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| 00:40 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #72: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/72/ |
| 00:40 | oleonard: Bug 8194 - Layout problem on subscription add when showing manual history | |
| 00:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8194 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Layout problem on subscription add when showing manual history |
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| 00:55 | SJeffery | Thank god ala is over |
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| 01:04 | rangi | SJeffery: crazy? |
| 01:04 | wahanui | it has been said that crazy is if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder |
| 01:05 | SJeffery | Exhausting is a good way to describe it |
| 01:05 | rangi | yeah i went to my first one last year, in new orleans, exhausting is exactly how id describe it |
| 01:08 | SJeffery: are you from california? | |
| 01:08 | SJeffery | no, az. |
| 01:09 | rangi | ahh not too far away at least |
| 01:09 | SJeffery | Yeah, I will head back tomorrow afternoon. |
| 01:10 | rangi | did you go to any sessions? |
| 01:10 | SJeffery | Plenty, also involved in committee stuff |
| 01:10 | rangi | ahhh |
| 01:10 | what was your pick of the conference? | |
| 01:12 | SJeffery | There was a good one on IT strategic planning this afternoon...but really, you get more out of the networking and committees than the sessions,. |
| 01:12 | rangi | yup thats what i always say, the hallway track is the best conference track |
| 01:14 | SJeffery | ALA is not well-suited for corporate libraries, but you can get a lot out of it if you work it |
| 01:14 | rangi | is there a corporate libraries association? |
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| 01:16 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 01:16 | rangi | hi Oak |
| 01:16 | Oak | hello rangi :) |
| 01:18 | SJeffery | There is, SLA, that one has its own advantages and disadvantages |
| 01:33 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #73 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:49 | rangi | ah ha |
| 01:50 | bug 7818 breaks the packaging | |
| 01:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records |
| 01:52 | rangi | dh_install: etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere |
| 02:25 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #73: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/73/ |
| 02:25 | veron: Bug 7368 - General staff client typo omnibus | |
| 02:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus |
| 02:25 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #74 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 03:17 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #74: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/74/ |
| 03:17 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7143 Followup for timeline | |
| 03:17 | * jcamins: Bug 8255: allow local cover images to be cached | |
| 03:17 | * sophie.meynieux: Bug 8191 : Adding a new value to 8 position of coded data field 100 | |
| 03:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 03:17 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8255 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Local cover images should be cacheable | |
| 03:17 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8191 minor, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , New value for 8 position in coded data field 100 in unimarc | |
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| 03:36 | mtj- | hmm this looks new... |
| 03:36 | C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.07.00.049 at /home/mason/git/head/tags/review.pl line 33. | |
| 03:36 | cjh_ | heh |
| 03:37 | mtj- | i'm not sure what is the best fix... |
| 03:38 | i think simply remove the '3.02' stuff , its unnecessary | |
| 03:40 | cjh_ | is it possible to fix the faulty comparison? |
| 03:41 | although most places in koha dont mention the version they require so it does seem superfluous | |
| 03:43 | mtj- | cjh_: yep, agreed, its something related to 'use' -> http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/use.html |
| 03:47 | logged a bug 8315 ...:) | |
| 03:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha |
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| 04:45 | * Oak | wondering where cait is |
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| 06:31 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:36 | cait | hi #koha |
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| 06:49 | julian_m | hi |
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| 07:05 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:06 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:06 | wahanui | hola, gaetan_B |
| 07:06 | gaetan_B | hola wahanui ;) |
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| 07:37 | * rangi | answers stacy |
| 07:41 | rangi | and evening all |
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| 07:58 | rangi | heya asaurat1 |
| 08:00 | asaurat1 | hi!! |
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| 08:02 | mib_cvux1w | Hi, need help about KOHA theme change! |
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| 08:10 | mtj- | rangi++, nice email :) |
| 08:10 | rangi | thanks, it was tricky to write |
| 08:10 | mtj- | yeah, i can imagine... |
| 08:13 | and a nice plug for jenkins too | |
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| 08:18 | Oak | cait! |
| 08:18 | where wert thou? | |
| 08:18 | magnuse | |
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| 08:19 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 08:21 | cait | Oak:! |
| 08:21 | :) | |
| 08:22 | Oak | :) |
| 08:22 | cait | I was visiting my new baby nephew |
| 08:22 | asaurat1 | ooooh |
| 08:23 | what's his name ? | |
| 08:23 | Oak | ahhh coool |
| 08:23 | cait | asaurat: markus |
| 08:23 | son of my older brother :) | |
| 08:23 | Oak | awesome name |
| 08:23 | asaurat | nice =) |
| 08:25 | mtj- | pretty interesting stuff -> http://search.cpan.org/~dconwa[…]egexp/Grammars.pm |
| 08:26 | Damian _Conway++ | |
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| 08:32 | cait | morning eythian:) |
| 08:32 | eythian | hello |
| 08:32 | wahanui | hey, eythian |
| 08:33 | rangi | hi eythian |
| 08:34 | eythian | g'morning |
| 08:37 | cait | bye all :) |
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| 08:41 | mveron | Hi #koha :-) |
| 08:41 | rangi | hi mveron |
| 08:41 | mveron | Hi rangi |
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| 08:43 | mveron | Hi drojfl :-) |
| 08:43 | drojf1 | hey mveron :) |
| 08:46 | omg i'm in the koha newsletter. i'm a celebrity *autographs some pictures of himself* | |
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| 09:21 | magnuse | did we ever decide on a time for the july meeting? |
| 09:21 | drojf | yes |
| 09:21 | magnuse | 10 utc? |
| 09:21 | drojf | should be 10 |
| 09:21 | magnuse | ok |
| 09:22 | i'm creating the page now | |
| 09:23 | drojf | there was a final mail from brooke. i'm on my tablet, don't have my email archive here. but the discussion was 2 or 10 i think |
| 09:25 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_18_July_2012 says 10 now, anyone is free to edit, of course |
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| 09:33 | drojf | magnuse++ |
| 09:33 | magnuse | ooh :-) |
| 09:34 | drojf | i think we should have kohacon12 also, we didnt talk about it besides i said it was awesome. if there is more to say about it that is |
| 09:34 | but im off to nonkoha work now | |
| 09:34 | later | |
| 09:36 | * magnuse | added kohacon12 |
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| 10:27 | eythian | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/c[…]refox_for/c55ec4d <-- the "mentored bugs" thing here is interesting. |
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| 11:54 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 11:54 | cait1 | hi #koha |
| 11:55 | drojf | i said it first ;) |
| 11:55 | hi cait1 | |
| 11:56 | jcamins | Hi cait1 and drojf. |
| 11:56 | cait1 | hi drojf and jcamins |
| 11:56 | drojf | hey jcamins |
| 11:56 | cait1 | bought a second screen... is there a trick to make my laptop see it? |
