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| 00:04 | rangi | https://failblog.files.wordpre[…]sensitive-jag.jpg |
| 00:10 | papa joined #koha | |
| 00:19 | jcamins | Is there any way to find out the last commit in a branch that was tagged? |
| 00:20 | git describe. | |
| 00:21 | git describe --abbrev=0 | |
| 00:21 | rangi | cool |
| 00:21 | * jcamins | makes get_bugs.pl use that. |
| 00:24 | cait left #koha | |
| 00:26 | jcamins | There must be a shorthand way of opening a file such that if the provided filename is '-' the script prints to stdout. |
| 00:28 | Oh, >$filename | |
| 00:29 | Guess I'll use the two-argument form of open(). | |
| 00:33 | Any way to make Perl squelch newlines when reading in from `commands`? | |
| 00:34 | If I use chomp, it won't mess up anything that doesn't have a newline. That'll do. | |
| 00:44 | rangi: new version of get_bugs.pl | |
| 01:00 | rangi | did you push? |
| 01:07 | jcamins_away | rangi: yeah, https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools |
| 01:08 | rangi | ah cool, to kc later? |
| 01:09 | jcamins_away | I don't think I have access |
| 01:10 | rangi | hmm |
| 01:10 | jcamins_away | I've been having chris_n push my changes. |
| 01:10 | rangi | ahh right |
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| 02:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #64 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:27 | talljoy_away left #koha | |
| 02:30 | jcamins_away | Ugh. |
| 02:30 | * jcamins_away | is trying to rebase 7943. |
| 02:32 | rangi | oh yeah that might be tricky |
| 02:32 | i went to fix the conflict and bailed | |
| 02:32 | jcamins_away | Very sensible. |
| 02:33 | rangi | it's valid to just say, it builds on work in master, so best to wait for 3.10 too |
| 02:33 | jcamins_away | Nah, I *really* want it in 3.8. |
| 02:33 | rangi | ahh righto :) |
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| 02:52 | druthb | o/ |
| 02:52 | rangi | heya druthb |
| 02:52 | druthb | :) hi |
| 02:53 | jcamins_away | o/ |
| 02:53 | Rebased 7943 against 3.8.x. | |
| 02:53 | Wonder if it would apply on 3.6.x... | |
| 02:54 | rangi | cool, ill test it out tonight |
| 02:58 | jcamins_away | Yeah, could do. |
| 03:00 | Attached the follow-up as well. | |
| 03:00 | rangi | cool |
| 03:01 | ohh good lord | |
| 03:01 | someone asked about a tv | |
| 03:02 | jcamins_away | A tv? |
| 03:02 | rangi | and now we have people calculating how many pixels you need to have depending on how many arcminutes you take human acuity to be |
| 03:02 | i work with geeks | |
| 03:03 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 03:05 | Bug 3462 is ready for sign off. | |
| 03:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Link see alsos in authorities |
| 03:06 | rangi | oooohhh |
| 03:07 | thats totally sandbox testable too eh? | |
| 03:07 | jcamins_away | Yep. |
| 03:07 | rangi | sweet |
| 03:09 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #64: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/64/ |
| 03:09 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7367 Followup for opac-suggestions template | |
| 03:09 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8232: Comments in OPAC contain untranslatable javascript messages | |
| 03:09 | * matthias.meusburger: Bug 8229: Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly | |
| 03:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7367 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General OPAC typo omnibus |
| 03:09 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8232 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Comments in OPAC contain untranslatable javascript messages | |
| 03:09 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8229 major, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Stable , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly | |
| 03:09 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #65 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 03:09 | rangi | for fun try this |
| 03:09 | for i in Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun; do echo $( echo " $i: "; git shortlog -n --format='%ad %s'| grep "$i " | wc -l); done | |
| 03:10 | jcamins_away | Cool! |
| 03:11 | cjh | heh, Tuesdays are winning. |
| 03:11 | rangi | yep |
| 03:11 | cjh | very neat. |
| 03:14 | jcamins_away | Time to match some authorities. |
| 03:15 | Hm. | |
| 03:16 | rangi | jcamins_away: for i in Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun; do echo $( echo " $i: "; git shortlog -n --format='%ad %s %aN'| grep "Esakov" | grep "$i " | wc -l); done |
| 03:16 | sunday is your most productive day | |
| 03:16 | jcamins_away | I hate it when I inadvertantly upload 100MB of authorities into my system. |
| 03:16 | rangi | for i in Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun; do echo $( echo " $i: "; git shortlog -n --format='%ad %s %aN'| grep "Chris Hall" | grep "$i " | wc -l); done |
| 03:17 | jcamins_away | Saturdays are pretty good for me, too. |
| 03:17 | rangi | yup |
| 03:17 | jcamins_away | Why did I just hit the Stage button on a 100MB authority file? |
| 03:17 | rangi | heh |
| 03:18 | jcamins_away | That was a bad idea. |
| 03:18 | rangi | go have a sleep, it'll be ready in the morning :) |
| 03:18 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 03:19 | Yeah, after this Magnum PI episode ends I will. | |
| 03:20 | druthb | Magnum PI? Gosh, I've not seen that in years and years. |
| 03:20 | jcamins_away | Shari is introducing me to the TV shows of her generation. :P |
| 03:20 | druthb | lol |
| 03:20 | Tom Selleck and his Amazing...Mustache. | |
| 03:26 | cait joined #koha | |
| 03:54 | jcamins_away | Bug 7475 requires terminal access for sign-off. |
| 03:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Option to overlay authorities |
| 03:54 | jcamins_away | 2060 won't, but 7475 comes first. |
| 03:54 | * jcamins_away | goes to bed. |
| 03:58 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #65: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/65/ |
| 03:58 | * kyle: Bug 8223 - Properly format SQL query in C4::Bookseller::GetBookSeller | |
| 03:58 | * jcamins: Bug 6720: show authority type in auth details | |
| 03:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8223 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Properly format SQL query in C4::Bookseller::GetBookSeller |
| 03:58 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Saved authorities always show as 'Default' | |
| 04:04 | cait | hm |
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| 04:06 | Oak | Alohaa #koha |
| 04:06 | up early cait ? | |
| 04:19 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:19 | cait | Oak: yes, travelling today |
| 04:30 | Oak | good |
| 04:30 | traveling is good | |
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| 04:38 | cait | ok, have to go :) bye all |
| 04:38 | cait left #koha | |
| 04:39 | vkm | is there anyway to restrict purchase suggestion catogory of user wise |
| 04:52 | sophie_m joined #koha | |
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| 06:10 | mtj | hmm, how to test templates with 'prove t/foo.t' , again... ? |
| 06:10 | i've forgotten the name of the .t file :/ | |
| 06:21 | ah, twas prove ./xt, not prove ./t :) | |
| 06:32 | umer joined #koha | |
| 06:34 | umer | Hi everyone.. i have a little problem with the automatic email sending to new patron accounts.. can anyone help me with this |
