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| 00:21 | druthb | o/ |
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| 00:57 | lastnode | hi, im trying to sue koha-create --create-db mydb on debian |
| 00:58 | and i get "does not exist" | |
| 01:10 | anyone? | |
| 01:16 | eythian | lastnode: what version? |
| 01:16 | there was a bug that slipped in that may cause that. | |
| 01:16 | lastnode | eythian: whatever comes with the debian pacakges from debian.koha-community |
| 01:16 | 3.2 i think? | |
| 01:16 | eythian | lastnode: can you check, they were updated yesterday. |
| 01:16 | apt-cache policy koha-common | |
| 01:17 | do you have a file: /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf? | |
| 01:18 | lastnode | eythian: yes |
| 01:18 | i even loaded it via --config | |
| 01:19 | eythian | try --configfile |
| 01:19 | lastnode | yea |
| 01:19 | sorry, i meant i sued taht flag | |
| 01:19 | *used | |
| 01:19 | eythian | OK |
| 01:19 | * eythian | looks |
| 01:19 | eythian | so, you have 3.4.4? |
| 01:19 | lastnode | then it asked me to checkif /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf existed |
| 01:19 | so i touched it | |
| 01:19 | and now it asys | |
| 01:20 | cannot connect to mysql server through | |
| 01:20 | socket /var/runmysqld/mysqld.sock (2) | |
| 01:20 | eythian | do you have the mysql server running? |
| 01:20 | (do you have it installed?) | |
| 01:20 | lastnode | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start |
| 01:20 | im following this guide | |
| 01:20 | because it was debian | |
| 01:20 | on ubuntu i followed a different guide where i had to run myusql manually | |
| 01:21 | this guide doestn say anything of the sort | |
| 01:21 | mysql-common the package is isntalled though | |
| 01:21 | eythian | yeah, it probably should. Mysql isn't required to be installed because it's quite reasonable to run it from a database server, but most people want it |
| 01:21 | so, install mysql-server | |
| 01:22 | btw the koha-common.cnf file should be: | |
| 01:22 | $ ls -l /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf | |
| 01:22 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Dec 21 2010 /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf -> /etc/koha/mykoha-mysql.cnf | |
| 01:22 | oh wait | |
| 01:22 | wrong server | |
| 01:22 | lastnode | wont the koha-common package dependon mysql? |
| 01:22 | eythian | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Apr 28 16:30 koha-common.cnf -> debian.cnf |
| 01:23 | no, because it doesn't need mysql to be installed to work, if your database is on another server. | |
| 01:23 | * eythian | does update the docs to mention that though |
| 01:24 | lastnode | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start |
| 01:24 | not that i can find | |
| 01:24 | unless ive missed it | |
| 01:24 | anyway yeah, getting mysql now | |
| 01:24 | eythian | hit refresh, it'll be there |
| 01:25 | lastnode | like a boss, eythian |
| 01:25 | eythian | :) |
| 01:26 | lastnode | im trying to demo koha today for the prinicipal |
| 01:26 | /librarian | |
| 01:26 | the thing is, we're in sri lanka | |
| 01:26 | eythian | heh I did that just today for a school |
| 01:26 | lastnode | and a lot of the isbn searches i do via z.39 |
| 01:26 | bring up nothing | |
| 01:26 | bc of US based isbn | |
| 01:26 | is tehr some way i acan connect o a britishlibrary | |
| 01:26 | via z.39? | |
| 01:26 | or indian? | |
| 01:26 | eythian | yeah, you can |
| 01:27 | you just need to find their details | |
| 01:27 | lastnode | ok |
| 01:27 | sec, just settign this up | |
| 01:27 | im inside a vm bc i dont want to keep booting into ubuntu | |
| 01:27 | and to be honest, i wouldnt run koha on ubuntu anyway | |
| 01:27 | not for production | |
| 01:27 | bc in 12 months whenthat EOLs ill have to upgrade | |
| 01:27 | eythian | No, we recommend debian |
| 01:27 | lastnode | whereas with ubuntu i can install and upgrade next when i retire |
| 01:28 | *debian | |
| 01:28 | eythian | heh |
| 01:28 | well, if you stick to LTS versions, Ubuntu has a longer and more certain cycle than debian | |
| 01:28 | lastnode | i dunno, every production experience ive had with debian |
| 01:28 | *ubuntu has been pretty bad | |
| 01:28 | eythian | Yeah, me too |
| 01:29 | http://www.bl.uk/bibliographic[…]onfiguration.html <-- british library Z39.50 info | |
| 01:29 | but google will find you plenty more | |
| 01:29 | * eythian | has to go have lunch |
| 01:30 | lastnode | eythian: now that it says apache is running etc. |
| 01:30 | http://kohadmin should take me to admin right | |
| 01:40 | http://127.0.0.1:8080 wont take me to teh admins creen | |
| 01:40 | i even added listen 8080 to /etc/apache2/ports.conf | |
| 01:53 | eythian: just ping when ur back, mate | |
| 01:53 | imma brb | |
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| 02:29 | eythian | lastnode: you need to have DNS set up (or, for demo uses, edit the hosts file.) The hostnames are set to instance and instance-intra by default, but you can check in the apache config. |
| 03:01 | seneca joined #koha | |
| 03:02 | seneca | Anyone having any trouble with 3.5 and staff client access permissions? |
| 03:04 | from what I can tell, granting "catalogue" permissions to a patron no longer allows them to log in to the staff client | |
| 03:12 | the documentation for 3.4 makes it seem that in order to grant staff client-type permissions to a user, that user has to be type staff, but doing that seems to make no change. | |
| 03:17 | eythian | I don't think type matters (at least, last I looked.) It's a particular permission that does it. |
| 03:17 | But I don't think it's catalogue | |
| 03:17 | it's the one that says that it gives access to the staff interface. | |
| 03:17 | seneca | the docs say that's "catalogue" |
| 03:17 | libsysguy1 joined #koha | |
| 03:18 | seneca | and the description of that permissions is (Librarian Interface) |
| 03:18 | which seems to point to that permission being the one I want, but it isn't working | |
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| 03:19 | eythian | oh, view catalogue. I was confused with editcatalogue. |
| 03:19 | seneca | when I try to log in as a user with that permission, it tells me the user does not have permission to log into the staff client |
| 03:19 | eythian | Hmm, I've set that, it worked then |
| 03:19 | seneca | oh, osrry :) |
| 03:19 | yeah, I'm pretty sure it worked for us before the 3.5 upgrade earlier this summer | |
| 03:19 | eythian | but, it was a little while |
| 03:19 | ago | |
| 03:19 | right | |
| 03:20 | Does superlibrarian still work? | |
| 03:20 | seneca | but we're just now needing to add new staff |
| 03:20 | I don't believe so, but I've tried a lot of things today, so hold on ;) | |
| 03:20 | eythian | you know that running 3.5 in production is not recommeneded, right? |
| 03:21 | seneca | yeah, I do |
| 03:21 | eythian | OK cool :) |
| 03:21 | seneca | and superlibrarian does not work either |
| 03:21 | so, basically, I guess my problem is that koha is ignoring the user permissions | |
| 03:22 | grrr... and 3.6 isn't out until October, eh? ;) | |
| 03:22 | eythian | I'd make a critical bug on bugs.koha-community.org for it, it's not much good if you can't add staff. |
| 03:22 | libsysguy1 | speaking of 3.6...anybody got a preview of the catalog revamp yet? |
| 03:22 | eythian | Well, even numbers are the stable track, so 3.4 is the recommended one at the moment. |
| 03:22 | seneca | yeah |
| 03:22 | eythian | Not sure, I haven't heard of it, though it might be in someone's git repo. |
| 03:22 | seneca | I wonder how ugly downgrading via git is |
| 03:23 | eythian | You just need to change branches to v3.04.04 |
| 03:23 | rangi | i can add staff and login to my koha running master |
| 03:23 | seneca | it's a vm, so I'll just snapshot it before in case anything hoses itself |
| 03:23 | rangi | <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0500006" /> <!-- leave this for stats --> |
| 03:23 | seneca | is 3.4 master? |
| 03:23 | rangi | and http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/ |
| 03:23 | no 3.5 is | |
| 03:24 | seneca | hmm |
| 03:24 | 3.05.00.004 here | |
| 03:24 | rangi | is running 3.5, they have 40 odd libraries .. im sure i would have heard if they couldnt login :) |
| 03:24 | seneca | maybe those last 2 are important ;) |
| 03:24 | rangi | dont think so |
| 03:24 | there has not been a bug for logging in | |
| 03:24 | in ages | |
| 03:25 | (by ages i mean years) | |
| 03:25 | seneca | hmm |
| 03:25 | rangi | its most likely something with your configuration |
| 03:25 | eythian | well, it sounds more like a "new users permissions" thing |
| 03:25 | rather than a login, per se | |
| 03:25 | or the existing staff wouldn't be able to log in | |
| 03:25 | rangi | well if superlibrarian cant login |
| 03:25 | we'd have heard | |
| 03:25 | eythian | but maybe not if you just can't create new ones. |
| 03:25 | seneca | it's not only new users, though |
| 03:25 | eythian | oh right |
| 03:26 | I misunderstood above then | |
| 03:26 | seneca | it is ignoring permissions for even old users we'd like to turn into staff accounts |
| 03:26 | I'm afraid to try changing an already-working staff user account, but I'm curious as to whether it will ignore removal of permissions as well | |
| 03:26 | rangi | so you find a user, and make it superlibrarian? (category shouldnt matter at all) and it cant login? |
| 03:27 | seneca | correct |
| 03:27 | * rangi | tests |
| 03:27 | eythian | OK, so when you go back to the user, have the changed permissions saved? |
| 03:27 | libsysguy1 | rangi, to sign off on hourly all i need to do is select signed off and add a comment right? |
| 03:27 | rangi | yes please |
| 03:27 | seneca | yes, permissions are save |
| 03:27 | d | |
| 03:27 | libsysguy1 | ok well that is done :) |
| 03:28 | seneca | I've got a currently-working staff member I'm going to try to remove permissions from |
