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| 06:17 | cait | morning #koha |
| 06:30 | blab. | |
| 06:30 | were you inspired by mbalmer's blabla? and then 33 points! | |
| 07:05 | rangi | Yep one good thing, helped my scrabble score |
| 07:06 | cait | I have to look that up :) |
| 07:06 | jcamins said scrabble would help my vocabulary.... lots of weird new words | |
| 07:06 | rangi | To blab, to talk a lot usually about something you shouldn't be telling ppl |
| 07:07 | I heard about my suprise party because Kate blabbed about it | |
| 07:08 | cait | :) |
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| 07:34 | Brooke | o/ |
| 07:34 | rangi | hi Brooke |
| 07:34 | Brooke | :) |
| 07:35 | i pehea to ra? | |
| 07:35 | rangi | not too bad |
| 07:35 | Brooke | :) |
| 07:35 | not too bad > eh | |
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| 08:03 | Brooke | hi adnc |
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| 08:03 | adnc | hi Brooke |
| 08:03 | Brooke | hey eythian |
| 08:03 | rangi | hi adnc |
| 08:04 | adnc | rangi, hi |
| 08:08 | cait | hi adnc :) |
| 08:08 | adnc | morgen cait |
| 08:08 | schon so früh wach | |
| 08:10 | cait | bugs schlafen nicht ;) |
| 08:11 | aber eigentlich ist es ja auch gar nicht mehr so früh :) | |
| 08:21 | rangi | @later tell paul_p bug 7743 has the fix for the failing test on jenkins |
| 08:21 | huginn` | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:40 | slef | hi all |
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| 08:42 | rangi | hiya slef |
| 08:42 | cait | hi slef |
| 08:43 | we should glue eythian to the channel | |
| 08:45 | rangi | yeah not sure what is up with his computer |
| 08:46 | cait | we can tell him tomorrow I guess |
| 08:49 | perhaps | |
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| 11:15 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 11:16 | cait! easter holidays ? | |
| 11:16 | cait | yes, monday is a holiday here |
| 11:16 | back to work tomorrow | |
| 11:16 | Oak | hmm |
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| 11:18 | * Oak | needs to learn how to set up hourly backups of Koha. |
| 11:18 | Oak | to a remote location: on FTP plus on local network using samba. |
| 11:19 | nothing on wiki on cron? | |
| 11:19 | rangi | Oak: you are using packages eh? |
| 11:19 | Oak | yes |
| 11:19 | rangi | look in /etc/cron.daily/koha-common |
| 11:20 | Oak | okie dokie |
| 11:20 | rangi | thats what does the backups |
| 11:21 | you'll want to take the command, and write a little bash script around it, to do the ftp/samba stuff then put that in /etc/cron.d/koha-common | |
| 11:23 | Oak | hmm, i don't see "koha-run-backups" command in there... by the way. |
| 11:24 | rangi | where in cron.daily? |
| 11:24 | Oak | yes |
| 11:24 | no no | |
| 11:25 | yes it is there | |
| 11:25 | sorry | |
| 11:25 | in the end | |
| 11:25 | rangi | :) |
| 11:25 | last line | |
| 11:25 | yep | |
| 11:25 | Oak | koha-run-backups --days 2 --output /var/spool/koha |
| 11:25 | yes, crap... I was looking at all the long lines | |
| 11:26 | what does the --days 2 switch means? | |
| 11:28 | jcamins_away | rangi: you're up late. |
| 11:28 | Oak: that's how many days worth of backups to keep in /var/spool/koha | |
| 11:28 | Oak | ah cool... okay good. |
| 11:28 | i also found it in /usr/sbin/koha-run-backups | |
| 11:29 | hmm | |
| 11:29 | rangi | jcamins: yep i should be asleep, will be soon |
| 11:30 | Oak | will it be crazy to put the backup command in cron.hourly? |
| 11:31 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 11:31 | rangi | as it is yes |
| 11:31 | because it will just overwrite itself | |
| 11:32 | Oak | :) hm. what if i do work all day (cataloging) and at 11:50pm the hard disk dies; suppose, then whole days' work will be lost. |
| 11:32 | rangi | you'd need to wrap it with a script that copied the backup somewhere, also, mysqldump works the db |
| 11:32 | yep | |
| 11:33 | but if you are doing that much cataloguing, you should have the disk raided | |
| 11:33 | and/or running replication | |
| 11:33 | Oak | how about I modify the /usr/sbin/koha-run-backups: these lines -- tardump="$dirname/$name/$name-$date.tar.gz" |
| 11:33 | rangi | still need a script to copy it off |
| 11:34 | Oak | to add time also |
| 11:34 | rangi | or if the disk dies, your still out |
| 11:34 | Oak | yes |
| 11:34 | rangi | plus running a dump, works the db hard |
| 11:34 | * jcamins | would recommend replication. |
| 11:34 | rangi | yep |
| 11:34 | jcamins | Do the backup off the slave. |
| 11:35 | slef | congratulations to rangi on having the first paper accepted for kohacon12 ;) |
| 11:35 | rangi | yay! |
| 11:35 | slef | (and congratulations to rafael on having the second paper accepted for kohacon12) |
| 11:35 | Oak | for now, RAID is not in the equation. |
| 11:35 | congratulations rangi :) | |
| 11:35 | cait | oh |
| 11:36 | slef: anything to review for me? :) | |
| 11:36 | rangi | Oak: replication is easy, if you have a spare box to replicate too, (and if losing a days data is a worry) |
| 11:36 | slef | cait: would you like some hackfest papers? |
| 11:37 | cait | why not :) |
| 11:37 | slef | everything else is out to reviewers |
| 11:37 | ok, cool | |
| 11:37 | jcamins | You know, sometimes one discovers the weirdest things around one's home. |
| 11:38 | cait | what did you find? |
| 11:38 | jcamins | We have a sealed container with something that looks very much like antifreeze sitting on my dresser. |
| 11:38 | cait | slef: how many submissions so far? |
| 11:38 | jcamins | We don't have a car. |
| 11:38 | Oak | can you kindly point me to some link... as i don't know what the term 'replication' means for DB backup. |
| 11:38 | jcamins | We have *never* had a car in the city. |
| 11:38 | It's not enough antifreeze to do anything useful. | |
| 11:38 | * Oak | Googles "mysql replication" |
| 11:39 | jcamins | And it's in one of the containers that I generally use for freezing things. |
| 11:39 | cait | hm |
| 11:39 | slef | cait: 9 |
| 11:39 | cait | cool |
| 11:39 | I think close to the deadline will be some more | |
| 11:39 | slef | yes, I am sure |
| 11:40 | Oak | found it: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]/replication.html |
| 11:40 | * jcamins | needs to submit a proposal for a remote talk on analytics. |
| 11:40 | wants to call it "Analyze everything! Analytic records in Koha" | |
| 11:40 | slef | jcamins: oh I think mle said internet is confirmed. Did you see it / should I check? |
| 11:41 | jcamins | slef: yeah, I saw that. |
| 11:42 | rangi | ok, bedtime |
| 11:42 | slef | thank rangi |
| 11:42 | jcamins | That's why I was waiting to submit a proposal, so I knew whether to propose a presentation via Skype/whatever, or whether I needed someone to read the talk. |
| 11:43 | Oak | good night rangi |
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| 11:44 | slef | I think sponsors 3 and 4 have just come on board too, but I'll confirm that once banks open again! |
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| 11:45 | sha | hii |
| 11:45 | slef | hi sha |
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| 11:49 | cait | slef: yay :) |
| 11:49 | and I got the confirmation | |
| 11:51 | slef | cait: do you think the new paragraph on http://koha-community.org/koha[…]soring-kohacon12/ is OK? (Starts "We will announce sponsors...") |
| 11:51 | cait | hm |
| 11:52 | i am still not sure we should put such a heavy weight on the amount | |
| 11:52 | slef | cait: I think know how you feel about the levels in general - this is all a bit icky, but more money means better kohacon12 |
| 11:52 | cait | slef: I think this is a bit too much for me to feel comfortable with - small amounts can be big amounts for small companies |
| 11:53 | and I don't think we should encourage a "X gave more than y" | |
| 11:53 | it should be confidential | |
