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| 03:18 | AmitG | heya chris gm |
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| 04:58 | AmitG | heya kmkale |
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| 05:13 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:41 | AmitG | heya cait :D |
| 05:43 | cait | hi AmitG :) |
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| 06:38 | kmkale | Namaskaar #koha |
| 06:41 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6210] Choose framework on Merge <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6210> |
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| 06:50 | cait | hi kmkale :) |
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| 07:22 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
| 07:23 | cait | bonjour alex_a :) |
| 07:23 | alex_a | cait: :) |
| 07:24 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:24 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.3°C (8:24 AM CET on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:24 | cait | brr. |
| 07:25 | alex_a | @wunder marseille |
| 07:25 | huginn | alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:00 AM CET on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:25 | alex_a | brr. too |
| 07:27 | cait | but I win :) |
| 07:27 | AmitG | @wunder New Delhi |
| 07:27 | huginn | AmitG: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 27.0°C (12:30 PM IST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
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| 07:27 | AmitG | @wunder Dehradun |
| 07:27 | huginn | AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 23.0°C (11:30 AM IST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa. |
| 07:27 | AmitG | @wunder Bangalore |
| 07:27 | huginn | AmitG: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0°C (11:30 AM IST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. |
| 07:27 | francharb | morning #koha |
| 07:28 | AmitG | heya francharb |
| 07:28 | wahanui | francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
| 07:28 | cait | hi francharb :) |
| 07:28 | ok, bbiab | |
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| 07:58 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:59 | kf | back |
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| 08:04 | asaurat | hi! |
| 08:05 | kf | hi asaurat, matts, sophie_m and hdl :) |
| 08:05 | sophie_m | heloo kk :-) |
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| 08:05 | matts | hi kf |
| 08:09 | hdl | hi kf |
| 08:11 | rangi | hi hdl asaurat matts and sophie_m |
| 08:11 | sophie_m | hi rangi |
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| 08:17 | clrh | hello |
| 08:18 | kf | hi clrh :) |
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| 08:21 | AmitG | heya hdl, kf |
| 08:22 | hdl | hi AmitG |
| 08:22 | kf | hi again AmitG |
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| 09:06 | rangi | wb slef |
| 09:06 | kf | mornig slef |
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| 09:47 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 09:47 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:48 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:48 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.7°C (10:45 AM CET on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:48 | kf | brr |
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| 10:13 | Carl | Hello there! |
| 10:13 | Carl in Sweden here | |
| 10:13 | kf | hi Carl |
| 10:14 | Carl | I have a quesion about the relevance rankning in the Koha OPAC |
| 10:14 | ascending or descending | |
| 10:14 | magnuse | hiya Carl |
| 10:15 | Carl | You can change that under "Searching preferences" and "Results Display" |
| 10:15 | but nothing happens | |
| 10:15 | kf | Carl: not sure relevance supports asc/desc |
| 10:16 | Carl | but, in my installation it is ascending |
| 10:16 | so the book I search for comes last in the list | |
| 10:17 | it should be the other way around | |
| 10:18 | kf | have you changed the setting since installation? |
| 10:18 | magnuse | if you and koha/zebra have the same idea of relevance... |
| 10:18 | Carl | yes |
| 10:19 | I mean, the the possibility to change the results display under system preferences | |
| 10:21 | My idea of relevance rankning is that if you search for a title it should at least not be last in the results list :) | |
| 10:22 | So, should I talk to the IT guy about Zebra? | |
| 10:23 | magnuse | hm, it's probably got something to do with zebra |
| 10:23 | but i'm not sure how the relevance is calculated or configured | |
| 10:24 | kf | me niether |
| 10:24 | did you turn field weighting on? | |
| 10:25 | Carl | "field weighting", were do I do that? |
| 10:25 | kf | in search |
| 10:26 | there are several paramters for zebra | |
| 10:26 | I would try to turn off fuzzy search, stemming and auto truncation | |
| 10:26 | it might give you better search results | |
| 10:26 | Carl | ok |
| 10:27 | magnuse | yeah, that's worth a try |
| 10:29 | Carl | hm, nothing changes |
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| 10:30 | Carl | but, It still seems to me that the problem is about the desc/asce-function |
| 10:30 | kf | which version are you using? |
| 10:30 | Carl | because the best hit is the last |
| 10:30 | actually, uppgraded to 3.6 today! | |
| 10:30 | but I had the same problem with 3.2 | |
| 10:31 | kf | hm |
| 10:31 | do other sorts work correctly for you? | |
| 10:32 | dpavlin_away | Carl: do you have more than 1000 results by any chance? Zebra ignores sort order with more than 1000 (but configurable in Zebra configuration) results |
| 10:32 | kf | hi dpavlin :) |
| 10:32 | good idea! | |
| 10:32 | * dpavlin | just my 0.02$ :-) |
| 10:36 | magnuse | yeah, good question |
| 10:38 | Carl | no, just 23 |
| 10:38 | magnuse | dang ;-) |
| 10:38 | kf | hm |
| 10:39 | have you tried turning off all the search parameters? | |
| 10:43 | Carl | ok, have to go for now |
| 10:43 | thank you for your kind assistance! I'll be back... | |
| 10:44 | kf | bye Carl |
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| 11:45 | kf | marcelr++ |
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| 13:26 | oleonard | A very pleasant Monday to you all, #koha. |
| 13:29 | * jwagner | thinks "pleasant" and "Monday" don't go together in the same sentence. But that's just me.... |
| 13:45 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 13:45 | hi jwagner | |
| 13:45 | jwagner | hi kf |
| 13:45 | kf | not worse than other days |
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| 13:48 | hakim | Hi |
