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| 00:06 | ronald | Hello #koha |
| 00:07 | rangi | hi ronald |
| 00:08 | ronald | hiya rangi :) |
| 00:14 | * mtj | waves to ronald :) |
| 00:16 | ronald | ronald waves back to mtj : ) |
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| 00:43 | Topic for #koha is now "Gullible" is not in the dictionary. | |
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| 01:26 | mtj | hi #koha, ive a question about setting up memcache with Koha |
| 01:27 | could anyone point me to some recent doco re: memcache setup? | |
| 01:29 | bag | memcached? |
| 01:29 | wahanui | memcached is probably running, but I dunno it Koha uses it. |
| 01:29 | bag | memcache? |
| 01:29 | sorry mtj I don't know of any documentation | |
| 01:29 | I usually just apt-get and then stop and restart it ;) | |
| 01:30 | mtj | so, update the memcached bit in your koha-conf.xml file... |
| 01:31 | ... and add some new $ENV variable in apache too? | |
| 01:36 | hmm, any example for these 2 variables in koha-conf.xml ? | |
| 01:37 | <memcached_servers></memcached_servers> | |
| 01:37 | <memcached_namespace></memcached_namespace> | |
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| 01:38 | mtj | i think ill go with .. |
| 01:38 | <memcached_servers>127.0.0.1:1121</memcached_servers> | |
| 01:38 | libsysguy | if the bugs list is the QA contact for a bug…what does that mean |
| 01:38 | mtj | <memcached_namespace>koha</memcached_namespace> |
| 01:39 | libsysguy | mtj is that for something old? |
| 01:39 | I thought that config got moved into koha-http.conf | |
| 01:40 | mtj | the qa contact is some email addy, always |
| 01:40 | * libsysguy | is sorry to butt in |
| 01:40 | libsysguy | bug 5339 |
| 01:40 | wahanui | bug 5339 is looking for a second sign off :) |
| 01:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Parcel closing in acq |
| 01:40 | libsysguy | wahanui forget bug 5339 |
| 01:40 | wahanui | libsysguy: I forgot bug 5339 |
| 01:46 | mtj | hmm, looks like the apache ENV stuff for memcache is happening for 3.8 |
| 01:46 | libsysguy | yeah thats what it is…sorry im running master and just set it up the other day |
| 01:46 | mtj | 6193 |
| 01:46 | but the bugs status incorrectly says 'Status: Pushed to Stable' ? | |
| 01:47 | libsysguy | bug 6193 |
| 01:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, P3, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables |
| 01:47 | rangi | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ngtons-Island-Bay |
| 01:47 | mtj | 'Version: rel_3_8' |
| 01:47 | rangi | yeah its in ENV variables now |
| 01:48 | check C4/Context | |
| 01:48 | * libsysguy | thinks that rangi is really the physical form of bugzilla |
| 01:49 | mtj | # Check if there are memcached servers set |
| 01:49 | 83 $servers = $ENV{'MEMCACHED_SERVERS'}; | |
| 01:50 | rangi | yup :) |
| 01:50 | libsysguy | random question…if you wanted to change a timestamp that was update on change…how would you go about that? |
| 01:50 | rangi | SetEnv MEMCACHED_SERVERS "127.0.0.1:11211" |
| 01:50 | SetEnv MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE "KOHA" | |
| 01:50 | like that in your conf | |
| 01:50 | it has the sideffect | |
| 01:51 | you can run memcached for just the opac if you wanted | |
| 01:51 | mtj | merci |
| 01:51 | rangi | or even |
| 01:51 | using <Location> | |
| 01:51 | blocks .. part of the opac/staff side | |
| 01:52 | since if the env variable is not set, it wont use memcached, .. i havent test that at all, but it should work | |
| 01:53 | mtj | aah yeah, nice :) |
| 01:55 | rangi | libsysguy: update should do it, i think if you explicity update it it will stick |
| 01:55 | mtj | ooh, its working sweet! |
| 01:55 | rangi | switch on sessions |
| 01:55 | in sysprefs | |
| 01:55 | makes the db work a lot less | |
| 01:56 | * mtj | watches the memcached.log... |
| 01:57 | libsysguy | thanks rangi, will try |
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| 02:47 | Space_Librarian | o/ |
| 02:47 | rangi | hiya Space_Librarian |
| 02:47 | Space_Librarian | hey. |
| 02:50 | rangi, our articles framework... would it be possible to submit it to be included in a future version of Koha for other special libraries to use and tweak? | |
| 02:51 | rangi | yes :) |
| 02:51 | 2 ways to do it | |
| 02:51 | one would be to make a wiki page, like the sql reports and upload and link the file there | |
| 02:53 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks | |
| 02:53 | or you could make a patch and put it in the sample data | |
| 02:53 | it might be nicer/easier to have a page on the wiki | |
| 02:53 | * Space_Librarian | ponders this... |
| 02:53 | rangi | and we could link to the page on the frameworks page, like we do for the sql reports |
| 02:54 | will make it easy for others to add frameworks too | |
| 02:54 | * Space_Librarian | nods |
| 02:54 | exports framework to sql | |
| 02:55 | Space_Librarian | or should I try something else? |
| 02:55 | Argh. Editing wiki pages is evil | |
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| 02:57 | rangi | i think sql is the best option |
| 03:02 | Space_Librarian | This is one very, very long sql file. What should I be bracketing it with? Or should I just put it on the wiki and somebody could help me clean it up...? |
| 03:03 | rangi | id just load it as a file, not cut and paste it in |
| 03:03 | eythian | Oh hey, oocalc will open the XML format nicely too |
| 03:03 | rangi | Space_Librarian: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Special:Upload |
| 03:04 | once you upload it, you can just put a link to it on that other page | |
| 03:04 | does that make sense? | |
| 03:06 | Space_Librarian | perfectly. It just won't let me upload a .txt file |
| 03:07 | rangi | can you rename it to .sql |
| 03:07 | > | |
| 03:07 | ? even | |
| 03:08 | Space_Librarian | I've renamed it to .sql - "Permitted file types: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, odt, pdf, csv, mrc" |
| 03:08 | rangi | ahh |
| 03:08 | how annoying | |
| 03:08 | Space_Librarian | yup |
| 03:08 | rangi | ill ask gmcharlt to allow .sql too |
| 03:08 | Space_Librarian | cool |
| 03:09 | Once that's done, I'll add it | |
| 03:09 | rangi | sweet |
| 03:13 | gmcharlt | Space_Librarian: give it a try now |
| 03:14 | rangi | gmcharlt++ |
| 03:21 | Space_Librarian | gmcharlt++ |
| 03:21 | * Space_Librarian | links stuff through now |
| 03:21 | rangi | sweeet |
| 03:25 | Space_Librarian | Boom. http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks |
| 03:25 | How's that? | |
| 03:32 | rangi | I like it! |
| 03:35 | Space_Librarian | I must just go through and take a couple of our pre-pops out... |
| 03:35 | (whoops) | |
| 03:38 | done. All clean and ready to roll. | |
| 03:39 | rangi | sweet |
| 03:43 | eythian | Space_Librarian: what is 'WAC'? |
| 03:45 | Space_Librarian | Wellington Accountants. I've cleaned it out of the file I've just uploaded to the wiki. |
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| 03:57 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
| 04:20 | bag | heya Amit_Gupta |
| 04:30 | rangi | Space_Librarian: https://twitter.com/#!/nengard[…]86671213635059714 famous already |
| 04:30 | Space_Librarian | :D |
| 04:31 | Milton and I are stoked. | |
| 04:32 | I could actually put our coursework paper framework up too... | |
| 04:32 | rangi | cant hurt :) |
| 04:32 | Space_Librarian | I wonder if that would be used |
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| 04:48 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
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| 05:12 | Amit_Gupta | can we reorder marc subfield while creating marc record |
| 05:12 | heya cait | |
| 05:12 | Space_Librarian | Amit_Gupta we do |
| 05:13 | the little arrows next to the subfields can be moved up and down. | |