| 11:56 | drojf | plug it in? |
| 11:57 | hdl1 | cait1: which os, which version ? |
| 11:57 | drojf | depends on your os though |
| 11:57 | hdl1 | xrandr --auto |
| 11:58 | should could fo the job on Linux machine | |
| 11:58 | drojf | also depends on the dektop environment, not only os |
| 11:59 | cait1 | ubuntu |
| 12:00 | newest ubuntu... forgot the name again :) | |
| 12:00 | hm nothing happening so far | |
| 12:01 | eythian | open the screen settings? |
| 12:01 | cait1 | xrandr without auto indicates there is nothing plugged in |
| 12:01 | eythian | but on mine, I just plug it in |
| 12:01 | cait1 | eythian: I tried that... :( |
| 12:01 | eythian: there is no indication that something was plugged in | |
| 12:01 | I am trying something, brb | |
| 12:01 | eythian | is the other end of the cable plugged into the screen? :) |
| 12:01 | cait1 | yes it is! :P |
| 12:01 | drojf | in kde there come up screen settings when you plug in the monitor. worked in ubuntu and debian |
| 12:01 | lol | |
| 12:02 | eythian | what video card? |
| 12:02 | (intel, nvidia, ?) | |
| 12:02 | oh | |
| 12:02 | drojf | wrong cable |
| 12:02 | eythian | clearly |
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| 12:13 | cait | I think ubuntu doesn't like the graphics card |
| 12:13 | it's using the integrated and perhaps that's why it's not working... | |
| 12:14 | jcamins | Maybe you need to install proprietary drivers for it? |
| 12:14 | cait | yeah |
| 12:14 | drojf | you also bought an external graphics card for the monitor? |
| 12:14 | cait | maybe |
| 12:14 | no | |
| 12:14 | it has too | |
| 12:14 | gr 2 | |
| 12:14 | optimus | |
| 12:14 | which is not supported by linux right now I think | |
| 12:15 | * cait | is not a hardware geek |
| 12:15 | drojf | your chance to become one |
| 12:15 | ;) | |
| 12:15 | cait | yay ;) |
| 12:15 | eythian | oh |
| 12:15 | optimus | |
| 12:15 | drojf | just write a driver :) |
| 12:15 | eythian | that's terrible |
| 12:15 | and nvidia is refusing to support it | |
| 12:15 | cait | drojf: you do one, I learn from htat? ;) |
| 12:16 | eythian | have you tried "bumblebee" |
| 12:16 | ? | |
| 12:16 | cait | eythian: I think they made some progess on it, but it's still very experimental, I didn't try it |
| 12:16 | jcamins | What about installing the proprietary drivers for the Intel video? |
| 12:16 | cait | I don't care if it doesn#t support optimus I think but it would be nice if it didn't send me to command line when I switch to the nvidia in bios |
| 12:17 | that's why I was gone so long :) | |
| 12:17 | sekjal | cait: first graphics card I bought for my Ubuntu desktop didn't work very well at all... even with proprietary drivers. had to swap out for a more robustly supported card |
| 12:17 | jcamins | sekjal: oh, I found a website that you might find interesting: http://www.lassanamagassa.com/[…]ng-down-now-what/ |
| 12:17 | cait | sekjal: it's a laptop - so I hope it will work :) |
| 12:17 | jcamins | cait: which laptop? |
| 12:18 | eythian | jcamins: I don't think there are proprietary intel drivers |
| 12:18 | intel puts its drivers into the kernel tree, in general | |
| 12:18 | jcamins | eythian: really? There used to be. |
| 12:18 | Of course, that was on Ubuntu 6.4. | |
| 12:18 | eythian | ah right. They've gotten a lot better. |
| 12:18 | cait | um |
| 12:18 | sekjal | cait: ah, I imagine laptops are even more difficult to work with there |
| 12:18 | cait | anyone any hints how to find the right drivers? |
| 12:19 | jcamins | cait: Ubuntu used to have a "find proprietary drivers" program. |
| 12:19 | Then they redid everything and made it weird. | |
| 12:19 | eythian | I think now it comes up automatically if needed. |
| 12:19 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 12:19 | Well, that might be it then. | |
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| 12:20 | eythian | or, search for however "Extra stuur programma's" is translated into english, that'll find it too. |
| 12:20 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 12:20 | eythian | (or type "jockey" into dash, that'll make it show up) |
| 12:21 | sekjal | jcamins: we're probably just going to switch over to LibChat, and only offer limited legacy support for chat over single networks |
| 12:21 | jcamins | sekjal: makes sense. |
| 12:21 | cait | lol |
| 12:21 | extra stuur - sounds like extra stubborn in German :) | |
| 12:21 | sekjal | I looked at libpurple, the Pidgin core, and wondered how much effort it would take to make our own chat solution |
| 12:22 | a lot, I think is the answer | |
| 12:22 | cait | eythian: it reported "no proprietary drivers used" |
| 12:22 | jcamins | Hehe. Yeah, I'd imagine. |
| 12:22 | What laptop do you have? Maybe there's some way to tell it to use the external monitor with the integrated video? | |
| 12:22 | cait | jcamins: that's not what I want |
| 12:22 | drojf | what do you want? |
| 12:23 | cait | thinkpad w520 |
| 12:23 | a second screen | |
| 12:23 | ah, maybe I misunderstood jcamins | |
| 12:23 | jcamins | It's not just an external monitor? |
| 12:23 | cait | it is |
| 12:23 | drojf | but with the intel card and not the nvidia optimus |
| 12:23 | jcamins | Right. |
| 12:23 | drojf | can you disable the nvidia in bios? |
| 12:23 | cait | sorry, already getting bit confused here... meh. |
| 12:23 | drojf: yeah, I did theat | |
| 12:23 | drojf | ok |
| 12:24 | cait | there are 3 settings, nvidia, optimus and integrated |
| 12:24 | drojf | but it still tries to use it for external monitor? |
| 12:24 | cait | the external just doesn't work at all... I was trying to find out why |
| 12:24 | drojf | nvidia and optimus? ok i thought the optimus is nvidia and guessed the integrated is intel. now im confused |
| 12:24 | eythian | http://askubuntu.com/questions[…]ys-with-bumblebee <-- I think the problem boils down to "nvidia hates you" |
| 12:25 | cait | no, I think you are right |
| 12:25 | eythian | drojf: no |
| 12:25 | cait | eythian: that's not helpful! |
| 12:25 | * cait | doesn't want to be hated... |
| 12:25 | jcamins | http://zachstechnotes.blogspot[…]hinkpad-w520.html |
| 12:25 | eythian | "optimus" is a dual nvidia-integrated thing, it'll "seamlessly" switch between them depending on graphics load and battery needs. |
| 12:26 | jcamins | http://zachstechnotes.blogspot[…]4/post-title.html |
| 12:27 | * jcamins | would go with option 2 on that first page, at least to start with. |
| 12:27 | cait | I am still reading :) |
| 12:28 | jcamins: I tried hat... and I ended up on command line | |
| 12:28 | drojf | cait: http://www.produnis.de/blog/?p=1506 it's about a docking station, but that may be irrelevant for the graphics part |
| 12:29 | jcamins | cait: oh, you already installed and enabled the drivers? |
| 12:29 | You'll have to enable the drivers the first time from the TTY, I suspect. | |
| 12:30 | cait | the package manager shows nvidia-common as installed |
| 12:30 | jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current < this doesn't work | |
| 12:30 | says unknown driver | |
| 12:30 | jcamins | It's nvidia-current that you need. |
| 12:30 | cait | oh yes typo |
| 12:30 | but that is installed | |
| 12:30 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 12:31 | Not sure, then, sorry. :( | |
| 12:31 | Maybe try xorg:nvidia-current? | |
| 12:31 | cait | yeah, I tried that - instead of _ - still the same |
| 12:32 | jcamins | sudo modprobe nvidia-current |
| 12:32 | eythian | no -current on the module I think |
| 12:32 | jcamins | ^^ does that do anything? |
| 12:32 | eythian | I don't think you drive the nvidia side in linux anyway |
| 12:32 | cait | fatal: module nvidia not found |
| 12:33 | jcamins | eythian: the instructions on that page were how to use the nVidia card. |
| 12:33 | eythian | oh right |
| 12:33 | cait | I think it should be possible and maybe it even worked in the past... but not totally sure |
| 12:33 | *sigh* | |
| 12:33 | ok | |
| 12:33 | more ideas hints? | |
| 12:33 | eythian | you can tab-complete modprobe |
| 12:33 | so 'sudo modprobe nv<tab>' | |
| 12:34 | jcamins | sudo dkms status |
| 12:34 | cait | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_current (/lib/modules/3.2.0-25-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_current.ko): No such device |
