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| 00:10 | cait-m__ joined #koha | |
| 00:18 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:40 | cait-m__ joined #koha | |
| 00:44 | libsysguy | ala_3v0 it looks like that user doesn't have permissions to do drops |
| 00:59 | jwagner joined #koha | |
| 01:02 | ala_3v0 | how can permissions be granted? |
| 01:04 | jwagner | ala_3v0, do you mean staff user permissions? Create a patron record with a staff category type, then in the patron details display go under More, Set Permissions. |
| 01:08 | libsysguy | jwagner I think ala_3v0 needs database permissions |
| 01:09 | ala_3v0: you need to look here http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/grant.html | |
| 01:10 | jwagner | ah, well, coming into the middle of a discussion :-) Wasn't sure if the meeting was now or an hour from now -- I take it that it's later. |
| 01:10 | cait-m__ joined #koha | |
| 01:10 | libsysguy | haha if its now it sure is quiet |
| 01:11 | jwagner | One can always hope.... |
| 01:11 | libsysguy | brooke isn't here yet so i think its safe to say we're early |
| 01:12 | rangi | yeah its in 48 mins |
| 01:12 | libsysguy | oh well, back to re-writing the calendar I go |
| 01:12 | wajasu | jcamins: i found what prevented AutoCreateAuthorities = generate from working in 3.8.3. The broken environment had 'broader_headings' in the LinkerOptions field. Once I removed that, the record saved. |
| 01:13 | rangi | but im gonna be at an irl meeting then, and im not expecting any of the europeans to make it |
| 01:13 | libsysguy | irl meetings are overrated |
| 01:14 | irc meetings are better | |
| 01:15 | ibeardslee | I think the NZOSS could learn from your irc meetings |
| 01:16 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ugust_2012#Agenda |
| 01:16 | there i added my bit to the agenda | |
| 01:16 | kathryn can probably sub in for me | |
| 01:18 | kathryn | I'm happy to attend rangi (thanks for reminder) |
| 01:24 | rangi | right time to go to the other meeting |
| 01:28 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 01:28 | Brooke | o/ |
| 01:29 | libsysguy | \o |
| 01:31 | Brooke | oh yeah, ain't no high five like an IRC high five cause an IRC high five don't stop! |
| 01:32 | libsysguy | they can |
| 01:32 | o/*\o | |
| 01:32 | bam | |
| 01:32 | Brooke | oh snap! |
| 01:32 | libsysguy++ | |
| 01:33 | libsysguy | hehe you're welcome…feel free to use that |
| 01:33 | Brooke | I think that should be bawlin for thatcamp :D |
| 01:33 | libsysguy | heh |
| 01:33 | Brooke | regular nerding wasn't cutting it this week, so I stepped it up to SuperNerd |
| 01:34 | http://caana2012.thatcamp.org/ | |
| 01:34 | libsysguy | i wish I had that domain name |
| 01:34 | Brooke | is it not the nerdiest? |
| 01:34 | the only possible one up on that would be phatcamp | |
| 01:35 | libsysguy | omg is that taken |
| 01:35 | Brooke | yeah |
| 01:35 | it's just phunny to see WHO took it XD | |
| 01:36 | libsysguy | and its parked on godaddy |
| 01:36 | Brooke | I'm sure slef is a member ;) |
| 01:36 | libsysguy | what a shame |
| 01:36 | Brooke | HA!!!! |
| 01:36 | oh delicious irony! | |
| 01:36 | libsysguy | aww poor slef |
| 01:37 | sometimes I go to koha.com | |
| 01:37 | just to see how the hockey team is doing | |
| 01:40 | cait-m__ joined #koha | |
| 01:46 | brylie joined #koha | |
| 01:56 | Brooke | it's almost peanut butter jelly time ^H^H^H^^H time for the meeting |
| 01:57 | libsysguy | 3 mins and counting |
| 01:58 | * thd | prefers peanut butter without jelly |
| 01:59 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 01:59 | slef | Huh? |
| 01:59 | dcook | Morning #koha |
| 02:00 | slef | libsysguy: what are you saying? |
| 02:01 | Brooke | snap hammah time! |
| 02:01 | libsysguy | slef I have no idea |
| 02:01 | Brooke | #startmeeting |
| 02:01 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 02:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Aug 8 02:01:06 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 02:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 02:01 | Brooke | #topic Introductions |
| 02:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 02:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
| 02:01 | Brooke | Welcome, welcome please introduce yourselves with #info |
| 02:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 02:01 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Miami |
| 02:02 | kathryn | #info |
| 02:02 | libsysguy | #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, Tyler Tx |
| 02:02 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 02:02 | dcook | #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems |
| 02:02 | kathryn | #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 02:04 | mtj | #info mason james - kohaaloha |
| 02:05 | Brooke | okie dokie, Chris is at a different meeting. Magnus is sleeping (as I'd hope most Europeans are doing.) |
| 02:05 | mtj | hi all |
| 02:05 | Brooke | movin' on |
| 02:06 | #topic announcements | |
| 02:06 | Topic for #koha is now announcements | |
| 02:06 | Irma | #info Irma Birchall CALYX Australia |
| 02:06 | Brooke | anyone have any neato nifty keen announcements? |
| 02:08 | #topic Roadmap to 3.6 | |
| 02:08 | slef | not I |
| 02:08 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.6 | |
| 02:09 | libsysguy | maybe next time ;) |
| 02:10 | cait-m__ joined #koha | |
| 02:10 | Brooke | hi cait |
| 02:11 | anyone want to chime in on 3.6? | |
| 02:11 | mtj | i've been 'prettiying' chris' koha-dashboard -> http://dash1.kohaaloha.com/ |
| 02:11 | re: neato, nifty, keen | |
| 02:12 | thd | mtj: That link did not work for me. |
| 02:12 | kathryn | nor me |
| 02:12 | libsysguy | me either…maybe we ddosed it |
| 02:13 | Brooke | I get an it works without the 1 |
| 02:13 | so the test page does XD | |
| 02:13 | so we'll look forward to seeing that soon :D | |
| 02:14 | kathryn | thanks mtj look forward to prettier kittens :) |
| 02:14 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.8 |
| 02:14 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.8 | |
| 02:14 | Brooke | I'm just going to read directly from the agenda |
| 02:14 | Still plan to release 3.8.4 on schedule, I am picking patches that have passed qa, and that fix bugs, directly into 3.8.x. But leaving them set passed QA so paul can push them to master when he gets back. Please continue signing off and doing QA, especially bug fixes. | |
| 02:15 | for those that do not know | |
| 02:15 | since it's so under the radar | |
| 02:15 | Paul is actually French | |
| 02:15 | * libsysguy | gasps |
| 02:15 | Brooke | (and there was another Frenchie just like him at WikiMania, and I had to do my best to not swallow my teeth when he used the same introduction XD) |
| 02:16 | Frenchie national holiday now | |
| 02:16 | slef | So takes a long holiday:-) |
| 02:16 | Brooke | ^ what that guy said |
| 02:16 | #topic Roadmap to 3.10 | |
| 02:16 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.10 | |
| 02:16 | Brooke | #info read the RM notes and agenda for progress on 3.8 and 3.10 |
| 02:16 | slef | and doesn't work from it like us crazy anglos |
| 02:17 | Brooke | #topic KohaCon2013 |
| 02:17 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2013 | |
| 02:17 | Brooke | it's in Reno for folks that weren't here last time |
| 02:18 | libsysguy | are there still casinos in Reno? |
| 02:18 | slef | Anything more known yet? |
| 02:18 | tweetbot` joined #koha | |
| 02:18 | Brooke | I just checked the provisional site, and there's naught up there |
| 02:19 | thd | Yes, and casinos mean cheap air fare, at least from the US. |
| 02:19 | Brooke | and yes as far as I know libsysguy |
| 02:19 | slef | Shall I send them am invite to the next irc meeting? |
| 02:19 | rangi | back |
| 02:19 | Brooke | sure why not |
| 02:19 | it's supper time there | |
| 02:19 | so perhaps eating | |
| 02:19 | rangi | #info chris c - late because of another meeting |
| 02:19 | slef | Next meeting time ok for them? |
| 02:19 | Brooke | yep, read your apology and your agenda note :) |
| 02:19 | slef: not sure | |
| 02:20 | slef | he he I'm slow typing on phone here |
| 02:20 | Brooke | #info watch http://kohacon2013.wordpress.com/venue/ or wherever else the Reno folks decide to update stuff. |
| 02:20 | rangi | actually |
| 02:20 | Brooke | I'm not #linking that |
| 02:20 | rangi | watch |
| 02:20 | Brooke | cause that might not end as their official site |
| 02:21 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/kohacon13/ |
| 02:21 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary | |
| 02:21 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary | |
| 02:21 | Brooke | hooray |
| 02:21 | rangi | #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13-2/ |
| 02:22 | Brooke | sweet! |
| 02:22 | mtj++ | |
| 02:22 | rangi | nice! if you push that mason |
| 02:22 | Brooke | that is totally going in info :P |
| 02:22 | rangi | ill change the logos, and get it running on the actual url |
| 02:22 | Brooke | #info new dashboard |
| 02:22 | #link http://dash.kohaaloha.com/ | |
| 02:22 | rangi | ack |
| 02:23 | mtj: did you want that linked? | |
| 02:23 | mtj | pass, either/or is ok :) |
| 02:23 | thd | Is there an unlink command? |
| 02:24 | ... or merely manual editing of the summary. | |
| 02:24 | mtj | thd: nope -> http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot |
| 02:25 | rangi | if mtj doesnt care thats fine, its just that it wont ever update :) |
| 02:25 | but once he commits the code to git, ill merge and get it running on the server that talks to the live db | |
| 02:25 | Brooke | so things will be prettier soon |
| 02:26 | rangi | just need a little koha logo, and change the background to not be twitter :) but it looks awesome |
| 02:26 | Brooke | #topic Roles for 3.12 |
| 02:26 | Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.12 | |
| 02:26 | Brooke | I'm going to assume this is a let's talk about this a little |
| 02:26 | cause it's the first time in a bit I've seen summat like this | |
| 02:27 | as in "Heads up, 3.12 is a coming!" | |
| 02:27 | rangi | hmm im sure its been on the mailing list |
| 02:27 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx - just joining, sorry I'm late |
| 02:27 | rangi | and yep, in the newsletter |