| 11:54 | so mentioning whohas already sponsoered is ok for me, but the listing order ... I don't like that | |
| 11:54 | slef | cait: I agree. That's why I wanted the Kind Hearts level and not just the big one. I also wanted the numbers in general clear on the call for sponsors. |
| 11:54 | (I agree about the small amounts are big amounts for small companies) | |
| 11:54 | cait | I don't think we have to do that |
| 11:55 | give sponsors a lot | |
| 11:55 | slef | I was thinking, you see, what is there to encourage sponsors to give more than the minimum level? |
| 11:55 | cait | yes, but I think it will work without so much encouragement |
| 11:55 | slef | I can encourage them to sponsor earlier (which will help) by including them in more announcements. |
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| 11:56 | slef | OK... so should the ordering be random, would you say? |
| 11:56 | cait | random |
| 11:56 | would work for me | |
| 11:56 | slef | I wonder if we can use the same thing that does the paid support listing. I'll ask wizzyrea |
| 11:56 | cait | or alphabetic |
| 11:56 | slef | I hate alphabetic. |
| 11:56 | cait | heh |
| 11:56 | youare not a librarian :) | |
| 11:56 | slef | My company names have started with s and t |
| 11:57 | cait | random would work for me |
| 11:57 | I am not sure how other kohacons did it | |
| 11:57 | slef | meaningful names are better than "aaaa1111 koha co" |
| 11:58 | no me neither... previous kohacons have been a bit more opaque about money than I like | |
| 11:58 | cait | hm |
| 11:58 | slef | I agree on the confidential in general, but I'll publish a summary account of the conference and maybe hand over some money to kohacon13 |
| 11:59 | (depending what comes in) | |
| 11:59 | cait | I think that's ok |
| 11:59 | giving others an idea about costs is not wrong | |
| 11:59 | slef | that's been the hardest thing for me about organising this one |
| 12:00 | cait | but by the way this community works... I don't like to see so much value being put on money - sure we need it... |
| 12:00 | jcamins | slef: do you know, I was thinking about doing business as "aaaa11111 bibliography services." ;) |
| 12:03 | slef | cait: money && social && environmental |
| 12:03 | cait: need all three | |
| 12:03 | jcamins: *&!&*&$$! | |
| 12:03 | :) | |
| 12:03 | jcamins | :) |
| 12:04 | slef | jcamins: that's not cursing. That's what I was wondering about having as a trading name. It would appear before your aaaa11111 bibliography services in the support directory. |
| 12:04 | jcamins | slef: I figured. |
| 12:05 | cait | slef: thx for changing the sponsoring text :) |
| 12:06 | slef: do you have an idea yet how much money we will need in total? | |
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| 12:08 | slef | cait: too many variables. I think GBP 2000 + printing + maybe transport (moving equipment and so on) + whatever else we want to do. |
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| 12:09 | cait | hmm I thought more even :) |
| 12:09 | I think it will work out | |
| 12:09 | i thought about how wikipedia does it - have a scale or something | |
| 12:09 | telling people how close | |
| 12:09 | but hard to predict the total, as you say | |
| 12:09 | slef | cait: the venue is reasonably-priced. We are hoping it is OK. |
| 12:09 | cait: wikipedia set a target | |
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| 12:09 | cait | slef: yeah, so will not work |
| 12:10 | slef | I was going to set GBP 2500 as the target for crowd-funding if we did that |
| 12:10 | as crowd-funding sites penalise you if you don't reach the target | |
| 12:11 | cait | it's still not a lot for a multi-day conference |
| 12:11 | slef | no, indeed |
| 12:14 | debconf is over GBP 12,000 but they have many rooms and pay for some people's food and hotels and so on | |
| 12:17 | hrm, actually GBP 25,000 | |
| 12:17 | I just found the accounts :) | |
| 12:17 | http://rkd.zgib.net/http/debco[…]ting-balances.txt | |
| 12:18 | ow | |
| 12:18 | more like GBP 35000 | |
| 12:19 | cait | ouch |
| 12:19 | well. we don't want to get that big | |
| 12:19 | slef | yeah, glad we're not that big |
| 12:20 | cait | slef: how many people registered so far? |
| 12:20 | :) | |
| 12:20 | * cait | is excited and working on the reviews. |
| 12:21 | slef | cait: at least 17 |
| 12:21 | cait | hm not too bad :) |
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| 13:37 | * chris_n | wonders if jcamins_away really is |
| 13:37 | chris_n | hi cait |
| 13:41 | * chris_n | bangs a pot to see if anyone is awake :-) |
| 13:41 | chris_n | wahanui ? |
| 13:41 | wahanui | yes, chris_n? |
| 13:42 | slef | die! |
| 13:42 | wahanui: die! | |
| 13:42 | wahanui | errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit! |
| 13:42 | chris_n | lol |
| 13:45 | slef | wahanui: the first sign of madness? |
| 13:45 | wahanui | the first sign of madness is, like, looking for hairs on the palms of my hands |
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| 14:02 | cait | hi chris_n |
| 14:02 | the second sign of madness? | |
| 14:02 | wahanui | i guess the second sign of madness is hairs on the palms of my hands |
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| 14:02 | Oak | don't ask the 4rd |
| 14:03 | *sigh* | |
| 14:03 | never mind | |
| 14:03 | cait | oh |
| 14:03 | now I want to! | |
| 14:03 | the fourth sign of madness? | |
| 14:03 | Oak | :) |
| 14:04 | chris_n | cait: what field is typically used for url's in electronic resources? |
| 14:04 | cait | @marc 856 |
| 14:04 | huginn` | cait: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message) |
| 14:04 | cait | @marc u |
| 14:04 | huginn` | cait: unknown tag u |
| 14:04 | cait | @marc 856 u |
| 14:04 | huginn` | cait: Uniform Resource Identifier The URI, which provides standard syntax for locating an object using existing Internet protocols. Field 856 is structured to allow for the creation of a URL from the concatenation of other separate 856 subfields. Subfield $u may be used instead of those separate subfields or in addition to them.Subfield $u may be repeated only if both a URN or a URL or more than one URN are (1 more message) |
| 14:04 | chris_n | @more |
| 14:04 | huginn` | chris_n: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 14:04 | chris_n | @marc more |
| 14:04 | huginn` | chris_n: unknown tag more |
| 14:05 | slef | @more cait |
| 14:05 | huginn` | slef: recorded. (Repeatable) |
| 14:05 | chris_n | ahh |
| 14:05 | Oak | cait++ |
| 14:05 | chris_n | so if I want to mimic something like the left side of this page: http://archive.org/details/inm[…]amhamil00broogoog |
| 14:05 | I'd use that field | |
| 14:05 | cait | I am recorded and repeatable? :P |
| 14:05 | chris_n | repeated |
| 14:05 | hehe | |
| 14:05 | slef | cait: apparently :) |
| 14:05 | * slef | fails to log in on someone's website and sulks. |
| 14:06 | chris_n | the more the merrier they say |
| 14:06 | cait | slef: scary :) |
| 14:06 | chris_n: are you aware of the super cool feature jared did for local cover images? | |
| 14:06 | chris_n | cait: can I add any field to my xml stylesheet? |
| 14:06 | yes | |
| 14:06 | * chris_n | will be using that too |
| 14:06 | cait | ah ok |
| 14:07 | chris_n | what I'm speaking of here is the links to the different electronic formats |
| 14:07 | cait | there is also a system preference to show correctly formatted 856 as pictures in the record I think |
| 14:07 | * chris_n | is integrating IA's reader into his koha |
| 14:07 | cait | IA's reader? |
| 14:07 | chris_n | internet archive |
| 14:07 | cait | ah |
| 14:07 | yes you can repeat 856 | |
| 14:08 | and there is already a lot of code for that in the xsl stylesheets | |
| 14:08 | chris_n | http://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/bookreader |
| 14:08 | cait | and you can make any field display that is in your marcxml |
| 14:08 | chris_n | hi wizzyrea |