| 05:13 | cait | I don't think you can change the order in the frameworks |
| 05:14 | but what Space_Librarian said :) | |
| 05:14 | Space_Librarian | So within a marc field, we have b, a, c as an order, for example |
| 05:19 | Amit_Gupta | Heya Space_librarian |
| 05:19 | wahanui | rumour has it Space_librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know |
| 05:19 | Amit_Gupta | in item tag 952 |
| 05:19 | i want to reorder subfield | |
| 05:19 | while exporting | |
| 05:20 | eythian | why? |
| 05:20 | Space_Librarian | what eythian said. |
| 05:22 | the only time we change subfields is in 260, we put b before a... but why in 952? | |
| 05:29 | cait | Space_Librarian: I think the order in 952 is not optimal always - I had libraries asking about that |
| 05:29 | for entering the data | |
| 05:30 | Space_Librarian | It's hidden in our default. |
| 05:30 | cait | 952? |
| 05:30 | wahanui | 952 is probably the field used for items in Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 05:30 | * Space_Librarian | goes to look for 952 |
| 05:30 | cait | you can hide fields you don't use |
| 05:30 | but not change the order | |
| 05:30 | Amit_Gupta: it will not work afaik - no reordering | |
| 05:31 | Space_Librarian | We do most of that in the item editing, rather than the marc record |
| 05:31 | that's probably why | |
| 05:33 | Amit_Gupta | ok |
| 05:34 | Space_Librarian | Right. time to sign off for the evening. Toodle pip, and I'll see ya'll tomorrow. :) |
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| 05:54 | cait | morning alex_a |
| 05:56 | alex_a | morning cait |
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| 06:10 | kmkale | Why gullible? |
| 06:11 | cait | ask Brooke |
| 06:13 | kmkale | Aahh |
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| 06:37 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:37 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
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| 06:38 | marcelr | hi koha |
| 06:48 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 06:49 | marcelr | hi magnuse |
| 06:49 | magnuse | hiya marcelr |
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| 06:53 | magnuse | hiya julian_m |
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| 06:54 | julian_m | hello magnuse |
| 06:54 | magnuse | cait++ for signing off on 7850 |
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| 06:56 | magnuse | bonjour paul_p |
| 06:56 | paul_p | good morning magnuse & all |
| 06:56 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:56 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:57 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 06:57 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 14.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:57 | magnuse | heh |
| 06:58 | paul_p | lol: adrien just said : "-4°C in norway, and +14 in Marseille... and he stays in Bodo ... when you don't know that's understandable, but when you know..." |
| 06:59 | magnuse | lol! |
| 06:59 | i know, i must be stupid or crazy :-) | |
| 06:59 | or both... | |
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| 07:00 | magnuse | @wunder oslo, norway |
| 07:00 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Holter, Holter, Norway is 0.9°C (8:59 AM CEST on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:01 | magnuse | we have been talking about moving further south, so let's see what happens... |
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| 07:06 | francharb | hello #koha |
| 07:07 | clrh | bonjour |
| 07:07 | paul_p | FSF announced GPL V4 yesterday :D :D |
| 07:07 | clrh | oups hello |
| 07:12 | Amit_Gupta joined #koha | |
| 07:19 | * magnuse | wanders over to fsf.org, but can't see anything ;-) |
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| 07:30 | rangi | evening |
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| 07:54 | hdl1 | Amit_Gupta: |
| 07:56 | rangi | hdl1: i tried to read a story from Petites Histoires du Pere Castor to Kahu tonight |
| 07:56 | my pronounciation was probably really really bad | |
| 07:56 | kf | rangi: bet not worse than mine :) |
| 07:58 | rangi | maybe i will bring it to kohacon and record french speakers reading it :) |
| 08:01 | asaurat | père Castoooor :D |
| 08:04 | clrh | jcamins_away: hello sorry for the gdoc, I think it is better now |
| 08:07 | kf | hi asaurat and clrh :) |
| 08:08 | * magnuse | waves |
| 08:08 | asaurat | hi! :) |
| 08:08 | magnuse | so how many days do people get off from work this week? |
| 08:08 | * rangi | wonders if the whole of biblibre will come to scotland |
| 08:08 | rangi | just one this week |
| 08:08 | and one next week for me | |
| 08:08 | (friday and monday) | |
| 08:08 | magnuse | ah |
| 08:09 | in norway the norm is half of wednesday off + thursday + friday + monday | |
| 08:09 | * kf | moves to norway |
| 08:10 | magnuse | unless you are self-employed, of course |
| 08:10 | good thing about easter: no holidays that get eaten by weekends! | |
| 08:12 | rangi | ywp |
| 08:12 | yep | |
| 08:13 | we get the 25th off too | |
| 08:13 | anzac day | |
| 08:13 | magnuse | ah |
| 08:13 | we miss out on that one, sadly... | |
| 08:15 | i had a play with Devel::Cover the other day, but i'm not sure it tells us anything we don't know yet? http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/coverage/ | |
| 08:15 | rangi | ahh you need to get your army slaughtered by a british generals incompetence to get that holiday |
| 08:15 | * magnuse | should dig deeper into jenkins |
| 08:15 | rangi | magnuse: yeah jenkins runs devel::cover |
| 08:15 | well, since i told it to it does | |
| 08:16 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A[…]allipoli_campaign | |
| 08:16 | magnuse | rangi: ah, guess we'll pass on the 25th then... |
| 08:16 | * magnuse | knows that from a pogues song |
| 08:17 | magnuse | "And the band played Waltzing Mathilda" - probably not a pogues original |
| 08:18 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A[…]_Waltzing_Matilda | |
| 08:18 | rangi | ah yep |
| 08:21 | the somme was actually worse for NZ | |
| 08:21 | http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/wa[…]-somme-experience | |
| 08:22 | and then Passchendale even worse | |
| 08:22 | magnuse | :-( |
| 08:28 | rangi | https://twitter.com/#!/mrkrazy[…]030045184/photo/1 |
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| 08:42 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 109.189.7.19 pasted "here's the full error" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/328 |
| 08:44 | rangi | yep |
| 08:44 | theres a fix for that | |
| 08:44 | sitting in passed qa | |
| 08:44 | (its the blocker one there) | |
| 08:45 | bug 7821 | |
| 08:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7821 blocker, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , XSLT systempreference multi-language support |
| 08:48 | magnuse | rangi: cool, thanks |
| 08:48 | always nice when things are already fixed :-) | |
| 08:48 | ultrasound-time! | |
| 08:49 | rangi | :) |
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| 09:32 | paul_p | magnus_away i'm on the way to push the fix for bug 7821 |
| 09:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7821 blocker, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , XSLT systempreference multi-language support |
| 09:35 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7821 - fix C4::Templates::_current_language <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]423785cafc378213c> | |
| 09:42 | rangi | paul_p: want to know why you need the () |
| 09:42 | C4::Templates is not an exporter | |
| 09:43 | its base class is Class::Accessor | |
| 09:43 | its an object, you shouldnt be calling functions in it, they are methods and should be accessed via the object | |