| 12:34 | jcamins: nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.0.0-17-generic, x86_64: installed | |
| 12:34 | nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.2.0-24-generic, x86_64: installed | |
| 12:34 | nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.2.0-25-generic, x86_64: installed | |
| 12:34 | nvidia-current-updates, 295.49, 3.2.0-24-generic, x86_64: installed | |
| 12:34 | nvidia-current-updates, 295.49, 3.2.0-25-generic, x86_64: installed | |
| 12:34 | ah sorry, looked not so much on the screen | |
| 12:34 | eythian | I guess they renamed the module since I last looked. |
| 12:35 | do you maybe have the nvidia bit turned off in the bios? | |
| 12:35 | jcamins | Okay, so it's installed but not loadable. |
| 12:35 | cait | eythian: I kinda had to to come back... |
| 12:35 | ok | |
| 12:35 | eythian | you can't load the module if it's turned off I'd expect |
| 12:35 | jcamins | cait: right, so you need to enable discrete graphics in the BIOS, and then do the jocky-text bit. |
| 12:35 | cait | ok |
| 12:35 | Iwill be back, thx all for helping me :) | |
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| 12:48 | cait-m__ | grrr |
| 12:48 | old laptop hates the access point | |
| 12:48 | no luck with my devices today | |
| 12:49 | ok trapped on command line... what can i do? | |
| 12:50 | jcamins | Did you try sudo modprobe nvidia-current? |
| 12:52 | eythian | and/or jockey-text |
| 12:52 | cait-m__ | did now - no output |
| 12:52 | eythian | to which? |
| 12:52 | cait-m__ | jockey says the same as before , |
| 12:53 | none indtalled | |
| 12:53 | eythian | > C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.08.01.002 at /home/robin/kohaclones/ca/opac/opac-tags.pl line 41. |
| 12:53 | jcamins | Okay, that means the modprobe line probably succeeded. |
| 12:53 | Run startx? | |
| 12:54 | Or maybe just switch to VT-8? | |
| 12:54 | cait-m__ | hm have to wait for jockey right now |
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| 12:55 | magnuse | eythian: bug 8315 |
| 12:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha |
| 12:56 | eythian | magnuse: cheers |
| 12:56 | looks like I'll be able to test and sign-off on this... | |
| 12:56 | nengard | can someone remind me how to find conflicts in a file that i'm trying to commit? |
| 12:57 | jcamins | Search for <<< |
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| 12:57 | magnuse | eythian++ |
| 12:57 | jcamins | But you had to apply the patch with 3-way merge. |
| 12:57 | (git am -3iu patchfile) | |
| 12:57 | eythian | I think the conflict markers appear the same no matter what merge type you use |
| 12:58 | cait-m__ | i tried the jockey line from the wesite takes forever no output |
| 12:58 | nengard | thanks jcamins |
| 12:58 | for some reason i thought it was ---- | |
| 12:59 | eythian | it's ==== in the middle |
| 12:59 | cait-m__ | hmm startx looks not good |
| 13:01 | failed to liad module nv | |
| 13:02 | api mismatch between driver component and kernel mkdule? | |
| 13:02 | that could be the problem maybe? | |
| 13:02 | jcamins | nv? |
| 13:02 | You don't want to load nv. You want to use nvidia. | |
| 13:02 | I think. | |
| 13:03 | Maybe. | |
| 13:10 | cait-m__ | hmpf :-( |
| 13:12 | drojf | blacklist nv |
| 13:12 | cait-m__ | ? |
| 13:12 | drojf | you can blacklist the module if you dont want to use it |
| 13:13 | cait-m__ | dont think thats the prob |
| 13:13 | eythian | it sounds like it is |
| 13:13 | well, part of it | |
| 13:14 | Am I wrong, or does bug 8062 introduce a dependency on HTML::FormatText and not declare it? | |
| 13:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8062 critical, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Cart email broken for non english templates |
| 13:15 | eythian | I can't actually see that it uses it |
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| 13:16 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 13:16 | cait | hah |
| 13:17 | ok, first problem solved | |
| 13:17 | bot the second laptop to connect to the internet | |
| 13:17 | that's progress | |
| 13:17 | jcamins | cait: you probably need to uninstall the nvidia module, then reinstall. |
| 13:17 | cait | ok... |
| 13:17 | tell me how maybe? | |
| 13:17 | sorry, my linux vocabulary is still terrible :( | |
| 13:18 | sudo apt-get remove nvidia_current? | |
| 13:18 | eythian | apt-get install --reinstall ... |
| 13:18 | cait | ok |
| 13:18 | trying | |
| 13:19 | and for the record... the second screen works on my old old old laptop without any problems... only had to plug it in :( | |
| 13:20 | eythian: I did it, no change in xstart | |
| 13:20 | eythian | this is because nvidia hates you |
| 13:20 | cait | I can feel it |
| 13:21 | eythian | not that that's helpful I'm afraid. |
| 13:22 | drojf | cait: got the nv message again? |
| 13:22 | cait | yeah, not helpful :) |
| 13:22 | drojf: if you want I can sent you a photo of the screen... heh | |
| 13:22 | the first 2 errors from starx are: | |
| 13:23 | Failed to load module 'nv' (module does not exist) | |
| 13:24 | then: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has ersion 295.49 but this NVIDIA driver component has version 295.40. Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA drier components have the same version | |
| 13:24 | and some more errors along those lines after that | |
| 13:24 | eythian | when you did the reinstall, did it do dkms stuff? |
| 13:25 | like "rebuilding module" | |
| 13:25 | cait | it was a long list of things |
| 13:25 | not sure... | |
| 13:26 | some blog post suggests blacklisting nv - but blacklist does not exist as command | |
| 13:26 | drojf | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 13:26 | add "blacklist nv" | |
| 13:26 | and add "blacklist nouveau" while you are there | |
| 13:27 | also i suggested that before the blog post :P | |
| 13:28 | cait | I did add both lines, same output for startx |
| 13:28 | drojf | reboot |
| 13:30 | * jcamins | is glad drojf actually knows something about all this... he was just making stuff up that sounded good. ;) |
| 13:31 | drojf | i had to do that somewhen, long ago. but it worked then |
| 13:31 | also http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers agrees | |
| 13:31 | cait | restarting |
| 13:31 | drojf | good luck |
| 13:31 | cait | and thx again to all helping :) |
| 13:32 | drojf: I have a desktop! | |
| 13:32 | drojf | helping each other: cait-drojf 1000:1 <-- now \o/ |
| 13:32 | woohoo | |
| 13:33 | cait | lol |
| 13:33 | not sure yet it's really using the nvidia thing... but I have a desktop | |
| 13:33 | trying to find out now :) | |
| 13:33 | drojf | heh |
| 13:34 | jcamins | It probably is using nvidia, because you disabled the Intel graphics. |
| 13:34 | cait | it shoudl |
| 13:34 | but I am not trusting it | |
| 13:34 | how can I check? | |
| 13:35 | hm xrandr looks different now | |
| 13:35 | jcamins | It'll be somewhere in your X log |
| 13:36 | cait | ok= |
| 13:36 | ? | |
| 13:36 | * jcamins | doesn't know exactly where that would be. <-- no X |
| 13:39 | * drojf | inhales gummy bear |
| 13:39 | drojf | s |
| 13:39 | cait | heh |
| 13:39 | does that help my problem? | |
| 13:40 | drojf | it helps watching ;) |
| 13:40 | sekjal | aaaand, that makes 5 meetings today, starting in 20 min, and going straight through the rest of the workday |
| 13:40 | jcamins | sekjal: productive day! |
| 13:40 | drojf | depends on the meetings ;) |
| 13:41 | cait | hm |
| 13:41 | sekjal | 1 Q&A session, 1 survey discussion, 1 committee meeting, 2 website consultations |
| 13:41 | cait | more suggestons? |
| 13:41 | eythian | cait: run nvidia-settings |
| 13:41 | if it works, nvidia. If not, not. | |
| 13:42 | cait | runs |
| 13:42 | eythian | (and says something useful, like what you have plugged in) |
| 13:43 | rather than just "hey, you don't seem to have an nvidia card" | |
| 13:43 | cait | no |
| 13:43 | lots of tabs with configuration options | |
| 13:44 | jcamins | Definitely using nvida, then. Still no working external monitor? |
| 13:45 | eythian | what does the appropriate configuration screen say? |
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| 13:46 | cait | no working external monitor |
| 13:46 | eythian | why not? |