| 13:48 | kf | marcelr++ |
| 13:48 | h hakim | |
| 13:48 | hakim | How are you |
| 13:49 | a quick question about Koha | |
| 13:49 | I couldn't find a translation of Koha in Dari/Persian | |
| 13:49 | how hard is it to translate it into these languages | |
| 13:49 | ? | |
| 13:49 | kf | it's a lot of work, but not hard |
| 13:50 | it's a lot of strings | |
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| 13:50 | kf | hakim: have you seen translate.koha-community.org? |
| 13:50 | hakim | what is koha coded with? |
| 13:50 | what scripting language? | |
| 13:51 | oleonard | Perl |
| 13:51 | kf | hakim: but you don't need to know perl for translating |
| 13:52 | hakim: we have a web interface ofr translation, or you can use an editor like poedit - you get a file with all strings in english and translate this into your language | |
| 13:52 | hakim | Movable type is written with perl I could translate it into Dari |
| 13:53 | oleonard | But you don't need to know any code to translate, hakim |
| 13:53 | hakim | i just edited all files in notepad and translated the interface into Dari |
| 13:53 | oleonard | In fact if you try to translate Koha this way you won't be able to share the translation with others |
| 13:53 | jcamins_away | hakim: that would not be a good way to translate Koha. |
| 13:53 | hakim | Thanks jcamins |
| 13:54 | one more question | |
| 13:54 | does koha source support unicode? | |
| 13:54 | i want to do a data entry in Dari language which is similar to Arabic | |
| 13:54 | jcamins | hakim: yes, you can enter data in Dari. |
| 13:55 | hakim | also search for Dari phrases? |
| 13:55 | jcamins | I am not sure how searching will work, though. |
| 13:55 | kf: do you know? | |
| 13:56 | kf | hakim, jcamins: I think it will require use of icu |
| 13:56 | hakim | logically if I can do data entry in Dari i should be able to search for Dari in simple and advanced search modes. right? : Jcamins |
| 13:56 | kf | like we did for hebrew |
| 13:56 | but it's possible | |
| 13:56 | hakim | kf: what is icu |
| 13:56 | wahanui | i guess icu is a horrible monster that doesn't do what anyone expects. |
| 13:57 | kf | hakim: not sure I can explain that right, and don't listen to wahanui |
| 13:57 | hakim: different type of indexing for the zebra search | |
| 13:57 | magnus_afk | hakim: wahanui is a bot trying to be clever ;-) |
| 13:57 | kf | hakim: it requires changing a few files, but it can be done |
| 13:57 | jcamins | hakim: are you with ACKU? |
| 13:58 | hakim | jcamins: ACKU? |
| 13:58 | kf | hakim: we use it for one of our libraries that has hebrew data - data entry works just fine |
| 13:58 | hakim | kf: how about search? |
| 13:58 | wahanui | search is, like, described as “ti,wrdl: chest ” I assume 'ti' means title but what does 'wrdl' mean |
| 13:58 | jcamins | Afghanistan Center at Kabul University. There was an e-mail on the list from someone at ACKU. |
| 13:59 | hakim | jcamins: Not from ACKU, i'm with INEX technologies in Afghanistan |
| 14:00 | jcamins | Hm. I don't think I met anyone there. |
| 14:00 | hakim | I got the point that I can translate it into Dari but i'm still lost with searching section |
| 14:00 | jcamins: have you been here? | |
| 14:00 | jcamins | hakim: the short answer is, we don't know how searching will work. |
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| 14:01 | hakim | any one has worked on Arabic translatoin? |
| 14:01 | kf | I think there is an arabic koha |
| 14:02 | hakim: http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/ | |
| 14:02 | hakim | kf: thanks let me give it a try |
| 14:02 | kf | hakim: I would try contacting the translators - we have a mailing list for translators too |
| 14:02 | mailing lists? | |
| 14:02 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 14:02 | magnus_afk | search? |
| 14:02 | wahanui | search is, like, described as “ti,wrdl: chest ” I assume 'ti' means title but what does 'wrdl' mean |
| 14:03 | magnus_afk | wahanui: forget search |
| 14:03 | wahanui | magnus_afk: I forgot search |
| 14:03 | kf | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]fo/koha-translate |
| 14:03 | hakim | whanui: dont forget it |
| 14:03 | it's important | |
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| 14:03 | kf | hi sekjal :) |
| 14:04 | sekjal | hi, kf! |
| 14:04 | jcamins | hakim: There's someone who has gotten searching for Arabic records working, but I'm not sure if he's made any changes to make searches work. |
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| 14:04 | hakim | jcamins: how is he? |
| 14:04 | kf | @later tell wizzyrea I noticed koha-translate is missing from the mailing liste page on kc.org :) (http://koha-community.org/supp[…]a-mailing-lists/) |
| 14:04 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:05 | jcamins | hakim: he used to go by the nik "genji," I think, but he changed his nick, and I don't remember the new one. |
| 14:06 | kf | hakim: perhaps try a search for koha and arabic |
| 14:06 | in google | |
| 14:07 | hakim | i've tried |
| 14:08 | jcamins | hakim: the best advice I can give is "try it with ICU," and see if it works. |
| 14:08 | hakim | jcamins: i'm sorry, but what is ICU? |
| 14:09 | kf | ICU is a library |
| 14:09 | kind of | |
| 14:09 | it makes it possible to index your data in another way, different from the one koha uses as standard | |
| 14:09 | so it requires a bit of change to the files | |
| 14:10 | but it does work for some libraries and it's doable | |
| 14:20 | Barrc | Can anyone help me with a git question? I have added a coupld of new files (not changed an existing one) but when I commit it only picks up the files changed and not the new one? |
| 14:23 | sekjal | Barrc: you need to add the files first: git add /path/to/file.pl |
| 14:24 | Barrc | sekjal: Thanks - was following this: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git but there is no mention of adding the files! |
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| 14:59 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 15:01 | magnus_afk | kia ora wizzyrea |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | heyas, how's norway this afternoon? |
| 15:03 | magnus_afk | @wunder boo |
| 15:03 | huginn | magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (3:50 PM CET on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:03 | magnus_afk | autumny, but cozy indoors |
| 15:04 | * magnus_afk | just lit a fire on the hearth |
