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| 00:37 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 00:37 | huginn` | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 12.8°C (4:37 PM PST on February 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PST Tuesday... |
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| 01:49 | eythian | So when I translate the templates to en-NZ, I get german in one place. A little unexpected. |
| 01:50 | rangi | probably some german in the po file somewhere? |
| 01:50 | eythian | I guess so, haven't looked just yet |
| 01:51 | rangi | i know there is some norwegian |
| 01:51 | from the normarc stuff | |
| 01:51 | eythian | this is in the syspref descriptions |
| 01:51 | rangi | hmmm |
| 01:51 | thats the smallest of the .po files | |
| 01:52 | so should be easy to check | |
| 01:53 | pastebot | "eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "It's a problem for a few people..." (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/258 |
| 01:54 | rangi | hmm bad merge ? |
| 01:54 | eythian | Not obviously |
| 01:54 | rangi | i meant at pootle |
| 01:54 | eythian | Oh, possibly |
| 01:55 | rangi | funny |
| 01:55 | 3.6 or master? | |
| 01:55 | eythian | 3.6 |
| 01:56 | rangi | yeah its in the file on pootle |
| 01:56 | but no idea how it got there :) | |
| 01:56 | http://translate.koha-communit[…]ce&sfields=target | |
| 01:57 | eythian | yeah. Just updated them in pootle. |
| 02:24 | jcamins_away | eythian: did you have any problems building 3.6.3? |
| 02:24 | eythian | jcamins_away: yeah |
| 02:24 | broken tests causing issues | |
| 02:24 | jcamins_away | Yup. |
| 02:24 | eythian | CHeck bug 929 for the patch you probably need |
| 02:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=929 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , See details of a budget |
| 02:25 | jcamins_away | Heh. |
| 02:25 | That's what I did to fix it too. | |
| 02:26 | Thanks. | |
| 02:26 | Just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me. | |
| 02:28 | eythian | cool |
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| 03:07 | Judit | hi |
| 03:07 | wahanui | privet, Judit |
| 03:07 | Judit | privet? what language is that |
| 03:08 | russian! | |
| 03:13 | Space_Librarian | goeie middag Judit ;) |
| 03:13 | Judit | well well |
| 03:13 | dutch< | |
| 03:13 | ? | |
| 03:14 | afrikaans? | |
| 03:15 | Space_Librarian | afrikaans, yes |
| 03:16 | goeie middag -> good afternoon | |
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| 03:30 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
| 03:40 | bag | heya Amit_Gupta |
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| 05:40 | cait | hi #koha |
| 05:40 | Judit | hi |
| 05:41 | cait | hi Judit |
| 05:41 | Judit | good morning? is it to you? |
| 05:41 | cait | yes :) |
| 05:42 | Judit | check out google.com :) |
| 05:42 | cait | I did |
| 05:42 | Judit | i just love the doodle today |
| 05:43 | cait | :) |
| 05:44 | Judit | and i dont like the pink sugarcoated 14th of febr |
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| 05:51 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
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| 06:34 | rangi | wow |
| 06:34 | ppl never cease to amaze me | |
| 06:34 | cait | morning rangi |
| 06:34 | is this good or bad? | |
| 06:36 | rangi | latest email to the list |
| 06:37 | contains nothing at all that could be used to actually help the person | |
| 06:38 | cait | ah |
| 06:38 | right | |
| 06:38 | and it's one of my old screenshots with a weird test user | |
| 06:40 | rangi | any idea what bug its actually attached to? |
| 06:41 | cait | the yellow box bug |
| 06:42 | I think it was a problem with missing confirmation when checking out to someone with overdues | |
| 06:42 | perhaps bug 4036 | |
| 06:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING |
| 06:43 | cait | yep |
| 06:45 | rangi | want me to answer, or will you? |
| 06:46 | * rangi | does it |
| 06:47 | cait | thx |
| 06:47 | I think someone else already pointed out that only an update will help here | |
| 06:48 | rangi | yep i did it again |
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| 06:53 | SFM | cant access to books ooac view |
| 06:53 | An Error has Occurred Error 404 | |
| 06:53 | any help? | |
| 07:04 | Amit_Gupta | heya cait, ranig |
| 07:27 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:27 | wahanui | niihau, alex_a |
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| 07:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:38 | wahanui | salut, reiveune |
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| 07:48 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
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| 08:03 | Amit_Gupta | heya magnuse |