| 14:08 | cool | |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 14:08 | * chris_n | was beginning to think he missed a holiday or some such ;-) |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | hehe |
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| 14:10 | chris_n | hmm |
| 14:11 | sekjal | apparently it's Dyngus Day (http://www.dyngusdaybuffalo.co[…]isdyngusday.html) |
| 14:11 | chris_n | why not have the resource url in the item rather than the bib? |
| 14:12 | * chris_n | considers a case where two items attached to a bib reference copies of the resource at different locations... url-ly speaking |
| 14:12 | cait | why have it in the bib? |
| 14:12 | you can do that | |
| 14:12 | have an url in the item | |
| 14:12 | chris_n | ahh |
| 14:12 | cait | 952 $u I think |
| 14:13 | chris_n | well... it must be monday |
| 14:13 | that was staring me in the face... | |
| 14:13 | cait | but much harder to make it display nicely if you want to change the default |
| 14:13 | chris_n | so 952$u is not easily added to the stylesheet? |
| 14:14 | cait | I tihnk you could |
| 14:14 | but | |
| 14:14 | items in general are not dealt with in the xsl | |
| 14:14 | hm | |
| 14:14 | thinking yout it , not sure you can | |
| 14:14 | since we removed the items from the xml | |
| 14:14 | you probably can't | |
| 14:14 | not sure which xml is used | |
| 14:15 | the one in the database or the one from zebra | |
| 14:15 | chris_n | so is there a "norm" for when to add "duplicate" bibs and when to add more items to the same bib? |
| 14:16 | * chris_n | thinks life just got harder for some reason... |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | for what it's worth |
| 14:16 | chris_n | ie, should I have one bib for each resource location? |
| 14:17 | wizzyrea | oh, never mind. |
| 14:17 | e-items | |
| 14:17 | not real items | |
| 14:17 | chris_n | right |
| 14:17 | wizzyrea | we add new bibs whenever the medium changes. |
| 14:17 | chris_n | or are e-resources not in the set of items? |
| 14:17 | ahh | |
| 14:18 | wizzyrea | large print, mass market, etc |
| 14:18 | dvd | |
| 14:18 | < publics | |
| 14:18 | chris_n | so I should probably set off on the path of a new bib for e-resources and then one per location? |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | well, define location? |
| 14:19 | chris_n | URL |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 14:19 | chris_n | ie... I serve a copy locally, but also want to reference it on the i-net |
| 14:19 | sometimes public domain resources disappear | |
| 14:20 | cait | you can give a description for each 856 |
| 14:20 | chris_n | we will retain some local copies to avoid future unavailability |
| 14:20 | cait | that will show |
| 14:20 | so as long as all urls lead to the same resource | |
| 14:20 | content / presentation wise | |
| 14:20 | I would keep it on the same record | |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | http://catalog-test.nexpressli[…]blionumber=433883 |
| 14:20 | we do them like this | |
| 14:20 | cait | hi wizzyrea :) |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | now, we don't have more than one, but we don't have your situation either |
| 14:21 | I believe | |
| 14:21 | cait | we have lots of urls |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea | we have a not-for-loan status of download |
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| 14:21 | cait | becaue of catalog enrichment from the union catalog |
| 14:21 | chris_n | wizzyrea that helps |
| 14:21 | pictures++ | |
| 14:22 | so the "Online Resources:" field is 856? | |
| 14:22 | cait: do you just lump them all on the same line in your item display? | |
| 14:22 | cait | searching for an exmaple |
| 14:22 | sec | |
| 14:23 | chris_n: but yes to your question | |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | yea, the OR is 856 |
| 14:23 | * chris_n | misses the marc view on wizzyrea's test system |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 14:23 | chris_n | :) |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | we are patron friendly here >.> |
| 14:23 | actually that's what it looks like in production too :) | |
| 14:24 | chris_n | considering marc is scarry to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons |
| 14:24 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 14:24 | @quote add chris_n: considering marc is scary to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons. | |
| 14:24 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #199 added. |
| 14:24 | wizzyrea | oh, yea, that's not a bad display |
| 14:25 | with appropriate descriptions that would be just fine. | |
| 14:25 | and it could be styled with jquery + css prolly | |
| 14:25 | if you don't like that list | |
| 14:25 | cait | I should make the font bigger sometime |
| 14:25 | I think it once was bigger...perhaps something wrong in the css | |
| 14:25 | yep | |
| 14:25 | chris_n | this is great |
| 14:26 | cait | it's repeated 856 with a u and an x or z (always confuse where the note goes) |
| 14:27 | chris_n | on the topic of formatting: our catalogers have entered most of the TOC data in our collection |
| 14:27 | cait | chris_n: it shows on the result list too |
| 14:27 | chris_n | I'd love to break it out and display it separately |
| 14:27 | cait: nice | |
| 14:27 | this discussion has been a big help | |
| 14:28 | cait | chris_n: you can certainly make it more prominent using css |
| 14:28 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 14:28 | cait | oleonard's catalog has something nice too |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea: imdb is a great idea! | |
| 14:29 | wahanui | is a great idea! can be found at http://www.imdb.com/M/title-su[…]+idea!&type=fuzzy |
| 14:29 | chris_n | are you all doing your customization via css |
| 14:29 | cait | oh |
| 14:29 | imdb jane eyre | |
| 14:29 | hm | |
| 14:29 | where did wahanui learn this? | |
| 14:30 | wahanui: imdb? | |
| 14:30 | wahanui | i don't know, cait |
| 14:30 | cait | wahanui imd is a great idea |
| 14:30 | wahanui | OK, cait. |
| 14:30 | cait | lol |
| 14:30 | forgt imd | |
| 14:30 | forget imd | |
| 14:30 | wahanui | cait: I forgot imd |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | yea, that was a burst of inspiration I had one day when I realized that the query strings for IMDB were easy to pass queries to |
| 14:30 | cait | I shoul stop torturing the bot |
| 14:31 | wahanui: imdb is jane eyre? | |
| 14:31 | wahanui | is jane eyre? can be found at http://www.imdb.com/M/title-su[…]+eyre?&type=fuzzy |
| 14:31 | cait | aha! |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | that is possible due to magnuse's stuff |
| 14:31 | weird! | |
| 14:31 | chris_n | opps |
| 14:31 | cait | wahanui: imdb jane eyre |
| 14:31 | wahanui | jane eyre can be found at http://www.imdb.com/M/title-su[…]e+eyre&type=fuzzy |
| 14:31 | cait | now I got him :) |
| 14:31 | chris_n | must of changed their structure? |
| 14:31 | cait | wizzyrea: magnus stuff? |
| 14:32 | chris_n | all of those links are duds |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | yea, I think he added the bits and bobs that let you use certain tags in the more searches |
| 14:33 | so you can do http://site.you.want.to.search/query=<title> or soemthing | |
| 14:33 | probably <<title>> | |
| 14:33 | or <<author>> | |
| 14:33 | cait | ah, I thnk that was nicole :) |
| 14:33 | {TITLE} | |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 14:34 | could be. | |
| 14:34 | I'd have to go back and look. | |
| 14:34 | chris_n | thanks for the help wizzyrea & cait |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | it also enabled the facebook and twitter like+tweet thing |
| 14:34 | cait | I recently did {ISSN} :) |
| 14:34 | will be in 3.8 | |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | noice! |
| 14:34 | cait | and it will work in all views :) |
