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| 01:00 | renren joined #koha | |
| 01:06 | renren | hi guys.. |
| 01:07 | is barcode is already integrated to koha? | |
| 01:09 | Can the system automatically detect the reader once I plug it in? | |
| 01:09 | Can the system automatically detect the reader once I plug it in? barcode | |
| 03:38 | Space_Librarian | rangi: any reason why our koha should be down again? |
| 03:38 | rangi | not that i know of, ill look |
| 03:39 | Space_Librarian | that would be awesome. Thanks :) |
| 03:47 | rangi | back |
| 03:47 | ill now investigate what happened | |
| 03:47 | it ran out of RAM but now to figure out why | |
| 03:51 | Space_Librarian | sweet. thank you. |
| 03:52 | that's very interesting | |
| 03:52 | mtj | oooh, heres a groklaw write-up on the oracle vs google case - for the curious... |
| 03:53 | http://www.groklaw.net/article[…]20120510125740981 | |
| 03:53 | * mtj | waves to space and rangi |
| 04:07 | Space_Librarian | hey mtj :) |
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| 04:38 | Space_Librarian | morning cait :) |
| 04:39 | cait | hi Space_Librarian :) |
| 04:40 | Space_Librarian | aaaand.... that's me for the day. ciao all |
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| 06:26 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:28 | cait | bonjour alex_a1 |
| 06:28 | alex_a1 | bonjour cait |
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| 06:34 | marcelr | hi koha |
| 06:40 | cait | hi marcelr |
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| 06:42 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:06 | julian_m | hi |
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| 07:07 | samuel | hi everybody :-) |
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| 07:08 | akhil | how to enable email in koha 3.6 |
| 07:09 | i have installed postfix on ubuntu 10.04 | |
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| 07:18 | druthb | o/ |
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| 07:22 | akhil | how to enable email in koha 3.6 in obuntu 10.04 |
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| 07:30 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:31 | francharb | hi kf, hi #koha |
| 07:31 | connor_l_dewar | kiaora |
| 07:32 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
| 07:33 | kf | :) |
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| 07:42 | druthb | hi, magnus and francharb and kf! :D |
| 07:43 | francharb | :later tell nengard :have you seen the offline circulation tool documentation I sent on kohalists.katipo.co.nz? hope it will help! ;^) |
| 07:43 | hi druthb | |
| 07:44 | @later tell nengard :have you seen the offline circulation tool documentation I sent on kohalists.katipo.co.nz? hope it will help! ;^) |
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| 07:44 | huginn | francharb: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:44 | kf | hi druthb |
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| 09:25 | manju | Any help regarding email settings in koha 3.6 |
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| 09:31 | dgl-library | Hi #koha |
| 09:32 | manju | hi |
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| 09:44 | dgl-library | jcamins_away: your suggestions worked |
| 09:45 | I have a question about the OPAC: Several fields, including subtitles (MARC 245b) are not showing up. Where can I adjust that? | |
| 09:46 | kf | dgl-library: that's a bit tricky |
| 09:46 | dgl-library: have you activated the xslt system preferences? | |
| 09:46 | dgl-library | kf: never heard of that, so I don't think so. |
| 09:46 | kf | dgl-library: they show a bit more information than the normal views and are more actively mainteined |
| 09:46 | search your system preferences for xslt | |
| 09:46 | dgl-library | kf: ah, on another tab, right? |
| 09:46 | kf | no, it's a different view for the default/normal view in opac |
| 09:47 | will replace the normal view | |
| 09:47 | dgl-library | so the normal view cannot be customized? |
| 09:47 | kf | hm, let me explain |
| 09:47 | in opac you can see different views | |
| 09:47 | the normal view (default view) can not be standardized like the marc view can | |
| 09:47 | but there are 2 existing variations | |
| 09:48 | the "normal" and the "XSLT" version of the normal view | |
| 09:48 | and it might be that switching the pref to XSLT helps your problems | |
| 09:48 | also the xslt can be customized easier - but not from within Koha | |
| 09:48 | you would have to change the file | |
| 09:48 | but it's a lot easier to change than the existing normal normal view | |
| 09:48 | if that makes sense | |
| 09:49 | dgl-library | Thank you! I just activated XSLT and the subtitles are showing up |
| 09:49 | kf | :) |
| 09:49 | I think the xslt views are in general nicer | |
| 09:49 | dgl-library | kf++ |
| 09:49 | Where would I find more information on customizing the xslt? | |
| 09:50 | kf | hm I think we have no special documentation about htat |
| 09:50 | there are lots of sources about xslt on the internet | |
| 09:50 | it's a way to create a html display from xml | |
| 09:50 | so you can display every field from the marc xml using it | |
| 09:51 | if you look at the file you will perhaps get an idea | |
| 09:51 | it's in the template directories in a special directory xslt - there are lots of files, look for Detail and Result | |
| 09:51 | dgl-library | Thanks, I will do that. Just from what I've seen in the past 2 minutes, the problem may be solved :) |
| 09:51 | kf | the xslt files get translated - so it's better to avoid changing them |
| 09:51 | so you don't get problems with the automatic translations | |
| 09:52 | well in general it's better to avoid customizing files | |
| 09:55 | dgl-library | I see. Very good to know. |
| 09:56 | As far as I can tell, xslt view *does* try to pull in all the marc data, or at least all the helpful data, like subtitle, TOC | |
| 09:56 | those were all missing in the standard view | |
| 09:56 | kf | dgl-library: yes, more people working on the xslt - I think hte normal view has not been changed for a long time |
| 09:57 | dgl-library | yes, seems odd there'd be so much information we can input, so many options, but such limited display options — and difficulty in customizing the display options |
| 09:58 | kf | dgl-library: it's getting easier to customize those with newer versions |
| 09:58 | in 3.8 for example you can maintain those files locally | |
| 09:58 | and configure a path to them in a system preference | |
| 09:58 | dgl-library | I see… a good reason to upgrade from 3.6… |
| 09:58 | kf | I would wait a bit longer perhaps |
| 09:58 | for 3.8.1 - and it would still require bit programming, but you get more options | |
| 09:58 | dgl-library | I won't make any major customizations, though, before upgrading. |
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| 11:03 | slef | kf: I wasn't but am now. (09:34:57 <cait> slef: around?) |
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| 11:06 | kf | slef: hi :) wanted to talk to you about the schedule |
| 11:07 | slef: wrote you a mail after I saw you were not around | |
