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| 00:05 | bencahill joined #koha | |
| 01:42 | bencahill | Hey guys, nothing is coming up for catalog searches, and I'm not really up on what all is involved. I know zebra is running...any ideas? |
| 01:45 | I've got this in koha user's crontab: */10 * * * * KOHACONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null | |
| 01:46 | When running it manually as the koha user (without redirecting to /dev/null), this is the only output: UNIVERSAL->import is deprecated and will be removed in a future perl at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Memoize/Memcached.pm line 6 | |
| 01:49 | Soupermanito joined #koha | |
| 01:51 | bencahill | hmm, I'm guessing the /etc/koha/zebradb/ and its contents need to be owned by the koha user? |
| 01:54 | Soupermanito left #koha | |
| 01:56 | bencahill | Aha, I found something in the logs... (d'oh) |
| 02:05 | Searches are empty in OPAC and intranet, and I get this in logs: Memcached.pm: UNIVERSAL->import is deprecated and will be removed in a future perl at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Memoize/Memcached.pm line 6 | |
| 02:05 | I've searched for a bit, but can't figure out what's wrong... | |
| 02:05 | Wait, not that :-/ | |
| 02:05 | This: search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 227. | |
| 02:06 | I'm on 3.4.2...old, I know. | |
| 02:07 | Is anyone in here at this time of the day? | |
| 02:38 | I'm now running rebuild_zebra.pl with -b -r -z | |
| 02:38 | -b -r -v | |
| 02:40 | ...and still nothing :-/ | |
| 02:48 | Well, I suppose I'll go to bed, because everyone else has. :P I'll be up in 8 hours or so...cya ;) | |
| 05:02 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 05:03 | Oak | Ahoy me bon voyage hearties |
| 05:19 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 05:26 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 05:27 | mtompset | Hello. I guess everyone takes the weekend off? ;) |
| 06:45 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:48 | cait | hi #oh |
| 06:48 | hi #koha :) | |
| 07:02 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 07:05 | mbalmer joined #koha | |
| 07:16 | Oak | guten morgen cait |
| 07:17 | cait | guten morgen Oak :) |
| 07:17 | Oak | :) |
| 07:20 | rangi | wow how cool |
| 07:20 | cait | ? |
| 07:20 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ |
| 07:20 | wahanui | http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ is the website presentation |
| 07:21 | rangi | check it out |
| 07:21 | cait | mississippi? :) |
| 07:23 | Oak | cooool |
| 07:29 | rangi | yep |
| 07:29 | its cool that libraries are sponsoring! | |
| 07:36 | cait | it is :) |
| 08:32 | slef | blurgh# |
| 08:36 | cait | a wonderful morning to you slef ;) |
| 08:37 | slef | it looks quite nice and sunny out |
| 08:37 | but I've more printing to do and some work | |
| 08:38 | Oak | :) |
| 08:38 | Miles to go before I sleep | |
| 08:40 | slef | would anyone who will deffo be at the bar Monday 6pm like to give me their mobile number so I can warn if I'm delayed on the journey? |
| 08:40 | * rangi | will be in the air, dont land until 8.25pm |
| 08:40 | rangi | actually, ill be at heathrow about to board |
| 08:41 | slef | now this is one of the strangies |
| 08:41 | cait | slef: it would be great if you could perhaps drop a mail to the volunteer's list |
| 08:41 | I think I will have internet, but not sure about phone | |
| 08:42 | slef | I'm starting 150 miles north of there, will have been travelling hours before you get there, only to get there only 3h before you... |
| 08:43 | cait: OIC. I'll also pop on IRC if I'm not driving. | |
| 08:43 | rangi | heh |
| 08:43 | slef | maybe I should have said 9pm... oh well... joy of hindsight |
| 08:43 | cait | slef: not entirely sure yet I will be at the bar |
| 08:44 | I still have to find out where exactly my hotel is :) | |
| 08:44 | slef | leaving here 8am, should be 6h30 travel time, maybe 2h eating on the way, should be 1h30 to spare |
| 08:44 | rangi | i think even 9pm i wouldnt make it, got atarau's birthday party tomorrow then 36 hours of travel .. i think by the time i get there, ill get to the hotel say hi to cait, and go to sleep :) |
| 08:44 | slef | unless my maths is wrong again |
| 08:45 | cait | don't forget the hi to cait part :) |
| 08:45 | rangi | heh |
| 08:45 | slef | rangi: yeah thought you would arrive+crash-out... just 9pm to give me more Slack |
| 08:45 | rangi | *nod* |
| 08:45 | nengard might make it | |
| 08:46 | shes somewhere in the UK already, eating black pudding | |
| 08:46 | slef | Lancashire maybe? |
| 08:46 | rangi | could be |
| 08:46 | they were going to manchester i know that much | |
| 08:47 | Oak | they? |
| 08:47 | wahanui | they are non-xslt, but I will check that. |
| 08:47 | Oak | brooke with her? |
| 08:47 | slef | nengard and bengard at a guess |
| 08:47 | rangi | yeah |
| 08:47 | slef | rangi: which? :) |
| 08:48 | Oak | ah |
| 08:48 | rangi | bengard :) |
| 08:48 | cait | slef: what time do the volunteers have to show up at the kohacon site? :) |
| 08:49 | slef | cait: volunteers don't have to do anything... but I think 8.30am does that sound right? |
| 08:49 | cait | ok, crazy volunteers who want to do something then ;) |
| 08:50 | slef | cait: chairs+tables should be set up for us, so it's pack-stuffing, greeting, registering and probably faffing around with sound and vision equipment |
| 08:50 | cait | ah |
| 08:50 | slef | cait: rangi: do you want to chair a half-day out of the 3 days? |
| 08:50 | cait | i think I wouldn't be much help with the equipment |
| 08:51 | rangi | i can do that, not tuesday tho :) |
| 08:51 | slef | rangi: nah I guessed not Tuesday... you're speaking and only just arrived |
| 08:52 | wahanui: forget they | |
| 08:52 | Oak_ joined #koha | |
| 08:52 | wahanui | slef: I forgot they |
| 08:52 | rangi | but either of the other 2 is ok |
| 08:52 | slef | I found my stop/go cards from the last conference :) |
| 08:53 | zioha joined #koha | |
| 08:53 | slef | for session chairs to signal time remaining to the speaker |
| 08:53 | green/amber/red/pink | |
| 08:54 | I think we have an evening event too | |
| 08:55 | the message that was sent late Friday (yesterday) night isn't the clearest, but I think that's what it means | |
| 08:55 | rangi | yep mle was organising some celtic music |
| 08:55 | he was at the bar :) | |
| 08:55 | slef | oh cool, was he here? :) |
| 08:55 | rangi | yup |
| 08:55 | slef | cool |
| 08:55 | cait | yup |
| 08:55 | heh | |
| 08:55 | * cait | was here too |
| 08:55 | rangi | asked if people were interested, i said yes :) |
| 08:55 | slef | reads like something off tfln |
| 08:55 | cait | tfln? |
| 08:56 | rangi | texts from last night |
| 08:56 | cait | tfln is texts from last night |
| 08:56 | tfln? | |
| 08:56 | wahanui | tfln is texts from last night |
| 08:56 | slef | https://twitter.com/TFLN |
| 08:56 | cait | have to teach wahanui, because I will forget |
| 08:56 | slef | tfln is also https://twitter.com/TFLN |
| 08:56 | wahanui | okay, slef. |
| 08:56 | slef | any idea which evening? :) |
| 08:57 | rangi | wednesday |
| 08:57 | wahanui | wednesday is probably fine for me |
| 08:57 | slef | cool, that was when I'd've picked |