| 13:46 | cait | and switching this here back so I cna copy and paste :) |
| 13:46 | eythian | what does the nvidia-settings say about your monitor? |
| 13:46 | cait1 | ook |
| 13:46 | drojf | unplug and put in again? |
| 13:46 | eythian | and click the detect button? |
| 13:46 | jcamins | mveron: I like your suggestion on bug 8058 a lot. |
| 13:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8058 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , Circulation empty barcode field redirect to pay fines screen if borrower has outstanding fines |
| 13:47 | cait1 | eythian: tried it - no change |
| 13:47 | eythian | does it not see it? |
| 13:47 | mveron | jcamins: Thanks :-) |
| 13:48 | cait1 | eythian: exactly |
| 13:48 | http://paste.koha-community.org/7 | |
| 13:48 | that's from running xrandr | |
| 13:49 | eythian | that looks relatively normal for having one screen... |
| 13:49 | jcamins | 320 x 175? Why would anyone want to do that? |
| 13:49 | cait1: are you trying with VGA or DisplayPort? | |
| 13:49 | cait1 | vga |
| 13:49 | jcamins | Darn. That's what I was going to suggest you do. :( |
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| 13:49 | cait1 | I have no other cable... so anything else would require a trip to the shop right now |
| 13:49 | hi maximep and mrenvoize | |
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| 13:50 | maximep | good morning =) |
| 13:50 | mrenvoize | Good morning.. |
| 13:51 | cait1 | drojf, jcamins: before it said nothing was plugged in - now it does not now about vga at all? |
| 13:51 | * jcamins | speculates wildly that maybe there's a box somewhere in the configuration program that you have to check to enable the VGA interface. |
| 13:52 | cait1 | aha |
| 13:52 | heh | |
| 13:54 | drojf | cait1: in the nvidia program or the general graphics settings? |
| 13:54 | cait1 | searching |
| 13:54 | wahanui | well, searching is not working |
| 13:55 | eythian | does anyone see "webpage has expired" messages in the staff client when the back button is use with IE? |
| 13:55 | drojf | also http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Disper |
| 13:55 | eythian | and know what to do about it? |
| 13:56 | (aside from the obvious) | |
| 13:56 | sekjal | meeting time |
| 13:56 | wahanui | somebody said meeting time was always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 13:56 | sekjal | later, all |
| 13:56 | cait1 | eythian: I think it#s a known bug with ie |
| 13:56 | might be on bugzilla too | |
| 13:56 | eythian | cait1: OK cool. In that case, I can just tell them that. |
| 13:56 | cait1 | and I think there was no solution (afaik) |
| 13:56 | jcamins | eythian: there's nothing to do about it. |
| 13:57 | eythian | http://answers.microsoft.com/e[…]b4f7-439b7348194f <-- "solution" |
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| 13:59 | cait1 | brb ( I hope) |
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| 14:01 | schuster | I have a question about opac language and setting cookies. I am seeing a lot of errors in my koha-opac-error-log and was investigating. Templates.pm calls to look at the KohaOpacLanguage cookie, but I'm not seeing it set when I go into pac anywhere. |
| 14:01 | Is anyone else getting that cookie? 3.6.5 Koha. | |
| 14:01 | I used one of the demo systems and don't see the cookie get set there either...??? | |
| 14:01 | eythian | I have seen it, not sure what situations it comes up in, maybe only when you change from the default? |
| 14:02 | jcamins | schuster: there was a problem with that recently, I think. |
| 14:03 | Did you look in bugzilla? | |
| 14:03 | cait | ohfun |
| 14:03 | installed a different nvidia driver and now I can#t log into my system??? | |
| 14:03 | jcamins | Uh-oh. |
| 14:04 | drojf | hm |
| 14:04 | cait | yeah |
| 14:04 | uhoh :( | |
| 14:04 | *cries* | |
| 14:04 | eythian | from the gui or the command line? |
| 14:05 | cait | gui |
| 14:05 | eythian | hmm ok |
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| 14:06 | schuster | I did go to bugz and there was a problem but it reffered to the staff client only. |
| 14:07 | cait | eythian: no, not ok. grrrrr. |
| 14:07 | ;) | |
| 14:07 | drojf | cait: cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log |
| 14:07 | says the internet | |
| 14:07 | eythian | maybe your vga plug is broken? |
| 14:07 | jcamins | Hm. I thought there was something about the OPAC. |
| 14:10 | cait | ok |
| 14:11 | logged in as my koha user (thatworked ... not sure why | |
| 14:11 | and I got the second screen working for a minute | |
| 14:11 | in "twinview" | |
| 14:11 | so I think we can at least rule out broken hardware | |
| 14:13 | eythian | OK |
| 14:14 | twinview is nvidia's "special" way of doing dual screen. | |
| 14:14 | future releases are going to be able to use xrandr apparently | |
| 14:15 | cait | drojf: says the internet about my logging in problem? do you have a link? |
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| 14:16 | tcohen | does anyone have +30 koha's in the same server with cron-ed zebra -z every minute? |
| 14:16 | cait | drojf: I would really like to fix that :( |
| 14:17 | lol | |
| 14:17 | now i can't log in as my normal user... but dual screen works... | |
| 14:17 | jcamins | tcohen: no. |
| 14:17 | * cait | laughs hysterically |
| 14:17 | drojf | i think that link was not really helpful, only if you have the same error. they also said something about disabling ubuntu splash screen |
| 14:17 | mom | |
| 14:17 | http://superuser.com/questions[…]-ubuntu-10-04-lts | |
| 14:17 | jcamins | tcohen: I use fredericd's daemon. |
| 14:18 | tcohen | jcamins: using cron does not scale for us. Using a daemon does |
| 14:18 | jcamins | tcohen: agreed. That's why I use the daemon. |
| 14:18 | tcohen | i'll give it a try |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Though I don't have 30+ instances. |
| 14:18 | Do you use packages? | |
| 14:18 | tcohen | no |
| 14:19 | we have our own svn for deployment | |
| 14:19 | jcamins | In that case my modifications of fredericd's daemon won't be helpful. |
| 14:19 | Which is just as well, since I still haven't set up a new public git repo. | |
| 14:19 | tcohen | will it be included into koha any time soon? |
| 14:20 | jcamins | No, you just install it using apt or cpan. |
| 14:20 | tcohen | i didnnt have the time to set a deb building service for our infrastructure |
| 14:20 | i'm trying to convince our users to accept the stock koha | |
| 14:21 | but we added some fancy stuff to our 3.0.x setup | |
| 14:21 | they don't want to lose | |
| 14:21 | jcamins | tcohen: I don't use stock Koha. |
| 14:22 | tcohen | but you build your own packages.. ? |
| 14:22 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 14:22 | tcohen | how hard is to set everything for tha? |
| 14:22 | jcamins | Instead of using the recommended flyswatter for killing that gnat, I use an ICBM! |
| 14:22 | https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools | |
| 14:24 | tcohen | i just understand the meaning of a few of that words! |
| 14:25 | jcamins | tcohen: hehe. |
| 14:25 | tcohen: if you look at release-tool.pl in that repo, it does basically everything. | |
| 14:25 | tcohen | intercontinental ballistic missile? |
| 14:25 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 14:25 | tcohen | hehe |
| 14:25 | jcamins | Open up release-tool.pl, and you'll see what I mean. |
| 14:25 | Normal people have a ~10 line script. | |
| 14:26 | I have a 1000-line script. | |
| 14:26 | (with, granted, several hundred lines of POD) | |
| 14:26 | tcohen | ! |
| 14:26 | an ICBM! | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | Told ya. :P |
| 14:27 | I should probably have a list of packages that are required for release-tool.pl to work. | |
| 14:28 | You need that, and you need this: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_Debian_Packages | |
| 14:29 | cait | ... and all because I wanted a second screen... |
| 14:30 | eythian | cait: remember the hating bit? |
| 14:32 | ryehex | We want to migrate our old koha db from 3.00.01.005 to a clean 3.8 koha install. I read that tables 'sessions' and 'zebraqueue' have no value to migrate over. Is there anything in the 'deleted*' or 'import_*' tables that is necessary to migrate the the new install? |