| 11:08 | slef | kf: seen the mail. Not worked on kohacon since. Thanks for the help. The spaces are for the GDC talks. I've updates on them now. Could I mail them to you if I don't get to them by mid-afternoon? |
| 11:08 | wahanui | I haven't seen 'the', slef |
| 11:08 | slef | wahanui: who asked you? |
| 11:08 | wahanui | slef: wish i knew |
| 11:08 | slef | wahanui: die! |
| 11:08 | wahanui | errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit! |
| 11:08 | kf | slef: I iwill not be around much later this afternoon and in the evening |
| 11:08 | slef: less worried about the free spots, more worried about the one that is too full | |
| 11:09 | slef | kf: I must reread them email! |
| 11:09 | the | |
| 11:09 | http://www.uk.coop/event/kohac[…]system-conference | |
| 11:13 | mle_ | \nick_mle_afk |
| 11:13 | ahem | |
| 11:13 | ww ; ) | |
| 11:13 | druthb | wahanui: kf? |
| 11:13 | wahanui | i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
| 11:13 | druthb | hee |
| 11:14 | wahanui: cait? | |
| 11:14 | wahanui | That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) |
| 11:14 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 11:14 | wahanui | well, druthb is ready to be home. |
| 11:15 | druthb | why, yes. yes, I am. This has been just *buckets* of fun, but I'm ready. |
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| 11:28 | kf | slef: ther is sone block on the second day that is too full |
| 11:28 | slef: sorry, was called away - now back | |
| 11:30 | mle_: wb :) | |
| 11:30 | mle_ | : ) |
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| 11:41 | kf | @later tell slef: mail me what you think or what I can help with - I didn't want to change the program without talking to you first |
| 11:41 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:44 | slef | I'm standing here. |
| 11:44 | or at least I think I am | |
| 11:45 | and my nick isn't slef: | |
| 11:45 | ;) | |
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| 12:01 | kf | slef: sorry |
| 12:01 | bit busy here today | |
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| 12:23 | druthb | Hi, oleonard! :D |
| 12:23 | oleonard | Hi druthb |
| 12:24 | How much more time on your trip? | |
| 12:25 | druthb | I leave here Friday morning, early-ish. (10:30 AM here, 2:30 AM Central US)...and get back to KC about 11:30 PM Centraal. |
| 12:25 | long day in the air. | |
| 12:25 | magnuse | bring a book! |
| 12:26 | druthb | heh. As fast as I can go through my trashy romance novels, magnuse, I'd need *seven* of them just for the flight from Amman to Chicago. Three more for the layover in Chicago, plus one for the flight to KC. |
| 12:26 | I did bring a few...but not that many. | |
| 12:26 | kf | I tried git bisect for the first time today... but the result was a bit frustratng |
| 12:26 | magnuse | bring a bag of books, then ;-) |
| 12:26 | kf | seems the cart mail was broken since the switch to TT |
| 12:27 | magnuse | ouch! |
| 12:27 | does that mean noone uses it or what? | |
| 12:27 | kf | our libraries do |
| 12:28 | not so long since we upgraded from 3.2.2 | |
| 12:28 | magnuse | ah |
| 12:28 | kf | magnuse: if you want to fix manually - you just have to add some line breaks to the translated file |
| 12:29 | magnuse: that's what I am going to do now | |
| 12:30 | druthb | kf++ |
| 12:30 | @karma | |
| 12:30 | huginn | druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (563), "oleonard" (493), and "wizzyrea" (335). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-82), and "-" (-47). You (druthb) are ranked 14 out of 2057. |
| 12:30 | kf | druthb: it's only a bad solution to make it work for now :( |
| 12:30 | oleonard | <!-- |
| 12:30 | kf | but hopefully we can patch it |
| 12:30 | druthb | beats no solution, kf. |
| 12:30 | oleonard | Take that, <! ! |
| 12:31 | druthb | @most increased |
| 12:31 | huginn | druthb: "rangi": 568, "oleonard": 498, "wizzyrea": 335, "gmcharlt": 309, "chris_n": 295, "cait": 285, "jcamins": 278, "sekjal": 234, "nengard": 214, "paul_p": 211, "kf": 185, "magnuse": 162, "slef": 148, "druthb": 145, "eythian": 95, "hdl": 67, "fredericd": 65, "biblibre": 64, "hdl_laptop": 60, "jwagner": 54, "marcelr": 52, "kmkale": 46, "thd": 45, "atz": 44, and "pianohacker": 39 |
| 12:31 | kf | oleonard: it used to work with HTP... |
| 12:31 | so | |
| 12:31 | <!++ | |
| 12:31 | nengard | spent yesterday booking stuff for kohacon!! |
| 12:31 | kf | I am already all booked (since before hackfest in marseille) :) |
| 12:31 | nengard | francharb++ (for offline circ docs) |
| 12:32 | francharb | :) |
| 12:32 | nengard | kf i've had the flight a while, but was waiting on the hotels and transportation cause we're coming the week before to visit with friends |
| 12:32 | kf | francharb: can't wait to try it out :) |
| 12:32 | nengard | so we needed to talk to them |
| 12:32 | druthb | francharb++ #for that, plus just being all-around awesome. |
| 12:32 | francharb | thanks! :) |
| 12:32 | kf | nengard: ah nice, so bengard will be with you? :) |
| 12:32 | nengard | YES!! :) |
| 12:32 | he's excited to see you all again | |
| 12:33 | kf | :) |
| 12:33 | nengard | I am too of course :) |
| 12:33 | kf | heh |
| 12:33 | yes, looking very much forward to kohacon | |
| 12:33 | paul_p | really 2 engards (for the price of 1) ? |
| 12:33 | kf | lol, probably not for the price of 1 |
| 12:33 | paul_p | happy to see him again ! |
| 12:33 | kf | me too |
| 12:34 | paul_p | the 5 ppl from BibLibre coming from Marseille have a lot of problem booking the flights... (credit card rejected, then price no more available,...) We have the appartment booked, the one coming from strasbourg has his flight, the one coming from Lyon too, but the 5 from Marseille still no :(((( |
| 12:35 | (yes, we will be 7 and not 6 as announced) | |
| 12:35 | kf | nice |
| 12:35 | who will it be paul_p? | |
| 12:35 | I know francharb is the one from lyon? :) | |
| 12:36 | paul_p | kf francharb, alex_a1, matts, adrien, me, clrh and sophie_m |
| 12:36 | kf | nice :) |
| 12:36 | matts | :) |
| 12:36 | You still don't have your tickets, paul_p ? | |
| 12:37 | paul_p | matts yep, (hélas), flight still not booked... |
| 12:37 | matts | :\ |
| 12:37 | kf | I am sure it will work out :) |
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| 13:20 | raja | hello all, Email settings in koha 3.6 |
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| 13:22 | paul_p | OK, flights booked, finally !!! there will be 7 of us at KohaCon, there's no doubt about that now. |
| 13:23 | Barrc | Is there any hotel most people have settled on for KohaCon or are people all over the place!? |
| 13:24 | paul_p | Barrc BibLibre will stay at StayEdinburgh - West End Apartments |
| 13:24 | 11 Brandfield Street Haymarket | |
| 13:24 | Edinburgh | |
| 13:24 | wahanui | Edinburgh is for sure now |
| 13:25 | Barrc | paul_p: Not a hotel then? It makes more sense if there will be a few of you staying for a few days! I am just looking at hotels so was wondering if anyone had any decent ones booked! |
| 13:25 | paul_p | Barrc right. But we are 7 so have booked 3 appartments |
| 13:25 | (and we stay for the whole week) | |