| 08:57 | rangi | 10:25 < mle_> sooo who fancies having an awesone gaelic singer session on wednesday night? |
| 08:57 | slef | some people probably scurrying off as soon as it ends Thursday |
| 08:58 | cait | not us :) |
| 08:58 | slef | no, not the heroes |
| 08:58 | the Koha all-stars | |
| 08:58 | sorry I mean the KOHA ALL-STARS | |
| 08:58 | rangi | heh |
| 08:58 | Oak_ | :) |
| 08:58 | cait | lol |
| 08:59 | slef | oh yeah |
| 08:59 | we got an EPS made of the koha logo | |
| 08:59 | which I can upload once we've paid for it | |
| 08:59 | rangi | ohh sweet |
| 09:00 | slef | might need further tweaks if it's ever used really big, as it's basically a trace, but seemed like a good idea to get a designer to make it |
| 09:01 | rangi | yeah it is a good idea |
| 09:02 | cait | slef+ |
| 09:02 | slef++ even | |
| 09:02 | great thing | |
| 09:02 | slef | sponsors++ |
| 09:04 | cait | slef: did you change the schedule? like you said yesterday? |
| 09:04 | perhaps we should kill the tables on the wiki, not sure they are still in sync | |
| 09:04 | can put a link to the website instead | |
| 09:05 | slef | cait: only on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/ |
| 09:05 | yeah, good move... Once And Only Once | |
| 09:05 | cait | on it right now |
| 09:05 | slef | Once And Only Once is http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OnceAndOnlyOnce |
| 09:05 | cait++ | |
| 09:06 | cait | slef: and sorry for the program.... I made rangi proof read |
| 09:06 | slef | no worries |
| 09:07 | I just damn near knocked the light off the ceiling | |
| 09:07 | I was moving a chair | |
| 09:07 | * slef | <-- not to be trusted with furniture |
| 09:07 | * cait | can't be trusted with office equipment |
| 09:08 | cait | on my internship at the library during study they had to use the first aid kid first time ever |
| 09:08 | slef | first aid kid? I like that typo :) |
| 09:09 | cait | lol |
| 09:09 | kit | |
| 09:09 | '''Scheduled times can be found on the website at http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/.''' | |
| 09:09 | ? | |
| 09:10 | any new registrations? | |
| 09:17 | slef | not this morning... although I seem to have two more registrations than names... just investigating that |
| 09:28 | cait | hmmm how many names do you have? :) |
| 09:39 | slef | yeah I figured out what had happened |
| 09:39 | it was the two people who registered without registering for either conference or hackfest | |
| 09:40 | I think we have 75 but I will now check that all speakers are registered | |
| 09:40 | mle | boom |
| 09:40 | cait | hi mle :) |
| 09:40 | slef | hi mle... thanks for fixing events... have we spent all the budget now? :) |
| 09:41 | mle: in other words, how much to hire teviot for an evening? | |
| 09:41 | mle: wrong window | |
| 09:41 | * slef | goes to talk to him over there |
| 09:59 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 10:00 | Oak | \o |
| 10:05 | slef | 75 people... added some unregistered speakers, deducted some duplicate registrations |
| 10:05 | cait | hm |
| 10:05 | slef | well, 76 people... 75 at conference, 49 at hackfest |
| 10:05 | cait | ok :) |
| 10:06 | wow | |
| 10:06 | I guess many peopl enot from uk? | |
| 10:06 | slef | it'll take me a minute to check but I feel 50-50 |
| 10:07 | cait | I am really excited :) |
| 10:08 | slef | 23 from UK |
| 10:09 | rough estimate | |
| 10:09 | we didn't ask for country | |
| 10:13 | cait | yeah, we forgot |
| 10:14 | hm | |
| 10:14 | * slef | goes to ask his super helper to design the attendee list |
| 10:14 | cait | why do you think not more from uk? |
| 10:14 | slef | tight budgets |
| 10:14 | cait | but it's so close :( |
| 10:15 | slef | I should have promoted it to more scottish groups |
| 10:15 | also it means losing a day of holiday | |
| 10:15 | (Tuesday) | |
| 10:16 | we knew that was a bit of a tough choice, but it made the venue easier to get | |
| 10:16 | cait | hm yes |
| 10:16 | slef | maybe another time we would not choose a year containing a royal jubilee and an olympics |
| 10:17 | but hey we bid for 2011 too you know ;) | |
| 10:17 | cait | I voted for you in 2011 :) |
| 10:17 | slef | thank you |
| 10:17 | cait | now in 5 years... |
| 10:17 | slef | I think we will bid again in 2022 at soonest |
| 10:17 | cait | maybe we can have one in germany ;) |
| 10:18 | slef | why? Is there a football championship there that we can clash with? ;) |
| 10:18 | cait | don't know |
| 10:18 | but with the continental rotating | |
| 10:18 | europe again in 5 ? or did i get it wrong? | |
| 10:18 | slef | no idea... I've been ignoring the voting mostly |
| 10:19 | 2013 and 2014 I think will be one in Africa and one in USA | |
| 10:19 | I guess USA was last in 2009, so maybe... | |
| 10:19 | 5 years | |
| 10:19 | maybe | |
| 10:19 | biab | |
| 10:19 | cait | time for me to head to the city for some last minute shopping |
| 10:20 | slef | any ideas for what we should buy you? ;) |
| 10:21 | * slef | afk |
| 10:22 | cait | hm? |
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| 11:00 | bencahill | Okay, so my search isn't working, and I get this in logs: search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 227. |
| 11:00 | Any ideas? | |
| 11:00 | wahanui | Any ideas are welcome :) |
| 11:00 | bencahill | I've got rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z in cron, and ran -b -r -v manually, but it still doesn't work... |
| 11:01 | cait | not sure the log error is really related to your problem |
| 11:02 | bencahill | cait: Okay... |
| 11:02 | cait | does the zebrasrv run? |
| 11:02 | search faq? | |
| 11:02 | wahanui | it has been said that search faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 11:02 | bencahill | cait: Yes, it's running now. |
| 11:02 | cait | what was the output of -b -v? |
| 11:02 | bencahill | I think I've looked at that, sec... |
| 11:02 | cait: -b -r -v? It looked good... | |
| 11:02 | cait | there was an i/u/d line? |
| 11:02 | that made sense? | |
| 11:03 | bencahill | This? 21:45:51-01/06 zebraidx(18140) [log] Records: 1933 i/u/d 1933/0/0 |
| 11:04 | I suppose that makes sense... | |
| 11:04 | wahanui: btw, that's a 404 here :-/ | |
| 11:04 | wahanui | bencahill: what? |
| 11:05 | bencahill | ...but I have read through the 'Searching' faq section. |
| 11:05 | wahanui: Is that not good? | |
| 11:07 | cait | wahanui is a bot :) |
| 11:08 | bencahill | orly? cool |
| 11:08 | cait | he can do factoids |
| 11:08 | like search faq? | |
| 11:08 | search faq? | |
| 11:08 | wahanui | i think search faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 11:08 | cait | well, you have to use the right keywords |
| 11:08 | wahanui botsnack cookie | |
| 11:08 | wahanui | thanks cait :) |
| 11:08 | bencahill | wahanui: Well, you are wrong :P |
| 11:08 | wahanui | ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.... |
| 11:08 | bencahill | wrong? |
| 11:09 | cait | hm about your problem |
| 11:09 | it could be related to permissoins | |
| 11:09 | permissions | |
| 11:09 | make sure that the zebra files are owned by the same user as your koha files | |
| 11:09 | bencahill | Yeah, I remember having problems with that in the past, but I don't remember what... |
| 11:09 | cait | what kind of installation did you do? |
| 11:09 | bencahill | cait: I used the AUR koha package (on arch linux) |