| 09:46 | paul_p | rangi but why is it working well when you display, for example, detail.pl ? |
| 09:46 | rangi | because detail.pl doesnt use XSLT |
| 09:47 | * slef | cranks up patches2bugs |
| 09:47 | rangi | the real way to call it would be $template->_current_language .. but even that is wrong the _ denotes its an internal function, shouldnt be called outside C4::Templates |
| 09:49 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #691 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #689 3 days 11 hr ago) |
| 09:49 | rangi | the object has accessors |
| 09:49 | if you want to know the lang | |
| 09:49 | $template->lang(); | |
| 09:50 | paul_p | (why do you say detail.pl doesn't use XSLT ? -> line 88) |
| 09:50 | rangi so we should make a followup and use ->lang() instead of the internal sub ? | |
| 09:51 | rangi | it doesnt call it |
| 09:52 | the xslt file doesnt exist for details .. | |
| 09:52 | we should check the accessor has the right value, then kill that internal sub | |
| 09:52 | it came across from C4::Output .. and its the last thing that isnt OO about it, be good to get rid of it | |
| 09:53 | but not urgent | |
| 09:53 | this will stop the 47 tests failing :) | |
| 09:57 | &foo; # foo() get current args, like foo(@_) !! | |
| 09:57 | foo;# like foo() IFF sub foo predeclared, else "foo" | |
| 09:58 | (thats why it fails, because it's not predeclared by EXPORTER) | |
| 09:58 | kf | wow |
| 09:59 | * kf | needs to resume her perl reading |
| 09:59 | kf | slef: should we put a note for call for papers on the kc.org start page? so it ends up in rss feeds? |
| 09:59 | rangi | and then it would be different again with AUTOLOAD |
| 10:00 | as always with perl, lots of ways to do it :) | |
| 10:01 | slef | kf: yes. Does http://koha-community.org/koha[…]or-papers-opened/ not work? |
| 10:02 | kf | ah, that's from the calendar? |
| 10:02 | slef: sorry, I missed that! | |
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| 10:06 | slef | kf: I don't know if it's in the feed |
| 10:07 | kf | me neither |
| 10:07 | it is | |
| 10:08 | slef: so all good | |
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| 10:19 | rangi | asaurat: you found the cause of that error eh? bug 7786 |
| 10:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Adding More Lists to the Add-to combo of staff search results |
| 10:22 | asaurat | rangi: do you mean bug 7868 ? |
| 10:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7868 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Warnings in logs for search.pl |
| 10:22 | asaurat | for this one I've found something, yes |
| 10:22 | rangi | yep, bug 7786 caused it |
| 10:22 | asaurat | oh ok |
| 10:23 | indeed | |
| 10:23 | rangi | hmm do you think a talk at the hackfest about Template::Toolkit might be good? |
| 10:23 | asaurat | we have to check if addbarshelvesloop.size is defined |
| 10:23 | kf | yep |
| 10:25 | yep for the TT talk | |
| 10:25 | asaurat | might be useful, yep |
| 10:26 | rangi | i could talk about writing plugins, and how its essentially perl, so it does things like warnings |
| 10:26 | kf | :) |
| 10:26 | rangi | i guess i should go submit that |
| 10:27 | kf | rangi++ :) |
| 10:31 | rangi | i hope paul_p talks about the sandboxes |
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| 10:33 | kmkale | I hope there is more about solr |
| 10:34 | kf | asaurat++ for fixing bugs! |
| 10:34 | rangi | we should do battledecks :) |
| 10:35 | kmkale | Rangi do you know of a way to search over a range of barcodes in zebra? Barcodes are alphanumeric. |
| 10:35 | marcelr | asaurat? |
| 10:35 | wahanui | asaurat is probably 161 |
| 10:36 | asaurat | :D |
| 10:36 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 10:36 | Project Koha_master build #691: FIXED in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/691/ | |
| 10:36 | marcelr | asaurat: are you fixing 7786 error? |
| 10:36 | jenkins_koha | dpavlin: Bug 7821 - fix C4::Templates::_current_language |
| 10:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7821 blocker, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , XSLT systempreference multi-language support |
| 10:37 | rangi | kmkale: i think you would need an index on them and then do a > and < type search |
| 10:37 | have never tried tho | |
| 10:37 | because i can do it easier in sql | |
| 10:37 | asaurat | marcelr: yes, just added a tiny check |
| 10:37 | marcelr | ok should i sign off? |
| 10:38 | followup on 7786? | |
| 10:38 | asaurat | no I had already created a new bug, didn't know about this 7786 |
| 10:38 | bug 7868 | |
| 10:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7868 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , Warnings in logs for search.pl |
| 10:38 | marcelr | ok i look there |
| 10:38 | change the name? | |
| 10:38 | wahanui | marcelr: that doesn't look right |
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| 10:38 | kmkale | rangi tried bc, ge and bc, le didn't work. |
| 10:39 | asaurat | and it needs sign off, yes =) |
| 10:39 | rangi | asaurat: what i do, is git blame to find the commit then that commit message has the bug number |
| 10:40 | when i remember to do that :) | |
| 10:40 | marcelr | asaurat: we should do this too in opac template? |
| 10:40 | asaurat | oh yes, I don't use this often, can be useful |
| 10:41 | marcelr: didn't notice this behaviour in OPAC, no | |
| 10:41 | marcelr | ok will look at it |
| 10:50 | asaurat: could you check my amendment; do you agree? | |
| 10:50 | asaurat: if there are no private shelves, there can be more than 10 public shelves | |
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| 11:30 | marcelr | asaurat? |
| 11:30 | wahanui | rumour has it asaurat is 161 |
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| 11:48 | slef | mailed Draft sponsorship requests to kohacon12volunteers |
| 11:49 | cait-m | test |
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| 12:14 | Topic for #koha is now 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 and 3.2.11 Now Available || Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org || Koha Community Official IRC Channel || Paste - paste.koha-community.org | |
| 12:14 | oleonard | I like April 1 falling on a Sunday. |
| 12:17 | kf | :) |
| 12:17 | hey owen :) | |
| 12:17 | oleonard | Hi |
| 12:17 | slef | oleonard: yeah. Much less annoying. I just spent the day mostly offline. |
| 12:18 | oleonard | kf++ # for bug-wrangling |
| 12:19 | kf | oh thx :) |
| 12:19 | was thinking of you when I closed the amazon one :) | |
| 12:19 | oleonard | Good choice |
| 12:19 | kf | hm |
| 12:20 | perl5lib path for a standard install? | |
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| 12:23 | jcamins_away | PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib? |
| 12:28 | kf | ok |
| 12:28 | then it looks right, thx jcamins_away :) | |
| 12:40 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 12:42 | * magnuse | waves |
| 12:43 | kf | hi gmcharlt and magnuse :) |
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| 12:54 | * magnuse | takes a shot at tackling bug 7445 |
| 12:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist" |
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| 12:58 | NateC | Morning Ruth! |
| 12:58 | morning #Koha! | |
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| 12:59 | kf | hi NateC and talljoy |
| 12:59 | talljoy | hi kf!! |
| 13:00 | NateC | Hi kf :) |
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| 13:01 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 13:01 | magnuse | Oak |
| 13:01 | Oak | magnuse |
| 13:01 | magnuse | yay! |
| 13:01 | Oak | :) |
| 13:01 | magnuse | hiya talljoy and NateC |
| 13:03 | talljoy | hey magnuse! |
| 13:03 | wahanui | i guess magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 13:03 | talljoy | heh |