| 14:32 | jcamins | ryehex: keep deleted_*, but you can remove all the import_* |
| 14:32 | drojf | cait: what came out of the greeter log thingy? |
| 14:33 | cait | eythian: it burns... |
| 14:33 | drojf: working on it | |
| 14:33 | eythian | ryehex: it's not usual to do it at such a low level that this is something you'll encounter. |
| 14:33 | usually you just work on the database as a whole, not individual tables. | |
| 14:34 | jcamins | ryehex: also, what eythian said. |
| 14:34 | drojf | cait: you should be able to get in using startx. but that is not the direct way… |
| 14:34 | cait | seems there is no such file? |
| 14:35 | drojf | what desktop are you using? |
| 14:35 | cait | drojf: ? |
| 14:35 | eythian | look in /var/log/lightdm |
| 14:36 | gdm is not used in ubuntu 12.04 | |
| 14:36 | drojf | ok, link was old probably |
| 14:36 | jcamins | Oh, speaking of which. |
| 14:36 | I found a desktop manager I really liked. | |
| 14:36 | I've forgotten which one, but it was startlingly nice. | |
| 14:36 | ryehex | u mean just let koha do the db updates and I shouldn't worry about specific tables? |
| 14:36 | jcamins | ryehex: right. |
| 14:38 | cait | hmfound the file now, but what am I looking for? |
| 14:38 | ryehex | ok cool |
| 14:39 | eythian | errors and such from when you tried to log in but it failed |
| 14:39 | (also, what exactly is happening when you try and it doesn't work?) | |
| 14:40 | cait | it goes black for a second, then some lines of text are shown (too short to read anything) and I am back on the log in screen - there is no error message like wrong password |
| 14:40 | drojf | this is because the pw is ok ; |
| 14:40 | ;) | |
| 14:40 | but the lines that appear shortly should be in the log | |
| 14:41 | eythian | yeah, there was a bug where it just sat there doing nothing after entering the password, about 50% of the time |
| 14:41 | that was fixed though | |
| 14:41 | drojf | also you could disable the ubuntu splash screen on startup and see if that helps. i think nosplash in grub |
| 14:42 | cait | someone else said a problem with the xserver dying? |
| 14:43 | eythian | that is what it sounds like |
| 14:43 | try the nosplash thing | |
| 14:43 | jcamins | Any errors that show up during boot should also show up in dmesg. |
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| 14:44 | jcamins | drojf1: how do you pronounce your nick? I have been wondering this for ages. |
| 14:45 | drojf1 | just like it's written ;) |
| 14:45 | * jcamins | isn't a German speaker. |
| 14:45 | cait | or you read it and say mirko |
| 14:45 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:45 | drojf1 | heh |
| 14:45 | * jcamins | will go with that option. |
| 14:46 | tcohen | jcamins, when you have the time, please send me that version of fredericd's daemon |
| 14:46 | eythian | really we should use a real queuing system |
| 14:46 | jcamins | tcohen: if I can figure out how to create a new repo on github quickly, I'll push it now. |
| 14:46 | eythian: agreed. | |
| 14:47 | tcohen | thanks |
| 14:47 | * jcamins | isn't really satisfied with his modified daemon, but at least it works. |
| 14:47 | jcamins | What it really *should* be doing is using one event loop. |
| 14:47 | But Perl OO is weird. | |
| 14:48 | schuster | jcamins - found the patch that was pushed thanks! |
| 14:48 | jcamins | (and I couldn't figure out how to attach an object to an event) |
| 14:48 | schuster | To fix my pac error messages.. |
| 14:48 | jcamins | schuster: excellent! |
| 14:48 | I thought I'd seen that at some point. | |
| 14:51 | eythian | @wunder brighton, uk |
| 14:51 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 16.4°C (3:45 PM BST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:54 | jcamins | tcohen: I'm uploading now. |
| 14:54 | tcohen | :-D |
| 14:54 | jcamins | It should be finished with that soon. |
| 14:55 | tcohen: https://github.com/jcamins/tamilcontribs | |
| 14:55 | Another thing for my to-do list: public git repo. | |
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| 14:58 | hdl1 | tcohen: you also have that on git.tamil.fr:tools iirc |
| 14:58 | jcamins | hdl1: I modified it. |
| 14:59 | fredericd's original daemon code creates one daemon per instance. | |
| 14:59 | I create one daemon with one process per instance. | |
| 14:59 | hdl1 | jcamins: And now you can send merge request to Frederic :D |
| 15:00 | jcamins | hdl1: yes, I plan to. :D |
| 15:00 | I've been meaning to figure out how to push that to a public repo for weeks now. | |
| 15:00 | tcohen++ # for giving me a reason to do it _now_ | |
| 15:00 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:01 | tcohen | hahha |
| 15:03 | cait | nvidia-- |
| 15:03 | drojf++ jcamins++ eythian++ | |
| 15:03 | drojf | can you log in again? |
| 15:03 | jcamins | @karma |
| 15:03 | huginn | jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (594), "oleonard" (517), and "wizzyrea" (346). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-84), and "-" (-51). You (jcamins) are ranked 4 out of 2131. |
| 15:03 | jcamins | @karma jcamins |
| 15:03 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 342 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 341. |
| 15:03 | jcamins | Ooh. |
| 15:03 | * jcamins | is catching up to wizzyrea! |
| 15:04 | drojf | Lowest karma: "<!" (-109) <- haha |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 15:04 | <!++ | |
| 15:04 | drojf | :D |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | ;) |
| 15:04 | jcamins | @karma <! |
| 15:04 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "<!" has been increased 8 times and decreased 116 times for a total karma of -108. |
| 15:04 | mveron | @karma mveron |
| 15:04 | huginn | mveron: Karma for "mveron" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29. |
| 15:04 | jcamins | It's been increased eight times! |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | hehe yea |
| 15:04 | pity party, probably | |
| 15:04 | drojf | poor <! |
| 15:05 | eythian | @karma C |
| 15:05 | huginn | eythian: Karma for "C" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. |
| 15:05 | jcamins | Hehe. |
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| 15:08 | cait | drojf: not yet |
| 15:09 | hehe | |
| 15:09 | now | |
| 15:09 | oook | |
| 15:09 | now going to try the second screen again... | |
| 15:11 | paul_p | hey, <!-- is the syntax for HTML::Template, we used before Template::Toolkit ! |
| 15:11 | costed <! a lot of -- :D :D | |
| 15:11 | <!-- TMPL_VAR name="somevariable" --> is now [% (somevariable) %] | |
| 15:13 | jcamins | paul_p: look at that, H:T:P lost karma just by existing. |
| 15:13 | cait | heh:) |
| 15:14 | ok... crossing fingers that I will have 2 working screens and a working login soon | |
| 15:15 | drojf | cait: i still had this here from before… http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/nvi[…]etzliche-Monitore http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Gra[…]schirme-betreiben http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Disper one of these is going to help |
| 15:16 | but it will probably just work now :) | |
| 15:16 | only took, like, hours? | |
| 15:17 | cait | omg |
| 15:17 | it wors! | |
| 15:18 | works even | |
| 15:18 | and it's super fast | |
| 15:18 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 15:18 | drojf | well that was easy |
| 15:18 | :) | |
| 15:19 | cait | in case someone wants to know: activating the second screen from the nvidia tools works and the login was wrong permissions on .Xauthority in my home directoy |
| 15:19 | drojf | where did the wrong permissions come from? |
| 15:19 | the nvidia driver? | |
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| 15:20 | drojf | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu[…]ghtdm/+bug/871667 sounds great |
| 15:20 | cait | no idea :( |
| 15:21 | probably | |
| 15:23 | thx again everyone forkeeping me sane and keeping my laptop from flying out the window :) | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:23 | drojf | hehe |
| 15:24 | cait | the only good thing about problems like this is that I learn something new everytime :) |
| 15:24 | jcamins | :) |
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| 15:27 | eythian | cait: however next time you'll probably buy a laptop with just intel graphics, and everything will be nice and happy anyway. |
