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| 01:09 | jcamins_away | Woohoo! |
| 01:09 | eythian++ | |
| 01:18 | eythian | jcamins_away: the working copy had 5 patches, I think the patch I sent only had 3 of those, the last two were fixups (and adding the actual auth check in) |
| 01:18 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 01:18 | Thanks. | |
| 01:18 | eythian | well I would, but my terminal seems to have locked up. |
| 01:20 | jcamins_away | Kill bash, restart it? |
| 01:27 | This is... weird. | |
| 01:36 | eythian | it wasn't bash, it was xfce4-terminal |
| 01:36 | jcamins_away: can you resolve iumma.kallisti.net.nz? | |
| 01:37 | jcamins_away | Yup. |
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| 01:41 | eythian | and my network (on the local computer) went a bit crazy. I think this hardware might be getting unhappy. |
| 01:41 | jcamins_away | Uh-oh. |
| 01:41 | Time for a new computer? | |
| 01:44 | Time for bed for me. | |
| 01:45 | I'll try to sign off on the PKI patch over the weekend if you post a new one. | |
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| 01:51 | eythian_ | ah, I had openvpn running, and it was providing a false route |
| 01:54 | eythian | k'know, if ever there was a candidate for a file-wide perltidy, I think Auth.pm is it. |
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| 06:54 | cait | hi #koha |
| 07:06 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 07:06 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 07:06 | Hello cait | |
| 07:06 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 07:06 | Oak | :) |
| 07:12 | Library I am going to automate for my MLIS project, with Koha, has around ~3K books on Management Sciences, no classification scheme used, just put in shelves like, Accounting books in one place, Business Comm. books in one place and so on. There is no record in any electronic form, like in an Excel sheet or anything. There is just one register which has serial no, book title, author name, vendor name and price. That's it. Question: how do I proceed? Do I first | |
| 07:12 | collect all data (title, author name, edition, publisher, place of publication, ISBN No, DDC no, etc) and put it in Excel sheet and then start feeding in Koha, copy pasting data from Excel (or importing if possible, I need to learn that, never done it). OR do I jump straight in... start picking books and just entering in Koha? | |
| 07:21 | cait | reading |
| 07:22 | I think I would skip using an excel list | |
| 07:22 | and do it from the books | |
| 07:22 | can you work in the library? | |
| 07:22 | Oak | yup. |
| 07:22 | all day. | |
| 07:22 | cait | ah |
| 07:22 | I think that will be not that hard then | |
| 07:23 | do you have a barcode reader perhaps? | |
| 07:23 | Oak | 9:00 am to 8:00 pm and two guys for my help, but they are not library professionals |
| 07:23 | nope | |
| 07:24 | cait | ah, I think you will be fine |
| 07:24 | how many computers? | |
| 07:24 | Oak | 4 computers, for patron use |
| 07:24 | cait | ah, so your helpers could even help with cataloguing |
| 07:24 | Oak | yes |
| 07:24 | cait | I think you will be fine ) |
| 07:24 | :) | |
| 07:25 | I think you might give items a thought | |
| 07:25 | before starting | |
| 07:25 | like if you want to use collections | |
| 07:25 | or locations | |
| 07:25 | so you can make them put those in when cataloguing the books | |
| 07:25 | like all accounting books get a collection accounting | |
| 07:26 | do you want to add a classification scheme or keep them as is? I mean is printing labels part of the project? | |
| 07:26 | Oak | yes! please tell things like that as I have not done this before |
| 07:26 | cait | look at the item fields |
| 07:26 | and think how you want to organize it | |
| 07:26 | Oak | it's not part of the project... but should I do it? how much time it may consume? |
| 07:26 | cait | are there different locations in the library? |
| 07:26 | Oak | locations? |
| 07:26 | cait | are there collections people might want to search for or that would make it easier to find a book? |
| 07:26 | hm yes | |
| 07:27 | that can be pretty mucn everything | |
| 07:27 | like the room | |
| 07:27 | or a special place in the library, like the shelf for new books | |