| 02:27 | http://koha-community.org/koha[…]-july-2012/#roles | |
| 02:28 | its more a, sign up if you want to do something, or else ill just volunteer you anyway | |
| 02:28 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 02:28 | libsysguy | Koha draft |
| 02:28 | Irma | #info sorry I must run ... Cheers all. |
| 02:28 | Brooke | it's just Jared so far, so more thinking, but thinking must turn into doing |
| 02:28 | Irma left #koha | |
| 02:29 | rangi | just one volunteer for RM is fine |
| 02:29 | you have to be a nutjob to want to do it anyway | |
| 02:30 | thd | However, jcamins should have an actual proposal at some point. |
| 02:30 | Brooke | yep, but RM is not the only post |
| 02:30 | rangi | he does |
| 02:30 | Brooke | *hint hint* |
| 02:30 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.12 |
| 02:30 | did you look? | |
| 02:30 | mtj | you definitely speak from experience there, chris |
| 02:30 | rangi | :) |
| 02:30 | slef | Organised is not the only fruit |
| 02:31 | thd | oops, wrong link. |
| 02:31 | mtj | -> http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]posal_for_RM-3.12 |
| 02:31 | slef | Love this predictive text... |
| 02:31 | rangi | its a very very good proposal imho |
| 02:31 | Brooke | Kiwi wavelength, Bru. |
| 02:31 | 0200 is psychic! | |
| 02:32 | thd | It is a fantastic proposal, and much better than his identity page :) |
| 02:33 | rangi | we need a rmmaint for 3.10 and maybe 3.6 |
| 02:33 | Brooke | *cough* meeting chair is vacant *cough* |
| 02:33 | rangi | and we need lots and lots more bug wranglers |
| 02:33 | and meeting chair | |
| 02:33 | and QAM | |
| 02:33 | so spread the word | |
| 02:33 | or mtj will be doing all of them | |
| 02:33 | :) | |
| 02:33 | Brooke | will a kitten in fact die if no one adopts 3.6? |
| 02:34 | thd | Does wahanui volunteer to chair meetings? |
| 02:34 | rangi | nope Brooke |
| 02:34 | Brooke | waha would prolly do a better jorb |
| 02:34 | slef | I didn't want to code that |
| 02:34 | Brooke | anything else about roles for 3.12? |
| 02:35 | rangi | normally you get a year out a stable series, but if someone was really attached to 3.6.x |
| 02:35 | mtj | hay - now about 2 meeting-chairs - for better timezone coverage? |
| 02:35 | rangi | and wanted to continue it for longer than the year, wouldnt hurt |
| 02:35 | mtj: if you can find 2 ... | |
| 02:35 | BobB | Brooke are you serious about stepping down from meeting chair? |
| 02:35 | Brooke | BobB I was serious last time until I was drafted to dictate :P |
| 02:36 | BobB | :) |
| 02:36 | mtj | no-one wants the 4am meeting-char slot :/ |
| 02:36 | Brooke | #topic Miscellaneous |
| 02:36 | Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous | |
| 02:37 | Brooke | random stuff goes here |
| 02:37 | slef | Can't get more random than predictive text |
| 02:38 | Except it types that fine:-) | |
| 02:38 | mtj | i've got some koha+bootstrap stuff that i plan to show-off soon-ish... |
| 02:39 | bootstrap == http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap | |
| 02:39 | thd | We have overlooked rangi's proposal from the previous meeting. |
| 02:39 | rangi | what was that? |
| 02:40 | thd | Using a tool such as gerrit. |
| 02:41 | rangi: You were not present for the previous meeting so there was no real consideration in your absence. | |
| 02:41 | rangi | ahh, that came up at kohacon |
| 02:41 | there wasnt a huge amount of enthusiasm | |
| 02:42 | thd | rangi: Why was enthusiasm lacking? |
| 02:42 | rangi | i think itd be something an RM could propose as part of their proposal in the future perhaps |
| 02:42 | mtj | hmm, at the meeting perhaps not - but most devs are very keen for gerrit? |
| 02:42 | * Brooke | smells a survey waiting to happen. |
| 02:42 | rangi | not at the hackfest nope |
| 02:43 | mtj | wow, thats very surprising to me ?! |
| 02:43 | rangi | i think a survey without people trying it |
| 02:43 | slef | Looked good but up g torm |
| 02:43 | rangi | would promote a lot of uniformed decisiosn, ie people really need to see it in action first |
| 02:43 | what slef said | |
| 02:43 | slef | Maybe a small risk of becoming a popularity contest? |
| 02:44 | Brooke | one would hope that folks wouldn't take a survey they didn't know a drop about, or would be screened out XD |
| 02:44 | slef | Stuck it and see |
| 02:44 | rangi | the RM would have to deal with it on a daily, nay hourly basis, so I really think its their call |
| 02:44 | thd | The issue which confused me is the relation between gerrit and mahara. |
| 02:44 | slef | Brooke |
| 02:44 | rangi | thd: none at all |
| 02:44 | mahara use gerrit | |
| 02:44 | slef | You know that don't always work |
| 02:44 | rangi | its like the relationship between koha and apache |
| 02:45 | thd | Koha does not do much without apache or some other webserver. |
| 02:45 | rangi | their gerrit is nice and open so its an easy one to look at, to see it in action |
| 02:46 | mtj | thd: like the relationship between koha and git? |
| 02:46 | rangi | thd: its a tool that the project uses, like we use tools |
| 02:46 | thats it | |
| 02:46 | mtj | one uses the other.... optionally |
| 02:46 | slef | Yeah agree with rangi |
| 02:46 | kathryn | oh like me and my cake mixer :D |
| 02:47 | slef | Rm call |
| 02:47 | rangi | +1 |
| 02:47 | thd | mahara is a project which happens to use gerrit? |
| 02:47 | rangi | gotta go |
| 02:48 | mtj | thd, yep - you've got it |
| 02:48 | thd | mtj: Thanks for the clarification. I had been trying to find some deeper association which did not exist. |
| 02:49 | Brooke | bingo |
| 02:50 | mtj | i agree with slef and rangi - the RM makes the call for/against gerrit |
| 02:50 | Brooke | movin' on |
| 02:50 | I assume this will resurface if folks want to pursue it between now and next month, but I expect it might die in a back alley | |
| 02:51 | #topic Time of Next Meeting | |
| 02:51 | Topic for #koha is now Time of Next Meeting | |
| 02:51 | mtj | Brooke: i think gerrit has some champions within Koha... |
| 02:51 | Brooke | could be |
| 02:52 | and hopefully they step up and convince the RM to take it on or no | |
| 02:52 | mtj | yep, thats the one :) |
| 02:53 | ok, who is the best here at next-meeting math? | |
| 02:53 | slef or thd usually :) | |
| 02:53 | Brooke | so it's 18 UTC I think |
| 02:54 | unless I'm going the wrong way again | |
| 02:54 | which is quite possible with 3 hours of exercise and this hour of night XD | |
| 02:54 | slef | I van never remember which easy it goes |
| 02:54 | jwagner | next one should be 18 |
| 02:54 | slef | Cool |
| 02:55 | mtj | so, 18 utc, in one month, on sept 8th ? |
| 02:55 | * thd | is uncertain which way the clock is turning. |
| 02:56 | jwagner | Should be Sept 5, if we're sticking to Wednesday |
| 02:56 | Brooke | I've the 8th as a Sat |
| 02:57 | mtj | oops, ok ... sept 5th , 18 UTC it is then :) |
| 02:57 | slef | Cool |
| 02:57 | mtj | cheers #koha |
| 02:57 | Brooke | proposal is 5 Sep 18 UTC |
| 02:58 | +1 if that works | |
| 02:58 | libsysguy | +1 |
| 02:58 | thd | +1 |
| 02:58 | mtj | +1 |
| 02:59 | jwagner | +1 |
| 02:59 | slef | +1 |
| 03:00 | Brooke | clearly your silence is a sign of assent |
| 03:00 | #info next meeting is 5 Sep 18 UTC | |
| 03:00 | #endmeeting | |
| 03:00 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.3 and 3.6.7 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 8 August 2012 at 02:00 UTC+0 | |
| 03:00 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Aug 8 03:00:20 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 03:00 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-08-02.01.html | |
| 03:00 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-08-08-02.01.txt | |
| 03:00 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]08-02.01.log.html | |
| 03:00 | slef | Cool.thanks all |
| 03:02 | Brooke | thanks for coming :) |
| 03:05 | slef | If anyone wants me, I'm in the beachfront poolside bar |
| 03:06 | mtj | are you really in miami? |
| 03:06 | thd | slef: Did you bring your sunblock? |
| 03:06 | slef | No |
| 03:06 | It's Miami beach really | |
| 03:07 | Which I believe is a different city | |
| 03:07 | thd: hell yeah. Factor 50 | |
| 03:07 | dcook | I hope this is not in bad taste, but now that the meeting is over...how does one report bugs/issues that arise from third-party code? (specifically jquery.dataTables.min.js version 1.9.1 displaying "Next" and "Previous" as link text rather than link titles... |
| 03:08 | thd | dcook: Are you identifying a bug in the Koha implementation of JQuery or in JQuery itself? |
| 03:09 | dcook | JQuery itself |
| 03:09 | mtj | http://datatables.net/ |
| 03:09 | dcook | 1.8.1 was fine, but 1.9.1 introduces the issue |
| 03:09 | thd | dcook: You should then report that bug upstream as well as reporting it at bugs.koha-community.org . |
| 03:10 | mtj | http://datatables.net/support |
| 03:10 | thd | slef: Do we have a good way of tracking upstream bugs in Bugzilla? |
| 03:10 | mtj | theres a 1.9.2 now, fyi... |
| 03:11 | slef | thd: no. Link it and pray |
| 03:12 | thd | dcook: Yes add a Koha bug report and link to any upstream bug report. |
| 03:12 | mtj | dcook: fyi bug doesnt exist here ? -> http://datatables.net/ |
| 03:12 | slef | Bye:-) |
| 03:13 | dcook | Thanks, thd |
| 03:13 | Not quite following you, mtj | |
| 03:13 | mtj | look at that page... does the bug exist on that page? |
| 03:13 | thd | dcook: mtj is suggesting that the bug does not seem to be present upstream currently. |
| 03:14 | mtj | page is using -> Version: 1.9.2 |
| 03:14 | dcook: try upgrading to 1.9.2 ? | |
| 03:16 | dcook: and if the fix works... log a bug, send a patch ;) | |
| 03:18 | thd | dcook: I think that mtj has found the best solution. |
| 03:18 | dcook | Agreed |
| 03:19 | thd | Good night #koha. |
| 03:19 | dcook | night, thd |
| 03:21 | Still not sure what you were referring to before mtj, but I'll take a look.. | |
| 03:22 | mtj | sheesh, theres a table on that url |
| 03:22 | .. that looks correct, as far as i can see | |
| 03:22 | .. using jquery.dataTables.min.js version 1.9.2 | |
| 03:23 | yes? | |
| 03:23 | Brooke | later! |
| 03:23 | mtj | the table on this url -> http://datatables.net/ |
| 03:24 | dcook | Mmm, I see what you're saying |
| 03:24 | I thought that you were saying that there was a list of existing bugs somewhere | |