| 13:25 | Barrc | That could be a lot of fun too! |
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| 13:49 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5345' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5acd4e1ec2ebb45c8> / Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [6] <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9f4f8849ef16e8436> / Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [10] <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/? |
| 13:50 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #726 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:09 | chris_n | paul_p++ # for pushing like mad :-) |
| 14:21 | jcamins | paul_p_: I looked at your patches for bug 7248. |
| 14:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7248 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , Caching for services |
| 14:21 | paul_p_ | good morning jcamins |
| 14:21 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 14:22 | paul_p_ | ( morning is either finished or still not here until 10 hours here :D ) |
| 14:22 | jcamins | I don't think that's such a good approach. |
| 14:23 | Better to pass in the cache type. | |
| 14:23 | paul_p_ | jcamins /me reading |
| 14:23 | why ? | |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Because that way you can have different types of caches coexisting. |
| 14:23 | The idea behind Koha::Cache is to have it entirely cache-agnostic. | |
| 14:24 | Your patch added memcached directly into Koha::Cache. | |
| 14:24 | If we keep all the memcached in Koha::Cache::Memcached, that seems more elegant. | |
| 14:24 | Also, I had a suggestion for a better way to replace the memoize calls. | |
| 14:25 | Rather than including caching code in each routine for memoizing, we could have a Koha::Cache::Memoize that exports memoize_koha, and just replace memoize_memcached with memoize_koha. | |
| 14:25 | Much more elegant. | |
| 14:25 | paul_p_ | jcamins i'm not sure I understand you well. For me, in .pl source, there must be no reference to the caching system. Otherwise, if we change it, that will require dozens of scripts to be updated ! |
| 14:25 | I had another idea = set the cache system in koha-httpd.conf | |
| 14:26 | but I finally thought it was not necessary. | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | paul_p_: we're not using caching in almost every script. |
| 14:26 | paul_p_ | with this system, if we want to switch to SUPERCACHE new system, we just have to update Koha::Cache.pm |
| 14:26 | jcamins not yet, but we should use it much more and I wanted to make it easy ! | |
| 14:27 | s/wanted/want/ | |
| 14:27 | jcamins | paul_p_: make it default to SUPERCACHE, don't eliminate the option to instead use memcached. |
| 14:28 | I agree that by default everything should be memcached. But with the change, there's no way to say "I want to use a different cache system." | |
| 14:28 | paul_p_ | jcamins ??? yes, there is, just tweak a few lines in Cache.pm ! |
| 14:28 | * remove MEMCACHED_SERVERS from your configuration | |
| 14:29 | * add SUPERCACHE parameters in your koha-httpd.conf | |
| 14:29 | jcamins | paul_p_: if you want to change *EVERYTHING*, sure. |
| 14:29 | paul_p_ | * add a few lines to Cache.pm |
| 14:29 | jcamins | But what if I don't want to? |
| 14:29 | paul_p_ | jcamins would you be happy to have an option in ->new() to force a given system ? |
| 14:29 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 14:29 | paul_p_ | sounds OK to me |
| 14:29 | jcamins | That's the way it was before. |
| 14:29 | paul_p_ | jcamins = nope, it was mandatory |
| 14:30 | (unless I misunderstood something) | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | paul_p_: no, it wasn't mandatory. |
| 14:30 | hdl1 | jcamins: paul_p_ : Cache::CHI could be interesting |
| 14:30 | jcamins | paul_p_: it defaulted to memcached. |
| 14:31 | paul_p_: the idea is that this way, if you want to use a different cache for a particular type of data, you can. | |
| 14:33 | paul_p_ | jcamins what's the next step you plan to do for this bug ? |
| 14:33 | jcamins | paul_p_: I would like to write memoize_koha. |
| 14:33 | However, I don't want to do anything until it's pushed. | |
| 14:33 | paul_p_ | jcamins and what do you expect from me and my patch ? |
| 14:35 | jcamins I also think that the "$namespace:" included when you set_in_cache is useless, because we already select the namespace when opening the memcache connexion | |
| 14:36 | I also think that the C4::Context->ismemcached must be removed, for consistency | |
| 14:36 | jcamins | We agree about that last bit. |
| 14:37 | paul_p_ | jcamins i'll try to submit a follow-up to my patches, that let you force a given caching system |
| 14:37 | jcamins | However, that's what we were already using, and I didn't want to go too far out on a limb when revising rangi's patch. |
| 14:38 | paul_p_: I think a better option for your follow-up would be to move the environment variable code that you added into Koha::Cache::Memcached. | |
| 14:38 | Then everything will just work automagically. | |
| 14:39 | paul_p_ | jcamins will also investigate this option |
| 14:39 | jcamins | If I understand correctly what you are trying to do, that will make everything as generic as possible. |
| 14:39 | And my proposed follow-up with memoize_koha would eliminate the need for custom caching code. | |
| 14:40 | (make it as easy as possible to cache everything;) | |
| 14:40 | paul_p_ | not sure I understand correctly "move the environment variable code that you added" |
| 14:40 | which env var are you talking about ? | |
| 14:40 | jcamins | In your first follow-up. |
| 14:40 | You check for MEMCACHED_SERVERS directly in Koha::Cache. | |
| 14:41 | You should check that in Koha::Cache::Memcached. | |
| 14:41 | paul_p_ | jcamins yep, to see which caching system is configured. |
| 14:41 | jcamins | paul_p_: better to use a syspref to choose that. |
| 14:41 | Or set it in koha-conf.xml. | |
| 14:41 | paul_p_ | jcamins = not a syspref (because they couldn't be cached), but another ENV{} |
| 14:41 | OK for that | |
| 14:41 | jcamins | paul_p_: okay, that's fine too. |
| 14:42 | But accessing the Memcached configuration should be done only in the Koha::Cache::Memcached class, I think. | |
| 14:42 | paul_p_ | and removing 'cache_type' => 'memcached', |
| 14:42 | 'cache_servers' => $ENV{'MEMCACHED_SERVERS'} | |
| 14:42 | from the report code, because there's no reason to force memcache | |
| 14:42 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 14:42 | paul_p_ | s/report code/report file/ |
| 14:43 | OK, we mostly agree then ! perfect ! | |
| 14:43 | jcamins | I was copying from your comment on the bug about how to change the caching. |
| 14:43 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #726: UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/726/ |
| 14:43 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 8072: [SIGNED-OFF] Changes in capitalisation had broken guided reports | |
| 14:43 | * kyle: Bug 8035 - bibs with comments show an error in opac | |
| 14:43 | * magnus: Bug 7924 - Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove | |
| 14:43 | * magnus: Bug 7984 [SIGNED-OFF] - Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission | |
| 14:43 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 8045: fixes "date due" when checking in | |
| 14:43 | * jcamins: Bug 8022: Permissions test doesn't check all languages | |
| 14:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8072 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , reports wizard dies |
| 14:43 | jenkins_koha | * magnus: Bug 7982: [SIGNED-OFF] Typo in moremember-receipt.tt |
| 14:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8035 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , bibs with comments show an error in opac |
| 14:43 | jenkins_koha | * srdjan: bug_7647: Table sorter on issue history |
| 14:43 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [9] | |
| 14:43 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [15] | |
| 14:43 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [13] | |
| 14:43 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [10] | |
| 14:43 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [6] | |
| 14:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7924 critical, P1 - high, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove |
| 14:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7984 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission | |
| 14:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8045 normal, P2, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Problems on Due date when checking in | |
| 14:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8022 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Permissions test doesn't check all languages | |
| 14:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7982 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Typo in moremember-receipt.tt | |
| 14:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , DataTables in Koha | |
| 14:43 | paul_p_ | do we agree that $usecache is/would be : my $usecache= $ENV{CACHING_SYSTEM}?1:0 ? |
| 14:44 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 14:44 | paul_p_ | perfect ! more code to remove !!! /me like that ! |
| 14:44 | * chris_n | loves it when jenkins_koha and huginn interrupt an exciting conversation |
| 14:44 | * paul_p_ | will perhaps add a trivial method to Koha/Cache for more readability |
| 14:45 | paul_p_ | Koha::Cache::is_cache_active(); ? |
| 14:45 | jcamins | Sounds good to me. |
| 14:46 | * chris_n | beats the QA drum for bug 7977 |
| 14:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Signed Off , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage |
| 14:46 | jcamins | chris_n: I think joubu said it passed QA, didn't he? |
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| 14:46 | chris_n | his comment was unclear to me |
| 14:47 | but its not marked passed qa yet | |
| 14:47 | hi sekjal | |
| 14:47 | sekjal | hi |
| 14:47 | jcamins | sekjal! We were just thinking about you. |
| 14:47 | * chris_n | wonders if sekjal heard a qa discussion was going on :-) |
| 14:47 | jcamins | :D |
| 14:48 | sekjal | was writing on bug 7722 's report |
| 14:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7722 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Insidious problem with searching |
| 14:48 | chris_n | that's an understatement ^^ |
| 14:48 | searching == insidious | |
| 14:49 | jcamins | I don't see how bug 7722 could *not* be deterministic, if that patch fixes it. |
| 14:49 | TransformKohaToMarc is used by the cataloguing editor, isn't it? | |
| 14:50 | sekjal | it's used by GetMarcItem (in a call-chain) |
| 14:50 | and in addorder.pl | |
| 14:50 | chris_n | paul_p_: do you read joubu's comments on 7977 as passing QA or needing another pair of eyeballs on it? |
| 14:50 | jcamins | And is GetMarcItem used when doing a search? |
| 14:51 | No. | |
| 14:51 | Okay, still baffled. | |
| 14:51 | sekjal | it's used in C4/Serials, C4/Biblio, and catalouging/additem.pl |
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| 14:51 | paul_p_ | chris_n I've some doubts, like you. |
| 14:52 | jcamins = isn't CHI (http://search.cpan.org/~jswart[…]-0.52/lib/CHI.pm) also doing what we try to achieve with Koha::Cache ? Shouldn't we investigate this option ? | |
| 14:52 | FEATURES ^ | |
| 14:52 | Easy to create new drivers | |
| 14:52 | Uniform support for namespaces | |
| 14:52 | Automatic serialization of keys and values | |
| 14:52 | Multilevel caches | |
| 14:52 | Probabilistic expiration and busy locks, to reduce cache miss stampedes | |
| 14:52 | Optional logging and statistics collection of cache activity | |
| 14:53 | jcamins | And just make Koha::Cache a wrapper around it? |
| 14:53 | Yes, that looks very intriguing. | |
| 14:54 | paul_p_ | jcamins yep |
| 14:54 | jcamins | That'd greatly simplify things. We'd still need Koha::Cache and Koha::Cache::Memcached (etc.) to configure the caching, but it'd give us a lot more options, probably) |
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| 15:00 | jcamins | paul_p_: CHI also takes care of caching the cache handle. |
| 15:00 | paul_p_ | jcamins yep. And also L1 cache in memory ! |
| 15:01 | jcamins the more I read CHI documentation, the more I like it ! | |
| 15:01 | * jcamins | too. |
| 15:02 | * paul_p_ | is on bug 7248 now |
| 15:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7248 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , Caching for services |
| 15:02 | jcamins | And it makes shared memory (mmap) caches easy, which is a nice bonus. |
| 15:08 | paul_p_ | jcamins Memcached.pm says : my @servers = split /,/, $params->{'cache_servers'}; |
| 15:08 | => if you don't pass a param, it won't fill automagically with $ENV{MEMCACHED_SERVERS}, so the values are mandatory | |
| 15:08 | my @servers = split /,/, $params->{'cache_servers'}?$params->{'cache_servers'}:$ENV{MEMCACHED_SERVERS}; | |
| 15:08 | is better I think (still untested) | |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Yes, that's what I was proposing. |
| 15:09 | When I rebased the original patch, I tried to *exactly* copy the instructions about how to use the new environment variables. | |
| 15:09 | (as much as possible given that one uses memoize differently than one uses a class) | |
| 15:10 | I thought it was better to wait until a follow-up to add that, because I wasn't sure why the instructions were to access the environment variable in each .pl. | |
| 15:11 | But it turns out that actually I could have interpreted the instructions more liberally. ;) | |
| 15:15 | Ooh, I found a bug in LibreOffice. | |
| 15:19 | maximep | it would impress me more that you would find something that didn't have a bug in LO :P |
| 15:20 | jcamins | maximep: I think that might be asking just a little bit too much. |
| 15:20 | Sicne you're here, I asked for feedback on a bug or two of yours. | |
| 15:20 | *Since | |
| 15:20 | I don't remember which ones. | |
| 15:20 | maximep | yeah, I have 6-8 bugs in my inbox |
| 15:21 | sadly I can't spend time at work on any of them before this summer | |
| 15:21 | jcamins | maximep: you don't need to do any coding. |