| 07:27 | Oak | it's just a big room, with tables in the middle |
| 07:27 | i mean reading desks for users | |
| 07:28 | cait | ah ok |
| 07:28 | so do you want to use callnumbers for the books? | |
| 07:28 | I mean print some and label them? | |
| 07:28 | it#s good to think about this things I think before starting to enter data | |
| 07:28 | Oak | should I be doing that? I want to finish in 2 months. |
| 07:28 | cait | so you can do as much as possible with each book while you have it in your hands |
| 07:29 | you could do it in steps | |
| 07:29 | start with cataloging and add simple item records | |
| 07:29 | oh | |
| 07:29 | barcodes | |
| 07:29 | wahanui | barcodes are all in weird places |
| 07:29 | cait | pssht wahanui |
| 07:29 | will the books be checked out later? | |
| 07:29 | Oak | yes. |
| 07:29 | cait | do they have barcodes already? |
| 07:29 | Oak | no |
| 07:29 | cait | hm |
| 07:30 | can you buy preprinted barcodes? | |
| 07:30 | or print them yourself? | |
| 07:30 | Oak | i can print them myself |
| 07:30 | cait | I thnk when cataloguing the books, you chould give them a barcode |
| 07:30 | if you catalog first and do the barcodes later it's double work | |
| 07:30 | because oyu have to get every book again... search for the right record... and so on | |
| 07:30 | better to do in one step | |
| 07:32 | Oak | okay, so I should work in a sequence, and that sequence (in general terms) should be: |
| 07:34 | 1: decide whether use collections or locations | |
| 07:34 | cait | or both :) whatever makes sense |
| 07:34 | Oak | 2: decide will I be printing spine labels or not |
| 07:35 | cait | yep, but I think you could do that later - if you are worried about time |
| 07:35 | Oak | yes :) the director said if this goes well, he would to automate another library in the university and link the two collections... |
| 07:35 | cait | :) |
| 07:35 | Oak | i *am* worried about time as I am doing it for the first time. everything for the first time. |
| 07:36 | only read stuff in books, never worked in a library | |
| 07:36 | cait | 3. catalog the records, add items with barcodes |
| 07:36 | Oak | yes. okay. |
| 07:36 | cait | we have to do lots of internships here |
| 07:36 | while we are studying | |
| 07:36 | I was at 3 libaries, 2x 6 weeks and 1x half a year | |
| 07:36 | Oak | I wish I had done one |
| 07:36 | cait | it's mandatory |
| 07:37 | Oak | hmm. |
| 07:37 | cait | but training to be a librarian here is different - I don't have an MLIS but more something like a bachelor |
| 07:38 | 3.5 years - longer than a master degree | |
| 07:38 | Oak | :) |
| 07:39 | okay, so when cataloging the records, any logical steps to do a book? | |
| 07:39 | cait | hm? |
| 07:40 | I think search for isbn, if that does not work, try the title and authors | |
| 07:40 | put aside books you don't find at all and catalog them later, when the easy stuff is done | |
| 07:40 | Oak | okay |
| 07:40 | cait | and make sure you put a barcode label in each book and catalog an item fo rit |
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| 07:41 | cait | so you can find easily later, which books have been cataloged - they will have a barcode label and scanning it into koha will find the right record |
| 07:41 | mbalmer | g'morning |
| 07:41 | cait | or typing it into koha in that case |
| 07:41 | mle | :) |
| 07:41 | cait | hi mbalmer |
| 07:41 | hi mle :) | |
| 07:41 | scotland! yay! :) | |
| 07:41 | mle | hey cait |
| 07:41 | Oak | cool, got it |
| 07:41 | cait | Oak: hope I am not talking total nonsense :) |
| 07:42 | Oak | :) what are you talking about cait? you help me a lot always. |
| 07:43 | cait | aaw |
| 07:43 | Oak | true story. |
| 07:43 | cait | I hope your project goes so well... that you will start automating libraries with koha all over the country ;) |
| 07:44 | Oak | oh bless you. have some cookies. |
| 07:44 | cait | yum |
| 07:44 | but perhaps should get hotel breakfast first | |
| 07:44 | * Oak | offers cait a another basket of freshly baked cookies |
| 07:44 | Oak | traveling? |
| 07:44 | cait | a basket? I am lost... |
| 07:44 | yep, see your pm ;) | |
| 07:45 | I am doing a distance study, had one exam yesterday and today it's presentations | |