| 03:28 | hold on for data... | |
| 03:28 | * rangi | is home with the flu |
| 03:28 | * libsysguy1 | offers rangi theraflu |
| 03:28 | * rangi | head is pretty fuzzy still, just have to write an email then back to sleep |
| 03:29 | seneca | ooooo, interesting |
| 03:30 | removing "catalogue" from a currently working staffer blocks their staff client login | |
| 03:30 | let me see if putting it back returns their logins | |
| 03:30 | and it does! | |
| 03:31 | so... the problem gets more specific | |
| 03:32 | I cannot add accounts to the magic list of staff client users, but accounts that have had it before will work, even if their permissions have been removed and restored... | |
| 03:32 | eythian | that ... doesn't make sense to me |
| 03:32 | seneca | yeah |
| 03:32 | eythian | the magic list is determined by who has that permission. |
| 03:32 | seneca | me neither ;) |
| 03:32 | that would make sense to me | |
| 03:32 | libsysguy1 | is the flag for that in the db? |
| 03:33 | seneca | not sure what you mean, libsysguy1 |
| 03:33 | libsysguy1 | is there a flag in the db that defines who uses the staff client and who doesn't |
| 03:33 | dont** | |
| 03:34 | eythian | libsysguy1: well, there's the permissions in the database. |
| 03:34 | seneca | I'd assume it's that permission field, right eythian? |
| 03:34 | libsysguy1 | yeah I'm wondering if you can check to see if that is getting set correctly |
| 03:34 | seneca | if anyone knows that db location, I can check to make sure it is actually being set in the user's account |
| 03:35 | libsysguy1 | im on the wrong laptop to check that seneca im sorry :'( |
| 03:35 | eythian | I'm not sure, I'm checking |
| 03:35 | seneca | hehe |
| 03:36 | eythian | ah, the user_permissions table |
| 03:38 | seneca | so, a borrowernumber should be listed in there with catalogue permissions? am I understanding correctly? |
| 03:39 | eythian | hmm, that's what I'd expect, though the table I'm looking at now is empty. |
| 03:40 | seneca | I'm seeing lots of lines in that table |
| 03:40 | one borrowernumber has "edit_catalogue" | |
| 03:41 | but more than one user account has the permissions set and can log in successfully | |
| 03:41 | eythian | I would think the permissions should match the name in the UI, but I've never dug into this area before. |
| 03:41 | seneca | though maybe that's not the permission I'm looking for in the db |
| 03:42 | oh | |
| 03:42 | edit_catalogue is a different permission in the gui | |
| 03:42 | hold on | |
| 03:43 | eythian | well, there's also userflags, and I'm not sure how that relates |
| 03:43 | ohh | |
| 03:43 | rangi | im pretty sure thats the actual one |
| 03:43 | eythian | userflags is the top-level, and the permissions table goes under that. |
| 03:44 | seneca | so "catalogue" is bit 2 |
| 03:44 | according to userflags | |
| 03:46 | but I don't see any borrowernumber in user_permissions that has bit 2 | |
| 03:47 | and actually, I don't see the borrowernumber for my head librarian, whose account does work, so I'm thinking user_permissions is the place to be looking :) | |
| 03:48 | eythian | your head librarian isn't using the database credentials? (which would be frowned upon) |
| 03:48 | seneca | I don't understand the question |
| 03:49 | eythian | are they using a real login, or the database login, which will always log you in as a superlibrarian |
| 03:49 | seneca | they have their own personal user account |
| 03:50 | I thought you were saying that if they weren't using the db admin account it would be frowned upon, which would seem odd to me ;) | |
| 03:51 | eythian | oh, right |
| 03:52 | Hmm, there's a syspref that is commented out but that seems to be turned on in this database. So I can't turn it off. I don't like that. | |
| 03:52 | seneca | hmm |
| 03:53 | eythian | although the default is to be off, so I don't know how it got there in the first place. |
| 03:53 | rangi | SELECT borrowernumber, firstname, surname, flags, borrowers.branchcode, branches.branchname as branchname, |
| 03:54 | thats where its getting the permissions | |
| 03:54 | FROM borrowers | |
| 03:55 | seneca | hmm |
| 03:55 | "Flags? | |
| 03:56 | eythian | userpermissions must then track the sub-permissions. |
| 03:56 | user_permissions | |
| 03:56 | rangi | my $all_perms = get_all_subpermissions(); |
| 03:56 | seneca | ah |
| 03:57 | pastebot | "rangi" at 203.97.214.51 pasted "if ( $flags ) { foreach my $mo" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/18 |
| 03:57 | "rangi" at 203.97.214.51 pasted "if ( $flags ) { foreach my $mo" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/19 | |
| 03:58 | rangi | thats how the permissions get set, and pased to the template |
| 03:58 | seneca | I think I get it - |
| 03:58 | however | |
| 03:59 | rangi | and get_all_subpermissions gets the stuff from permissions and userflags |
| 03:59 | seneca | is the flag column in BORROWERS a cumulative bitcount? |
| 03:59 | rangi | yes |
| 04:00 | seneca | ok |
| 04:00 | so a value of 4 would be... | |
| 04:00 | rangi | no idea |
| 04:00 | seneca | haha |
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| 04:01 | rangi | SELECT flag, code, description FROM permissions JOIN userflags ON (module_bit = bit) |
| 04:01 | seneca | in userflags, it seems to be laid out |
| 04:01 | eythian | no, it's a bitmask |
| 04:01 | rangi | run that, and see |
| 04:01 | ah yes, eythian is right | |
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| 04:01 | eythian | (I'd expect) |
| 04:01 | seneca | oh |
| 04:01 | so my user's flag of 4 means that the third bit is marked? | |
| 04:02 | 1,2,4? | |
| 04:02 | eythian | yeah |
| 04:02 | seneca | and the third bit (bit 2) listed in userflags is "catalogue" |
| 04:03 | rangi | yup |
| 04:03 | seneca | so the flags column in BORROWERS is correctly showing the permissions the gui is showing |
| 04:03 | but I still can't log in ;) | |
| 04:03 | rangi | wrong password? |
| 04:03 | seneca | nope |
| 04:04 | we use ldap and I can log in to the OPAC just fine | |
| 04:04 | but not the staff client | |
| 04:04 | rangi | theres something up with your db/setup then |
| 04:04 | seneca | drat. |
| 04:05 | eythian | there's not some ldap flag that is require too, maybe? (I wouldn't think so) |
| 04:06 | but it doesn't make sense that existing users can have their permission turned on and off, but you can't give the permission to users who haven't had it set previously. | |
| 04:06 | seneca | I agree |
| 04:07 | we're only pulling a few fields from ldap | |
| 04:07 | names and card numbers | |
| 04:08 | it's like there's some other switch besides the "catalogue" flag | |
| 04:08 | but I don't know it if there is, and it's not in any docs | |
| 04:09 | I really appreciate you guys spending so much time on my problem, though | |
| 04:09 | rangi | i dont know of any other switch |
| 04:10 | eythian | Yeah, I don't think there is. |
| 04:10 | seneca | well, it's WAY past my bedtime |
| 04:11 | so I'm going to go sleep on it | |
| 04:11 | if you have any epiphanies, bryan.lakatosmvschool.com |
|
| 04:11 | :) | |
| 04:11 | rangi | do the borrowers have a valid categorycode set? |
| 04:11 | seneca | which borrowers? |
| 04:11 | rangi | thats the only othe thing i can think of |
| 04:11 | the ones that cant login | |
| 04:11 | seneca | is that patron,s taff, etc? |
| 04:11 | patron, staff, I mean | |
| 04:11 | rangi | its whatever you want it to be |
| 04:12 | but the value in the categorycode column | |
| 04:12 | seneca | well, right |
| 04:12 | rangi | in borrowers table |
| 04:12 | will need to be valid | |
| 04:12 | ie match one of the categories you have defined | |
| 04:12 | seneca | seems like it |
| 04:13 | I have the categorycode of PT | |
| 04:13 | which I believe is patron, as the gui shows | |
| 04:13 | but where are those categories defined in the staff client? | |
| 04:13 | rangi | in admin |
| 04:13 | borrower categories or the like | |
| 04:13 | seneca | oh, geez, under "patron categories" perhaps? ;) |
| 04:13 | rangi | :) |
| 04:14 | seneca | yeah, PT = patron |
| 04:14 | eythian | > <input type="hidden" value="HASH(0x4c99140)" name="tab"> |
| 04:14 | hmm | |
| 04:14 | rangi | the only thing i would try is making one a staff, (if you havent already) |
| 04:14 | ok, back to lseep i go | |
| 04:14 | seneca | yeah, I've tried that, unfortunately |
| 04:14 | feel better! | |
| 04:15 | is there anywhere that you can block a user category from accessing the staff client? | |
| 04:15 | or require a certain category for staff client access? | |
| 04:15 | maybe a new setting in 3.5? | |
| 04:15 | eythian | nothing I'm aware of |
| 04:16 | seneca | man, I always have the strangest problems... |
| 04:16 | ethian, you're using 3.4, right? | |
| 04:16 | eythian | yeah |
| 04:17 | seneca | I guess I can try a downgrade... |
| 04:17 | always leary of that | |
| 04:17 | er leery | |
| 04:17 | eythian | well, take a backup first then :) |
| 04:17 | seneca | yeah |
| 04:17 | yay for vms | |
| 04:18 | ok, thanks for the help | |
| 04:18 | there's my email up there if you remember anything else | |
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| 04:18 | seneca | and again, I really appreciate your help! |
| 04:18 | eythian | sweet as |
| 04:19 | seneca | one day I'll know enough about koha to return some of these favors... |
| 04:19 | ciao | |
| 04:21 | Oak | hello #koha :) |
| 04:21 | hello Mr. Robin | |
| 04:23 | eythian | hi :) |
| 04:23 | Oak | :) |
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| 05:09 | francharb | morning everyone |
| 05:13 | Oak | Bonjour francharb :) |
| 05:13 | francharb | hi Oak |
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| 05:59 | alex_a | hello ! |
| 06:00 | Oak | Bonjour alex_a !! |
| 06:00 | alex_a | hi Oak |
| 06:03 | Oak | @wunder islamabad |
| 06:03 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 33.0°C (11:00 AM PKT on August 30, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:04 | Oak | tomorrow is Eid here ... most probably. |