| 11:09 | cait | AUR? |
| 11:10 | do you have a link? | |
| 11:10 | and did you select a standard or a dev install? | |
| 11:10 | bencahill | cait: An unofficial 'repository' for archlinux (it just has buildscripts, not binaries) |
| 11:10 | I'm sure it was standard... | |
| 11:11 | Right now everything in /etc/koha/ (including zebradb/) is owned by root:root. Shouldn't zebradb/ be owned by koha:koha, since that's the user I run it as? | |
| 11:13 | cait: Oh, link: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41853 | |
| 11:13 | cait | yep |
| 11:13 | it should | |
| 11:13 | try changing it | |
| 11:13 | bencahill | cait: ...and this is what it uses to make the package: http://aur.archlinux.org/packa[…]/ko/koha/PKGBUILD |
| 11:13 | k, sec | |
| 11:13 | cait | it being root:root is probably your problem :) |
| 11:14 | bencahill | Ok, it still isn't giving me any results...should I restart zebrasrv? |
| 11:15 | cait | hm |
| 11:15 | you changed the whole directory, right? | |
| 11:15 | bencahill | The zebra dir, chown -R koha:koha /etc/koha/zebradb/ |
| 11:15 | cait | hm ok |
| 11:15 | I am quite sure it's permissions | |
| 11:16 | restarting zebrasrv might be an idea | |
| 11:16 | bencahill | ...restarted, still nothing. :-/ |
| 11:17 | cait | hm |
| 11:17 | sorry, I am not sure where to look next | |
| 11:17 | weekends are pretty silent here | |
| 11:17 | bencahill | Ah |
| 11:17 | cait | but I think in an hour or 2 perhaps some people from US might be around |
| 11:17 | bencahill | Okay... |
| 11:18 | cait: Is there a way I could turn on more verbose logging from Koha? | |
| 11:18 | cait | there are zebra logs |
| 11:18 | I don't think your problem is within Koha | |
| 11:18 | bencahill | Okay... |
| 11:18 | The zebra logs don't seem to have anything new for a long time...but I can't understand the datecodes | |
| 11:19 | e.g. these, but I think these are from a long time ago: 03:12:27-24/08 zebrasrv(5) [warn] chdir /home/libuser [Permission denied] | |
| 11:19 | cait | you checked everything here, right? |
| 11:19 | http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ | |
| 11:20 | in the search section? | |
| 11:20 | bencahill | I think so... |
| 11:20 | The odd thing is that everything was working before, and I don't think I changed anything :-/ | |
| 11:20 | cait | yeah, but the permission denied would be one |
| 11:21 | you could try to reindex, using the koha user | |
| 11:21 | make sure the zebra files are not owned by root again | |
| 11:21 | bencahill | I did that already...rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v |
| 11:21 | And yes, they're still koha | |
| 11:21 | cait | and not fatals? |
| 11:21 | ok | |
| 11:21 | you could also start the zebrasrv so it shows you what happns with every search | |
| 11:21 | not in the background I mean | |
| 11:21 | bencahill | Oh right, okay sec |
| 11:22 | Oak | that's a good idea! |
| 11:23 | bencahill | oi |
| 11:23 | 06:28:24-02/06 [fatal] Failed to bind to unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket [No such file or directory] | |
| 11:23 | 06:28:24-02/06 [fatal] Failed to bind to unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/authoritysocket [No such file or directory] | |
| 11:23 | cait | ah |
| 11:23 | there you go | |
| 11:23 | missing files | |
| 11:23 | or it can't access them | |
| 11:23 | bencahill | Not sure why those weren't in the zebra log :-/ |
| 11:24 | Yes, I remember this from before... | |
| 11:24 | Oh yeah, that worked :) | |
| 11:25 | * bencahill | loves errors |
| 11:25 | Oak | how? |
| 11:25 | bencahill | Oak: I did mkdir -p /var/run/koha/zebradb/, and chown -R koha:koha /var/run/koha/ |
| 11:25 | neither existed previously | |
| 11:25 | Oak | ah |
| 11:26 | so the script from yhager guy works... with a little effort | |
| 11:26 | cait | bencahill: you can search now? |
| 11:27 | because I have to catch a bus :) | |
| 11:27 | bencahill | cait: Yes, I can. :) |
| 11:27 | cait: thx much | |
| 11:27 | cait | yay! |
| 11:27 | bencahill | :) |
| 11:27 | cait | glad we were able to figure it out |
| 11:27 | bbl :) | |
| 11:27 | bencahill | cya :) |
| 11:27 | Oak | i wish we could ask Arch guys to maintain a koha package with all dependencies in their repository? |
| 11:28 | or may be someone from us can take over that script, and fix it, and maintain it? | |
| 11:28 | jcamins | Oak: none of the Arch devs I know are interested in Koha. |
| 11:28 | Oak | :( |
| 11:28 | jcamins, have you used Arch? | |
| 11:28 | bencahill | Yeah, that would be nice. |
| 11:29 | Oak | i hear it's very nice |
| 11:29 | jcamins | Oak: I have not, no. |
| 11:29 | Oak | and light, and rolling release... and their wiki is really the best of Linux wikis. |
| 11:29 | bencahill | Oak: I like it very much, just for it's straight packages without all the extra distro tools and abstractions. |
| 11:29 | Oak | hmm. |
| 11:29 | bencahill | And yeah, the wiki is great. |
| 11:29 | Oak | wiki is awesome. |
| 11:30 | bencahill | ;) |
| 11:30 | jcamins | A lot of my friends do, though. |
| 11:30 | Oak | :) |
| 11:31 | bencahill, you installed 3.8? | |
| 11:31 | bencahill | Oak: No, I'm still on 3.4 |
| 11:31 | Oak | ah |
| 11:35 | slef | jcamins: one of the co-op suggested doing the presentation itself as recorded video and then using videophone for the Q+A. What do you think? |
| 11:37 | jcamins | slef: I could try that. |
| 11:37 | I just have to figure out how to record a video. | |
| 11:37 | And where to put it. | |
| 11:38 | slef | jcamins: I think the ideal will be if we can run two projectors, one with your fizzog and one with the slides. Otherwise you may be side-by-side or picture-in-picture with your slides. |
| 11:39 | jcamins: got cameraphone? | |
| 11:40 | jcamins | Is that a program? |
| 11:41 | I have a phone with a camera, but I expect it would be easier to record myself with a webcam. | |
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| 11:43 | slef | jcamins: oh. No, it's a phone with a video camera. Maybe it can do video calls? Yes, recording with a webcam should be pretty easy. I think "Cheese" on Gnome |
| 11:44 | jcamins | I'll try to figure out. I suspect probably Verizon doesn't allow video calling. |
| 11:44 | verizon-- | |
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| 12:55 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 13:18 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 13:40 | slef | hi drojf |
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| 13:54 | jcamins | @later tell gmcharlt When you have a chance, I'd be interested in seeing any preliminary work you did on Koha::Indexer::MARC::RecordNormalizer. |
| 13:54 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:56 | Oak | jcamins++ for fixing 3.6.5 repo's dependency issue |
| 13:58 | jcamins | Oak: yeah, I only ever upgraded so didn't realize it was a problem. |
| 13:58 | Oak | :) |
| 14:00 | drojf | hi slef. how am i supposed to find the conference location if the google streetview car could not drive up to the building? ;) |
| 14:03 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 14:16 | bencahill | Oak: Hehe, predicting on freenode/#archlinux, I see :P |
| 14:17 | Oak | yup |
| 14:17 | hate it when they get defensive when they really should just be looking at what other person is saying. | |
