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| 00:02 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #313: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/313/ |
| 00:02 | cnighswonger: Bug 5379 - import_borrowers.pl fails with db insert/update errors | |
| 00:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5379 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , import_borrowers.pl fails with db insert/update errors |
| 00:03 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 314 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:45 | Project Koha_master build #314: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/314/ | |
| 00:45 | * pianohacker: Bug 6492 - Deleted biblios cause rebuild_zebra to fail | |
| 00:45 | * januszop: Bug 6470 - Unable to filter out log entries for kohaadmin (user 0) | |
| 00:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6492 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pianohacker, ASSIGNED , Deleted biblios cause rebuild_zebra to fail |
| 00:45 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6470 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Unable to filter out actions made by kohaadmin | |
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| 02:23 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 02:23 | rangi | hi Brooke |
| 02:23 | Brooke | :) |
| 02:28 | eythian | hi |
| 02:28 | Brooke | ahoy Robin |
| 02:28 | holy smokes, Batman, I've just unmasked the Boy Wonder! | |
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| 02:41 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 02:57 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6411 add another example to README.robots <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b894a306876c66d17> |
| 03:03 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 315 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 03:05 | rangi | http://www.koha.my/?p=45 |
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| 03:09 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8b44e1244bea369b2> / Bug 6298 : Add optional dependency on Gravatar::URL 1.03 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aa9fd1c4073e4dc57> / Bug 6298 : Create new ShowReviewerPhoto preference <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]iff;h=413f3069610 |
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| 03:19 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/master' into new/bug_6350 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]07026d54ff9f85a28> / Bug 6350 Updating history <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2d2e8b4bb5ca6f911> |
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| 03:38 | rangi | crap, that was pretty big |
| 03:38 | mtj | ooh, i got that one too :/ |
| 03:40 | heya chris, welcome home! | |
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| 03:42 | rangi | thanks |
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| 03:46 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #315: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/315/ |
| 03:46 | mason: Bug 6411 add another example to README.robots | |
| 03:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6411 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add another example to README.robots file |
| 03:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 316 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 03:52 | rangi | http://geonet.org.nz/earthquak[…]uakes/latest.html |
| 04:01 | chilts | I didn't enjoy that one :) |
| 04:01 | :( | |
| 04:01 | wrong parenthesis | |
| 04:01 | rangi | yeah lucky it was deep |
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| 04:02 | ibeardslee | chilts: put it down to you still being shaking |
| 04:03 | koha | owy |
| 04:03 | ibeardslee | .. one of those 'ing's probably needs to be different |
| 04:03 | chilts | ibeardslee: yeah, this building rattled like a snake |
| 04:06 | eythian | I didn't feel it at all. |
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| 04:07 | koha | owh |
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| 04:29 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #316: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/316/ |
| 04:29 | * lrea: Bug 6313 -- Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items | |
| 04:29 | * francois: Bug 6298 : Add avatar picture of comment author in OPAC | |
| 04:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6313 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items |
| 04:29 | jenkins_koha | * francois: Bug 6298 : Show avatars on the recent comments page |
| 04:29 | * francois: Bug 6298 : Hide avatars when ShowReviewer is off | |
| 04:29 | * francois: Bug 6298 : Create new ShowReviewerPhoto preference | |
| 04:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6298 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fmarier, ASSIGNED , Profile pictures in the OPAC next to review authors |
| 04:29 | jenkins_koha | * francois: Bug 6298 : Add optional dependency on Gravatar::URL 1.03 |
| 04:29 | * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version | |
| 04:29 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 6350 Updating history | |
| 04:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6350 trivial, P5, ---, nengard, NEW , Bug for tracking updates to the history file |
| 04:33 | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6551] applying lending rules by item-level itypes <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6551> | |
