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01:01 | mtj | Shane-S, i think just 'id' at the mo... |
01:01 | is there a link to the kc dashboard, from the website yet? | |
01:02 | … or do i need log a bug for that | |
01:13 | rangi | jsut drop wizzyrea an email |
01:16 | mtj | ok, will do :) |
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01:28 | mtj | done |
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05:07 | mtj | so, what ever happened to bibster? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibster |
05:07 | … apart from its website going offline :/ | |
05:21 | oooh, pandoc -> http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ | |
05:21 | 'If you need to convert files from one markup format into another, pandoc is your swiss-army knife. Pandoc can convert documents in markdown, reStructuredText, textile, HTML, DocBook, or LaTeX to' | |
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05:45 | * magnuse | waves |
05:52 | * cait | waves |
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06:21 | alex_a | bonjour |
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06:26 | marcelr | hello koha |
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06:37 | kf | good morning #koha |
06:43 | mbalmer | kohallo! |
06:43 | marcelr | hi kf & mbalmer |
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06:43 | reiveune | hello |
06:43 | marcelr | hi |
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06:46 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
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07:04 | * Oak | waves |
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07:12 | gaetan_B | hello :) |
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07:13 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
07:14 | @later tell jcamins Please check out bug 8356 for 3.6.x updating. | |
07:14 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
07:17 | mtompset | did anyone else notice the bad instructions on the Koha mailing list? |
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08:01 | mona | Error; your data might not have been saved You need to log in again, your session has timed out |
08:01 | while setting system preferences i am getting this error every second please help | |
08:02 | i am unable to save | |
08:06 | rangi | have you tried logging in again? |
08:07 | mona | yes many times |
08:07 | this error is comming every second | |
08:08 | pls help | |
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08:11 | mona | Error; your data might not have been saved You need to log in again, your session has timed out pls help |
08:14 | rangi | and you have logged out and hten in again right? |
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10:30 | Oak | hope I'm not disturbing the crickets. |
10:31 | how are you kf | |
10:31 | magnuse | |
10:31 | mtompset | |
10:31 | wahanui | i think mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months! |
10:31 | Oak | hello rangi |
10:44 | mtompset | Hey, Oak. |
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10:53 | mtompset | Was I disturbing the crickets? ;) |
10:57 | kf | hi Oak :) |
10:57 | sorry, was at lunch | |
10:58 | mtompset | Hi, kf. |
10:59 | magnuse | Oak |
11:03 | mtompset | magnuse, how are you? |
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11:13 | mbalmer | kf? |
11:13 | wahanui | i think kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
11:19 | kf | yes? |
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11:24 | magnuse | slides? |
11:24 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
11:24 | mtompset | That's got to be an abuse of the bot. |
11:24 | * mtompset | grins. |
11:24 | magnuse | mtompset: not too shabby, thanks |
11:25 | and yourself? | |
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11:50 | shravani | hi i want know how the users will reserve there books |
11:51 | hi i want to know how the users will reserve there books | |
11:51 | mtompset | Sorry for the slow reply, magnuse. I'm well. Today was a holiday, but I still looked at some koha problems. :) |
11:52 | shravani | are u online? |
11:54 | eythian | shravani: they will reserve their books by finding them in the OPAC and reserving them. |
11:54 | shravani | but there is no as such option in opac in koha, i had check |
11:54 | mtompset | Is that what placing a hold is? |
11:54 | eythian | mtompset: yes |
11:55 | mtompset | what version of koha are you using shravani? |
11:55 | shravani | 3.2 |
11:55 | eythian | shravani: the user on the OPAC needs to be logged in, and the option for them to place a hold needs to be enabled in the settings. |
11:55 | Also, 3.2 is really old. | |
11:55 | shravani | hm |
11:56 | oh sorry it not 3.2 its 3.4 | |
11:56 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
11:56 | shravani: 3.4 is still very old. | |
11:56 | shravani | ok |
11:56 | but in this version also hold option is there? | |
11:57 | mtompset | I was looking at the manual for 3.2 |
11:57 | shravani | ok |
11:57 | mtompset | http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/ |
11:57 | I'm not sure the functionality you want is in that version. | |
11:57 | rangi | yes it is |
11:57 | placing holds from the opac has been there since version 1 | |
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11:58 | shravani | ya exactly in this version no option is there for reservation |
11:59 | jcamins | shravani: you will need to allow holds from the OPAC. |
11:59 | shravani | wait then i have to check it once again |