| 06:40 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:40 | wahanui | privet, alex_a |
| 06:43 | umer | I can sends automatic emails to the new accouts with their username and password when i creat an account manually and put their username and password manually while makin the account. But when i use the import patrons tool KOHA doesnt send automatic emails to the new accounts. can any one help me with this or suggest some solution.. |
| 06:48 | fredericd | rangi: 3.8.2 released version contains in kohaversion.pl: 3.08.01.002, not 3.08.02.000 |
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| 06:49 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:58 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 06:58 | gaetan_B | hello :) |
| 07:07 | hdl joined #koha | |
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| 07:29 | ropuch_ | Morning #koha |
| 07:31 | rangi | Yep noticed after the release but figure it's not really a problem. Not enough to do a new tarball anyway |
| 07:35 | julian_m joined #koha | |
| 07:36 | julian_m | hello |
| 07:36 | wahanui | que tal, julian_m |
| 07:38 | hdl | hi |
| 07:38 | wahanui | hello, hdl |
| 07:47 | matts | hi #koha ! |
| 08:06 | rangi | hi matts, hdl ropuch paul_p sophie_m asaurat fredericd rangi and gaetan_B |
| 08:15 | ropuch | Hello rangi |
| 08:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #66 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:19 | asaurat | hi rangi ! |
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| 08:24 | rangi | asaurat: i was just looking at a blurry photo of us |
| 08:24 | http://pub.veggie.fr/biblibre/[…]iODVmY2E3ZjEwYjQ0 | |
| 08:24 | i look very confused :) | |
| 08:26 | asaurat | hehe |
| 08:26 | maybe was I trying to speak greek | |
| 08:26 | rangi | heh, could be |
| 08:30 | sophie_m | hi all |
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| 08:31 | rangi | morning eythian |
| 08:31 | eythian | gday |
| 08:31 | rangi | hi traveling cait-m__ |
| 08:31 | cait-m__ | hi |
| 08:31 | almost there now - exam at noon | |
| 08:31 | rangi | good luck! |
| 08:33 | mib_llb4wl joined #koha | |
| 08:33 | mib_llb4wl | hi |
| 08:33 | anybody here | |
| 08:35 | cait-m__ | thx:-) |
| 08:41 | drojf1 joined #koha | |
| 08:43 | mib_llb4wl | hey |
| 08:44 | i need some help | |
| 08:44 | regarding adding items from z3950 server | |
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| 09:10 | drojf1 | good day #koha |
| 09:10 | hdl | mib_3z7b20: ? |
| 09:11 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #66: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/66/ |
| 09:11 | colin.campbell: Bug 8216: Allow SIP modules to pass critic tests | |
| 09:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8216 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Enable critic tests on SIP modules |
| 09:11 | * paul_p | doing an upgrade from 2.2 to 3.8.2 today ! long time no see 2.2 ;-) |
| 09:11 | paul_p | (and I'm the only one at BibLibre knowing how to do such upgrades...) |
| 09:11 | hdl | 2.2.9 was blazing fast |
| 09:11 | mib_3z7b20 | confused with z3950 server and addking item |
| 09:12 | can we give a other user a admin privileges in koha | |
| 09:12 | ? | |
| 09:12 | paul_p | OTOH, I'm also playing a lot with DBIx::Class, Moose and all those things, will submit a POC soon |
| 09:13 | mib_3z7b20 = yes, you can, just choose your admin in the user table and give him "superlibrarian" permission. | |
| 09:13 | mib_3z7b20 | okay thanks paul_p |
| 09:13 | i am new to koha | |
| 09:14 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 = where are you from ? (welcome on board !) |
| 09:15 | mib_3z7b20 | i am from Bhutan |
| 09:15 | thanks | |
| 09:15 | where are you from? | |
| 09:15 | seems you know much about koha | |
| 09:15 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 = i'm from France |
| 09:15 | mib_3z7b20 = I'm Koha Release Manager ;-) | |
| 09:15 | mib_3z7b20 | did you heard about Bhutan anytime |
| 09:15 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 so yes, I know much about koha :D |
| 09:16 | mib_3z7b20 yes, of course. It's in Asia | |
| 09:16 | mib_3z7b20 | ok greate |
| 09:16 | yes its in between two giant country | |
| 09:16 | china and india | |
| 09:17 | today i just finished setting up koha | |
| 09:17 | and i cluld not import and add items from z3950 server | |
| 09:18 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 which z3950 server did you choose ? (this kind of problem can be very tricky to solve...) |
| 09:19 | mib_3z7b20 | Is Library of congress one of z3950 server |
| 09:20 | ? | |
| 09:20 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 = when you say "could not import and add items from z3950 server", could you give more details about what you were doing/seing/expecting ? |
| 09:21 | mib_3z7b20 | i could do it now |
| 09:21 | because i forgot to rebuild zebra-daemon | |
| 09:22 | where i can see my list of koha user? | |
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| 09:27 | mib_3z7b20 | hey paul_p you there? |
| 09:28 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 yes (although i'll leave in 15mn) |
| 09:28 | mib_3z7b20 Koha > Patrons > search your patron | |
| 09:29 | mib_3z7b20 | okay |
| 09:29 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 when you're on one patron detai l page, click Plus > permissions, superlibrarian is the 1st one |
| 09:29 | mib_3z7b20 do you know the doc is on http://koha-community.org ? | |
| 09:29 | mib_3z7b20 | okay |
| 09:29 | thanks paul_p | |
| 09:30 | you made my day | |
| 09:30 | i have created one user under staff patrons | |
| 09:30 | i have to search for that user right? | |
| 09:33 | i got it paul_p | |
| 09:33 | thanks | |
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| 09:35 | mib_3z7b20 | hey paul_p |
| 09:35 | one last question | |
| 09:35 | you there? | |
| 09:35 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 yep |
| 09:35 | mveron | Hey everibody #koha |
| 09:36 | mib_3z7b20 | can we customize koha sites, like can we change themes n all |
| 09:36 | eythian | http://library.org.nz/ <-- mib_3z7b20 , yes you can |
| 09:36 | mib_3z7b20 | thanks |
| 09:37 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 = look at OPAC systempreferences, there are many things you can change from here (if you provide an image, a css, some javascript,...) |
| 09:38 | mib_3z7b20 | okay paul_p thanks |
| 09:39 | paul_p | mib_3z7b20 (and look in the doc, there are plenty of useful informations & examples) |
| 09:40 | mib_3z7b20 | okay thanks paul |
| 09:43 | mveron | Bonjour paul_p |
| 09:44 | paul_p: I rebased Bug 7621 (with Wiki as requested), and Bug 7563 , what are the next steps? | |
| 09:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Signed Off , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
| 09:44 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7563 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Silent print slips using Firefox PlugIn jsPrintSetup and new staff client preference | |
| 09:49 | mib_3z7b20 | i which directory openheader is located |
| 09:49 | ? | |
| 09:51 | drojf | mib_3z7b20: do you mean opacheader? there is a system preference to add your own header from the staff client without editing files by hand if that is what you want to do |
| 09:51 | mib_3z7b20 | yes opacheader |