| 15:28 | cait | probably :) |
| 15:28 | jcamins | eythian: fortunately, now that it's working, cait will probably not need to get another laptop for years. |
| 15:28 | cait | but next time is still far away - I tend to use my hardware for a longer time |
| 15:29 | jcamins: exactly hehe | |
| 15:29 | eythian | yeah, the manufacturers goal for the one I got was about a 6 year lifetime. |
| 15:29 | I could probably see that, too | |
| 15:29 | cait | mine is not even 1 year old yet |
| 15:29 | eythian | mine is about a month. |
| 15:29 | tcohen | hdl1: can you elaborate on how to test bug 8071? |
| 15:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8071 blocker, P1 - high, ---, henridamien.laurent, Needs Signoff , link beween bib and authorities with the authid |
| 15:29 | jcamins | I don't imagine my laptop is going to last 6 years, but I expect it will last me three or four. |
| 15:30 | Though it will have to be supplemented by a desktop at some point, the same as my last one was for the last year or two. | |
| 15:30 | nengard | can anyone tell that i'm working on the 3.10 manual? lots of string fixes submitted today :) |
| 15:30 | jcamins | nengard: yes, I had a feeling. :) |
| 15:30 | nengard | hehe |
| 15:31 | jcamins | nengard: Shari will be submitting patches to the manual once she's learned Docbook. :) |
| 15:31 | nengard | don't need to learn docbook - just xmleditor from xxe |
| 15:31 | that's what i use | |
| 15:31 | it's on the wiki | |
| 15:32 | jcamins | Ooh, interesting. |
| 15:32 | * jcamins | never saw that before. |
| 15:33 | drojf | unfree. unfree. *hides* |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Hm, but it's shareware? |
| 15:33 | Eww. | |
| 15:35 | nengard | it's freeware - not shareware and it works and I don't have an open source/free option to use |
| 15:35 | jcamins | nengard: it says you can only use it 30 days? |
| 15:35 | nengard | i'm a practical computer user - if it works I use it - if it's open source that's better - but I'm not gonna not use something just cause it's not open source |
| 15:36 | jcamins | Or is there a missing "or" there? |
| 15:36 | nengard | I have the free personal version - |
| 15:36 | forever free | |
| 15:36 | let me find it | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | Okay, that's fine then. |
| 15:36 | eythian | xmlcopyeditor? |
| 15:36 | nengard | http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/download.shtml |
| 15:36 | jcamins | I just read the license, and it looked like it was saying you could use it for 30 days on open source projects. |
| 15:36 | However, I didn't read it closely. | |
| 15:37 | nengard | eythian, that doesn't look like a visual editor |
| 15:37 | that's a code editor | |
| 15:37 | and I need something that works on Mac OSX | |
| 15:38 | Trust me others have come before you all when we first looked for an option for the manual - and this is what we ended up picking | |
| 15:38 | * eythian | doesn't use OSX because he's a practical computer user who doesn't want other people to have control of what I can do. |
| 15:38 | cait | lol |
| 15:39 | sorry | |
| 15:39 | eythian | jcamins: no, it's 30 days if it's not an open source project |
| 15:39 | jcamins | eythian: oh, that's okay then. |
| 15:39 | eythian | (or non profit or educational) |
| 15:39 | * eythian | doesn't approve of restricting usage of something either |
| 15:39 | jcamins | You're right. It doesn't say anything about "in thirty days I'm turning into a lemon bwahaha" when I start it. |
| 15:40 | eythian | > Licensee may use the Software for the purpose of evaluation of XMLmind XML Editor, for a limited time period that shall not exceed 30 days. |
| 15:40 | if you're not matching a condition above, it turns into a legal lemon. | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Got it. |
| 15:40 | drojf | a legal lemon is called a lime |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 15:41 | drojf | whats with this? http://www.syntext.com/products/serna/index.html |
| 15:42 | eythian | http://www.syntext.com/products/serna-free/ <-- this one maybe |
| 15:42 | drojf | or http://www.syntext.com/products/serna-free/ rather. i dont see the license but there was gpl in a wikipedia list |
| 15:42 | yes | |
| 15:43 | jcamins | drojf: it's open source, but it asks you to contact them to download it? |
| 15:43 | eythian | jcamins: nope |
| 15:43 | http://downloads.syntext.com/serna-free/ | |
| 15:43 | drojf | http://downloads.syntext.com/serna-free/ |
| 15:43 | narf | |
| 15:44 | should actually look in the window before pasting | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Well, they have a lousy website. |
| 15:44 | eythian | they do |
| 15:44 | jcamins | That doesn't seem to be linked from any of the links that say "Downloads." |
| 15:44 | nengard | how about we let people use what they want to use - as long as you submit valid code I don't care what tool you use - we should all have the "freedom" to make our own decisions |
| 15:45 | * jcamins | doesn't care. |
| 15:45 | eythian | because we were seeing if there was a properly free visual editor out there. |
| 15:45 | drojf | nengard: i did not want to take away your freedom to choose a non-free product |
| 15:45 | * wizzyrea | gets the popcorn |
| 15:45 | jcamins | I've never been on the market for an XML editor before, but I'd like the best one. |
| 15:46 | eythian | Because I'd rather not use non-free stuff, and haven't learnt the docbook schema yet. |
| 15:46 | nengard | I don't know what the best one is today - but when we switched to docbook I tried a bunch - this was the best for me personally |
| 15:46 | eythian, you can use whatever you want - that's what I'm saying - as long as the code comes across right I don't care what tool others use and they shouldn't care what I use | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | nengard: I will let you know which the best one is today. |
| 15:46 | At least out of those two, since I don't care enough to look for other options myself. :) | |
| 15:47 | nengard | okay |
| 15:47 | drojf | jcamins: i had oxygen for a university class. i think its ~$350 |
| 15:47 | ;) | |
| 15:47 | jcamins | drojf: yeah, oXygen is very popular. If I do a lot of XML editing, I'll consider it. |
| 15:47 | eythian | nengard: I'd moved on from a commentary on what you use onto seeing what was out there :) |
| 15:47 | nengard | okey dokey |
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| 15:49 | eythian | this said, I can't actually work with visual editors. |
| 15:49 | Writing a thesis in LaTeX broke me of that ability. | |
| 15:49 | * wizzyrea | pats eythian |
| 15:49 | drojf | and that's a good thing |
| 15:49 | jcamins | Pfeh. Serna wins, I think. |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | I've used serna, it's alright |
| 15:50 | eythian | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBook <-- this I'm going to have to read in more depth |
| 15:50 | drojf | my download did not even finish, they also have a slow website |
| 15:50 | eythian | (also, see the programs list at the bottom) |
| 15:50 | drojf | jcamins: how did you try that already? |
| 15:50 | eythian | It's time I updated the manual pages really. |
| 15:50 | jcamins | drojf: I opened up the same sample in both. |
| 15:50 | (a sample that was included with Serna) | |
| 15:51 | eythian | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBookEditors <-- also a good list |
| 15:51 | (mostly not visual) | |
| 15:51 | jcamins | Yeah, Serna wins my vote. It shows you the structure. |
| 15:52 | drojf | ah its in kate. thats enough for me i guess |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Yay! Awesome selection from the CSA this week! |
| 15:53 | :D | |
| 15:53 | :D | |
| 15:53 | Maybe we'll even get fennel! | |
| 15:54 | eythian | You get fennel from the Celiac Sprue Association? |
| 15:54 | drojf | i've seen you talk about fennel before. you seem like a fennatic |
| 15:54 | jcamins | Community-Supported Agriculture. |
| 15:54 | drojf: blame cait. | |
| 15:54 | It is *all* her fault. | |
| 15:54 | drojf | she made fennel good? |
| 15:55 | cait | heh :) |
| 15:55 | jcamins | Also lots of lettuce. |
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| 15:55 | jcamins | And zucchini. |