| 06:16 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 06:24 | eythian | magnuse: for your package deployments, you may want to have a look at bug 6275 - it could be useful |
| 06:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6275 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Automated backups of data and config |
| 06:26 | magnuse | eythian: yeah, i have been meaning to have a look at that |
| 06:26 | eythian | It's in master, but not 3.4 |
| 06:26 | magnuse | ah, ok |
| 06:26 | eythian | but it merges in fine |
| 06:26 | magnuse | cool |
| 06:26 | i'll definitely give it a go, but not sure when i will have the time... | |
| 06:27 | eythian | fair enough. It works fine, we have it in production. It's just a handy way of producing things you can rsync to off-site storage. |
| 06:27 | magnuse | which is really cool, of course! |
| 06:28 | is it "just" the db, or any other files as well? | |
| 06:28 | eythian | the db and anything in /etc/koha/sites/<instance> |
| 06:28 | magnuse | cool |
| 06:28 | eythian | so if you put all your customisations in there, all you need to do is koha-restore to get it back. |
| 06:28 | magnuse | eythian++ |
| 06:29 | ah like css and stuff? | |
| 06:29 | eythian | yeah, if you put them there and symlink them across. |
| 06:29 | magnuse | ooh, very cool! |
| 06:29 | eythian | although, it would be better to put them in /var/lib/koha/somewhere and include them in the backups, really. |
| 06:31 | * magnuse | goes wasp-hunting |
| 06:32 | eythian | have ... fun |
| 06:32 | magnuse | sorry, there was one flying around me, don't now where it went now... |
| 06:33 | eythian | it's flown into your shirt or is sitting on your head. That's what they usually do. |
| 06:33 | magnuse | hope not! |
| 06:36 | oh well, maybe it flew out... | |
| 06:37 | eythian | just keep saying that to yourself |
| 06:37 | magnuse | yup |
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| 06:38 | magnuse | what worries me most is i have three dogs who like to chase flies, and i don't want to find out haow they'd react to a sting... |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:39 | eythian | they'd stop chasing flies. |
| 06:39 | magnuse | bonjour biblibre |
| 06:39 | eythian: hm, maybe... | |
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| 06:42 | cait | magnuse++ |
| 06:42 | magnuse | gbsd email? |
| 06:42 | cait | yep |
| 06:43 | although there could be a lot of other good reasons :) | |
| 06:43 | magnuse | nah |
| 06:46 | cait | :) |
| 06:48 | hdl | hi all |
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| 07:00 | magnuse | hiya Irma and julian |
| 07:00 | julian | hello magnuse |
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| 07:03 | sophie_m | hi #koha |
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| 08:09 | kf | hi #koha |
| 08:52 | reiveune | ? |
| 09:09 | kf | hi reiveune |
| 09:09 | reiveune | hi kf |
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| 11:17 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 12:48 | jcamins_away | chris_n: how are things by you? |
| 12:49 | oleonard | Congrats on the new job trea |
| 12:49 | trea | thx owen |
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| 13:20 | Agent_Dani | \o |
| 13:29 | magnuse | oh wow, congrats, trea! how cool is that?!? |
| 13:29 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5806] Search results display items for all locations when the SearchMyLibrary first system pref is activated <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5806> |
| 13:30 | trea | i know! :D |
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| 13:32 | oleonard | Sounds like a ByWater customer is using/going to use the IndependantBranches option? |
| 13:32 | kf | hi trea, oleonard and sekjal |
| 13:32 | sekjal | oleonard: a few of our partners do |
| 13:32 | hi, kf | |
| 13:33 | trea | hi kf |
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| 13:33 | kf | hi pelletiermaxime |
| 13:33 | oleonard | sekjal: I'm happy to see it get some attention. |
| 13:34 | pelletiermaxime | good morning =) |
| 13:44 | sekjal | oleonard: in the medium-long term, it'll need to be split into multiple preferences. IndependentPatrons, IndependentCataloging, IndependentOPAC, etc |
| 13:45 | and I'd like to see singleBranchMode removed, and replaced with a subroutine that just counts the number of configured branches. If 1, then it's a single branch; else, not | |
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| 13:48 | kf | sekjal: it would be nice if you could group branches and have flags for opac visibility |
| 13:48 | would make it possible to have invisible internal departments | |
| 13:49 | sekjal | kf: agreed. |
| 13:49 | I'd like see the Branch Groups functionality do a little more | |
| 13:49 | kf | jwagner? |
| 13:50 | jwagner | Hi there |
| 13:50 | kf | hi |
| 13:50 | about bug 5806 - I see you changed it back to needs sign-off | |
| 13:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5806 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Search results display items for all locations when the SearchMyLibrary first system pref is activated |
| 13:50 | kf | but I see no patch or code for it |
| 13:50 | or note where to find it | |
| 13:50 | jwagner | I didn't change it, I just added myself as a cc |
| 13:50 | kf | oh |
| 13:50 | sorry then! | |
| 13:50 | misread the bugzilla mail | |
| 13:50 | jwagner | It kept telling me I was colliding with someone, so it may have gotten confused |
| 13:51 | kf | ah, I think it was perhaps because you had the bug open when I saved my changes? that it changed back? |
| 13:51 | yes, I think that#s the problem :) | |
| 13:51 | jwagner | Might be. Two ships colliding in the night, and all that.... |
| 13:53 | kf | have changed it back :) |
| 13:53 | wizzyrea | anybody have any ideas about mr. Harbottle's fatal error (from the list)? |
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| 13:54 | oleonard | Seems awfully common these days wizzyrea |
| 13:54 | wizzyrea | oh oh, is that the problem where he hasn't run the remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl |
| 13:55 | no, doesn't look like that | |
| 13:58 | oleonard | At least 10 emails to the Koha list in the last 3 months with this same error |
| 13:59 | kf | could be an indexing problem too |
| 13:59 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 13:59 | not quite the same | |
| 13:59 | line 2880 seems to be unique | |
| 14:01 | I'm going to ask if it's a clean or upgrade, which minor release, if he's reindexed, if he gets results when he searches, etc. | |
| 14:01 | anything else you want me to add? | |
| 14:01 | since I'm sending this anyway :P | |
| 14:02 | kf | hm |
| 14:02 | something wrong with the frameworks perhaps? | |
| 14:02 | wizzyrea | i'll ask if he's using a translation |
| 14:02 | good pt | |
| 14:02 | kf | oh translation is a good point too |
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| 14:04 | sekjal | wizzyrea: it's in the _AddBiblioNoZebra subroutine |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | ooooooo |
| 14:04 | I bet he's running nozebra | |
| 14:04 | maybe? | |
| 14:04 | libsysguy | does anybody know how series searching works? |
| 14:04 | kf | upgrading from a nozebra installation |
| 14:04 | ...? | |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | that could be too |
| 14:04 | kf | you can't select nozebra now |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | ohsnap! maybe he imported a db with a preference set that he now can't unset |
| 14:05 | kf | libsysguy: can you specify your quetion? :) |
| 14:05 | libsysguy | I imported a bunch of ebooks and they had series information embeded in teh marc record |
| 14:05 | kf | libsysguy: you can not search for series? |
| 14:05 | in which field came the series information? | |
| 14:05 | libsysguy | 490a |
| 14:05 | kf | and can you search for it using the keyword index? |
| 14:06 | libsysguy | yes I can |
| 14:06 | but i can't limit by series | |
| 14:06 | kf | but not from series? |
| 14:06 | limit means using the special search option series? | |
| 14:06 | libsysguy | keyword search http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…]h.pl?q=STAT%21Ref |
| 14:06 | limit my series http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…]medical%20library. | |
| 14:07 | kf | hm doesn't open for me :( |
| 14:07 | libsysguy | 0_0 |
| 14:07 | either link? | |
| 14:07 | kf | looooading... |
| 14:07 | no timeout yet | |
| 14:07 | wizzyrea | same here |
| 14:07 | libsysguy | weird |
| 14:08 | is this just as slow? http://catalog.uttyler.edu/ | |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 14:08 | libsysguy | that is very odd |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | (I just tried that) |
| 14:08 | webpage is not available, timeout | |
| 14:09 | libsysguy | the load is normal |
| 14:09 | kf | same here |
| 14:09 | libsysguy | where are you accessing it from? |
| 14:09 | just curious | |
| 14:09 | it shouldn't have any effect | |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | um, kansas. |
| 14:10 | ^.^ | |
| 14:10 | tha intarwebs. | |
| 14:10 | kf | wizzyrea: good mail :) shoudl save that and use as template! |
| 14:10 | germany! | |
| 14:10 | :) | |
| 14:10 | need an ip address? | |
| 14:10 | libsysguy | 129.114.128.216 |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | i can get pings to it both by name and IP |
| 14:11 | libsysguy | oddness |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | though that's not the IP the name is returning |
| 14:12 | but I get pings back from that IP too | |
| 14:12 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6806] Encoding problem with biblio titles in subscription-add.pl <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6806> |