| 13:03 | magnuse | heh |
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| 13:05 | NateC | Hi magnuse! |
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| 13:15 | kmkale | Namaskaar #koha |
| 13:16 | Oak | if I backup /var/lib/mysql/kohadb/*.frm then is it of any use? |
| 13:17 | I now know the /var/spool/koha/kohadb folder... and the tar.gz and sql.gz files are the proper backup. but still just wondering if I can use the *.frm files... | |
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| 13:32 | kmkale | Oak: not if you are using innodb |
| 13:33 | which is probably what you are using. | |
| 13:33 | Oak | i'll only ask silly questions for one or two months... after that I'll start asking average, non-silly questions. |
| 13:34 | kf | Oak: I don't have an snwer for your question - it seems very non-silly to me :) |
| 13:34 | kmkale | for innodb you need the ibdata* and ib_logfile* files too |
| 13:34 | Oak | thank you! |
| 13:34 | i'll annoy you when you are cait | |
| 13:35 | :) | |
| 13:35 | i can't afford to annoy kf! | |
| 13:35 | of kf_mtg | |
| 13:35 | or* | |
| 13:36 | fabio_t | Hi koha folks... I have an issue. I have deleted any bibliographic record (items included) from Koha backend (via items batch deletion and revert imported records tools) and ran koha-rebuild-zebra -f. If I search for records, none is returned (as expected) BUT some records are still in biblio database table. How could I get rid of them in a safe way? By truncating or deleting the table? Same applies to authorities and auth_header table; items table is empty t |
| 13:36 | hough. Thanks a lot! | |
| 13:39 | kmkale | fabio_t: delete all from biblio and biblioitems tables |
| 13:40 | fabio_t | thanks kmkale |
| 13:40 | is it safe for auth_header table too? | |
| 13:41 | magnuse | i forget - should patches still be sent to the mailinglist? |
| 13:41 | oleonard | New patches yes, not signoffs |
| 13:41 | magnuse | thanks oleonard |
| 13:44 | kf | ok... off to dentist :( |
| 13:44 | * magnuse | adds another patch that needs signoff to the queue, making the total number 92 |
| 13:44 | magnuse | ooh, good luck kf |
| 13:44 | francharb | good luck kf |
| 13:45 | ahah | |
| 13:45 | * wizzyrea | goes to look at the ones needing signoff |
| 13:45 | also waves good morning | |
| 13:45 | * magnuse | waves to wizzyrea |
| 13:46 | fabio_t | hi there wizzyrea |
| 13:46 | kf | thx... |
| 13:46 | * kf | waves and heads out |
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| 13:50 | fabio_t | is it safe to run a "delete from auth_header" over koha's database? |
| 13:52 | I have some authorities records not showing in Koha backend and I don't know how to safely delete them (I've already ran koha-rebuild-zebra -f but with no success, they still appears in db) | |
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| 14:01 | wizzyrea | lol @ xkcd today - this is my life. http://xkcd.com/1037/ |
| 14:01 | * francharb | waves #koha |
| 14:01 | francharb | I'm looking into bugzilla but I can't find this bug |
| 14:02 | I think it's weird that no one reported it yet | |
| 14:02 | In the authority framework | |
| 14:02 | oleonard | wizzyrea: You know you see a different comic than people in different places? |
| 14:02 | francharb | if you have an optional field with a mandatory subfield |
| 14:03 | oleonard | francharb: Bug 7725? |
| 14:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7725 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Marking a subfield mandatory makes the entire field mandatory |
| 14:03 | francharb | you can't add the authority if you don't put something in the mandatory subfiled |
| 14:03 | wizzyrea | lolwut |
| 14:03 | francharb | ahah |
| 14:04 | exactly | |
| 14:04 | oleonard, i sorted by component and was checkiing the cataloging bugs | |
| 14:04 | oleonard | wizzyrea: http://www.reddit.com/r/comics[…]pril_fools_comic/ |
| 14:05 | francharb | thanks oleonard ! |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | ha that's awesome |
| 14:05 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Although I don't see Kansas listed |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | just "midwest" |
| 14:05 | is what mine said. | |
| 14:06 | oleonard | Poor Kansas, lumped together with "all of tornado country" |
| 14:07 | * wizzyrea | doesn't care so much - shoulda just said "flyover country" |
| 14:07 | oleonard | Hmmm... the one listed on that page for Ohio isn't the one I get |
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| 14:32 | fabio_t | kmkale++ |
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| 14:46 | kmkale | huh what did i do? |
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| 15:01 | libsysguy | o/ |
| 15:01 | So I just saw paul_p's message to the devel list | |
| 15:02 | and had an idea, but wanted to run it here before I sounded retarded via email :p | |
| 15:02 | paul_p | libsysguy which on ? because I write a lot of mails to koha-devel ;-) |
| 15:02 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 15:02 | paul_p | s/on/one/ |
| 15:02 | libsysguy | the one about the git repo size |
| 15:02 | paul_p | (I was just reviving someone else idea ;-) ) |
| 15:03 | libsysguy | paul_p what about having a koha core install, then module installs for acq, circ, cataloging, etc |
| 15:04 | cait | hm I am not sure that will work well - because they modules are integrated |
| 15:04 | or they should be for an ils :) | |
| 15:04 | paul_p | libsysguy I don't see the link to git repo size ? |
| 15:04 | cait | why is the repo size such a problem? |
| 15:04 | libsysguy | each module would have its own repo paul_p |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | fragmenting the codebase across multiple repositories is not worth it IMO |
| 15:04 | cait | you clone it once, then you are ok, and bandwitdh is not really much of a problem nowadays? |
| 15:04 | * libsysguy | is glad I brought this up on here first them :p |
| 15:04 | paul_p | cait : when someone want to clone, it's large. |
| 15:04 | cait | yes, but it#s a one time thing |
| 15:05 | paul_p | gmcharlt & cait = feel free to jump in the discussion on koha-devel ! I have no strong opinion here, so... |
| 15:05 | libsysguy | my thought was what if your library doesn't use acq, or doesn't circulate |
| 15:05 | jcamins | I think the loss of history is a bigger problem than anything else. |
| 15:05 | libsysguy: don't use git. | |
| 15:05 | libsysguy | you could really cut down on some space |
| 15:05 | jcamins | libsysguy: or, rather, use git for development, but not, for goodness sake, in production. |
| 15:05 | cait | libsysguy: I think those parts are not the big problem |
| 15:05 | libsysguy | jcamins has a point |
| 15:06 | paul_p | cait : bandwith is not a problem for ppl from germany (or france, or US), but for some ppl from africa or other foreign countries it can be. |
| 15:06 | cait | libsysguy: you could always remove the install folders with sample data and po files if you don't plan on using them |
| 15:06 | gmcharlt | I would encourage somebody to set up regional mirrors, in that case |
| 15:06 | cait | gmcharlt++ :) |
| 15:06 | paul_p | jcamins = with frederic's suggestion, we don't loose history, we just split it in 2 places. |
| 15:06 | libsysguy | I keep thinking about master as production not development and that is really my downfall :p |
| 15:07 | * jcamins | is concerned about solr because of the overhead and what it would mean for developing countries, but if someone in Afghanistan is setting up Koha, I'm going to tell them not to download the git repo at all. |
| 15:07 | jcamins | Use the packages. |
| 15:07 | paul_p | jcamins = all our productions servers are using git. But not master. using git <> running master |
| 15:07 | jcamins | paul_p: I know, but if you're concerned about bandwidth, packages are a smaller solution. |