| 08:04 | magnuse | namaste Amit_Gupta |
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| 08:17 | kf | morning mbalmer |
| 08:17 | mbalmer | hi kathrin! hi #koha |
| 08:17 | magnuse | guten tak kf and mbalmer |
| 08:18 | kf | mbalmer: without h plz |
| 08:18 | hi magnuse | |
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| 08:19 | kf | hi gaetan_B |
| 08:19 | gaetan_B | hi #koha, hi kf :) |
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| 08:24 | kf | hi matts |
| 08:24 | matts | hi ! |
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| 08:25 | magnuse | bonjour gaetan_B matts sophie_m |
| 08:51 | Amit_Gupta | heya gaetan_B :D |
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| 08:57 | animut | hi SFM |
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| 09:00 | animut | is there any one? |
| 09:03 | Amit_Gupta | heya animut |
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| 09:34 | Amit_Gupta | heya slef |
| 09:34 | slef around? | |
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| 10:36 | grharry | is there a parameter to log all queries issued in the database ?? |
| 10:37 | kf | search queries? |
| 10:37 | grharry | yes ... |
| 10:39 | I suspect that the perl fmwork blows apart after I glanced some code ... my authorities table is 290000 rows and it seems that authorities search selects them all into mem. | |
| 10:40 | Or most probably I am talking rubbish .... NEWBIE HERE | |
| 10:43 | magnuse | grharry: you can make mysql log all queries |
| 10:44 | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]en/query-log.html | |
| 10:44 | i think | |
| 10:44 | just be aware that that log grows real big real quick, so remember to turn it off again when your curiosity is sated :-) | |
| 10:48 | grharry | tnx however If I may ask .... :-( after importing the authorities marc records I saw in the database table auth_header field authtypecode filed with either ('CO,CO_UNI_TI,FAM .... etc ) which values are hardcoded in the perl code ... what are these ???? :-| |
| 10:48 | magnuse | sorry, i have no idea... |
| 10:49 | perhaps kf knows? | |
| 10:52 | kf | grharry: authority types |
| 10:52 | check: administration > authority frameworks :) | |
| 10:52 | the type of the heading determines the type of an authority | |
| 10:52 | for example | |
| 10:53 | if your authority has 100 as main entry, it will be a person | |
| 10:59 | grharry | during my import had 13487 errors with invalid authtypecode ... after I modified the table to enable null values in the authypecode they imported but with authtypecode=''; |
| 11:00 | BTW even though the definition of the auth_header table allows EMPTY values of '' the import breaks ... | |
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| 11:09 | slef | eythian: no worries. Easily fixed. |
| 11:10 | mib_3jil6p | hey |
| 11:10 | Availability: No items available: in the opac how can i fix this | |
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| 11:11 | mib_jz73m4 | hey |
| 11:13 | grharry | mib_.etc : as far as I know ( and is very little ) you have to fill the biblioitems detail table or if item in marc record you specify the field from the admin ; |
| 11:14 | mib_jz73m4 | grharry |
| 11:14 | wahanui | i heard grharry was sure I did but with no success ... !! :-( |
| 11:15 | grharry | search and U shall find !!! |
| 11:16 | mib_jz73m4 | in my opac no item available but i fill all biblio |
| 11:17 | hey | |
| 11:20 | grharry | with out being certain issue this to check your database: select count(*) from biblioitems, biblio where biblioitems.biblioitemnumber = biblio.biblionumber; |
| 11:21 | kf | grharry: I think null values are not good here. you should always have a main entry for your authorities |
| 11:26 | mib_jz73m4: I think you might want to reindex, filling biblioitems manually is not a good idea | |
| 11:26 | mib_jz73m4: do you have items added to your records? | |
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| 12:07 | magnuse | kf++ |
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| 12:45 | tcohen | morning #koha |
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| 12:53 | kyle | morning all, Bug 4045 needs input. If anyone here at the moment can take a look and read my latest comment, I would be very greatful. It's a serious problem and I'm looking for more input before I proceed with a solution. |
| 12:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No check for maximum number of allowed holds. |
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| 13:00 | kf | morning kyle |
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| 13:21 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:42 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 13:42 | oleonard | Hi kf |
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| 13:50 | kf | hm |
