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| 02:15 | druthb | o/ |
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| 03:44 | wajasu | i just created a linux kvm, with debian sqeeze, and the latest koha. looks great! |
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| 04:07 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 04:42 | wajasu | i'm trying to test printing labels with diacritics in author names. does anyone know of a catalog i can search, and export/save the marcxml so i can import and see if it prints in my koha 3.8.1 test system? |
| 04:51 | found one | |
| 04:52 | Oak | :) |
| 04:55 | when a user logs in to the OPAC the username password box in right column disappears... how can I add some other box in right column so that there is always a right column? | |
| 04:55 | for example we have OpacNav in preferences to do that for left column... | |
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| 08:12 | rangi | rule one? |
| 08:12 | wahanui | rule one is "Don't Be A Dick!" |
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| 08:14 | Oak | Guten morgen cait |
| 08:14 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 08:14 | rangi | hi cait |
| 08:15 | Oak | hi rangi :) |
| 08:16 | cait | hi rangi |
| 08:17 | rangi | such a shame, mirko is right, but the attacking tone of his email totally detracts from his message |
| 08:19 | * Oak | goes to read Koha's mailing list messages |
| 08:21 | cait | hm yeah |
| 08:21 | I think we have the google code to up us in the rankings? | |
| 08:21 | rangi | thats definitely what the google+ is for |
| 08:21 | cait | which is something we really need to do - had to explain the difference so many times this last week :( |
| 08:22 | rangi | *nod* ppl still get stuck downloading the faux koha too much |
| 08:23 | Oak | is there an official FB page for the real Koha? |
| 08:23 | rangi | yep |
| 08:27 | google+ too | |
| 08:33 | Oak | doing plain 'koha' search in facebook is not returning the page i want |
| 08:33 | what is the link? | |
| 08:33 | wahanui | somebody said the link was right, but the website is gone, apparently |
| 08:35 | cait | Oak: sorry, not on facebook |
| 08:35 | I mean I am not - I don't know :) | |
| 08:36 | Oak | some people on facebook have hundreds of friends, who have hundreds of friends, who have... so why not list the link to our facebook page on right column on koha-community.org? we can't deny that facebook help is search engine's page ranking? |
| 08:37 | rangi | hmm no facebook really doesnt its a walled garden |
| 08:37 | Oak | hmm |
| 08:37 | * Oak | goes to google+ |
| 08:38 | rangi | lots of things linking to a site increases its ranking, lots of things that are findable by search engines that is, most of facebook isnt |
| 08:38 | Oak | how can ordinary users like me help is spreading the word? |
| 08:39 | the mirko's email you were talking about... is it on mailing list? | |
| 08:42 | rangi | it is, on the main mailing list |
| 08:42 | Oak | cool |
| 08:42 | me go read | |
| 08:42 | rangi | Oak: linking to koha-community.org, making sure people know thats the real site |
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| 08:46 | Oak | hmm. |
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| 09:08 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 09:21 | cait | hi drojf |
| 09:22 | drojf | hey cait |
| 09:22 | recovered from your trip home? | |
| 09:23 | cait | almost - 10 hours of sleep :) |
| 09:23 | drojf | :D nice |
| 09:30 | jcamins | o/ |
| 09:32 | drojf | rangi: regarding google analytics, i'm sorry if my email sounded attacking. i got very allergic to google's omnipresence on the web over time and was honestly very surprised when i saw google analytics on the koha website. it seems i tend to start shouting pretty fast when it comes to this topic. |
| 09:33 | hi jcamins | |
| 09:33 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 09:34 | cait | hi jcamins |
| 09:34 | why are you awake? | |