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| 05:29 | cait | morning #koha |
| 05:30 | Judit | mornig cait |
| 05:32 | cait | earthquakes in wellington? hope everything is ok |
| 05:33 | Space_Librarian | it was a little shake. nothing really. :) |
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| 05:38 | cait | ok |
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| 06:07 | francharb | morning #koha |
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| 06:24 | alex_a | hi |
| 06:25 | cait | morning francharb and alex_a :) |
| 06:25 | francharb | hi cait |
| 06:29 | alex_a | morning cait |
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| 06:31 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:32 | cait | hi reiveune |
| 06:32 | and time to go :) | |
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| 06:43 | clrh | hello |
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| 06:48 | hdl | Hi |
| 06:48 | Hi Irma | |
| 06:50 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
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| 07:10 | Oak | kf |
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| 07:11 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:12 | Oak | guten morgen kf |
| 07:12 | kf | Salaam Oak |
| 07:12 | Oak | :) |
| 07:13 | how many days till you receive your laptop? | |
| 07:13 | kf | thursday I was told |
| 07:14 | no status change on the website though... going to call them later | |
| 07:14 | Oak | ah, not far now |
| 07:14 | kf | feels like forever :) |
| 07:14 | Oak | waiting does that you :) for anything |
| 07:14 | kf | true |
| 07:15 | Oak | i would not call them if I were you... wait till Thursday |
| 07:17 | alex_a | hi Oak :) |
| 07:17 | Oak | Bonjour Monsieur alex_a |
| 07:18 | :) see, with a capital 'M'. I remembered | |
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| 07:43 | kf | Oak: there is something weird about the status - that's why I will call |
| 07:44 | Oak | hm |
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| 07:59 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 07:59 | Oak | aha |
| 07:59 | Hello Brooke :) | |
| 07:59 | long time | |
| 08:00 | * Brooke | hugs Oak. |
| 08:00 | Oak | Oh sister where were you? :) |
| 08:01 | Brooke | doing me rarified other "job" |
| 08:02 | Oak | good. |
| 08:02 | Brooke | ha says you |
| 08:02 | but at least it shook some rust off ;) | |
| 08:02 | Oak | good to have you back :) |
| 08:02 | Brooke | thanks, I'll get a big head if you keep on this way |
| 08:04 | Oak | heh, that I don't believe. |
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| 08:05 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 08:10 | * Brooke | <3s that Nawlins = Nawlins in Te Reo. |
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| 08:26 | * Brooke | puts glue on hdl's shoes. |
| 08:27 | hdl | hi Brooke |
| 08:27 | Brooke | bonjour |
| 08:27 | wahanui | niihau, Brooke |
| 08:28 | kf | hi hdl |
| 08:29 | congrats to biblibre :) | |
| 08:30 | Brooke | indeed! |
| 08:34 | hdl | kf what for |
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| 08:34 | alex_a | thx kf :) |
| 08:34 | but why ? | |
| 08:43 | oakivil | kf are you gettin my private message? |
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| 08:45 | kf | hdl: young innovative company :) |
| 08:46 | hdl | oh... |
| 08:46 | yea thanks. | |
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| 08:59 | oakivil | what if my lib was to build a module to speed up cataloguing component parts and implement multipart biblios in native OPAC? |
| 09:00 | any ideas how much time it would take? | |
| 09:00 | kf | depends on what you want to do entirely I think |
| 09:01 | oakivil | so if you have defined MARC21 field 773/w to point to some other record's 001 field, it would automatically be display in OPAC as a child |
| 09:01 | kf | hm |
| 09:01 | there was some development to do that on an item level | |
| 09:01 | oakivil | so when you select the parent item with 001, you can see all its siblings |
| 09:01 | kf | perhaps you want to look at that |
| 09:01 | but I think your solution might bemoer on the title level like oursß | |
| 09:02 | oakivil | well it wouldnt matter what the topmost item is |
| 09:02 | book or set or audio or whatnot | |
| 09:02 | its all about the relationship, if it exists | |
| 09:02 | kf | there is an rfc on the wiki and some code |
| 09:02 | only thinking about it now - sorry | |
| 09:02 | it's for analytics | |
| 09:03 | oakivil | links? |
| 09:03 | kf | so on the analytic record the item from the serial/mother record shoes |
| 09:03 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ic_Record_support | |
| 09:03 | bug 5528 | |
| 09:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Analytical records support |
| 09:04 | kf | here are some comments on it, problems we found: http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg00855.html |
| 09:08 | Oak | time to get ready for class |
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| 09:35 | oakivil | is anybody working on analytic record support? |
| 09:35 | Assigned To : Galen Charlton | |
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| 10:01 | druthb | o/ |
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| 10:25 | juan_sieira_ | Hi #koha |
| 10:25 | is there any function or .pl to show a MARC view of an authority? | |
| 10:28 | kf | juan_siera: what do you want to do? |
| 10:28 | in opac you can activate an authority browser, searching there will give you a marc view in the details | |