| 14:12 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "for libsysguy - ping results for catalog.uttyler.org" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/20 |
| 14:13 | libsysguy | oh that is probably the DNS server |
| 14:13 | kf | libsysguy: perhaps it's the ! in your link... not related to the access problem, but I wondered if it's broken for other series too? |
| 14:13 | libsysguy | interesting idea |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | not sure I understand your logic there, but ok |
| 14:14 | :) | |
| 14:15 | jcamins | wizzyrea: wizzyrea Zebra is finicky? ;) |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | no no, about the dns server. |
| 14:16 | zebra *is* finicky | |
| 14:16 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 14:17 | No idea about the DNS. | |
| 14:17 | libsysguy | hmm i may have an actual access issue |
| 14:17 | kf | libsysguy: I checked the indexing for 490 on current maser - i think it should work |
| 14:20 | libsysguy | kk give me one sec to fix the access issue in ASA |
| 14:20 | the pitfalls of a giant blanketing firewall | |
| 14:21 | ok those links should be fixed now | |
| 14:22 | wizzyrea | it's pretty :) |
| 14:22 | kf | looks better |
| 14:22 | libsysguy | haha better than a blank page |
| 14:22 | kf | nice layout :) |
| 14:22 | libsysguy | in another life i did a lot of web devel |
| 14:23 | thanks :) | |
| 14:23 | kf | Davis’s drug guide for nurses ? |
| 14:24 | libsysguy | haha yeah... |
| 14:25 | looks like a smart quote got in there | |
| 14:25 | kf | http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…]medical%20library. this link works |
| 14:25 | so it could be a problem with the ! I think | |
| 14:25 | jcamins: around? | |
| 14:25 | jcamins | I am. |
| 14:25 | What's up? | |
| 14:26 | kf | any idea if you need to escape ! in zebra search urls? :) |
| 14:26 | libsysguy | yeah but this works too http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…].pl?q=se:STAT!Ref |
| 14:26 | jcamins | You shouldn't. |
| 14:26 | kf | libsysguy: weird! |
| 14:26 | libsysguy | totally |
| 14:26 | and I did a full reindex last night | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | Unless there is more punctuation... <! or !- for example, might cause problems. |
| 14:26 | libsysguy | so I know it can't be that |
| 14:27 | kf | libsysguy: how does the 490 field look like? |
| 14:27 | I can't see it in the marc view | |
| 14:27 | jcamins | Resend the link that doesn't work? |
| 14:28 | libsysguy | http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…]medical%20library. |
| 14:28 | kf | =490 0\$aSTAT!Ref electronic medical library. |
| 14:29 | jcamins | It's the spaces. |
| 14:29 | libsysguy | i knew it |
| 14:29 | kf | oh! |
| 14:29 | libsysguy | GRR |
| 14:29 | kf | but why does eletronic medial library work then? |
| 14:29 | libsysguy | oh touche` |
| 14:30 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 14:30 | Good point. | |
| 14:30 | libsysguy | http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…]medical%20library. |
| 14:30 | fails | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | Okay, what's the entity for an exclamation mark? |
| 14:31 | kf | probably you need to define one |
| 14:31 | or.. not sure | |
| 14:31 | libsysguy | what do you mean entity? |
| 14:31 | kf | and it works without the other words |
| 14:31 | jcamins | I mean, the urlencoded thing. |
| 14:31 | Sorry, I've been working with a lot of XML recently. | |
| 14:31 | I mean "not an entity at all." ;) | |
| 14:32 | libsysguy | %21 |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Wait. |
| 14:33 | We've seen this before. | |
| 14:33 | It's Zebra. | |
| 14:33 | kf | zebra! |
| 14:33 | libsysguy | cursed Zebra |
| 14:33 | * kf | giggles |
| 14:33 | libsysguy | Dun dun DUUU |
| 14:33 | jcamins | It's using the wrong index. |
| 14:33 | kf | se,phr? |
| 14:34 | jcamins | Right, due to unexplained peculiarities, that index is not entirely functional. |
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| 14:34 | * libsysguy | scratches head |
| 14:34 | jcamins | wrdl works. |
| 14:35 | kf | hm |
| 14:35 | weird | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | Putting it in quotes works because it forces it to use the working portion of the se,phr index. |
| 14:35 | kf | checked in one of my catalogs |
| 14:35 | things like https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin[…]r%20Sprachenkunde work nicely | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | Yeah, it has to do with the length of the index. |
| 14:35 | kf | oh! |
| 14:35 | adnc | hello, I've on my koha opac login-page some default text, like: If you don't have a password yet, stop by the circulation desk the next time you're in the library. We'll happily set one up for you. |
| 14:36 | kf | so long series titles are having problems and shoter not? |
| 14:36 | adnc | which settings controls this? |
| 14:36 | jcamins | kf: I think so. |
| 14:36 | kf | hi adnc |
| 14:36 | adnc | hi kf |
| 14:36 | libsysguy | which explains why it works when you shorten it |
| 14:36 | kf | there is currently no syspref for, but you can change or remove it by using jquery |
| 14:36 | and jcamins++ | |
| 14:36 | jcamins | So you can fix this by mucking around with record.abs. |
| 14:36 | adnc | kf, by editing what? |
| 14:36 | libsysguy | so technically there is a syspref for it lo |
| 14:37 | lol** | |
| 14:37 | kf | opacuserjs |
| 14:37 | libsysguy | actually I think i have the js to fix it |
| 14:37 | wizzyrea | oleonard: i'm looking at your most recent patch for 2534 |
| 14:37 | libsysguy | one moment |
| 14:37 | adnc | ok |
| 14:37 | kf | adnc: do you want to remove or change it? |
| 14:37 | adnc | remove |
| 14:37 | kf | ah, that should be quite easy |
| 14:38 | even using css | |
| 14:38 | pastebot | "libsysguy" at 129.114.242.85 pasted "JS for opac auth" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/21 |
| 14:38 | kf | opacusercss #nologininstructions {display:none;} |
| 14:39 | libsysguy | there you go adnc |
| 14:39 | adnc | thank you very much |
| 14:39 | libsysguy | np |
| 14:39 | jcamins++ | |
| 14:39 | wizzyrea | I wonder if you could put the sidebar back, but below the table, so that when the table is full width, horizontal scrolling cuts off the sidebar instead of the labels for the item input |
| 14:40 | kf | bug 2534 |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | otherwise, we like that |
| 14:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2534 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizontal scrolling |
| 14:41 | adnc | kf, what was that file? I'm using debian and need to search for that file |
| 14:41 | kf | no need to change a file |
| 14:41 | jcamins | kf: just modify opacusercss. |
| 14:41 | kf | system preference opacusercss :) |
| 14:41 | adnc | ohh |
| 14:41 | libsysguy | oh...that code i sent was for the js |
| 14:41 | kf | libsysguy makes it possible to have your own text |
| 14:42 | and my trick removes the exsting text | |
| 14:42 | libsysguy | right :) |
| 14:42 | kf | hm |
| 14:42 | libsysguy | too bad we can't put the news feed there |
| 14:43 | kf | only that it doesn't work for me... checking what's wrong |
| 14:43 | adnc | wonderfull |
| 14:43 | thanks | |
| 14:43 | kf | so it works for you? |
| 14:44 | ah, works now for me to, cache probably | |
| 14:44 | adnc | kf, yes sure. I just set the css id #nologininstructions |
| 14:44 | to display none | |
| 14:44 | kf | :) |
| 14:45 | oleonard | Sorry, was afk. Someone talking to me? |
| 14:45 | wizzyrea | it was me :) |
| 14:46 | I was looking at your fix for bug 2534 | |
| 14:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2534 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizontal scrolling |
| 14:46 | wizzyrea | I wonder if you could put the sidebar back, but below the table, so that when the table is full width, horizontal scrolling cuts off the sidebar instead of the labels for the item input |
| 14:46 | oleonard | Sidebar below the table... on the left of the add item inputs? |
| 14:46 | wizzyrea | right |
| 14:46 | correct | |
| 14:48 | oleonard | I'd be happy to give that a try |
| 14:49 | libsysguy | jcamins do you know what it is in record.abs that I need to modify? |
| 14:49 | jcamins | libsysguy: what's the line for melm 490... look like? |
| 14:49 | There may be two. | |
| 14:50 | libsysguy | melm 490$a Title-series:w,Title-series:p |
| 14:50 | melm 490$9 Koha-Auth-Number | |
| 14:50 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:50 | libsysguy | oh and melm 490 Title,Title-series |
| 14:50 | jcamins | First of all, you're aware that 490 isn't the right field for limits in general, right? |
| 14:50 | libsysguy | thats the only bits I have |
| 14:51 | i am not... | |
| 14:51 | but I could be | |
| 14:51 | lol | |
| 14:51 | jcamins | Well, limits should probably be based on 830, which is a controlled heading. 490 is text only. |
| 14:51 | kf | jcamins: it's the search for series links in the deatil page and the links in facets not working |
| 14:51 | ah | |
| 14:51 | jcamins | kf: facets = limits. |
| 14:51 | kf | got it - thx :) |
| 14:52 | libsysguy | gotcha |
| 14:52 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6817] In overdue.pl, downloading the overdues as a file ignores the filters if the page isn't in english. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6817> / [Bug 5630] CAS improvements <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5630> |
| 14:52 | jcamins | libsysguy: so, I'm going to explain how to fix the 490 issue, because fixing it to work with 830 requires serious reconfiguration. |
| 14:52 | However, I wanted to make sure you knew, so when your technical services librarians told you it was "broken," you'd know what they meant. | |
| 14:52 | libsysguy | oh man...ok im holding on to me seat |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | sekjal++ it's totally to do with nozebra |
| 14:54 | (the harbottle question) | |
| 14:54 | he's currently running nozebra | |