| 09:51 | * mveron | Hi drojf |
| 09:52 | drojf | hi mveron! |
| 09:52 | mib_3z7b20 | thanks drojf |
| 09:54 | mveron | drojf: The Wiki mail problem seems to be related to some greylisting. I solved it (as a workaround) by redirecting mails via a gmx mail account. |
| 09:55 | drojf | mveron: ok. sounds complicated but at least it works :) |
| 09:55 | mib_3z7b20 | can we edit some kind of CSS file and edit |
| 09:55 | drojf | mib_3z7b20: there is also a syspref for css |
| 09:55 | no need to edit files | |
| 09:56 | mib_3z7b20 | okay |
| 09:59 | mveron | mib_3z7b20: You have some HTML prferences as well. And you can do stuff with jQuery. You find hints and tricks on http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ |
| 09:59 | drojf | hey. i was just looking for that url! |
| 09:59 | :) | |
| 10:00 | mib_3z7b20 | thanks mveron |
| 10:00 | drojf | mib_3z7b20: the advantage of the system preferences is that they will survive an upgrade. if you edit css files directly that may get lost when you upgrae to a new version of koha |
| 10:01 | mib_3z7b20 | ok thanks for you suggestion |
| 10:01 | as i am very new to koha | |
| 10:01 | i am not very good in it | |
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| 10:02 | drojf | mib_3z7b20: you will learn :) |
| 10:02 | we all do | |
| 10:02 | mib_3z7b20 | thanks |
| 10:02 | i got to learn alot | |
| 10:02 | francharb | 0/ all |
| 10:02 | drojf | mib_3z7b20: you should take the time to go through the manual, it's good |
| 10:03 | mib_3z7b20 | by the drojf where are you from? |
| 10:03 | kay | |
| 10:03 | drojf | hi francharb |
| 10:03 | rangi | hi francharb |
| 10:03 | drojf | mib_3z7b20: i am from berlin, germany |
| 10:03 | mib_3z7b20 | okay |
| 10:04 | drojf | mib_3z7b20: you are from bhutan i read. it's nice to see koha being used all over the world |
| 10:04 | mib_3z7b20 | yes |
| 10:04 | do you know or did you ever heard of Bhutan? | |
| 10:05 | drojf | sure i did |
| 10:05 | mib_3z7b20 | really thats nice |
| 10:05 | cheers for germany team in Euro2012 | |
| 10:06 | drojf | :) |
| 10:06 | mib_3z7b20: what are you planning to use koha for? what kind of library? | |
| 10:07 | mib_3z7b20 | we recently had meeting in our organization |
| 10:07 | i am working in one of the college in bhutan as system admin | |
| 10:07 | drojf | nice |
| 10:08 | mib_3z7b20 | we are using one old manually developed library system called autolib |
| 10:08 | now we want to upgrade to koha | |
| 10:09 | drojf | that's cool. you will like it |
| 10:10 | mib_3z7b20 | i will surely |
| 10:10 | just now i am just the beginer | |
| 10:10 | can you give me one good link to customize koha | |
| 10:11 | drojf | mib_3z7b20: i see that you have a lot of languages in bhutan. what language is used at the college? |
| 10:11 | mib_3z7b20 | yes |
| 10:11 | but we use english in all the colleges | |
| 10:11 | we do have our national language | |
| 10:12 | but we mostly use english | |
| 10:12 | drojf | if you decide to translate koha to your national language one day… we always like new translations :) |
| 10:13 | mib_3z7b20 | i was about to ask that |
| 10:13 | can we translate koha to our national language | |
| 10:13 | ? | |
| 10:13 | drojf | yes |
| 10:13 | mib_3z7b20 | how? |
| 10:13 | drojf | there is http://translate.koha-community.org/ |
| 10:14 | mib_3z7b20 | but our language is not listed there |
| 10:15 | drojf | oh, i'm sorry. yes, i meant you can do a translation of koha yourself |
| 10:15 | mib_3z7b20 | how i can translate koha all by myself to our language |
| 10:15 | ? | |
| 10:16 | drojf | i think somebody has to create a project for your language on the translation server and give you the administration rights |
| 10:16 | not sure how that works | |
| 10:16 | mib_3z7b20 | but i am sure you have worked on other language translation |
| 10:17 | hdl | mib_3z7b20: send a message on koha-translate list to the translation manager. |
| 10:17 | mib_3z7b20 | ? |
| 10:17 | okay | |
| 10:18 | drojf | about customisation, i suppose you meant the opac. there is something in the manual: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]8/en/impopac.html and there is a category on the blog that mveron linked you http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?cat=6 |
| 10:18 | there is also a gallery on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_customized_OPACs | |
| 10:19 | mib_3z7b20 | thanks drofj |
| 10:22 | my national language is listed in interface language | |
| 10:32 | sophie_m | clrh : ce sera possible de faire un petit point St etienne vite fait ? |
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| 10:36 | sophie_m | oups :-[ |
| 10:37 | rangi | :) |
| 10:38 | google makes a really bad translation of that | |
| 10:39 | clrh | :) |
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| 10:59 | neo_ | hi |
| 10:59 | can we see all the patrons | |
| 11:00 | * rangi | goes to sleep |
| 11:01 | neo_ | now we have to search or browse by last names |
| 11:01 | do we have any other way to see all the added patrons | |
| 11:02 | never mind , i have searched by "*" | |
| 11:03 | can see all the patrons, :) | |
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| 11:19 | ropuch | Hm, I get finishreceive.pl: Use of uninitialized value $origquantityrec in numeric gt (>) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/finishreceive.pl line 60. |
| 11:19 | followed by finishreceive.pl: Use of uninitialized value $error_url_str in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/finishreceive.pl line 104. | |
| 11:19 | I'm using 3.08.01.002, all perl modules updated | |
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| 11:31 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 11:31 | ropuch | Hi oleonard |
| 11:36 | oleonard | Anyone around who might be able to help me with Bug 8278? |
| 11:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin |
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| 12:18 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.2, 3.6.5 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | http://paste.koha-community.org | General IRC Meeting 18 July 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 | |
| 12:46 | * oleonard | thinks everyone must be hung over from the 3.8.2 release party he wasn't invited to |
| 12:47 | jcamins_away | oleonard: pre-3.6.6 party for me. |
| 12:47 | oleonard | jcamins_away: I hope that's not like having to sit at the kid table at Thanksgiving |
| 12:47 | jcamins_away | oleonard: alas, it kind of was. |
| 12:48 | eythian | I suppose I should do some 3.8.2 packages... |
| 12:49 | jcamins | eythian: yay! |
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| 13:10 | jcamins | Hm. Could someone remind me what type of join will only take as many rows from the right table as there are in the left? |
| 13:13 | (I thought it was LEFT JOIN, but LEFT JOIN is return 1400 rows instead of the desired 54) | |
| 13:13 | No, LEFT JOIN is returning 80k rows. Guess it's just doing a cartesian join. | |
| 13:23 | hdl | JOIN. |
| 13:23 | or RIGHT JOIN | |
| 13:25 | jcamins | Hm. SELECT DISTINCT + JOIN did it, but it's a very inefficient query. I guess better to do it differently. |
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| 13:49 | francharb | 0/ (again) |
| 13:50 | :) | |
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| 14:20 | tcohen | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon2013 |