| 14:18 | that information http://archlinux.mirrors.uk2.n[…]tore-Usbstick.txt should be in there https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind[…]nstallation_Media | |
| 14:18 | bencahill | Oak: I'll bet you could edit it yourself...maybe you need an account. |
| 14:18 | Oak | *sigh* i'll probably do that. |
| 14:19 | will create an account. | |
| 14:19 | bencahill | Oak: Don't worry about others; often they are just in a bad mood. :) |
| 14:19 | Oak | :) that, is true |
| 14:46 | bencahill, https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind[…]ts_original_state | |
| 14:47 | now hopefully the edit will get accepted? or something like that. | |
| 14:47 | bencahill | Oak: Nice. :) |
| 14:48 | Oak | :) |
| 14:48 | bencahill | The prediction has come true! |
| 14:48 | Oak | lol |
| 14:48 | funny | |
| 14:49 | when i said that i did not mean i'll add the part myself... that thought did not come to my mind actually. | |
| 14:49 | i just knew that that part belonged there. | |
| 14:49 | bencahill | This was said after you left: |
| 14:49 | 09:17:03 thestinger | I think he just threatened to actually edit the wiki │ \s\ | |
| 14:49 | Oak | and someone will add it someday |
| 14:49 | bencahill | 09:17:06 thestinger | oh no, I'm scared │ _AtheoS_ |
| 14:50 | Oak | :) oh well. we'll see if the admins approve the edit. |
| 14:50 | bencahill | :) |
| 14:51 | So...could koha be somewhat CPU-bound on a slower cpu, like a P4 2.4? | |
| 14:51 | Oak | i think RAM is the bottle neck |
| 14:51 | bencahill | Hmm... |
| 14:51 | Oak | always is. but, someone more experienced will answer that i guess |
| 14:53 | slef | drojf: can't it see it across the square? And at the back? |
| 14:58 | bencahill | Well, requests aren't blazing fast (3-4 sec), but according to htop, it's 100% CPU during the pageload, and I've got plenty of free RAM (no swap usage) |
| 14:59 | I did an NYTProf on circulation.pl, and I'm spending 327ms on C4/Languages.pm :-/ | |
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| 15:00 | jcamins | bencahill: yeah, Languages is awful. |
| 15:00 | bencahill | jcamins: Do you want to take a look at my NYTProf output to see if you have any recommendations? |
| 15:03 | jcamins | bencahill: nah, I run NYTProf on every request. |
| 15:03 | * jcamins | is addicted to performance information. |
| 15:03 | jcamins | What version of Koha are you using right now? |
| 15:03 | bencahill | jcamins: 3.4.8 |
| 15:03 | jcamins | (*exact* version, including the last digits) |
| 15:03 | bencahill | :P |
| 15:03 | Oh, are there more? | |
| 15:04 | jcamins | Oh, 3.4.8 is old enough I can tell you that you're not going to be able to use memcached. |
| 15:04 | If you were on 3.6, later versions have memcached support for C4::Languages. | |
| 15:04 | bencahill | I am using memcached, and I remember it speeding things up quite a bit. :-/ |
| 15:04 | Ah, for Languages, I see. | |
| 15:05 | So upgrading could speed things up | |
| 15:05 | ? | |
| 15:06 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 15:06 | Let me find what version. | |
| 15:07 | bencahill | It's just that I've been using that AUR 'package' for a while, since it knows all the perl deps and such... |
| 15:07 | But that's kind of a pain anyway; it may just be easier to use CPAN... | |
| 15:09 | jcamins | There are not many added Perl dependencies for 3.6. |
| 15:10 | Wait! | |
| 15:10 | The 3.4.8 *release* includes the memcached for the languages. | |
| 15:10 | It's the very first version. | |
| 15:11 | bencahill | Ysy! |
| 15:11 | jcamins | Take a look at NYTProf, and see which sub that time is being spent in. |
| 15:11 | It'll probably just be one. | |
| 15:11 | bencahill | Okay, sec, I'm doing something else for a min... |
| 15:11 | jcamins | Take your time. :) |
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| 15:16 | cait | hi #koha |
| 15:16 | Oak | wb cait |
| 15:16 | where did you go on a bus? | |
| 15:16 | bencahill | jcamins: Hmm, it looks like a bunch of subs, the most of which by far is getAllLanguages |
| 15:20 | * Oak | wants to learn about NYTprof |
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| 15:21 | jcamins | bencahill: do you have memcached running? |
| 15:21 | mtompset | Greetings. |
| 15:21 | cait | @wunder EDI |
| 15:22 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 9.7°C (4:21 PM BST on June 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:22 | jcamins | getAllLanguages shouldn't have to do processing more than once. |
| 15:22 | cait | hm |
| 15:22 | bencahill | jcamins: Um, no, it wasn't. |
| 15:22 | * bencahill | is a dummy :P |
| 15:22 | mtompset | What is @wunder EDI? |
| 15:23 | * bencahill | profiles again |
| 15:23 | jcamins | mtompset: gets the weather at EDI (Edinburgh). |
| 15:23 | mtompset | @wunder MNL |
| 15:24 | huginn` | mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 28.0°C (11:00 PM PHT on June 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:25 | mtompset | Neat... I tried registering to make a couple suggestions on the Wiki pages... but I have yet to receive a confirmation email. Does that take a day? |
| 15:25 | cait | mtompset: sadly it's broken right now due to massive spamming :( |
| 15:25 | gmcharlt: ping? | |
| 15:26 | jcamins | mtompset: there have been issues with wiki registration. |
| 15:26 | mtompset | Okay, good. At least it is broken and not some email getting lost in the ether. |
| 15:27 | Why would anyone want to spam koha's wiki?! | |
| 15:27 | jcamins | mtompset: because we might want to buy something silly. |
| 15:28 | mtompset | good grief! we don't need aids for this or that, rolexs, or whatever. |
| 15:28 | Actually, a lot of boards that require registration have a question: are you human? | |
| 15:28 | cait | it's bots spamming I think... unlike wahanui and huginn they know nothing about koha |
| 15:29 | I think we could do with are you human, but we didn't want captchas | |
| 15:29 | bencahill | jcamins: With memcached, Langauages drops down to #3 in the exclusive time-sorted file list |
| 15:29 | mtompset | I hate captchas! |
| 15:29 | jcamins | bencahill: run it a few more time with various records, and it should drop down a bit further. |
| 15:29 | bencahill | jcamins: getAllLanguages is still by far the highest in it's subs, but it's excl and inc times are halved. |
| 15:30 | jcamins: Okay. | |
| 15:30 | jcamins | bencahill: I think that's the case, anyway. It may be different with a P4. :P |
| 15:30 | bencahill | Hehe. |
| 15:30 | mtompset | I was downloading the five server versions of Ubuntu, so I could install from scratch again. |
| 15:31 | bencahill | jcamins: It does seem alot faster, now that I've increased the innodb buffer pool size, and re-started memcached. |
| 15:31 | jcamins | Ohhh, yeah, you'd be CPU bound on that computer with a default buffer pool. |
| 15:32 | bencahill | It was actually 16MB, but still... |
| 15:32 | mtompset | I discovered that 8.04.4 doesn't have idzebra-2.0 |
| 15:32 | bencahill | It's now 256MB |
| 15:32 | jcamins | mtompset: 8.04.4 what? |
| 15:32 | mtompset | ubuntu. |
| 15:32 | bencahill | That's over four years old o.0 |
| 15:33 | mtompset | It's still supported until next year. :P |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 15:33 | Ouch. | |