| 10:29 | there is not erally a normal view for authorities - the list ist readable, but the details are always showing the marc fields | |
| 10:29 | in intranet you can also search for authorities | |
| 10:31 | juan_sieira_ | yes, but, librarians want to show a marc view of an authority, for example, when you are cataloguing, search for an authority |
| 10:31 | like when searching for z3950, in cataloguing module | |
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| 10:50 | juan_sieira_ | kf: there is nothing about it in koha. I did it for authorities |
| 10:51 | kf | sorry phone call |
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| 11:17 | kf | juan_sieira_: still not sure I understand it correctly - you could add a link to the plugin in cataloging (if there is none already) to the authority record in the authorities module |
| 11:19 | juan_sieira_ | when you are cataloging, and searching in Z3950, in the list of biblios you can view it as card, marc ... |
| 11:20 | like this, I want to view the same in authorities list, when I do a search for authorities, in cataloguing, the window that is open when I do a clic in "..." link | |
| 11:20 | Marc view | |
| 11:21 | kf | hm |
| 11:21 | sounds like a new feature to me | |
| 11:21 | I think we have no different views for authorities at the moment - it's always kinda marc | |
| 11:22 | perhaps you can do it using the same thing used for the biblio records | |
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| 11:27 | kf | jcamins_away: around? |
| 11:28 | jcamins_away | kf: yes. |
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| 11:28 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 11:28 | kf | ah hi :) |
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| 11:29 | kf | I wondered if you can tell me something about cataloging oil paintings, coins, medals and other things in marc21 |
| 11:29 | hard or doable? perhaps some hints? | |
| 11:29 | jcamins | I didn't catalog realia in MARC21, but definitely doable. |
| 11:30 | kf | hm ok |
| 11:30 | jcamins | The 245$h is [realia]. The relevant chapter in AACR2 is chapter 10. |
| 11:30 | kf | so you don't know if koha will display the fields needed? |
| 11:31 | AACR2 - I have stayed away from that | |
| 11:31 | jcamins | I do not. |
| 11:31 | kf | is it online? |
| 11:31 | jcamins | Ah, true, you have German cataloging rules. |
| 11:31 | Not unless you're paying a fortunate for access. | |
| 11:31 | kf | will ask my coworker, she perhaps has it in print |
| 11:32 | jcamins | If you have access to OCLC, you could download a record for an asteroid, see if everything shows up. :) |
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| 11:33 | * jcamins | doesn't know which record that is, alas. |
| 11:34 | jcamins | But there's definitely a record for an asteroid in OCLC. |
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| 11:44 | kf | jcamins: do you have the oclc number? |
| 11:44 | ah, shoudl read all | |
| 11:44 | and yes, we have it in print | |
| 11:44 | but there it's lacking marc field numbers and categories... so I put it back on shelf quickly | |
| 11:45 | and we found some paintings in our union catalog using 245$h and 300 for dimensions, looks doable | |
| 11:45 | jcamins | kf: hm, yes. That's true. |
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| 12:22 | jcamins | kf: still around? |
| 12:22 | kf | yes here |
| 12:22 | jcamins | I'm looking at bug 6292, which you marked as failed QA. |
| 12:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist |
| 12:23 | jcamins | It's early, so I'm having trouble identifying exactly what the problem is. |
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| 12:27 | oakivil | ok, so how do I add this Analytic record support -module to my Koha install? |
| 12:27 | jcamins | oakivil: if you mean the module from OSS Labs, they have to provide the code. |
| 12:28 | oakivil | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5528 |
| 12:28 | huginn | 04Bug 5528: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Analytical records support |
| 12:28 | oakivil | this is what i mean |
| 12:28 | I just dl:d the git-source | |
| 12:28 | and now I'm trying to figure it out. | |
| 12:28 | jcamins | oakivil: that won't work with 3.4, so far as I know. |
| 12:29 | oakivil | ok |
| 12:29 | jcamins | They're rebasing. |
| 12:29 | I could be mistaken. | |
| 12:29 | oakivil | would have been nice to test it out and see what has been done |
| 12:29 | do you know how can i contact the author? | |
| 12:30 | kf | there might be still a branch on git for it? |
| 12:30 | not 3.4 but perhaps ok for testing | |
| 12:30 | oakivil | i got the git-source |
| 12:30 | but its such a pain to install it :D | |
| 12:30 | kf | hm, when you have a git install all you have to do it a git checkout |
| 12:30 | and drop recreate your database | |
| 12:30 | jcamins | oakivil: having the source is probably not going to help. |
| 12:31 | oakivil: if I understand correctly where things are, that is still using HTML::Template::Pro. | |
| 12:31 | kf | jcamins: yes, I tested this and I failed it - not sure my descriptions make sense. Basically it listed the wrong items in the wrong letters. |
| 12:31 | ah right | |
| 12:33 | oakivil | the wiki description sounds brilliant, but I have no idea how much of it has been implemented. I cant just say that this module will solve our problems without testing it first |