| 14:21 | oleonard | tcohen++ |
| 14:22 | tcohen | thanks oleonard |
| 14:23 | * oleonard | weeps for his travel budget though ;) |
| 14:27 | eythian | 3.8.2 is being uploaded to the repo right now. |
| 14:28 | tcohen | eythian++ |
| 14:29 | julian_m: do we have a set of tests for bug 8110? | |
| 14:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days |
| 14:29 | tcohen | i'd like to work on that right now, but don't know how to test it |
| 14:32 | * wizzyrea | would totally do argentina |
| 14:32 | julian_m | tcohen, i don't think we have tests for this |
| 14:33 | tcohen | ok |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | tcohen: the basic idea is this |
| 14:34 | julian_m | but you can checkout books with manually set due date to 15 days ago, 30 days ago, 400 days ago... launch fines.pl and see results |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | right, and it would have to span a set holiday |
| 14:34 | so you'd have to do some math to see if the due dates were correct | |
| 14:34 | and to see if the holidays were skipped for fines | |
| 14:35 | in all 3 (4?) date formats | |
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| 15:21 | eythian | can someone tell me if 952$j (Shelving control number) does something, and if so, what it does? |
| 15:30 | tcohen | wizzyrea, julian_m: i found it worked for the example I used |
| 15:31 | (using master right now) | |
| 15:33 | its a pity as I cannot reproduce the problem in bug 8110 | |
| 15:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days |
| 15:33 | eythian | As far as I can tell, it's managed but not actually used by anything. |
| 15:36 | magnuse | eythian: "The stack number of the item, inventory code." http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 15:37 | ...does not make me much wiser... | |
| 15:37 | eythian | yes. that says nothing :) |
| 15:37 | I can't see it being used by anything in the code | |
| 15:37 | wizzyrea | i think it's a |
| 15:37 | @quote get 123 | |
| 15:37 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 15:37 | magnuse | hehe |
| 15:37 | * magnuse | wanders off, all confused |
| 15:37 | wizzyrea | seriously, someone must be using it for something, but no one who cares about it |
| 15:37 | oh! magnuse! | |
| 15:37 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 15:38 | eythian | wizzyrea: maybe, but I can't tell that it actually does anything |
| 15:38 | wizzyrea | right, it's like the appendix of marc |
| 15:38 | eythian | It'll store and load and comes from an auth value all OK |
| 15:38 | but there's no logic that uses it | |
| 15:38 | I can't even see a display that shows it | |
| 15:38 | sekjal | eythian: I think it's just another unique identifier, separate from barcode or itemnumber |
| 15:38 | eythian | sekjal: no, it's a tinyint |
| 15:38 | tcohen | eythian: grep told me is not used anywhere |
| 15:39 | eythian | tcohen: yeah, that's what I did. The only references to it really are in C4/Items.pm |
| 15:39 | sekjal | eythian: very tiny unique identifier? |
| 15:39 | eythian | I was hoping it was a flag to say "this is in the stack" |
| 15:39 | heh | |
| 15:39 | (it's column name is items.stack) | |
| 15:39 | -' | |
| 15:40 | tcohen | maybe it was intended for linking with external systems? |
| 15:40 | (a custom ID) | |
| 15:40 | sekjal | oh, whoops, I was confusing it with stocknumber |
| 15:40 | yeah, I think it may be legacy code | |
| 15:41 | eythian | I wonder if I can convince a library they want it as a stack identifier. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | Oh, you're using 952$j? |
| 15:42 | Heh. | |
| 15:42 | It's not what you want. | |
| 15:43 | eythian | I'm not using it, I was hoping it did something relating to its column name |
| 15:43 | rather than nothing as seems to be the case | |
| 15:43 | jcamins | It does, actually. |
| 15:43 | eythian | oh? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | "Stack number" = "non-public callnumber for microfilm collections." |
| 15:44 | eythian | jcamins: but it's a tinyint |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Microfilms often have call numbers like M12345. |
| 15:44 | Which is great, unless you happen to barcode each spool individually. | |
| 15:44 | eythian | linked to an authorised value |
| 15:45 | jcamins | Because M12345 may be stored in several different cabinets. |
| 15:45 | So each cabinet has a stack number. | |
| 15:45 | Does it make sense? | |
| 15:45 | No, not really. | |
| 15:45 | But it is fairly standard in US libraries, as I understand it. | |
| 15:45 | eythian | but what if you have more than 10 cabinets? |
| 15:46 | jcamins | eythian: that was just poor planning on the part of whoever made it a tinyint. |
| 15:46 | eythian | I can believe that. |
| 15:46 | jcamins | I think NYPL's microfilms can have stack numbers up to 300. |
| 15:46 | * oleonard | wonders how many times that has been said of tinyint |
| 15:46 | tcohen | what does stack number means? (/me is embarrased he doesnt understandthe terminology) |
| 15:46 | eythian | It doesn't even seem to display anywhere though. |
| 15:47 | jcamins | tcohen: it is the number of the stack (=cabinet) that a particular spool of microfilm is stored in. |
| 15:47 | tcohen | oh, so its a reference for the librarians |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:47 | eythian | the docs say nothing about microfilm |
| 15:47 | tcohen | to find the material |
| 15:47 | eythian | I which I had the time to find everything undocument and rip it out |
| 15:48 | until it was documented, then it could go back in | |
| 15:48 | tcohen | as the call number allow them to find the material in the shelves |
| 15:48 | * wizzyrea | could get used to this european time zone eythian |
| 15:48 | eythian | though, it doesn't seem to show up even in the staff client |
| 15:48 | jcamins | tcohen: right. Though apparently we don't display it, which makes it kind of useless. |
| 15:49 | tcohen: and, a useless (or possibly useful?) piece of triva: though a stack number refers to the number of a cabinet/stack, a shelfnumber refers to the number of a given book on the shelf. | |
| 15:49 | tcohen | if it is introduced into the MARCXML for displaying maybe it could be included with the staff interface's xslts |
| 15:50 | jcamins | Where did the idea that QueryFuzzy has anything to do with spellcheck/did you mean come from? |
| 15:51 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:52 | eythian | http://youtu.be/HU2ftCitvyQ <-- this sums up many things |
| 15:53 | jcamins | It seems to be a very pervasive belief. |
| 15:54 | eythian | wahanui: Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain is <reply>Why is he climbing a mountain? |
| 15:54 | wahanui | eythian: no idea |
| 15:55 | eythian | wahanui: Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain is <reply>Why \is he climbing a mountain? |
| 15:55 | wahanui | eythian: no idea |
| 15:55 | eythian | wahanui: Captain Kirk \is climbing a mountain is <reply>Why \is he climbing a mountain? |
| 15:55 | wahanui | no idea, eythian |
| 15:55 | eythian | wahanui: Captain Kirk \is climbing a mountain is <reply>Why \is he climbing a mountain# |
| 15:55 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 15:55 | eythian | wahanui: Captain Kirk \is climbing a mountain =~ s/#/?/ |