| 15:33 | @query CHI | |
| 15:33 | huginn` | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug |
| 15:33 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe | |
| 15:33 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected. | |
| 15:33 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency | |
| 15:33 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Are you kidding me? |
| 15:33 | bencahill | That's why we're going with 12.04 with our new proxy server rebuilds ;) |
| 15:33 | jcamins | @query chi |
| 15:33 | huginn` | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug |
| 15:33 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe | |
| 15:33 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected. | |
| 15:33 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency | |
| 15:33 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option | |
| 15:33 | bencahill | lol |
| 15:33 | jcamins | The subject is something like "Use CHI"! |
| 15:34 | How can it not be finding my bug? | |
| 15:34 | mtompset | There's a conspiracy. |
| 15:34 | bencahill | A big one. |
| 15:34 | mtompset | The zebra indexing is busted? ;) |
| 15:34 | Sorry, had to make the joke. | |
| 15:34 | cait | ok, one last errand to run... brb. |
| 15:34 | jcamins | Bug 8092. |
| 15:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should use CHI caching framework |
| 15:35 | mtompset | The Ubuntu instructions have not been expressly tried for 12.04, so I want to do that too. |
| 15:35 | jcamins | mtompset: I actually stopped using Ubuntu on my servers because I got frustrated with 12.04. |
| 15:35 | mtompset | I did find a way to get idzebra-2.0 into 8.4.4 :) |
| 15:35 | bencahill | jcamins: In what way? |
| 15:35 | * bencahill | is curious because we haven't done anything yet |
| 15:36 | jcamins | bencahill: the MySQL settings changed. |
| 15:36 | bencahill | Ah. |
| 15:36 | jcamins | Like, bigtime. |
| 15:36 | Non-compatible changes. | |
| 15:36 | mtompset | such as? |
| 15:36 | jcamins | And anonymous logins. |
| 15:37 | * jcamins | will shut down all his customers' servers before allowing anonymous logins to their MySQL databases. |
| 15:37 | mtompset | why would you want anonymous logins?! |
| 15:37 | jcamins | mtompset: I wouldn't! |
| 15:37 | mtompset: however, they're enabled in 12.04 by default, as far as I can tell. | |
| 15:38 | Bad choice. | |
| 15:38 | mtompset | You mean there is a way to do anonymous logins under 12.04? |
| 15:38 | jcamins | And that also breaks logins. |
| 15:38 | To MySQL, yeah. | |
| 15:38 | mtompset | How would you do an anonymous login? |
| 15:38 | jcamins | mtompset: I'm not entirely sure. |
| 15:38 | mtompset | I'd like to try to replicate it on my server. |
| 15:38 | jcamins | mtompset: however, when I found out that's the default in MySQL 5.5, I decided I didn't care, and switched to Debian. |
| 15:39 | * jcamins | is not a very patient person at all. |
| 15:39 | cait | that's a lie |
| 15:39 | jcamins | And the meaning of 'user'@'%' changed. |
| 15:39 | So previously-working installations could no longer log in. | |
| 15:40 | mtompset | Why would you have %'s? |
| 15:41 | Wouldn't you SSH through a fixed host, and then expressly use that address? | |
| 15:41 | jcamins | mtompset: the Koha installation creates a user@% |
| 15:42 | mtompset | Ah. okay. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | If your database is on localhost, the Perl code won't be able to log in. |
| 15:43 | Oak | jcamins++ |
| 15:43 | don't ask why | |
| 15:43 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:44 | Oak | :) |
| 15:44 | mtompset | can I ask why? :P |
| 15:44 | What is <user>++ mean? | |
| 15:44 | ^is^does^ | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | mtompset: it's karma. |
| 15:45 | @karma jcamins | |
| 15:45 | huginn` | jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 316 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 315. |
| 15:45 | jcamins | @karma jcamins_away |
| 15:45 | huginn` | jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. |
| 15:45 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 15:45 | @karma | |
| 15:45 | huginn` | jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (504), and "wizzyrea" (342). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50). You (jcamins) are ranked 4 out of 2085. |
| 15:45 | jcamins | Wow. Wizzyrea had better watch out! |
| 15:45 | Oak | hehe |
| 15:46 | mtompset | @karma mtompset |
| 15:46 | huginn` | mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 15:46 | bencahill | @karma jcamins |
| 15:46 | huginn` | bencahill: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 316 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 315. |
| 15:46 | mtompset | YAY! I'm non-zero. |
| 15:46 | bencahill | hehe |
| 15:46 | Is this a bugtracker thing? | |
| 15:46 | mtompset | Though, I suppose... |
| 15:47 | jcamins | bencahill: nah, it's a way of rewarding (kind of) people who do good things. |
| 15:47 | bencahill | @karma bencahill |
| 15:47 | huginn` | bencahill: bencahill has neutral karma. |
| 15:47 | bencahill | hehe |
| 15:47 | jcamins: Ok, cool. | |
| 15:47 | mtompset | oleonard++ |
| 15:48 | He confirmed my bug existed in the master. :) | |
| 15:48 | bencahill | @karma verizon |
| 15:48 | huginn` | bencahill: Karma for "verizon" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 15:48 | bencahill | Right, I get it. |
| 15:49 | Oak | bencahill++ |
| 15:49 | mtompset | @karma apple |
| 15:49 | huginn` | mtompset: apple has neutral karma. |
| 15:49 | bencahill | Yay! |
| 15:49 | mtompset | @karma microsoft |
| 15:49 | huginn` | mtompset: Karma for "microsoft" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. |
| 15:49 | Oak | :) |
| 15:50 | mtompset | @karma debian |
| 15:50 | huginn` | mtompset: Karma for "debian" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 15:50 | mtompset | @karma ubuntu |
| 15:50 | huginn` | mtompset: Karma for "ubuntu" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 15:50 | mtompset | @karma windows |
| 15:50 | huginn` | mtompset: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -17. |
| 15:50 | bencahill | @karma arch |
| 15:50 | huginn` | bencahill: arch has neutral karma. |
| 15:50 | bencahill | arch++ |
| 15:50 | :P | |
| 15:50 | mtompset | I better stop... this gets addicting. :) |
| 15:51 | jcamins | @karma C4::Search |
| 15:51 | huginn` | jcamins: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -18. |
| 15:51 | bencahill | lol |
| 15:51 | mtompset | @karma zebra |
| 15:51 | huginn` | mtompset: Karma for "zebra" has been increased 4 times and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -5. |
| 15:51 | bencahill | @karma C4::Languages |
| 15:52 | huginn` | bencahill: C4::Languages has neutral karma. |
| 15:52 | mtompset | @karma koha |
| 15:52 | huginn` | mtompset: Karma for "koha" has been increased 30 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 27. |
| 15:52 | mtompset | I think the -3 is because of the liblime vs. non-liblime versions of koha. |
| 15:52 | bencahill | Ah. |
| 15:52 | Oak | where can i learn from about NYTProf? |
| 15:53 | other than http://search.cpan.org/~timb/D[…]pm#Fast_Profiling | |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Oak: we have it somewhere on the wiki. |
| 15:53 | Oak | okay me search now |