| 09:35 | jcamins | I wasn't sleepy anymore. |
| 09:35 | You know what's *really* weird? | |
| 09:35 | Shari's awake too! | |
| 09:35 | cait | heh |
| 09:35 | you were probably thinking too loud | |
| 09:35 | jcamins | lol |
| 09:40 | cait | myshkin must be the cutest cat ever |
| 09:41 | * cait | was looking at your fb photos |
| 09:41 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 09:41 | Yup. | |
| 09:41 | cait | :) |
| 09:41 | what are you 2 doing? | |
| 09:45 | jcamins | I'll sign off on some patches, and she has grading to do. |
| 09:45 | cait | busy |
| 09:47 | jcamins | Shari says it couldn't have been me thinking too loudly because she didn't detect any brainwaves from my direction... I was so busy being quiet so as not to wake her she thought I was asleep until I popped up out of bed too. |
| 09:48 | cait | lol |
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| 10:29 | jcamins | I'm trying to imagine what the use for bug 8130 is, and I'm coming up blank. |
| 10:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , attach PDF files to a patron record |
| 10:30 | cait | registration forms |
| 10:30 | with signature | |
| 10:30 | jcamins | Ah! |
| 10:30 | Thanks. | |
| 10:30 | cait | and other signed forms you have to keep |
| 10:30 | I can see the use, can nothing say about the implementation | |
| 10:35 | jcamins | How's your accounting going? |
| 10:41 | cait | I will start soon, thx for asking :) |
| 10:41 | hm | |
| 10:41 | jcamins: you are not showing up in my list of names for this channel | |
| 10:42 | that is a bit irritating | |
| 10:44 | jcamins | That's odd. |
| 10:44 | cait | I found oyu - you are bold and on top of the list. |
| 10:44 | must mean you are important | |
| 10:48 | jcamins | :) |
| 11:05 | Is BZ down for everyone else? | |
| 11:07 | @later tell rangi Could you give Bugzilla a kick? | |
| 11:07 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:10 | rangi | weird |
| 11:10 | no load at all | |
| 11:11 | jcamins | I'm definitely having issues getting through to it. |
| 11:12 | rangi | its getting requests, probably someones script maxing connections again |
| 11:12 | jcamins | Not mine. |
| 11:12 | rangi | 4.193.130.86 - - [26/May/2012:11:12:17 +0000] "POST /bugzilla3/attachment.cgi HTTP/1.1" 200 126089 "-" "git-bz" |
| 11:12 | jcamins | I'm just trying to sign off on stuff. |
| 11:12 | rangi | 24.193.130.86 - - [26/May/2012:11:12:27 +0000] "POST /bugzilla3/index.cgi HTTP/1.1" 200 15267 "-" "-" |
| 11:12 | cait | me neither |
| 11:13 | rangi | its being used, not really anything i can do |
| 11:13 | no load on the server | |
| 11:13 | cait | hm back for me no |
| 11:13 | w | |
| 11:13 | really slow | |
| 11:16 | rangi | just maxing out all available apache connections |
| 11:18 | jcamins | I managed to upload the patches. |
| 11:20 | rangi | found who is doing it, something/someone is opening a ton of connections to big download files, which uses up all the available one |
| 11:20 | s | |
| 11:21 | jcamins | Hm. Wonder why. |
| 11:21 | rangi | stupid download scripts probably |
| 11:24 | any better now? | |
| 11:25 | seems all to me now ive blocked that ip | |
| 11:26 | what im gonna do is put ngnix out front to serve static and then have apache behind it for the dynamic stuff, but not gonna start that this time of night | |
| 11:26 | cait | yep lot better |
| 11:26 | jcamins | Much better. |
| 11:26 | cait | rangi++ |
| 11:26 | jcamins | rangi: why are you awake? |
| 11:27 | cait | jcamins: cut him a break - it's weekend :) |
| 11:27 | 11:30 tho... so we should send him to bed soon | |
| 12:05 | jcamins | Looks like the script has started up again. |
| 12:06 | cait | from different ip? :( |
| 12:07 | jcamins | cait: I presume it's the same script. |
| 12:07 | Filing a bug just took an unusually long time. | |
| 12:26 | @later tell magnuse This is cool: http://www.idimmu.net/2008/02/[…]ith-dh-perl-make/ | |