| 15:04 | kf | hi wizzyrea :) |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | question, do the checkout notices pull their title info from the indexes or direct from the database? |
| 15:05 | kf | all from the database |
| 15:05 | afaik | |
| 15:06 | the notices | |
| 15:06 | wahanui | the notices is, like, another place that does multiselect |
| 15:06 | kf | or do you mean the slips? |
| 15:06 | forget the notices | |
| 15:06 | wahanui | kf: I forgot notices |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | the checkout notices |
| 15:06 | the email | |
| 15:06 | kf | ah |
| 15:06 | afaik the database | |
| 15:06 | but it's bad | |
| 15:06 | because it can't do items | |
| 15:07 | at least not in 3.2 - I have a ticket about that from one of my libraries | |
| 15:07 | and they don't use items.content or <item> to create the list | |
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| 15:07 | kf | it's def different than other notices |
| 15:07 | consistency++ | |
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| 15:21 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 15:21 | huginn | moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 4.6°C (9:21 AM CST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.48 in 998.2 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:22 | ebegin | moodaepo, there is a zipcode for the MSU Physics Dept ? |
| 15:24 | moodaepo | ebegin: Heh I'm guessing that's the monitoring area zip code...it's not CERN : ) |
| 15:24 | ebegin | moodaepo, yeah, make sense :) |
| 15:24 | @wunder montreal canada | |
| 15:24 | huginn | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 16.0°C (10:00 AM EST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | I'll just tell you, it's 9C here |
| 15:26 | :P | |
| 15:27 | druthb | @wunder 38401 |
| 15:27 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Spring Hill, Tennessee is 20.9°C (11:27 AM AST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:27 | * wizzyrea | waves at druthb |
| 15:27 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 15:27 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 20.0°C (10:20 AM EST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1003.6 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:27 | * druthb | waves at wizzyrea |
| 15:30 | * ebegin | "wunders" where in the world wizzyrea is ? :) |
| 15:32 | kf | @wonder Konstanz |
| 15:32 | huginn | kf: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence, ks |
| 15:32 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 11.6°C (9:32 AM CST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | ah but my computer says (said) 9 a bit ago |
| 15:33 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 15:33 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.9°C (4:28 PM CET on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:34 | ebegin | 16.0°C is quite a nice day for a nov. 14th here in quebec |
| 15:41 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 15:41 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (4:20 PM CET on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:42 | druthb | hi, magnuse! |
| 15:42 | magnuse | o/ |
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| 16:09 | reiveune | à demain |
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| 16:09 | kf | time to leave :) |
| 16:10 | bye all! | |
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| 16:20 | wizzyrea | anybody have a link to a very small library somewhere in either latin america, india, or africa? |
| 16:20 | I don't want big, I want as small as they come | |
| 16:20 | but web accessible | |
| 16:34 | oleonard | I guess you're going to have to go start one wizzyrea |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 16:35 | magnuse | wizzyrea: check lib-web-cats or the wiki? |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | good call both. |
| 16:37 | * wizzyrea | forgets about libwebcats |
| 16:43 | Barrc | If I change/add an entry to a table in MySQL (for a new enhancement) which files do I need to edit (for a git commit). Is it just the updatedatabase.pl? Can I put it anywhere in that file? |
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| 16:48 | Oak | oh well |
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| 16:50 | cait | hi #koha |
| 16:50 | druthb | cait, you just missed Oak. |
| 16:56 | cait | oh |
| 16:56 | maximep | Barrc: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Database_Files |
| 16:57 | oleonard | ...with a couple of corrections |
| 16:58 | Barrc: When you're testing you can give the DBversion a real revision number, but when you submit leave the last set as 'XXX' instead of the incremented number | |
| 16:58 | maximep | yeah, this page really needs to be simplified and updated :/ |
| 16:58 | oleonard | Barrc: And don't edit kohaversion.pl in your patch. Only in testing. |
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| 17:09 | Barrc | oleonard: Thanks - I'm having some trouble getting my head around git. Does everyone else find it easy at first!? |
| 17:09 | oleonard | I didn't, but I like it now |
| 17:10 | jcamins | Barrc: does *anyone* find it easy at first? ;) |
| 17:10 | Barrc | Not just me then, good!!! |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | git is the best and worst friend you'll ever have. |
| 17:11 | cait | hehe |
| 17:11 | I love git | |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | ...until you hate it |
| 17:11 | cait | but until you get the concept it's a bit hard |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | and then you love it again |
| 17:11 | cait | hehe |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | ...until you hate it |
| 17:11 | * cait | puts some lebkuchen/ginger bread in the middle of #koha |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | well, at least that's how I feel about it |
| 17:11 | cait | i couldn#t resist at the super market |
| 17:13 | oleonard | I usually avoid hating git by assuming it's smarter than me (which it is) |
| 17:13 | cait | :) |
| 17:13 | Barrc | My head starts expanding right up to explosion point whenever I sit down and look at git......:-) |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | i usually consult the koha wiki's documentation |
| 17:14 | there's a recipe in there for just about everything normal we do | |
| 17:14 | oleonard | I think a lot of git documentation makes the mistake of trying to make you understand *too* much about git right off the bat |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | *nod* I agree |