| 07:45 | and then going back home, getting my suitcase and going to marseille for the hackfest | |
| 07:49 | Oak | cooool. have fun then. |
| 07:50 | mbalmer | Am I overseeing sth or does the SIP2 standard not define which fields may occur more than once? |
| 07:59 | cait | mbalmer: no idea |
| 08:02 | mbalmer | seems they say it implicitely: .. must be sent for each ... |
| 08:04 | cait | ok, time to go |
| 08:04 | bye all | |
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| 08:38 | Oak | wizzyrea? |
| 08:38 | wahanui | I LIKE SCIENCE |
| 08:48 | mle | .. it works (bitches) |
| 08:49 | https://www.xkcd.com/54/ | |
| 08:51 | jcamins_away | Woohoo! |
| 08:51 | eythian++ | |
| 08:52 | Oak | eythian++ |
| 09:54 | cait-m joined #koha | |
| 09:54 | * jcamins_away | waves to cait-m. |
| 09:55 | cait-m | :-) |
| 09:56 | Oak | hello cait-m :) |
| 09:56 | uh electricity will go in few minutes | |
| 09:56 | so... | |
| 09:56 | jcamins_away | Bye. :) |
| 09:57 | Oak | later... :) |
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| 11:58 | jcamins_away | kmkale: if you have any bug reports in Bugzilla where the patch has been pushed and the issue fixed, you should close them. :) |
| 11:58 | And good morning. | |
| 11:58 | kmkale | hey jcamins_away |
| 11:58 | wahanui | somebody said jcamins_away was probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it! |
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| 12:52 | mbalmer | trying to build a selfcheckout with an IBM Anyplace Kiosk (http://www.arcapos.ch/anyplace/anyplacekiosk.jpg) |
| 12:52 | problem is to get the serial input from the scanner as keyboard input into X. It will need a specific X input driver. | |
| 12:53 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 12:53 | hello cait-m :) | |
| 12:57 | cait-m | hry Oak |
| 12:57 | hey | |
| 12:57 | Oak | :) |
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| 13:30 | libsysguy | bug 5549 |
| 13:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, tdavis, Signed Off , Hourly Loans |
| 13:35 | * libsysguy | was really excited this morning when I got an email about hourly pushed to master... |
| 13:36 | libsysguy | then I saw jcamins_away's email |
| 13:36 | cait-m joined #koha | |
| 13:36 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 13:37 | I sent it for you. :) | |
| 13:37 | libsysguy | yeah I woke up in a state of euphoria |
| 13:38 | only to be killed when I went to bugzilla | |
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| 16:03 | jcamins_away | cait++ |
| 16:03 | cait | only following a good example :) |
| 16:03 | jcamins++ | |
| 16:03 | jcamins | Isn't it nice to have things cleaner? :) |
| 16:03 | cait | yep it totally is |
| 16:03 | and it's something I can do from the trian | |
| 16:04 | at least until I start feeling nauseous | |
| 16:20 | mbalmer | already en route to marseille, cait? |
| 16:20 | cait | nope |
| 16:20 | doing a detour | |
| 16:20 | back from dortmund to konstnaz to pick up my things | |
| 16:21 | jcamins_away | Bug 7700 |
| 16:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers |
| 16:21 | cait | will leave to marseille tomorrow morning |
| 16:23 | mbalmer | ah, I see. I will only arrive on monday evening. |
| 16:25 | cait | sunday afternoon (I hope) |
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| 16:46 | cait | t |
| 16:47 | jcamins_away | u |
| 16:50 | cait | :) |
| 16:59 | uh | |
| 16:59 | 1319 open bugs and enhancements | |
| 17:00 | wouldn't it be great to get that down... to 999? | |
| 17:00 | in the bug squashing week? | |
| 17:01 | hm | |
| 17:01 | perhaps we should move bug 7619 to in discussion? | |
| 17:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7619 blocker, P2, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , 3M self checkout don't work in France |
| 17:01 | cait | it seems a step backwards to me |
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| 17:05 | * magnus_afk | waves |
| 17:06 | * cait | waves back |
| 17:07 | seneca | does the wave |
| 17:08 | I'm finally here without a problem... just to hopefully help someone else;) | |
| 17:08 | cait | magnus_afk: I was just saying it would be nice to push the total bug/enh number from over 1300 to less than 1000 next week ;) |
