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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 01:00 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 01:00 | wizzyrea | oh hi there. |
| 01:01 | jcamins_away | Saltine toffee candy? |
| 01:01 | What do you think, wizzyrea? | |
| 01:01 | Good idea? | |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | i think it would be amazing. |
| 01:02 | reminds me of the xmas trick of buying pretzels, then stacking a rolo candy and a pecan then baking for 3 minutes | |
| 01:02 | but less work. | |
| 01:03 | jcamins_away | :) |
| 01:03 | * jcamins_away | shall make some then. |
| 01:04 | jcamins_away | To go with the cookies currently in the oven and the two batches of fudge in the fridge. |
| 01:09 | wizzyrea: this is what I'm making: http://candy.about.com/od/toff[…]altine_toffee.htm | |
| 01:10 | wizzyrea | spud and I just wow'd at this: http://youtu.be/BVsIAa2XNKc |
| 01:20 | dani | How goes? |
| 01:40 | wizzyrea | ah well enuf |
| 01:40 | dani | :) |
| 01:43 | jcamins_away | There aren't enough saltines!! :'( |
| 01:46 | dani | Doh! |
| 01:46 | Thought I'd drop in. I'm rarely around much these days. | |
| 01:49 | New job is great but *busy* and I'm a university student as well. | |
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| 02:16 | dani left #koha | |
| 05:43 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:44 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:46 | luisb joined #koha | |
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| 07:38 | luisb joined #koha | |
| 07:49 | luisb joined #koha | |
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| 10:19 | mbalmer joined #koha | |
| 10:19 | mbalmer | salvate! |
| 10:33 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 13:24 | cait | silent |
| 15:09 | mbalmer | (psssst!) |
| 15:32 | jcamins_away | Bug 5843. |
| 15:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5843 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , semicolon preceded by space in 490 subfield a (Series statement) causes search to time out |
| 15:32 | jcamins_away | Think I can reproduce it? |
| 15:32 | It was quite a big problem back in 3.2. | |
| 15:32 | But I haven't noticed it in a while. | |
| 15:35 | cait | hmm |
| 15:35 | let me see the report | |
| 15:35 | * jcamins | is testing. |
| 15:36 | cait | hm |
| 15:36 | I don't think we use $v in the link | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | No, of course not. |
| 15:36 | cait | a |
| 15:36 | h | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | That's correct. |
| 15:36 | cait | I think I understand now |
| 15:36 | $a ends with ; | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | C4::Search-- |
| 15:36 | Right. | |
| 15:37 | C4::Search-- | |
| 15:38 | C4::Search-- | |
| 15:39 | cait | C4::Search-- |
| 15:39 | @karma | |
| 15:39 | huginn | cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (511), "oleonard" (440), and "wizzyrea" (293). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-71), and "-" (-41). You (cait) are ranked 6 out of 1962. |
| 15:39 | jcamins | @karma C4::Search |
| 15:39 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 16 times for a total karma of -16. |
| 15:39 | cait | hm still not lowest karma |
| 15:39 | @karma Search.pm | |
| 15:39 | huginn | cait: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | cait: could you try 5328? |
| 15:43 | cait | bug 5328 |
| 15:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5328 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Patron Messaging Preferences Table Is Missing Checkboxes |
| 15:43 | cait | oh |
| 15:43 | I thought that was fixe | |
| 15:43 | d | |
| 15:43 | give me a sec, I will look at it after 6735 | |
| 15:43 | jcamins | cait: it works for me. |
| 15:44 | cait: but I want a second opinion, since I don't use that area much. | |
| 15:48 | cait | ok |
| 15:48 | i wil take a look :) | |
| 15:48 | we should get some numbers | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | Numbers for what? |
| 15:52 | cait | uhoh |