| 17:14 | oleonard | I feel very comfortable with it having been taught specific tasks rather than a huge overview |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | like many things, it's better to start with a task |
| 17:15 | and apply the theory to the task later. | |
| 17:22 | * oleonard | still hasn't gotten to the theory part |
| 17:23 | sekjal | directed acyclic graphs |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea | sekjal, how covenient that you popped up |
| 17:24 | i have a QA request :) | |
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| 17:24 | wizzyrea | bug 7207 |
| 17:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7207 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Cannot export label batches |
| 17:25 | cait | hehe |
| 17:25 | nengard | good morning #koha I'm here in WA traininga new Koha library |
| 17:25 | say hello | |
| 17:25 | wizzyrea | hi WA peeps :) |
| 17:25 | oleonard | Hi new Koha library |
| 17:25 | wizzyrea | < Kansas |
| 17:25 | oleonard | < Ohio |
| 17:25 | * sekjal | waves to the librarians from his home state |
| 17:26 | jcamins | Hello from New York. |
| 17:26 | sekjal | < MA, currently |
| 17:26 | j joined #koha | |
| 17:26 | * jcamins | didn't realize that sekjal was from WA. |
| 17:26 | nengard | he's not |
| 17:26 | cait | hi :) |
| 17:26 | sekjal | jcamins: yup |
| 17:26 | nengard | alright back to work!! |
| 17:26 | ttyl | |
| 17:26 | cait | from Konstanz, Germany :) |
| 17:26 | wizzyrea | wait, us back to work, or them? |
| 17:27 | cait | not sure |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | nengard is all crackin the whip on us |
| 17:27 | * cait | will have dinner first |
| 17:27 | oleonard | nengard should have demonstrated IRC's utility by forcing us to answer random Koha trivia |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 17:27 | cait | hehe |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | yes, that would be more instructive wouldn't it |
| 17:27 | cait | you know who would win that game |
| 17:27 | wahanui! | |
| 17:27 | wahanui | i am a bot |
| 17:27 | cait | I know sweetie |
| 17:27 | wahanui botsnack mushroom soup with noodles | |
| 17:27 | wahanui | :) |
| 17:28 | druthb | wahanui: cait? |
| 17:28 | wahanui | That's Ms. Cait to you! |
| 17:28 | druthb | ! |
| 17:28 | wahanui: wizzyrea? | |
| 17:28 | wahanui | I LIKE SCIENCE! |
| 17:28 | * druthb | giggles |
| 17:28 | wizzyrea | Who was the first koha library? is <reply> Horowhenua Library Trust in New Zealand (http://www.library.org.nz) |
| 17:28 | Who was the first koha library? | |
| 17:29 | * wizzyrea | really wanted that to work. |
| 17:29 | will keep trying with wahanui in private | |
| 17:29 | wizzyrea | i will coerce him with thin mints. |
| 17:29 | druthb | the first koha library is <reply> Horowhenua Library Trust in New Zealand (http://www.library.org.nz) |
| 17:29 | cait | first koha library is Horowhenua Library Trust in New Zealand |
| 17:29 | druthb | first koha library? |
| 17:29 | wahanui | Horowhenua Library Trust in New Zealand (http://www.library.org.nz) |
| 17:29 | * druthb | wiggles her eyebrows |
| 17:29 | wizzyrea | showoff. |
| 17:29 | ;) | |
| 17:29 | <3 | |
| 17:29 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 17:29 | wahanui | She finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 17:29 | cait | and typing faster than me too :) |
| 17:29 | druthb | lol |
| 17:29 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 17:31 | oleonard | first Koha library in the US is <reply> Athens County Public Libraries (http://www.myacpl.org) |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | first koha library in the US? |
| 17:32 | wahanui | Athens County Public Libraries (http://www.myacpl.org) |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | squee! |
| 17:32 | cait | :) |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea snack lebkuchen :) | |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | nom nom nom |
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| 17:42 | cait | ok |
| 17:42 | plan for tonight... learn something about regex | |
| 17:43 | druthb | s/Columbia, TN/Konstanz/ #can I use regex to make a teleporter? |
| 17:44 | cait | hmmmmm |
| 17:44 | jcamins | cait: most useful thing I ever learned about regex: there are different types of regular expressions, and that's why all the documentation seems to say different things. |
| 17:44 | cait | that would be nice |
| 17:44 | jcamins: that sounds confusing! | |
| 17:44 | jcamins | You probably knew that, but it took me years to figure that out. |
| 17:44 | cait | no i didn't |
| 17:44 | * jcamins | still can't use regular expressions with grep. |
| 17:44 | cait | but I still hope the Learning Perl book will explain :) |
| 17:44 | me neither... we will see how it works out | |
| 17:45 | I am in chapter 7 now , 7,8 and 9 are about regex | |
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| 17:59 | oleonard | Nice comment to find in a Drupal module : "//THIS IS BAD.. fix before any release." |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | oh dear. |
| 18:00 | cait | hmm |
| 18:00 | jcamins | oleonard: was it released? |
| 18:00 | cait | at least there is a comment... so we can assume the developer knew better |
| 18:00 | oleonard | jcamins: It was |
| 18:00 | jcamins | oleonard: well. That's unfortunate, isn't it? |
| 18:01 | * jcamins | would suggest adding a build test for FIXMEs to Koha, but it would undoubtedly fail. |
| 18:01 | cait | people would stop using FIXMEs I think |
| 18:02 | jcamins | cait: yeah, but would they fix things? |
| 18:02 | (I know, probably not) | |
| 18:02 | There are approximately 425 FIXMEs in Koha. | |
| 18:02 | cait | you gave the answer ;) |
| 18:02 | oleonard | jcamins: I've often wondered about auto-filing one bug for each FIXME. |
| 18:02 | cait | wow |
| 18:02 | I would like to see more bug fixing anyway | |
| 18:02 | it's most of the time about new feature | |
| 18:02 | s | |
| 18:03 | and we have such bad bugs in bugzilla :( | |
| 18:04 | * oleonard | is unfortunately chasing bugs in this Drupal module instead of in Koha today |
| 18:04 | cait | I was not talking about you Owen - you are fixing bugs like crazy :) |
| 18:04 | * jcamins | is unfortunately busy on non-Koha stuff. |
| 18:04 | cait | ... and I am trying to learn perl |
| 18:04 | * oleonard | was just expressing his dissatisfaction with his current circumstances |
| 18:05 | cait | I have no doubt you will hunt them down |
| 18:05 | the bugs in the drupal module | |
| 18:06 | jcamins | It's history! |
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| 18:11 | NCARLibrary | hey gang |