| 12:26 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:26 | jcamins | @later tell magnuse I just thought you might be interested. I don't expect you'll be doing much Perl module packaging. |
| 12:26 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:41 | druthb | o/ |
| 13:47 | cait | :) |
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| 14:01 | druthb | hi, Oak. |
| 14:01 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 14:01 | hello druthb :) | |
| 14:06 | hello cait :) | |
| 14:10 | wajasu | i am trying to fix/improve bug 2246 so label printing via PDF prints diacritics for common cases. |
| 14:10 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters |
| 14:11 | wajasu | i installed 3.8.1 on a virtual machine, running the latest stable debian squeeze last night. |
| 14:32 | if i sign into and pull up more -> tools -> label creator -> batches -> new batch -> add items -> select author dropdown -> type JURGEN -> selectall -> addchecked -> check a bunch in the batch -> export items -> select label template and barcode data -> export -> download PDF. | |
| 14:33 | now when i open the pdf, my jurgen entries which should have two dots over the "u" show up as two characters. | |
| 14:34 | cait | how did you enter jürgen? |
| 14:34 | did you copy it from somewhere? | |
| 14:34 | could you try copying my jürgen from here and trying that? | |
| 14:35 | wajasu | i converted the database 3 years ago using a custom program, using staged marc import. |
| 14:37 | i went to someone elses catalog and search for a record with jurgen, and saved the record as utf8 standard, then imported it through staged import. I hve the same issue. I use marc21 for my flavor. | |
| 14:39 | i have the problem for all diacritics printing labels. like i said, i used the latest koha. | |
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| 14:39 | wajasu | i just want to know if it works for other people |
| 14:40 | i applied my fix to label-create-pdf.pl and it fixes the problem, but i wonder if the data in my database is normalized wrong. | |
| 14:41 | everything looks fine in firefox/web. | |
| 14:41 | cait | wajasu: ü can be done in 2 different ways in unicode |
| 14:41 | as 2 characters or as one, different normalization forms | |
| 14:41 | that's why I was asking | |
| 14:45 | wajasu | i did select biblionumber,author,HEX(author),title from biblio where author like '%rgen%'; in mysql to see how the data is encoded. i see C3BC, in many of my entries. I see C3B8 as well. |
| 14:47 | i was hoping someone who was savy enough, could do that query on their database, and tell me if they have C3BC or something else. I would then know if my database was correct, or if its been encoded twice. | |
| 14:48 | drojf1 | should the sql data not be utf8? C3BC seems latin1-ish to me |
| 14:51 | wajasu | thats what i am trying to find out. |
| 14:53 | cait | don't know about the hex codes sorry |
| 14:53 | wajasu | most of these records were probably pulled from z39.50 servers. |
| 14:53 | http://www.fileformat.info/inf[…]char/fc/index.htm | |
| 14:56 | i just need someone to do the query i mentioned above, to see if their database is encoded the same way to validate my database. then i need them to print a pdf label and see if they have a problem as well. | |
| 14:57 | if they have a problem, then if they could do a quick one line fix in label-creator-pdf.pl like i have done, to get the diacritics printing correctly. | |
| 15:00 | OR do i need to write a program to reencode my database? | |
| 15:05 | cait | sorry wajasu |
| 15:05 | I am not much help here | |
| 15:08 | wajasu | this is a tough issue i am trying to figure out. i just did a z3950 search for jurgen and imported it. i am waiting for zebra to index. and will see if the label is fine. |
| 15:09 | cait | I think you can get it in different ways from different z39.50 servers |
| 15:09 | it#s both valid utf-8 | |
| 15:09 | last time I tested the label creator with umlauts it worked - but it was sure a longer time ago | |
| 15:10 | wajasu | i just used the z3950 and did the Import link. My sql query shows C3BC. |