| 03:24 | mtj | nope, the table, on the page |
| 03:24 | dcook | Got you now :p |
| 03:24 | mtj | it looks correct? yes? |
| 03:24 | dcook | Mmm, no |
| 03:25 | Which makes me think that perhaps it does have to do with the implementation | |
| 03:25 | I've only ever written JS from scratch or linked to a file | |
| 03:25 | But when I download 1.9.2, it looks like it needs to build the file. | |
| 03:25 | In either case, it's really too much of a bother right now for a trivial issue | |
| 03:26 | mtj | pass, i dont understand your bug yet...but that example table looks fine to me |
| 03:26 | on this page -> http://datatables.net/ | |
| 03:27 | so if you have another bug in your koha - its probably a koha bug, not a data-tables bug | |
| 03:27 | dcook | It's because it displays the buttons differently |
| 03:27 | I'm wondering if it's a configuration issue of somekind | |
| 03:27 | On http://datatables.net, the Previous/Next buttons are just text | |
| 03:27 | In Koha, we use images | |
| 03:28 | But text is being shown over top of those images | |
| 03:28 | Take a look at /cgi-bin/koha/circ/pendingreserves.pl | |
| 03:28 | In at least 3.8.0 | |
| 03:29 | mtj | sounds like an obvious css styling bug |
| 03:29 | dcook | In 3.8.0, "Previous" and "None" were titles for the links |
| 03:29 | mtj | sounds like an obvious css styling bug, in koha |
| 03:29 | dcook | But in 3.9.x, the titles for the links are gone, and "Previous" and "None" are shown as link text |
| 03:29 | thd | I have just noted that wiki.koha-community.org is down. |
| 03:30 | Would someone else confirm that? | |
| 03:30 | dcook | On it, thd |
| 03:30 | Yup. Looks like it's down | |
| 03:31 | mtj: how is that possibly a css styling bug? | |
| 03:31 | The jquery script is building the links differently | |
| 03:31 | thd | Ok, the server seems to be down, not just the wiki on the server. |
| 03:31 | mtj | if you log a bug, ill take a look at it :) |
| 03:31 | dcook | You sweet-talker you :p |
| 03:32 | mtj | heh, i should shut-up until i look at it |
| 03:33 | thd | gmcharlt: please reboot the wiki machine or otherwise restore connectivity whenever you are awake. |
| 03:34 | mtj | dcook: screenshots too, on this one ;) |
| 03:34 | thd | gmcharlt: The wiki machine does not even respond to ssh. |
| 03:35 | Good night again. | |
| 03:35 | dcook | Sounds good, mtj |
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| 03:41 | dcook | Now that I look at it, maybe the actual function was broken in 1.8.1, but it just looked OK |
| 03:41 | * dcook | will just post the bug... |
| 03:49 | dcook | bug 8592 if you're curious anymore ;) |
| 03:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8592 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Pendingreserves.tt is showing "Previous" and "Next" text over the "Previous" and "Next" buttons on the jQuery datatable |
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| 05:15 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 05:35 | dcook | Good afternoon #koha |
| 05:38 | I was wondering if anyone had thoughts about punctuation in regards to the display of MARC data | |
| 05:38 | Koha often seems to try to anticipate needed punctuation, especially when it comes to separating title and subtitle, as well as different elements of the physical description | |
| 05:39 | This means that you get a lot of duplicate punctuation marks when you actually catalogue correctly with AACR2 :/ | |
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| 05:40 | dcook | Perhaps it's a useless question, but is the preference really for the system adding punctuation? I suppose it's possible that other systems do the same...but the whole point of specifying punctuation in your cataloguing standards is so that your data is portable :S |
| 05:56 | cait | dcook: it might be it's because unimarc is different |
| 05:57 | I have been thinking about this too | |
| 05:57 | germany decided to use marc21 without punctuation marks - but we have them in our data that we import into Koha. I was thinking maybe we could go without... it would make some things look better, like notices and the xslt templates don't need the punctuation | |
| 05:57 | I think in Unimarc you don't have punctuation | |
| 06:01 | dcook | Intriguing |
| 06:01 | I was thinking that there had to be something like that | |
| 06:02 | cait | bit of guessing here |
| 06:02 | really have no good solution yet - both options have advantages and disadvantages I think | |
| 06:03 | dcook | Like every situation, I suppose ;) |
| 06:04 | I suppose it's an issue that affects every system too. There's always going to be conflicting data standards and systems :/ | |
| 06:04 | cait | ideally it should be possible to make both work... |
| 06:05 | at least for display | |
| 06:05 | dcook | Well, there might always be a factor that screws things up though |
| 06:05 | cait | yeah |
| 06:05 | :( | |
| 06:05 | no idea how to solve it | |
| 06:05 | dcook | Same :( |
| 06:06 | cait | ok, leaving for work - back later |
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| 06:55 | kf | mveron++ |
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| 07:00 | Joubu | hi |
| 07:01 | kf | hi matts and Joubu |
| 07:01 | matts | hi ! |
| 07:01 | kf | matts: how are the cats? :) |
| 07:02 | matts | fine ! They survived my week of holiday, and weren't pouting that much when I came back :) |
| 07:02 | kf | lucky :) |
| 07:02 | where have you been for holidays? | |
| 07:04 | matts | I went around Annecy, France |
| 07:04 | The lake is beautiful (one of the cleanest in Europe, have I heard) | |
| 07:04 | kf | :) |
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| 07:10 | gaetan_B | hello :) |
| 07:15 | rangi | evening |
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| 07:58 | bartsimpson | rangi: hello :) me and jorgia are trying to submit her patch, do we need to submit a patch for the css seperately |
| 07:59 | rangi | hmm, we probably need a bug to attach it to first |
| 07:59 | lemme see if i can find one | |
| 08:01 | cant see a likely one so you can go to http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]la3/enter_bug.cgi | |
| 08:01 | and create a new bug, then attach the patch to that | |
| 08:06 | bartsimpson: that ok? | |
| 08:07 | bartsimpson | what would the component be? |
| 08:07 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 08:08 | rangi | bartsimpson: staff client |
| 08:08 | wahanui | staff client is probably for the staff in the library, OPAC is for patrons |
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| 08:09 | rangi | hi magnuse and drojf |
| 08:09 | magnuse | kia ora rangi |
| 08:09 | drojf | hey rangi |
| 08:09 | kf | hi magnuse and drojf |
| 08:10 | magnuse | guten morgen kf |
| 08:10 | drojf | moin kf |
| 08:13 | magnuse | hiya drojf |
| 08:13 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 08:15 | bartsimpson | rangi: We git-commited the file but it's not showing up where i'm used to it being, so what file should I attach |
| 08:15 | rangi | did you do the git format-patch origin/master |
| 08:16 | bartsimpson | oh right |
| 08:16 | rangi | :) |
| 08:19 | bartsimpson | rangi: we are going to submit the other version and the css aswell in attachments. :) |
| 08:19 | rangi | sounds good to me |
| 08:23 | magnuse | bartsimpson++ |
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| 08:25 | magnuse | kia ora eythian |
| 08:25 | rangi | bartsimpson: the wifi still working ok on jorgia's laptop? |
| 08:26 | eythian | God morgen magnuse |
| 08:27 | rangi | hi eythian |
| 08:27 | eythian | hiya rangi |
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| 08:28 | kf | hi eythian |
| 08:28 | eythian | rangi: so I was listening to the music from the humble music bundle thing last night, got half way through one song before I realised it was completely in Māori. |
| 08:28 | hello kf | |
| 08:28 | rangi | eythian: oh really? cool, i wonder who sings it |
| 08:29 | eythian | the same singers who do the other songs on the album. It seems to have a lot of languages (going from the song titles, anyway) |
| 08:30 | although, it has (what sounds like) actual people doing part of it, but I can't tell if it's composed with, or sampled and mixed in. | |
| 08:30 | I suspect the latter however | |
| 08:30 | kf | got another mail with questions for the workshop :) |
| 08:31 | that was for eythian heh | |
| 08:32 | eythian | heh |
| 08:32 | kf | good but not easy questions :) |
| 08:33 | want to know about koha/pazpar2 and koha as cms, Koha/oai-pmh... | |
| 08:36 | bartsimpson | rangi: yep it's operational :) |
| 08:36 | rangi: im going to work on that test i was working on now | |
| 08:37 | rangi | yay! |
| 08:44 | bartsimpson | rangi: just to double check, it was 'members_attributetypes' that i was working on? |
| 08:46 | rangi: also jorgia is trying to git add her second patch, but it's coming up with an error, is there a line to enter to clear the first patch so she can process a new one? | |
| 08:46 | rangi | whats the error ? |
| 08:46 | she might want to paste it | |
| 08:47 | magnuse | pastebin? |
| 08:47 | rangi | bartsimpson: and yep that was the one you were working on |
| 08:47 | paste.koha-community.org | |
| 08:47 | magnuse | pastebin is at http://paste.koha-community.org/ |
| 08:47 | pastebin? | |
| 08:47 | wahanui | pastebin is, like, at http://paste.koha-community.org/ |
| 08:48 | magnuse | paste? |
| 08:48 | wahanui | paste is probably found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 08:48 | magnuse | ah |
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| 08:52 | pastebot | "jorgia" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error i get after trying to git commit" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/83 |
| 08:53 | rangi | hmm it looks like it thinks you have already committed that change |
| 08:54 | can you do git log | |
| 08:54 | jorgia | i commited a change. this is a different one |
| 08:54 | eythian | either that or forgot to save changes |
| 08:54 | that message is saying "nothing's changed to be committed" | |
| 08:55 | jorgia | hmm ok. |
| 08:55 | i did a git log | |
| 08:56 | rangi | it only has the one commit? or are there 2 by you? |
| 08:57 | jorgia | i did one before, this is the css for the script |
| 08:57 | or does the .tt cover both? | |