11:59 | jcamins | I'll tell you where to look. |
11:59 | Circulation and fine rules. | |
12:00 | System preferences, in the Circulation and OPAC sections. | |
12:00 | shravani | ok wait |
12:00 | jcamins | Probably other places that I've forgotten. |
12:02 | eythian | There is a surprisingly large number of places that completely stop holds from working. |
12:02 | shravani | oh |
12:03 | iam checking in opac system preferences but i think so its not there | |
12:03 | eythian | did you search for 'hold'? |
12:03 | jcamins | Also, this isn't to do with your problem, but you should think about upgrading to 3.6.x. |
12:04 | Look under the features section. "RequestOnOpac." | |
12:04 | shravani | hey i got it |
12:04 | mtompset | It's better documented in the 3.8.X documentation: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]pacplacehold.html |
12:05 | shravani | its there in opac option only, patrons to place holds on items from the OPAC. |
12:05 | it is allow | |
12:06 | mtompset | shravani: Consider that 3.10 is coming out in November. :) |
12:07 | jcamins | shravani: I promise you there are holds-related configuration options elsewhere. There is an entire section labeled "Holds policy" in Circulation preferences. |
12:08 | And you have to allow holds on the circulation matrix. | |
12:08 | shravani | hey but now only i had started working on this version, 2 months before then i hav to upgraded it again |
12:09 | jcamins | shravani: why did you install 3.4 two months ago? 3.8 was already out. |
12:09 | mtompset | What operating system are you using? |
12:10 | eythian | in fact, 3.4 was put to bed more than two months ago. |
12:10 | shravani | no i installed in january and my work was going on just now i had completed |
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12:10 | eythian | (and that's why I say we need to note versions that are considered completely unsupported. |
12:10 | ) | |
12:10 | mtompset | 3.6 was still out then. |
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12:11 | shravani | no that time 3.4.2 was out |
12:11 | jcamins | Well, if you read through the manual you'll probably be able to figure out things yourself, so you can put off upgrading a bit longer. |
12:11 | mtompset | 3.4.2 came out in July 2011. |
12:12 | http://download.koha-community.org/ | |
12:12 | eythian | January 27 2012 Koha 3.6.3 released releases |
12:12 | mtompset | (not that I am advocating installing tarballs, just saying it was out then) |
12:12 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
12:13 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard |
12:13 | shravani | hm may b i didnt saw upgrade version |
12:14 | jcamins | Good morning, oleonard. |
12:14 | mtompset | Ohhh... look at the way the list is sorted. |
12:15 | 3.4.8 is listed earlier in the list than 3.6.3 | |
12:15 | jcamins | mtompset: it doesn't really matter how it's sorted. |
12:15 | eythian | it really doesn't |
12:16 | I spent ages making a download list work in a normal way, and still people downloaded the wrong versions. | |
12:16 | mtompset | Yes, but if I was tired... I would have grabbed the 3.4.8 over the 3.6.3 |
12:16 | because it was put up 3 minutes later. | |
12:17 | eythian | http://www.kallisti.net.nz/EMusicJ/Download <-- in the end I had to do this: split them up, _and_ put the latest one at the top of the "old versions" list |
12:17 | mtompset | Oh wait... the links at the time should be fine. |
12:17 | at the top... | |
12:17 | jcamins | mtompset: yes. The only wasy people are looking at the list is if they ignored the links at the top telling them to download the current versions. |
12:17 | eythian | jcamins: look at it and you'll see that's easy to do |
12:18 | your eye immediatly jumps to the big list of files | |
12:18 | because you know that's what you're looking for | |
12:18 | Personally, I'd have the latest stuff as links, and then have an "old versions" link that takes you to the big list. | |
12:20 | mtompset | I like that idea... splitting the list off to an "archived" page. |
12:20 | Because if there are 5 lines of text... they'll likely read them before clicking the archive link. | |
12:20 | eythian | Yep. |
12:21 | Also, the one you want people to download in big letters. | |
12:23 | jcamins | eythian: that makes sense, but the instructions all point to koha-latest.tar.gz, so I don't have that much sympathy. |
12:23 | eythian | yeah, that's not really how people work though :) |
12:24 | (I noticed this effect when I caught myself doing exactly the same thing :) | |
12:24 | mtompset | I'm running 3.6.3... I didnt read the top, because I figured it was telling me about 3.8.X |
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12:25 | * jcamins | figures that since no matter what we do, no one will follow the instructions, we might as well not worry about it. |
12:25 | oleonard | People follow the instructions all the time. The instructions they found on a blog post from 2008. |
12:25 | mtompset | I think we should make reasonable steps to encourage correct clicking. |
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12:25 | drojf | hi #koha |
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12:26 | jcamins | oleonard: well, yeah, that's what I meant. Except that blog post also says koha-latest.tar.gz, I think. |
12:26 | mtompset | Not all of them, jcamins. |
12:26 | For example... | |
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12:26 | mtompset | Did you notice the thread in the koha mailing list where some one pointed to their instructions? |