| 12:34 | kf | the description on the wiki was done by ian - implemented from another company |
| 12:34 | so there might be some differences | |
| 12:34 | jcamins | oakivil: it's a nifty feature, but it's not nearly as fully-featured as the RFC. |
| 12:34 | At least, that was my impression. | |
| 12:34 | oakivil | ok |
| 12:34 | thats good to know | |
| 12:35 | hmm so maybe it is 40% complete? | |
| 12:35 | kf | I think you are right jcamins |
| 12:35 | the wiki implementation was more general too | |
| 12:35 | wiki descpription | |
| 12:35 | oakivil | wiki implementation was quite good |
| 12:35 | kf | I think to amke this work for sets / general relationships t owuld need some more work |
| 12:35 | oakivil | very well thought out |
| 12:35 | kf | sekjal++ |
| 12:35 | read hourly loans - that's coming and a good read too :) | |
| 12:36 | jcamins | The people who worked on it always insisted that everything worked, though, and never gave any instructions on installing it properly, so there is the possibility that everything they claim was written, and I just don't know how to install it. |
| 12:37 | The analytic module by OSS Labs does not offer a basis for arbitrary bibliographic relationships. | |
| 12:38 | oakivil | ok |
| 12:39 | but i expect the authorities module to work flawlessly | |
| 12:39 | its such a simple piece it seems | |
| 12:39 | jcamins | oakivil: hehehe! |
| 12:39 | oakivil | wrong again :) |
| 12:39 | just lists of words | |
| 12:40 | how can someone screw that up? | |
| 12:40 | or am i totally wrong? | |
| 12:40 | oleonard | How hard can it be to program an ILS, right? It's just a database. |
| 12:40 | oakivil | haha |
| 12:40 | not talking about ils, but authorities | |
| 12:41 | kf | yes, but a database with insane rules... (quoting rangi here) |
| 12:41 | @quote 123 | |
| 12:41 | huginn | kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 12:41 | jcamins | @quote get 123 |
| 12:41 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 12:41 | kf | thx :) |
| 12:41 | oakivil: what's the problem with authorities? | |
| 12:42 | oakivil | i was just asking that :D |
| 12:42 | is there a problem? | |
| 12:42 | I presume not | |
| 12:43 | jcamins | oakivil: authority control presently requires that the numeric authid be embedded in the bibliographic record. |
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| 12:44 | oakivil | so you embed only the authId not the value of authId? |
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| 12:44 | oakivil | in marcxml? |
| 12:44 | kf | hm, I think what you mean is that the auth_id from the auth_headers table must be = 001? |
| 12:45 | we cheated a little there | |
| 12:46 | jcamins | kf: no, I mean in the bib record, a subject heading looks like this: |
| 12:46 | =650 00$aTransportation$xTrains.$9123 | |
| 12:46 | kf | yep, should be $0 |
| 12:47 | but koha is older than $0 is | |
| 12:47 | oakivil | now im not following? |
| 12:47 | jcamins | kf: either way, it's dumb. :P |
| 12:47 | kf | it's not a mistake to use unique number for identifying records |
| 12:47 | I disagree :) | |
| 12:48 | jcamins | No, but it's a mistake to not be able to work with any bibliographic records not produced in Koha. |
| 12:48 | kf | oakivil: authorities could be better integrated, but basic features work |
| 12:48 | ok | |
| 12:48 | jcamins | Remember, there's no working linker. |
| 12:48 | kf | but I think that could be fixed by using better import scripts |
| 12:48 | oakivil | is $9123 a auth_id? |
| 12:48 | kf | oakivil: yes |
| 12:48 | jcamins | 123 is the authid. $9 is the subfield marker. |
| 12:48 | kf | the number of the authority record |
| 12:48 | oakivil | but thats fucked up :) |
| 12:48 | kf | no it isn't |
| 12:48 | * kf | grumbles a little ,) |
| 12:49 | oakivil | but when you export the marcxml you need to parse them |
| 12:49 | jcamins | kf: the principle isn't. It's just the lack of a working linker. |
| 12:49 | kf | ok, perhaps we can agree on that :) |
| 12:49 | oakivil | then again |
| 12:49 | kf | and I would like to see it moved to $0 - to match the standard |
| 12:49 | oakivil | if authority is 1000 characters long |
| 12:49 | it will clutter the marc-string | |
| 12:49 | jcamins | kf: me too. |
| 12:50 | oakivil: no, the heading is still embedded. | |
| 12:50 | kf | but koha uses the number for linking instead of a text search |
| 12:50 | jcamins | Right. |
| 12:50 | oakivil | ok |
| 12:50 | and it should be used as text serach? | |
| 12:50 | according to marc21? | |
| 12:51 | how do you fix that when importing via z39.50? | |
| 12:51 | kf | afaik or was told the $0 subfield for storing the number was introduced late |
| 12:51 | oakivil: you get no authorities through z39.50 | |
| 12:51 | you have to relink them | |
| 12:51 | oakivil | nope |
| 12:51 | jcamins | oakivil: you don't. Hence my complaint. There's no working linker, so you're basically SOL for any record you don't manually catalog in Koha. |
| 12:51 | kf | or have them autocreated |
| 12:51 | oakivil | but you have biblios where some have authorities and some have links |
| 12:51 | kf | SOL? |
| 12:52 | in our case we swap fields | |
| 12:52 | from $0 to $9 befroe import | |
| 12:52 | jcamins | kf: Stuck Out of Luck. |
| 12:52 | kf | and all works well |
| 12:52 | but special use case | |
| 12:52 | jcamins: thx :) | |
| 12:52 | oakivil | jcamins: kindergarten version :D ? |
| 12:52 | jcamins | kf: you're a union catalog. Also, German catalog rules are logical. |
| 12:52 | oakivil: right. | |
| 12:53 | oakivil | but rhymes! ++ |
| 12:53 | hmm | |