| 17:08 | seneca: :) | |
| 17:10 | magnus_afk | cait: sure - but is it doable? |
| 17:10 | fix 300 bugs in a week? | |
| 17:10 | cait | not sure :) |
| 17:10 | but shoulnd't we always reach for the stars? :) | |
| 17:10 | magnus_afk | yeah! |
| 17:11 | the sky is the limit! | |
| 17:11 | cait | and a lot of bugs that only need to be retested and closed in that list |
| 17:11 | like jcamins pointed out earlier today | |
| 17:11 | magnus_afk | how did you find that number? |
| 17:11 | cait | so if we could get rid of those 700 alone... we would reach the goal |
| 17:11 | I have a saved search you can use | |
| 17:11 | ALL by prio | |
| 17:11 | magnus_afk | ah, yeah if they can just be closed we might cover some ground |
| 17:12 | ahm got it | |
| 17:12 | s/ahm/ah/ | |
| 17:13 | maybe we should promote that as an activity for gbsw | |
| 17:13 | cait | :) |
| 17:13 | yep | |
| 17:13 | I think jared already did a little | |
| 17:13 | magnus_afk | it's something people can do with just a current master |
| 17:13 | cait | now we only have to remind people this week |
| 17:13 | magnus_afk | yeah |
| 17:14 | cait | yep |
| 17:14 | or a current stable | |
| 17:14 | tunnels-- | |
| 17:14 | magnus_afk | hehe |
| 17:14 | yeah, that too | |
| 17:19 | mbbl | |
| 17:20 | cait | so, 1319 is my personal starting point ;) |
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| 17:37 | jcamins | moving-- |
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| 18:18 | rangi | morning |
| 18:19 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 18:19 | wahanui | morning is a state of mind. |
| 18:19 | jcamins | How's Sunday looking? |
| 18:19 | seneca | and a state of geography ;) |
| 18:22 | rangi | so far not bad |
| 18:22 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 18:22 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on March 18, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:44 | rangi | hmm i wonder if a bug has been reported at the bugzilla bugzilla |
| 18:47 | sekjal joined #koha | |
| 18:48 | rangi | hi sekjal |
| 18:48 | sekjal | hi, rangi |
| 18:50 | cait-m joined #koha | |
| 18:51 | rangi | its travelling cait-m |
| 18:51 | sekjal | anyone have a bug they want to nominate for first QA of the day? |
| 18:52 | jcamins | Bug 6296. |
| 18:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Signed Off , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates |
| 18:53 | jcamins | :) |
| 18:56 | sekjal | jcamins: I'll take a look |
| 18:58 | rangi | ohh roles for 3.10 in the next meeting |
| 18:59 | sekjal | it is about that time, isn't it? |
| 19:00 | jcamins | Let's see... that's 2pm on Wednesday? |
| 19:01 | rangi | hmm something like that |
| 19:01 | * sekjal | nominates magnuse and cait for QA Assistants or QA Manager |
| 19:01 | cait-m_ joined #koha | |
| 19:01 | * rangi | puts his name down for release maintainer, hopefully to share with someone else |
| 19:02 | cait-m_ | rangi++ |
| 19:04 | * jcamins | puts his name down for co-release maintainer. |
| 19:05 | rangi | yay |
| 19:05 | cait-m_ | yay |
| 19:05 | * sekjal | nods approvingly |
| 19:05 | cait-m_ | jcamins++ |
| 19:09 | * jcamins | considers how much he could automate. |
| 19:09 | rangi | chris_n has scripted a lot of it already |
| 19:09 | * jcamins | has all the virtues of Perl programmers. |
| 19:10 | rangi | what we could do is make a branch that we push to first, then have jenkins test it |
| 19:10 | jcamins | rangi: I know. I look forward to scripting more of it so that I can be lazy. :P |
| 19:10 | cait-m_ | hmm |
| 19:10 | sekjal | well, I think this has been before, a lot by rangi, but we're going to need more unit tests |
| 19:11 | rangi | yep |
| 19:11 | more tests | |
| 19:11 | sekjal | anyone who runs for Release Manager on a platform of "no unit test, no commit" would likely garner quite a bit of support |
| 19:12 | rangi | be interesting to see who puts their name down for RM |
| 19:12 | jcamins | Didn't paul_p volunteer to do 3.8 and 3.10? |
| 19:12 | sekjal | jcamins: lots of whitespace cleanup for 6296... was slowing me down until I remembered I could just git diff -w |
| 19:12 | I'm sure paul_p will run again | |