12:27 | And how their instructions were lacking important details found in the INSTALL.{OS} files? | |
12:28 | I know eythian noticed. :) | |
12:28 | jcamins | Yep. |
12:28 | Yeah, I thought about responding today. | |
12:28 | eythian | yeah, I didn't look deeply though, just looked for that specific thing |
12:28 | jcamins | eythian beat me to it, though. |
12:29 | mtompset | Actually, I beat both of you to it, but I didn't reply to the list, just him. |
12:30 | jcamins | You should probably reply to the list, because people will be following those instructions, and setting up zebradaemon. |
12:30 | shravani | hey please dont fight pls first undersatand my problem |
12:30 | mtompset | We're not fighting... "beat you to it" is an idiom that means we replied first. |
12:31 | eythian | That's not fighting. |
12:31 | This is fighting: | |
12:31 | shravani | hm |
12:31 | eythian | jcamins: People don't dislike you because you're hideous. Don't get me wrong, you are fucking hideous, that's just not why people dislike you. |
12:31 | jcamins | shravani: we've been waiting for you to report back. |
12:31 | eythian | http://www.insultgenerator.org/ <-- in other news, handy :) |
12:31 | * mtompset | laughs, "That's so bad it's funny." |
12:32 | kf | that seems to be one of the nicest things there |
12:32 | shravani | i check all settings in my 3.4 version, i allow all hold options |
12:32 | jcamins | eythian: Thou wilt be as valiant as the wrathful dove, or most magnanimous mouse. |
12:32 | eythian | actually, most of those generated insults aren't very good it turns out |
12:32 | * druthb | noticed that, eythian. |
12:32 | mtompset | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]faq.html#holdsfaq |
12:32 | shravani | it came in opac also but not operating |
12:32 | mtompset | I think that may help? |
12:33 | eythian | http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/ <-- I'll stick to this for now |
12:33 | jcamins | shravani: sounds like you didn't set up your circulation rules yet. |
12:33 | mtompset | That's what my link says. ;) |
12:33 | shravani | i setup but some options i forget to do |
12:35 | jcamins | If you read through the link that mtompset just shared, and go through the configuration again, it should fix your problem, I think. |
12:35 | eythian | slides? |
12:35 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
12:36 | mtompset | What is it wither kf, slides, and wahanui? |
12:36 | What is it with kf, slides, and wahanui? | |
12:37 | I couldn't open insultgenerator.org, eythian. :( | |
12:37 | eythian | you're not really missing much |
12:38 | kf | wahanui: slides are also And eythian too. |
12:38 | wahanui | OK, kf. |
12:38 | kf | slides? |
12:38 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
12:38 | kf | slides? |
12:38 | eythian | haha |
12:38 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
12:38 | kf | slides? |
12:38 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
12:38 | kf | slides? |
12:38 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
12:38 | kf | oh bot. |
12:38 | shravani | hm |
12:38 | eythian | literal slides |
12:38 | wahanui | eythian: slides =is= <reply>kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
12:39 | kf | eythian: as you are the bot programmer, I am quite sure you got some unfair advantage here :) |
12:40 | shravani | chal bye nw iam leaving |
12:40 | mtompset | Bye, shravani |
12:40 | shravani | bye |
12:40 | mtompset | jcamins: did you get my tell later? |
12:42 | jcamins | mtompset: I did. |
12:42 | I'll take a look. | |
12:42 | mtompset | Because I noticed it made it into 3.8.x, but not 3.6.x |
12:43 | jcamins | It involved a string change, so I held it for the next version, when fredericd will have an internet connection. |
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13:01 | mtompset | string change? |
13:01 | I added a 'u' into two urls. | |
13:01 | No string changes. | |
13:01 | Unless someone changed the Cataloging string. | |
13:02 | jcamins | mtompset: oh, it said "typo," so I pushed it back. |
13:02 | mtompset | typo in a url. :) |
13:03 | Okay... another case of my ineffective communication. | |
13:04 | jcamins | Doesn't matter too much. It'll go in next month. :) |
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13:05 | mtompset | Just wanted to make sure of that. :) |
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13:32 | tcohen | goood morning Koha! |
13:34 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
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13:39 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen |
13:47 | who is this perkunas at comcast person? | |
13:48 | eythian | I don't know, but I guess comcast is having a bad time |
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14:45 | mtompset | Well, I should call it a night. Bye, #koha. |
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14:57 | Oak | nengard++ |
14:57 | nengard | :) |
14:57 | Oak | :) |
14:59 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
14:59 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010) |
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15:06 | reiveune | bye |
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15:38 | tcohen | is this paul that is writing in the list here? |
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15:40 | tcohen | does anyone know him? |