| 14:55 | jcamins | libsysguy: so, here's the fix: |
| 14:55 | melm 490$a Title-series:w,Title-series:p,Title:w | |
| 14:55 | Keep melm 490$9 as is | |
| 14:55 | oleonard | offlist reply wizzyrea ? |
| 14:55 | jcamins | melm 490 Title-series:w,Title-series:p,Title:w |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 14:55 | i'm sending it | |
| 14:55 | jcamins | Reindex. |
| 14:55 | wahanui | somebody said reindex was a go, and now it is time to sleep. |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | forget reindex |
| 14:56 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot reindex |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Actually, I think I said that. |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 14:57 | oleonard | Too bad, I was about to take wahanui's advice. |
| 14:57 | libsysguy | ok i guess I shall wait till tonight...I think I've had enough downtime tonight |
| 14:57 | wizzyrea | nap? |
| 14:57 | wahanui | nap is the best thing you can do for yourself. Ever. |
| 14:57 | libsysguy | today* |
| 14:58 | oleonard | wahanui has obviously never had that tossing-and-turning-for-2-hours at bedtime following a good nap |
| 14:58 | wahanui | oleonard: huh? |
| 14:58 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 14:59 | sekjal | It would be good for the community to have a larger knowledge bank about NoZebra... but it just doesn't come up as often |
| 14:59 | kf | libsysguy: if you ahve a dev installation you might need to copy the file from kohaclone to koha-dev |
| 15:00 | libsysguy | I actually made the change in Koha-dev |
| 15:00 | was that a bad idea | |
| 15:02 | jcamins | libsysguy: check it works like that, then make the changes in kohaclone. |
| 15:02 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6292] Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292> |
| 15:02 | kf | sophie_m: hi sophie_m - is there a problem with bug 6292? |
| 15:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea | nozebra is deprecated ... right? |
| 15:03 | libsysguy | jcamins++ |
| 15:03 | kf | libsysguy: and after you made the changes in kohaclone - write a patch :) |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 15:03 | libsysguy | oh so its not just a weird obscure problem that I was having |
| 15:03 | excellent | |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | it's a weird obscure problem you were having that you can fix :) |
| 15:04 | so no one else has it ^.^ | |
| 15:04 | reiveune | bye |
| 15:04 | kf | yep |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | bye |
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| 15:04 | sekjal | NoZebra is still a valid configuration, I believe. or, at least, I think that it should be |
| 15:04 | kf | sophie_m: I see the new patch :) |
| 15:04 | libsysguy | so jcamins...how did you come across your zebra knowledge |
| 15:05 | sophie_m | kf : yes, one of our customer notices that if a borrower has tow issues with different due_date in the same level of notification, he receives several letters (but the same content) |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | well, if that's true then why have we hidden the pref? |
| 15:05 | kf | sophie_m: and there is the thing I missed to check while testing... :( I will try to look at the follow up |
| 15:06 | libsysguy: magic | |
| 15:06 | sekjal: it's not possible to select nozbra for new installations now | |
| 15:06 | sophie_m | kf, it's very difficult to test every configurations. samples are always poorer than reality |
| 15:06 | libsysguy | jcamins is the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra |
| 15:06 | kf | sekjal: but I think it's not totally dead yet |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | jcamins? |
| 15:06 | wahanui | i guess jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications |
| 15:07 | wizzyrea | jcamins is also the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra |
| 15:07 | wahanui | okay, wizzyrea. |
| 15:07 | kf | hehe |
| 15:07 | wizzyrea | jcamins? |
| 15:07 | wahanui | well, jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra |
| 15:07 | libsysguy | lol I love it :) |
| 15:07 | wizzyrea | that almost deserves a quote add. |
| 15:07 | lol | |
| 15:07 | @quote add <libsysguy> jcamins is the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra | |
| 15:07 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #150 added. |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Time for an early lunch. BRB |
| 15:08 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 15:08 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #149: "mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!" (added by druthb at 01:15 AM, August 26, 2011) |
| 15:08 | wizzyrea | rofl. |
| 15:08 | libsysguy | lmao |
| 15:08 | * wizzyrea | imagines steve ballmer |
| 15:08 | libsysguy | oh Ballmer |
| 15:08 | sekjal | I'm all for using Zebra over NoZebra, but as we gear up to make use of Solr, we may as well be sure we can support a MySQL-only search setup |
| 15:09 | kf | hm |
| 15:09 | jcamins | sekjal++ # agreed, and now to lunch! |
| 15:09 | kf | ok |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | http://www.spike.com/video-cli[…]/developers-remix |
| 15:09 | sekjal | what would be boss: being able to toggle between the different search methods with a system preference, and not have anything break |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | that would be super boss |
| 15:09 | kf | time to leave and deal with the boring distance study book |
| 15:09 | sekjal++ | |
| 15:09 | bye all | |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | bye kf |
| 15:09 | libsysguy | bye kf |
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| 15:12 | libsysguy | so we might be moving to Solr |
| 15:12 | * libsysguy | quivers with excitement |
| 15:12 | sekjal | libsysguy: BibLibre has done extensive work with it |
| 15:12 | but it still needs to be integrated | |
| 15:12 | and we need to be sure that both Zebra and Solr are equally supported at the choice of the library | |
| 15:13 | oleonard | wizzyrea: http://screencast.com/t/coDn4Ltn7H6 |
| 15:13 | sekjal | Solr is much heavier-weight than Zebra, and some smaller installs may not be able to handle it |
| 15:13 | libsysguy | i see |
| 15:13 | sekjal | but for larger installs, or clusters of smaller ones, it may well make life MUCH better for everyone |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | oleonard++, but what ydo you think? |
| 15:13 | libsysguy | well its written in Java so i guess that is expected |
| 15:13 | lol | |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | I think I like it |
| 15:14 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Looks weird to me, but seems like a viable option |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | keeps your "doin' stuff" things together |
| 15:14 | it looks weird to me too, probably because the line on the menu doesn't line up with anything | |
| 15:17 | libsysguy | wizzyrea: oleonard: you could just move the line to the left and have the tabs jutt out to the right |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | nah, that doesn't solve the problem |
| 15:17 | which is that when you scroll horizontally | |
| 15:17 | you lose the add item field labels | |
| 15:17 | (without the menu/sidebar there) | |
| 15:18 | we're actually going to send your options off to some of our catalogers :) | |
| 15:18 | see which they like | |
| 15:21 | oleonard | Updated: http://screencast.com/t/9OgYo8eyrJE |
| 15:21 | libsysguy | catalogers.... |
| 15:21 | jcamins | libsysguy: I learned about Zebra because things were broken. |
| 15:21 | libsysguy: did my change fix it? | |
| 15:21 | libsysguy | well I can't know until i reindex |
| 15:21 | and I can't do that until tonight | |
| 15:21 | jcamins | libsysguy: ah. You don't need to use -r. |
| 15:22 | libsysguy | oh... |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | actually, whatever subtle thing you did to that |
| 15:22 | oleonard, made a huge difference | |
| 15:22 | jcamins | libsysguy: just use rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -v |
| 15:22 | oleonard | I narrowed the sidebar and gave the whole section some padding on the top |
| 15:22 | jcamins | libsysguy: you may still want to wait, so the server isn't under so much load. |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | I like that actually |
| 15:23 | oleonard | ...which I can do because additem has its own page-specific stylesheet |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | whoot whoot :) |
| 15:23 | libsysguy | well it does that anyway every 5 mins |
| 15:23 | err | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | libsysguy: no, it does it with -z every 5 minutes. |
| 15:23 | libsysguy | well it does a...yeah |
| 15:23 | that | |
| 15:23 | lol | |
| 15:24 | its still going to take awhile to dump all those records | |
| 15:25 | So I should be able to answer your question in about 4 hours | |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | oleonard we had a crazy idea |
| 15:35 | oleonard | Uh oh. |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | i was carefully reading the bug report for this issue we're thinking about right now |
| 15:35 | the moredetail.pl page is a little redundant, but the additem page doesn't show the history | |
| 15:36 | what if the additem table included the history info, and that view was the only items view? | |
| 15:36 | i told you it was crazy | |
| 15:37 | something like 2 rows for each item - the stuff that's there now, and a 2nd row for history | |
| 15:37 | perhaps expandable? | |
| 15:38 | and you did that column selector thing for the batch processing interface, could that be used here? | |
| 15:39 | oleonard | The thing about moredetail.pl is that it's accessible by circ staff, and it's the only way they have to make stuff lost/withdrawn/damaged. |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | right, and in some cases it's the only way that stuff WORKS |