| 15:53 | jcamins | I think. |
| 15:53 | Oak | :) no worries |
| 15:54 | mtompset | Okay... so everyone suggested... get git, get git. |
| 15:54 | Well, git is got, but I am rather confused. And I don't want to push nothing. | |
| 15:55 | jcamins | mtompset: git is so that you can create a patch. |
| 15:55 | If you patch the bugs you find, and provide the patch in git format, chances are very good the changes will get into the next version (provided your patches work, of course;). | |
| 15:56 | Without patches, you're relying on a lot of overworked people to have time for things that -- though useful -- aren't necessarily impacting our day-to-day. | |
| 15:56 | Oak | plus you can sign-off existing patches if you have a git installation |
| 15:57 | right jcamins ? | |
| 15:57 | jcamins | Yes, that too. |
| 15:57 | Actually, that's key. | |
| 15:57 | mtompset | git installation? |
| 15:57 | jcamins | If oleonard patched a bug you reported (or a bug that was bothering you), you'd want to test that the patch worked, and "sign off" to indicate your approval. |
| 15:57 | mtompset | The git directory looks exactly like the tar xvf of the latest tgz. |
| 15:58 | jcamins | git? |
| 15:58 | wahanui | i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 15:58 | jcamins | mtompset: yup. If you do a "dev" install from that directory, it will use the code directly out of version control. |
| 15:58 | mtompset | AH..... |
| 15:59 | that makes it easier to upgrade. | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | Right. For production, I recommend using Debian packages, but if you're going to be hacking on the code, git all the way. |
| 15:59 | mtompset | I'm using an Ubuntu Server... |
| 16:00 | more people in our organization support Ubuntu. | |
| 16:00 | jcamins | mtompset: you can use the packages with Ubuntu. |
| 16:00 | I did until I got annoyed and switched to Debian. | |
| 16:00 | (yesterday) | |
| 16:01 | (Thursday, sorry) | |
| 16:02 | bencahill | jcamins missed midnight |
| 16:02 | mtompset | Seeing as people aren't always in the same timezone, yesterday gets confusing. :) |
| 16:02 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:02 | bencahill | heh |
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| 16:03 | bencahill | How stable is using Plack in the staff portion? |
| 16:03 | jcamins | bencahill: not. |
| 16:03 | bencahill: well, for Master it isn't too bad. | |
| 16:03 | But for 3.4.8? | |
| 16:04 | I wouldn't. | |
| 16:04 | Seriously. | |
| 16:04 | Just don't. :P | |
| 16:04 | bencahill | jcamins: No, for 3.8 |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 16:04 | bencahill | I'd upgrade if I wanted to try it. |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Eh. dpavlin is running the staff client in production. |
| 16:04 | He's caught a number of errors, some major, some minor. | |
| 16:04 | You would certainly encounter bugs. | |
| 16:06 | bencahill | Okay. It's just that if we could cut page times by 3, I don't think we'd have to buy a new server, which would be awesome. ;) |
| 16:06 | jcamins | I'm not sure it would work quite like you hope. |
| 16:06 | bencahill | Right. ;) |
| 16:07 | jcamins | Plack's way faster, but it also means having the entire system stored in memory the entire time, as I understand it. |
| 16:07 | For a 2GB system, no problem at all. | |
| 16:07 | mtompset | Oh yuck! I just read the anonymous user mess you were talking about jcamins. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]adding-users.html just below the example of user creation. |
| 16:07 | bencahill | jcamins: Ah, I see. |
| 16:08 | jcamins | mtompset: exactly. I discovered that there were anonymous users and said "you know what, security choices like that are unacceptable for me." |
| 16:09 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Quick question: In the Koha Lost Items report what is the difference between the Lost code and the Long Overdue (Lost) code? |
| 16:09 | jcamins | YoungPublicLibrarian: the first is set explicitly, and the second means that the book was so long overdue that the system decided to assume it was lost. |
| 16:10 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Jcamins: So Lost is set by a librarian and Long Overdue (Lost) is set by the system? Do you know how long the book has to be overdue for that to happen? |
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| 16:11 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:12 | YoungPublicLibrarian: default is 90 days, but it's controlled by a cron job which someone in your library would have given ByWater instructions about. | |
| 16:12 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Okay, thanks for the help Jcamins! :D |
| 16:13 | mtompset | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]t-privileges.html -- why not just delete the accounts like they suggest? |
| 16:15 | jcamins | mtompset: I did that, but the entire thing cast doubt on the security decisions. |
| 16:15 | mtompset | By the way, thank you for pointing out this potential security hole and bug. |
| 16:15 | jcamins | mtompset: you're welcome. I was horrified. |
| 16:15 | There's a good hour and a half of me flipping out on #koha from Wednesday. | |
| 16:15 | mtompset | And that's not a ubuntu thing... that's a mySQL thing. |
| 16:16 | bencahill | jcamins: Is this a Ubuntu thing, or a mysql thing? |
| 16:16 | Ah right... | |
| 16:17 | jcamins | mtompset: yeah, but at that point I wasn't inclined to figure out how to install MySQL 5.1 on Ubuntu 12.04. |
| 16:17 | The entire point of Ubuntu, for me, is ease of administration. | |
| 16:18 | mtompset | Are you doing server or desktop installs of it? |
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| 16:19 | jcamins | Server. |
| 16:19 | I have one desktop with 12.04. | |
| 16:19 | mtompset | There is no ease of administration on a server... if you install a gui, it ain't no server. :P |
| 16:19 | bencahill | Ease of administration != GUI |
| 16:19 | (at least for me) | |
| 16:19 | mtompset | Yes, but sometimes it does. |
| 16:19 | jcamins | mtompset: sure there is. apt-get. |
| 16:20 | There's a lot more already packaged for Ubuntu. | |
| 16:20 | mtompset | okay, I see where you are coming from now. |
| 16:21 | I personally found a handy tool was apt-file | |
| 16:21 | bencahill | jcamins: Good point: |
| 16:21 | [bencahillcahilllapa ~]$ pacman -Qm|wc -l |
|
| 16:21 | 124 | |
| 16:21 | mtompset | when compiles failed, I'd be able to figure out which -dev package to install. |
| 16:21 | jcamins | I saw a mention of that recently, but I haven't found out what it is yet. |
| 16:21 | bencahill | (arch linux, -Qm = packages I compiled) |
| 16:21 | jcamins | Oooh, that looks useful! |
| 16:21 | mtompset++ | |
| 16:21 | mtompset | apt-get install apt-file |
| 16:22 | then apt-file update | |
| 16:22 | bencahill | ofc, I didn't do ./configure or make or make install, but I still had to wait to compile |
| 16:22 | mtompset | probably sudo'd is best. |
| 16:22 | then let's say... for example... | |
| 16:22 | you are in CPAN. | |
| 16:22 | you want to get a perl module. | |
| 16:22 | But it needs to compile with gcc. | |
| 16:22 | so it starts on it's merry way... | |
| 16:23 | then barfs because you are missing jni.h | |