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16:07 | jcamins | tcohen: he doesn't use IRC. |
16:12 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
16:13 | oleonard | Bye gaetan_B |
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16:30 | Brooke | o/ |
17:00 | tcohen | jcamins, i don't think we can help him |
17:01 | seems a bit reactive to comments | |
17:01 | jcamins | tcohen: I agree. |
17:03 | eythian | Hey guys, 3.6.8 packages are uploading |
17:03 | s/ing/ed/ | |
17:04 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
17:04 | eythian++ | |
17:04 | eythian | @later tell cait finished the opac stuff, just ran through some (really) basic styling options. Going home now. |
17:04 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
17:05 | eythian | @later tell cait I need new headphones, where should I get them from around here? |
17:05 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
17:05 | * eythian | uses huginn as a personal messenger. |
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17:06 | eythian | hi cait |
17:06 | how's that for timing | |
17:06 | druthb | :P |
17:09 | mtj | morning #koha |
17:10 | cait | hi eythian |
17:10 | are you home now too? | |
17:11 | headphones? | |
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17:15 | tcohen | eythian++ |
17:16 | eythian: sennheiser PX100 are what I use | |
17:18 | cait | seems he is gone :) |
17:19 | hm which is a bit unfortunate, becaues the one store would be on his way home | |
17:20 | jcamins | Hehe. |
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18:15 | * magnuse | waves |
18:19 | * cait | waves back |
18:19 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
18:19 | ready for the workshop now? | |
18:20 | slides? | |
18:20 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
18:20 | cait | almost ready yeah |
18:20 | slides are done | |
18:21 | magnuse | yay! |
18:21 | kf++ | |
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18:21 | drojf | good evening #koha |
18:25 | magnuse | @seen kmkale |
18:25 | huginn | magnuse: kmkale was last seen in #koha 14 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 45 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <kmkale> bye all |
18:26 | * magnuse | wanders off |
18:27 | drojf | slides? |
18:27 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell! |
18:27 | drojf | i hope they are written by now ;) |
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18:35 | eythian | hi |
18:35 | wahanui | hi, eythian |
18:35 | cait | drojf: they are, the rest will be improvised |
18:35 | drojf | hey eythian |
18:35 | cait: cool :) | |
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18:51 | * drojf | needs a secretary |
18:57 | cait | drojf: huh? |
18:57 | drojf | cait: wohngeldantrag |
18:57 | cait | drojf: sounds exciting ;) |
18:58 | drojf | yes, very :) |
18:58 | i hate paperwork. you can trick me out of a lot of money just by asking to hand in a million papers | |
18:58 | eventually i will miss some deadline | |
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19:01 | cait | eythian: what's this coming and going? |
19:02 | * druthb | gets the velcro |
19:02 | eythian | the wifi here is a bit crap and seems to cause regular disconnects |
19:02 | cait | ew |
19:02 | eythian | yeah |
19:10 | * mtj | hands eythian a 'sudo apt-get install znc' |
19:10 | eythian | I have znc, but I haven't got it set up for the koha channel because usually I'm using it from work and it doesn't need it :) |
19:11 | mtj | … looks like your situation has changed, somewhat :) |
19:12 | cait | heh |
19:13 | mtj | but yeah, i recently switch to znc from dircproxy … and it just works (for me) |
19:14 | i found dircproxy tricky to setup, and it only tracked *one* irc server :/ | |
19:15 | (znc tracks many irc servers) | |
19:16 | eythian | yeah, I experimented with dircproxy a while ago, and found it wasn't great. |
19:16 | znc is quite nice however. | |
19:17 | mtj | yeah, since i switched to znc - i'm now tracking irc.oftc, irc.perl irc.freenode servers (very happy) |
19:19 | i first attempted that with dircproxy, and gave up… (too complex) :/ | |
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19:21 | * mtj | hopes he has encouraged others on #koha to try znc |
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19:21 | * jcamins | suspects that eythian_ has not done so yet. ;) |
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19:22 | eythian | no, not yet. |
19:23 | I would now, but I also have to get some stuff finished before tomorrow | |
19:26 | * eythian | notes there are errors in the 3.8.4 de-DE translation. |
19:26 | eythian | well, an error |
19:28 | * eythian | needs to write a 'koha-password' script that tells you your password in a safer and nicer way that cat'ting koha-conf |
19:30 | eythian | yay, now I can demo installing Koha in German |
19:31 | (good thing I've done it so many times I know what the words are trying to say) | |
19:35 | cait | eythian: meh. |
19:35 | can you fix it? | |
19:35 | or tell me where, then I will fix it on pootle | |
19:36 | eythian++ :) | |
19:36 | pastebot | "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Warnings from de-DE" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/139 |
19:37 | eythian | cait: ^ |
19:37 | cait | hm. |
19:37 | weird | |
19:37 | eythian | grr, I've been using your silly keyboard all day that now I'm having trouble using mine :) |
19:37 | rangi | Morning |
19:37 | cait | that's the cart again I think |
19:37 | morning rangi :) | |
19:37 | eythian | hiya rangi |