| 15:40 | as in the case of lost | |
| 15:40 | I told you it was crazy :) | |
| 15:42 | * wizzyrea | is annoyed, my git branch autocompletion isn't working. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | git has branch autocompletion? |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | it used to! |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Where you just hit tab and it autocompletes? |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | I used to be able to git checkout qa-3 <tab> and it would find all the 3's |
| 15:43 | then I could pick | |
| 15:45 | jcamins | That's pretty nifty. |
| 15:45 | * wizzyrea | mutters more |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | *yours* works |
| 15:45 | jcamins | I don't think so. |
| 15:45 | But it's a nifty idea. | |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | yea, it used to work :( |
| 15:46 | and supposedly it's native to git now, but for the life of me I can't make it work again. | |
| 15:46 | oh well. | |
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| 16:04 | rhcl | whooa. Looks like I logged on in the middle of something. I need to take cover. |
| 16:05 | jcamins | rhcl: nope. |
| 16:05 | ketchup: just had an exasperating phone call. What I was hoping was an honest mistake was actually an unethical attempt to avoid paying for highly skilled labor. | |
| 16:06 | ketchup | ic |
| 16:06 | * jcamins | gets very worked up about this kind of thing. |
| 16:06 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6271] GetItemIssue(s) : renewals in both items and issues tables <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6271> |
| 16:07 | * jcamins | considers that justified. |
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| 17:32 | libsysguy | sekjal: you around? |
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| 17:34 | sekjal | libsysguy: yes |
| 17:34 | libsysguy | I just wanted to know if there was anything I needed to do for notices |
| 17:35 | sekjal | libsysguy: what do you mean? |
| 17:35 | for the RFC? | |
| 17:35 | libsysguy | yes |
| 17:35 | sekjal | compile everything on the list that you wish to propose, and put it on the wiki |
| 17:35 | libsysguy | ok cool thanks |
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| 17:36 | sekjal | libsysguy: look at some of the existing RFCs to get an idea on formatting and sections to include |
| 17:36 | libsysguy | yeah I was just reading the page on how to create an RFC |
| 17:37 | cait | hi alll |
| 17:37 | wizzyrea | whaddup cait :) |
| 17:37 | cait | hi liz |
| 17:37 | wizzyrea | so what do you think about the idea that "all functions available on the circulation screen should be available to people with circulation permissions" |
| 17:38 | cait | 13 pages of distance study book read - yay :) |
| 17:38 | hm not sure i understand it | |
| 17:38 | can you explain? | |
| 17:39 | oh, you were talking to libsysguy? | |
| 17:39 | libsysguy | umm i don't think so but maybe...were you wizzyrea |
| 17:39 | wizzyrea | nah, I was talking to whoever is listening |
| 17:40 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | well, for example |
| 17:40 | the overdue report | |
| 17:40 | on the main circ screen | |
| 17:40 | you must have "reports" | |
| 17:40 | permisison to run it | |
| 17:40 | libsysguy | for our points and purposes that wouldn't be a good idea |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | (now I understand that it's a resource hog) |
| 17:40 | libsysguy | we have student workers that aren't allowed to access this information |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | well then I contend it shouldn't be there. or should be hidden unless you have the permission. |
| 17:41 | libsysguy | now i've confused myself |
| 17:42 | so you do or don't want stuff like that around | |
| 17:42 | wizzyrea | it may be a bug that you can see it at all without the proper permissions |
| 17:42 | libsysguy | ahhh |
| 17:43 | well in that case I am unsure | |
| 17:43 | wizzyrea | I think what I'm saying is the following |
| 17:43 | of all the items listed on that page | |
| 17:43 | should the circulation permission cover all of them? | |
| 17:43 | apparently not | |
| 17:44 | which brings up the question: should that report be on that page, or should it be in reports (which is currently the permission required to run it) | |
| 17:44 | libsysguy | oh I think i understand...maybe it is just an oversight but I think you are right you should have to have permissions for those objects to be rendered |
| 17:46 | cait | hm |
| 17:46 | good question | |
| 17:47 | moving them might be inconvenient | |
| 17:47 | do we need more granular permissions? like having a circ_reports perm? | |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | well, did you see the mail to the list from ms. culberson? |
| 17:48 | libsysguy | wizzyrea: do you know if this has already been taken into account with the rewrite of circulation |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | I honestly have no idea on that front. |
| 17:48 | that's a good question | |
| 17:48 | cait | rewrite of circulation? |
| 17:48 | libsysguy | I would like to check out that branch and look at it |
| 17:48 | but i don't know where it is | |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | oh biblibre's circ rewrite? |
| 17:49 | libsysguy | yeah |
| 17:49 | man biblibre is on the ball with the new stuff | |
| 17:49 | wizzyrea | it's difficult to test sometimes |
| 17:49 | that's actually old stuff | |
| 17:50 | old-new stuff | |
| 17:50 | libsysguy | i was just looking at their solr implementation |
| 17:50 | cait | yeah, the problem is the tesitng |
| 17:50 | and that it's been rebased ans squased together several times now | |
| 17:51 | libsysguy | yeah i can see how there is an issue |
| 17:51 | it would be better if they did it in smaller patches | |
| 17:51 | how many people work for biblibre? | |
| 17:51 | wizzyrea | and solr is troublesome because we'd want to run alongside zebra, and it currently doesn't (at least it didn't last time I knew) |
| 17:51 | libsysguy | I wonder if it could be an installation choice |
| 17:52 | zebra or solr | |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | that's thte idea |
| 17:52 | it should be, and it's not, currently | |
| 17:52 | jcamins | It would need to be. |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | it's solr or nothing. |
| 17:52 | (in their current implementation) | |
| 17:52 | libsysguy | right |
| 17:52 | but i can understand their frustration with zebra | |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | who can't ;) |
| 17:52 | libsysguy | but solr is pretty huge |
| 17:53 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 17:53 | libsysguy | too bad smaller libraries can't ban together and get some kind of EC2 instance to share |
| 17:53 | jcamins | libsysguy: that wouldn't work in places like Afghanistan. |
| 17:53 | libsysguy | true |
| 17:54 | what about nozebra | |
| 17:54 | is that going away? | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | sekjal was saying it should be made to work again, but right now it's bit-rotted. |
| 17:54 | libsysguy | that sounds pretty terrible lol |
| 17:54 | jcamins | It sure is! |
| 17:55 | sekjal | I'm sure there is a way to get better performance out of a MySQL-only implementation of Koha... somehow... |
| 17:56 | wizzyrea | I want to know what kind of hardware this guy on the list is using that he 'can't' run with zebra for 13k records. |
| 17:56 | it's gotta be like a p2 or something. | |
| 17:56 | libsysguy | punchcards... |
| 17:56 | sekjal | wizzyrea: must be less than 256MB RAM and under 5GB harddrive |
| 17:56 | or, perhaps he's on RedHat | |
| 17:57 | wizzyrea | if that's meant to be sarcastic, that's the best curse ever. |
| 17:58 | who runs anything with a 5gb HD?! | |
| 17:58 | he runs it from a live booting USB thumb drive. | |
| 17:58 | that must be it. | |
| 17:58 | libsysguy | carrier pigeons for networking |
| 18:00 | * jcamins | thinks it's RedHat. |
| 18:00 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6351] Cannot delete library-specific circulation rules <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6351> |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 18:02 | cait | hehe |
| 18:02 | hm, this bug sounds familiar - thought ruth fixed it | |
| 18:02 | pumpkin, ginger and honey, bad or good plan? | |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | oh it's a followup |
| 18:03 | libsysguy | speaking of ruth...where is she today |
| 18:03 | cait | have seen her earlier |
| 18:03 | sekjal | druthb did indeed solve 6351 |
| 18:04 | libsysguy | oh i must've missed her...darn |
| 18:04 | sekjal | but I've reopened it because I've found more to it |
| 18:04 | her fix stands | |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | i'm testing your followup :) |
| 18:04 | sekjal | but a couple other template scope issues need to be resolved for some of the other areas |
| 18:05 | cait | evil template things, still hiding in there |
| 18:05 | sekjal: could you do qa on some of the template processing things? | |
| 18:05 | it needs more work still | |
| 18:05 | sekjal | cait: bug number? |
| 18:05 | cait | but easy to read patches |
| 18:05 | I always search for translation processing, give me a sec | |
| 18:06 | bug 6458 | |
| 18:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing |
| 18:06 | sekjal | wizzyrea/jcamins: Mr. Harbottle's indicates he's on Debian |
| 18:06 | cait | and one of the patches owen signed off on I have to redo |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | yep :) |
| 18:07 | cait | and nobody commented on my recipe idea... so it is probably a bad plan :) |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | recipe idea? |
| 18:07 | cait | pumkin ginger and honey |