| 15:07 | Or tarball. | |
| 15:08 | paul_p | jcamins one point for you ;-) |
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| 15:10 | jcamins | paul_p: if you're doing development, you need to download everything eventually anyway. |
| 15:11 | cait | and keeping things together is better then |
| 15:11 | jcamins | So instead of downloading 355MB with one command, you download it with two. Right? |
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| 15:36 | mle | cait: @Teviot.... 64 bytes from serene.ttllp.co.uk (86.54.115.53): icmp_req=7 ttl=55 time=12.6 ms but that is on the staff wireless ; ) I have confirmation that delegates will have internets. It is likely that it will be good enough uplink to stream. ; > |
| 15:36 | cait | woohoo nice! |
| 15:36 | mle | init |
| 15:37 | cait | delegates? |
| 15:37 | mle | erm. yes people coming to the conference |
| 15:37 | cait | ah :) |
| 15:37 | jcamins | mle: oh, I didn't realize the conference was actually going to be in Teviot. |
| 15:37 | cait | was not sure if it meant only people presenting or all of us :) |
| 15:38 | mle | it is in the Dining Hall @ Teviot. It is a wonderful space. |
| 15:39 | cait | :) |
| 15:39 | how many people will fit in there? | |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Can't say I spent much time there (in the dining hall), but I recall it vaguely. |
| 15:39 | mle | I have asked if there is a room in Informatics for the Hackfest, since certain obstables have now been overcome on that front. : ) |
| 15:40 | I don't think I had ever been in the Dining Hall before | |
| 15:40 | cait: plenty | |
| 15:41 | alex_a | dpavlin: ping |
| 15:41 | mle | Capacity 150 http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/yourvenues/teviot/ |
| 15:42 | cait but it will be a bit less than that, due to room layout | |
| 15:42 | cait | ah |
| 15:42 | hope we can fit all in then :) | |
| 15:42 | it looks like a real nice place | |
| 15:43 | mle | It is lovely |
| 15:43 | I was hanging out in the Library bar today | |
| 15:43 | ; ) | |
| 15:43 | cait | :) |
| 15:48 | ok, #koha - I started looking at some old bugs this morning :) | |
| 15:49 | I wonder - do we keep bugs like bug 1953 open forever | |
| 15:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1953 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED , remove possible SQL injection attacks |
| 15:49 | cait | or close when last patch is pushed? |
| 15:49 | should we mark those 'omnibus' bus in some way to their purpose is clear? | |
| 15:49 | like add some [tag] to the description? | |
| 15:49 | fabio_t | bye :) |
| 15:50 | cait | hm now I scared the first one away.... any more who want to leave now? |
| 15:52 | no opinions? ooh | |
| 15:52 | oleonard | I vote close |
| 15:57 | cait | oleonard++ for giving his opinion :) |
| 15:57 | anyone else wants karma? | |
| 15:58 | or cookies? | |
| 15:58 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
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| 15:58 | cait | hi melia |
| 15:58 | melia | morning |
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| 16:00 | cait | ok, bug 2399 - will it work to remove the blank values from the sample files? |
| 16:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one |
| 16:00 | cait | I am willing to do it - but unsure if it's a good idea |
| 16:00 | or not | |
| 16:06 | oleonard | cait: You could get a lot of issues decided if you ask when no one is around to object ;) |
| 16:07 | cait | but I don't want to decide alone... |
| 16:07 | I am trying it for german | |
| 16:07 | and will provide a patch | |
| 16:08 | and try to ask about some other old bugs later :) | |
| 16:09 | oleonard | I think one problem may be that the additem interface offers a blank entry so that you can not set a value, but authorised_values might also contain a blank entry which has a value of "0" |
| 16:09 | hdl | 0 value is a value, if it means something, it should have a label |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | i agree with hdl |
| 16:10 | do we have default values that are 0 and have no labels? | |
| 16:10 | we should fix that. | |
| 16:11 | cait | wizzy: all of them |
| 16:11 | 0 no label | |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | lerd. |
| 16:11 | ok | |
| 16:11 | so | |
| 16:11 | cait | i gues sit doesn't mean anything |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | the question is: what should the label be |
| 16:11 | "no value defined" | |
| 16:11 | cait | 0 the same then empty |
| 16:11 | no | |
| 16:11 | we have no value defined | |
| 16:11 | I think we should get really rid of them | |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | what if, hypothetically |
| 16:12 | a library wants to choose not to choose | |
| 16:12 | isn't that the point of the 0 value? | |
| 16:12 | cait | that works |
| 16:12 | now | |
| 16:12 | I think it didn't always | |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 16:12 | cait | that's why people added 0 |
| 16:12 | as auth value | |
| 16:12 | and it makes us end up with 2 empty lines now | |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | ok |
| 16:12 | cait | :) |
| 16:12 | afaikt at least | |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | so you're saying remove it from the sample authorized values |
| 16:13 | cait | yeah,that was my idea |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | it won't touch existing installations |
| 16:13 | cait | nope |
| 16:13 | i wouldn't write an update | |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | by all means. Go ahead. |
| 16:13 | cait | if someone complains |
| 16:13 | you can tell them to delete them | |
| 16:13 | if they haven't figured that out already :) | |
| 16:14 | but if someone has an example for a real 0 value... they appear in withdrawn, lost, damaged, notforloan and restricted | |
| 16:15 | oleonard | What do you mean by a real 0 value? |
| 16:16 | One disadvantage to setting a description for the 0 value is that it's harder to scan the list of items in cataloging. It's easier to see which ones are "Damaged" if you're not scanning through a bunch which say "Not damaged" | |
| 16:18 | cait | oleonard: I meant some piece of code really looking for 0 |
| 16:19 | but I guess... not it's empty if you don't set something and nothing exploded sofar | |
| 16:20 | hm most of the fields default to 0 in the database | |
| 16:20 | and sorry for not making much sense- blame the dentist :) | |
| 16:21 | oleonard | Doing a search for "damaged =" returns some hits in pendingreserves.pl and reserveratios.pl |
| 16:21 | Hm, and lines in updatedatabase.pl: UPDATE items SET damaged = 0 WHERE damaged IS NULL | |
| 16:22 | cait | the field defaults to 0 |
| 16:22 | in the table definition | |
| 16:22 | oleonard | Oh, okay. |
| 16:22 | cait | so it should be ok :) |
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| 16:31 | wizzyrea | oleonard: intentional or a bug that the link from the home page for pending suggestions takes you to accepted suggestions instead of the pending tab? |
| 16:31 | (your fancy and awesome number | |
| 16:31 | count for pending suggestions) | |
| 16:31 | oleonard | sounds like a bug |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | k will file one |
| 16:32 | cait | wizzyrea: I think there is one |
| 16:32 | there is something weird about redirecting in suggestions :( | |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 16:35 | cait | hm not finding it |
| 16:35 | but I know there is one | |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea: what I saw was all tabs were gone | |
| 16:37 | except for the one I was redirected to | |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 16:37 | cait | and I had to go bck to the start page and back into the module to see all my suggestions |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | in 3.6.4 all of the tabs are there |