| 13:50 | problems with bugzilla? | |
| 13:51 | kyle: I wanted to comment on the bug | |
| 13:51 | kyle: there is an itemtype on bib level that should be used when item-level itypes is set to biblio (to make tihings even more complicated) | |
| 14:02 | oleonard | Bugzilla is slow but working for me kf |
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| 14:02 | * oleonard | is surprised that kyle is surprised that there are problems with holds policies :P |
| 14:05 | kf | oleonard: the whole idea of holds is nuts |
| 14:05 | no it isn't | |
| 14:06 | but thinking about it gives me headache | |
| 14:06 | and I think part of the reason it's so hard is that we don't distinguish between different kinds of requests | |
| 14:07 | hm, Nicole just advertised maxreserves on the mailing list :( - perhaps we should point to the bug too? | |
| 14:29 | nengard | what did I do? |
| 14:30 | kf | nengard: nothing wrong - only there is a bug |
| 14:30 | maxreserves in circulaton rules does not work really - bug 4045 | |
| 14:30 | nengard | oh yeah |
| 14:30 | i do know the bug | |
| 14:30 | :) | |
| 14:30 | kf | I treid commenting - longest comment ever I think |
| 14:30 | and not sure anyone can make sense of it | |
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| 14:41 | chris_n | kf++ #nice comment :) |
| 14:42 | kf | so it made sense to you? |
| 14:42 | yay | |
| 14:42 | chris_n | yes |
| 14:43 | sounds like the feature was rushed | |
| 14:43 | kf | I think perhaps from a library using biblio level itypes |
| 14:43 | it makes sense then | |
| 14:43 | chris_n | and would have benefited from our new "in discussion" status |
| 14:43 | kf | yes, that's for sure |
| 14:44 | and it wouldn't have made it past qa I hope | |
| 14:44 | there is not a lot worse than offering configuration options for non implemented / non working features | |
| 14:45 | chris_n | yup |
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| 14:51 | kf | hi sophie_m |
| 14:51 | :) | |
| 14:55 | kyle | oleonard: not too suprised, but definitely worse than i expected! |
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| 15:01 | data_doctor | fredpierre is data_doctor |
| 15:01 | good morning from ohio | |
| 15:01 | magnuse | good morning, ohio! |
| 15:02 | kf | good morning data_doctor from Germany |
| 15:02 | data_doctor | we had a bit of snow this morning, it's expected to warm up though |
| 15:03 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 15:03 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (3:50 PM CET on February 14, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:03 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 15:03 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.3°C (3:59 PM CET on February 14, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:04 | data_doctor | how do you do that weather thing? |
| 15:05 | I have a feeling our friends in New Zealand are about to wake up to a pleasant Summer day! | |
| 15:06 | magnuse | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 15:06 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (3:00 AM NZDT on February 15, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:07 | data_doctor | @wunder Kent, OH |
| 15:07 | huginn` | data_doctor: The current temperature in Downtown/Kent, Ohio is -0.2°C (10:03 AM EST on February 14, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:07 | data_doctor | I like it! |
| 15:07 | magnuse | hehe |
| 15:08 | data_doctor | i'm still working on fines today. We have had some amusement with our billing. |
| 15:09 | We print the accountline category on our billing. Most fines are tagged "F" but I believe that items currently accruing (currently checked out) show "FU" | |
| 15:10 | We've had some patrons ask why their bill says fine type "FU" | |
| 15:10 | I think I will try to hide that column in our billing script | |
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| 15:11 | magnuse | data_doctor: lol :-) |
| 15:11 | kf | magnuse++ |
| 15:11 | * magnuse | waves to wizzyrea |
| 15:12 | kf | hi wizzyrea :) |
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| 15:14 | data_doctor | we ran our repair script last night to renumber the accountlines with max accoutno 32767 |
| 15:14 | Looks like it worked, no 32767's any more! very groovy... | |
| 15:15 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 15:15 | huginn` | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 29.0°C (12:00 PM ART on February 14, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:16 | data_doctor | what's up with the 3.8 development? |
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| 15:17 | data_doctor | i'm kinda new here, and we are still on 3.5. I'm trying to get it together to upgrade to 3.6 |
| 15:17 | but we have a lot of customization for our tech services folks | |