| 15:55 | wahanui | I didn't have anything matching 'captain kirk \is climbing a mountain', eythian |
| 15:55 | eythian | wahanui: Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain =~ s/#/?/ |
| 15:55 | wahanui | OK, eythian |
| 15:55 | eythian | wahanui: Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain |
| 15:55 | wahanui | Why is he climbing a mountain? |
| 15:55 | eythian | perfect |
| 15:56 | drojf | lol |
| 16:01 | eythian | wahanui: germs |
| 16:01 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 16:08 | drojf | …all good things come from germany |
| 16:09 | yeah for another non-us bid for kohacon13 | |
| 16:11 | reiveune1 | bye |
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| 16:11 | * drojf | thinks his university will not send him to any of these places |
| 16:11 | drojf | but who knows |
| 16:12 | * eythian | might go for a beer |
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| 16:12 | drojf | beer is a solution to a lot of things |
| 16:16 | * nengard | thinks beer is icky |
| 16:16 | nengard | and now I duck |
| 16:16 | drojf | heh |
| 16:17 | nengard | :) |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | germs? |
| 16:18 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | hrmph. |
| 16:19 | * drojf | puts a scottish thistle ale in the fridge |
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| 16:55 | cait | hi #koha |
| 16:56 | oleonard | Hi cait, exam all done? |
| 16:56 | cait | hm yeah |
| 16:56 | but there might be a repeat | |
| 16:57 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 16:57 | Congratulations! | |
| 17:01 | cait | repeat as in.... try again |
| 17:01 | *sigh* | |
| 17:02 | drojf | there "might be"… so when do you know? |
| 17:02 | hi cait btw :) | |
| 17:02 | cait | written exam - can be soon or take a while |
| 17:02 | and hi drojf :) | |
| 17:02 | and jcamins and oleonard :) | |
| 17:04 | francharb | cait, finger crossed! |
| 17:04 | ;) | |
| 17:04 | cait | thx :) |
| 17:04 | for the moment I am trying to forget about it | |
| 17:04 | too annoying | |
| 17:04 | francharb | ++ |
| 17:05 | cait | any exciting koha news today? :) |
| 17:05 | drojf | argentina is in for kohacon13 |
| 17:05 | francharb | circulation rules works real fine! |
| 17:05 | sorry, bad joke | |
| 17:05 | ;) | |
| 17:05 | drojf | lol |
| 17:06 | francharb | but I will work on a testing plan soon!! |
| 17:09 | * oleonard | was pleased with his progress on jQueryUI Dialog until he got to labels and patron cards |
| 17:09 | jcamins | cait: you finished it today, though. That's the important thing. |
| 17:10 | * jcamins | uploaded patches for bug 6720 and bug 8205 |
| 17:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Saved authorities always show as 'Default' |
| 17:10 | francharb | I work with a library that will have around 30 branches at the end of the projet. We spend a couple of days talking on the set up and when we talked about hold rules, well, it was a little bit messy in my head to figure out if it will works with every setting we chose! hehe! I need to test more! |
| 17:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC |
| 17:10 | jcamins | Bug 7475 |
| 17:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Option to overlay authorities |
| 17:10 | jcamins | ^^ that's what I meant. 8205 is already passed QA. |
| 17:11 | francharb | cait, jcamins made a point! I hope you will at least celebrate today! |
| 17:12 | I raise a toast to cait! 0/ | |
| 17:13 | ;) | |
| 17:14 | and I go back on my migration report | |
| 17:14 | see ya | |
| 17:14 | oleonard | Bye francharb |
| 17:15 | cait | francharb: test, document and share= |
| 17:15 | ? | |
| 17:15 | I am sure you know way more than me already :) | |
| 17:15 | francharb | cait, that's my goal |
| 17:15 | cait | jcamins++ |
| 17:15 | and francharb++ and oleonard++ | |
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| 17:26 | atmanning | I have multiple runaway rebuild_zebra.pl processes going! How can I control how often rebuild_zebra runs? There are no crontab files around to edit. Is this hidden somewhere in the configuration files? |
| 17:26 | running on debian - koha-common | |
| 17:28 | feel free to point me to a link... I continue to search the Koha site for info about this... | |
| 17:29 | cait | atmanning: how did you install Koha? |
| 17:29 | jcamins | atmanning: crontab -e |
| 17:29 | cait | which version and os? |
| 17:29 | jwagner | atmanning, you should have a crontab for the koha user, with an entry for rebuild_zebra |
| 17:29 | jcamins | Oh, koha-common? |
| 17:29 | wahanui | koha-common is the one you want, the main koha one needs a bit more work (its for setting up a single instance) |
| 17:29 | jcamins | Just edit /etc/cron.d/koha-common. :) |
| 17:30 | atmanning | latest debian ... used apt-get to install |
| 17:30 | jcamins | atmanning: in that case, see my last suggestion. |
| 17:30 | And ignore the complicated one I gave you at first. | |
| 17:30 | * jcamins | is currently photographing books, so he's a little distracted. |
| 17:30 | atmanning | found the file - thanks! I was looking in /var/spool/cron, which is empty and was all confused |
| 17:31 | jcamins | Yeah, /var/spool/cron is where cron output can be stored. |
| 17:31 | (but isn't, on Linux, so far as I know) | |
| 17:36 | atmanning | do I need to restart koha somehow after editing that crontab file? |
| 17:37 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 17:37 | Just kill off your runaway Zebras. :) | |
| 17:38 | drojf | zebra bbqueue |
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| 17:43 | atmanning | with 135000 records, that rebuild_zebra process seems to be taking way too long... |
| 17:46 | jcamins | atmanning: if you edited a sizeable percentage of the database, it'll take a couple of hours. |
| 17:47 | atmanning | hmm.... I added the records two weeks ago and have done nothing since. Should I run it from the command line instead to check for errors? |
| 17:48 | drojf | do you run it with -r? that rebuilds everything completely |
| 17:48 | jcamins | I would pause the cron job (comment it out), kill all the running rebuild_zebra processes, then do koha-rebuild-zebra --full |
| 17:48 | Then unpause the cron jobs. | |
| 17:48 | Sounds like your system has been deadlocked for two weeks. | |
| 17:50 | tcohen | does FineNotifyAtCheckin calculates fines for patron? does it compete with fines.pl? |
| 17:55 | atmanning | killed all the jobs, running from command line... perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v |
| 17:56 | jcamins | atmanning: if you installed from the packages, you should be running sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full |
| 17:58 | atmanning | how can I monitor output from the koha-rebuild-zebra process? /var/log/koha/? |
| 17:59 | jcamins | sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full --verbose? |
| 17:59 | man koha-rebuild-zebra will tell you. :) | |
| 17:59 | You just missed the guy who wrote that script, so he can't tell you off the top of his head. ;) | |
| 18:00 | atmanning | ooh, forgot this stuff had man pages.... was looking through the wiki.. |
| 18:01 | jcamins | atmanning: yeah, I'm lazy and usually use the man pages. ;) |
| 18:02 | tcohen | #koha, what is the fines.pl script for? I mean, aren't the fines and overdues calculated on check-in? |
| 18:03 | jcamins | tcohen: they were not until 3.8. |
| 18:03 | tcohen | exactly |