| 16:23 | quit CPAN (or suspend if you want) | |
| 16:23 | apt-file search jni.h | |
| 16:23 | it lists all the packages with jni.h in them. | |
| 16:24 | bencahill | Hehe, I have that on arch in nosr :P |
| 16:24 | mtompset | then you have to use some common sense as to why it barfed to figure out which one you want. |
| 16:24 | jcamins | Wow, that's excellent. |
| 16:24 | mtompset | handy for when you are trying to install koha and you forget something. |
| 16:25 | so you try to cpan it, but it needs a .h from somewhere. | |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Heh. That could've saved me several hours on Wednesday. |
| 16:25 | Okay, maybe not hours. | |
| 16:25 | But a good half hour of frustration. | |
| 16:26 | mtompset | It's a python script... if you are familiar with python. |
| 16:27 | Oak | python the snake? |
| 16:27 | greenish | |
| 16:27 | has a tongue | |
| 16:27 | mtompset | nah... the language. |
| 16:27 | Oak | :) |
| 16:28 | mtompset | Perl isn't the only programming language out there. :P |
| 16:28 | Oak | :) hmm |
| 16:29 | mtompset | I think I can go to bed shortly... last ISO is downloaded. |
| 16:29 | Oak | where are you from mtompset ? |
| 16:29 | bencahill | Perl is a good name...there's a a video converting software for Win named S.U.P.E.R, and it's frustrating because you can't search for anything. |
| 16:29 | mtompset | Good question, Oak. |
| 16:30 | Do you mean where am I physically now? | |
| 16:30 | Oak | yup |
| 16:30 | mtompset | Or do you mean my country of birth? |
| 16:30 | Oak | where are you now? what time is there? time for bed? |
| 16:30 | bencahill | hehe |
| 16:30 | mtompset | As you can guess this Canadian is not home yet... I'm in the Philippines. |
| 16:31 | Yourself, Oak? | |
| 16:31 | Oak | Pakistan |
| 16:31 | * bencahill | U.S. |
| 16:31 | Oak | coool |
| 16:31 | bencahill | Those three are a pretty good distribution... |
| 16:31 | Oak | home is where the heart is |
| 16:31 | bencahill | yup |
| 16:32 | mtompset | I thought it is where your current bed is. ;) |
| 16:32 | bencahill | Nope. That would be house. ;) |
| 16:32 | Oak | :) |
| 16:32 | bencahill | Of course, that depends on your definition for 'heart'. ;) |
| 16:32 | mtompset | Interesting how koha crosses cultural boundaries. :) |
| 16:35 | Oak | also, came to mind... |
| 16:36 | ‘Home is the place where, when you have to go there, They have to take you in.’ --Robert Frost | |
| 16:36 | http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173525 | |
| 16:44 | mtompset | Let's go pop culture and say Home is in your Eyes (Greyson Chance) |
| 16:45 | Oak | :) |
| 16:45 | * Oak | reading this: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/742932 |
| 16:46 | * cait | puts a little bowl of perfect strawberries in the middle of #koha |
| 16:46 | * Oak | takes some to make strawberry milkshake for everyone |
| 16:47 | mtompset | Why are you reading that, Oak? Did your PDF tab just die miserably? |
| 16:47 | Oak | my cpu usage goes to 99% when using firefox |
| 16:48 | and top says plugin container is using it... | |
| 16:48 | time for dinner... bbiab | |
| 16:48 | mtompset | firefox is bloated. |
| 16:48 | Oak | *sigh* but i like firefox :( |
| 16:48 | mtompset | as do I. |
| 16:48 | Oak | don't feel like *home* in chrome |
| 16:48 | :) | |
| 16:48 | mtompset | I agree. |
| 16:48 | bencahill | Oak: Tried Opera? |
| 16:49 | Oak | i have, and do use it sometimes |
| 16:49 | bencahill | Oak: Do you use linux on the desktop (e.g. where you browse)? |
| 16:49 | mtompset | Been there. Done there. YUCK! |
| 16:49 | Oak | yup. Debian. |
| 16:49 | bencahill | Oak: Oh man. You gotta try dwb. |
| 16:49 | * Oak | googles dwb |
| 16:49 | bencahill | It's keyboard based, but not hard to use like uzbl |
| 16:50 | ...and tabs builtin, and nice settings/bookmarks pages, and favicons. :) | |
| 16:50 | Oak | oh wait... dinner is getting cold. really should go. be back soon. |
| 16:50 | mtompset | Bye. |
| 16:50 | bencahill | 'k, cya |
| 16:50 | mtompset | I'm leaving shortly too. |
| 16:50 | Oak | okay later then... |
| 16:50 | mtompset | Just waiting for apt-get upgrade and a boot to finish. |
| 16:51 | boot done... waiting for apt-get upgrade | |
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| 16:52 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Another question: Is there a place to see the table structure of Koha? Such as an entity relationships diagram? |
| 16:53 | cait | schema.koha-community.or |
| 16:53 | g | |
| 16:53 | schema? | |
| 16:53 | wahanui | schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Yikes. |
| 16:54 | mtompset | Oh, that link rocks! |
| 16:54 | * jcamins | has run into a slight hangup. |
| 16:54 | rolls up his sleeves, and moves C4::Heading to Koha. | |
| 16:54 | mtompset | how so? I'm still waiting on my apt-get upgrade |
| 16:55 | * cait | cheers jcamins on |
| 16:55 | jcamins | cait: thanks. Goodness knows I need it. |
| 16:55 | mtompset | Are you part of the C4/Koha split team? |
| 16:55 | jcamins | I also need to move parts of C4::Items and C4::Biblio, but one thing at a time. |
| 16:55 | mtompset: kind of de facto, yes. | |
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| 16:56 | mtompset | jcamins++ |
| 16:56 | Wishing you the best! :) | |
| 16:57 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 16:59 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Thanks everyone that answered my question! :D |
| 17:02 | mtompset | Under promise, over deliver. ;) |
| 17:02 | jcamins | mtompset: I try. |
| 17:03 | mtompset | When they ask for a quote *8 + 2. |
| 17:04 | How long will X take? Oh... about a day and a bit. | |
| 17:04 | jcamins | lol |
| 17:05 | mtompset | Because there's always the "blast it! It should have only been 5 minutes!" that turn out to be hours. |
| 17:11 | * jcamins | is having one of those right now. |
| 17:11 | jcamins | The good news is, I believe in *8 + 2 for estimates. |
| 17:11 | * mtompset | tries to comfort jcamins. |
| 17:12 | mtompset | sort of like this apt-get upgrade |
| 17:12 | Well, at least the virtual drive is still spinning. :) | |
| 17:12 | jcamins | Oh, I know that apt-get upgrade is going to take a gazillion hours. |
| 17:13 | mtompset | So I should pause and go to bed? |
| 17:13 | Glad it is a virtual machine. :) | |
| 17:15 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 17:15 | I'd just leave it overnight. | |
| 17:15 | mtompset | I'm headed to bed... not in this weather. |
| 17:15 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:15 | mtompset | I already have my netbook's screen getting all blinky on me. |
| 17:16 | 63C's on my CPU | |
| 17:16 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:16 | Ouch. | |
| 17:16 | mtompset | 67C's temperature internally |
| 17:17 | Thankfully, the harddrive is only 35C | |
| 17:17 | And I'm running this in power saver mode. | |
| 17:17 | No air conditioning. | |
| 17:17 | In the Philippines. | |
| 17:18 | I do have a stand fan blowing over my netbook. :) | |
| 17:18 | I go into sleep mode and then come out of it to "fix" my screen issues. | |
| 17:19 | Anyways... have a good day. | |
| 17:19 | (24 hour period) | |
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| 17:52 | mib_a69oql | hello |
| 17:52 | cait | no place for me |