| 14:34 | isbd too | |
| 14:35 | ah, but you only have normal, so not broken for you | |
| 14:36 | jcamins | chris_n: I was, but I'm not anymore. |
| 14:36 | * chris_n | heads off to utilize his new knowledge |
| 14:36 | chris_n | hi jcamins |
| 14:36 | cait | jcamins: hi :) |
| 14:36 | chris_n | we were just having a class in cataloging e-resources |
| 14:36 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 14:36 | Fun! | |
| 14:36 | chris_n | now its lab time |
| 14:37 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 14:37 | chris_n | feel free to follow up with any suggestions |
| 14:38 | cait | jcamins: do you remember the bug you filed I promise to fix? |
| 14:39 | jcamins | cait: I remember there was one. |
| 14:39 | cait | i remember that too :) |
| 14:40 | jcamins | Bug 7845. |
| 14:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7845 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Multiple 260s don't display properly in search results |
| 14:42 | cait | ah right |
| 14:42 | ok | |
| 14:43 | right after 7926 :) | |
| 14:43 | jcamins | Bug 7926 |
| 14:43 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Acq search results show empty parenthesis for orders without basket group |
| 14:43 | cait | oh |
| 14:43 | jcamins | You have my permission to do my bug first. :P |
| 14:43 | cait | heh |
| 14:44 | this one is small | |
| 14:44 | * jcamins | is generous like that. |
| 14:45 | cait | heh |
| 14:45 | chris_n | LOL |
| 14:45 | cait | well.. for a package of fudge.... |
| 14:47 | slef | heh. fudge-packers. |
| 14:53 | jcamins | Someone else eagerly awaiting bug 7284. :) |
| 14:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority matching algorithm improvements |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | hm did we do this on purpose: 3.6.4: http://screencast.com/t/CUyYg639zD vs. Master: http://screencast.com/t/AcNAVm4DFxY |
| 14:54 | (there are no search boxes or numbers anymore?) | |
| 14:55 | * wizzyrea | goes to look through commits |
| 14:55 | jcamins | The search boxes were moved intentionally. |
| 14:55 | Not sure about the numbers. | |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | ! oh boy. |
| 14:55 | jcamins | I don't think they were intentional. |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | what was the bug |
| 14:55 | jcamins | Check with oleonard, though. |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | for the search boxes |
| 14:56 | jcamins | It was just pushed... |
| 14:56 | @query main page | |
| 14:56 | huginn` | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1778 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, NEW , Redirect to referring page from selectbranchprinter.pl |
| 14:56 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar | |
| 14:56 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6866 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Accessing 'additem.pl' with no CGI params causes error | |
| 14:56 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7372 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , RoadTypes should be folded into Authorised Values | |
| 14:56 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5438 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Holds managed in circ rules | |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Well, that didn't help. |
| 14:56 | @query mainpage | |
| 14:56 | huginn` | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5515 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Leading 'and' in search never returns a result |
| 14:56 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7623 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , help won't load on main page | |
| 14:56 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6276 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Access denied for user ...@localhost | |
| 14:56 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6875 blocker, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , de-nesting C4 packages | |
| 14:56 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , plack scripts for developers | |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 14:57 | Bug 7781? | |
| 14:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7781 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Enhancements to the main page (first step) |
| 14:57 | wizzyrea | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]828874b34c8e51a37 |
| 14:57 | yea | |
| 14:57 | cait | wizzyrea: the numbers are sure not intentional - but the search boxes are on top now |
| 14:58 | * wizzyrea | waits for the screaming |
| 14:58 | cait | it's the same number of clicks |
| 14:58 | wizzyrea | yea, it's a pretty big change though |
| 14:59 | will have to be spoon fed to our librarians. | |
| 14:59 | cait | hm... I agree its a bigger change |
| 14:59 | but it's really the same amount of clicks... hope that helps to make them scream less? | |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | and the numbers thing needs to be fixed. |
| 14:59 | cait | yep |
| 14:59 | file a bug? | |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 15:03 | bug 7928 | |
| 15:03 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7928 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , suggestion, tags numbers missing from mainpage |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | do you know, since the introduction of those numbers, pending suggestions and tags for libraries have dropped dramatically? |
| 15:04 | * wizzyrea | would really be irritated if they went away. |
| 15:05 | sekjal | 7781 skipped the normal QA process |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | oh I see. |
| 15:05 | cait | wizzyrea: we will get them back, don't worry |
| 15:05 | but first I have to fix jared's bug | |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | :) no worries |
| 15:08 | cait | I have some other nice bug fixes waiting for sign-off... *hint* |
| 15:08 | hehe :) | |
| 15:08 | * wizzyrea | is trying to decide if I don't like it because it's different or if I don't like it because it doesn't make sense. |
| 15:09 | will look | |
| 15:09 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think the search boxes make sense to me. |
| 15:09 | The removed features, not so much. | |
| 15:09 | cait | to me too - but I needed some time |
| 15:09 | basically all hackfest in marseille | |
| 15:09 | jcamins | Also, is there a syspref search box on the main page? |
| 15:10 | *tab | |
| 15:10 | There should be. | |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | no - but only for superlibrarians |
| 15:10 | cait | oh |
| 15:10 | and I did a lot of capitalization patches | |
| 15:10 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yes, only for users with permission to modify sysprefs. |
| 15:11 | * jcamins | is one of those users. ;) |
| 15:12 | cait | hm if that is gone it's annoying |
| 15:13 | and I thought we agreed on keeping it for administrators | |
| 15:13 | sekjal | hmmm, we have a lot of exit statements in our code. |
| 15:13 | apparently, those don't work so well for mod_perl | |
| 15:14 | plack is okay with them, so long as they're exit(0), but mod_perl doesn't like them at all | |
| 15:14 | at least that's what my reading is telling me | |
| 15:15 | jcamins | sekjal: didn't someone file a bug about that? |
| 15:19 | sekjal | bug 7829 is a start |
| 15:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , reports/ remove all exit(1) for plack |
| 15:20 | sekjal | but mod_perl doesn't like exit at all, 0 or 1 |
| 15:26 | I think a lot of them run in various conditionals | |
| 15:26 | so the rest of the code would just need to be wrapped in an 'else' statement | |
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| 16:00 | Morthland2 | How can I test the overdue notice? |
| 16:02 | jcamins | Bug 7838 |