| 16:37 | paul_p | time to go back home for me. have a good day #koha ! |
| 16:38 | juan_sieira | bye Paul ¡¡ |
| 16:38 | cait | wizzyrea: that's good :) |
| 16:38 | bye paul_p | |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea: ignore me - I can't find it | |
| 16:39 | oleonard | Bug 4068 is about tabs weirdness, not exactly the same thing. |
| 16:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4068 major, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Accepting a suggestion hides 'pending' tab |
| 16:39 | cait | ooh |
| 16:39 | yes, I meant that | |
| 16:39 | thx owen! | |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | well I think I'll file this one anyway |
| 16:40 | as it's different | |
| 16:40 | oleonard | Maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. |
| 16:41 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:41 | cait | lol |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | @quote add oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. |
| 16:41 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #196 added. |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 16:41 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #128: "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project" (added by wizzyrea at 07:11 PM, April 18, 2011) |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | mhm. |
| 16:42 | cait | @quote random |
| 16:42 | huginn | cait: Quote #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES" (added by wizzyrea at 08:54 PM, June 08, 2011) |
| 16:42 | cait | lol |
| 16:43 | wizzyrea | that's a great one. |
| 16:43 | @quote random | |
| 16:43 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011) |
| 16:43 | * wizzyrea | nods |
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| 16:43 | bag | @wunder 93105 |
| 16:43 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Samarkand San Roque Upper SB Weather, Santa Barbara, California is 14.8°C (9:43 AM PDT on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising). High surf advisory in effect until noon PDT today... |
| 16:43 | oleonard | C4/[ insert your least favorite .pm here ] |
| 16:43 | cait | Search.pm? |
| 16:43 | wahanui | Search.pm is complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support. |
| 16:44 | oleonard | High surf advisory... we don't get many of those around here. |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence ks |
| 16:45 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.2°C (11:42 AM CDT on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.60 in 1002 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea | 27, at 11:45am |
| 16:45 | on april 2 | |
| 16:45 | bag | yeah I should go surfing :) |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea | that is INSANE. |
| 16:45 | bag | yup that's mental |
| 16:45 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 16:45 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 12.0°C (12:40 PM EDT on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:45 | oleonard | that's more sane |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea | 12 is chillyish. |
| 16:46 | cait | @wunder konstanz |
| 16:46 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.4°C (6:39 PM CEST on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | everybody has normal weather but me! |
| 16:46 | cait | spring :) |
| 16:46 | * cait | heads out to the supermarket |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | i won't lie, it's gorgeous here |
| 16:46 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 16:46 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 8.3°C (12:12 PM EDT on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | ok that's getting into "br, for spring" territory |
| 16:47 | jcamins | Yesterday it was bitterly cold. |
| 16:47 | Well, I guess it wasn't that much colder, but the fact that it was pouring and there was no subway meant that it felt bitterly cold by the time we got home. | |
| 16:50 | libsysguy | would anybody be up to signing off on bug 7852? |
| 16:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7852 major, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Hourly loan fines are not working |
| 16:50 | slef | jcamins: packages mean downloading the whole thing each upgrade. git means big upload up front, then smaller. I wish I could figure out shallow clones properly. |
| 16:51 | jcamins | slef: you end up downloading more. |
| 16:51 | slef: every time. | |
| 16:52 | At least, that's how it seems to me. | |
| 16:55 | It seems to me that an rsync server would be the solution for keeping downloads small. | |
| 17:04 | schuster | @wunder 75074 |
| 17:04 | huginn | schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 24.4°C (11:53 AM CDT on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). |
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| 17:11 | cait | back |
| 17:22 | maximep | @wunder cyqb |
| 17:22 | huginn | maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is 6.0°C (1:00 PM EDT on April 02, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:34 | chris_n | cait: do any of your libraries serve electronic resources off of the same server as koha? |
| 17:34 | or wizzyrea | |
| 17:34 | wahanui | I LIKE SCIENCE |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | no, we don't |
| 17:34 | chris_n | or anyone else :-) |
| 17:35 | just wondering if its best to use a different box, etc | |
| 17:35 | jcamins | chris_n: I'd think it would be. |
| 17:35 | cait | chris_n: sorry no - we have only links in the records |
| 17:35 | jcamins | chris_n: you should check with BibLibre, though. |
| 17:35 | They have that file upload thing. | |
| 17:36 | gmcharlt | also, if one is embedding (say) images in the OPAC, if you're using one server for both Koha and content, it still helps to use different virtual host names |
| 17:36 | chris_n | we're getting ready to inculcate pdf scans some public domain works... older ones |
| 17:37 | gmcharlt | that allows browsers to pull in static content with more parallelism |
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| 17:44 | jcamins | chris_n: how are you serving the media? |
| 17:45 | chris_n | jcamins: viewable in browser with the option to download |
| 17:46 | * chris_n | would like to have a fancy reader like internet archive, but that's probably not possible atm |
| 17:46 | jcamins | chris_n: I meant on the backend. If you're using something heavy-duty like Fez/Fedora, you'd probably want it on a separate server because Tomcat is hefty. |
| 17:47 | * jcamins | chuckles at this understatement. |
| 17:49 | chris_n | no, just a vanilla apache install on ubuntu or debian depending on the mood :-) |
| 17:49 | jcamins | How are you uploading the files? |
| 17:50 | chris_n | at the moment I'm doing it from the backend, but I've not thought that far ahead |
| 17:50 | jcamins | (I bet you weren't expecting a kind of Spanish inquisition!) |
| 17:50 | chris_n | :-) |
| 17:51 | I suppose I should use some sort of CMS | |
| 17:51 | schuster | So I'm setting up a new Koha system any recommendations on the email on debian to use? |
| 17:51 | * chris_n | looks worriedly to see if jcamins has gone for the thumb-screws |
| 17:52 | jcamins | schuster: bring out the comfy chair! |
| 17:52 | chris_n | lol |
| 17:52 | jcamins | schuster: I prefer Postfix. |
| 17:52 | schuster | was getting the popcorn ready for a lecture... |
| 17:53 | thanks | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | schuster: some people prefer Exim. |
| 17:54 | No one prefers sendmail. ;) | |
| 17:55 | schuster | K thanks - this will have to run through a mail proxy too... just venturing in ... |
| 17:56 | jcamins | I'm definitely pro-Postfix. |