| 15:17 | magnuse | data_doctor: going a long at a steady pace, i'd say, but could need some help with signing off patches http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
| 15:17 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 15:18 | data_doctor | means lots of fixes have to be implemented. hoping to get on the main track and feed back to the community after 3.6 upgrade |
| 15:18 | magnus_afk | data_doctor++ |
| 15:18 | data_doctor | thanks magnuse - I will look at that! |
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| 15:26 | wizzyrea | data_doctor: http://koha-community.org/koha[…]letter-3-2012-01/ also this |
| 15:26 | I think he does them monthly? | |
| 15:26 | that's the first that's been on the website. | |
| 15:37 | oleonard | data_doctor: Are you filing bugs for your fixes/changes? |
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| 16:11 | kf | hi JesseM |
| 16:11 | JesseM | Hi kf :) |
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| 16:14 | data_doctor | Hi oleonard! Yes, I try to file bugs when I find them, or add notes to current bugs. |
| 16:15 | kf | data_doctor++ |
| 16:15 | oleonard | I refer specifically to customizations you plan to submit |
| 16:15 | data_doctor | We're a small team here, so it can be hard to keep up sometimes. |
| 16:15 | I am keeping a local list. | |
| 16:15 | Unfortunately, because we are using 3.5 base | |
| 16:15 | it's not very applicable to the current master | |
| 16:16 | oleonard | If you plan to submit them for inclusion in master eventually, it helps everyone if you submit bugs |
| 16:16 | data_doctor | Mostly we deal with MARC issues, some related to our legacy data |
| 16:16 | kf | yes, but if you plan to submit them, othres might not get started on developing |
| 16:16 | what oleonard says :) | |
| 16:16 | data_doctor | I will look over my list, and submit what I don't have up already! Thanks. |
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| 16:18 | data_doctor | I appreciate the help getting up to speed. |
| 16:19 | oleonard | And we appreciate your contributions |
| 16:19 | It's always worth the time to get people up to speed if the outcome is contributions :) | |
| 16:19 | data_doctor | :) |
| 16:20 | jcamins_away | data_doctor++ |
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| 16:25 | gaetan_B | bye #koha! |
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| 16:36 | jcamins_away | oleonard: what happened March 15, 1996? |
| 16:38 | oleonard | Thereabouts was the start of my second trip to Prague which ended up lasting about 6 months. |
| 16:40 | data_doctor | Minor planet 31019 discovered - http://www.wolframalpha.com/en[…]_planet/gr/8i/i9/ |
| 16:41 | jcamins_away | oleonard: Marseille may not be Prague, but it's not too bad. |
| 16:41 | :) | |
| 16:43 | oleonard: did you ever get to Budapest? | |
| 16:43 | oleonard | For a couple of days |
| 16:44 | jcamins_away | Greatest city in the world. |
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| 16:44 | oleonard | I didn't fall in love with it. Maybe I need a tour guide next time. |
| 16:45 | jcamins_away | oleonard: you just say that because you didn't meet your wife there. ;) |
| 16:47 | oleonard | No, but she did go with me :) |
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| 16:49 | jcamins_away | Oh, there's the problem. |
| 16:50 | * jcamins_away | attached the wrong patch to bug 6299. |
| 16:50 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms |
| 16:50 | kf | hi jcamins_away .) |
| 16:50 | jcamins_away | Hi kf. |
| 16:57 | Revised bug 6299. | |
| 16:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms |
| 16:59 | jcamins_away | Okay, bus time. |
| 16:59 | Bye. | |
| 17:00 | oleonard | Everyone with their buses... |
| 17:03 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 17:03 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.7°C (6:00 PM CET on February 14, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:03 | kf | hm not so cold tonight |
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| 17:05 | * wizzyrea | waves |
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| 17:27 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 17:28 | wizzyrea | byeeee |
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| 17:31 | yhager | While trying to create a guided report, I'm seeing this: Undefined subroutine &C4::Reports::Guided::themelanguage called at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reports/Guided.pm line 714 |
| 17:32 | koha-3.4.7 | |
| 17:40 | I've tried the obvious fixes (use C4::Templates), but it just generates other errors | |
| 17:47 | oleonard | I get the same error yhager |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | yhager: you are using translations? |