| 18:12 | quick SQL question...i want this report to give me lost only, not missing. | |
| 18:13 | (hm...it's not pasting for me) | |
| 18:13 | is this thing on? | |
| 18:14 | jwagner | NCARLibrary, you're posting if that's what you mean |
| 18:15 | cait | NCARLibrary: talking about paste.koha-community.org? |
| 18:15 | you can paste the URL when it's not working to paste into the channel | |
| 18:15 | NCARLibrary | ok, i'll do that. |
| 18:15 | http://paste.koha-community.org/115 | |
| 18:16 | cait | ok |
| 18:16 | I think you want some specific lost values | |
| 18:16 | NCARLibrary | yes |
| 18:16 | cait | check your authorised value LOST |
| 18:16 | in the interface | |
| 18:16 | NCARLibrary | okay |
| 18:17 | cait | and then |
| 18:17 | jwagner | Missing is one of the lost values. You probably want to select on items.itemlost = 1 rather than !=0 |
| 18:17 | cait | items.iemslost in (your numbers, comma separated) |
| 18:17 | for those status you want to show up | |
| 18:17 | jwagner | Or as cait just said, list all the ones you do want :-) |
| 18:17 | and you don't need to link to the auth val table | |
| 18:17 | NCARLibrary | ah, i see. |
| 18:18 | lemme try that. standby | |
| 18:18 | bingo! | |
| 18:19 | thank you, oracles. | |
| 18:19 | cait | np :) |
| 18:20 | yes, I think the last and is not necessary | |
| 18:20 | hm or perhaps it is | |
| 18:20 | if you want to get the right description | |
| 18:21 | yeah, I think you need it | |
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| 18:48 | aarkerio | hi! If I send a form in Koha with: <textarea name="ttcode"> |
| 18:48 | Can I get it with: my $foo = $cgi->param('ttcode') ? | |
| 18:49 | or need I another library? | |
| 18:49 | cait | aarkerio: what do you want to do? |
| 18:50 | aarkerio: if there are other fields in that form already, try to see how it's done there | |
| 18:50 | aarkerio | I need save the value of ttcode in a MySQL table |
| 18:50 | cait | I fear I am not fluent enough in perl to tell you |
| 18:51 | jcamins | aarkerio: your code snippet should work, but I can tell you that you almost certainly don't want to be doing whatever you're doing. |
| 18:51 | cait | i normally find somewhere where it works and copy/modify that :) |
| 18:52 | aarkerio | I need to save scientific journal articles, I created the table "articles" in MySQL |
| 18:52 | and now I want to code the CRUD process for that table | |
| 18:53 | jcamins | aarkerio: I would stress in the strongest way possible that this is not a good idea. |
| 18:55 | aarkerio | well, I wanna become familar with Koha API, so I think this is a good way to know the CRUD process |
| 18:55 | jcamins | aarkerio: having said that, if you insist on doing it, good luck! |
| 18:56 | aarkerio: the way to become familiar with Koha is not to write something that will be incompatible with every other installation of Koha. | |
| 18:56 | At least, that's my feeling. | |
| 18:56 | aarkerio | my question is if I only need my $foo = $cgi->param('ttcode') in order to get POST values in an HTML form |
| 18:56 | jcamins | I believe that will work, yes. |
| 18:57 | aarkerio: it's just standard Perl. :) | |
| 18:58 | maximep | of course you have to define $cgi :p |
| 19:02 | aarkerio | cool!, and for debug $vars, do you recommend: print Dumper $vars; ?? |
| 19:04 | maximep | sure, or you can use warn to send it to the log iirc |
| 19:05 | jcamins | Better to use warn, I'd think. |
| 19:05 | aarkerio: what benefit do you expect to get from having a separate articles table instead of using the existing functionality to catalog articles? | |
| 19:06 | aarkerio | there is a functionality for in Koha for cataloging articles? |
| 19:07 | jcamins | aarkerio: yes, create analytic records for each article. |
| 19:07 | aarkerio | I didn't know that, there is a doc about it? |
| 19:07 | jcamins | aarkerio: it's just standard cataloging practice. |
| 19:07 | aarkerio | or a wiki? |
| 19:07 | wahanui | a wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org |
| 19:08 | jcamins | aarkerio: I don't think there's anything about cataloging articles specifically in Koha. |
| 19:08 | Your catalogers should know how to do it, though. | |
| 19:09 | aarkerio | well, I will catalog journals using the ISSN number |
| 19:10 | the situation is I have the articles data in XML format so I can create a Koha plugin to 1) read the XML | |
| 19:10 | 2) create the analytic record | |
| 19:11 | I will use the perl DOM libraries for XML | |
| 19:11 | cait | you will have to create marc records out of your xml |
| 19:11 | jcamins | A much better option is to create an XSLT stylesheet to convert your XML into MARCXML analytic records. |
| 19:11 | cait | and you want to look at 773 fields for the articles |
| 19:12 | oleonard | sekjal: You're being far too pragmatic on the Mobile OPAC issue. The solution is obviously for 5 or 6 different people to develop on in isolation and then tell everyone it's ready, but no show anyone the code. |
| 19:12 | aarkerio | but anyway I need save the XML of each article somewhere |
| 19:12 | that is why I create the new MySQL table | |
| 19:12 | jcamins | aarkerio: yes, save it into a file, then convert it into MARC, then load the MARC into Koha. |
| 19:12 | oleonard | In fact I think it's a game we just weren't invited to. Who can develop a mobile OPAC the most secretly? Go! |
| 19:14 | aarkerio | yes, but the cataloguers are in four different places and I think is better save XML in a table using Koha API |
| 19:14 | I think I can offer the code as Koha plugin for medical articles | |
| 19:15 | jcamins | aarkerio: well, I can't talk you out of this, so I will consider my responsibility here to have been discharged. :) |
| 19:15 | aarkerio | well, I need C4::SQLHelper for MySQL CRUD, right? |
| 19:15 | cait | aarkerio: the problem with your approach is indexing |
| 19:15 | you want to search for them later on I guess... | |
| 19:15 | so you should not do it like that | |
| 19:16 | make it part of your existing marc records for the serials, or make it separate records | |
| 19:16 | jcamins | aarkerio: probably not, no. I don't think anyone knows how to use C4::SQLHelper. |
| 19:16 | cait | so zebra can pick up the information |
| 19:16 | jcamins | aarkerio: your best bet is to read the rest of the Koha code, to see how it works, and based on that figure out what you're doing. |
| 19:17 | aarkerio | my approach is: 1) gathering all XML articles in a table (this out of "koha") |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | question: what is the difference between a keyword search for evanov* vs evanov% |