| 18:07 | jcamins | sekjal: huh. Go figure. |
| 18:07 | cait: mmm. | |
| 18:07 | cait | and it's too late already, because it's in the oven now :) |
| 18:07 | jcamins | Pie? |
| 18:07 | cait | no, only the pumpkin without any dough |
| 18:08 | as kind of potato replacement | |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | ok, someone who has figured out how to obsolete patches from the git bz |
| 18:09 | how do you do it? | |
| 18:10 | cait that sounds like a pumpkin souffle, but no eggs? | |
| 18:10 | you could also make pumpkin custard | |
| 18:10 | nom | |
| 18:10 | you're right though, you can use squash pretty much anywhere you'd use sweet potato | |
| 18:11 | sekjal | cait: I'm not seeing exactly what those patches do differently... (looking at http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=5125) |
| 18:13 | ah | |
| 18:13 | template directives in HTML tags | |
| 18:13 | cait | removing directives from within the html tag |
| 18:13 | yep | |
| 18:13 | sekjal | gotcha |
| 18:13 | cait | it seems a smart thing to do, but it's not |
| 18:13 | causing me trouble | |
| 18:13 | or everyone not using en | |
| 18:13 | sekjal | I'll look for that, then, and start passing them through QA |
| 18:13 | cait | nice :) |
| 18:14 | I hope to finish most of them this week | |
| 18:14 | gmcharlt | chris_n: is 6747 a candidate for backporting to 3.4.x ? |
| 18:14 | cait | signing off on owens and doing the rest |
| 18:14 | bug 6747 | |
| 18:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6747 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Additional check in opac-export |
| 18:16 | sekjal | wizzyrea: thanks for the tests on 6351 followup patch |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea | yvw |
| 18:16 | thought i'd start doing that, where I list what was tested in case it's not enough. | |
| 18:16 | then someone can be like well she didn't test that, maybe I will | |
| 18:17 | cait | wizzyrea++ :) |
| 18:17 | bug 6351 | |
| 18:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6351 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, REOPENED , Cannot delete library-specific circulation rules |
| 18:17 | wizzyrea | otherwise it's kind of assumed that they tested everything, and no one thinks of everything |
| 18:17 | sekjal | wizzyrea: an excellent practice |
| 18:17 | wizzyrea | i have experience, sadly. :/ |
| 18:19 | cait | we all miss things, I think best bet is to do it like you describe |
| 18:19 | :) | |
| 18:20 | sekjal | anyone object to me pushing this 6351 followup through QA (since I authored)? |
| 18:20 | wizzyrea | I don't, afaict it works in all circumstances (on the default library and specific ones) |
| 18:22 | sekjal | okay, then, I'm going to pass it. objections can be noted on the bug report (as always) |
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| 19:35 | Agent_Dani | Whenever I see "Puppet Labs" my mind reads "Muppet Labs." |
| 19:35 | Wrong window... | |
| 19:35 | * wizzyrea | loves this game |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | (that is the "come out with the most unique non-sequitur and frame it as a mistell" game) |
| 19:36 | Agent_Dani | hehe! |
| 19:36 | There was a discussion in another channel about the Puppet configuration management tool... | |
| 19:42 | jcamins | Agent_Dani: I think chef is something similar. |
| 19:44 | Agent_Dani | It is. |
| 19:45 | I'm familiar with Puppet as we use it at $job. | |
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| 19:56 | wizzyrea | rhcl: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/d[…]id=72331&source=0 |
| 19:59 | seneca | ouch |
| 20:00 | jwagner | crop circles??? |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | nope, storm damage from a really seriously heavy storm we had a few weeks ago |
| 20:00 | crop damage | |
| 20:00 | wind flattened, then hail thrashed | |
| 20:02 | rhcl | wizzyrea: we have rural deposit sites, where the library has a bookshelf or two at businesses or post offices in small towns; books are on a honorary checkout and checkin system. |
| 20:03 | we have our outreach person do monthly runs to these sites and yesterday just for fun I met him for lunch at a very small town with a small restaurant | |
| 20:03 | the farmers there we talking about all the damage they received, and how the corn had blown down strangely in some parts of their fields, and in other areas not at all | |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | oo interesting |
| 20:05 | seneca | anyone ever see a problem where koha won't honor staff client permissions granted to users? |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | hmm, can you be specific? |
| 20:06 | which permission? | |
| 20:07 | I had a situation just the other day where a user thought that simply creating a "staff" account was enough to confer permission -- but that's not true, you have to assign the permissions in the patron account with more -> set permissions | |
| 20:07 | seneca | catalogue |
| 20:07 | wahanui | hmmm... catalogue is only to view the catalogue |
| 20:07 | seneca | aka access to the staff client |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | editcatalogue |
| 20:07 | seneca | doesn't catalog grant access to the staff client? |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | let's find out >.> |
| 20:08 | seneca | the docs say it is... ;) |
| 20:09 | well, regardless, it doesn't matter. | |
| 20:09 | making the account a superlibrarian doesn't allow staff client logins either | |
| 20:09 | warning, I'm using 3.5 | |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | my test user, with the only permission of "catalogue" gives access to look |
| 20:09 | mine is on master | |
| 20:09 | (3.5) | |
| 20:09 | have you created your libraries? | |
| 20:10 | seneca | eythian and rangi were helping me late last night (local) and we couldn't figure it out |
| 20:10 | looking in the db, it appears that the permissions are getting set correctly in the flags column | |
| 20:10 | yeah, this is an established library | |
| 20:11 | cait | night all |
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| 20:12 | rhcl | @seen rangi |
| 20:12 | huginn | rhcl: rangi was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 57 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <rangi> ok, back to lseep i go |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | what are the characteristics of the patron you are trying to assign the permissions to? |
| 20:12 | patron/account | |
| 20:12 | seneca | patron |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | (they are the same) |
| 20:13 | seneca | the account I'm trying to give access is a "patron" as are the already working user accounts |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | and there is no error? |
| 20:13 | seneca | though those were given staff client permissions before we upgraded to 3.5 |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | when you try to add the permissions? |
| 20:14 | rhcl | sekjal: sent request for access |
| 20:14 | seneca | no errors |
| 20:14 | and like I said, it's being reflected correctly in the db | |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | right |
| 20:14 | so | |
| 20:14 | sekjal | rhcl: access granted |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | did they make you clear your cache/cookies/history? |
| 20:14 | in your browser? | |
| 20:14 | rhcl | sekjal: disregard |
| 20:14 | seneca | yeah |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | and you're using a sane browser? |
| 20:15 | seneca | I've been testing this from multiple computers |
| 20:15 | yeah | |
| 20:15 | chrome and firefox | |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | :) yep that's sane |
| 20:16 | seneca | crud - I just saw the time |
| 20:16 | I'll be back on in a bit... | |
| 20:16 | sorry! | |
| 20:16 | and thanks! | |
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| 20:25 | wizzyrea | i hate it when I just get curious about a problem, and then the person disappears. :) |
| 20:27 | well I did not know that | |
| 20:27 | you can search for a patron based on username. | |
| 20:27 | hawt | |
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| 22:41 | seneca | good evening (for those of you in the EST) |
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| 22:51 | seneca | so, I have this problem... |
| 22:51 | anyone running 3.5? | |
| 22:51 | (I know it's not "stable") | |
| 22:52 | but I'm trying to track down a bug | |
| 22:52 | mtj | i have a 3.5 about... |
| 22:52 | if 3.5 == master | |
| 22:52 | seneca | if you grant "catalogue" permissions to a user/patron, can they log into the staff client? |
| 22:52 | I think it does | |
| 22:53 | I have a 3.5 installation that is acting VERY strange | |
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| 22:53 | seneca | we've been using koha for over a year now |
| 22:53 | with several users who have staff client access | |
| 22:54 | this summer I upgraded to 3.5 via git | |
| 22:54 | and just yesterday we added an account for a new staffer but could not grant them staff client privileges | |
| 22:54 | even selecting "superlibrarian" didn't affect it | |
| 22:55 | mtj | seneca: they should be able to - thats what the 'catalogue' priv is specifically for |
| 22:55 | seneca | attempting to log on gets a "don't have permissions" error |
| 22:55 | that's what I thought | |
| 22:55 | that's not the only weird thing, though | |
| 22:56 | I removed that perm from a staffer account from last year (pre-upgrade), checked to make sure they couldn't log in, then added it back | |
| 22:56 | they were able to log in! | |
| 22:57 | I've checked the "flags" column in BORROWERS in the db, and the flags are identical, as are the gui checkboxes that govern the flag column | |
| 22:57 | so we cannot now grant staff client perm to any user that did not have it prior to the upgrade | |