| 17:56 | schuster | thanks |
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| 19:27 | francharb | sssssssssseeee yaaaaa |
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| 19:43 | mib_tv8sa8 | i have an issue when we search the catalog it returns results however clicking some of the results gives an error, i was told by the librarian that she didnt delete any of the affected records |
| 19:44 | cait | it sounds like an index problem |
| 19:44 | mib_tv8sa8 | http://lib.themico.edu.jm/cgi-[…]arcourt&offset=20 |
| 19:44 | cait | or a problem with translation |
| 19:44 | mib_tv8sa8 | how do i fix that? |
| 19:45 | i'm wondering if maybe the data was lost or something | |
| 19:45 | oleonard | mib_tv8sa8: Are you talking about "Error 404" ? |
| 19:45 | jcamins | I think you need to reindex, most likely. |
| 19:45 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:45 | jcamins | However, before going into troubleshooting... |
| 19:45 | Second question? | |
| 19:45 | wahanui | i guess Second question is "What is the exact error message?" |
| 19:45 | jcamins | No. |
| 19:45 | Third question? | |
| 19:45 | wahanui | well, Third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ion-koha-running/ |
| 19:46 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:46 | jcamins | ^^ that's the question I wanted to ask. :) |
| 19:46 | cait | 3.04 :) |
| 19:46 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 19:46 | wahanui | somebody said morning was a state of mind. |
| 19:46 | cait | 3.4 |
| 19:46 | jcamins | cait: oh, thanks. I guess mib_tv8sa8 just said that and I didn't notice? |
| 19:46 | mib_tv8sa8 | http://lib.themico.edu.jm/cgi-[…]rch.pl?q=harcourt, that was the search term when i click on any of the results past about 10 i get error 404 |
| 19:46 | cait | nope, I checked the opac |
| 19:47 | first thing I did | |
| 19:47 | mbalmer | good evening koha community |
| 19:47 | jcamins | Clever. |
| 19:48 | Zeno isn't here, is he? | |
| 19:48 | Ah well. | |
| 19:48 | Any Italian speakers around? | |
| 19:48 | mib_tv8sa8: what changed before this error started occurring? | |
| 19:50 | mbalmer | jcamins, I can order beer in italian, does that count? |
| 19:50 | mib_tv8sa8 | it seem all references for catalogs over about 1750 are missing...i checked the biblio table and it has about 1700records another table that seem to have and audit log or something indicates catalog numbers in the 2400+ region |
| 19:51 | jcamins | mbalmer: I'm trying to figure out whether Marzio or Marizio is more likely to be the right name in Italian. |
| 19:51 | mib_tv8sa8 | the system had gone down, when it came back mysql kept crashing, turns out to be a problem with sessions table and zebraqueue table |
| 19:51 | mbalmer | Maurizio, jcamins |
| 19:52 | jcamins | mbalmer: cool, looks like ordering beer is enough, thanks. :) |
| 19:52 | mbalmer | Marzio sounds quite wrong. |
| 19:52 | jcamins | mib_tv8sa8: did you reindex? |
| 19:52 | mbalmer: yeah, that's what I thought. | |
| 19:52 | That sounds like a month, or something not Italian. | |
| 19:52 | mbalmer | definitely not italian.. |
| 19:52 | mib_tv8sa8 | how do i reindex? |
| 19:53 | jcamins | mib_tv8sa8: how did you install Koha? |
| 19:53 | (packages, git, tarball, etc.) | |
| 19:53 | oleonard | mib_tv8sa8: It's usually something your system administrator would handle |
| 19:53 | mib_tv8sa8 | i had to drop the contents of those tables in order to get mysql to run |
| 19:53 | from pkg | |
| 19:53 | tarball | |
| 19:54 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 19:54 | searching faq? | |
| 19:54 | wahanui | i heard searching faq was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 19:54 | jcamins | See the last question for the command. |
| 19:54 | You want to use the rebuil_zebra.pl one. | |
| 19:55 | cait | anyone opposed to closing bug 2657? |
| 19:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2657 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , AutoEmailPrimaryAddress preference not universally applied |
| 19:55 | cait | it as reported against 3.0 and there are no current bugs reporting that it's not applied to some kind of message |
| 19:56 | mbalmer | is it enough to add patches to a bug or do I need to mail them to koha-patches as well? |
| 19:56 | cait | and from another bug we know it works for overdues |
| 19:56 | mib_tv8sa8 | i installed from the tarball i will run the script right now |
| 19:57 | jcamins | mbalmer: if there hasn't been any patch submitted previously, you should send it to the list as well. |
| 19:57 | mbalmer | ok. |
| 19:57 | cait | jcamins: which I forgot twice today already... hmpf :) |
| 19:57 | mbalmer | will do. |
| 19:57 | oleonard | git bz makes it easy to forget :) |
| 20:00 | jcamins | Most people have switched to using git-bz, so it's not so important now, I think. |
| 20:00 | (still should be done, but if you're a day late, it probably won't delay your patch getting in... at least that's my theory) | |
| 20:05 | oleonard | See y'all later, #koha |
| 20:05 | chris_n | bye |
| 20:06 | mbalmer | cait, please no new MySQLisms, please rework your patch. |
| 20:06 | cait | I added no new mysqlisms |
| 20:06 | I removed lines | |
| 20:07 | mbalmer | yes, you did. |
| 20:07 | cait | there is no chance i added new |
| 20:07 | I didn#t rework the whole file | |
| 20:07 | but I think that's a patch for another day | |
| 20:07 | mbalmer | +INSERT INTO `authorised_values` (`id`, `category`, `authorised_value`, `lib`) VALUES (LAST_INSERT_ID( ) + 4,'LOST','4','Отсутствует при инвентиризации'); |
| 20:07 | cait | I renumbered |
| 20:07 | mbalmer | Please remove the backquotes. |
| 20:08 | jcamins | There weren't any MySQLisms added in that patch. |
| 20:09 | mbalmer | but MySQLisms were changed, which is not acceptable either. Easy to remove, so please remove them. |
| 20:10 | maximep | just curious, how do you escape characters in field names in postgres? |
| 20:10 | rangi | Send a followup mbalmer |
| 20:10 | mbalmer | rangi. no that is up to the one who posts a patch. |
| 20:10 | jcamins | We generally defer to our elected QA team for making these decisions. |
| 20:10 | chris_n | mbalmer: probably a better way would be to followup with a patch that removes backticks entirely from that file |
| 20:10 | mbalmer | I will just continue to complain about MySQLisms. |
| 20:11 | yes, I will go through all code and remove backquotes. | |
| 20:11 | rangi | Go for it |
| 20:11 | chris_n | chipping away line by line will be extremely slow going |
| 20:11 | gmcharlt | mbalmer: sure, that's a possible strategy, but not necessarily the most effective one to achieve your end (the complaining about it) |
| 20:11 | chris_n | sorta like the perl-tidy issues |
| 20:11 | mbalmer | but everyone who changes SQL code should do it proper now. |
| 20:11 | gmcharlt | sending_patches++ |
| 20:11 | chris_n | sending_patches++ |
| 20:12 | jcamins | chris_n: yeah, but this seems rather less destructive to history than a mass Perl-tidy. |
| 20:12 | sending_patches++ | |
| 20:12 | chris_n | jcamins: right |
| 20:12 | mbalmer | maximep, in PostgresSQL, you have to quote column names that are e.g. keywords. |
| 20:13 | chris_n | jcamins: and that is probably an issue for mass mysqlism changes as well |
| 20:13 | rangi | My bus stop |
| 20:13 | Bbiab | |
| 20:13 | jcamins | chris_n: it is, but if we're talking about changing backticks in one file, that's not so bad. |
| 20:13 | mbalmer | bug 7365 has some sub-bugs with patches to remove some mysqlism. |
| 20:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, In Discussion , Koha uses MySQL |
| 20:13 | chris_n | which makes fredericd 's "new" git thought all the more interesting |
| 20:14 | jcamins | The logic will be a lot easier to trace backwards. |
| 20:14 | mbalmer | the backticks I plan to remove in one monster-patch.. |
