looking for? |
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| 16:54 | oleonard | It's in misc/interface_customization |
| 16:57 | @later tell mbalmer You can find the Koha logo in various formats in misc/interface_customization | |
| 16:57 | huginn | oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:00 | * oleonard | falls under the can't-connect-to-git cloud again |
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| 17:32 | gmcharlt | quick poll - what would folks think of having call number searches (under staff and opac advanced search) default to callnum,phr,rt ? |
| 17:33 | i.e., automatically truncated left-anchored phrase searches? | |
| 17:33 | jcamins | +1 |
| 17:37 | gmcharlt | we have achieved unanimity! ;) |
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| 17:39 | * oleonard | enthusiastically votes for whatever is in the majority! |
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| 18:19 | slef | " The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Users. |
| 18:19 | You must confirm your e-mail address before editing pages. Please set and validate your e-mail address through your user preferences. | |
| 18:19 | What the heck, wiki??? | |
| 18:20 | oh | |
| 18:20 | it's logged me out AGAIN | |
| 18:22 | drojf | slef: still on mobile internet? |
| 18:22 | slef | drojf: yep |
| 18:23 | drojf: maybe less than a week to go | |
| 18:23 | drojf | ok that is not too long anymore |
| 18:27 | in the manual, is the example for a matching rule correct? it has tag '001', subfield 'a' set to match control number, but the control fields don't have subfields AFAIK http://manual.koha-community.o[…]cordmatchingrules | |
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| 18:29 | jcamins | drojf: I suspect not. |
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| 18:44 | wajasu | hopes that bug 8378 is signed off so that bug 8607 works with <fine> as well |
| 18:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore |
| 18:44 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , overdue_notices is broken | |
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| 18:49 | * oleonard | encourages wajasu to create an entry on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
| 18:52 | wonders what might be causing this template error: "unexpected end of input at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 128." | |
| 18:53 | jcamins | oleonard: missing an [% END %] |
| 18:54 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 18:55 | oleonard | You're right jcamins, I just hadn't found it yet. |
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| 19:18 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 19:23 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 19:31 | I'm working, why not, on Bug 1917, and thinking about RSS feeds for private lists. A good idea? | |
| 19:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1917 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add RSS Feeds for Lists |
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| 19:32 | oleonard | I've seen some sites offer "private" RSS feeds, which are merely feeds with long obscure URLs |
| 19:33 | Hm, but Koha would still ask that the user be logged in without some rewriting... | |
| 19:39 | drojf | "This sounded like a pretty easy enhancement to develop." … 2008-03-04 |
| 19:39 | oleonard | It is, if you take the time to do it :) |
| 19:39 | drojf | :) |
| 19:40 | * oleonard | plans to be the last man on Earth still using RSS |
| 19:41 | drojf | you have to have dreams in life! |
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| 19:42 | drojf | hi nengard, got a minute? documentation question |
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| 19:42 | oleonard | Oooh burn. |
| 19:43 | slef | heh |
| 19:43 | drojf | well, i tried ;) |
| 19:43 | slef | hang on... is squeeze-dev head and squeeze 3.8.x? |
| 19:43 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 19:43 | drojf | i think so |
| 19:44 | slef | bah, it's late and I was blindly following someone else's notes which said squeeze-dev |
| 19:44 | which I don't want on a production system, do I? | |
| 19:44 | * slef | backs stuff out |
| 19:44 | drojf | the wiki? have done that before |
| 19:45 | slef: no, you don't want that on a production system unless you are very adventurous :) | |
| 19:45 | or your client is | |
| 19:46 | slef | drojf: they're not. Only just persuaded them off 3.0... I think head might be a bit of a shock |
| 19:47 | drojf | you'll never know if you don't try ;) |
| 19:48 | slef | I want a quiet life ;) |
| 19:55 | is it right that there's no tv coverage of the paralympics in the US? | |
| 19:56 | oleonard | http://news.yahoo.com/full-tv-[…]948--finance.html |
| 19:56 | "U.S. audiences must contend with 5 1/2 hours of programming — some of which will air only after the 11-day competition in London has concluded on Sept. 9." | |
| 19:57 | slef | ok, so our presenters exaggerated or I misheard |
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| 19:57 | oleonard | Oh nice, private shelves are no longer private in 3.8.x |
| 19:57 | >:( | |
| 19:58 | slef | oleonard: o_O |
| 20:01 | (ot:paralympics) ah but all except the 60 minutes highlights show a week after the event are on cable. Well that sucks. | |
| 20:03 | oleonard | A "private" list I created in the ByWater demo: http://catalog.bywatersolution[…]elf=29&sortfield= |
| 20:04 | drojf | oleonard: looks very secret to me |
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| 20:12 | slef | ERROR 1044 (42000) at line 4: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' to database 'koha_main' |
| 20:12 | hrmph | |
| 20:12 | that doesn't usually happen | |
| 20:14 | oleonard | git bisect blames Bug 7310 |
| 20:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
| 20:14 | slef | improved, huh? |
| 20:14 | drojf | depends on the perspective i guess |
| 20:15 | jcamins | I have to say- I prefer the Koha installation procedure to the Evergreen installation procedure. |
| 20:15 | oleonard | Are you getting into the Evergreen biz jcamins? |
| 20:16 | jcamins | oleonard: heck no. |
| 20:16 | I just want to install it because I like their QueryParser. | |
| 20:17 | * oleonard | must leave |
| 20:17 | drojf | oleonard: "3 Share private lists with another patron (as described before). Can be turned on/off with a preference." sounds like you should be able to change the behaviour somewhere |
| 20:17 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:18 | drojf | what is it with people running off after i write to them? maybe i should take a bath |
| 20:19 | jcamins | lol |
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| 21:22 | drojf | good night |
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| 21:27 | * cait | waves |
| 21:27 | jcamins | How was the picnic? |
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| 21:35 | cait | picnic? |
| 21:35 | jcamins | Didn't you make cole slaw for a picnic? |
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| 22:44 | mtj | interesting apple/samsung discussion -> http://www.groklaw.net/article[…]20120828225612963 |
| 22:49 | doublefail, both patent and legal systems | |
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