| 08:58 | rangi | ahh you might have accidentally done both files .. can you remember the bug number? |
| 08:58 | jorgia | 8593 |
| 08:59 | rangi | ta |
| 09:00 | ah nope that is only the tt | |
| 09:00 | hmm maybe you didnt save the css change? | |
| 09:00 | jorgia | Ok ill try again |
| 09:00 | thanks :) | |
| 09:00 | rangi | no worries, thanks for working on koha in your evenings :) |
| 09:02 | kf | jorgia++ :) |
| 09:02 | magnuse | jorgia++ |
| 09:03 | rangi | @karma jorgia |
| 09:03 | huginn | rangi: Karma for "jorgia" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. |
| 09:16 | jorgia | @karma jorgia |
| 09:16 | huginn | jorgia: Karma for "jorgia" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. |
| 09:16 | bartsimpson | @Karma bartsimpson |
| 09:16 | huginn | bartsimpson: Karma for "bartsimpson" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 09:16 | bartsimpson | damn :P |
| 09:18 | rangi | bartsimpon++ |
| 09:18 | there :) | |
| 09:18 | doh | |
| 09:18 | i cant spell | |
| 09:18 | kf | bartsimpson++ |
| 09:18 | rangi | bartsimpson++ |
| 09:18 | * kf | helps out |
| 09:18 | bartsimpson | @karma bartsimpson |
| 09:18 | huginn | bartsimpson: Karma for "bartsimpson" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. |
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| 09:29 | bartsimpson | rangi: I did the terminal side of a prove_cover for my new patch, but don't remember how to look at it on firefox :) |
| 09:30 | wait nvm | |
| 09:30 | got it :) | |
| 09:30 | rangi | :) |
| 09:33 | drojf | pizza dough 1, kitchen mixer 0 :( |
| 09:33 | rangi | ooops |
| 09:34 | drojf | i hope it comes back to life when i wait a little |
| 09:34 | magnuse | what's a pizza dough doing in a kitchen mixer in the first place? ;-) |
| 09:35 | kf | that would have been my next question too |
| 09:35 | use your hands! :) | |
| 09:38 | drojf | it's a handmixer, never had problems with that. takes much longer by hand and i'm lazy? |
| 09:39 | kf | yeah, you are :P |
| 09:39 | * magnuse | does not knead his pizza doughs much |
| 09:39 | drojf | ha! it's back. yeah german engineering. carried out somewhere in asia by an underpaid child :/ |
| 09:39 | kf | it's much more authentic with hands |
| 09:39 | another reason to not use it | |
| 09:39 | rangi | i just throw mine on the road and let cars run over it for a bit |
| 09:39 | drojf | lol |
| 09:40 | pizza nz style? ;) | |
| 09:40 | do you bake it on a volcano afterwards? | |
| 09:40 | rangi | when i was in china, they did that with wheat |
| 09:40 | quite smart, why thresh it when you can get traffic to do it for you | |
| 09:40 | drojf | heh that's brilliant |
| 09:41 | kf: i don't like cheese, so what i call pizza is far from authentic ;) | |
| 09:45 | kf | you don't like cheese... hm. |
| 09:46 | drojf | what is that supposed to mean? |
| 09:46 | kf | hm. nothing? |
| 09:47 | rangi | kf: how far away from you is fribourg ? |
| 09:47 | kf | in switzerland? |
| 09:47 | rangi | yep |
| 09:47 | thats where anitsirk is today | |
| 09:48 | bartsimpson | rangi: I submitted the patch, its all right I think, I tested the end column of the mock-data to test the table and managed to check the 'fetch' thing :) Im getting off now though so see you tomorrow :) |
| 09:48 | kf | google maps says 223 km |
| 09:48 | rangi | thats next door in european terms :) |
| 09:48 | kf | lol |
| 09:48 | it's 2.5 hours by train | |
| 09:48 | um car | |
| 09:48 | train probably much longer | |
| 09:49 | so not exactly next door :) | |
| 09:49 | rangi | she was in heidelberg and was going to fribourg |
| 09:49 | kf | :) |
| 09:52 | magnuse | ouch, i'm trying to do bulkmarcimport.pl ... -match 999c and get an unfriendly error: |
| 09:52 | .Use of uninitialized value $recorddata in pattern match (m//) at misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 439, <GEN13> line 1. | |
| 09:52 | unable to search the database for duplicates : No query entered at misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 218, <GEN13> line 1. | |
| 09:53 | kf | magnuse: you could use the stage import tools from command line |
| 09:53 | magnuse: that's what we do for the imports | |
| 09:53 | still a bad bug tho :( | |
| 09:54 | magnuse | ah, yes |
| 10:03 | drojf | searching "world cat day" without quotes on duckduckgo gives me "worldcat.org" as #1. yeah relevance |
| 10:04 | kf | weltkatzentag? |
| 10:04 | drojf | jo |
| 10:04 | it's today ;) | |
| 10:04 | kf | oh nice |
| 10:05 | we should tell matts - his cats will expect a special menu :) | |
| 10:05 | drojf | :) |
| 10:05 | matts | ^^ |
| 10:07 | kf | :) |
| 10:07 | eythian | why do cats need a day? |
| 10:08 | kf | the queen has a day too? |
| 10:09 | drojf | cats > queen |
| 10:11 | eythian | cats don't even have a calendar |
| 10:11 | does anyone know a decent UI wireframe/mockup thing that is also free software? | |
| 10:11 | kf | eythian: are you sure? |
| 10:11 | for a cat, every day is cat day :) | |
| 10:12 | eythian | right, why do you need a calendar to have caturday, and so they don't know if there's a specific day. |
| 10:13 | kf | now I amconfused |
| 10:13 | time for lunch | |
| 10:13 | magnuse | ooh lunch |
| 10:13 | eythian | yeah, that wasn't me at my most coherent |
| 10:22 | magnuse | ok my brain is fried - i'm trying to help a library that has exported all their marc records in iso27109, cleaned up the data (including item data) and now they want to load the marc in again, to just replace the existing records and item data. what's the best way to do that? |
| 10:23 | it's ~70000 records, so stage marc records hangs | |
| 10:24 | um, more like 77264 records, to be precise | |
| 10:25 | rangi | you can use the stage marc record script from the command line |
| 10:26 | was that what you were doing? | |
| 10:26 | magnuse | nah, i was trying bulkmarcimport |
| 10:26 | how is it used from the command line? perldoc was not very helpful... | |
| 10:27 | rangi | ahh you need to ask kf when she gets back from lunch, i havent done it, but they do it a lot |
| 10:28 | magnuse | ok, i'll pounce on her the minute she turns up! ;-) |
| 10:28 | thanks rangi | |
| 10:28 | rangi | no worries |
| 10:51 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 10:51 | join the fun! | |
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| 11:00 | rangi | Joubu: you about? |
| 11:01 | WaqarAzeem | Hi, i logged in as admin and went to see the books onhold by some user... but somehow call-number is empty against the book (v3.6) |
| 11:26 | jcamins | magnuse: I use stage_* and commit_* to deal with that. |
| 11:27 | Joubu | rangi: yes |
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| 11:55 | magnuse | jcamins: but how do you use it? is it documented anywhere? |
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| 11:56 | jcamins | magnuse: perldoc stage_records.pl? |
| 11:56 | No, just stage_biblios_file.pl --help | |
| 11:57 | --file whatever --match-bibs {matcherid} | |
| 11:59 | magnuse | ahhhh, thanks! |
| 12:01 | wow, that's pretty neat | |
| 12:14 | jcamins | Joubu: I made the additional changes you requested on bug 7417. |
| 12:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
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| 12:19 | Joubu | jcamins: ok thank you ;) |
| 12:20 | jcamins++ | |
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| 12:24 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:37 | drojf | hey oleonard |
| 12:37 | wahanui | i heard oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
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| 12:46 | tcohen | greetings #koha |
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| 13:08 | * oleonard | grumbles about Bug 8574 |
| 13:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, test |
| 13:10 | kf | because it's a test? |
| 13:10 | oleonard | Yes. A test of what? |
| 13:12 | kf | hm no idea? :) |
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| 13:30 | mbalmer | nengard, do you have a hires version of the edinburgh group foto somewhere (that I could for printing in the swiss librarian magazine) |
| 13:31 | nengard | the one on flickr should allow you to download the original size |
| 13:31 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/n[…]62934703/sizes/o/ | |
| 13:33 | eythian | http://youtu.be/4RL9afO27Kg <-- nengard, this may amuse bengard |
| 13:34 | (and possibly yourself | |
| 13:34 | ) | |
| 13:35 | mbalmer | oh yeah, that is fairly big, at least I shaved on day ;) thanks! |
| 13:35 | gmcharlt | @later tell thd sorry -- we were moving the wiki to a different host; looks like no advance notice was sent |
| 13:35 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:38 | hdl | gmcharlt: was sent late last night but since the person was not subscribed to the list, it was stuck in the queue |
| 13:39 | gmcharlt | hdl: ah, OK |
| 13:40 | Joubu | kf: could you re signoff the Bug 7417 with followups when you have some time please ? Thus I can passed qa it ;) |
| 13:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
| 13:40 | kf | Joubu: I will try to do so tonight - thx :) |
| 13:40 | Joubu | kf: thank you ! |
| 13:41 | oleonard | Oh, I missed a meeting last night :( |
| 13:43 | kf | oh? |
| 13:43 | oh, was it this morning? | |
| 13:44 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 13:44 | kf | was someone there? |
| 13:44 | wizzyrea | are we forgetting to send out messages and do posts? because I didn't know there was a meeting either |
| 13:44 | oleonard | I guess "we" are wizzyrea... But who is "we?" |
| 13:45 | wizzyrea | yes, good question |
| 13:45 | someone used to put the meeting times in the topic | |
| 13:45 | kf | it is there for me |
| 13:45 | jwagner | I noticed yesterday that the wiki page listing meetings hasn't been updated since June |
| 13:45 | kf | the meeting time |
| 13:45 | wahanui | the meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 13:45 | jwagner | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings |
| 13:46 | wizzyrea | it sure is |
| 13:46 | eythian | wahanui: you are a bot, you don't have timezones |
| 13:46 | wahanui | ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.... |
| 13:46 | jwagner | I meant to bring it up last night. There was no notification to the lists, and no entry on the page. |