| 15:55 | And blueberries! | |
| 15:55 | And summer savory and lemon thyme! | |
| 15:55 | cait | drojf: apparently I have a fennel salad recipe that meets international taste |
| 15:56 | jcamins | And black turtle beans, pinto beans, wheat berries, hard red spring wheat, farro, whole wheat pastry flour, and cornmeal! |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | cait's fennel salad is uh may zing. |
| 15:56 | * jcamins | does a happy dance, and wishes it were here now so he could have a huge salad. |
| 15:56 | drojf | i try to not eat wheat, seems its not good for me. you can have it all ;) |
| 15:56 | jcamins | drojf: I love baking. |
| 15:56 | Though I need to clean my oven before I can do it again. | |
| 15:56 | drojf | i bake with spelt now. or what that is called in english |
| 15:57 | jcamins | Spelt. |
| 15:57 | Or, "expensive." | |
| 15:57 | :P | |
| 15:57 | drojf | not so much here |
| 15:57 | jcamins | I think it's $1/lb! |
| 15:57 | drojf | the bigger problem is that you cannot eat anything outside. or somehow processed |
| 15:57 | jcamins | $1+! |
| 15:58 | drojf | i did not even try in edinburgh |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Often $2/lb. |
| 15:58 | drojf: oh, you should have told me. There are two restaurants that have special Celiac-friendly menus. | |
| 15:58 | (probably more, but I only went to two with any regularity) | |
| 15:59 | * wizzyrea | is strongly considering going gluten-restricted |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | (I don't want to say "gluten free" because, well, life is too short to not enjoy bread now and then) |
| 15:59 | drojf | jcamins: discovered by accident a little time before edinburgh. after baking and eating spelt bread for a week and feeling much better suddenly |
| 16:00 | * jcamins | couldn't do it. |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | ^^^ is a common refrain |
| 16:00 | (both) | |
| 16:00 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 16:00 | drojf | i think its doable as long as i can cook for myself |
| 16:00 | jcamins | I know that I definitely don't have any gluten sensitivity (or at least didn't used to), because I went on a gluten free diet for about four months. |
| 16:00 | drojf | have not tried much baking, as in sweet things |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | they tell me coconut flour works well. |
| 16:01 | jcamins | Which is good, because I looooove baking, and $0.45/lb is a lot more affordable than $1.5-2/lb |
| 16:02 | drojf | wizzyrea: ounds interesting. not sure where to get that here |
| 16:02 | sounds even | |
| 16:02 | jcamins | wizzyrea: coconut flour? Never heard of it. |
| 16:02 | I have some rice flour, though. | |
| 16:02 | drojf | i have some too, have not used it yet |
| 16:03 | jcamins | I'm trying to cut down on wheat by judiciously mixing other varieties of flour. |
| 16:03 | drojf | omg |
| 16:03 | coconut flour is REALLY expensive | |
| 16:04 | jcamins | drojf: what? You didn't realize we were all such geeks about baking? |
| 16:04 | Ah. | |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | yes, that was what I understood about it |
| 16:04 | * jcamins | dies. |
| 16:04 | drojf | like in 5€+ for a pound |
| 16:04 | jcamins | drojf: consider yourself lucky. |
| 16:05 | Right, we're just going to grind our own coconut flour. | |
| 16:05 | Possibly in a blender. | |
| 16:05 | Which we don't own. | |
| 16:05 | Anyway. | |
| 16:05 | Koha, yeah. | |
| 16:05 | :) | |
| 16:07 | drojf | meh too lazy to drive home |
| 16:08 | * mveron | wishes a nice evening (or other daytime) to everybody. Good bye :-) |
| 16:08 | jcamins | drojf: but you could buy fennel on the way home... |
| 16:08 | drojf | jcamins: or coconut flour |
| 16:08 | wahanui | coconut flour is REALLY expensive |
| 16:08 | drojf | heh |
| 16:09 | actually i would like something else | |
| 16:09 | jcamins | drojf: lettuce? |
| 16:09 | We're going to have such a yummy salad... | |
| 16:09 | I guess I'll make blueberry vinaigrette. | |
| 16:09 | (I can no longer eat store-bought salad dressing... it's just so disappointing, every time) | |
| 16:10 | drojf | no… a spätzle grater, or what that may be in english. because i would like to make spelt spätzle :) |
| 16:10 | seems they are spaetzle in english | |
| 16:12 | ok hungry, will manage to leave the office :) see you later #koha | |
| 16:15 | jcamins | There are spaetzle *graters*? |
| 16:15 | TIRTMI! | |
| 16:17 | cait | hehe yes they are |
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| 16:17 | cait | you can do them 2 ways |
| 16:17 | http://www.amazon.de/Sp%C3%A4t[…]1340727458&sr=8-2 with something like this | |
| 16:18 | or someting like this | |
| 16:18 | http://www.amazon.de/St%C3%A4d[…]1340727487&sr=1-1 | |
| 16:18 | and there are some variants... | |
| 16:18 | tirtm? | |
| 16:18 | * cait | goes back to dusting |
| 16:19 | jcamins_away | This is Relevant To My Interest. |
| 16:19 | cait | aaah |
| 16:19 | I think there is also something like the second with holes like the first... | |
| 16:19 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 16:19 | cait | lol |
| 16:19 | I? | |
| 16:19 | wahanui | That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) |
| 16:19 | cait | you? |
| 16:19 | ah | |
| 16:19 | forget I tink there | |
| 16:19 | forget I think there | |
| 16:19 | * jcamins_away | uses the second. |
| 16:19 | jcamins_away | I think there? |
| 16:19 | Hehe. | |
| 16:20 | * jcamins_away | heads into the city. |
| 16:20 | cait | I think there? |
| 16:20 | hmmm. wahanui, help? | |
| 16:21 | @later tell jcamins_away http://www.amazon.de/Fackelman[…]1340727526&sr=1-1 | |
| 16:21 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:23 | cait | finally found the grater :) |
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| 16:57 | eythian | http://www.stuff.co.nz/busines[…]lecoms-XT-network <-- and this is why free software should be used. |
| 16:57 | also, ha ha telecom. | |
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| 18:18 | schuster | Want to check placement of robots.txt - ../kohaclone/koha-tmpl/ the best place or where for the bot to find it. I want to make sure I have it in the right place! |
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| 18:42 | rangi | @quote get 115 |
| 18:42 | huginn | rangi: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011) |
| 18:43 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 18:44 | cait | morning rangi :) |
| 18:44 | rangi | morning |
| 18:44 | * rangi | wanders off again, back later from the bus |
| 19:00 | nengard | anyone want to help me with some mysql regex? I'm looking for everything before the first space in the call number .... |
| 19:11 | drojf | @wunder leeds |
| 19:11 | huginn | drojf: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:12 | drojf | @wunder leeds, england |
| 19:12 | huginn | drojf: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:12 | drojf | hm |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence, ks |
| 19:12 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 32.9°C (2:12 PM CDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | crikey. |
| 19:12 | drojf | uh |
| 19:13 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 19:13 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 16.5°C (9:12 PM CEST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | hm, nice in germany |
| 19:14 | bit chilly even. | |
| 19:14 | drojf | not really |
| 19:14 | mostly grey | |
| 19:14 | but i prefer that ober 30°+ | |
| 19:14 | over | |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | you should come visit KS, it's gonna be like that for a week or so |
| 19:15 | maximep | @wunder cyqb |
| 19:15 | huginn | maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is 18.0°C (3:00 PM EDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | :P |
| 19:15 | schuster | @wunder 75074 |
| 19:15 | huginn | schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 39.9°C (2:08 PM CDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). Air pollution watch level Orange in effect for today... |
| 19:15 | maximep | wow |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | ok that's just eccessive |
| 19:15 | excessive | |