| 19:13 | jcamins | sekjal: heh. I didn't even notice, I always use -w. |
| 19:13 | sekjal | jcamins: I usually read the patch in bugzilla |
| 19:13 | rangi | you saw the nice way to fix the whitespace stuff too on patch apply? |
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| 19:13 | sekjal | same -w flag on git apply? |
| 19:14 | or git am? | |
| 19:15 | rangi | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]patches-with-git/ |
| 19:15 | * jcamins | uses that. |
| 19:15 | cait-m_ | me too |
| 19:16 | sekjal | rangi: nice! I'll add that to my git config |
| 19:17 | rangi | brb poo emergency |
| 19:17 | the joys of fatherhood | |
| 19:19 | sekjal | oh dear |
| 19:21 | jcamins: am I completely crazy for writing an Amazon2MARC xslt? | |
| 19:21 | jcamins | sekjal: yes. |
| 19:22 | sekjal: however, it's a cool idea. :) | |
| 19:22 | sekjal | that's a quicker response than I was expecting :p |
| 19:22 | jcamins | sekjal: really? |
| 19:22 | Did you really think there was any question? | |
| 19:22 | sekjal | I mean, would anyone actually WANT MARC records from Amazon data? |
| 19:22 | * jcamins | would. |
| 19:23 | sekjal | they DO have really good information on the size, shape and weight of things |
| 19:24 | jcamins | Also, some sort of information on a lot of things that other places probably don't. |
| 19:24 | sekjal | you'd be able to flush out ASIN/UPC/EAN data, which would give you more keys to search on later |
| 19:25 | for music, they're a handy source of individual track information | |
| 19:26 | so I could automatically recreate basic MARC records for each track of CD, and link them back to the album record with analytics | |
| 19:26 | rangi | back |
| 19:29 | jcamins | True. You should do that. |
| 19:33 | * jcamins | observes that AMD motherboards don't seem to support much RAM, as a general rule. |
| 19:35 | jcamins | Actually, it looks like even 8GB DIMMs aren't too bad. |
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| 19:37 | * jcamins | still exists in a world where 4GB DIMMs are out of reach of normal people. |
| 19:37 | cait-m_ | waves once more |
| 19:38 | jcamins | Black Forest? |
| 19:39 | cait-m_ | almost |
| 19:40 | waiting for my last train | |
| 19:40 | and yes, near the tunnels now | |
| 19:51 | sekjal | jcamins: 6296 requires a one-line fix to get past QA |
| 19:51 | jcamins | What's that? |
| 19:51 | wahanui | that is failed qa |
| 19:51 | jcamins | wahanui: yes, I want to avoid it. |
| 19:51 | wahanui | jcamins: huh? |
| 19:52 | sekjal | the updatedatabase info for the new syspref is different from the sysprefs.sql value |
| 19:52 | so upgrading users and new installs will have divergent values for that preference | |
| 19:52 | minor | |
| 19:52 | but not acceptable | |
| 19:52 | should I just fix it myself? | |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Yes please! |
| 19:52 | sekjal | ok |
| 19:52 | * sekjal | doesn't want to be a jerk |
| 19:53 | jcamins | :) |
| 20:00 | sekjal | jcamins: okay, passed QA on 6296 |
| 20:00 | jcamins | sekjal: thanks! |
| 20:00 | sekjal | going to tackle bug 7310 next |
| 20:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
| 20:00 | jcamins | Ooh. |
| 20:00 | That's a great one. | |
| 20:02 | cait-m_ | sekjal could you take a look at denesting too? |
| 20:03 | sekjal | cait-m: okay, I'll take a look at that one next |
| 20:03 | cait-m_ | not sure what you already did still on phone |
| 20:04 | sekjal | blast! failure to apply on 7310's second patch |
| 20:04 | jcamins | sekjal: are they in the right order? I tried to put them in the right order, but it's always possible I screwed that up. |
| 20:07 | Yeah, I screwed it up. | |
| 20:07 | marcelr tried to fix it, but didn't quite manage. He has a note at the end showing the correct order. | |
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| 20:10 | * cait | waves |
| 20:13 | sekjal | jcamins: got it. will fix on my end |
| 20:13 | jcamins | sekjal: yay! |
| 20:14 | Even with both of us, it was quite a challenge to get those in the right order. | |
| 20:17 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 74.73.59.41 pasted "rangi (et. al.): does this make sense, both in terms of language and in terms of practice?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/313 |