| 15:52 | like total bugs | |
| 15:52 | before we sart | |
| 15:52 | can you check something? | |
| 15:52 | I activated enhancedmessaging | |
| 15:52 | searched for a patron | |
| 15:52 | and clicked on the edit link for the enh messaging table | |
| 15:52 | and I see the heading, but not the table, nothing | |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Uh-oh. |
| 15:54 | Yikes! | |
| 15:54 | Same thing here. | |
| 15:54 | cait | ok |
| 15:54 | hey, it can be reproduced | |
| 15:54 | that's good at least | |
| 15:54 | jcamins | :/ |
| 15:54 | cait | it works from the detail page with all fields for me |
| 15:54 | so what's going wrong here hm | |
| 15:55 | I see no errors in the log or in javascript | |
| 16:01 | jcamins: any ideas? | |
| 16:01 | wahanui | any ideas are welcome :) |
| 16:01 | jcamins | cait: none. :( |
| 16:03 | cait | ok |
| 16:03 | I have filed 7558 | |
| 16:03 | now going to look at the messaging problem | |
| 16:04 | jcamins | FTR, it's a miracle memberentry.pl works at all. |
| 16:04 | I can't follow the code at all. | |
| 16:08 | cait | yeah |
| 16:08 | it needs a rewrite | |
| 16:08 | adnc joined #koha | |
| 16:08 | cait | it#s also horrible to translate |
| 16:08 | lots of combined strings | |
| 16:08 | does not make any sense at all with different grammar | |
| 16:08 | I am checking git for recent changes | |
| 16:13 | I am not spotting it | |
| 16:16 | jcamins: have you figured out what opadd is? | |
| 16:20 | :( | |
| 16:20 | even if I set all the if to 1 it's still not showing up | |
| 16:21 | janPasi | translating koha is really... hmm... interesting |
| 16:21 | though i haven't actually traslated anything in 3.x series | |
| 16:21 | cait | what is your problem janPasi? |
| 16:21 | janPasi | it was the older koha with nelsonville templates |
| 16:22 | numerous :D | |
| 16:22 | cait | start withone? |
| 16:22 | janPasi | english really doesn't translate well to finnish |
| 16:22 | from and to | |
| 16:22 | we express it completely differently | |
| 16:22 | we don't have anything that even close resembles the words from and to | |
| 16:23 | because we use cases for that | |
| 16:23 | which means suffixing words (or rather word-bodies) with the suffix on the case in question | |
| 16:24 | but that's not specifically a problem with koha | |
| 16:24 | it's a problem with any software translation | |
| 16:26 | so the way you would even begin translating words like that would depend highly on the context | |
| 16:26 | which isn't always clear in koha or other software | |
| 16:26 | cait | i understand |
| 16:26 | not sure how to resolve this .( | |
| 16:26 | janPasi | me neither :D |
| 16:26 | don't worry, it's not your fault ;D | |
| 16:26 | cait | you could start with a bug, explainign the problem and perhaps suggesting how it shoudl be built to make it easier |
| 16:27 | mbalmer | perkileinen! |
| 16:27 | janPasi | mbalmer: that doesn't really mean anything ;D |
| 16:27 | perkeleinen would mean a small perkele | |
| 16:27 | mbalmer | but it sounds finnish, you must admit that ;) |
| 16:27 | janPasi | a diminutive swearword |
| 16:27 | mbalmer | yes. |
| 16:27 | janPasi | it's cute really :D |
| 16:28 | mbalmer | it's used in the BSD community, or at least some |
| 16:28 | janPasi | perkeleellinen would mean something like hellish |
| 16:29 | well, like i said | |
| 16:30 | i haven't tried translating 3.x koha versions | |
| 16:30 | so i can't really tell much about the problems with that | |
| 16:31 | mbalmer | janPasi, the words comes from Elaekeleiset, iirc |
| 16:31 | janPasi | that's also wrong ;) |
| 16:32 | you can't substitute ä with ae in finnish | |
| 16:32 | mbalmer | Eläkeleiset, then ;) |
| 16:32 | janPasi | yeah, that's correct :) |
| 16:32 | well almost, it's Eläkeläiset | |
| 16:33 | mbalmer | perfectionist ;) |
| 16:33 | janPasi | :D |
| 16:33 | well can and cat are two different things, aren't they ;) | |
| 16:33 | as are cat and cut | |
| 16:35 | in the same way same way hänkö? = (s)he? | |
| 16:35 | hanko = pitchfork | |
| 16:35 | haenko? = shall i get? | |