| 15:21 | Just tell us what it is the problem was. | |
| 15:21 | ;) | |
| 15:21 | maximep | hmmm I don't remember that one |
| 15:21 | I remember a patch that didnt apply | |
| 15:22 | jcamins | There were a couple of those, too, but there was one that I couldn't figure out what it was for. |
| 15:22 | maximep | oh, 6932 |
| 15:22 | oh, bug 6932 | |
| 15:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6932 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Javascript errors in irregular pattern check update |
| 15:22 | jcamins | That's the one. |
| 15:22 | maximep | will try to find time |
| 15:22 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:31 | paul_p_ | jcamins new patch attached, the 3 previous ones made obsolete. I'll let you take care of the koha_memoize to cache subs (so my patch dealing with getAllLanguages... is now discarded) |
| 15:32 | if you agree, i'll drop all C4::Context->ismemcached references in a follow-up | |
| 15:32 | s/if you agree/if you sign-off the patch/ | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | That looks good to me. |
| 15:33 | Except you have an unconditional warn. | |
| 15:34 | paul_p_ | jcamins hehe... i was uploading a fixed version |
| 15:35 | jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=9568 | |
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| 15:38 | * paul_p_ | impatient to see how jcamins plans to introduce koha_memoize... |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 15:44 | The cache doesn't seem to be getting called. | |
| 15:46 | paul_p_ | jcamins = do you have added CACHING_SYSTEM into your 2 virtual hosts & reloaded apache ? |
| 15:46 | jcamins | paul_p_: nope. |
| 15:46 | That was the problem, I think. | |
| 15:46 | paul_p_ | jcamins that's it ;-) |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Testing now. |
| 15:46 | paul_p_ | jcamins = just uploaded a new version that add a fix to the opening of the memcache handler |
| 15:47 | this patch adds: | |
| 15:47 | debug => 0, | |
| 15:47 | compress_threshold => 10_000, | |
| 15:47 | expire_time => 600, | |
| 15:47 | namespace => $ENV{MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE} || $params->{'namespace'} || 'koha', | |
| 15:47 | instead of just namespace => $params->{'namespace'} || 'koha', | |
| 15:47 | + a new log when the ->new is called | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | Wait. I see the problem. |
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| 15:48 | paul_p_ | I'd prefered that jcamins see the solution, and not the problem :D :D |
| 15:49 | jcamins | paul_p_: the problem was that I was looking at the wrong site. |
| 15:49 | paul_p_ | jcamins so you saw the solution ;-) |
| 15:53 | jcamins | My oh my. |
| 15:53 | DEBUG sure does result in a lot of output. | |
| 15:54 | Well, it seems to be working. | |
| 15:54 | I can't test very thoroughly right now, but I can confirm that it unbreaks reports, and seems to be caching. | |
| 15:54 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 15:57 | jcamins | paul_p_: I changed your commit message a little bit. |
| 15:57 | It was confusing. | |
| 15:57 | I clarified it was the reports *web services* modules. | |
| 15:57 | paul_p_ | np |
| 15:58 | jcamins = so we can switch to "signed-off" or you want to add your koha_memoize before ? | |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Switch to signed off. |
| 15:58 | I haven't started work on memoize_koha yet. | |
| 15:59 | paul_p_ | ok, i'll sent a mail to QA team to request a QA on the follow-up |
| 16:01 | jcamins | Thanks. |
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| 16:06 | jcamins | sekjal is around. Maybe he'd like to look at the caching. :) |
| 16:07 | sekjal | lunch right now; will look at email to catch up on the issue while I eat |
| 16:08 | jcamins | The key thing, I discovered, is to make sure you're A) looking at the correct server and B) enabling caching. |
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| 16:20 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #727 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #725 18 hr ago) |
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| 16:24 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5549 followup: fix suspension in days further <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]99150bfd4ebf13336> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8022' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cafd51d801e106ba1> / bug 8022 follow-up, missing permission in spanish <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]koha.git;a=commit |
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| 16:44 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8019 - Preserve language choice between Browser sessions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]97d2a98e8773b2226> / Bug 7968 : Create meta-packages to simplify installation of koha <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]294229db2df569844> / Bug 7213 - simple /svc/ HTTP example <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha. |
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| 16:54 | jcamins | Goodness. A lot of connection problems today. |
| 17:13 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 17:13 | Project Koha_master build #727: FIXED in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/727/ | |
| 17:13 | * wizzyrea: Bug 7998 - CSS fixes for new interface | |
| 17:13 | * jcamins: Bug 7998: Don't make the news all bold | |
| 17:13 | * julian.maurice: Bug 7178: Follow-up Improve order item creation | |
| 17:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7998 critical, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles |
| 17:13 | jenkins_koha | * m.de.rooy: Followup 7178: Remove warning on uninitialized value in sprintf for neworderempty |
| 17:13 | * paul.poulain: bug 8022 follow-up, missing permission in spanish | |
| 17:13 | * koha.sekjal: Bug 5549 followup: fix suspension in days further | |
| 17:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Improve order item creation |
| 17:13 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8022 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Permissions test doesn't check all languages | |
| 17:13 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Hourly Loans | |
| 17:13 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #728 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 17:20 | jcamins | Yippee! |
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| 17:43 | druthb | o/ |
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| 18:01 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 18:02 | druthb | السلام عليكم, Oak. |
| 18:02 | :) | |
| 18:03 | libsysguy | is anybody else seeing a problem with saving list from the search results? |
| 18:04 | Oak | وعليكم السلام druthb :) |
| 18:05 | jcamins | libsysguy: I haven't tried. |
| 18:05 | libsysguy | it works if i click the save to list button and i get the dialog but the internal form seems to fail for me |
| 18:05 | i don't see any js errors | |
| 18:05 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #728: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/728/ |