| 12:54 | but if you export your mark data, its easy to add a sanitizer-module which replaces those authority links with their real values | |
| 12:54 | so the output is according to standard | |
| 12:56 | kf | now I got used to being a developer, you tell me I am a union catalog. ... ;) |
| 12:56 | oakivil: $9 is standard to - local field | |
| 12:56 | oakivil | maybe its a praise? |
| 12:57 | kf | he said german catalog rules were logical in the same sentence - not sure he is not being ironical |
| 12:58 | jcamins | kf: no, I was serious. |
| 12:58 | oakivil | i cant remeber those marc fields |
| 12:59 | $0 and $9 are equally strange to me :D | |
| 12:59 | lemme check the manual | |
| 13:01 | so $9 is a koha-specific field | |
| 13:01 | no.. a local field? used in the local system? | |
| 13:02 | so marc lets you use it however you wish? | |
| 13:03 | kf | oakivil: yes |
| 13:03 | everything with a 9 is for local use | |
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| 13:03 | kf | subfields, 9xx, x9x, xx9 |
| 13:03 | oakivil | ah |
| 13:03 | i see | |
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| 13:11 | jcamins | Except for 490. |
| 13:11 | oakivil | are there any rules in libraries with zero exceptions? |
| 13:13 | kf | oh right |
| 13:13 | oakivil: rhetoric question? | |
| 13:13 | jcamins | oakivil: yes, rangi has a rule that has no exceptions: |
| 13:13 | @quote get 123 | |
| 13:13 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 13:14 | oakivil | lol |
| 13:14 | damn i did lol, sorry | |
| 13:14 | librarians are crazy | |
| 13:14 | kf | but nice, right? |
| 13:14 | oakivil | who is telling them what is profitable work and what is not? |
| 13:15 | well yeah, its easy to be nice when you dont have to take any responsibility for results | |
| 13:16 | im not talking about all librarians | |
| 13:16 | but in general | |
| 13:18 | just an idea, but if our audience doesnt care about all the novelties of cataloguing, why should libraries? | |
| 13:19 | or is it just Finland :D | |
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| 13:21 | kf | not sure about all that - but there are libarians in here ... ;) |
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| 13:21 | oakivil | I know |
| 13:21 | but I dont find it meaningfull work if you sit by your computer and watch clips from youtube | |
| 13:22 | maybe you should try to improve your workflows for ex or something usefull. | |
| 13:22 | anyway | |
| 13:23 | oleonard | Yeah, anyway... |
| 13:23 | jcamins | What does this snippet of SQL do: SELECT DISTINCT(issues.borrowernumber), firstname, surname |
| 13:25 | oakivil | selects firstname and surname of people who have a unique borrowernumber in issues table? |
| 13:25 | is that a whole sql sentence? | |
| 13:25 | druthb | Borrowers who have something out will be listed. If they have more than one item, they'll only get one listing. (that's the DISTINCT) |
| 13:26 | oakivil | yeah :) |
| 13:26 | jcamins | druthb: but what's with the parentheses? |
| 13:26 | oakivil | maybe DISTINCT is a function |
| 13:27 | druthb | Shouldn't do anything, at that point. I'd do it more as SELECT DISTINCTROW issues.borrowernumber,firstname,surname from issues JOIN borrowers USING (borrowernumber), myself. |
| 13:27 | jcamins | Okay, thanks. |
| 13:27 | oakivil | but JOINs are such a pain |
| 13:28 | but who know how DISTINCT works | |
| 13:29 | druthb | DISTINCT tells sql to choose only one, if it appears multiple times...not black magic. |
| 13:29 | oakivil | yeah but does it use join under the hood anyway |
| 13:29 | as JOINs are quite expensive processes | |
| 13:29 | jcamins | That was just a snippet. |
| 13:30 | oakivil | yeah |
| 13:30 | druthb | DISTINCT doesn't, no. You're still gonna have to JOIN to get the other fields. |
| 13:30 | oakivil | ok |
| 13:30 | jcamins | I didn't see any reason to flood #koha with a forty-word query. :) |
| 13:30 | oakivil | its nice to chat once in a while :D |
| 13:31 | druthb | SELECT biblionumber from biblio where biblionumber NOT IN (SELECT DISTINCT biblionumber FROM items); is functionally equivalent to SELECT biblionumber FROM biblio LEFT JOIN items USING (biblionumber) WHERE items.biblionumber IS NULL; I have not profiled to see which is faster. |
| 13:32 | oakivil | you won! I surrender |
| 13:32 | jcamins | druthb: I would submit that it doesn't matter, because the latter is readable. |
| 13:32 | druthb | jcamins: They're both readable, to me. :) |
| 13:34 | oakivil | then you can also comment :D |
| 13:34 | druthb | hee. Either will show you bibs with no items attached. :) |
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| 13:58 | jcamins | @later tell rangi Do you have an updated patch for bug 6292? I have a recollection that you said you had that working. |
| 13:58 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:59 | kf | bug 6292 |
| 13:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist |
| 13:59 | kf | jcamins++ |
| 14:00 | working on that deserves karma, not nice to test too | |
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| 14:00 | * jcamins | looked at the code, and now has a splitting headache. |
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| 14:04 | * jcamins | must be a fool... he's looking at Search.pm, and you know what Alexander Pope said about *that*. |
| 14:05 | kf | hm no? |
| 14:06 | jcamins | "For fools rush in where angels fear to tread." :) |
| 14:08 | oakivil | :) ruuush |
| 14:08 | kf | always learning something new on #koha |