| 17:53 | oleonard | yhager: Comparing it to the version in master, I see at line 28 "use C4::Templates qw/themelanguage/;" |
| 17:53 | ...and in sub _get_column_defs, "my ($theme, $lang) = C4::Templates::themelanguage($htdocs, $columns_def_file, $section,$cgi);" | |
| 17:54 | Copying these into the 3.4.8 version seems to fix the error | |
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| 17:57 | cait | hi #koha |
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| 18:02 | Rajiv | hi |
| 18:02 | I am new to Koha. | |
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| 18:02 | Rajiv | Please want to find out which ver of Koha is for Debian |
| 18:03 | cait | bug 4045 - lol |
| 18:03 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , No check for maximum number of allowed holds. |
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| 18:31 | yhager | oleonard: no translations. latest 3.4.x does not contain the fixes you mention |
| 18:32 | oleonard | No, but master has them. Did you try them? |
| 18:35 | yhager | I see this is bug #6755, which is marked as fixed. should I reopen it and ask to apply the patch onto 3.4.x branch too? |
| 18:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Problems with switching languages |
| 18:35 | cait | yhager: I think you can do that, but not sure the patches apply |
| 18:35 | yhager: you shoudl think about updating | |
| 18:36 | yhager | it does not apply cleanly, but it can be applied manually. |
| 18:37 | cait: does that mean that 3.4.x is not maintained anymore? | |
| 18:37 | cait | it is, but not much longer I think |
| 18:38 | 3.6.x is pretty stable and has a lot of nice features and bug fixes | |
| 18:38 | yhager | and I confirm it fixes the problem for 3.4.x. |
| 18:39 | well, if it was minor, it would have been 3.4.x, upgrading to a major version is not something I think of to be triggered by a bugfix | |
| 18:40 | cait | no, only saying you should perhaps plan |
| 18:40 | to update some time | |
| 18:40 | yhager | yes, I will, one day. But for now, I'm with 3.4 |
| 18:40 | cait | i think for now I would ask the r maint to add the patch to 3.4.x |
| 18:41 | yhager | I'll do that. Thanks for showing me the right direction (I was real close, I just don't know enough perl) |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Hello again, #koha. |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | hi there |
| 18:41 | wahanui | hello, wizzyrea |
| 18:41 | jcamins | I guess now that I'm off the bus, rangi is on one? |
| 18:41 | :) | |
| 18:41 | rangi | Yup |
| 18:43 | jcamins | oleonard does have a point about there being a lot of bus-riding. I guess we're very environmentally conscious. |
| 18:45 | rangi | :) |
| 18:48 | * cait | did walk |
| 18:50 | data_doctor | walking is good too! :) |
| 18:58 | cait | hehe yeah :) |
| 19:01 | rangi | My stop bbs |
| 19:04 | data_doctor | If it snows more I will have to ski to work! |
| 19:05 | I am excited to see the server side execution of data tables. That should speed up checkouts. | |
| 19:06 | Right now our circ stations are on xp, java execution is slow and patrons with lots of checkouts take forever as the table refreshes. | |
| 19:06 | cait | i think you will see some improvement in that part with 3.6/3.8 |
| 19:06 | data_doctor | very cool! |
| 19:13 | cait | I know some work was done to make circ faster |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | circ is much better now |
| 19:17 | specifically patrons with lots of checkouts is much much improved. | |
| 19:17 | oh he's gone lol | |
| 19:18 | * cait | /me sends wizzyrea chocolate |
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| 19:28 | wizzyrea | hehe it's all good |
| 19:28 | jcamins | paul_p: 6299 is ready for pushing. |
| 19:28 | :) | |
| 19:29 | paul_p | hi jcamins. |
| 19:30 | will push in a few minuts, now some time on the computer with my 2nd son Nathan | |
| 19:30 | (to buy some shoes) | |
| 19:30 | jcamins | Hi paul_p. |
| 19:30 | Hi Nathan! | |
| 19:31 | paul_p | nathan says "hi" |
| 19:31 | oleonard | paul_p: https://www.leatherup.com/l/Mo[…]cle-Boots/13.html ? |
| 19:32 | paul_p | oleonard very funny, but no, not those ones ;-) |
| 19:32 | jcamins | paul_p: I recommend http://www.lovaglocsizma.hu/index_eng.htm |
| 19:40 | * oleonard | suspects jcamins and his wife have matching pairs |
| 19:41 | jcamins | oleonard: no, Shari didn't get a pair, and she's very unhappy about that. |
| 19:41 | She'll get next time we go back. | |
| 19:42 | rangi | eythian++ #knocking the madness on the head before it spreads |
| 19:43 | nengard | bug 6960 needs some discussion :) |
| 19:43 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6960 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , staffaccess permission requires borrowers permission |
| 19:44 | jcamins | eythian++ |
| 19:44 | cait | eythian++ |