| 13:46 | drojf | oops. feels like the last meeting was yesterday |
| 13:46 | because it was long enough for three | |
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| 13:48 | drojf | so nobody was at the meeting? there are no minutes |
| 13:49 | jwagner | About a dozen people were there, drojf -- nothing really substantive was discussed |
| 13:50 | except that they are starting to ask for volunteers/candidates for the next cycle's roles (release manager, etc.) | |
| 13:50 | wizzyrea | minor things. |
| 13:50 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.3 and 3.6.7 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 5 September 2012 at 18:00 UTC+0 | |
| 13:52 | oleonard | At least the next one is in the time slot where I won't miss it because I'm here anyway :| |
| 13:52 | eythian | I hate when you find a cool feature in Perl that you didn't know existed, use it, and find that it's super-new and not in most versions yet. |
| 13:52 | (in this case "s/.../.../r") | |
| 13:53 | gmcharlt | eythian: one of the reason I weep whenever I see a RHEL5 server |
| 13:53 | eythian | haha |
| 13:55 | gmcharlt | of course, with that it's more like "I hate it when you find a cool feature in Perl that's been there for at least 5 years..." |
| 13:55 | eythian | "man, I miss being able to use regexes in perl" |
| 13:56 | gmcharlt | eythian++ |
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| 13:59 | * eythian | hates writing test cases, especially when they fail. |
| 14:01 | kf | heh |
| 14:24 | chris_n | lol |
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| 14:48 | maximep | is there no way to do a code block in bugzilla ? A way to put code and have it not lose formating and with a different style ? |
| 14:49 | something like a <pre> (that works in redmine). Just hard to read with a ton of code in comments :/ | |
| 14:49 | kf | I think you can't in the comments |
| 14:51 | * oleonard | hoped there might be something here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzi[…]gzilla_Extensions |
| 14:52 | maximep | I guess I can paste text as an attachment for really long blocks of code |
| 14:52 | kf | reading the documentation right now - have spotted nothing so far :( |
| 14:52 | maybe addon like oleonard suggests | |
| 14:59 | eythian | ah. So the new date picker in the reports interface produces dates that mysql doesn't like. |
| 15:00 | (i.e. dd/mm/yyyy rather than yyyy-mm-dd) | |
| 15:03 | jcamins | Ugh. |
| 15:03 | 45 minutes sitting in a train halfway in the station. | |
| 15:04 | eythian | annoying. |
| 15:04 | jcamins | Profoundly. |
| 15:05 | oleonard | eythian: Because your dateformat pref is dd/mm/yyyy? |
| 15:05 | ...but the reports interface requires ISO? | |
| 15:05 | eythian | oleonard: yep |
| 15:05 | the 3.8 selector puts in the ISO form | |
| 15:05 | but the master one is new and doesn't | |
| 15:05 | oleonard | I'm sure we can force the format for that page |
| 15:06 | eythian | it would seem a good way, yeah. |
| 15:06 | oleonard | If you file a bug I can look at it |
| 15:06 | eythian | will do |
| 15:08 | jcamins | eythian: writing tests is great! |
| 15:08 | It's the most fun ever! | |
| 15:08 | ^^ that's my story and I'm sticking too it. | |
| 15:08 | eythian | heh |
| 15:08 | well it's OK now that all 19 of them pass :) | |
| 15:08 | maximep | I love writing tests |
| 15:09 | kf | lol |
| 15:09 | maximep | didn't at first, but after the 10th time they spotted a regression, now I really do |
| 15:09 | kf | so all of you - have fun! :) |
| 15:09 | maximep | if I could I would write more test lines than code |
| 15:10 | jcamins | maximep: and when you write the test before the feature, you hardly even have to think about whether or not the feature works. |
| 15:10 | maximep | hoping I can do some TDD someday in a project |
| 15:10 | jcamins | "Oh, it passes the tests and the pages all render without any Javascript errors? Excellent, my work here is done." :) |
| 15:10 | That's how I did bug 8209. | |
| 15:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities |
| 15:11 | eythian | oleonard: bug 8596 |
| 15:11 | maximep | imo every time you write here are the 25 steps to test that patch, there should instead have a selenium test that does it all for you |
| 15:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates |
| 15:11 | jcamins | That'd be awesome. |
| 15:12 | maximep | yeah that patch in 8209 is amazing |
| 15:13 | I really like your long and detailed patch messages :p | |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Hehe. I like to err on the side of more detail. |
| 15:15 | kf | I like the test plans :) |
| 15:15 | and the code comments | |
| 15:15 | maximep | I pretty much hate every single patch and line of code I ever sent to the koha community |
| 15:15 | haha | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | There's still time to change all that. :) |
| 15:18 | maximep | yes and I finally have some time to do tests for my code |
| 15:18 | yay | |
| 15:19 | drojf | DOM indexing is default in 3.8.3? |
| 15:20 | jcamins | drojf: yup. |
| 15:20 | drojf | alrighty. getting prepared to nuke the crazy zebra on friday |
| 15:21 | maximep | what's DOM indexing ? :S |
| 15:22 | found http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_to_dom_indexing, but it doesn't explain much | |
| 15:22 | drojf | bug 7818 |
| 15:22 | wahanui | bug 7818 is, like, waiting for my QA. Should be pretty painless, as it works a charm |
| 15:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records |
| 15:22 | drojf | wahanui forget bug 7818 |
| 15:22 | wahanui | drojf: I forgot bug 7818 |
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| 15:24 | maximep | Koha currently uses Zebra’s GRS-1 filter for indexing MARC and Zebra’s DOM filter for indexing authority records (represented as MARCXML). |
| 15:25 | love that line. I probably could spend 2 days googling all those terms lol | |
| 15:25 | jcamins | maximep: DOM is better. |
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| 15:26 | drojf | i love the examples |
| 15:26 | What the GRS-1 index cannot provide, however, is the ability to index a phrase that spans subfield boundaries. For example, giving the subject heading: 650 $a Cats $x pharmacology $x catnip | |
| 15:27 | maximep | haha |
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| 15:28 | drojf | For example, the GRS-1 filter index definition melm 245 Title would allow 245 $a Cats on boxes : $b cardboard fantasies to be searched as the phrases "cats on boxes" or "cardboard fantasies", but a title phrase seach of "cats on boxes cardboard fantasises" wouldn't work. |
| 15:28 | :) | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Those are pretty great examples. |
| 15:29 | drojf | can't explain things better than with cat examples |
| 15:31 | * kf | nods |
| 15:32 | Joubu | jcamins (and anyone interested) : Just for *information* (;-)) : I tried to replace Moose with Moo for Koha::Data::SearchEngine, and I failed. It is not simple. Moo does not support introspection for Moose objects. (and we have to overwrite an url attribute). However replace Moose with Mouse is as simple as s/Moose/Mouse/g :) |
| 15:32 | I launched nytprof with these 2 versions, results are quite similars: | |
| 15:32 | Mouse : 1.91s (of 2.22s), executing 628721 statements and 219031 subroutine calls in 334 source files and 50 string evals. | |
| 15:32 | Moose : 1.97s (of 2.31s), executing 672471 statements and 236729 subroutine calls in 322 source files and 50 string evals. | |
| 15:32 | For a simple opac search (5 results to display) | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Using Plack? |
| 15:33 | Joubu | no, only cgi |
| 15:33 | oleonard | I love having to use Firebug to enable the "place hold" button when *some* of multiple titles can't be placed on hold :P |
| 15:34 | jcamins | Ohh... of course. The Solr code is still loading Moose for Data::SearchEngine::Solr. |
| 15:34 | * jcamins | thinks you have a more powerful computer than his, though. ;) |
| 15:36 | Joubu | hum, it's possible :) Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz |
| 15:36 | jcamins | Yes, that's a bit more powerful. Like... a gazillion times. :) |
| 15:37 | * jcamins | has decided to set colocate a server, when he has a change, to offload some of the Koha running onto. |
| 15:37 | Joubu | "The Solr code is still loading Moose for Data::SearchEngine::Solr."> Yes of course. But I wanted to make sure that we could use Mouse or Moo for Koha::SE::Solr |
| 15:37 | jcamins | -set |
| 15:37 | Right. | |
| 15:38 | I was trying to figure out why they were so similar, given my benchmark results. | |
| 15:38 | Mouse is available under Debian Squeeze. | |
| 15:39 | Joubu | yes, good news :) |
| 15:39 | jcamins | http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-[…]versus-any-moose/ |
| 15:40 | So... with Any::Moose, we could use Moose under Plack and Mouse under CGI? | |
| 15:40 | Do I understand correctly? | |
| 15:43 | Joubu | It's what I understand too |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Well, at least if we're wrong, we're both wrong. |
| 15:44 | And Any::Moose is available on Debian. | |
| 15:44 | Joubu | :) |
| 15:45 | jcamins | I prefer Moo because it is lighter weight, but Mouse is still reasonable (I think) for CGI. |
| 15:46 | Where are you using introspection features in Koha::SE? | |
| 15:46 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:47 | jcamins | (I'm not very familiar with that code, and I figure asking you is faster than trying to find it myself;) |
| 15:47 | Joubu | It's not introspection. I just overwrite an attribute (has '+url'). Apparently, It's not possible from a Moose object with Moo |
| 15:49 | jcamins | Hrm. That seems a bit like an anti-feature. |
| 15:50 | Joubu | There is certainly a better way to do some parts. A thinking will be needed when we will choose our OO system. |
| 15:50 | jcamins | Joubu: http://api.metacpan.org/source[…]e-from-moo-role.t <-- looks like they can do it? |
| 15:50 | Where "they" = mst | |
| 15:51 | Joubu | jcamins: If you are interested, I have a local branch with my tests with Moo |
| 15:51 | jcamins | I'd be interested to see it. Any chance you could push it somewhere? |
| 15:51 | Joubu | jcamins: It's the opposite :) |