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| 16:36 | mbalmer | haenko hanko?, shall I get a pitchfork? |
| 16:37 | janPasi | almost, haenko hangon |
| 16:37 | would be correct :D | |
| 16:37 | hangon = the whole pitchfork | |
| 16:39 | the case in that is genitive | |
| 16:39 | that's why it becomes hangon, instead of hanko | |
| 16:40 | we have 13 cases | |
| 16:40 | and then some that are limited | |
| 16:42 | cait | hah, take this you bug! |
| 16:43 | 13! | |
| 16:43 | and I thought russian was bad with | |
| 16:43 | 6 | |
| 16:44 | jcamins | cait++ |
| 16:45 | janPasi | well, hungarian and estonian have more ;D |
| 16:46 | and if you use the wrong case, then the meaning changes (of course) | |
| 16:46 | haenko hankoa? = am i searching for a pitchfork? | |
| 16:46 | that would be partitive case | |
| 16:47 | you sort of wish to see a part of the pirchfork in question ;D | |
| 16:49 | pitchfork even | |
| 16:52 | cait | glad I never tried to learn finnish :) |
| 16:52 | jcamins: patch is ready for testing ;) | |
| 16:52 | if you actually have time to take a look, plz check I didn't break the passwort thingy | |
| 16:52 | jcamins | bug 7559? |
| 16:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7559 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Edit links for patron attributes and messaging preferences are broken |
| 16:53 | cait | gonna look at 7558 next |
| 16:53 | bug 7558 | |
| 16:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7558 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Serial issue note doubled up in full history |
| 16:53 | jcamins | You mean the new default password thing, right? |
| 16:56 | janPasi | cait: well... it's slightly different, that's for sure :D |
| 16:57 | cait | jcamins: right :) |
| 16:57 | janPasi: I already thought everyone trying to learn german is insane... now I think perhpas learning finnish is worse :) | |
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| 16:58 | janPasi | that probably depends where you originally come from |
| 16:58 | and what is your native language | |
| 16:58 | but yeah, finnish is notoriously difficult for most europeans | |
| 16:59 | italians pick up the pronunciation immediately, though | |
| 16:59 | they produce flawless finnish in no time at all | |
| 16:59 | but i think the case-system is just as difficult for them as it is to other europeans | |
| 17:00 | in addition, there are other things you need to worry about | |
| 17:00 | like the vowel-harmony | |
| 17:00 | jcamins | That's what scared me off Hungarian. |
| 17:01 | janPasi | i love the sound of hungarian |
| 17:01 | it's one of my favourite languages, definitely | |
| 17:01 | though i don't speak a word of it :D | |
| 17:03 | jcamins | How does the auto-password thing work? |
| 17:03 | cait | jcamins: not sure :P |
| 17:03 | jcamins | cait: I can't figure it out. |
| 17:03 | cait | hm |
| 17:03 | let me see | |
| 17:03 | janPasi: :) | |
| 17:04 | jcamins: the link looks a bit weird to me | |
| 17:04 | I am looking at th eform that you reach from the toolbar | |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:04 | * jcamins | didn't expect it to be there. |
| 17:04 | cait | it doesn't look right I think |
| 17:04 | and my entry is not masked? | |
| 17:05 | jcamins | It's not supposed to be masked. |
| 17:05 | cait | ah ok |
| 17:05 | jcamins | I think it works "properly." |
| 17:05 | cait | but why have 2 field sthen? |
| 17:05 | I think it works nicely in the patron edit form | |
| 17:05 | but the change password screen from the toolbar looks kinda wrong | |
| 17:05 | hm should make a mental note to ask owen about it | |
| 17:06 | jcamins | cait: because you can also specify a password yourself. |
| 17:06 | cait | yes, but the link still looks wrong |
| 17:06 | jcamins | It does, but it looks like that with or without the patch. |
| 17:08 | cait | yep |
| 17:08 | didn't touch that part | |
| 17:08 | janPasi | how many tables are there in koha database? |
| 17:08 | cait | hm around 130 I think |
| 17:08 | jcamins | janPasi: 134. |
| 17:08 | cait | :) |