19:37 | cait | eythian: you can give it back if you want :P |
19:37 | eythian | no, it's still better than a laptop keyboard :) |
19:38 | cait | heh |
19:38 | rangi: do I have to send eythian back? | |
19:39 | eythian: oh crap, I think i forgot the usb stick at work | |
19:39 | eythian | oops |
19:39 | rangi | Yes |
19:40 | cait | oops indeed :( |
19:40 | I am not sure if I can get in there now... with the key | |
19:40 | eythian | do you have another copy of stuff? |
19:40 | cait | on the computer at work |
19:40 | eythian | I assume you put it in version control, like a normal person would...:) |
19:41 | Your key should work, you'd need it if you wanted to work later | |
19:41 | *late | |
19:41 | cait | yeah, tha tmight be the problem |
19:41 | that they blocked it for certain times | |
19:42 | and I was done with packing | |
19:42 | hmpf | |
19:42 | eythian | ah |
19:42 | otherwise it might require an even earlier start :/ | |
19:43 | cait | wish me luck... going to rescue my presentations |
19:43 | eythian | g'luck! |
19:43 | rangi | Good luck |
19:43 | jcamins | Morning. |
19:43 | wahanui | i think morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
19:43 | eythian | Evening. |
19:43 | wahanui | i heard evening was better for me - but not too late |
19:43 | * rangi | pushes his to gitorious for that reason |
19:44 | eythian | yeah, I put everything in a bzr repo (the 'bind' command makes sure that I don't forget to push by making it work sort SVN-like) |
19:45 | Oh, I finally got around to refactoring my Catalyst beamer template into its own style, so you add a command and it re-themes everything appropriately. Going to save a lot of messing around in the future. | |
19:45 | rangi | Nice |
19:45 | jcamins | Why bazaar not git? |
19:46 | eythian | jcamins: a) because I already had a bzr repo set up from before I used git, b) I want to make sure that the local copy and the remote copy don't get out of sync and bzr makes that easier than git. |
19:47 | I prefer git's branching model, but I don't tend to branch presentations :) | |
19:48 | jcamins | Ah. |
19:49 | oleonard | Is it worth keeping C4/External/Amazon.pm just for sub get_amazon_tld? Or could that go somewhere else? http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a19c1afaf;hb=HEAD |
19:49 | Re: Bug 8679 | |
19:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Remove usage of Amazon API |
19:50 | rangi | I'd strip the module to only have that |
19:51 | There's not really a better place for it | |
19:51 | oleonard | Okay, that's what I started to do, but it seemed so small and lonely in there. |
19:53 | rangi | :-) |
19:54 | Personally I'd shift it to be a class::accessor and put it in Koha::External | |
19:54 | jcamins | small_and_lonely_and_thoroughly_tested++ |
19:54 | rangi | But then I'd get told off |
19:54 | jcamins | lol |
19:54 | You would, yes. | |
19:57 | eythian | I'd suggest Moose::Heavyweight |
19:57 | jcamins | lol |
19:57 | Moose::Superheavyweight? | |
19:57 | Bug 8583? | |
19:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8583 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from the "Edit biblio record" page |
19:58 | jcamins | Thoughts? |
19:58 | I kind of like this idea. | |
19:58 | I have definitely heard of people accidentally overlaying records. | |
20:00 | oleonard | Maybe change the button label instead? |
20:00 | On the detail page the option is "Replace record via Z39.50" | |
20:01 | jcamins | That makes sense, and eliminates my concern about the extra click. |
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20:03 | eythian | hi kathryn |
20:03 | kathryn | hi eythian :) |
20:04 | cait | hi kathryn |
20:04 | kathryn | hi cait, you and eythian all set for the next couple of days? |
20:05 | eythian | almost :) |
20:06 | cait | yeah almost |
20:06 | and now that I got my data... I can continue preparing | |
20:06 | as soon as I have caught my breath | |
20:06 | kathryn | ooh |
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20:08 | rangi | heh |
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20:16 | eythian | http://paste.koha-community.org/140 <-- can someone who knows about what protocols Koha supports check that this is a) correct, and b) not missing anything for me please? |
20:17 | jcamins | We also support CoiNS, sort of kind of maybe. |
20:18 | eythian | cool |
20:18 | * eythian | adds to list |
20:18 | cait | jcamins: hm and unAPI? |
20:18 | jcamins | Yes, unAPI. |
20:18 | cait | z39.50 both directions |
20:18 | jcamins | CAS? |
20:19 | cait | never used it.... but in theory? |
20:20 | rangi | heh |
20:20 | someones feature is another persons bug | |
20:20 | yeah we do | |
20:20 | CAS works | |
20:20 | well it did 2 years ago when i last tested it | |
20:21 | I assume it still does, lots of french universities use it | |
20:21 | mtj | how about Koha's svc/rest api |
20:22 | … is that the same as the 'unAPI' , or someting else? | |
20:22 | rangi | something else |
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20:22 | eythian_ | CoiNS =~ unAPI? |
20:22 | they sounds like they do similar things anyway | |
20:22 | jcamins | eythian_: nope. |
20:22 | They're actually quite different. | |
20:23 | cait | svc/rest api sounds nice |
20:24 | wish I would know more about the oai-pmh | |
20:24 | * jcamins | agrees. |
20:24 | jcamins | Rest is a wonderful idea. |
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20:25 | eythian | so, CoiNS allows you to include machine readable biblio data in a details page for software to pick out, right? |