| 15:10 | it came from the LOC. | |
| 15:10 | jcamins | You need to change z39.50 encoding to marc 8. |
| 15:11 | wajasu | hmmm. |
| 15:11 | let me try to see how. | |
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| 15:33 | Oak | Ahoy me hearties |
| 15:34 | cait | ahoy Oak |
| 15:35 | Oak | :) |
| 15:35 | are you traveling cait? there is a cait-m.... | |
| 15:35 | cait | ah |
| 15:35 | no | |
| 15:35 | that's irc not being shut down on the phone | |
| 15:35 | Oak | :) hmm. got it. |
| 15:36 | question: | |
| 15:36 | when a user logs in to the OPAC the username password box in right column disappears... how can I add some other box in right column so that there is always a right column? | |
| 15:36 | cait | hm |
| 15:37 | not sure | |
| 15:37 | Oak | hmm. i'll dig. |
| 15:37 | cait | might be someting you can do with yui... do you want the column on all pages? |
| 15:37 | Oak | nope. |
| 15:37 | just on the main page of OPAC | |
| 15:37 | cait | I think you could use jquery |
| 15:38 | Oak | hmm. |
| 15:38 | can I just edit cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl | |
| 15:38 | and add it manually inside <div class="yui-u"> | |
| 15:38 | that opac-main.pl is responsible for the main page? | |
| 15:38 | no that won;t work | |
| 15:39 | because when a user log in and we go to the main page there is no right column... so it must be dynamic something | |
| 15:39 | cait | I am not sure I understand what you want to do |
| 15:40 | and editing the tmpl files will probably not make you so happy when you plan your next update :) | |
| 15:40 | Oak | :) hmm |
| 15:41 | there is a yellow div box on left column here under the navigation | |
| 15:41 | http://koha-library.uaar.edu.pk | |
| 15:41 | i want to add a blue div box on left column with the some text in it. | |
| 15:41 | cait | hm |
| 15:41 | it's really slow | |
| 15:41 | not on your page yet | |
| 15:41 | Oak | but when a user logs in, the login box area disappears. |
| 15:42 | oh never mind, it's down | |
| 15:42 | electricity must be out | |
| 15:42 | let me get you a screen shot | |
| 15:44 | cait, please see this: http://tinypic.com/r/dlg5du/6 | |
| 15:44 | cait | already looks very nice! |
| 15:44 | I think perhaps check the yui elements | |
| 15:45 | I think this has something to do with the yui grid system | |
| 15:45 | Oak | :) thank you! |
| 15:45 | cait | and I am not very familiar with that - oleonard would know I think |
| 15:45 | Oak | *sigh* yes. will see when the system is up again though |
| 15:45 | ah yes. i'll ask him when he comes | |
| 15:45 | cait, that yellow color on the OPAC... is it too much? | |
| 15:45 | like too Disney or something? | |
| 15:46 | or cartoon network? | |
| 15:46 | cait | heh |
| 15:46 | I don't know | |
| 15:46 | I think it's a culture thing too | |
| 15:46 | Oak | hmm. |
| 15:47 | when i showed it to the director today, he said hmm, that yellow looks a bit out of place with the blue | |
| 15:47 | cait | is there an existing color scheme for the website of the institute? |
| 15:47 | Oak | hmm... try http://uaar.edu.pk |
| 15:47 | cait | you have yellow blue and green there |
| 15:47 | perhaps try a different 3rd color or make it a ibt lighter? | |
| 15:47 | Oak | no yellow, |
| 15:47 | cait | hm |
| 15:47 | you could go for the blues | |
| 15:47 | Oak | hm. i guess. |
| 15:47 | cait | the light blue on top |
| 15:48 | the little tree at the bottom is a nice element | |
| 15:48 | Oak | yes, i plan to add the tree somewhere in footer area :) |
| 15:49 | let me try the blues and see how they look | |
| 15:52 | like this: http://tinypic.com/r/awzssh/6 | |
| 15:52 | cait | :) |
| 15:53 | Oak | looks okay i think. but then, what about the yellow boxes on left? |
| 15:53 | cait | try the same on them? |
| 15:53 | I am not good at design :( | |
| 15:53 | Oak | hm. okay. |
| 15:54 | me neither. | |
| 15:54 | cait | but Ithink working with 3 colors works most of the time |