| 14:08 | * druthb | fears to tread into Search.pm--but is *no* angel. |
| 14:10 | jcamins | druthb: but apparently you're not a fool, at least. ;) |
| 14:10 | druthb | Debateable. |
| 14:16 | * sekjal | must be a fool, too... |
| 14:16 | sekjal | though I finally found in C4/Search.pm the keys to how relevancy ranking works in Koha |
| 14:16 | oleonard | Thank goodness there are *some* fools around here |
| 14:16 | jcamins | sekjal: oh? |
| 14:17 | sekjal | we weight certain fields, and differently under difference circumstances, but that combined with the inverse frequency rule, should give us pretty good idea of how that's supposed to work |
| 14:17 | I've been meaning to write up a short article on it | |
| 14:18 | kf | so relevancy ranking works? |
| 14:18 | * kf | hides |
| 14:18 | sekjal | I think it only kicks in if you do certain kinds of queries |
| 14:19 | jcamins | Okay, surely there is a Perl library somewhere that does a good job of turning Google-like queries into tokenized... thingies. |
| 14:21 | druthb | cd |
| 14:21 | hrmph. too much window-flippin | |
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| 14:23 | jcamins | Hm, something like Preempt::query::parser |
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| 14:24 | jcamins | Only, I'd prefer something which parsed into a tree instead of weird arrays. |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt_ | @quote random |
| 14:25 | huginn | gmcharlt_: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 08:07 PM, October 30, 2009) |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt_ | sekjal: yes, specifically only for a generic keyword search |
| 14:25 | druthb | @quote random |
| 14:25 | huginn | druthb: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010) |
| 14:26 | alex_a | :) |
| 14:26 | jcamins | gmcharlt_: do you know anything about CPAN modules for turning Google-like queries into something useful to computers? |
| 14:29 | kf: when your users are doing a boolean search, what do they use for operators? | |
| 14:29 | kf | not sure they are using boolean search |
| 14:30 | the librarians might, but the patrons? | |
| 14:30 | I think and | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | Well, the librarians. |
| 14:30 | wahanui | the librarians are crazy |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | wahanui++ |
| 14:30 | jcamins | kf: thanks. Thinking about "UND" and "ET" as operators. |
| 14:31 | kf | UND and ET? |
| 14:31 | jcamins | German and French respectively, nein? :) |
| 14:31 | kf | how does et (want to call home?) work as an operator? |
| 14:31 | oh french | |
| 14:32 | why are you thinking about operators in other languages? | |
| 14:32 | * kf | is totally confused now |
| 14:32 | jcamins | kf: because I hate Search.pm and want to nuke it from high orbit, replacing it with someone else's code. |
| 14:33 | kf | k? |
| 14:34 | jcamins | kf: so the question is whether the replacement needs to be multi-lingual. |
| 14:35 | kf | I think everything translation related should be dealt with on template level |
| 14:36 | ah... tlakign about an expert search? | |
| 14:36 | I was thinking about the advanced search form | |
| 14:36 | jcamins | I'm thinking about search queries. |
| 14:36 | oakivil | since when has this chat been so much fun? |
| 14:36 | kf | I think we should not parse and/or/not as boolean in search queries |
| 14:37 | jcamins | If I were to type in "zeit und festschriften", should that look for the word "und" or should it just look for "zeit" und "festschriften"? |
| 14:37 | kf | it should look for und too |
| 14:37 | because you will get a lot more results for zeit und festschriften | |
| 14:37 | as boolean | |
| 14:37 | lots of serials titles have "und" | |
| 14:37 | lots of confusion for normal patrons | |
| 14:37 | and even for libarians | |
| 14:38 | jcamins | But right now, "and" and "or" are magic words. |
| 14:38 | kf | hm |
| 14:38 | probably not such a problem for us, because und and oder are not | |
| 14:38 | was not aware of that | |
| 14:39 | jcamins | oleonard: how are things? And what do you think? :) |
| 14:39 | sekjal | "and" = "&&" and "or" == "||" ? |
| 14:40 | oleonard | It works fine until Stephen King follows up "It" with "And" |
| 14:40 | jcamins | sekjal: but are we sure that users aren't relying on "and" and "or" being magical? |
| 14:40 | I agree in principle than stopwords are a bad idea in this day and age, but we don't want to break things. | |
| 14:41 | sekjal | I'm pretty confident of that... and anyone who's advanced enough at searching to expect such behaviour can learn to use symbols instead of words to accomplish it |
| 14:41 | jcamins | Hey, this is interesting: http://incubator.apache.org/lucy/ |
| 14:42 | druthb | De_java_fying_lucene++ |
| 14:42 | sekjal | java-- |
| 14:43 | kf | java-- |
| 14:44 | eythian | itym java-=1 |
| 14:45 | druthb | @karma java |
| 14:45 | huginn | druthb: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4. |
| 14:45 | druthb | oooo |
| 14:47 | kf | ok |
| 14:47 | jcamins | Okay, I would suggest that something like Search::QueryParser would be an excellent replacement for buildQuery. |
| 14:48 | kf | gonna leave - team goes to a biergarten :) |
| 14:48 | oakivil | sounds wiced! |
| 14:48 | thursday beer! | |
| 14:48 | jcamins | And BibLibre could use something like that with their SOLR bit. |
| 14:49 | sekjal | I think we should have the flexibility to support arbitrarily many incoming query syntaxes, and then be able to convert each of them into arbitrarily many queries against whatever indexer |