| 18:04 | cait | tcohen: and I still think you can use it |
| 18:04 | tcohen | but we have a bug against master and 3.8.x |
| 18:04 | cait | because without patrons don't see they have fines |
| 18:04 | and it will not show up in their accounts or notices | |
| 18:04 | jcamins | tcohen: yeah, the switch broke things. |
| 18:04 | tcohen | but... they don't have fines until the do a check-in |
| 18:04 | cait | they do. |
| 18:05 | well, here they do | |
| 18:05 | tcohen | as the amount won't be calculated until they check-in? |
| 18:05 | jcamins | tcohen: that's what fines.pl calculates. |
| 18:05 | cait | yeah, that's why we still need the cronjob |
| 18:06 | tcohen | so, every new [frequency], you expect the fines.pl script to add an amount of money to the debt the patron has |
| 18:06 | so it is shown to the user | |
| 18:06 | cait | yeah |
| 18:07 | for libraires not using hourly loans | |
| 18:07 | you would run it once a day | |
| 18:07 | or every hour for hourly probably? | |
| 18:07 | tcohen | (you can charge $X for every Y days I think) |
| 18:07 | cait | yes |
| 18:07 | but it checks the calendar and dates | |
| 18:08 | so it will only add a fine every x days | |
| 18:08 | not every day, even if it's run more often | |
| 18:08 | tcohen | I still don't understand why we could need a cronjob for that |
| 18:09 | cait | we always had one? |
| 18:09 | I mean, that's not a new feature | |
| 18:09 | it's only something that can work differently now | |
| 18:09 | the cronjob was used to check every night if book was overdue and put a fine on it when the rules said there should be one | |
| 18:10 | tcohen | yes, but we can calculate that on check-in or when going to tha patron's details |
| 18:11 | I guess it is possible that from one day to the other there might be a policy change | |
| 18:11 | charging more/less money for overdue days | |
| 18:11 | and we could want for a period the charge the patron using some config, and the remaining days another one | |
| 18:12 | jcamins | tcohen: right, we *should* calculate it every time we need to tell someone what the fine is, but we don't. |
| 18:12 | We have to use the cron job for that. | |
| 18:12 | cait | hm |
| 18:12 | I think maybe I disagree here | |
| 18:12 | if you change the rules | |
| 18:12 | and the patron already checked the account for his fine... it shouldn't change | |
| 18:12 | fines that were set when policy x was in place | |
| 18:12 | must remain | |
| 18:12 | tcohen | exactly |
| 18:12 | cait | and when the notice was sent out and told them the fine amount |
| 18:12 | you can't change it | |
| 18:12 | history has to be kept | |
| 18:12 | tcohen | and thats why a fines.pl cronjob should remain |
| 18:13 | i guess | |
| 18:13 | maybe there are other use cases | |
| 18:15 | is there any doc on the use cases that have been taken into account when writing those libs/scripts? | |
| 18:15 | jcamins | tcohen: I highly doubt it. |
| 18:15 | cait | tcohen: maybe talk to eythian |
| 18:15 | he had started on an account rewrite | |
| 18:16 | and I think he did a pod for a new modue | |
| 18:16 | and looked at this | |
| 18:16 | tcohen | we need it to avoid confusion, because it is not straightforward to understand those concurrent libs/scripts |
| 18:16 | not to speak about the interaction with those systemprefs | |
| 18:16 | cait | agreed |
| 18:16 | jcamins | cait: I think tcohen is asking about the existing hourly loans code. |
| 18:16 | cait | ah |
| 18:16 | I never touched hourly so far | |
| 18:16 | no help here :( | |
| 18:16 | jcamins | (by which I mean, the fine stuff that the hourly loans added) |
| 18:17 | cait | but I agree, more documentation is needed |
| 18:17 | tcohen | i'm reading code so i can try to help on bug 8110 |
| 18:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days |
| 18:17 | cait | I didn't even know it changed the fines behaviour :( |
| 18:17 | jcamins | That's the calculating fines on checkin. |
| 18:18 | tcohen | and found i don't fully understand the interaction between fines.pl and the current sysprefs |
| 18:19 | #koha, have a nice weekend, got to levae right now | |
| 18:19 | oleonard | Bye tcohen |
| 18:20 | One more small cut to YUI: Bug 8283 | |
| 18:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace usage of YUI Cookie utility with jQuery Cookie plugin |
| 18:22 | jcamins | oleonard++ |
| 18:23 | cait | oleonard++ |
| 18:24 | oleonard | Now I'm off for two weeks, so you guys keep this ship running for me okay? |
| 18:24 | cait | oh |
| 18:24 | we will try | |
| 18:24 | butit will be hard | |
| 18:24 | where are you going? :) | |
| 18:25 | oleonard | Thailand |
| 18:25 | cait | oh! |
| 18:25 | safe travels and have lots of fun :) | |
| 18:25 | and make some beautiful photos for us :) | |
| 18:25 | oleonard | Thanks, I'm going to do my best to have fun |
| 18:26 | I will be thinking of rangi and his many trips back and forth while flying across the Pacific for the first time | |
| 18:26 | cait | how long is your trip? |
| 18:28 | oleonard | We leave Sunday and return on July 5, almost two full weeks |
| 18:30 | cait | not taht long! |
| 18:30 | but I met someone from sf on the train today | |
| 18:31 | * oleonard | has to leave |
| 18:31 | oleonard | Bye everyone |
| 18:31 | cait | oh ok :) |
| 18:31 | so I will spare you my thoughts about vacation lengths :P | |
| 18:31 | bye oleonard | |
| 18:31 | :) | |
| 18:31 | oleonard | Hold that thought... |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea | oleonard - be safe, have fun |
| 18:32 | bother the typo made me miss him. Hate it when that happens | |
| 18:32 | cait | hi wizzyrea - know exactly what you mean :) |
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| 19:06 | rangi | oh argentina now too |
| 19:07 | * jcamins | imagines the denizens of #koha at a pro-Peron rally. |
| 19:08 | jcamins | (I actually had Evita stuck in my head earlier, too, but now it's firmly ensconced) |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | don't cry for me argentina |
| 19:09 | rangi | heh |
| 19:31 | nengard left #koha | |
| 19:39 | rangi | kids want breakfast, brb |
| 19:44 | jcamins | You know what would be useful? |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | what? |
| 19:45 | jcamins | A way to integrate pootle more closely into running Koha installations, so you could have librarians who find mistranslations easily correct it. |
| 19:47 | cait | yeah :) |
| 19:48 | jcamins | Some kind of pootle overlay, perhaps. |
| 19:48 | Turn on the pootle overlay, tell it you want to retranslate something, click the string you want to retranslate, and have it go straight to that string. | |
| 19:49 | Also helpful when people don't like the word "cart." | |
| 19:49 | rangi | yep i talked about that at the hackfest actually |
| 19:49 | jcamins | Darn. I never have new ideas. |
| 19:50 | :P | |
| 19:50 | So, where's the proof of concept? | |
| 19:50 | I'd test it. | |
| 19:50 | rangi | hehe well its one from about 4 years ago |
| 19:50 | have no idea how to do it | |
| 19:50 | jcamins | Aww. |
| 19:50 | Me either. | |
| 19:50 | rangi | the only way to jump to a string in pootle is via a search |
| 19:50 | and it may or may not be the one | |
| 19:50 | jcamins | Right. |
| 19:51 | cait | search is still kinda limited in pootle |
| 19:51 | although better than it was with kartouche (kartouche having no search at all) | |