| 16:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7838 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Add sort-string-utf.chr for Ukrainian and Russian |
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| 16:47 | nengard | can you all tell that today is manual updating day? keep finding all kinds of little bugs :( |
| 16:48 | jwagner | cait++ |
| 16:49 | cait | nengard: can you keep an eye on the new capitalization rules? |
| 16:49 | nengard | will try :) |
| 16:49 | cait | thx :) |
| 16:49 | jwagner: what for? | |
| 16:49 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 16:49 | jwagner | Syntax in a patch you sent gave me a clue about how to solve a completely different problem. |
| 16:49 | huginn` | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 16.4°C (9:49 AM PDT on April 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
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| 17:01 | cait | nengard: I think the late orders is clever - itshows only the branches with late orders |
| 17:01 | nengard | that's not true though |
| 17:01 | cait | it depends |
| 17:01 | nengard | cause i have other vendors with orders places last year |
| 17:01 | cait | are your orders closed? |
| 17:01 | nengard | and it's not showing them |
| 17:01 | nope | |
| 17:01 | cait | that's why then probably |
| 17:01 | can you check by closing one o fthose orders? | |
| 17:01 | nengard | then i need to document that it only works for closed baskets? |
| 17:02 | cait | I think so - that's what i remember |
| 17:02 | nengard | okay if i close a basket it shows - but i can tell you that this is going to be a support question I get 100 times - libraries would rather see all their vendors and get a message saying no late orders for this vendor than having koha try to be smart for them |
| 17:03 | just what i think will happen | |
| 17:03 | for now i'll update the manual | |
| 17:03 | cait | I think it's better this way |
| 17:03 | I have a library with over 600 vendors | |
| 17:03 | the pull down list gets too long | |
| 17:03 | sekjal | sounds like the problem is around open/closed baskets. I think we need a more concrete idea of what that actually means |
| 17:03 | from a workflow point of view | |
| 17:03 | cait | i think closing a basket means |
| 17:04 | the order has been placed | |
| 17:04 | witht he vendor | |
| 17:04 | it's the only indicator we have for that | |
| 17:04 | sekjal | that's how I typically use it |
| 17:04 | cait | I think koha was less strict on tha tin the past |
| 17:04 | but I think it makes sense to make it a little more strict here | |
| 17:04 | you might keep orders open to gather titles you want to order | |
| 17:04 | like when you want to reach a minimum order amount | |
| 17:05 | but once you are placing the order, you sould close the basket | |
| 17:05 | nengard | updated the report summary in the manual for now |
| 17:05 | sekjal | I know libraries that want to keep all orders for particular serial to be in the same basket, year after year |
| 17:05 | cait | I am writing a comment on bug 7930 |
| 17:05 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7930 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , late order report not showing 'check all' |
| 17:05 | cait | that's also by design :) |
| 17:09 | nengard: I have an open bug for mails not working and a perl error message on that page | |
| 17:09 | bug 5347 | |
| 17:09 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5347 blocker, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , late order management |
| 17:10 | nengard | cait why would i not be allowed to check all the boxes on that page without a filter? |
| 17:10 | that too seems silly | |
| 17:10 | cait | I explainedon the bug |
| 17:10 | it's because you can only do 1 vendor at a time | |
| 17:11 | nengard | then the checkbox shouldn't be there at all - will go read the bug |
| 17:11 | cait | it works once you select a vendor |
| 17:11 | and the checkboxes work | |
| 17:11 | only check all / uncheck all would not work without selecting a vendor | |
| 17:11 | nengard | oh |
| 17:11 | i see | |
| 17:13 | jcamins | nengard: did you check your frameworks re: 7933? |
| 17:14 | Remember the "hidden" attribute only controls expanded MARC view and cataloging. | |
| 17:14 | nengard | my argument there is that it should control everything then |
| 17:14 | it's confusing to the librarian | |
| 17:14 | jcamins | I agree it should. |
| 17:14 | But it doesn't. | |
| 17:15 | So the bug isn't that 090 doesn't appear on the expanded MARC view. It's that the "hidden" attribute hasn't been taken out back and shot. | |
| 17:16 | sekjal | MARC definitions need to be separated from frameworks |
| 17:16 | jcamins | That would be great. |
| 17:17 | sekjal | hopefully structured in a way that would be as quick to load as possible |
| 17:18 | marc defs could be file-based; they don't really change all that much | |
| 17:18 | jcamins | Yes, removing MARC definitions from frameworks would be a huge step towards our MARC support not being painful. |
| 17:19 | sekjal | and a good step towards metadata schema independence |
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| 17:32 | cait | I wish eythian would stop doing that |
| 17:32 | hi oleonard :) | |
| 17:32 | oleonard | Hi cait |
| 17:32 | cait | I hope it's ok - I tried continuing your work |
| 17:32 | oleonard | cait++ # for Easter holiday work |
| 17:33 | cait | hopefully I made not too many mistakes |
| 17:33 | oleonard | Of course it's okay |
| 17:33 | cait | I thought perhaps we can finish i toff |
| 17:33 | at least for the forms | |
| 17:33 | I also did some normalizations | |
| 17:33 | like call number, card number, URL | |
| 17:33 | that I saw when reading through your changes | |
| 17:42 | * oleonard | was worried that Bug 7928 was going to happen if we redesigned the home page, didn't realize it would happen because of Bug 7781 |
| 17:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7928 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , suggestion, tags numbers missing from mainpage |
| 17:42 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7781 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Enhancements to the main page (first step) | |
| 17:49 | cait | oleonard: yeah :( |
| 17:50 | oleonard: do you have a second to help a non native speaker? :) | |
| 17:50 | oleonard | Yes |
| 17:51 | cait | I am searching for a nice description for the new system preference I propose in bug 7935 |
| 17:51 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Introduce sys pref to control 'browse results' in OPAC |
| 17:52 | cait | i am stuck on describing the feature |
| 17:52 | Disable/enable browsing result pages and ... in OPAC | |
| 17:53 | oleonard | Meaning the new navigation options on the detail page? |
| 17:53 | cait | yep |
| 17:54 | I was thinking | |
| 17:54 | OpacBrowseResults | |
| 17:55 | Disable/enable browsing and paging in results fromn the detail page in OPAC | |
| 17:56 | oleonard | Maybe "Disable/enable browsing and paging search results from the OPAC detail page |
| 17:58 | cait | sounds good to me :) |
| 17:58 | oleonard++ jcamins++ | |
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| 18:01 | cait | hi YoungPublicLibrarian |
| 18:01 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hello everyone. I need help creating a customized report. |
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| 18:03 | edveal | I am trying to hide the "Delete All Items" button for a library and can't quite get it. Anyone out there have any hints? |
| 18:06 | YoungPublicLibrarian | The report is for Overdues that we want to mail out from the library, not use peoples' emails. It needs to show the patrons' information and just the items that are overdue all on a single page. Each page needs to have one patron only. Can anyone help me with this? |