| 15:54 | well... 3 matching colors :) | |
| 15:54 | Oak | so i need a third color |
| 15:54 | cait | I am always happy when I can steal it somewhere |
| 15:54 | Oak | yes :) |
| 15:54 | *sigh* electricity will be out here in 5 minutes :( | |
| 15:54 | i use this to get colors: http://colorschemedesigner.com/ | |
| 15:55 | you give it one color, and it tells you 2, 3 or more colors that will work with it | |
| 15:55 | cait | perhaps try to give it the blue from the homepage |
| 15:55 | and see what it comes up with? | |
| 15:55 | Oak | okay. |
| 15:56 | the blue from the OPAC's main page is this: 76ACF1 | |
| 15:56 | now you can try also :) | |
| 15:56 | if you like | |
| 15:56 | cait | thx :) |
| 15:57 | Oak | blue on university's homepage is this: C9DEF5 |
| 15:58 | on that site http://colorschemedesigner.com/ on bottom left of the big color wheel... there is written RGB: and some color code. click on it. | |
| 15:58 | to enter *your* color | |
| 15:58 | cait | I already did :) |
| 15:58 | playing wit the schemes on top now :) | |
| 15:58 | http://colorschemedesigner.com/#3B31T6fXow0w0 | |
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| 16:15 | jcamins_away | @later tell mtj I signed off on fredericd's final patch for bug 7818. It's all ready for your QA. :) |
| 16:15 | huginn` | jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:32 | wajasu | if i take a biblio and edit it. even if i cutnpaste jürgen, and print label to pdf, i always see ü as (tilde over capital A, and 1/4 fraction character). the leader has "a" in leader postion 9. |
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| 16:51 | wajasu | if the OS os debian squeeze, and the koha-common code is 3.8.1, and printing labels with diacritics does this, what is different in my system so that it doesn't work? mysql database is utf8 etc. |
| 16:52 | if there a test catalogue is can sign in as staff and find a record with a diacritic, and print a label to see if its just my system? | |
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| 16:59 | Oak | \o |
| 17:55 | wajasu | i tried a marc21 sandbox but when i try to print a label, no text shows above the barcode. i also tried at bywater, and my label did not show the diacritic (accent over e), but showed 2 odd characters. |
| 18:01 | cait | hm |
| 18:01 | sounds like a bug | |
| 18:01 | perhaps try opening a bug report? you could attach the problematic records and the label settings you tried | |
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| 18:20 | wajasu | i've been trying to fix this via bug 2246. i posted a fix(last fall 2011) but its not accepted or verified. i just want to prove that its broken by someone else. then to try my fix to verify. |
| 18:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters |
| 18:22 | cait | wajasu: I understand, but I don't have time right now and don't know much about the label printing module |
| 18:22 | hence the suggestion to add all testing information to a bug | |
| 18:23 | wajasu | ok. |
| 18:24 | cait | that will make it easy for people to test |
| 18:24 | wajasu | at least i found a sandbox that exhibits the behavior |
| 18:24 | cait | weekends are pretty quiet too - if you ask around in the week more people are here |
| 18:25 | wajasu | ok |
| 18:26 | if i reference my bug and testing behavior against a current sandbox (paul poulains), it might help. thanks. | |
| 18:27 | i would have thought folks would have diacritics printing in their labels by now (in PDF). but i see some export to excel, and use openoffice or another app to print them. | |
| 18:27 | cait | our libraries buy preprinted barcodes |
| 18:27 | and not sure how they print the labels - they seem to use word or something else | |
| 18:29 | wajasu | that explains the lack of concern, as folks have different workflows/workarounds. |
| 18:30 | i'll try to create a new bug, and patch for a sandbox so someone can verify easier. | |
| 18:36 | cait | :) |
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