| 19:17 | catalog* keyword search | |
| 19:17 | jcamins | wizzyrea: the first is for Zebra the second for MySQL. |
| 19:17 | aarkerio | 2) Convert XML to analytical records linked using 773 "inside" koha |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | the net result of which is... |
| 19:17 | aarkerio | 3) Delete the table with xml data |
| 19:17 | cait | wizzyrea: I am with jcamins |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | (dumb question then, the results are different because...) |
| 19:17 | cait | not sure how zebra handles % |
| 19:18 | jcamins | wizzyrea: the first works as you expect, the second doesn't. |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | lulz, that's fair |
| 19:18 | ty | |
| 19:18 | jcamins | The second doesn't have a defined result. |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | gotya |
| 19:19 | i just told them | |
| 19:19 | the canonical answer is: the first works as you expect, the second doesn't" | |
| 19:19 | jcamins | :) |
| 19:20 | * wizzyrea | remembers the principle of least astonishment, boggles |
| 19:20 | gives up | |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | the principle of least astonishment is http://www.google.com/url?sa=t[…]ctDDC3tPVBn5lh8Fw |
| 19:20 | forget the principle of least astonishment | |
| 19:20 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot principle of least astonishment |
| 19:20 | jcamins | Yikes! |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | the principle of least astonishment is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P[…]east_astonishment |
| 19:21 | that was the principle of MOST astonishment | |
| 19:21 | * jcamins | is astonished by that URL. ;) |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | see, that was a case where I was astonished because what I expected didn't happen |
| 19:21 | * wizzyrea | just learned this principle yesterday |
| 19:26 | * oleonard | thinks Microsoft works under the Principle of most astonishment |
| 19:26 | rhcl | Interesting to note that Eric Raymond, no less, has discussed the principle in a book. May have to dig out the book/section sometime. |
| 19:27 | "Applying the Rule of Least Surprise" from The Art of Unix Programming by E.S. Raymond | |
| 19:27 | oleonard | Microsoft: "Wouldn't it be great if a little box popped up every ten minutes to steal keyboard focus and trigger a restart?" |
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| 19:28 | sekjal | oleonard: everyone loves secret OPACs the best |
| 19:28 | * wizzyrea | giggles maniacally |
| 19:29 | sekjal | aarkerio: no, you definitely do not need C4::SQLHelper |
| 19:30 | aarkerio | sekjal, thanks for answer, do you know a doc about how make the CRUD in Koha? |
| 19:30 | * oleonard | will put all 7 mobile OPACs in a mixer and blend them for a smooth result |
| 19:31 | rhcl | What about the IPACs? |
| 19:32 | cait | 7?! |
| 19:32 | sekjal | aarkerio: in your scripts, use C4::Context->dbh to create a $dbh |
| 19:32 | oleonard | cait: Sorry, I meant 8 or 9. |
| 19:32 | cait | I really don#t want to know, right? |
| 19:32 | * oleonard | might have his numbers off |
| 19:32 | * cait | goes back to her book |
| 19:33 | sekjal | then my $sth = $dbh->prepare("SQL statement here"); |
| 19:33 | and $sth->execute(whatever, params) to execute it | |
| 19:33 | this will give you all the selects, updates, deletes and such you need in the Koha DB | |
| 19:33 | rhcl | The college students want to use postgresql for their IPAC database. No reason not to, right? |
| 19:34 | aarkerio | sekjal, coool! let me check the API and other koha code |
| 19:35 | sekjal | aarkerio: if possible, it's better to use existing Koha subroutines for common functions like adding, modifying and deleting biblios, since that will catch various other bits of logic that a straight SQL statement won't |
| 19:35 | but, there isn't always a pre-existing subroutine, so going straight to dbh is sometimes necessary | |
| 19:46 | rhcl | If a db has a defined API, is it automatically an "intelligent db"? Is "intelligent db" itself a firm definition? |
| 19:48 | The idea of an intelligent db is that ideally the application should hit the API instead of directly manipulating the relational data in the db, right? Is this concept, if correct, relevant to abstracting the db in koha | |
| 19:48 | ? | |
| 19:50 | mustard | yes, rhcl, that's exactly correct |
| 19:50 | rhcl | hey, OK, thanks for the freedback |
| 19:51 | oleonard | Handy. |
| 19:51 | cait | rhcl: I don't know it :) |
| 19:51 | oleonard | So is anyone else developing a mobile OPAC in secret? |
| 19:51 | sekjal | rhcl: if we abstracted the Koha structure into a group of objects and their interactions, then yes, we could mask the relational layer, and just have an API |
| 19:52 | Ice_Station_Zebra | Yes, we are. It's based on Koha 3.02 and we'll release it one year after it's live in productino |
| 19:52 | oleonard | Thanks Ice_Station_Zebra, that sounds like a great idea! |
| 19:53 | rhcl | There was a session (I think) on mobile OPACs at the last LITA conference. The slides might be online somewhere if that's any help. |
| 19:53 | jdavidb | I'm just here to confuse you. |
| 19:54 | druthb | Doesn't he always do that? sheesh...thought we ran that guy off.. |
| 19:54 | rhcl | they comes and they goes |
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| 20:05 | wizzyrea | sekjal: re 7207 - the patches, if you look at the two I squashed together |
| 20:05 | one was to revert | |
| 20:05 | the other was to change | |
| 20:06 | so, the original bug | |
| 20:06 | rangi fixed something to make perl critic happy | |
| 20:06 | but it broke export | |
| 20:06 | let me find the IRC log | |
| 20:07 | sekjal | wizzyrea: gotcha. My concern is whether the third line that was changed in the original patch shouldn't also be re-jiggered to fit the updated format |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | chris_n would have to speak to that |
| 20:08 | i personally wouldn't put anybody on master who uses labels with that bug in there. | |
| 20:09 | sekjal | yeah, it's a nasty one |
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| 20:13 | wizzyrea | here it is: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]11-11-09#i_810914 |
| 20:16 | I guess perhaps critic didn't get upset about the 3rd line? | |
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| 20:17 | NCARLibrary | hey peeps. yet more sql challenges... |
| 20:17 | http://paste.koha-community.org/116 | |
| 20:17 | i used != as a "not equal to" | |