| 17:09 | janPasi | that's a lot :D |
| 17:09 | cait | it could be worse :) |
| 17:09 | do you have a specific question? | |
| 17:10 | jcamins | Why aren't I making biscuits right now? |
| 17:10 | cait | because we distracted you |
| 17:10 | jcamins | So you did. |
| 17:10 | Shame on you. | |
| 17:12 | janPasi | specific question, me? |
| 17:12 | errm... no, not really | |
| 17:13 | not at the moment anyway | |
| 17:13 | jcamins | Also, why isn't the cinnamon bread done? :( |
| 17:14 | janPasi | i just thought i'd comment the translation thingy |
| 17:14 | since i've been doing something with it | |
| 17:20 | cait | not even the cinnamon bread! |
| 17:20 | jcamins | cait: no! |
| 17:22 | cait | scandalous! |
| 17:25 | jcamins | Now it's done. |
| 17:25 | And delicious. | |
| 17:26 | cait | yum |
| 17:28 | janPasi | hmm |
| 17:29 | what kind of bread is cinnamon bread? | |
| 17:29 | it it sweet? | |
| 17:29 | is it, even | |
| 17:29 | or salty bread with cinnamon? | |
| 17:32 | jcamins | Sweet. |
| 17:32 | I made... | |
| 17:32 | janPasi | ok, i see :) |
| 17:32 | jcamins | This: http://budgetbytes.blogspot.co[…]24-recipe-10.html |
| 17:32 | Well, except no raisins. | |
| 17:32 | janPasi | i see |
| 17:33 | jcamins | And a mixture of flours. |
| 17:33 | janPasi | looks nice |
| 17:33 | jcamins | And some milk to replace some of the water. |
| 17:33 | janPasi | so it's like that, but nothing at all like that :D |
| 17:34 | jcamins | Now you got it. :) |
| 17:34 | Biscuit time. | |
| 17:34 | * jcamins | goes forth to make mozzarella-hot pepper biscuits. |
| 17:36 | cait | mmh |
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| 18:49 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:49 | cait | morning rangi |
| 18:55 | * jcamins | waits impatiently for the biscuits to be done. |
| 18:55 | jcamins | Morning, rangi. |
| 18:56 | rangi | Hi cait and jcamins |
| 18:56 | * cait | waits impatiently for the biscuits too ;) |
| 19:00 | jcamins | Almost done. :) |
| 19:00 | What else should I bake? | |
| 19:00 | cait | hmmm |
| 19:01 | jcamins | I have brownies, sandtarts, two varieties of fudge, club cracker chocolate toffee candies, beer bread, cinnamon bread, mozzarella-hot pepper biscuits... |
| 19:01 | Actually, I think that's about it. | |
| 19:01 | cait | oooh |
| 19:01 | I so want to taste all that | |
| 19:09 | jcamins | These biscuits are weird. |
| 19:09 | cait | I can take care of them for you... |
| 19:10 | jcamins | :) |
| 19:42 | Hehe. | |
| 19:42 | * jcamins | likes the description of bug 4321. |
| 19:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4321 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , C4::Biblio::GetBiblio is badly coded |
| 19:42 | cait | badly coded? |
| 19:42 | :) | |
| 19:43 | jcamins | Yup. That's the entire description of the problem. |
| 19:44 | Has anyone used bulkmarcimport recently? | |
| 20:05 | cait | nope |
| 20:05 | jcamins++ | |
| 20:08 | jcamins | What did I do? |
| 20:12 | cait | bug work :) |
| 20:18 | jcamins | Ah. :) |
| 20:21 | rangi | hmm corporate author .. thats 110 .. so authority is 410 right? |
| 20:21 | jcamins | rangi: 110. |
| 20:21 | 410 would be see-from. | |
| 20:21 | rangi | ah ta |
| 20:23 | Space_Librarian joined #koha | |
| 20:23 | Space_Librarian | o/ Morning all! |
| 20:24 | rangi | hi Space_Librarian |
| 20:24 | Space_Librarian | hey Rangi |
| 20:28 | cait | morning Space_Librarian |
| 20:28 | rangi | jcamins: and publisher? |
| 20:28 | jcamins | rangi: you just use corporate headings for authors: 110/410/510 in authorities. |
| 20:29 | rangi | ahh for publisher too? sweet as |
| 20:29 | cool thanks | |
| 20:29 | and last one, is series | |
| 20:29 | jcamins | Series is trickier. |
| 20:30 | Probably 130/430/530, but it's also possible to have a series under x00 or x10. | |
| 20:31 | rangi | hmm yeah |
| 20:31 | ill go for the 130 ones | |
| 20:31 | the nice thing is, no sees (from or also in these ones) | |
| 20:31 | jcamins | Yeah, that's good. |
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| 21:04 | rangi | Space_Librarian: are you on the nz-libs mailing list? |