20:25 | if so, what does unAPI do? | |
20:25 | * cait | waits for jcamins |
20:26 | gmcharlt | eythian: the same thing |
20:26 | magnuse | eythian: OpenSearch? |
20:26 | jcamins | eythian: it does the same thing, but they're very different standards. |
20:26 | eythian | right, that's what I was failing to ask :) |
20:26 | jcamins | Well, "standards." |
20:28 | cait | lol |
20:28 | is there anything in library world that is not a "standard"? | |
20:28 | brb | |
20:28 | jcamins | lol |
20:28 | No. | |
20:28 | Brooke | z39.50 is really a standard if we're not being sarcy :) |
20:29 | jcamins | That's true, actually. |
20:29 | Possibly the only one. | |
20:30 | eythian | OK, I think I have enough "standards" in my list, and I'll leave the weirdo German ones for cait to explain :) |
20:31 | jcamins | lol |
20:31 | We're working on making GND support beautiful. | |
20:31 | eythian | GND? |
20:32 | jcamins | Gesomethinglongandunpronounceableforamericansnormendata. |
20:33 | Brooke | hehehe |
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20:33 | rangi | isn't that any word longer than 8 letters? :P |
20:33 | cait | Gemeinsame Normdatei |
20:33 | that's not too bad | |
20:33 | and back | |
20:33 | * rangi | dials up the snark |
20:33 | jcamins | rangi: hehe. |
20:34 | Brooke | rangi it doesn't go to 11. |
20:34 | jcamins | Brooke: of course not. It goes to 12. |
20:34 | eythian | Oh, a weirdo German format. I'll leave that for cait to explain :) |
20:34 | Brooke | XD |
20:34 | eythian | It doesn't have to go above 8. |
20:34 | cait | huh? |
20:35 | it's not like maori didn't have some pretty long names for places... | |
20:35 | eythian | tis true, but they're usually shortened to something easier. |
20:35 | cait | gnd is quite short ;) |
20:36 | * Brooke | agrees with Cait. |
20:36 | * eythian | shall make a competing standard and call it +VE |
20:36 | Brooke | Mohegan does the same thing |
20:36 | * cait | sets a second alarm |
20:36 | jcamins | +VE? |
20:36 | eythian | electronics are labeled with +ve and gnd |
20:36 | Brooke | http://thedatahub.org/dataset/[…]einsame-normdatei |
20:37 | liw | Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte |
20:37 | jcamins | Hehehe. |
20:38 | Brooke | those are food words! |
20:38 | * Brooke | speaks food regardless of locale. |
20:38 | jcamins | A glass of chocolate schnitzel with banana cake and... something, please? |
20:38 | * eythian | doesn't want to eat a hauptbahnhof |
20:38 | eythian | I'd be full after the first platform |
20:38 | jcamins | lol |
20:39 | @translate "Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte" to english | |
20:39 | huginn | jcamins: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results. |
20:39 | jcamins | @translate german to english Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte |
20:39 | huginn | jcamins: Error: We broke The Google! |
20:39 | jcamins | @translate german to english "Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte" |
20:39 | huginn | jcamins: Error: We broke The Google! |
20:39 | jcamins | @translate de to en "Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte" |
20:39 | huginn | jcamins: Error: We broke The Google! |
20:39 | Brooke | huginn worse that zola in any language. Alack, alack, alack |
20:39 | huginn | Brooke: downloading the Perl source |
20:41 | cait | you want a translation? :) |
20:41 | a cup of chocolate schnitzel with banana potatos and a main station, please | |
20:41 | jcamins | lol |
20:41 | eythian | oh, I've asked about kartoffeln a few times since I've been here I think |
20:41 | I should know by now | |
20:41 | * jcamins | thinks liw just strung all the German words that came to mind together. |
20:42 | liw | my German teacher would be so disappointed in me |
20:42 | Brooke | heheh |
20:42 | * jcamins | is especially tickled by the chocolate schnitzel. |
20:42 | Brooke | my German professor was never anything _but_ disappointed in me, so yeah. |
20:44 | liw | jcamins, I've used that line a number of times in places like conferences, where I'm the only non-German at a table, and everyone else is speaking German, and I can't keep up -- repeating that a few times induces a switch to English |
20:44 | cait | heh |
20:44 | eythian: vocabulary question: pilze? | |
20:44 | eythian | mushrooms! (or onions, I forget) |
20:45 | cait | lol |
20:45 | I will pretend to not see the parentheses | |
20:45 | or the content of those :) | |
20:46 | Zwiebeln? | |
20:46 | * cait | is trying to teach eythian to read the pizza menu :P |
20:46 | Brooke | cait++ |
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20:47 | cait | oooh |
20:47 | eythian | was I right? my computer just went strange |
20:47 | cait | eythian: Zwiebeln? |
20:47 | the mushrooms were correct :) | |
20:47 | eythian | oh, then that one must be onions :) |
20:47 | cait | yay! |
20:48 | you won the first prize! a 2 day koha workshop in baden württembergs wonderful capital stuttgart! | |
20:48 | Brooke | watch it, it's a trick to get you to classify 640s |
20:48 | eythian | wooo! |
20:48 | * eythian | doesn't really feel like a winner after writing three talks ;) |
20:49 | Brooke | the first brownie is always free, and then you look down sometime later and your leg has been chained to a cataloguing cubicle in the basement. |
20:49 | cait | eythian: it's because you are so good and fast at it :) |
20:49 | rangi | hmmm |
20:49 | cait | I only wrote 2.... and still fuzzing over my workflows thing |