| 18:06 | * dpavlin: Bug 7213 - simple /svc/ HTTP example | |
| 18:06 | * root: Bug 7968 : Create meta-packages to simplify installation of koha | |
| 18:06 | * veron: Bug 8019 - Preserve language choice between Browser sessions | |
| 18:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client |
| 18:06 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7968 normal, P5 - low, ---, sofiane.elharsal, Pushed to Master , create meta-packages to simplify installation of koha | |
| 18:06 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8019 normal, P2, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Preserve language choice between Browser sessions | |
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| 18:40 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Good morning everyone! |
| 18:41 | cait | hi YoungPublicLibrarian - and evening :) |
| 18:42 | YoungPublicLibrarian | LOL, well Cait, its morning here! :p |
| 18:42 | druthb | hi, YoungPublicLibrarian! :) |
| 18:42 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hello Druthb! |
| 18:42 | cait | YoungPublicLibrarian: not fair :) |
| 18:43 | YoungPublicLibrarian | :) |
| 18:44 | druthb | 10 PM for me... |
| 18:45 | jcamins | 14:45 for me. |
| 18:45 | * druthb | is debating early-to-bed, for the first time in a couple of weeks |
| 18:45 | cait | 8:45 pm for me |
| 18:46 | sekjal: around? :) | |
| 18:47 | YoungPublicLibrarian | 11:45 AM for me :) |
| 18:47 | sekjal | cait: more or less, yes |
| 18:47 | what's up? | |
| 18:48 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 18:48 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.6°C (11:48 AM PDT on May 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:48 | Oak | oh good cait is back. |
| 18:48 | cait | :) |
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| 18:49 | Oak | 23:49 for me |
| 18:49 | :) | |
| 18:49 | cait | sekjal: 7248.... is waiting for qa and I hoped you could put it in the upper region of your to do list |
| 18:50 | Oak: go to bed! | |
| 18:50 | Oak | *sigh* |
| 18:50 | hokay. | |
| 18:51 | cait | wow |
| 18:51 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:51 | cait | that never works on me |
| 18:51 | druthb | me either |
| 18:52 | cait | lol |
| 18:52 | sekjal: it belongs to 7249 and both have waited a long time to get finally in | |
| 18:53 | jcamins | sekjal: to clarify, 7249 depends on 7248, and without 7248, creating new reports is broken. |
| 18:53 | (now that 7249 has been pushed) | |
| 18:53 | (it's a little confusing) | |
| 18:54 | sekjal | cait: I've got 7248 open |
| 18:55 | it's a little complex, but I *think* it's safe enough to implement | |
| 18:55 | cait | I can't really say I understand it totally, but I know we need a fix for the broken reports |
| 18:55 | :) | |
| 19:03 | libsysguy | is there a wrapper template for koha? |
| 19:03 | if so...where is it lol | |
| 19:03 | jcamins | libsysguy: what do you mean? |
| 19:04 | libsysguy | like from <html ...> to <body> -> </body></html> |
| 19:04 | cait | libsysguy: incluses |
| 19:05 | I would start looking at some existing templates :) | |
| 19:05 | libsysguy | oh man there are so many inc |
| 19:05 | oleonard | doc-head-open, doc-head-close, footer |
| 19:05 | libsysguy | ahh ok |
| 19:05 | oleonard++ | |
| 19:05 | oleonard | Wait, footer? intranet-bottom? |
| 19:06 | libsysguy | ahh ok |
| 19:06 | i guess I should have just looked at the tt files to see what they were including in tt code | |
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| 19:14 | jcamins | libsysguy: yeah, doc-head-open, doc-head-close, etc. are a bit disturbing. |
| 19:14 | cait | disturbing? |
| 19:15 | jcamins | I'd say "... for the uninitiated," but every time I think about them, I get disturbed, too. |
| 19:15 | libsysguy | yeah I am wondering if that could be accomplished with a central wrapper then insert what you need in the middle |
| 19:15 | jcamins | cait: we are opening tags in one file, and closing them in another file. |
| 19:15 | cait | hm |
| 19:15 | * cait | is not as disturbed by that as she should be |
| 19:16 | druthb | i've had occasion to look into it recently with the right-to-left stuff, m'self. |
| 19:16 | libsysguy | and druthb... |
| 19:16 | wahanui | druthb is probably ready to be home. |
| 19:17 | * druthb | wields poking stick |
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| 19:17 | * libsysguy | eek |
| 19:17 | runs from druthb | |
| 19:17 | * druthb | misses libsysguy, and pokes wahanui instead |
| 19:17 | libsysguy | poor wahanui |
| 19:18 | * druthb | makes a long arm, and pokes libsysguy, too |
| 19:18 | druthb | you can't win. |
| 19:18 | jcamins | You know what's a nuisance? The way that accents aren't used on capital letters. |
| 19:18 | Well, sometimes. | |
| 19:19 | libsysguy | haha |
| 19:19 | poor /me | |
| 19:19 | druthb | Éh, jcamins? |
| 19:20 | oleonard | Õ, jcamins? |
| 19:20 | * druthb | falls over giggling |
| 19:23 | jcamins | druthb: I'm not saying it's impossible to have accented capital letters. I'm just observing that one generally doesn't. |
| 19:23 | * druthb | throws up her hands, and says, "oi! catalogers!" |
| 19:24 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Well, I'm off to lunch. Have a good day everyone! |
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| 19:30 | jcamins | nengard: are you still looking for topics to do videos about? |
| 19:30 | nengard: if so, you could do a video about batch deleting items. | |
| 19:31 | nengard | i did that one |
| 19:31 | :) | |
| 19:31 | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]tems-in-koha-3-4/ | |
| 19:32 | jcamins | nengard: ah, I thought I had remembered you doing that. |
| 19:35 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:40 | cait | morning |
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| 19:51 | rangi | Didn't talljoy used to work for amigos? |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Yup. |
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| 19:53 | kathryn | morning :) |
| 19:53 | rangi | Better ferry today? |
| 19:54 | kathryn | super smooth, sat outside! |
| 19:54 | rangi | Nice |
| 19:56 | * sekjal | should have brought a sweater today |
| 20:01 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 20:01 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 17.0°C (4:00 PM EDT on May 14, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:02 | maximep | can you set a size to the input field of a new pref in .pref file ? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences doesn't tell me much about the yaml format |
| 20:03 | rangi | My stop bbiab |
| 20:04 | jcamins | maximep: I'm not sure, but check the default auth 008 syspref. |
| 20:04 | Maybe that one already does it. | |
| 20:06 | maximep | hmmmm found one that specify a css class. I could do it that way |
| 20:06 | kathryn | 3, 2, 1, hi rangi |
| 20:07 | jcamins | Seems like there should be a better way. |
| 20:07 | kathryn | (don't mind me, just seeing if the thing I used to do when I was a kid would work - trying to guess the exact moment when something would happen) |