| 20:17 | but it doesn't seem to be working | |
| 20:18 | sekjal | wizzyrea: it's currently in a format that's Perl-Critic-happy, but the it's got the same basic problem as the two changed lines in the patch for bug 7207 |
| 20:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7207 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Cannot export label batches |
| 20:18 | cait | NCARLibrary: not in (comma separated list in '') |
| 20:19 | hm | |
| 20:19 | NCARLibrary | so i should use () around it? |
| 20:19 | cait | but |
| 20:19 | you might want to use truncation too? | |
| 20:19 | or is the itemnote only MISSING FL or inventory? | |
| 20:19 | one word? | |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | or the itemnote is MISSING FL inventory |
| 20:20 | NCARLibrary | it's one phrase for a group of items "MISSING FL inventory" |
| 20:20 | one thing | |
| 20:20 | wahanui | well, one thing is sure there is no AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in C4/Members.pm in the untarred source tree of koha-3.02.01.tar.gz |
| 20:20 | cait | AH OK |
| 20:20 | sorry, caps | |
| 20:20 | that sould workthen | |
| 20:20 | I think | |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | not like? |
| 20:21 | NCARLibrary | so it should look like this itemnotes != ('MISSING FL inventory') |
| 20:21 | cait | NCARLibrary: no, you don't need the () |
| 20:21 | maximep | no, it was fine before |
| 20:21 | cait | I was wrong |
| 20:21 | NCARLibrary | oh |
| 20:21 | cait | my head was still on checking a list of values... like we did before |
| 20:21 | maximep | u can try <> instead of !=... but it should be the same :S |
| 20:21 | NCARLibrary | it seems to be giving me items that DO have that phrase |
| 20:22 | cait | how does the item note of one of those items look like? |
| 20:22 | is anything beofre or after the phrase? | |
| 20:23 | NCARLibrary | no |
| 20:23 | i checked that | |
| 20:23 | cait | can you post an example? |
| 20:23 | for an itemnote that should not be in there? | |
| 20:23 | NCARLibrary | what if i just used = NULL instead of != to my phrase? |
| 20:23 | cait | you could use itemnotes is NULL |
| 20:23 | NCARLibrary | trying |
| 20:25 | ooh! it looks much better. | |
| 20:25 | thanks. i'll go with it and come back if i run into issues. | |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | we forgot to ask the most important question |
| 20:25 | "what are you trying to do" | |
| 20:25 | NCARLibrary | ? |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | :P |
| 20:26 | NCARLibrary | ah yes |
| 20:27 | We need to be able to periodically review items that've been marked LOST or MISSING (I created two reports). But there're | |
| 20:27 | a bunch of MISSING items that were marked thus whilst performing an inventory at our FL location. | |
| 20:27 | So, I wanted to exclude those from this report. | |
| 20:28 | seems like this will work now | |
| 20:31 | ciao | |
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| 20:51 | wizzyrea | cait dear, are you about? |
| 20:51 | druthb | cait went to bed, wizzyrea. |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | oh so she did |
| 20:52 | der | |
| 20:52 | ty | |
| 20:52 | druthb | :) no worries. |
| 20:52 | * wizzyrea | thinks we need to have a global koha party day |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | everybody is way stressed out. |
| 20:53 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7207] Cannot export label batches <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7207> |
| 20:53 | druthb | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | oy I really want that one fixed lol |
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| 21:00 | sekjal | does anyone in channel use the borrowers.ethnicity field in their installation? |
| 21:00 | is it even accessible through the interface anymore? | |
| 21:00 | oleonard | rangi would be the one to ask |
| 21:01 | It was a New Zealand library requirement | |
| 21:02 | sekjal | I'm seeing it's still got plenty of hooks in the code, but it seems like this is something that could now better be captured by Borrower Extended Attributes |
| 21:02 | I ask because I'm looking at a hack to repurpose it | |
| 21:02 | to capture the patron's preferred language | |
| 21:03 | (so notices can go out translated) | |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 21:05 | oleonard | Another jQuery UI modal cart test: http://screencast.com/t/j2XCnLwe |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | oleonard, that is quite lovely |
| 21:06 | i like your search, too. | |
| 21:06 | are you telling us something? | |
| 21:06 | ;) | |
| 21:07 | oleonard | That I'm crabby? |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | well ARE YOU? |
| 21:08 | sekjal | word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm |
| 21:08 | * oleonard | can't be that crabby around wizzyrea |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | @quote add <sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm |
| 21:08 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #164 added. |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | awww |
| 21:09 | sekjal | I wish I could take the crowbar to that whole module (and the overdue and advanced notices scripts, while I'm at it) |
| 21:10 | * oleonard | hands sekjal the crowbar, but no sack of money to go with it |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | i think libsysguy would agree with that sentiment |
| 21:10 | maximep | Ive had several headaches from looking at Overdues.pm code haha |
| 21:10 | sekjal | I'm not even sure it's worth trying to salvage... may make more sense to just replace it completely |
| 21:13 | * oleonard | will have to refrain from being crabby all on his own |
| 21:13 | sekjal | I need a way to get the appropriate overdue message by just passing the branchcode, patron category, and date due |
| 21:14 | * sekjal | checks the overdue triggers table structure |
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| 21:15 | bg | hey there bshum |
| 21:16 | bshum | bg: Hi there :) |
| 21:16 | bg | how's good ole cold CT |
| 21:16 | @wunder 93109 | |
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| 21:16 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.0°C (1:16 PM PST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:16 | bg | @wunder 06762 |
| 21:16 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in Watertown, Connecticut is 16.7°C (4:08 PM EST on November 14, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:16 | bshum | bg: Heh, dark and gloomy |