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| 19:50 | rangi | i still think for db stuff we should be looking at DBIX::Class::Schema .. not trying to reinvent the wheel |
| 19:57 | mbalmer | rangi, are you one of the ORM proponents? |
| 19:57 | rangi | no |
| 19:57 | mbalmer | good ;) |
| 19:57 | rangi | i didnt propose DBIx::Class |
| 19:58 | but DBIx::Class::Schema | |
| 19:58 | and ::Versioned | |
| 19:59 | mbalmer | layers of abstraction on top of layers of abstraction on top of layers of abstraction etc. ;) |
| 19:59 | rangi | the schema allows you to deploy a db on any dbi compatible database, without having to putz around with different .sql files |
| 20:00 | mbalmer | .. and without taking any of the advantages ot the underlying database either |
| 20:01 | rangi | ps im still waiting on an apology for you calling people i respect stupid and thick |
| 20:02 | mbalmer | continue to wait, then. |
| 20:02 | rangi | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]712d53363d7328037 |
| 20:02 | excellent, im glad i wasnt wrong in my opinion then .. good to know | |
| 20:03 | mbalmer | what's up with you? looking for an argument? |
| 20:04 | rangi | nope |
| 20:04 | mbalmer | is MEDIUMTEXT standard SQL or MySQL only? |
| 20:05 | rangi | the schema translates it using dbi |
| 20:05 | into the appropriate value for the underlying db | |
| 20:06 | mbalmer | so it knows you modelled you schema after MySQL and is able to translate this into, lets say SYBASE or PostgreSQL? |
| 20:06 | rangi | yes |
| 20:06 | mbalmer | smart! |
| 20:07 | rangi | even sqlite |
| 20:07 | which is handy for running tests | |
| 20:07 | mbalmer | how do you specifiy which DB dialct you use? |
| 20:09 | schuster | hmmm rangi thank you for this discussion today on schema translates - I know someone interested in that... |
| 20:10 | rangi | mbalmer: it uses http://search.cpan.org/~jrobin[…]SQL/Translator.pm |
| 20:10 | to do the translation | |
| 20:10 | mbalmer | maybe it would be better to use only standard SQL data types. |
| 20:10 | rangi | and when you create your schema object you can tell it what db to connect to |
| 20:10 | then when you run deploy, it knows how to translate | |
| 20:11 | yup, that was just one i created to deploy a postgres instance | |
| 20:11 | so created one from the existing mysql db, deployed on postgres | |
| 20:11 | once you have the schema files of course its easy to change them to be standard types | |
| 20:12 | mbalmer | I am scared by all these Perl libraries, they seem to solve every problem out there…. |
| 20:12 | need to take a closer look at this module. | |
| 20:13 | tnx for the pointer | |
| 20:13 | rangi | look at http://search.cpan.org/~abraxx[…]x/Class/Schema.pm too |
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| 20:18 | rangi | Space_Librarian: im up to 952r |
| 20:18 | getting there | |
| 20:19 | jcamins | 952r? |
| 20:19 | * jcamins | doesn't recognize that MARC tag. |
| 20:19 | rangi | date last seen jcamins |
| 20:20 | jcamins | Ah. Thanks. |
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| 20:24 | mbalmer | rangi will do. this is definitely brain food for marseille. |
| 20:24 | rangi | als |
| 20:24 | o | |
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| 20:24 | rangi | check out http://search.cpan.org/~arodla[…]hema/Versioned.pm |
| 20:24 | as a way to get rid of the updatedatabase.pl / atomicupdates | |
| 20:25 | at least for schema changes | |
| 20:25 | havent played with it yet, but its a promising idea | |
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| 20:26 | mbalmer | I have very elaborate DB updating software, but only for PostgreSQL, and this situation where sth should run on MySQL and PostgreSQL is kind of new for me, so I think these perl modules could indeed help. |
| 20:28 | Space_Librarian | rangi, have I told you how awesome you are today? |
| 20:28 | rangi | not yet |
| 20:28 | :) | |
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| 20:29 | Space_Librarian | You're ridiculously amazingly awesome. |
| 20:29 | rangi | awww shucks |
| 20:29 | paul_p | jcamins i've changed a little bit the updatedatabase description: (MARC21 only, and currently available for en, es, and fr only) [added MARC21 only, and ] |
| 20:30 | jcamins | paul_p: sounds good to me! |
| 20:32 | cjh | jcamins: re. work on bug 7248 when comparing it to the old linker script it appears the older one linked some bibs the newer one mixed, I didnt run either with any flags or options, was I doing something wrong? |
| 20:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7248 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, In Discussion , Caching for services |
| 20:32 | * cait | agress with Space_Librarian :) |
| 20:32 | Space_Librarian | ;) |
| 20:33 | jcamins | cjh: what were the headings that didn't link? |