| 15:53 | We have a Moose object, we extend it and want to override it with a Moo object | |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Ohhh. |
| 15:53 | Ah. | |
| 15:53 | I see the problem. | |
| 15:54 | kf | don't rewrite Koha while I am on my way home, ok? :) |
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| 15:54 | kf | bye all :) |
| 15:54 | Joubu | It's the end of day's work for me :) goodbye |
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| 16:01 | jcamins | Joubu++ # thanks |
| 16:02 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 16:04 | drojf | hey mtompset |
| 16:04 | wahanui | it has been said that mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons. |
| 16:05 | drojf | oh, no musical flashbacks anymore? |
| 16:07 | maximep | oh gaaaaaaaaaaaawd bug 8597 |
| 16:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
| 16:07 | maximep | finally. |
| 16:08 | drojf | heh |
| 16:08 | maximep | really not sure how anyone would use it, but it's cool that we finally sent it |
| 16:08 | jcamins | New developments should always be versioned against master, not 3.8. |
| 16:09 | maximep | yeah :/ |
| 16:09 | fcapovilla | ok, I'll change it |
| 16:09 | jcamins | Thanks. :) |
| 16:10 | fcapovilla | Well, I guess I'll have to do it on my other new patches too :P |
| 16:11 | jcamins | What is attachment 11448? |
| 16:11 | huginn | 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]11448&action=edit patch, New theme for the OPAC, 0001-New-theme-for-the-OPAC.patch |
| 16:11 | jcamins | I see the second and third make up the mobile theme. |
| 16:11 | drojf | the mobile thingy? |
| 16:11 | jcamins | drojf: the first one seems to be different? |
| 16:11 | fcapovilla | first and second are for the theme. The third is the mobile version |
| 16:11 | maximep | we should probably provide an exemple, like http://sherbrooke.koha.ccsr.qc.ca/ |
| 16:11 | drojf | ah sorry confused the numbers |
| 16:12 | maximep | you can see our theme and you can test the mobile just by resizing the window |
| 16:12 | jcamins | Ah-ha. |
| 16:12 | maximep | sadly the mobile depends on stuff in our theme :/ |
| 16:12 | jcamins | Darn. |
| 16:12 | I was just about to ask that. ;) | |
| 16:12 | drojf | so i can use mobile only if i use your theme? or if i install your theme? |
| 16:13 | maximep | yes |
| 16:13 | * drojf | does not even have a smartphone and the tablet is to big for a mobile view |
| 16:13 | drojf | firstworldproblems |
| 16:13 | fcapovilla | yes, you need the theme. We tried to backport the mobile version on the basic Koha theme, we depended too much on our masthead modifications. |
| 16:14 | drojf | then i better like your theme ;) |
| 16:14 | eythian | Whew, bug 8594 took longer than I hoped it would. But, waiting for signoff now from someone who is bored ;) |
| 16:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8594 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , A report containing a subquery that has a 'limit' will have that limit stripped out |
| 16:14 | oleonard | fcapovilla: Why are the images not part of the patch? |
| 16:15 | jcamins | What is jqtransform_select? |
| 16:15 | fcapovilla | Note : you can test the mobile version by resizing your browser window, mediaqueries work like that :P |
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| 16:16 | maximep | jqtransform is to be able to skin <select> |
| 16:16 | no way to do it withoult javascript | |
| 16:16 | fcapovilla | Our designers included a jquery library (jqtransform) to theme browser controls |
| 16:16 | jcamins | Ahh. |
| 16:17 | fcapovilla | oleonard: git didn't want to include binary files in format-patch |
| 16:17 | oleonard | git can handle binary files just fine |
| 16:18 | git send-email may not be able to handle it, but that's another story | |
| 16:18 | fcapovilla | doh, should have searched a little more |
| 16:18 | eythian | I think git-send email can too, doesn't it just base64 them? |
| 16:18 | oleonard | eythian: I'm thinking of long lines, sorry. |
| 16:18 | eythian | (or really, doesn't it just send the patch?) |
| 16:18 | ah right | |
| 16:18 | yeah, they're a pain | |
| 16:20 | oleonard | fcapovilla: Will you be rebasing these patches on master? |
| 16:22 | fcapovilla | oleonard: I can try, I'll also try to include the binary images in the patch |
| 16:22 | oleonard | just git add them, commit, and they'll be included. |
| 16:23 | fcapovilla | well, by default, when I did "git format-patch", it didn't include the images |
| 16:23 | oleonard | Did you use "git add" to add them before that? |
| 16:24 | maximep | lol |
| 16:24 | we know how to use git :P | |
| 16:24 | * McCloud[A] | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 16:24 | jcamins | maximep: it's easy to miss a step, and since images are definitely handled by git, it seems reasonable to think there's something else going on. |
| 16:25 | fcapovilla | I guess I made a mistake wile rebasing. I guess the images weren't in my squashed temporary branch. So many commits. |
| 16:25 | maximep | ah that would explain it |
| 16:26 | 38 commits o_O | |
| 16:26 | fcapovilla | commit early, commit often |
| 16:27 | wajasu | jcamins: what are the ramifications of removing "broader_headings" in LinkerOptions in v3.8.3 (Bug 8447) so I can save z39.50 biblios with AutoCreateAuthorities=generate? What will be the side effects? |
| 16:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8447 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't save new records / indicator error |
| 16:27 | maximep | anyway, you were right. Git has no problem handling images with format-patch |
| 16:28 | jcamins | wajasu: no side effects. |
| 16:28 | It's for linking United States--History--Stuff to United States--History. | |
| 16:29 | I'm a little baffled how it would've gotten set... I could've sworn my instructions said "you probably don't want to use it because it is highly experimental." | |
| 16:29 | wajasu | jcamins: ok. by the way that test plan for that linker was a beast :) |
| 16:30 | jcamins | wajasu: yes, that was before I learned about Test::MockModule. |
| 16:31 | But it was thorough, wasn't it? | |
| 16:31 | wajasu | yup! |
| 16:32 | jcamins | I'll have to see if I can track down the problem. |
| 16:32 | BTW, any hints how broader_heading would have gotten enabled in your system? | |
| 16:33 | The documentation says "don't enable this in production without testing thoroughly." | |
| 16:33 | wajasu | my user read the docs, and said he though it would the functionaility he wanted. thats all. |
| 16:33 | jcamins | The fact that you weren't told "we're testing broader_headings and now it doesn't work" makes me think that the warning isn't clear enough. |
| 16:33 | * jcamins | will send a patch to nengard. |
| 16:34 | jcamins | Some other time. |
| 16:34 | wajasu | i added a comment in the bug for a workaround/hint when this comes up for others. |
| 16:34 | jcamins | I saw, thanks. :) |
| 16:37 | wajasu | we spoke once before about why we wouldn't infer the koha itemtype "Books" most of time by using the leader. Does that include the 008 fields. My user is asking me. |
| 16:37 | jcamins | That is correct. |
| 16:38 | Koha itemtype has nothing to do with bibliographic genre, so it can't be inferred from any combination of non-942/952 fields. | |
| 16:39 | In hindsight, I think using "Book," "Video," etc. as sample itemtypes was a very foolish decision. | |
| 16:40 | nengard | thanks jcamins |
| 16:40 | wajasu | Ahh. its a semantic mistake? |
| 16:40 | jcamins | nengard: now that I know how to reproduce the bug, I'll also fix it, but the note in the manual apparently isn't dire enough. :) |
| 16:41 | wajasu | so the koha "Book" itemtype has nothing to do with searching for things that are book-like. |
| 16:41 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 16:41 | I mean, lots of people use it as such, but that's a personal decision. | |
| 16:42 | wajasu | so in what other ways is the book itemtype useful? |
| 16:42 | jcamins | "Reference" "General circulation" "Reserve" etc. make just as much sense. |
| 16:42 | It's for circulation. | |
| 16:43 | If you think about a public library, they have a section for "Books," a section for "DVDs," etc., and everything in a given section circulates the same way. | |
| 16:43 | If they have books that don't circulate, they call them Reference, and put them in a special "Reference" section, and change the itemtype to "Reference." | |
| 16:43 | wajasu | Ahh. Thats why my user sqwauks. They don't circulate. And everything is a Book. |
| 16:43 | right now :) | |
| 16:45 | so its a circulation type/category | |
| 16:46 | jcamins | For non-circulating libraries (like the ones I work with) itemtype doesn't matter so much. |
| 16:46 | One client uses itemtype for book/article/auction catalog. | |
| 16:46 | Exactly. | |
| 16:47 | wajasu | maybe itemtype should be circulationtype (would be nice "help" for future marc editor tooltip or such to explain this. |
| 16:47 | * jcamins | thinks that would be much better. |
| 16:51 | wajasu | since my user doesn't circulate, everything is a book, so is there a way to default the koha itemtype to a "Book" as a systemPref, or is there a way to enable that in the framework mappings (i.e. default ) |
| 16:52 | jcamins | You can just set the default in the framework to BOOK (or whatever the controlled value in question is). |
| 16:52 | This is what I do. | |
| 16:52 | wajasu | Ahh. Yea!!! Thats what I want. |
| 16:52 | thx !!! | |
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| 17:26 | drojf | if i want to use koha-restore from the packages on a new installation, do i use it immediately after koha/mysql installation? |
| 17:27 | jcamins | drojf: I do. |
| 17:27 | drojf | there are a lot of cool debian commands i never used |
| 17:28 | * jcamins | especially likes koha-do-everything, which takes care of cataloging, too. |
| 17:28 | tcohen | quick question: is it possible to print the staff cardnumber in the quick slip receipt? |
| 17:28 | drojf | koha-repair-the-$@&!-zebra would be cool too |
| 17:28 | maximep | does koha-do-everything fix my bugs ? :p |
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| 17:37 | tcohen | jcamins: I have a magic wand that could be used for that purpose too |
| 17:37 | LOL | |