| 19:51 | rangi | its under active development |
| 19:51 | pootle that is | |
| 19:52 | we could get involved, find the bugs list etc see if anyone is working on something like jump to a string | |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | what would be cool |
| 19:52 | would be a mode where all strings are linked | |
| 19:52 | and you click it and it takes you there | |
| 19:52 | cait | hm yeah, but then you could not switch between pages :) |
| 19:53 | rangi | yep but a toggle on and off |
| 19:53 | cait | yep |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | well it'd have to be something like a firefox plugin or something |
| 19:53 | rangi | toggle translation mode on |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | ^^^^ |
| 19:53 | cait | I would still like to see the manual being fixed |
| 19:53 | rangi | edit the .po file locally |
| 19:53 | then a 'submit my changes' button | |
| 19:53 | cait | I think perhaps we could have a bookmarklet |
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| 19:54 | cait | click the stirng, click the bookmarklet, start a search in pootle |
| 19:54 | and if it could search for string + template name maybe | |
| 19:54 | rangi | http://katipo.co.nz/software/k[…]page-editing.html |
| 19:54 | like that | |
| 19:55 | atmanning | I just saw this output from rebuild_zebra.pl: Records exported: 135392 DBD::mysql::st execute failed: The table 'zebraqueue' is full at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 282. Is there anything I can do to resolve the problem? It took about three hours to get to this point in the script. |
| 19:56 | rangi | did you run out of diskspace ? |
| 19:56 | jcamins | atmanning: truncate zebraqueue. |
| 19:57 | atmanning | It says it is reindexing zebra, but I'm not sure if it is hopeless and there is no output.... ooh I see the disk is full ... grrr |
| 19:57 | rangi | yeah you will get that if the disk is full |
| 19:58 | you need enough space to write out all the records as marcxml, then enough space to create the indexes of them | |
| 19:58 | jcamins | atmanning: then I'd run the mysql recovery program, whatever it is, because this is probably why your system was deadlocked, and who knows how many problems there have been. |
| 19:58 | rangi: actually, this is an even bigger problem than that... the mysql error means that root can't even write to the device. | |
| 19:58 | rangi | wel yeah if the disk is full |
| 19:58 | you will get that | |
| 19:59 | no one, not even root, can write to a full device | |
| 19:59 | jcamins | rangi: unless you were tampering with your filesystem settings, that shouldn't happen. |
| 19:59 | rangi | eh? |
| 19:59 | jcamins | A "full" disk has 15% free space. |
| 19:59 | rangi | um no |
| 20:00 | jcamins | Really? |
| 20:00 | rangi | its totally possible to actually fill a disk |
| 20:00 | happens all the time | |
| 20:00 | jcamins | Well, I know it's possible, but it shouldn't happen when you're indexing... at least unless ext reserves space differently than ffs/ufs. |
| 20:00 | rangi | actually ive seen /var be filled tons of times |
| 20:01 | and had to truncate logs | |
| 20:02 | and if you have you havent set innodb_file_per_table | |
| 20:03 | that innodb data file grows huge fast, and never gets smaller | |
| 20:03 | jcamins | I've seen that too, but a non-root process shouldn't be able to cause that error in MySQL. |
| 20:03 | Hm. | |
| 20:03 | ext2 only does 5% buffer. | |
| 20:03 | rangi | why not? |
| 20:03 | if mysql is writing to space at the same time | |
| 20:03 | jcamins | I had understood that MySQL was run as root. |
| 20:03 | rangi | yes |
| 20:04 | atmanning | rebooting first to see if the system will wipe out some temp files on a clean startup, then I may resize this virtual machine's drive. Any recommendations for min disk size for a library of 200K books? |
| 20:04 | jcamins | The indexing is not. |
| 20:04 | rangi | yes |
| 20:04 | each of those queuries | |
| 20:04 | jcamins | In order for MySQL to run out of disk space, that implies that the filesystem was *already* overfilled. |
| 20:04 | rangi | increments the binary index |
| 20:05 | jcamins | Because the indexer would have crashed prior to MySQL running out of space otherwise. |
| 20:05 | rangi | what well happen is rebuild zebra fills all space |
| 20:05 | it doenst crash, just truncates the last record it was trying to write | |
| 20:06 | and meanwhile mysql is still trying to write a ton of binary logs | |
| 20:06 | and probably syslog is growing and helping create the death spiral | |
| 20:07 | jcamins | I guess it depends on the size of the filesystem, but 5% of 20GB is still a lot of space for MySQL to be able to fill up so quickly. |
| 20:07 | rangi | its why i put /var/lib/mysql on its own partition |
| 20:07 | * jcamins | does that as well. |
| 20:07 | rangi | its not just mysql, lots of things run as root |
| 20:07 | and actually mysql writes as mysql | |
| 20:07 | on debian | |
| 20:08 | * rangi | just looked |
| 20:08 | rangi | -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 5242880 Jun 23 06:49 ib_logfile0 |
| 20:08 | -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 5242880 Jun 23 06:49 ib_logfile1 | |
| 20:08 | jcamins | Ah, well, that explains why MySQL could run into problems before you got a "no space on device" message from Zebra. |
| 20:08 | * jcamins | has gotten those messages before. |
| 20:09 | rangi | i dont think its even got as far as zebra |
| 20:09 | its still dumping the records, zebraidx hasnt even been called yet | |
| 20:09 | jcamins | Ohhh. |
| 20:09 | Okay, never mind, that makes sense. | |
| 20:10 | rangi | back to atmanning question ;) |
| 20:10 | how big is the disk now atmanning ? | |
| 20:10 | * jcamins | saw the "table zebraqueue is full" message, and presumed it had to be on the UPDATE at the end of indexing. |
| 20:17 | rangi | i think 20gig would be enough for that size db |
| 20:21 | jcamins | Depending on what else you have on there. If you are also using the server for a digital repository, you'll want more. |
| 20:32 | Hm. | |
| 20:32 | atmanning | current disk is default debian size for VirtualBox guest OS - 8 Gig - resizing... |
| 20:33 | jcamins | I don't think I'll respond to Paul's message explaining that in fact - does not exclude an item from search, generally speaking. |
| 20:34 | rangi | not without ccl= somewhere in there |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Right. |
| 20:35 | I'm also not feeling in the mood to explain that QueryFuzzy does not actually do anything with the dictionary. | |
| 20:37 | sekjal | time for me to go. have a good weekend, #koha! |
| 20:38 | rangi | cya sekjal |
| 20:38 | jcamins | (plus, I'm not entirely clear what it *does* do) |
| 20:38 | (other than confuse people) | |
| 20:38 | Okay, I think I have no choice but to brave rush hour with my photography equipment. | |
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| 22:21 | jcamins | Ooh, this is challenging. |
| 22:22 | On the one hand, a KohaCon in the US would be much easier to get to. On the other hand, Cordoba isn't as expensive as Edinburgh... quite. | |
| 22:26 | drojf | for me it's all far away and will sound scary to the people in charge of the budget |
| 22:30 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 22:30 | Good answer on the list. | |
| 22:38 | drojf | seems like you scared away the kobli guy |