| 17:53 | philippines... should scroll down first | |
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| 17:54 | mib_33ds7k | hello koha |
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| 18:38 | mbalmer | koha greetings |
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| 19:03 | bencahill | Okay, we just did some tests, and book check-ins take about 8sec, check-outs take about 5sec. That means when checking out 5 books, your waiting almost 30sec just for the computer... |
| 19:04 | ...interestingly enough, memcached and having a large innodb buffer pool size don't seem to affect those times whatsoever ^^ | |
| 19:04 | jcamins | I think there's no way around the upgrade. |
| 19:04 | bencahill | Mmkay. |
| 19:05 | That's why I was asking about CPU though...if I go by cpu benchmarks (at cpubenchmark.net), if a dual core proc is at a score of 1800, and this p4 is ~300, that's only 3 times faster per core. That's why I was wondering if I should get a fast dual-core as opposed to a quad-core. | |
| 19:06 | (3 times faster is still over 2sec for checking in books, which I wouldn't want if buying new h/w) | |
| 19:08 | jcamins | I don't think it scores entirely linearly. |
| 19:08 | *scales | |
| 19:08 | bencahill | Okay. |
| 19:09 | rangi | yeah clock speed is by far not the only measure |
| 19:09 | bencahill | No, I wasn't going by clock speed... :P |
| 19:09 | mbalmer | so next. week will be koha week... |
| 19:09 | bencahill | rangi: ...unless you are saying benchmarks are equal to clock speed? |
| 19:10 | rangi | well they benchmark a small range of ops, some which you might do |
| 19:10 | the only useful test is benchmarking the actual software running on both | |
| 19:10 | bencahill | rangi: Well sure, but that's still vastly better than just clock speed, right? |
| 19:11 | rangi | marginally, as a really huge ballpark indicator |
| 19:11 | bencahill | Okay :) |
| 19:11 | mbalmer | what is the ratio of folks running Koha on Ubuntu vs. folks running Koha on Debian? (approximately) |
| 19:11 | rangi | things like kernels taking advantage of new features in new chips etc also can have a huge bearing |
| 19:12 | so running the same kernel on both ... is kinda a false test | |
| 19:12 | if you see what I mean | |
| 19:12 | bencahill | I see... |
| 19:13 | rangi | mbalmer: no idea |
| 19:14 | all our koha servers run debian | |
| 19:15 | bencahill | So I guess koha can be CPU-bound at some point then? |
| 19:17 | rangi | on a P4 utterly no doubt |
| 19:17 | bencahill | hehe |
| 19:17 | How fast of a CPU would I need to run a 2000-biblio/item install with <1sec pageloads? | |
| 19:18 | rangi | if you are running apache2, mysql, zebra all on on processor |
| 19:18 | then they are all gonna be fighting each other for cpu | |
| 19:18 | bencahill | rangi: Ok, yeah. |
| 19:18 | rangi | and you get into a death spiral :) |
| 19:19 | bencahill | ...and I don't need more than 2GB RAM, do I? |
| 19:19 | rangi | not for that size |
| 19:19 | but can you even buy 2G now? | |
| 19:19 | :) | |
| 19:19 | mbalmer | I need to have that DBQ module re-discussed, I think there will be no progress running Koha on PostgreSQL otherwise. |
| 19:20 | bencahill | rangi: How fast are checkin/checkouts usually on your installs? |
| 19:21 | rangi | around 1 sec |
| 19:21 | counting the beep and slip etc | |
| 19:22 | bencahill | What kinds of CPUs? |
| 19:22 | rangi | they run on kvm instances for the most part |
| 19:22 | bencahill | Ah. |
| 19:23 | jcamins | bencahill: get 4GB. |
| 19:23 | slef | I curse printers and especially printer adapters that lie to the PC about what protocols they can speak. |
| 19:23 | bencahill | jcamins: Okay... |
| 19:23 | jcamins | bencahill: the cost difference is, what, $20? |
| 19:24 | Those $20 are worth it. | |
| 19:26 | cait | slef: big problems? |
| 19:27 | mbalmer | anyone needs a Sun E250? |
| 19:28 | slef | cait: I think I have it working now. If not, tomorrow I buy a new printer. |
| 19:28 | cait | at least you can buy printers on a sunday :) |
| 19:29 | but I hope the current one will start cooperatiing | |
| 19:31 | slef | cait: options usblp proto_bias=1 # seems to make it work with the driver I wrote, but CUPS still doesn't work. I don't like CUPS much though. |
| 19:31 | cait | you wrote a driver, for the printer... |
| 19:32 | * cait | sometimes really wonders how she fits in here :) |
| 19:35 | bencahill | Where do ya'll recommend buying servers? |
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| 19:36 | slef | bah printer drivers are easy |
| 19:36 | rangi | ok maybe bbl before boarding flight, but now time to go set up for the birthday party |
| 19:36 | slef | bencahill: I think we bought Dell |
| 19:37 | rangi: have a good one! | |
| 19:40 | cait | safe travels! |
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| 20:01 | bencahill | I can get one on dell.com that has an i3-2120 with 2GB RAM and 250GB HDD for $350... |
| 20:01 | (4GB ram is +$50) | |
| 20:05 | jcamins | I'd probably spend the extra $50. |
| 20:05 | bencahill | jcamins: Well, it's not my money... ;) |
| 20:06 | jcamins | bencahill: are they going to want to use the server to put other things on? |
| 20:06 | bencahill | I found a refurb'ed one on eBay though... |
| 20:06 | jcamins | (hint: yes) |
| 20:06 | Since you're buying a shiny new server, they're going to want to put the website on it too. | |
| 20:06 | bencahill | jcamins: I really doubt it...since no one else knows linux ;) |
| 20:06 | cait | my advice is to listen to jcamins :) |
| 20:06 | jcamins | And the Moodle installation. |
| 20:06 | And... | |
| 20:06 | bencahill | The website is run on my webserver...but I get your point. ;) |
| 20:07 | I found a refurb'ed one on eBay... | |
| 20:07 | i5-2310, 8GB, 1TB, $385 :-P | |
| 20:07 | jcamins | If it comes with a warranty, sounds like a good deal. |
| 20:07 | bencahill | That CPU looks like a beast, according to bench's |
| 20:07 | jcamins: 90-day. | |
| 20:07 | jcamins | So, no. |
| 20:09 | I think newegg sells refurbished systems with actual warranties. | |
| 20:09 | * bencahill | goes back to newegg... |
| 20:09 | jcamins | I'm not sure they do it for everything. |
| 20:10 | bencahill | Nothing with i5's in the $300-$400 range at newegg.. |
| 20:11 | * jcamins | has never actually looked at refurbished computers at Newegg, just knows that they sometimes offer real warranties. |
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| 20:15 | richard_france | hello |
| 20:15 | I try to install koha on ubuntu 12.04 | |
| 20:16 | latest koha | |
| 20:17 | in install_misc directory | |
| 20:17 | they are 2 files special for unbuntu | |
| 20:18 | ubuntu. packages and ubuntu_maverick.packages | |
| 20:19 | there are some difference in perl section | |
| 20:21 | some one know if they are pbroblem to use ubuntu_maverick.packages in 12.04 | |
| 20:21 | thanks | |
| 20:22 | jcamins | richard_france: I wouldn't think there would be. |
| 20:30 | richard_france | so i can install koha on an old version of ubuntu |
| 20:30 | jcamins | You could do that, too. |
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| 20:52 | bencahill | Wow, HDDs are expensive... |
| 20:53 | jcamins | bencahill: yeah, flooding in Taiwan. |
| 20:53 | bencahill | ;-/ |
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