| 14:50 | build the adaptability into the module structure | |
| 14:50 | so folks can try new things without breaking the old | |
| 14:51 | and the "fittest" combinations for any given application will "survive" | |
| 14:51 | kf | sounds great but hard to write |
| 14:51 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 14:52 | sekjal | oh, absolutely. probably completely impractical |
| 14:53 | but I'm not going to worry about those kind of concerns today (a gift to myself) | |
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| 14:54 | oakivil | If we were to develop some module for Koha, who would make sure it stays functional throughout the version changes? |
| 14:54 | community? | |
| 14:54 | wahanui | rumour has it community is right behind us |
| 14:54 | oakivil | depending the module is of any good |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | normally it's nice if the original author maintains it for a time. |
| 14:55 | fixing bugs, etc. | |
| 14:55 | oakivil | just thinking about the authorities-module and integrating it to a national authorities-repository |
| 14:55 | ok | |
| 14:55 | but there was already a IDE for it? | |
| 14:55 | in dve | |
| 14:55 | in dev | |
| 14:56 | no it was for the aquisitions module | |
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| 15:16 | jcamins | rangi++ # for fixing bug 5199 |
| 15:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table |
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| 15:28 | jcamins | Is anyone else having problems with searching in Master? |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | define problems? |
| 15:29 | jcamins | I _think_ what's going on is that keyword searching isn't working at all. |
| 15:29 | However, if I use limits, they work fine. | |
| 15:29 | On the staff side. | |
| 15:29 | So it's not opacsuppress. | |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 15:30 | I am getting results here | |
| 15:30 | jcamins | It's QueryFuzzy. |
| 15:31 | Ooh, maybe I have ICU enabled. | |
| 15:31 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:31 | wizzyrea | later :) |
| 15:32 | from the advanced search, masthead search, or cataloging search? | |
| 15:32 | * wizzyrea | kind of hates that they're all different. |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | "kind of" might be a too-kind representation of how I really feel. |
| 15:33 | jcamins | wizzyrea: masthead search and advanced search. |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | i'm not having trouble with that |
| 15:33 | in maste | |
| 15:33 | r | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Do you have QueryFuzzy on? |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | checking... |
| 15:33 | yes | |
| 15:33 | stemming is off, however | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | what search are you doing? |
| 15:34 | as your keyword | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | I tried "smith" "book" and "springerlink". |
| 15:35 | Yeah, I have ICU on. | |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Okay, here's an opportunity for me to fix the quoting in ICU. |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 15:39 | jcamins | I'd forgotten how bad the documentation for ICU and Zebra was. |
| 15:41 | * larryb | is away: |
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| 15:46 | jcamins | icu-- |
| 15:49 | oleonard | Bug 6555... This again? I thought I fixed that. |
| 15:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6555 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , only 10 lists in pull down when adding from a bib record |
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| 15:51 | * larryb | is back (gone 00:09:11) |
| 15:51 | oleonard | Bug 3523 |
| 15:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Menu of existing lists limited to 10 |
| 15:52 | * oleonard | grumbles |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | TT? |
| 15:52 | wahanui | hmmm... TT is here |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | forget TT |
| 15:52 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot tt |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | TT is <reply> |
| 15:52 | forget TT | |
| 15:52 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot tt |
| 15:52 | oleonard | Seems the most likely explanation. |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | TT is Template::Toolkit |
| 15:53 | H::T::P is HTML::Template::Pro | |
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| 16:05 | oakivil | how can i find you @ facebook? |
| 16:11 | slef | yo oakivil did you see my comment to you a few days ago? |
| 16:11 | oakivil | hmm |
| 16:11 | i saw some but cant remeber | |
| 16:11 | what you mean | |
| 16:12 | slef | about EDI? |
| 16:12 | oakivil | ah yeah |
| 16:12 | slef | ok cool |
| 16:12 | oakivil | thanks i remeber |
| 16:12 | maybe ill find the article again | |
| 16:13 | EDI is exactly the thuing we have in use in our previous system | |
| 16:14 | it'd be way cool to have it in Koha | |
| 16:15 | sorry have to go | |
| 16:15 | nice chatting with you nice librarians! | |
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| 16:38 | library_systems_guy | does anybody know the best way to truncate the biblios table and not mess up zebra? |
| 16:39 | jcamins | library_systems_guy: truncate first, rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r next. |
| 16:40 | library_systems_guy | thanks jcamins |