| 22:58 | though we can take it away and return it to any user that DID have it prior to the upgrade | |
| 22:58 | tell me that's not strange | |
| 22:58 | it's like there's some other switch somewhere I don't know about... | |
| 22:58 | all users are "patron" type | |
| 22:59 | mtj | yeah, sounds a bit weird |
| 22:59 | seneca | heh |
| 22:59 | rangi, eythian and I were working on it last night, but couldn't figure it out | |
| 22:59 | I had to bow out for a few hours of sleep | |
| 23:00 | mtj | but hey... you upgraded your prod system to master ?!? |
| 23:00 | seneca | the can't-grant problem affects new users and old users (from pre-upgrade) |
| 23:00 | yeah, I know | |
| 23:00 | ... | |
| 23:00 | jcamins | Very weird. |
| 23:00 | seneca | I had read that many others were running production 3.5 and figured it was mostly safe |
| 23:00 | I'm very impressed with 3.5, it's very slick | |
| 23:01 | this is the only bug I've found | |
| 23:03 | mtj | seneca: my head koha is currently a little busted... |
| 23:04 | just updating it now, before i look at yr bug | |
| 23:04 | seneca | I appreciate it |
| 23:06 | mtj | i started a big deb5-> deb6+raid+xen upgrade on my dev box, last friday... |
| 23:06 | seneca | how'd it go? |
| 23:07 | mtj | ... and ive only just got the xens booting successfully about 30 mins ago :p |
| 23:07 | truly epic | |
| 23:07 | seneca | hehe |
| 23:07 | but sounds successful | |
| 23:08 | mtj | i think i probably encountered all the upgrade problems i could possibly have! |
| 23:08 | seneca | well, if I can help in any way, let me know |
| 23:08 | I'm pretty linux knowledgable | |
| 23:08 | not to toot my own horn | |
| 23:09 | mtj | broken grub, grub2, initramfs, non mounting raids, and then non booting xens |
| 23:09 | seneca | geez |
| 23:09 | upgrade, not fresh install? | |
| 23:10 | mtj | buy hey, i had a pretty complex setup... and i worked thru every problem, and fixed them |
| 23:10 | seneca | awesome |
| 23:10 | congrats | |
| 23:13 | mtj | yep, and i now know a whole bunch about debugging non-booting systems, so it was an ok experience :) |
| 23:13 | seneca | there you go |
| 23:14 | "If you get something right, you know something; if you get something wrong, you learn something." | |
| 23:24 | mtj | seneca: its works as expected on my master |
| 23:25 | seneca | drat |
| 23:25 | I mean, I'm glad for you ;) | |
| 23:28 | mtj | so, its basically the borrowers.flags value that controls access |
| 23:28 | seneca | yeah |
| 23:28 | that's what I've figured out | |
| 23:28 | mtj | thats where the user perms are stored |
| 23:29 | seneca | and a value of "4" means only the "catalogue" perm is on |
| 23:29 | and that is beign set correctly | |
| 23:29 | being | |
| 23:29 | mtj | hmm, its '0' for me.. |
| 23:30 | seneca | that should be "superlibrarian" |
| 23:30 | if I understand it correctly | |
| 23:31 | mtj | super is '1' for me... |
| 23:31 | seneca | hmm |
| 23:31 | eythian | 0 means no flags, it's a bitmask |
| 23:31 | mtj | our 'userflags' table is diff.? |
| 23:31 | eythian | (at least, I assume it's a bitmask, I haven't looked at the code) |
| 23:31 | seneca | yeah, I think it's a bitmask |
| 23:31 | ok | |
| 23:31 | yeah | |
| 23:31 | I was thinking wrong | |
| 23:32 | pastebot | "mtj" at 203.97.99.222 pasted "useflags" (46 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/22 |
| 23:32 | seneca | 0 is the count of the bit for super |
| 23:32 | but masking that bit would be 1 | |
| 23:32 | eythian | which means the bit in position 0 should be set to 1 for super. |
| 23:32 | seneca | yeah |
| 23:32 | hi again eythian | |
| 23:32 | I was mis-thinking | |
| 23:32 | eythian | hi |
| 23:32 | wahanui | privet, eythian |
| 23:33 | seneca | so, mtj, what is "0" |
| 23:33 | eythian | if I were you, I'd put tracing statements in the code. I bet there's some bizarre corner case you're hitting. |
| 23:33 | mtj | well, on *my* master its catalogue |
| 23:33 | seneca | weird |
| 23:34 | eythian | that is weird. I would not expect that. |
| 23:34 | seneca | yeah |
| 23:34 | eythian, can I ask what your catalogue mask is? | |
| 23:35 | eythian | I don't know, I haven't got a master handy. Give me a minute I'll make one. |
| 23:35 | mtj | fyi: my userflags table might be trashy - its a dev/test db im looking at here.... |
| 23:35 | seneca | if you mark an account with catalogue only, what is the flags value? |
| 23:35 | ah, mtj, that might be it | |
| 23:36 | eythian | mtj: it still shouldn't be zero, no matter what, that has to mean no flags. |
| 23:36 | seneca | in my db "NULL" means no flags |
| 23:36 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 23:36 | eythian | I'd think that if you unset everything, it'd end up being 0 |
| 23:36 | null probably just means never set. | |
| 23:36 | hmm | |
| 23:36 | mtj | well, its 0 for me, and its working as expected... ? |
| 23:37 | eythian | odd |
| 23:37 | * eythian | will find out soon. |
| 23:37 | seneca | hehe |
| 23:37 | mtj | oops, its 4 , not 0 for catalogue :/ |
| 23:37 | sorry folks | |
| 23:38 | seneca | ok, verified that "0" is no flags set, "NULL" is no flags ever set |
| 23:38 | hehe | |
| 23:38 | no prob | |
| 23:38 | glad your db is n't weird ;) | |
| 23:39 | mtj | seneca: so with a userflag of 4, a user should be able to log in |
| 23:39 | ... if the userflags table is correct | |
| 23:39 | pastebot | "eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "Initial state of two users" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/23 |
| 23:39 | eythian | so, one of those is a superlibrarian, the other is a regular user |
| 23:39 | mtj | so check yr userflags table ;) |
| 23:40 | seneca | yeah |
| 23:40 | "catalogue" is the 3rd bit, so a mask of 4 is correct | |
| 23:40 | but it's not working for me | |
| 23:41 | pastebot | "eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "Set user 68 to have catalogue permissions" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/24 |
| 23:41 | seneca | it doesn't matter what perms I set, users who have never had staff client access can't get in |
| 23:42 | same stuff I'm seeing eythian | |
| 23:42 | eythian | this user can now log in |
| 23:42 | seneca | grrr |
| 23:42 | mtj | look in your log |
| 23:42 | seneca | eythian, what kind of tracers were you referencing? |
| 23:42 | which log? | |
| 23:43 | mtj | you will probably find a nice db error there |
| 23:43 | eythian | basically, chucking print STDERR "Got here and var=$var\n"; in the code and seeing what happens in your apache error log |
| 23:43 | mtj | the koha error log |
| 23:44 | pastebot | "eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "Remove catalogue permissions" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25 |
| 23:44 | eythian | > Error: You do not have permission to access this page. |
| 23:44 | exactly like I'd expect | |
| 23:45 | seneca | that's the error I'm getting on the staff login page, so I'd assume that's the error I'd see in the koha error log |
| 23:45 | but I'm looking... | |
| 23:45 | eythian | I don't think it logs those things to the error log |
| 23:45 | because they're not software errors | |
| 23:46 | mtj | correct eythian :) |
| 23:46 | seneca | yeah, I'm not seeing anything related |
| 23:46 | eythian | that's why I'd put prints in the code, to see what happens when Koha tries to log the user in. |
| 23:47 | (warning: the authorisation code is terribly twisted in places, but for something like this you should be able to figure it out) | |
| 23:47 | seneca | fun! ;) |
| 23:47 | mind if I c/p your code from above, eythian? | |
| 23:48 | eythian | of course you can :) |
| 23:48 | but you'll need to adjust it to suit where you are in the code | |
| 23:49 | seneca | hmm... |
| 23:49 | where would you suggest I start sticking it?;) | |
| 23:50 | eythian | Probably C4/Auth.pm, but to be sure, this is the login page form: |
| 23:50 | <form action="/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl" method="post" name="loginform" id="loginform"> | |
| 23:50 | so you could start there and see what it does. | |
| 23:50 | mtj | seneca: the other long-shot is your koha has a goofy syspref flicked on |
| 23:50 | cas or ldap auth, or restricted IP's etc | |
| 23:51 | seneca | well, I'm using ldap |
| 23:51 | for user auth | |
| 23:51 | and it's working... | |
| 23:52 | mtj | hmmm, but you are experiencing some problems too? ;) |
| 23:52 | seneca | well, I am |
| 23:52 | mtj | so, yeah - its poss. something around your ldap too |
| 23:53 | seneca | BUT |
| 23:53 | mtj | setup another clone, turn off ldap... is your problem still there? etc... |
| 23:53 | seneca | my account, which is the one I'm testing this with, and which cannot log in to the staff client regardless of the perms I set, can log into the OPAC |
| 23:54 | mtj | sure, thats expected, i think... |
| 23:55 | ie: there are no perms needed to log into the opac | |
| 23:55 | seneca | would the staff client login get something different from ldap than OPAC login? |
| 23:55 | mtj | just a valid user/pwd |
| 23:55 | seneca | there are never perms needed to log into the OPAC, though |
| 23:55 | it's always just a user/passwd | |
| 23:55 | right? | |
| 23:55 | mtj | yep, as i said |
| 23:56 | seneca | plus, the error I'm getting is that I don't have perms, not that the user/passwd failed |
| 23:56 | so ldap is working... | |
| 23:56 | but for some reason koha isn't caring what's in the flags column | |
| 23:57 | mtj | i would def. test without ldap - if i were you |
| 23:57 | and with a fresh syspref table from git | |
| 23:57 | eythian | it's worth a shot. |
| 23:57 | Well, I'd do one at a time | |
| 23:57 | turn off ldap, see if that helps. | |
| 23:58 | seneca | I figured I'd try the tracker first |
| 23:58 | eythian | If not, then reset the sysprefs |
| 23:58 | seneca | seems easier, but I can't figure out where to put it... |
| 23:59 | mtj | eythian: i'd do one at a time too ;) |
| 23:59 | seneca | indeed ;) |
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