| 20:34 | Actually, first question, what are you using to determine that? | |
| 20:34 | I fixed a bug in the linker script's verbose option... the old linker reported modifying bibs that it didn't actually change. | |
| 20:34 | cjh | yeah i noticed the modified numbers didnt make sense, but I ignored them |
| 20:35 | I just did some quick searching in auths/bibs to compare and noticed the older script seems to have caught cases the newer missed | |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Hrm. |
| 20:35 | It probably shouldn't be doing that. | |
| 20:35 | cjh | so nothing scientific, but the newer script linked j k rowling once, the older 32 times. |
| 20:36 | jcamins | !! |
| 20:36 | cjh | nothing scientific, it was a very quick and rough check |
| 20:36 | jcamins | Wait. |
| 20:36 | How did you count those? | |
| 20:36 | cjh | from the auths search page, 'used in' 'n biblios' |
| 20:37 | jcamins | cjh: that's going to be inaccurate for a while. |
| 20:37 | cjh | until a reindex? |
| 20:37 | jcamins | That's from Zebra. |
| 20:37 | Right. | |
| 20:37 | Well, or until zebraqueue catches up. | |
| 20:37 | cjh | I reindexed before running, cant remember if i did afterwards |
| 20:37 | * cjh | runs off to check |
| 20:37 | jcamins | Reindex isn't required, but it'll take a complete run-through. |
| 20:38 | (that is, no -r needed, but the -z will take a while) | |
| 20:43 | * jcamins | should have noted that in the commit message. |
| 20:43 | jcamins | Of course, that additional paragraph might have put everyone to sleep. |
| 20:43 | cjh | -a -z -b should suffice? |
| 20:43 | heh | |
| 20:43 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 20:44 | cjh | i wasnt using the newest patch from the bug, so that fixes the number reported? |
| 20:44 | jcamins: i withdraw my complaint, it seems like it was a case of pebkac :) | |
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| 20:46 | rangi | sup trea man |
| 20:46 | jcamins | cjh: no, the follow-up patch just adds more configuration options for the cataloging module. |
| 20:46 | trea | hi there rangi |
| 20:47 | jcamins | (unless you mean you were using one of the work-in-progress versions of patch 1, which definitely might cause issues) |
| 20:47 | trea | trying to figure out why a fresh package install shows up as being in maintenance, even after I run koha-enable |
| 20:47 | rangi | have you run the webinstaller side? |
| 20:47 | ie hit the staff side? | |
| 20:47 | jcamins | trea: webinstaller hasn't run yet? |
| 20:47 | rangi | snap |
| 20:48 | trea | that's prob true. didn't see the URL for the installer in the docs |
| 20:48 | i could have misread | |
| 20:48 | rangi | when you set up your conf |
| 20:48 | you would have set a suffix or prefix? | |
| 20:48 | so the url will be | |
| 20:48 | instancename-suffix.blah.blah | |
| 20:49 | eg demo-intra.catalyst | |
| 20:49 | trea | ah. that would do it. haven't setup any dns yet. |
| 20:49 | it's not on one of ours. just a demo for a potential client | |
| 20:49 | rangi | ah right |
| 20:49 | trea | so it's just on IP at present |
| 20:50 | rangi | yeah you'll need to either edit the apache conf for it |
| 20:50 | to put it on a port | |
| 20:50 | or get some dns | |
| 20:50 | trea | ok |
| 20:50 | easy enough | |
| 20:50 | jcamins | trea: if you're only accessing it from one computer, you can just use /etc/hosts. |
| 20:50 | rangi | or that |
| 20:51 | * jcamins | always likes to have an option C. |
| 20:51 | jcamins | :) |
| 20:51 | trea | true |
| 20:52 | * rangi | wanders off to do invoicing |
| 20:52 | * oleonard | hits himself on the thumb with a hammer to make rangi feel better about doing invoicing |
| 20:53 | * jcamins | hates invoicing. |
| 20:53 | jcamins | Getting paid is kind of nice, though. |
| 20:53 | cait | heh |
| 20:59 | can someone remind me why this distance study was a good idea? | |
| 20:59 | *sigh* | |
| 21:00 | jcamins | So you can learn things without being on campus? |
| 21:00 | :) | |
| 21:00 | cait | try again? |
| 21:01 | Space_Librarian | you can switch off during lectures? |
| 21:01 | * Space_Librarian | speaks from experience |
| 21:02 | cait | no idea what that means :) |
| 21:03 | trea | okay, got the installer working at least. can i pick arabic as the primary language from the web installer? |
| 21:03 | jcamins | nengard just demonstrated. |
| 21:03 | cait | trea: no |
| 21:03 | jcamins | trea: I wouldn't, but I suppose technically you could. |
| 21:03 | cait | oh |
| 21:03 | you can | |
| 21:03 | jcamins | cait: you can't? |
| 21:03 | cait | but you would have to install the templates first |
| 21:03 | and there are no sample files | |
| 21:04 | trea | okay, but i can just change it after the fact to arabic |
| 21:04 | cait | so it would hopefully fall back to english files anyway |