| 20:19 | rangi | Yep I like it |
| 20:19 | jcamins | sekjal: you count as "et. al." |
| 20:19 | cait: so do you. :P | |
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| 20:20 | rangi | Jenkins can run tests against the unstable branch too |
| 20:21 | sekjal | jcamins: so, are you talking about having 3 levels, then, of stability? master, unstable-stable and stable-stable? |
| 20:21 | jcamins | Basically, except the idea is that no one should use unstable-stable. |
| 20:22 | That middle level is for transparency. | |
| 20:22 | rangi | Maybe call it testing |
| 20:22 | jcamins | At least, no one should use it in production. |
| 20:22 | Better. | |
| 20:22 | I will do that. | |
| 20:22 | rangi | Like debian |
| 20:22 | sekjal | that sounds a lot like what Paul was talking about in his 3.8 RM proposal |
| 20:22 | cait | hm |
| 20:22 | but means | |
| 20:23 | if someone discovers a bad evil bug | |
| 20:23 | rangi | But without relaxing qa |
| 20:23 | cait | in the stable release |
| 20:23 | he will have to wait 2 months | |
| 20:23 | rangi | Which his proposal also had |
| 20:23 | cait | becuase 1 release cycle it will be still in embargo perio |
| 20:23 | sekjal | rangi: right |
| 20:23 | cait | d |
| 20:23 | and then will go into the second after the bug was found and fixed | |
| 20:24 | rangi | If its bad enough it can jump |
| 20:24 | jcamins | cait: if s/he can make a convincing argument that the fix is *provably* safe, I'd consider appeals. |
| 20:24 | rangi | But there have been a few too many regressions in stable |
| 20:24 | Be nice to reduce that | |
| 20:24 | cait | I agree |
| 20:25 | rangi | Is the idea |
| 20:25 | cait | I love stable |
| 20:25 | only trying to think aobut how this will work | |
| 20:25 | rangi | And you could go to 3.8 |
| 20:26 | sekjal | metaphorically: we're adding more pools to the waterfall |
| 20:26 | rangi | Which won't have the embargo. But if it works for 3.6 maybe both stables will do it in the future |
| 20:26 | jcamins | sekjal: but hopefully not drowning. |
| 20:27 | sekjal | rather than providing a tighter filter on the flow |
| 20:27 | the risk being that if you filter too aggressively, nothing gets through | |
| 20:28 | rangi | It's just for transperancy |
| 20:28 | sekjal | but in the extra pool, little fishes can help catch some of the unfiltered bugs before they get to our stable pool |
| 20:28 | * sekjal | has probably abused this metaphor enough |
| 20:28 | rangi | We could do it without pushing another branch |
| 20:28 | Just hold patches anyway | |
| 20:29 | But nice to do it out in the open | |
| 20:29 | jcamins | sekjal: right, because on average, stable is pretty stable. It's just that with large bugfixes, there are often regressions discovered in the first few days, and it would be good to never have the branch in a regressed state. |
| 20:29 | sekjal | and just because something gets committed to the stable branch doesn't mean it makes it into a stable release |
| 20:30 | jcamins | sekjal: right, though we *hope* that all regressions get fixed. |
| 20:31 | sekjal | I'm probably not the best person to speak towards this... I don't even work for a Koha library anymore! |
| 20:31 | and my home library will be on master | |
| 20:32 | * jcamins | wanted to know it made sense. |
| 20:32 | doesn't run on any standard branch. 3.6.x+a couple of additional patches for major CSS changes and required features. | |
| 20:35 | sekjal | jcamins: got the patches in the right order for 7310 |
| 20:35 | now to test | |
| 20:37 | but first a quick run out to the shed with the recycling! | |
| 20:37 | jcamins | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]camins_RMaint_36x |
| 20:40 | libsysguy: around? | |
| 20:40 | libsysguy | yeah |
| 20:40 | whats up | |
| 20:41 | * libsysguy | is trying to figure out amazon aws |
| 20:41 | jcamins | Did you ever figure out the direct RefWorks export after they changed the API? |
| 20:41 | libsysguy | I didn't know they changed the api? |
| 20:41 | jcamins | Yeah, the jquery I provided didn't work. |
| 20:42 | libsysguy | haha how long has that been broken? |
| 20:42 | jcamins | Uhhh... a while. |
| 20:42 | You were working with them to set up different kind of interface. | |