| 21:17 | bg | oh not too bad temp wise |
| 21:17 | bshum | bg: I think it's supposed to rain tonight. |
| 21:17 | bg | bummer |
| 21:22 | NCARLibrary | Question: Under authorized values, I have a category of LOST. Terms included in this are Missing, Lost, Lost and Paid For, etc. |
| 21:23 | It seems that on the OPAC side, regardless of what subterm is chosen, an item will simply appear as "Lost" | |
| 21:23 | Is this correct? | |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | I thought missing showed as missing, but I could be wrong |
| 21:23 | * wizzyrea | checks |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | no I think you're right |
| 21:25 | in the staff client it shows the label | |
| 21:25 | but in the OPAC it just says "lost" | |
| 21:26 | or "item lost" | |
| 21:26 | NCARLibrary | right. any way around this? |
| 21:26 | I'd love for it to say "Missing" on the OPAC side (when it's missing on staff client side) | |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | 1s, i'm gonna check this for real :) |
| 21:28 | i'm sure there is a way, it might be easy, it might not be, but any way you do it will involve a change to the koha templates | |
| 21:28 | (and I just verified, it does just say "item lost" | |
| 21:29 | just curious, what type of a library are you from? | |
| 21:29 | NCARLibrary | Special Library (quite small) |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | also just curious, in your mind what is the difference to a patron between "missing" and "lost" |
| 21:30 | NCARLibrary | good question |
| 21:31 | lost sounds less hopeful i guess | |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | (in my system, missing is an internal status - the library has misplaced it. Lost confers powers to charge the patron for the lost book) |
| 21:31 | NCARLibrary | i see, right. |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | (to a patron, it doesn't matter) |
| 21:32 | (they can't check it out, it's dead to them, so to speak) | |
| 21:32 | NCARLibrary | and actually we don't charge patrons ever for anything |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | So maybe |
| 21:32 | wahanui | somebody said So maybe was the condition which is not working |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | what you want is to replace "item lost" text |
| 21:32 | with "missing" | |
| 21:33 | NCARLibrary | right |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | which could probably be done wholesale pretty easily with jquery |
| 21:33 | NCARLibrary | ? |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | if you wanted everything to say "missing" instead of "item lost" |
| 21:33 | NCARLibrary | oh i see. so they all say missing or they all say item lost |
| 21:33 | ? | |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | right you got it |
| 21:33 | NCARLibrary | ok |
| 21:34 | well, i'll have to consult with my coworker. she's been keepin me comin back to the chatline here all day! | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | think about it and lmk, I can help you with that |
| 21:34 | :) I can relate. | |
| 21:35 | NCARLibrary | thx |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | yw |
| 21:43 | sekjal | wow, schema.koha-community.org is wicked awesome |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | it totally is |
| 21:43 | eythian++ rangi++ nengard++ | |
| 21:43 | sekjal | I was going to draw out a database table connection chart, but it will do that for me, with up to 2 degrees of separation |
| 21:43 | * wizzyrea | grabs sekjal and bounces and squees |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | it's so great! |
| 21:44 | * druthb | takes pictures |
| 21:46 | sekjal | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]_preferences.html |
| 21:46 | trying to detangle that particular rat's nest | |
| 21:46 | (see 2-degree graph) | |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | oh gracious. |
| 21:47 | sekjal | the categories and borrowers connections are fine... |
| 21:48 | message_attributes is just a list of all the patron-controllable messages in the system | |
| 21:48 | message_transport_types is just a single column of controlled values | |
| 21:49 | message_transports combines the message type with ways it can be delivered | |
| 21:50 | I think we need to add a "priority" column to the borrower_message_transport_preferences table | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | "now" or "later" |
| 21:51 | ? | |
| 21:51 | sort of thing? | |
| 21:51 | sekjal | if we hope to support anything more than email |
| 21:52 | we also need a "targeting" system for message transports | |
| 21:52 | the email to use, the phone number to SMS, the address to mail to | |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | I always wondered why we didn't just send email to people's phone using their phone's email address. |
| 21:53 | sekjal | works well in the US, but not everywhere else |
| 21:54 | not all cell providers have SMS gateways | |
| 21:54 | but I'd like to see that as one delivery option | |
| 21:54 | that's the next trick | |
| 21:54 | there are multiple ways to send an SMS | |
| 21:54 | email, using an SMS::Send::Driver, via a third-party service like Talking Tech | |
| 21:55 | Koha should be able to handle whichever | |
| 21:55 | and have that be transparent to the patron | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | any kiwis about? |
| 21:57 | I have a question about HLT, dk if you can answer | |
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| 22:02 | wizzyrea | nm :) |
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| 22:08 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 23:16 | rhcl | @seen rangi |
| 23:16 | huginn | rhcl: rangi was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 28 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <rangi> @wunder wellington nz |
| 23:28 | rhcl | talljoy |
| 23:28 | talljoy | yes |
| 23:30 | rhcl | for the past two hours everybody has been logging off. just thought it noteworthy that at this late hour (US) somebody was coming alive |
| 23:30 | talljoy | i like the night. |
| 23:32 | rhcl | humm |
| 23:32 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6303] Display Organisation and Parent Organisation names when viewing a borrower of type organistaion <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6303> |
| 23:33 | * talljoy | notes she is not a vampire. just not a morning person |
| 23:50 | rhcl | well, I am a hungry person |
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