| 18:06 | oleonard | edveal: Looks like you'll have to look for the link text |
| 18:06 | edveal | Ok, good idea. |
| 18:07 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hello cait! Sorry missed your 'hi'! |
| 18:07 | cait | no problem :) |
| 18:08 | YoungPublicLibrarian: I am not sure you can do a paged report like this with the custom reports | |
| 18:08 | jcamins | YoungPublicLibrarian: I think the overdues job handles that. |
| 18:09 | cait | adn you can downlowd a csv with overdues from one of the reports on the circulation patge |
| 18:09 | page | |
| 18:09 | and what jcamins said | |
| 18:09 | jcamins | I guess maybe you could do an incredibly complicated thing with CONCAT, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 18:10 | cait | the overdues job mails you a file with letters for borrowers without email address by default |
| 18:10 | jcamins | And by "wouldn't recommend it," I mean "I'm horrified that I even mentioned the possibility it's such a horribly, terribly, massively BAD idea." |
| 18:12 | cait | wahanui: template param? |
| 18:12 | wahanui | cait: no idea |
| 18:12 | cait | hm |
| 18:13 | wahanui: template params? | |
| 18:13 | wahanui | cait: i haven't a clue |
| 18:13 | cait | @quote search template |
| 18:13 | huginn` | cait: No matching quotes were found. |
| 18:13 | cait | @quote search typo |
| 18:13 | jcamins | @quote search tt |
| 18:13 | huginn` | cait: 2 found: #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} -..." and #82: "<pianohack> nengard: If you were using a..." |
| 18:13 | jcamins: 23 found: #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current...", #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed...", #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blaine...", #122: "<member:oleonard>Everyone is doin' the hot new...", #127: "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its...", #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little...", #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if it (3 more messages) | |
| 18:13 | cait | @quote get 135 |
| 18:13 | huginn` | cait: Quote #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} - without the typo" (added by cait at 07:30 PM, May 20, 2011) |
| 18:13 | jcamins | @quote get 113 |
| 18:13 | huginn` | jcamins: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010) |
| 18:14 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hmm...the current overdues report from the circulation page prints out an excel list for everyone that has overdues. But we want them all to be single page entities... Is this possible at all? We'd like to do that with all of our patrons, not just the ones that don't have emails... |
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| 18:27 | oleonard | Hmmm... Actually Bug 7928 works for me |
| 18:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7928 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , suggestion, tags numbers missing from mainpage |
| 18:31 | cait | hm |
| 18:31 | peraps wizzyrea had nothing waiting? | |
| 18:44 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Well, I've been able to recreate the overdues report. But I don't know enough about SQL to format it so that the information of one patron fits on one single page.... |
| 18:44 | cait | i think you can't really do that with sql |
| 18:44 | sql is to retrieve data - not for formatting | |
| 18:45 | YoungPublicLibrarian | right, but you can format your reports can't you? I mean in my beginners SQL class they talked about creating reports with buttons and fields and things... |
| 18:45 | cait | normally you would get the data and use something else for formatting, like using a... serial letter? (not sure that's the right word) to create the mails from a spreadcheet |
| 18:46 | What Koha can do is create somehting like a search form (runtime parameters) to influence the conditions for a report | |
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| 18:48 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hmm...okay. So if we run the report and get all the overdues in an excel sheet, how would I then get it formatted? Would I have to go through each overdue and create a page manually? Or is there a way in KoHa to do it? You mentioned Serial Letters, but I don't know what that is...sorry. Not trying to be difficult... |
| 18:49 | cait | I was thinking of a feature word and perhaps writer (libreoficce openoffice too) have |
| 18:49 | where you can create letters from a spreadsheet of data | |
| 18:50 | there are also other programs you could use I think | |
| 18:50 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Oh! That would be nice. I will look into that! Thanks! |
| 18:51 | Also, you said that KoHa sends a letter via email to patrons with overdues. Is there a way we can see what that letter looks like? | |
| 18:51 | cait | YoungPublicLibrarian: I only now the german word - not sure how the feature is called in English correctly - so perhaps be careful when searching for serial letters :) |
| 18:51 | you define yourself how it looks like - it's one of the templates from tools > notices | |
| 18:51 | normally ODUE | |
| 18:52 | but you can define different letters | |
| 18:52 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Okay I will look there! Thanks! |
| 18:52 | cait | np :) |
| 18:52 | also look at the manual about overdue letters - there are a lot of differnet options for setting them up | |
| 18:53 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Okay, thanks! You've been a huge help! |
| 18:53 | cait | :) |
| 18:55 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hmm...google isn't coming up with much about making a MS Word letter from MS Excel. But I'll keep looking! lol |
| 18:55 | jwagner | YoungPublicLibrarian, search on mail merge |
| 19:00 | YoungPublicLibrarian | mail merge. Got it, thanks jwagner! |
| 19:01 | cait | oleonard: pending suggestions show up for me |
| 19:02 | oleonard: but I kinda miss the system preference search? or did I imagine it was there before? :( | |
| 19:02 | YoungPublicLibrarian | <item>"<<biblio.title>>" by <<biblio.author>>, <<items.itemcallnumber>>, Barcode: <<items.barcode>> Fine: <fine>GBP</fine></item> in this line here, does anyone know what the difference is in <item> and "<<biblio.title>>"? |
| 19:02 | cait | oleonard: I think it perhaps was only a link always and I have a link |
| 19:03 | <item> </item> (must be one line - be careful!) | |
| 19:03 | aremarkers to output a list of items | |
| 19:03 | so it will output all fields between those markers that you mention in between | |
| 19:03 | oleonard | cait: You are imagining a system preference search |
| 19:03 | cait | << >> are placeholders for data that will be put in when the letter is generated |
| 19:03 | oleonard: yeah - wishful thinking :) | |
| 19:04 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Put a sytem preferences search into the top menu bar (dev systems only)" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/335 |
| 19:04 | oleonard | I use that |
| 19:05 | Since that shows up for everyone you wouldn't want to use it on anything others use | |
| 19:07 | cait | ok |
| 19:07 | I have a problem | |
| 19:07 | I added a new pref to the opac.pref file... but it's refusing to show up in system preferences editor? | |
| 19:07 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Ah! I didn't even see the "</item>" otherwise I could have figured out what it was for! lol Thanks! |
| 19:07 | nengard | can anyone tell me how to use a desktop ftp client with my koha vm? I just need to know how to find the info needed to connect to my koha vm via sftp |
| 19:07 | IP, port, etc etc | |
| 19:08 | and i guess make sure that my user has the right permissions | |
| 19:08 | i need to update the help files for Koha 3.8 and it's too much to do this all on the vm | |