20:49 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_Squeeze#See_also |
20:49 | Brooke | what's upstreaming in german? |
20:49 | rangi | i dont think that is useful at all |
20:49 | cait | context? |
20:50 | Brooke | if you write something good, upstream it :) |
20:50 | cait | upstream. |
20:50 | jcamins | rangi: I can't tell if that's satirical or not. |
20:50 | rangi | im gonna break that link |
20:50 | eythian | rangi: I don't know what that is, but it's all kinds of wrong |
20:51 | rangi | link broken |
20:51 | jcamins | rangi: good plan. |
20:51 | Brooke | AH |
20:51 | anything that redirects back to my guide is a bad idea in general XD | |
20:51 | cait | who is that joe person? |
20:51 | rangi | not that one, the debean one |
20:51 | joe is a text editor cait | |
20:51 | cait | aah thx |
20:52 | so it makes less sense even. | |
20:52 | to me. | |
20:52 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ean_Squeez_Script |
20:52 | there i fixed it | |
20:52 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ntributions/Waqar |
20:53 | rangi | yeah i like the front page one, i can live with that |
20:53 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Main_Page | |
20:53 | the little notey thing | |
20:55 | Brooke | oh that is weird. Anyone check out the EFDSS opac for the ghost behaviour? |
20:55 | * jcamins | did not. |
20:55 | jcamins | The index probably has to be reinitialized. |
20:55 | rangi | oh yeah i replied that |
20:56 | eythian | yeah, I looked at that. My first instinct would be a broken zebra, my second would be dodgy data. |
20:56 | rangi | but i forgot to remove my gpg key |
20:56 | so the mailing list ate it | |
20:56 | eythian | the zebra thing is easiest to fix however. |
20:56 | cait | yum. |
20:56 | eythian | Has there been a plan to move the list to @koha-community.org? |
20:57 | cait | hm aren't the lists all at lists.koha-community.org? |
20:57 | jcamins | I wouldn't want to have a comcast.net e-mail address. |
20:57 | eythian | no, the main one isn't |
20:57 | jcamins | How long has their mail server been out? |
20:57 | eythian | days |
20:58 | Brooke | it's comcastic ;) |
20:59 | eythian | something bombastic |
20:59 | http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/[…]ra-02-634x950.jpg <-- maybe this is their zebra | |
20:59 | cait | eythian: I think I fixed the po file on pootle |
20:59 | eythian | cool |
21:02 | rangi | jcamins: mailman will get sick of them soon and disable them for excessive bounces, unless it comes right |
21:02 | JoeLib001 | I have been looking at the code for /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/z3950_search.pl and ../cataloguing/z3950_search.pl |
21:03 | jcamins | rangi: good. |
21:03 | eythian | rangi: I don't think mailman knows it's happening, as we're getting the bounces |
21:03 | rangi | im pretty sure it does |
21:03 | Brooke | aren't monopolies wonderful? |
21:04 | rangi | but if it doesn't disable it by friday ill do it by hand |
21:04 | JoeLib001 | It seems that bug 8680 could be fixed by replacing lines 151-154 in the acqui file with the lines that were used to patch the cataloguing file in bug 8550. |
21:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8680 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic in the Acquistions Module |
21:04 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic | |
21:04 | jcamins | Why can't you save options with CSS/ |
21:04 | *? | |
21:05 | *hide | |
21:05 | * jcamins | has no idea where "save" came from. |
21:07 | rangi | JoeLib001: quite likely, which means that code should not be in 2 places but in a module that both those scripts use |
21:07 | cait | jcamins: where? |
21:07 | jcamins | cait: advanced search. |
21:07 | eythian | jcamins: you can |
21:07 | I did it today | |
21:07 | jcamins | eythian: ooh, tell me how. |
21:07 | rangi | any time you are tempted to cut and paste from one script to another .. then that's a sign it shouldnt be in both :-) |
21:07 | cait | if it has an id or class you can |
21:07 | jcamins | eythian: I mean an <option> in a select. |
21:07 | Hm. | |
21:07 | eythian | oh |
21:07 | * jcamins | shall poke more. |
21:07 | cait | if it had an id |
21:07 | you could | |
21:07 | JoeLib001 | Hehe. :-) |
21:08 | eythian | hmm, I don't know that CSS allows selectors to get that specific or not |
21:08 | * jcamins | gave it a class. |
21:08 | eythian | also, options are more semantic than most things |
21:08 | JoeLib001 | The scripts are very similar, but the acqui one is more compliacted as it deals with ordering items. |
21:08 | eythian | so I could see CSS not applying to them for things like hiding |
21:09 | but I don't really know | |
21:09 | jcamins | Yeah, I can confirm that it's not working for me. |
21:09 | cait | hm |
21:10 | jcamins: http://de.selfhtml.org/html/re[…]ribute.htm#option | |
21:10 | doesn't look like ids or classes are allowed | |
21:11 | hm | |
21:11 | no it should | |
21:11 | http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_option.asp | |
21:11 | jcamins | cait: according to StackOverflow, I can't change the visibility with CSS. |
21:12 | cait | annoying |
21:12 | jcamins | Very. |
21:12 | Oh well. | |
21:13 | rangi | jcamins: how hard would it be to add itemtypes into the facets (in the current code, not in the better not crud code) .. hours, days? |
21:14 | jcamins | rangi: easy. |
21:14 | rangi | cool |
21:14 | cait | yep |
21:14 | jcamins | Could I sell you on the idea of making facets not suck at the same time? :) |