| 21:04 | jcamins: does i18n work now with packages? | |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | yea is the procedure the same for installing translations in packages? |
| 21:04 | * wizzyrea | didn't know |
| 21:05 | cait | wizzyrea: afaik there is something not finished yet with trnaslations and packages |
| 21:05 | eythian will know I guess? | |
| 21:05 | or magnus_afk | |
| 21:06 | jcamins | cait: it's a bit tricky. |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | that seems odd as i'm pretty sure eythian et al run packages with the en-NZ |
| 21:06 | translation | |
| 21:06 | wahanui | somebody said translation was done through the pref files |
| 21:07 | jcamins | wizzyrea: well, not tricky in the sense of "gee, that's difficult." |
| 21:07 | More in the sense of "you have to roll your own packages." | |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 21:10 | jcamins | trea: if the staff client is actually translated into Arabic, though, you might have a bit of trouble demoing. |
| 21:10 | trea: unless you speak Arabic? | |
| 21:10 | trea | it's only necessary to get the server online |
| 21:10 | we won't actually be demo'ing it for them | |
| 21:10 | but it's required that it use arabic | |
| 21:11 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 21:15 | Waylon (formerly genji) is the #koha denizen with the most experience using Koha with Arabic, as far as I know. | |
| 21:15 | He's using an old, very-hacked version, though. | |
| 21:20 | eythian | wizzyrea, trea: there are some experimental packages that build languages, but at the moment we just build it the normal way, that works fine. |
| 21:20 | trea | okay, what's "the normal way" |
| 21:20 | :D | |
| 21:21 | jcamins | eythian: the packages worked fine for me. |
| 21:21 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aff_client#Koha_3.2_and_3.4 <-- trea, down the bottom here. |
| 21:21 | change the path to koha-conf though | |
| 21:21 | wahanui | eythian: that doesn't look right |
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| 21:22 | trea | okay, i'll give this a shot eythian, thanks |
| 21:22 | eythian++ | |
| 21:22 | eythian | jcamins: cool. I've been meaning to give them a once-over to make sure, but I think they're pretty much ready to go too. |
| 21:25 | jcamins | eythian: I didn't test thoroughly, but it worked fine when I tried it. |
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| 21:40 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6598 [REVISED] OPACFineNoRenewals syspreference does not stop user renewing in... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aaea22a582c785d9b> / Bug 6299 follow-up DBrev <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ce5a866712af16174> / Bug 6299 - Advertise this addition during upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g |
| 21:45 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #625 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:47 | jcamins | Aww. That's disappointing. Patrons now have one fewer method for librarian-baiting. |
| 21:47 | No duplicate holds. | |
| 21:47 | ;) | |
| 21:48 | They're just going to be more creative now. | |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
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| 22:09 | jcamins | wizzyrea: don't say I didn't warn you. |
| 22:09 | :P | |
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| 22:13 | wizzyrea | you know it's funny, in our system people could really take or leave a lot of the catalog enhancements but boy |
| 22:13 | if there's a creative way to confuse circ | |
| 22:13 | they can do it | |
| 22:17 | Space_Librarian | sounds familiar here too, wizzyrea |
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| 22:39 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #625: SUCCESS in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/625/ |
| 22:39 | * tomascohen: Bug 6299 - Provide a list of authorized values for Relator terms | |
| 22:39 | * f.demians: Bug 6299 Add relator codes for fr-FR | |
| 22:40 | * tomascohen: Bug 6299 - add es-ES | |
| 22:40 | * tomascohen: Bug 6299 - Advertise this addition during upgrade | |
| 22:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, P3, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms |
| 22:40 | jenkins_koha | * paul.poulain: Bug 6299 follow-up DBrev |
| 22:40 | * oleonard: Bug 6598 [REVISED] OPACFineNoRenewals syspreference does not stop user renewing in opac | |
| 22:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6598 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPACFineNoRenewals syspreference does not stop user renewing in opac |
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| 22:55 | schuster | by all ... |
| 22:56 | rangi | cya schuster |
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