| 17:37 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 17:38 | * jcamins | wonders what it says that everyone laughs at that joke. |
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| 17:43 | tcohen | jcamins, do u know if it is possible to have the staff member cardnumber in the quick slip receit? |
| 17:43 | jcamins | tcohen: I don't, sorry. |
| 17:43 | None of my libraries use slips. | |
| 17:43 | tcohen | we still have a couple |
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| 18:20 | fcapovilla | Hum.. I'm trying to test a patch on the master, but I can't install a new dependency : Text::Unaccent ... It says the test failed. Anybody got that problem? |
| 18:21 | cait | hm it worked for me |
| 18:21 | are you installing libtext-unaccent-perl? | |
| 18:22 | fcapovilla | I used cpan |
| 18:22 | jcamins | You should never use CPAN. |
| 18:22 | wizzyrea | oo yea |
| 18:22 | bad idea | |
| 18:22 | fcapovilla | oh, theres a package, I'll install that |
| 18:22 | jcamins | This sort of thing happens when you use CPAN. |
| 18:22 | wizzyrea | :)) |
| 18:23 | things get all confusticated. | |
| 18:23 | fcapovilla | And it works! Thank you. |
| 18:26 | wizzyrea | yvw :) |
| 18:41 | jcamins | magnuse: by the way, you'll like my revisions to bug 7417. |
| 18:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
| 18:41 | jcamins | magnuse: it takes the first step toward freeing us from MARC. |
| 18:43 | It renames record to marcrecord. | |
| 18:44 | One day, it will be generated on the fly for those rare times when we need to export an authority as MARC. | |
| 18:45 | It will be a glorious day. | |
| 18:52 | cait | heh |
| 19:03 | eythian | www.bibliocommons.com/how-we-work/our-platform <-- anyone want a new discovery layer!!! |
| 19:04 | jcamins | eythian: NYPL is using that. |
| 19:04 | I don't dislike it yet. | |
| 19:05 | eythian | ah, interesting |
| 19:06 | * wizzyrea | knows someone who works for them |
| 19:07 | jcamins | Actually, I was just kidding. |
| 19:07 | I do dislike it already. | |
| 19:07 | Silly me, thinking I might not. | |
| 19:08 | It is by far the best discovery layer I've ever used, but it has issues sometimes helping me locate known items. | |
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| 19:09 | fcapovilla | Took longer than I expected, but I finally rebased bug 8597 on master. |
| 19:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | oh nice |
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| 19:14 | jcamins | eythian: are you helping someone implement a discovery layer? |
| 19:15 | eythian | gods no |
| 19:15 | someone just asked about it | |
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| 19:45 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:45 | cait | evening :) |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 19:57 | rangi | Back above 90 eh? |
| 19:58 | cait | on it :) |
| 19:59 | rangi | :-) |
| 20:00 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 20:00 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on August 09, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:00 | rangi | Ohh a mobile theme |
| 20:00 | Cool | |
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| 20:11 | rangi | Wow |
| 20:12 | Just wow | |
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| 20:12 | cait | :) |
| 20:12 | morning kathryn | |
| 20:12 | :) | |
| 20:13 | kathryn | hello there cait |
| 20:15 | rangi | Ok my stop bbiab |
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| 20:21 | rangi | back |
| 20:21 | maximep | mobile theme with a few problems :P |
| 20:22 | cait | still looks quite pretty :) |
| 20:22 | maximep | yeah but I don't expect everyone to like our theme |
| 20:25 | rangi | maximep: i like it, but if people dont, and dont want it in the main repo, we could always put it http://git.koha-community.org/[…]global.git;a=tree |
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| 20:40 | mtj | fcapovilla++ maximep++ - nice opac theme! :) |
| 20:40 | love it | |
| 20:45 | rangi | and cssr++ too |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | you know, any default mobile theme is better than no mobile theme. |
| 20:47 | maximep: you know, you could do a mobileusercss pref | |
| 20:47 | and include that | |
| 20:48 | so people could muck about with their css | |
| 20:48 | like opacusercss | |
| 20:48 | rangi | oh smart |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | in fact, why don't we do that... |
| 20:48 | lol | |
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| 20:50 | wizzyrea | they did the mobile detection thing right? |
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| 20:51 | cait | I think it detects the windows size |
| 20:51 | which is nice! | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | oh yes yes |
| 20:51 | cait | window size |
| 20:51 | fcapovilla | mediaqueries :P |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | fcapovilla: did you see my idea about a mobileusercss |
| 20:51 | rangi | window size is a much nicer way to do it |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | so people could input their own overriding css on top of your lovely work |
| 20:52 | (for those people who say "I don't like this wah wah" well, change it up then!) | |
| 20:52 | mtj | bootstrap has some nice media-query stuff , too -> http://twitter.github.com/boot[…]g.html#responsive |
| 20:53 | fcapovilla | wizzyrea: yes, very good idea. |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | because I think you did the hard part |
| 20:53 | : | |
| 20:53 | :) | |
| 20:53 | colors and such is ez business for most libraries | |
| 20:53 | are. | |
| 20:54 | well, not most. more than one. | |
| 20:54 | sss left #koha | |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | then we could have a wiki page for mobile styles |
| 20:54 | ooh la la | |
| 20:55 | fcapovilla | The hard part was converting all those horizontal tables into lists using only css, because we lack horizontal space on mobile. |
| 20:58 | mtj | fcapovilla: i will look at the cssr opac theme using the android emulator, soon :) |
| 20:59 | fcapovilla | mtj: ok, we tried it on a blackberry emulator, on ipods/iphones and even on a windows phone. |
| 21:00 | The problematic part is the sliding menu in the user account page. Some mobile browsers might have a hard time with it. | |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | fcapovilla: do you have a live site with it? |
| 21:01 | fcapovilla | https://sherbrooke.koha.ccsr.qc.ca/ |
| 21:01 | But you won't be able to access the user account page without an account :/ | |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | hmmm |
| 21:04 | i can't get that to come up on my android phone… says url not available | |
| 21:04 | (and yes, otherwise I can get stuff fine) | |
| 21:04 | fcapovilla | strange |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | comes up in my browser |
| 21:04 | on my computer | |
| 21:04 | just fine | |
| 21:05 | no typos | |
| 21:05 | weird, I clicked through from google | |
| 21:06 | and it works but typing it in directly, even with no typos, it didn't work | |
| 21:06 | i like it though | |
| 21:06 | preety | |
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| 21:29 | koyauni | hi guys I have just got a dedicated server with hertzner.com running Debian 6.05, and I trying to install Koha 3.8, |
| 21:30 | anyone has any good site that I can follow for this installation please | |
| 21:30 | rangi | packages? |
| 21:30 | wahanui | packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 21:31 | rangi | that url ^ |
| 21:32 | koyauni | what is Debian squeeze |
| 21:32 | wahanui | Debian squeeze is recommended for koha? |
| 21:32 | koyauni | is it same as Debian 6 |
| 21:32 | mtj | yes |
| 21:32 | koyauni | so it is just another name for Debian 6 |
| 21:33 | mtj | yes |
| 21:33 | koyauni | thanks, my server runs Debian 6.05 |
| 21:33 | is Perl 5.10 good enough | |
| 21:33 | mtj | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
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| 21:34 | bag | heya mtj |
| 21:34 | mtj | koyauni, if you are running squeeze, everything is good enough :) |
| 21:34 | * mtj | waves to bag |
| 21:35 | koyauni | yes it does, let give it a go, I just learned Linux today? :( |
| 21:40 | they have two package in that instruction koha-common and Koha and they recommend to use koha pack but the instruction just talks about koha-common, any tips what I should as I am beginner to all this, please | |
| 21:41 | rangi | use koha-common |
| 21:41 | dont use koha | |
| 21:41 | you are using the stable one eh? (not oldstable or development) | |
| 21:41 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | fortunately you are in luck, we love beginners :) |
| 21:43 | we were all one once | |
| 21:43 | rangi | except gmcharlt |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | oh, true |
| 21:44 | he sprung fully formed from the head of zeus | |
| 21:44 | rangi | heh |
| 22:02 | magnuse | jcamins++ for taking the first step toward freeing us from MARC |
| 22:02 | g'night #koha! | |
| 22:04 | rangi | hey! |
| 22:04 | i didnt even put MARC in it! | |
| 22:04 | :) | |
| 22:04 | we were free for 2 whole years :) | |
| 22:18 | koyauni | thanks!, I will do that |
| 22:24 | I try to add this (wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -) but it says that is does not have command sudo, does it mean that I miss some modules | |
| 22:25 | jcamins_away | koyauni: if you are running everything as root, you can remove sudo. |
| 22:25 | And then you can install sudo by doing `apt-get install sudo` | |
| 22:25 | That's not a Koha thing. It's a Linux thing. | |
| 22:26 | koyauni | so I need to remove it and reinstall it |
| 22:26 | jcamins_away | No. |
| 22:26 | This has nothing to do with Koha. | |
| 22:26 | If you want ot use sudo, you can install sudo by running `apt-get install sudo` | |
| 22:27 | If you are just using root, you don't need sudo. People just prefer it because it means you don't have a root shell around. | |
| 22:27 | koyauni | ohh I have root |
| 22:27 | I use SSH working in root of the server | |
| 22:28 | so this should be deffirnet command line for me then | |
| 22:28 | (wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -) | |
| 22:28 | jcamins_away | Remove "sudo" |