| 20:14 | chris_n | ie. archive the existing repo and open an new one with mass changes completed |
| 20:14 | * chris_n | heads out for the day |
| 20:15 | jcamins | Have a good evening. |
| 20:15 | mbalmer | my grep pattern is easy: whenever I see a ^+ line that contains a MySQLism, I will complain on the mailing list. |
| 20:15 | jcamins | mbalmer: that doesn't seem very productive. |
| 20:16 | chris_n | tact? |
| 20:16 | jcamins | chris_n: huh? |
| 20:16 | mbalmer | jcamins, It makes people aware of the problem. |
| 20:18 | but changing the backticks in one patch will already help greatly, since many people just copy and paste. | |
| 20:18 | and when there is no mysqlism to copy, there is no mysqlism to paste. | |
| 20:21 | gmcharlt | mbalmer: there's another appraoch to try after 3.8 is released -- submitting a test case that looks for backticks in the appropriate source files and fails the test if it detects an SQL query that uses them |
| 20:21 | that way, the "complaining" would be done via bot, not personally | |
| 20:21 | sekjal | ^^ |
| 20:21 | I second gmcharlt's suggestion | |
| 20:21 | mbalmer | heh, but folks need a person to blame ;) |
| 20:21 | but yes, automated tests are good. | |
| 20:21 | I learned that in Marseille. | |
| 20:22 | gmcharlt | mbalmer: let the bots have the indigestion, not the people ;) |
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| 20:31 | sekjal | as I've said before, I think we should aim for database independence, and let Postgres follow as a consequence of that |
| 20:32 | but I'm not going to be the one doing the work | |
| 20:32 | mbalmer | rangi, yes, I know. But back then, PostgreSQL was not very performant. |
| 20:32 | sekjal | and so long as we're moving in the right direction, if we get to Postgres first, and don't break MySQL, we're doing well |
| 20:32 | mbalmer | sekjal, I see it slighlty different, but either route we take, it will lead to the other eventually. |
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| 20:33 | sekjal | I think there is plenty of work as things stand now that moves equally towards both goals |
| 20:34 | mbalmer: do you know of any Postgres-specific features that would provide a direct benefit to library patrons? It's been a long while since I used it | |
| 20:34 | rangi | it also had 2 separate database handles, one for staff one for opac, bring that back would be good too |
| 20:36 | jcamins | Ooh, I like that idea! |
| 20:36 | rangi | a read and a write handle |
| 20:36 | then you can read from slaves write to master | |
| 20:36 | and since 98% of the work koha does is reads | |
| 20:37 | you can share a lot of load around | |
| 20:37 | sekjal | rangi: that sounds pretty sweet |
| 20:38 | gmcharlt | Postgres is also a *lot* nicer to develop stored procedures for |
| 20:38 | rangi | ive seen it used well on a quite a few high traffic projects |
| 20:38 | gmcharlt | although, of course, that wouldn't really be consistent with DBMS-independence |
| 20:39 | mbalmer | Imo, DB independence has to solve one big problem: To not only use the least common features of all DBs, but to allow us to use advanced features where available. That is a ture problem. |
| 20:39 | gmcharlt | it has better type checking enabled by default |
| 20:39 | (though mysql can be made stricter, too -- just isn't normally configured that way) | |
| 20:39 | * rangi | works with a postgres developer |
| 20:40 | mbalmer | sekjal, I think that asynchronous and synchronous replication are one feature that you want. Plus that your data is more safe when it comes to system crashes etc. |
| 20:40 | oh yes, MySQL can store illegal dates. Crazy… ;) | |
| 20:40 | rangi | and we use it for most of our work like tab.co.nz and stuff.co.nz |
| 20:40 | mbalmer | rangi, who is that? |
| 20:40 | rangi | what i dont want to see is yet another blah blah postgres is better than mysql blah blah vim blah blah |
| 20:41 | gmcharlt | well, mysql supports replication as well |
| 20:41 | rangi | emacs blah blah |
| 20:41 | * gmcharlt | is occupying the fence, doncha know ;) |
| 20:41 | rangi | i think what sekjal was asking is what can it do for patrons |
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| 20:41 | mbalmer | rangi, vi is better ;P |
| 20:41 | jcamins | rangi: I always use C-x M-c M-butterfly when those conversations come up. |
| 20:41 | sekjal | right, in the end, it'll be up to each sysadmin what platform they think is best for their stuff |
| 20:42 | rangi | mbalmer: mark kirkwood |
| 20:42 | jcamins | Make the people arguing disappear. |
| 20:42 | mbalmer | rangi, yes, there is an issue; MySQL has been bought by Oracle, and that fact alone makes a good lot of MySQL users very nervous. |
| 20:42 | sekjal | but if some feature of one database or another can make or break a feature for patron usage, then I'm all ears |
| 20:42 | rangi | yes, i am aware of that |
| 20:42 | gmcharlt | mbalmer: well, there's always s/mysql/mariadb/ |
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| 20:43 | cait | heya jo |
| 20:43 | * cait | waves |
| 20:43 | mbalmer | or s/mysql/PostgreSQL/ or even a better solution where both can be used. |
| 20:43 | rangi | i like drizzle |
| 20:43 | jcamins | sekjal: I've always understood that an RDBMS is an RDBMS is an RDBMS. |
| 20:43 | sekjal | jcamins: for most functionality, I think it is |
| 20:44 | mbalmer | I am currently working towards a DB independent solutions that still lets us use features from a DB. |
| 20:44 | aka not the least common denominator. | |
| 20:44 | cait | @later tell oleonard can you take a look at 2733? I am not sure what to do about this - perhaps we could rename to print account? Is the print page maintained? Or perhaps should be removed? |
| 20:44 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:45 | jcamins | mbalmer: and what does that get the patrons? |
| 20:45 | sekjal | mbalmer: I guess what I'm after is: what beyond the least common denominator is worth coding up special exemptions for? |
| 20:45 | mbalmer | jcamins, running on a stable DB is already a gain. |
| 20:45 | sekjal | where the measure of "worth" is patron satisfaction |
| 20:46 | mbalmer | MySQL is not a stable DB. |
| 20:46 | rangi | wow, exactly the blah i was meaning |
| 20:46 | sekjal | mbalmer: that's a bold claim, and would require bold evidence to be taken as anything more than an opinion |
| 20:47 | jcamins | mbalmer: but we could run on Postgres if we coded for the LCD. |
| 20:47 | mbalmer | sure, sekjal. |
| 20:47 | very easy to currupt a MySQL DB, very hard to corrupt a PostgreSQL DB. | |
| 20:47 | nothing I need to defend, it's just a fact. | |
| 20:48 | rangi | LOL |
| 20:48 | schuster | mbalmer - running 4 years just fine here pretty big db if you ask me... |
| 20:48 | walking away... It's actually better than what I had that was proprietary before this... | |
| 20:49 | sekjal | mbalmer: I'm a librarian... I'll always be one of those folks holding up the "citation needed" sign |
| 20:49 | mbalmer | I force nobody to run on PostgreSQL, but we decided to support PostgreSQL, so that is what I am doing. Giving users a choice. |
| 20:49 | cait | sekjal++ for being a librarian :) |
| 20:50 | mbalmer | I don't care to much if you run on MySQL. The goal is to run on both. |
| 20:50 | gmcharlt | mbalmer: I don't think there is actually much disagreement that support for Pg (in the guise of DB-independence) would be a Nice Thing |
| 20:50 | and the fact that you're willing to work on it is great ... just, well | |
| 20:50 | working code wins? | |
| 20:50 | more code less arguing? | |
| 20:50 | mbalmer | look at bug 7365 |
| 20:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, In Discussion , Koha uses MySQL |
| 20:50 | mbalmer | and the sub bugs |
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