| 20:07 | cait | and did it? |
| 20:08 | kathryn | nope he's not here yet |
| 20:08 | hi cait! | |
| 20:08 | mbalmer | who is working on RFID support, if anyone is? |
| 20:08 | cait | oh |
| 20:08 | hi kathryn :) | |
| 20:10 | jcamins | There's no special support required within Koha for RFID, as I understand it. |
| 20:10 | You use a SIP-enabled RFID pad, and that's all there is to it. | |
| 20:11 | cait | mbalmer: we have 2 libraries working with rfid and self checks |
| 20:11 | mbalmer | we had a long technical discussion last week. about how to connect the rfid pads and such. |
| 20:11 | cait | using sip2 and a keyboard buffer (?) software at the circ desk |
| 20:12 | mbalmer | and how to arm the alarm gates. |
| 20:12 | jcamins | mbalmer: I think there was a conversation about RFID on #koha a few months ago. |
| 20:12 | I'd search in the logs. | |
| 20:12 | rangi | back |
| 20:12 | mbalmer | ok. |
| 20:13 | cait | mbalmer: sip2 |
| 20:13 | or | |
| 20:13 | mostly | |
| 20:13 | no | |
| 20:13 | rangi | all the major players, 3M, bibliotheca, etc |
| 20:13 | cait | they do it on their own |
| 20:13 | rangi | use SIP2 |
| 20:13 | cait | no connection needed |
| 20:13 | mbalmer | at least in .ch, the lms sets a security bit in the rfid label, so the lms has to talk to the rfid label. |
| 20:13 | cait | yes |
| 20:13 | but it does not have to talk at the gates | |
| 20:13 | either the bit is there or not | |
| 20:13 | only has to check that | |
| 20:13 | mbalmer | the alarm gate only checks the security bit. |
| 20:13 | cait | yes |
| 20:14 | and it's not only in ch | |
| 20:14 | afi bit | |
| 20:14 | mbalmer | we think that could be done better (or, we want to check that) |
| 20:14 | * rangi | sat through a presentation by a .ch RFID company last week |
| 20:14 | cait | most vendors sell some special software for the gates |
| 20:14 | so you can get statistics | |
| 20:14 | mbalmer | we think the gate could do as well as db lookup for the items. |
| 20:15 | rangi | that would be slow |
| 20:15 | mbalmer | so the rfid labels could be read-only. |
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| 20:15 | mbalmer | rangi, depends on the db. |
| 20:15 | cait | no not really |
| 20:15 | rangi | no, depends on lots of things |
| 20:15 | mbalmer | if doner properly, it is not slow. |
| 20:15 | cait | if you have 3 people wlaking through at the same times |
| 20:15 | rangi | latency of network |
| 20:15 | cait | with bags full of labels |
| 20:15 | it will be too slow | |
| 20:15 | mbalmer | we want to measure that. |
| 20:15 | cait | and it's easy to trick the gates anyway |
| 20:16 | jcamins | cait: but is it as fun to trick RFID gates as it is to trick tattletape gates? |
| 20:16 | mbalmer | we discussed a test setup to see if it is doable. |
| 20:16 | we can already read 16 rfid tags at the same time. | |
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| 20:17 | mbalmer | if we can avoid writing to the labels, things would get a tad bit easier. but then we don't know if it will work in practice. |
| 20:17 | so it's an experiment... | |
| 20:18 | cait | what's bad about writing to them? |
| 20:18 | rangi | the vendors have tried this already |
| 20:18 | its too slow to even talk to a camera | |
| 20:18 | mbalmer | cait, it has to be done from the koha software somehow. |
| 20:19 | cait | most libraries use the software from the vendor to do that |
| 20:19 | rangi | they use the audible alarm to trigger the ctv to take a still, because it can do that faster than talking to it |
| 20:19 | cait | write on it |
| 20:19 | and the rfid pad takes care of the afi bit | |
| 20:19 | mbalmer | rangi, really? a db lookup should take some ms only? |
| 20:19 | rangi | its not the db lookup |
| 20:19 | cait | well... with the software |
| 20:19 | rangi | its the other factors, how fast the gates can talk to the db |
| 20:19 | mbalmer | the reading? |
| 20:20 | we want to test that. | |
| 20:20 | rangi | its gonna be different in every single library setup, and with every different gate vendor |
| 20:20 | cait | you asked, you got opinions :) |
| 20:20 | mbalmer | yes. |
| 20:21 | rangi | its a lot easier to write to the tags now the major players are all supporting the ISO dataset |
| 20:22 | mbalmer | how do you write to them from the koha backend processes? |
| 20:23 | rangi | the pad toggles the security bit |
| 20:23 | mbalmer | ah. not the koha sofware? how simple... |
| 20:23 | rangi | all it needs to know from sip2 is if the transaction was completed, if so, security bit is toggled off |
| 20:24 | exactly same as self check | |
| 20:24 | and demagnetising | |
| 20:24 | the old way | |
| 20:24 | mbalmer | ok, so these are smart pads. |
| 20:24 | interesting. | |
| 20:25 | rangi | yep, i think its quite hard to get a vendor to sell you one that cant do that |
| 20:25 | you'd probably have to build your own these days | |
| 20:25 | mbalmer | we were thinking about how to hook a simple rfid transponder to a linux client. without any extra intellligence. |
| 20:25 | rangi | certainly all the self check machines can do it (obviously or they wouldnt be much use) |
| 20:26 | * jcamins | calls it a day. |
| 20:26 | mbalmer | and how to make koha talk to the rfid transponder. |
| 20:26 | rangi | talk to slef, he's done that before |
| 20:26 | mbalmer | same way btw, like we talk to receipt printers from koha. |
| 20:28 | rangi | koha always used to talk to receipt printers via lpd/cups then someone broke that, but patches are there to put that back as an option now |
| 20:28 | mbalmer | I d like to take any pc, put linux on it, use it as a koha client, attach an rfid reader to it, and us that. no smart pad. just a cheap reader. there has to be a way to do that... |
| 20:29 | we talk to printers over port 9100. we have a daemon that listens on port 9100 and talks to locally connected printers over serial or usb. | |
| 20:30 | i.e. we can make serial printers network visible. | |
| 20:30 | rangi | you could do that with cups too couldnt you? |
| 20:31 | mbalmer | dunno. that way you can talk directly to the |
| 20:31 | printer. | |
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| 20:32 | cait | what happens when the printer runs out of paper? |
| 20:33 | mbalmer | no paper no print. |
| 20:33 | cait | and the print is lost? |
| 20:33 | mbalmer | that depends. |
| 20:34 | need not be. | |
| 20:36 | the basic promise is, if you connect a serial printer to your linux acting as a client, that serial printer is reachable on tcp port 9100. the koha server can thus connect and print to it. using cups or anything different. | |
| 20:36 | slef | yeah done it |
| 20:37 | I've a client daemon that listens for ssl connection on port 8443 or something | |
| 20:38 | and relays to/from the serial port | |
| 20:38 | koha needs the driver for the rfid transponder though | |
| 20:38 | mbalmer | I have done it specifically for printers. many clients can connect concurrently. |
| 20:38 | slef, yep. | |
| 20:39 | slef | oh yeah you need to avoid that |
| 20:39 | as you can't spool rfid transactions | |
| 20:39 | mbalmer | sure. its not the same as printers, where you want to spool. |