| 19:15 | maximep | but only 20% humidity |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | i mean, the temp. |
| 19:15 | yea, feels a lot hotter here. ;) | |
| 19:16 | schuster | HOT and DRY - meaning AC in the car does almost nothing! |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | but you can have the windows down and have a nice drive that way |
| 19:16 | maximep | 34C and 80% humidity last week here was just killing me |
| 19:16 | felt like 45 | |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | ouch. |
| 19:18 | drojf | the more i read, the more i like my <20° and grey sky. thanks :) |
| 19:20 | cait | same here :) |
| 19:20 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 19:20 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:40 | rangi | Back |
| 19:40 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 19:40 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on June 27, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:41 | drojf | hey rangi |
| 19:41 | you win | |
| 19:41 | rangi | Blue skies |
| 19:41 | Nice winters day | |
| 19:42 | * rangi | is still smiling about natlib Venezuela |
| 19:42 | rangi | 9 million records |
| 19:42 | drojf | take wellington and brookview, put in shaker, shake well and serve in fancy glass |
| 19:43 | rangi | Hehe |
| 19:43 | drojf | what did i miss? new koha bib? |
| 19:43 | ah i see it now | |
| 19:43 | have not been reading mails | |
| 19:44 | but that was already on the catalyst flyer at kohacon, with 7mio? | |
| 19:46 | rangi | Yep they've been in the process for 2 years but only staff side |
| 19:46 | Now they have the opac too | |
| 19:46 | drojf | nice |
| 19:47 | they should host a kohacon ;) | |
| 19:47 | rangi | I'm sure they would come to Argentina |
| 19:47 | USA not so much | |
| 19:49 | drojf | they link to es.koha-community.org. i wonder if that is good for the ranking *hides* |
| 19:50 | rangi | Hehe that site is cool remarkably up to date given they handtranslate it all |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 19:59 | drojf | is there a way to see what subdomains of k-c.org actually exist? how would i know about es.k-c.org? i don't see a link anywhere |
| 20:00 | rangi | Should be on the wiki |
| 20:01 | If not we can add it | |
| 20:01 | There's a list of sites on the main page we should update | |
| 20:03 | schuster | Are they using Zebra to index those 7 mil records? Must be a monster server! |
| 20:03 | rangi | I've indexed a lot more than that |
| 20:04 | You just need diskspace | |
| 20:04 | drojf | how much space does that take? |
| 20:05 | approximately | |
| 20:05 | rangi | With grs lots 20 gigish |
| 20:05 | drojf | heh |
| 20:05 | rangi | I need to try with Dom |
| 20:07 | drojf | i'd love to index that on the pi |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/about/worldwide/ |
| 20:10 | drojf | hm i looked at that page. didnt see the link. maybe i should sleep more :/ |
| 20:10 | thanks | |
| 20:11 | jcamins_away | rangi: hasn't the National Library of Venezuela been on Koha since 2.something? |
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| 20:15 | * jcamins_away | tries to figure out something to do with frozen spinach and mango. |
| 20:18 | rangi | back again |
| 20:18 | jcamins_away: not the opac | |
| 20:19 | cait | wb |
| 20:19 | hi kathryn :) | |
| 20:19 | rangi | http://abstrusegoose.com/strip[…]_kindergarten.png |
| 20:20 | kathryn | g'morning cait! |
| 20:20 | cait | jcamins_away: together? |
| 20:20 | mango sorbet and spinach pizza? | |
| 20:20 | rangi | do you eat meat jcamins_away ? |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | hmm spinach and mango. Sounds like a recipe for a smoothie. |
| 20:21 | kathryn | jcamins definitely indian food! spinach and something curry with fresh mango chutney? |
| 20:21 | * kathryn | advises that this is also a good time to make cheese |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 20:23 | rangi | kathryn: that was where i was going, but chicken not cheese :) |
| 20:24 | kathryn | aha rangi :) |
| 20:25 | jcamins_away | cait: together, yeah. |
| 20:25 | cait | I agree with kathryn then :) |
| 20:25 | jcamins_away | rangi: not much. I used to eat a lot more meat. |
| 20:26 | I was going to make saag tofu, but there is no tofu to be had at the local grocery store (a fact which I forget about once a week), and I don't have time to make paneer. | |
| 20:28 | So I'm leaning towards mango curry. | |
| 20:28 | Over rice. | |
| 20:28 | Ooh, maybe I'll do a side of saag sans tofu/paneer. | |
| 20:28 | This is a plan! | |
| 20:28 | * jcamins_away | sets off to execute it. |
| 20:28 | kathryn | seeya jcamins_away |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | ohh now I want saag |
| 20:30 | curse you. | |
| 20:32 | cait | I don't know what that is :) |
| 20:32 | Topic for #koha is now Happy birthday nengard | |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | cait: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t[…]cA5FrPdtZWlz1dTQQ |
| 20:36 | oh boy. | |
| 20:36 | rangi | that url needs more su83y2-4823907529075207525-8252=5293590275028973590279057209572908t925923750275-9279-20rifjiofjwe008u20u234 |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | try this one: http://www.foodnetwork.com/rec[…]recipe/index.html |
| 20:36 | rangi: :P | |
| 20:37 | rangi | :) |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 20:40 | cait | hm |
| 20:53 | drojf | TEDGlobal 2012: Radical Openness, happening now in Edinburgh. |
| 20:53 | should have stayed a little longer | |
| 20:55 | rangi | oh yeah |
| 21:14 | jcamins_away | It's good, but it's missing something. |
| 21:14 | rangi | bacon |
| 21:15 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 21:15 | Probably not. | |
| 21:15 | rangi | :) |
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| 21:18 | jcamins_away | You know how sometimes you taste something you cooked and think "gee, this is perfect except it is missing some sort of green spice? |
| 21:18 | I hate that, and I can never figure out what the spice is. | |
| 21:18 | rangi | oregano |
| 21:18 | :) | |
| 21:18 | * rangi | randomly picks one |
| 21:18 | drojf | chili ;) |
| 21:19 | jcamins_away | Ooh, I'll toss in some of the fresh herbs Shari's picking up right this moment. |
| 21:19 | drojf | all purpose spice or what that is called at the asian market :D |
| 21:19 | jcamins_away | I already put in the chilies. :) |
| 21:20 | Also the curry and cayenne pepper. | |
| 21:20 | Sadly I inhaled some cayenne pepper in the process. | |
| 21:20 | I always forget that it's a little too finely ground. | |
| 21:20 | drojf | heh |
| 21:20 | it's supposed to go in the pot, not the air ;) | |
| 21:23 | jcamins_away | drojf: heh. Good advice. |
| 21:23 | Where were you when I was opening the jar? | |
| 21:23 | drojf | i thought you might need it :P |
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| 21:36 | * magnuse | cheers for venezuela! |
| 21:37 | * cait | waves at magnuse :) |
| 21:37 | rangi | heya magnuse ! |
| 21:37 | magnuse | hiya cait and rangi |
| 21:45 | jcamins_away | The curry is done. |
| 21:45 | Looks delicious. | |
| 21:45 | * jcamins_away | goes to eat it. |
| 21:46 | magnuse | rangi: are you sure it's 9million records and not items? i can't seem to find records with biblionumbers that high... |
| 21:46 | rangi | the opac might only have the ones they lend |
| 21:47 | magnuse | ah, true |
| 21:47 | rangi | according to libwebcats they say 7mill, but i heard on the twittervine it was 9 |
| 21:47 | id expect either of those numbers for a natlib the size of it | |
| 21:54 | drojf | or zebra is not working correctly :P |
| 21:55 | rangi | 99.9% zebra is fine |
| 21:55 | all of the problems we have with zebra, are problems we made | |
| 21:55 | C4::Search-- | |
| 21:55 | drojf | hehe |
| 21:56 | rangi | blaming zebra is like blaming the boxing glove when someone is punching you in the face |
| 21:56 | cjh_ | heh |
| 21:56 | drojf | :D |
| 21:57 | magnuse | have fun #koha! |
| 21:57 | drojf | time for bed, try to sleep before 3am once in a while. night #koha |
| 21:57 | rangi | good night |
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| 22:05 | cait | night :) |
| 22:06 | rangi | night cait |
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