| 22:29 | koyauni | (wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | apt-key add -) |
| 22:29 | like that | |
| 22:29 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 22:29 | koyauni | it says (gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. ) |
| 22:30 | I ges that link is not valid | |
| 22:30 | jcamins_away | Well, that's an optional step. |
| 22:31 | rangi | you arent doing the brackets are you? |
| 22:31 | try doing | |
| 22:31 | apt-get install wget | |
| 22:32 | then run that command again (it's definitely a valid link) | |
| 22:32 | koyauni | no no no brackets, just add them here |
| 22:32 | rangi | cool just checking :) |
| 22:33 | koyauni | wget is already the newest version. |
| 22:33 | rangi | what happens when you just do |
| 22:33 | wget http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | |
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| 22:35 | koyauni | I think that did it :) |
| 22:35 | wget http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | |
| 22:35 | rangi | well all that has done is downloaded the file |
| 22:35 | you should see a gpg.asc file there now | |
| 22:36 | if you do ls | |
| 22:36 | if so | |
| 22:36 | then | |
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| 22:36 | rangi | apt-key add gpg.asc |
| 22:37 | koyauni | apt-get install koha-common > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done > E: Unable to locate package koha-common |
| 22:37 | rangi | have you done the apt-get update step? |
| 22:37 | you have to be very careful not to skip steps | |
| 22:39 | koyauni | yes still says unable to locate |
| 22:41 | rangi | apt-get update |
| 22:41 | says that? | |
| 22:43 | koyauni | long list and then Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:44 | rangi | and debian.koha-community.org |
| 22:44 | was in that list? | |
| 22:45 | koyauni | no it is not |
| 22:47 | it has got that | |
| 22:47 | wget http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc --2012-08-09 00:46:29-- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc Resolving debian.koha-community.org... 64.57.244.203 Connecting to debian.koha-community.org|64.57.244.203|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 26919 (26K) [text/plain] Saving to: âgpg.asc.7â 100%[===== | |
| 22:51 | rangi | no |
| 22:51 | when you do | |
| 22:51 | apt-get update | |
| 22:52 | was it in the list? | |
| 22:52 | if not sounds like you missed an earlier step | |
| 22:52 | koyauni | no I can not see it in the list |
| 22:53 | :) I did not do this | |
| 22:53 | deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | |
| 22:53 | rangi | ahh yes you have to do that step |
| 22:53 | koyauni | shall I do the stable one |
| 22:53 | rangi | yes |
| 22:55 | koyauni | it says |
| 22:55 | -bash: deb: command not found | |
| 22:55 | rangi | you dont type that in |
| 22:55 | To get the stable 3.8 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file: | |
| 22:56 | koyauni | ok |
| 22:56 | rangi | you have sshed into the server eh? |
| 22:57 | koyauni | the folder is empty |
| 22:58 | sources.list.d | |
| 22:58 | rangi | yep, you will have to make a new file |
| 22:58 | you can do that by just editing one | |
| 22:59 | koyauni | ok, then I add this line to it |
| 22:59 | deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | |
| 22:59 | rangi | exactly |
| 22:59 | koyauni | and then save |
| 22:59 | rangi | yup |
| 23:00 | then run apt-get update | |
| 23:01 | koyauni | now it is done and it is in the list |
| 23:03 | rangi | excellent |
| 23:03 | try the install line again now | |
| 23:03 | koyauni | it is going and asked to say Y for taking 612 MB of space |
| 23:04 | now I have a blue screen and says | |
| 23:04 | Package configuration | |
| 23:07 | rangi | thats good |
| 23:07 | koyauni | where to go from here |
| 23:08 | rangi | whats it saying, it should ask you questions |
| 23:08 | koyauni | only one option OK, and I said OK, now it does some further installation |
| 23:08 | rangi | cool |
| 23:10 | koyauni | how do I make sure that koha works in our sub domain only |
| 23:10 | library.koyauniversity.org | |
| 23:10 | rangi | we aren't up to that yet |
| 23:11 | you need to now | |
| 23:11 | edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf | |
| 23:12 | add this line | |
| 23:12 | actually do you want the opac to be libary.koyauniversity.org | |
| 23:12 | or koha.libary.koyauniversity.org or opac.libary.koyauniversity.org | |
| 23:12 | ? | |
| 23:12 | or something else | |
| 23:13 | koyauni | this one libary.koyauniversity.org |
| 23:13 | now done installing many many lines | |
| 23:13 | I hope I did not wipped the server :( | |
| 23:16 | rangi | ok |
| 23:16 | now you need to edit the file | |
| 23:16 | edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf | |
| 23:16 | add | |
| 23:16 | DOMAIN=".koyauniversity.org" | |
| 23:16 | koyauni | so I have to create that first |
| 23:16 | rangi | yes |
| 23:17 | do you want the staff site (koha has 2 sites, the opac and the staff site) to be at library.koyauniverstity.org too? but on a different port or do you want it to be on a different url? | |
| 23:18 | koyauni | DOMAIN=".koyauniversity.org" # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string. |
| 23:18 | can I leave the #and line after that | |
| 23:18 | rangi | yes |
| 23:19 | koyauni | we do not have this case |
| 23:19 | DEFAULTSQL="/usr/share/koha/defaults.sql.gz" # only needed if you're pre-populating from another Koha database | |
| 23:19 | rangi | dont add that |
| 23:19 | and you havent answered my question above, this is important or you might put the wrong things in this file | |
| 23:20 | koyauni | I want to use Plesk on the server to create the database so we can have autobackup a schedule on it |
| 23:20 | rangi | the packages do backups already |
| 23:21 | koyauni | I did not add it |
| 23:21 | what is staff site, | |
| 23:21 | rangi | have you used koha before? |
| 23:21 | koyauni | you mean people at the library do admin work |
| 23:21 | rangi | yes |
| 23:21 | koyauni | yes, we need that |
| 23:21 | I have watched videos, lots of them | |
| 23:22 | but not use it yet but demo online | |
| 23:22 | rangi | so, what url do you want that on? |
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| 23:23 | rangi | actually are you going to be the system administrator for this system? |
| 23:23 | koyauni | can we have libraryadmin.koyauniverstity.org/ |
| 23:23 | rangi | you can yes .. do you have dns set up for that? |
| 23:23 | koyauni | yes, as I am learning to do it :( |
| 23:24 | I just got the server today, I have created library.koyauniverstity.org | |
| 23:24 | I can create the admin as well | |
| 23:24 | rangi | and it points to that machine? |
| 23:24 | cool do that :) | |
| 23:24 | then INTRAPORT needs to be 80 | |
| 23:25 | and INTRASUFFIX="admin" | |
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| 23:25 | Space_Librarian | o/ |
| 23:25 | rangi | i don thtink creating the db with plesk will work, you are better of making plesk back up an existing database |
| 23:27 | koyauni | I created libraryadmin.KoyaUniversity.org |
| 23:27 | rangi | and it points to the ipnumber of the server eh? |
| 23:28 | koyauni | I have one IP only and this is subdomain to the main domain which is KoyaUniversity.org |
| 23:28 | should this INTRASUFFIX="admin" be INTRASUFFIX="libraryadmin" | |
| 23:28 | rangi | no |
| 23:29 | just admin | |
| 23:29 | koyauni | ok |
| 23:29 | rangi | 69.64.90.112 <-- that is the ipnumber of this server right? |
| 23:29 | ifconfig will tell you | |
| 23:31 | koyauni | no 88.198.51.202 |
| 23:31 | rangi | well then this wont work |
| 23:31 | becuase | |
| 23:31 | libraryadmin.KoyaUniversity.org. 14400 IN CNAMEKoyaUniversity.org. | |
| 23:31 | KoyaUniversity.org.43200INA69.64.90.112 | |
| 23:32 | koyauni | that is my old server |
| 23:32 | rangi | the dns is pointing it to 69.64.90.112 |
| 23:32 | koyauni | I need to change that to this new server |
| 23:32 | rangi | im going to have to get back to work im afraid |
| 23:33 | but yes you will need to do that, nothing is running on the old server eh? | |
| 23:33 | koyauni | :( |
| 23:33 | no, it is CentOS | |
| 23:33 | and we had problem to get Koha to work on it | |
| 23:33 | * rangi | doesnt get paid to help out in #koha .. it would be nice .. but I have to do the work i get paid to do as well |
| 23:33 | koyauni | so we got this new one on Debian |
| 23:34 | I still need to work on this config page donot I | |
| 23:35 | rangi | ill be back tomorrow if you want to continue then, or you can try to work through the instructions yourself .. but on your first day of linux .. this is a pretty ambitious task |
| 23:35 | you have to learn a lot about server administration .. (not koha that bit is a lot easier) | |
| 23:35 | * rangi | will be back later |
| 23:35 | koyauni | well here in Iraq, things has to happen |
| 23:36 | and I have to do it as there is no appreciation for new tech or solution | |
| 23:36 | mtj | koyauni, ask your dev person to help you... |
| 23:37 | koyauni | I am everyone! |
| 23:37 | and only one | |
| 23:37 | I am trying to tell uni that this will work | |
| 23:37 | so I have to get it up and running to show them | |
| 23:38 | mtj | if you cant install koha yourself, then use a live-cd or vmware koha |
| 23:39 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]irtual_Appliances | |
| 23:40 | these are pre-installed and pre-configured | |
| 23:40 | ... for people who cant install a koha by themselves | |
| 23:40 | koyauni | but we have done this installation for now, what will happen to this |
| 23:42 | mtj | try to complete the install by yourself - no harm to try ... |
| 23:42 | :) | |
| 23:44 | why not ask your dev, who successfully installed your debian-koha to help you? | |
| 23:46 | koyauni | ohh you mean admin at herzner.com |
| 23:46 | I already did, they said they do not do tried party application | |
| 23:51 | what is koha web installer | |
| 23:51 | http://www.packtpub.com/sites/[…]igurations%20.pdf | |
| 23:52 | mtj | koyauni, try a vmware / virtualbox koha first |
| 23:52 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]irtual_Appliances | |
| 23:54 | koyauni | so I should stop working on configuration and go for virtual one |
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