| 20:40 | we are thinking of a little and simple protocol, where koha talks to a rfid daemon, and that daemon talks to the transponder. | |
| 20:41 | so the same protocol can be used for different transponders. | |
| 20:41 | slef | about to pop out but I'll post the current client code and the TRF7960 drivers |
| 20:41 | mbalmer | but hey, edinburgh is soon... |
| 20:41 | slef | oh yeah I could bring the TRF and another device |
| 20:42 | I'll post to http://git.software.coop/ | |
| 20:42 | mbalmer | i want to work mostly on sipserver, but why not dedicate some time to rfid as well? |
| 20:42 | slef | in case we don't overlap |
| 20:42 | yeah | |
| 20:43 | I want to work on sipserver too but i don't have one handy like the rfid! | |
| 20:43 | cait | slef: speaking of kohacon... :) |
| 20:43 | magnus_afk | g'night #koha |
| 20:43 | cait | night magnus_away :) |
| 20:43 | slef | cait: arrrrgh |
| 20:44 | mbalmer | slef, I wrote my own sip client, and am testing against koha and Sunrise. Koha sipserver needs some extensions, though. |
| 20:45 | cait | slef: growling at me? :) |
| 20:46 | slef | cait: nah jst overload |
| 20:46 | cait | slef: just a gentle reminder - we really need to get it done |
| 20:47 | I think if we fixed the one issue on day 2 | |
| 20:47 | mbalmer | gn8... |
| 20:47 | cait | we could put it on the website - and add the missing geosci |
| 20:47 | later | |
| 20:48 | slef: ok, gonna let you go now :) | |
| 20:49 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #12 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:20 | sekjal | time to catch my bus. have a good evening, #koha |
| 21:20 | rangi | cya sekjal |
| 21:33 | libsysguy left #koha | |
| 21:42 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:43 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #12: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/12/ |
| 21:43 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 8072: [SIGNED-OFF] Changes in capitalisation had broken guided reports | |
| 21:43 | * kyle: Bug 8035 - bibs with comments show an error in opac | |
| 21:43 | * magnus: Bug 7924 - Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove | |
| 21:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8072 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , reports wizard dies |
| 21:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8035 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , bibs with comments show an error in opac | |
| 21:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7924 critical, P1 - high, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove | |
| 21:43 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #13 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 22:19 | * jcamins | learns about memoize and caching in Koha. |
| 22:23 | wishes he hadn't. | |
| 22:38 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #13: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/13/ |
| 22:38 | * magnus: Bug 7984 [SIGNED-OFF] - Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission | |
| 22:38 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 8045: fixes "date due" when checking in | |
| 22:38 | * jcamins: Bug 8022: Permissions test doesn't check all languages | |
| 22:38 | * paul.poulain: bug 8022 follow-up, missing permission in spanish | |
| 22:38 | * magnus: Bug 7982: [SIGNED-OFF] Typo in moremember-receipt.tt | |
| 22:38 | * srdjan: bug_7647: Table sorter on issue history | |
| 22:38 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [9] | |
| 22:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7984 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission |
| 22:38 | jenkins_koha | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [15] |
| 22:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8045 normal, P2, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Problems on Due date when checking in |
| 22:38 | jenkins_koha | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [13] |
| 22:38 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [10] | |
| 22:38 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [6] | |
| 22:38 | Starting build #14 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 22:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8022 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Permissions test doesn't check all languages |
| 22:38 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7982 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Typo in moremember-receipt.tt | |
| 22:38 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , DataTables in Koha | |
| 22:49 | JoeLib001 joined #koha | |
| 22:50 | JoeLib001 | Hello. :-) Has anyone dealt with Koha Serials much? |
| 22:52 | rangi | not me |
| 22:54 | * jcamins | ponders whether there is any excuse for Koha::Cache::Memoize calling Memoize::memoize, and finds that there is not. |
| 23:15 | papa joined #koha | |
| 23:16 | rangi | jcamins: http://domm.plix.at/perl/2012_[…]utf8_strings.html |
| 23:17 | jcamins | rangi: I guess we'll be using Cache::Memcached::Fast then. |
| 23:27 | I hope CHI uses Cache::Memcached::Fast. | |
| 23:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #14: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/14/ |
| 23:31 | * wizzyrea: Bug 7998 - CSS fixes for new interface | |
| 23:31 | * jcamins: Bug 7998: Don't make the news all bold | |
| 23:31 | * julian.maurice: Bug 7178: Follow-up Improve order item creation | |
| 23:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7998 critical, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles |
| 23:31 | jenkins_koha | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7178: Follwup - Remove warning on uninitialized value in sprintf for neworderempty |
| 23:31 | * koha.sekjal: Bug 5549 followup: fix suspension in days further | |
| 23:31 | * dpavlin: Bug 7213 - simple /svc/ HTTP example | |
| 23:31 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 7213 : Follow up fixing license information | |
| 23:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Improve order item creation |
| 23:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans | |
| 23:32 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client | |
| 23:52 | * jcamins | ponders the normalizer. |
| 23:54 | jcamins | rangi: What does this do? http://domm.plix.at/perl/2012_[…]utf8_strings.html |
| 23:54 | No, wrong linnk. | |
| 23:54 | rangi: what does _this_ do: $array_argstr = $scalar_argstr = join chr(28), @args; | |
| 23:55 | rangi | not sure why the double assignment |
| 23:55 | papa: any ideas? | |
| 23:55 | wahanui | any ideas are welcome :) |
| 23:56 | rangi | the right hand side is a simple join, but not sure why assigned twice |
| 23:56 | papa | because they want it in both places? |
| 23:56 | jcamins | Will the two variables have the same value? |
| 23:56 | rangi | yup |
| 23:56 | papa | it is not that uncommon, you keep one, and then go and modify other |
| 23:56 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 23:56 | Makes sense. | |
| 23:57 | Thanks. | |
| 23:57 | papa | no worries |
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