21:15 | rangi | you could sell me |
21:15 | but probably not the client | |
21:15 | jcamins | Darn. |
21:15 | cait | hm |
21:15 | jcamins | Public good? Tragedy of the commons? |
21:15 | Faster searches? | |
21:15 | eythian | need more rich libraries :) |
21:16 | jcamins | Relevant relevancy? |
21:16 | eythian | why can't Telecom need a library? :) |
21:17 | rangi | its just C4::Koha::getFacets eh? |
21:17 | jcamins | Yup. |
21:17 | cait | and a line in the template |
21:17 | for the label | |
21:17 | includes | |
21:17 | wahanui | includes are broken for GRS-1. |
21:17 | rangi | sweet thanks |
21:18 | * jcamins | is sure that he's the one who said that, but isn't sure what he meant. |
21:19 | eythian | blame the drugs |
21:19 | by which I mean MARC | |
21:20 | cait | eythian: shouldn't we sleep? |
21:20 | eythian | what time is the train again? |
21:20 | ;) | |
21:20 | 10.35 wasn't it? | |
21:20 | plenty of time! | |
21:21 | cait | you play with your life and happiness... |
21:26 | how do we call the little search form for each module? | |
21:26 | the one on top? | |
21:27 | mtj | cait: masthead.inc ? |
21:27 | jcamins | I call it "simple search." |
21:28 | cait | jcamins: hm, yeah maybe :) |
21:28 | mtj: in staff :) | |
21:30 | jcamins | I call both "simple search." |
21:35 | cait | hmm |
21:36 | * eythian | goes to bed, got a long day tomorrow |
21:37 | drojf | i'd be ready for a chocolate schnitzel now |
21:37 | cait | hm |
21:37 | banana potatos | |
21:37 | drojf | i'm out of those |
21:37 | eythian | I still think a whole hauptbahnhof is too much for me |
21:38 | drojf | heh. don't be shy, you can do it |
21:38 | cait | eythian: maybe share with someone? |
21:38 | drojf | you could try a stuttgart21 tomorrow ;) |
21:38 | cait | or ask for a kinderportion |
21:39 | eythian | I guess the nearby one is only 3 platforms... |
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21:43 | cait | ok, night all :) |
21:43 | long day tomorrow | |
21:43 | drojf | cait: when do you start to morrow? |
21:43 | cait left #koha | |
21:43 | drojf | uh that was fast |
21:43 | cait joined #koha | |
21:43 | eythian_ | later |
21:43 | drojf: train at 7.35 | |
21:44 | cait | 11 |
21:44 | drojf | ugh |
21:44 | cait | 2.5 from here to stuttgart |
21:44 | drojf | if the deutsche bahn works ;) |
21:45 | eythian_ | drojf jinxes it |
21:45 | cait | yeah... |
21:45 | drojf | heh. no, i just have my experiences with the german railroad system :( |
21:45 | * drojf | hates deutsche bahn |
21:46 | cait | IT WILL BE FINE: |
21:46 | * cait | does repeat that a lot of times. |
21:46 | drojf | it will :) |
21:46 | cait | don't make me even more nervous :) |
21:46 | drojf | nervous? you got your slides, what could go wrong? |
21:46 | cait | I mean... I used to commute to stuttgart and almost every time I had to give a presentation for one of my courses... someone decided to do something really stupid |
21:47 | hmpf. | |
21:47 | * cait | goes to bed now |
21:47 | drojf | good nightm have fun tomorrow |
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22:05 | mtj | oooh -> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/devscripts |
22:06 | rangi | yep |
22:06 | mtj | - licensecheck: attempt to determine the license of source files |
22:06 | i hadnt seen that one before | |
22:06 | rangi | there are scripts in xt |
22:07 | for checking for missing copyright headers, and wrong fsf addresses too | |
22:11 | we should be checking all those type of things | |
22:13 | also | |
22:13 | this | |
22:13 | http://neilb.org/reviews/dependencies.html | |
22:13 | and | |
22:13 | http://www.modernperlbooks.com[…]k-middleware.html | |
22:14 | and finally | |
22:14 | http://www.modernperlbooks.com[…]dom-and-mech.html | |
22:23 | mtj | rangi++ impressive stuff |
22:27 | rangi | perlbuzz |
22:27 | its well worth following | |
22:28 | mtj | on teh twitter? |
22:29 | rangi | i do rss |
22:29 | http://perlbuzz.com/ | |
22:41 | mtj | woah, 476 files missing copyright, in Koha |
22:41 | $ licensecheck --recursive --copyright ./head 2>&1 |grep -i 'no copyright' |wc -l | |
22:41 | 476 | |
22:43 | interesting too -> http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian | |
22:45 | rangi | yep, there is a bug for that |
22:46 | mtj: i was hoping we could convince some librarians to do some sleuthing for us to get the right copyright headers .. no one showed much interest tho | |
22:46 | i might get the academy kids to play detective instead | |
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23:09 | mtj | woah -> http://archive.org/details/marc_loc_updates |
23:10 | jcamins | That is... what? |
23:10 | mtj | http://archive.org/details/BritishLibraryRdf |
23:10 | f*cked if i know… :p | |
23:11 | im curious enuff for a look, tho :) | |
23:11 | jcamins | Oh, it's just DLC's bibliographic database. |
23:12 | mtj | http://archive.org/details/tho[…]_2007_book_covers |
23:12 | http://archive.org/details/amazon_2007_covers | |
23:12 | an amazon covers archive ?! | |
23:12 | jcamins | Interesting. |
23:12 | wahanui | somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
23:13 | jcamins | I would not have thought their ToS allowed that. |
23:13 | mtj | amazon_2007_covers_0.zip ZIP 23.5 GB |
23:14 | yeah, me too | |
23:14 | hmm, its a 'crawl' too, so prolly not legit from amazon | |
23:15 | <description> Crawl of book covers from amazon.com | |
23:16 | rangi | its not legit to store |
23:16 | let alone crawl | |
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