| 20:43 | Weren't you? | |
| 20:43 | * jcamins | hasn't actually tried his jquery again. |
| 20:43 | jcamins | I should do that. |
| 20:43 | libsysguy | lmao nobody has mentioned it….which is really REALLY funny because we had a librarian preach about how we couldn't get rid of refworks…it was an existential experience |
| 20:43 | when I try and use ours im prompted for a login | |
| 20:43 | jcamins | But, you're not using the jQuery, are you? |
| 20:44 | libsysguy | yes I think so |
| 20:44 | sekjal | hey, libsysguy! |
| 20:44 | wahanui | somebody said libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck |
| 20:44 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 20:44 | libsysguy | yes I am using jquery |
| 20:44 | jcamins | Okay, I'll try this. |
| 20:44 | libsysguy | hey sekjal |
| 20:46 | * sekjal | hopes to have a little time for Hourly Loans tomorrow |
| 20:46 | libsysguy | that would be amazing |
| 20:47 | is interested to see if it makes it past the gatekeeper | |
| 20:47 | jcamins | You know what would be nice? An open-source Refworks alternative. |
| 20:47 | Not like Zotero, which is more of an Endnote alternative, but a Refworks alternative. | |
| 20:48 | libsysguy | is there not one of those available |
| 20:48 | jcamins | libsysguy: not that I know of. |
| 20:48 | libsysguy | hmm |
| 20:48 | jcamins | Let me rephrase that. |
| 20:49 | One that is still being developed. | |
| 20:49 | Connotea is the same idea, but the last release was 2006. | |
| 20:50 | libsysguy | yeah, I know we talked about switching to zotero |
| 20:51 | or even endnote | |
| 20:51 | refworks kind of sucks for $5K a year | |
| 20:52 | jcamins | Refbase looked really cool back in 2008, but that was also when it was last released. |
| 20:53 | *the last version was released | |
| 20:58 | libsysguy: looks like the RefWorks import still works. | |
| 20:59 | At least to the extent that it ever worked. | |
| 20:59 | On the subject of which, we need a better RIS/BibTeX export filter. | |
| 21:01 | Incidentally, I would like to... express my confusion about the fact that RefWorks has a "Koha" import filter. | |
| 21:02 | And horror that there is no MODS import filter. | |
| 21:02 | Nor OAI. | |
| 21:05 | sekjal | jcamins: did you find that one 7310 17 of the d/db_dependent/VirtualShelves.t tests failed? |
| 21:05 | jcamins | It claims to support Dublin Core. |
| 21:06 | sekjal: no I did not. | |
| 21:06 | libsysguy | sorry jcamins |
| 21:06 | im in and out | |
| 21:06 | jcamins | They all passed for me. |
| 21:06 | libsysguy: that's okay. I'm just reading about RefWorks and remembering why I hate it. | |
| 21:06 | libsysguy | haha |
| 21:06 | could you express that to my librarians | |
| 21:07 | sekjal | ah, helps if you run updatedatabase.pl ::facepalm:: |
| 21:07 | jcamins | sekjal: ah, yeah. |
| 21:07 | I wonder if we could interface with Zotero's import/export filter stuff. | |
| 21:09 | ... I don't want to ask the next logical question, do I? | |
| 21:09 | Is there such a thing as server-side Javascript? | |
| 21:10 | Apparently there is. It is very popular, and there is absolutely no citation to back that fact up on Wikipedia. | |
| 21:11 | rangi | Node.js |
| 21:11 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 21:11 | rangi | There's others |
| 21:12 | jcamins | Oh, look at that, there's a server-side Zotero thingy already. |
| 21:12 | https://github.com/zotero/translation-server | |
| 21:13 | sekjal | okay, my eyes are starting to glaze over looking at the core patch for 7310. I'm going to have to defer the rest of it's QA until tomorrow |
| 21:13 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 21:13 | Have a good evening. | |
| 21:15 | A web service-y interface to the translator would be very useful... as many export formats as you want. | |
| 21:15 | rangi | Yep |
| 21:16 | Node could do that well | |
| 21:16 | jcamins | rangi: on the other hand, the Zotero developers supoprt the xulrunner version. |
| 21:17 | *support | |
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| 21:17 | rangi | True |
| 21:17 | sekjal | cheers, #koha! |
| 21:37 | * rangi | wanders off for a bit |
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