| 22:40 | jcamins | drojf: that is unfortunate, but if you're not going to contribute, just talk big, I have no patience for you. |
| 22:43 | (that was the generic "you," you, drojf, don't do that, and I have lots of patience for you:) | |
| 22:43 | drojf | i was kidding. it's not unfortunate, your email was the right thing and he seems to be just ignorant. if he is neither going to contribute nor to answer a simple question he should stay away with the anouncement in the first place |
| 22:43 | heh i got that ;) | |
| 22:44 | jcamins | Hey, isn't it midnight-ish in Berlin? |
| 22:44 | drojf | it is |
| 22:45 | 0:44 | |
| 22:45 | jcamins | Why are you awake, then? |
| 22:47 | drojf | have been importing a bigger (as in ~1000 biblios) set of data to the koha pi and looking at some git 101 |
| 22:47 | jcamins | Ahhh. |
| 22:48 | drojf | i can be very busy when i should do other things :D |
| 22:51 | i have to summon dpavlin in the coming days, plack takes more ram than i expected. but i am still surprised that koha performs like that on the raspi | |
| 22:51 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 22:54 | drojf | hm. i came across http://www.librarieswithoutborders.org/ today and was wondering what library system they use. did not find any info, so i sent them an email but nobody has answered yet |
| 22:56 | heh. what makes you think that? i dont really know anything about them, but i get a lot of database errors on that site | |
| 22:59 | jcamins | Back when they were first trying to start a library in Cote d'Ivoire (or Ghana? I don't recall), they announced that they had encountered a serious problem: no power was available. |
| 23:00 | At the time I worked with someone who did that sort of thing- built sustainable power sources in underdeveloped regions. | |
| 23:00 | So I contacted them to say "hey, here's this person who has a charity providing power sources to non-profits like your proposed library." | |
| 23:01 | The first response I got was "thanks, we will let you know when we are prepared to deal with the power issues" (note, the reason I contacted them was because they announced the project was stalled until they could find a solution to the problem). | |
| 23:01 | I sent them a follow-up a year later, which they ignored. | |
| 23:01 | I don't think they ever built the library. | |
| 23:01 | Wherever it was. | |
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| 23:05 | drojf | hm. yes that is what i thought when i looked at the website. there is way too much affiliations and names and blah. looks like something that finances an administration that is too big and won't get things done at the level you would expect from their presentation |
| 23:05 | jcamins | Yup. After my experience in Afghanistan, I generally have little patience for NGOs. |
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| 23:06 | drojf | what did you do in afghanistan? |
| 23:06 | jcamins | I was a librarian. :) |
| 23:07 | drojf | i kind of expected that :) |
| 23:07 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 23:07 | I think you might be the only person who has ever anticipated that response, then. | |
| 23:08 | drojf | in what kind of library did you work there? you were involved with a ngo? |
| 23:08 | jcamins | I worked at the American University of Afghanistan. |
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| 23:09 | drojf | we will have a lot of guest ops soon |
| 23:09 | aaah now they start to time out :D | |
| 23:09 | jcamins | I guess the storm is pretty strong down in NC, too. |
| 23:12 | drojf | how long have you been in afghanistan? |
| 23:12 | jcamins | I was only there three months. |
| 23:12 | It was enough. ;) | |
| 23:13 | September-December 2007. | |
| 23:13 | drojf | was it planned like this or did you run away? ;) |
| 23:13 | jcamins | Oh, I didn't really have a plan at all. |
| 23:13 | I didn't like it there, so I left at the end of the semester. | |
| 23:14 | drojf | ok |
| 23:14 | i did not expect an american university there at all, i'm slightly confused what the concept is | |
| 23:15 | jcamins | So were they. |
| 23:15 | It was an English-language university charging American prices in Kabul. | |
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| 23:16 | drojf | sounds like something people in that area would need |
| 23:16 | jcamins | Well, not the prices. |
| 23:17 | drojf | maybe also not the rest of it ;) |
| 23:18 | wikipedia says "not for profit". what did they do with the money then? | |
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| 23:18 | * jcamins | would have thought that too, but apparently we were wrong. |
| 23:18 | drojf | heh |
| 23:19 | jcamins | Good question! |
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| 23:23 | drojf | is the sustainable energy-person still in that business? something like that might be useful if $100-automated-libraries really work out with koha |
| 23:24 | jcamins | If that person isn't, someone else will be, and I know who would know them. |
| 23:26 | drojf | i think i will vote for kohacon in nigeria for things like that. its amazing what is possible with ridiculously cheap hardware these days and i'd like to see people profit from that somehow. |
| 23:28 | i mean profit as in "be able to learn/ read", not $$$ | |
| 23:28 | jcamins | Right. |
| 23:28 | My problem is that I have to balance my desire to get the word about Koha out to people in Nigeria with my desire to actually go to a KohaCon. | |
| 23:29 | drojf | yeah i absolutely understand that |
| 23:30 | i might have voted for a kohacon in europe just because it is way more likely that i can actually go there | |
| 23:31 | but i did not expect to go to edinburgh either and when i asked if that would be possible the response was surprisingly positive, so who knows | |
| 23:31 | * jcamins | will cross his fingers for you. :) |
| 23:31 | drojf | :) |
| 23:32 | for me all 5 options will probably be 2x as much as edinburgh and we will see how that works out. the tactical vote would be "have usa now, then they cannot beat euro next time" but i think voting like that is too crazy | |
| 23:33 | jcamins | Also, it doesn't work like that. |
| 23:33 | Because of the rotation, USA and Europe will never be on the ballot together. :) | |
| 23:34 | At least, I don't think that could happen. | |
| 23:34 | drojf | why not? |
| 23:34 | jcamins | We rotate continents. |
| 23:35 | drojf | rotation has been a different continent so far, but i think "not the same country" was said a few times now and there are no fixed rules as far as i know |
| 23:35 | jcamins | Oh, I wasn't paying too close attention. |
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| 23:42 | drojf | i wonder how to interpret the fact that after kohacon in india, nobody from india came to the following kohacon |
| 23:42 | jcamins | Probably too expensive? |
| 23:45 | drojf | probably |
| 23:45 | jcamins | A lot of the attendees in India were students. |
| 23:47 | drojf | that's good! but i thought there were some support companies and assumed the one or the other person would make it to edinburgh too |
| 23:48 | but it is quite expensive to travel that way i guess | |
| 23:49 | almost 2, i'll better go to bed. good night jcamins, watch #koha ;) | |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Good night. |
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