| 19:09 | oleonard | http://shoaibmir.wordpress.com[…]albox-guest-host/ |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | yea, once you have ssh you can sftp |
| 19:09 | or scp | |
| 19:09 | oleonard | nengard: Do you have Koha set up on different ports in your VM? (:80 and :8080 ?) |
| 19:09 | nengard | um ? hehe |
| 19:10 | oleonard | nengard: localhost:80 (OPAC) and localhost:8080 (staff client) ? |
| 19:10 | nengard | to get to it in the browser i type http://kohavm for opac and http://kohavm:80 for staff |
| 19:10 | and i can use the scp command already | |
| 19:10 | just want my hand drag and drop interface :) | |
| 19:10 | handy | |
| 19:10 | not hand | |
| 19:12 | oleonard | |
| 19:12 | wahanui | somebody said oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 19:12 | nengard | sorry i was wrong |
| 19:12 | it's kohavm for the opac and http://kohavm:8080/ for the staff | |
| 19:12 | so yes, i think i have the ports set up | |
| 19:12 | oleonard | nengard: Is that from the browser in your VM? |
| 19:12 | nengard | no that's from the browers on my computer so i can view the vm |
| 19:13 | so i open up virtual box, start up koha (debian) and then go to firefox on the mac and type that in | |
| 19:13 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Sorry cait, I'm absolutely positive you know more than me, so I can't answer you... |
| 19:13 | cait | YoungPublicLibrarian: that's ok - was hoping someone had an idea what's going wrong here :) |
| 19:14 | hah! found it - was missing a : | |
| 19:18 | nengard | got it working |
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| 19:24 | cait | nengard++ :) |
| 19:31 | chris_n | are we trying to deprecate C4::Dates? |
| 19:32 | cait | I think sekjal and libsysguy were discussing this here a few days ago |
| 19:32 | chris_n | any idea what's being used in its place? |
| 19:33 | * chris_n | wonders if it handles dates in ansi-sql format |
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| 19:38 | cait | chris_n: I thinkthe new modules in Koha: |
| 19:39 | chris_n: there is a DateUtils and another related to dates somehow | |
| 19:39 | chris_n | DateTime... maybe |
| 19:39 | * chris_n | looks to see if its in the dep list yet |
| 19:39 | cait | chris_n: and I think a new deependance was introduced to - but I would start looking in the Koha namespace |
| 19:39 | chris_n: thereis a patch pending I think for new dependencies | |
| 19:39 | chris_n | DateTime would be cool |
| 19:40 | it has many format options | |
| 19:40 | cait | they talked about it being cool - but no idea :) |
| 19:40 | but I can find the bug for you | |
| 19:40 | chris_n | I have an old enhancement I have to port to 3.8 which needs to be able to pass dates formated in ansi sql |
| 19:41 | cait | bug 7409 |
| 19:41 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Missing dependencies for Debian package |
| 19:41 | cait | talkign about dates - have you seen the plugin for dates? |
| 19:41 | if you have an enhancement to dates that is displaying a date somewhere in the templates - you want to use that :) | |
| 19:41 | chris_n | no |
| 19:42 | this is not for display | |
| 19:42 | just for querying | |
| 19:42 | cait | ah, and the bug isnot helpful |
| 19:43 | perhaps this: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ug.cgi?id=5549#c5 | |
| 19:43 | huginn` | 04Bug 5549: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Signed Off , Hourly Loans |
| 19:43 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:43 | chris_n | heya rangi |
| 19:44 | rangi do you know if we're using DateTime and deprecating C4::Dates now? | |
| 19:44 | cait | morning :) |
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| 19:45 | sekjal | chris_n: we're moving towards that, yes: DateTime and Koha::Calendar should be able to fully replaced C4::Dates |
| 19:45 | chris_n | great |
| 19:45 | rangi | Thats the plan I think but not for 3.6.x and not totally for 3.8 yet |
| 19:46 | What he said | |
| 19:46 | chris_n | I just needed to know what direction to go with on a local enh I'm porting forward |
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| 19:50 | sha | hi all |
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| 19:53 | wizzyrea | hi sha |
| 19:54 | nengard | bug 7936 has the updated help files for 3.8 - I'll probably finish them up tomorrow or Weds |
| 19:54 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7936 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , general ticket for 3.8 help file updates |
| 19:54 | nengard | just fyi if you want to sign off on something easy |
| 19:54 | I think I finished updating the manual today ? i think | |
| 19:54 | so now i'm copying it to the help files | |
| 19:54 | sha | any configuration tutorial?? |
| 19:54 | nengard | not that i wrote |
| 19:54 | i know usage only | |
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| 19:55 | rangi | Cait++ |
| 19:56 | Bug 7935 | |
| 19:56 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Introduce sys pref to control 'browse results' in OPAC |
| 20:08 | rangi | Ok my stop bbiab |
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| 20:27 | cait | oleonard++ |
| 20:29 | oleonard | More later. Bye #koha |
| 20:29 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | la--- oh bother. |
| 20:31 | cait | ah... I am always too slow for him |
| 20:32 | oh | |
| 20:34 | sekjal | one doesn't need an "exit 0" statement in Perl if all the subsequent lines are declared subroutines, right? |
| 20:35 | rangi | no |
| 20:36 | sekjal | okay, didn't think so. the /svc directory is rife with this |
| 20:36 | as well as my $query = new CGI; | |
| 20:36 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:36 | CGI->new(); | |
| 20:37 | sekjal | my readings on mod_perl suggest that exit() shouldn't be used (for mod_perl, anyway) |
| 20:39 | gmcharlt | sekjal: correct - and arguably, exit() should never be used to get out of routines regardless |
| 20:39 | rangi | exacterly |
| 20:40 | its really lazy | |
| 20:40 | sekjal | gmcharlt: I had thought I'd remembered something like that from my CS classes, but I couldn't find a good citation online to back me up |
| 20:45 | request for signoff: bug 7834. needs to get fixed before 3.8 | |
| 20:45 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7834 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , order search at the top of acq does nothing |
| 20:45 | jcamins_away | sekjal: TAOCP. |
| 20:46 | rangi | ill sign off today, if no one beats me to it |
| 20:46 | sekjal | TAOCP? |
| 20:46 | thanks, rangi | |
| 20:46 | gmcharlt | sekjal: re citation, I'm pretty sure it's in PBP |
| 20:47 | sekjal | gmcharlt: ah. I don't have my copy with me in the office, since I'm not officially doing Perl anymore |
| 20:48 | cait | sekjal: I found to other evil bugs I marked blocker - not patches yet |
| 20:48 | to = 2 | |
| 20:49 | jcamins_away | The Art of Computer Programming. |
| 20:49 | Knuth's magisterial tomes of wisdom. | |
| 20:49 | sekjal | cait: thanks for keeping on top of it. my goal is for us to get all the blockers and criticals taken care of before release time, and as many majors as possible, too |
| 20:49 | * jcamins_away | got half-way through number two. |
| 20:49 | cait | I fully agree with these goals |
| 20:50 | and I would like to see some clean up of the logs | |
| 20:50 | tryin to work on that... but ew. not easy. | |
| 20:50 | for me at least :) | |
| 20:51 | Space_Librarian | jcamins_away - Tomes is the right word |
| 20:51 | * jcamins_away | heads out for a reception at which TAOCP will probably not come up. |
| 20:52 | sekjal | time for me to pack up, as well... got to get across the river for Game Night (and route 9 is a bear this time of day) |
| 20:52 | cheers, #koha! | |
| 20:53 | rangi | ok who wants to see something pointless and kinda silly? |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | oh me me pick me |
| 20:53 | * Space_Librarian | puts up hand |