| 21:05 | Space_Librarian | I am |
| 21:06 | rangi | did my rant come through? |
| 21:06 | * jcamins | is sorry he missed rangi's rant. |
| 21:06 | rangi | heh |
| 21:06 | Space_Librarian | I'll get it at midday with the digest. You're ranting? Can't wait! |
| 21:06 | rangi | i did on saturday |
| 21:06 | cait | lol |
| 21:07 | rangi | but i fear it never made it through |
| 21:07 | cait | no archives? |
| 21:07 | rangi | no public ones |
| 21:08 | hmm nope it didnt weird | |
| 21:09 | * rangi | will paste it for posterity |
| 21:09 | Space_Librarian | no, it didn't. Just checked... |
| 21:10 | pastebot | "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "words have meaning rant" (45 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/263 |
| 21:12 | ibeardslee | nice |
| 21:14 | rangi | maybe it doesnt like it when you only cc the list .. who knows |
| 21:14 | i feel better for having written it anyway :) | |
| 21:20 | Space_Librarian | nicely put! |
| 21:20 | jcamins | :) |
| 21:20 | Very nice. | |
| 21:29 | mbalmer | evening. or should I say "night" ;) |
| 21:39 | eythian | I just got a spam that I think was a stock pumping one under the guise of someone looking for a job. It was quite odd. |
| 21:42 | Space_Librarian | sounds odd indeed |
| 21:42 | jcamins | "If you give me a job I'll give you a can't-miss stock tip"? |
| 21:44 | eythian | No, "I'm looking for a job. As well as being a web designer, I also look at the stock market and recently bought shares in XXXX at $1/share. [snip a paragraph about why that's a good investment] I also like to cook, and my favourite dish is...." |
| 21:44 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:46 | Space_Librarian | inventive |
| 21:47 | cjh | heh |
| 21:47 | jcamins | cjh: how goes the testing of 7284? Did you see I rebased? |
| 22:02 | eythian | http://www.debian.org/legal/patent <-- interesting |
| 22:03 | especially point 3, which is an aspect I'd never thought of but makes a lot of sense | |
| 22:03 | jcamins | YUP. |
| 22:03 | Sorry about the caps. | |
| 22:03 | eythian | I just thought you were excited about it. |
| 22:03 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:06 | rangi | speaking of which |
| 22:06 | jcamins | Exciting things like bug 7284? :) |
| 22:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements |
| 22:07 | rangi | we should really upgrade our distribution to gpl v3 or later |
| 22:07 | cjh | jcamins: havent looked at your new rebase, after dealing with the zebra reindexing issue it seemed atleast as good as the old script for the data i was using, will test some more a little later |
| 22:07 | jcamins | :) |
| 22:08 | rangi | all the debain/scripts/* already are so technically we need to either strip them |
| 22:08 | or release as gplv3 | |
| 22:08 | jcamins | cjh: if you wanted to note that on the bug, that'd be great. |
| 22:08 | Sign off also much-appreciated. :) | |
| 22:08 | eythian | rangi: well, it basically means that the distribution is GPL3 unless you strip out those scripts, as the GPL2 stuff will auto-upgrade. |
| 22:09 | rangi | thats what i mean |
| 22:09 | eythian | oh OK |
| 22:09 | rangi | but our LICENSE file is gpl2 |
| 22:09 | ie, we are doing it wrong :) | |
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| 22:10 | rangi | or at least confusingly |
| 22:10 | maybe ill put it on the agenda for next irc meeting | |
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| 22:52 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:57 | eythian | http://i.imgur.com/aRMcz.png |
| 22:58 | jcamins | eythian: lol |
| 22:58 | * jcamins | needed that. |
| 23:06 | Space_Librarian | rangi, I see your rant didn't even make it to today's digest |
| 23:07 | rangi | yeah it must be in moderation queue |
| 23:07 | or just thrown on the floor | |
| 23:42 | luisb joined #koha | |
| 23:59 | Phlunk3 joined #koha | |
| 23:59 | Phlunk3 | can anyone tell me how passwords are encoded in the borrowers table? |
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