| 20:56 | rangi | http://ranginui.github.com/git-achievements/ |
| 20:56 | cjh | awesome |
| 20:56 | cait | lol |
| 20:57 | rangi | https://github.com/icefox/git-achievements you can make your own pretty easily |
| 20:57 | but this bit | |
| 20:57 | git config --global achievement.upload "true" | |
| 20:58 | i didnt do it global, and changed the code to only look for local, then i manually do git achievements -p to push it | |
| 20:58 | Space_Librarian | nice! :) |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | ohhh |
| 20:59 | * wizzyrea | would add that to the aliases :P |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | that is silly fun. |
| 21:05 | rangi | yup |
| 21:05 | the bit i like is seeing the commands i use a lot | |
| 21:05 | only started last night | |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 21:05 | rangi | bz is the winner so far |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | oh bz. we can never be mad at you |
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| 21:21 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hello again everyone! |
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| 21:24 | cait | hi again YoungPublicLibrarian |
| 21:25 | eythian | hi |
| 21:25 | wahanui | niihau, eythian |
| 21:26 | cait | hi eythian |
| 21:26 | you should fix your chat thing | |
| 21:26 | you filled the logs appearing and disappearing over the weekend :) | |
| 21:26 | eythian | I have, I had a VPN connection that was going spazzy and breaking my connection a lot. |
| 21:26 | cait | made me feel less lonely... but perhaps you still want to check |
| 21:26 | ah :) | |
| 21:27 | eythian | at least, that's what I assume was happening |
| 21:39 | YoungPublicLibrarian | okay, anyone good at making reports? I'm trying to get the report to give me only overdues that are 7 days overdue. Nothing under or over... |
| 21:40 | Space_Librarian | have you looked at the reports library? |
| 21:41 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library | |
| 21:42 | specifically http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Overdue_materials | |
| 21:47 | YoungPublicLibrarian | yep, but all it has is one report that allows you to input a number of days. But when you do it gives you anything over that specified number of days. It is the Overdues w/ Contact Info report. I need a report that allows you to input a number and have it give you overdues for that specific number of days and nothing else. |
| 21:48 | * Space_Librarian | checks her report library |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | reports library? |
| 21:49 | wahanui | i guess reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 21:49 | eythian | it would be pretty easy to adapt I expect |
| 21:49 | Space_Librarian | It is. |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea: see the link above, hon. :p | |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | sorry sorry |
| 21:49 | Space_Librarian | heh |
| 21:49 | eythian | in fact, change the '>' to '=' will probably do it. |
| 21:50 | Space_Librarian | YoungPublicLibrarian it was pretty straight forward to get a specific overdue days |
| 21:50 | what eythian said, actually. | |
| 21:50 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Ah okay! I've only had one class in SQL and that was a while ago...Thanks! |
| 21:51 | ethian, in which report? The Overdues Materials report that was linked or the Overdues w/ Contact Info that I was talking about? | |
| 21:52 | Space_Librarian | YoungPublicLibrarian any of them... |
| 21:54 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Okay, so in the Overdues /w Contact Info, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ibrary#Overdues_w.2F_Contact_Info, I would change the '>=' in the WHERE statement to '=' correct? |
| 22:06 | Space_Librarian | yep |
| 22:16 | YoungPublicLibrarian | alright! Thanks! Now, is there a way to say two specific number (ex. '7' and '21' days)? or is that asking too much :)? |
| 22:17 | Space_Librarian | if you find a date range command in one of the other reports, copy that across. |
| 22:18 | rangi | WHERE something = something AND something = somethingelse |
| 22:18 | YoungPublicLibrarian | a range would give me everything in between though wouldn't it? I want just overdues for 7 days and overdues for 21 days... |
| 22:18 | rangi | yep, the above is the exact one |
| 22:18 | sorry | |
| 22:19 | AND should be OR | |
| 22:19 | it can't be both at once :) | |
| 22:19 | you might want to wrap it in ( ) | |
| 22:19 | its just like math | |
| 22:19 | YoungPublicLibrarian | ah, okay. Thanks! You guys are awesome! |
| 22:19 | rangi | brackets evaluate first |
| 22:19 | WHERE (something = soething OR something=somethingelse) AND someotherthing = cheese | |
| 22:20 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Okay, this: WHERE issues.branchcode = <<Branch Code>> AND (TO_DAYS(curdate())-TO_DAYS( date_due)) = (<<Days overdue>> OR = <<Days overdue>>) didn't work...I did it wrong didn't I? |
| 22:21 | * rangi | has had coffee, an easter egg and a blueberry muffin brought to his desk today .. not a bad day back at work after a 4 day weekend |
| 22:22 | rangi | yeah it wont |
| 22:22 | it needs to be | |
| 22:23 | Space_Librarian | rangi++ |
| 22:23 | rangi | ((TO_DAYS(curdate())-TO_DAYS( date_due)) = <<Days overdue>> OR (TO_DAYS(curdate())-TO_DAYS( date_due)) = <<Days overdue2>>) |
| 22:23 | (ull want 2 variable so you can choose to different dates) | |
| 22:24 | you could do it with an IN too | |
| 22:25 | (TO_DAYS(curdate())-TO_DAYS( date_due) IN (<<Days overdue>>,<<Days overdue2>>) | |
| 22:25 | * rangi | hopes he is helping not confusing |
| 22:26 | YoungPublicLibrarian | lol, okay rangi, the second one is a bit confusing...but the first one I'll try to get to work... |
| 22:31 | Okay, that worked! Thank you so much rangi! | |
| 22:33 | rangi | cool |
| 22:33 | liw | rangi << 32 |
| 22:33 | (how big are karma counters? I hope that didn't overflow) | |
| 22:33 | rangi | heh |
| 22:34 | @karma | |
| 22:34 | huginn` | rangi: Highest karma: "rangi" (543), "oleonard" (473), and "wizzyrea" (320). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-73), and "-" (-44). You (rangi) are ranked 1 out of 2010. |
| 22:34 | rangi | karma for rangi |
| 22:34 | wahanui | rangi has karma of 301 |
| 22:34 | Space_Librarian | awesome |
| 22:34 | rangi | 2 counters, just for dr |
| 22:34 | or something :) | |
| 22:37 | cait | rangi++ :) |
| 22:38 | YoungPublicLibrarian | I have another question if I haven't used up my daily quota :/ |
| 22:38 | Space_Librarian | there's a quota? |
| 22:43 | YoungPublicLibrarian | lol, just curious, since my questions seem to be a bit in-depth... |
| 22:44 | Space_Librarian | unless you ask, you won't learn |
| 22:45 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Okay...is anyone familiar with the mail merge feature of MS Word? I'm trying to use it in conjunction with the csv files downloaded from the report I just created... |
| 22:46 | Space_Librarian | goodness. That was a long time ago. |
| 22:47 | most of these guys use libreoffice or open office though... | |
| 22:49 | rangi | yeah, havent touched word since hmm 1996 |
| 22:51 | ibeardslee | lucky you |
| 22:53 | Space_Librarian | lol |
| 22:55 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hm...well, my library still uses MS Word... |
| 22:57 | * bag | wants to see rangi on a surf board… |
| 22:57 | rangi | heh, its been a long long time |
| 22:57 | 91 | |
| 22:57 | * bag | expects that he'll say "yeah, havent touched word since hmm 1996" |
| 22:57 | bag | s/word/surfboard |
| 22:58 | rangi | 91 :) |
| 22:58 | but i never was any good | |
| 23:02 | bag | me either |
| 23:02 | I'm a one knee surfer | |
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| 23:55 | bg | hey papa |
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