| 16:40 | jcamins | library_systems_guy: deletes do not cascade to the issues table, so you'll need to delete all issues manually. |
| 16:43 | library_systems_guy | gotcha |
| 16:43 | man that truncate too .5 mins | |
| 16:43 | 2.5* | |
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| 16:58 | * jcamins | wishes he could redo searching in Koha. |
| 16:58 | hdl | jcamins: rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r does nothing when no data is exported |
| 16:59 | jcamins | hdl: oh. That's not such good advice, then. |
| 16:59 | library_systems_guy: sorry. | |
| 16:59 | hdl | (it should just do the init, but it does not.) |
| 16:59 | jcamins | Create a record, then do the rebuild. |
| 16:59 | hdl | zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios init |
| 16:59 | jcamins | Then delete the record, and run rebuild_zebra with -z |
| 16:59 | Or do that. | |
| 16:59 | hdl | is doing that |
| 16:59 | jcamins | :) |
| 17:00 | hdl | then |
| 17:00 | zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios commit | |
| 17:00 | to make sure the database is created and contains NOTHING | |
| 17:00 | It may be part of the rebuild_zebra rewriting that tcohen did... | |
| 17:00 | But maybe not. | |
| 17:01 | had no time to look | |
| 17:01 | has anyone had any problems with entities in zebra ? | |
| 17:01 | jcamins | hdl: do you have an example of the ICU configuration you use with your clients? |
| 17:02 | *use successfully | |
| 17:02 | hdl | sure see Univ_Lyon3 branch on our repository |
| 17:02 | I sent some messages about that. | |
| 17:02 | on list | |
| 17:03 | jcamins | hdl: yes, but right now I have the real live hdl to give me the latest information. ;) |
| 17:03 | hdl | I am having odd behaviour with & |
| 17:03 | jcamins | hdl: as for the entities, yeah, I've seen that. |
| 17:04 | Zebra doesn't correctly convert entities when using MARCXML. | |
| 17:04 | hdl | have you made a fix to get correct & with usmarc? |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 17:04 | It's in Search.pm. | |
| 17:04 | hdl | is it pushed somewhere ? |
| 17:05 | jcamins | Yeah, it's in Koha. |
| 17:05 | I'm finding it for you now. :) | |
| 17:05 | Bug 3326. | |
| 17:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml |
| 17:07 | jcamins | Ooh, that's frustrating. |
| 17:07 | hdl | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]63e6cc95f543ab436 |
| 17:07 | jcamins | Speaking of entities screwing up Zebra, it looks like the problem with my ICU configuration is that I had an entity. |
| 17:08 | library_systems_guy | bleh zebra |
| 17:08 | just came back to see all of that | |
| 17:10 | jcamins | hdl: did you see my patches? |
| 17:11 | hdl | well saw that. But imho it is a ZOOM bug. |
| 17:11 | or a zebra bug... | |
| 17:11 | *sigh... | |
| 17:12 | * jcamins | agrees, but that's a workaround. |
| 17:12 | hdl | jcamins: we have some command line tools here which relies on SimpleSearch |
| 17:12 | And ... | |
| 17:12 | jcamins | hdl: oh. Yuck. |
| 17:12 | hdl | well never mind. |
| 17:13 | * hdl | can't think of a single reason to keep the zebra alive. |
| 17:14 | jcamins | It's small. |
| 17:14 | hdl | not that small |
| 17:14 | when you look at the amount of data | |
| 17:14 | and when you consider its CPU usage | |
| 17:16 | jcamins | There's a point, though, where the overhead of a system like solr overweighs the improved marginal resource requirements. |
| 17:17 | In tiny catalogs, for example. | |
| 17:18 | hdl | mmm considering you can host a solr cluster for those libraries, and manage that for them, it is a small advantage. |
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| 17:21 | adnc | hello |
| 17:21 | wahanui | hi, adnc |
| 17:21 | adnc | rangi, ping! |
| 17:21 | sekjal | hdl: that'd work for libraries who're getting support from a company that has a Solr cluster... what about small, independent libraries that need to search 100,000 biblios? |
| 17:22 | hdl | sekjal: come on... |
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| 17:22 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 17:22 | hdl | thunderbird solr you can install on your own |
| 17:22 | adnc | does someone have any news in terms of koha 4 and debian packages? |
| 17:22 | sekjal | adnc: there is no Koha 4 yet |
| 17:23 | adnc | 3.4 |
| 17:23 | i mean 3.4 | |
| 17:23 | sekjal | ah |
| 17:23 | I believe that 3.4 works with packaging... | |
| 17:23 | hdl | solr is not debian packaged any longer at the moment. But |
| 17:23 | we could build one package... | |
| 17:24 | adnc | but? |
| 17:24 | wahanui | but is he still alive because he's a human and the book allowed him to survive the zombies, or because he's a zombie and the book spread useful (to him) misinformation among the humans? |
| 17:24 | Brooke | one package ++ |
| 17:24 | ha! | |
| 17:25 | bots say the funniest things :D | |
| 17:25 | whanaui forget but | |
| 17:25 | oops | |
| 17:25 | wahanui forget but | |
| 17:25 | wahanui | Brooke: I forgot but |
| 17:25 | wizzyrea | forget but |
| 17:25 | but is <reply> | |
| 17:25 | adnc | wahanui: ping |
| 17:25 | wahanui | adnc: excuse me? |
| 17:27 | Brooke | wahanui? |
| 17:27 | wahanui | Brooke? |
| 17:27 | Brooke | wahanui is a naughty bot. |
| 17:27 | wahanui? | |
| 17:27 | wahanui | Brooke? |
| 17:27 | Brooke | apparently he's above self depricating humour |
| 17:27 | at that rate he might disobey Asimov's rules... | |
| 17:27 | jcamins | Brooke: he has <reply> |
| 17:30 | Okay, who came up with the Zebra XML schemata? | |
| 17:30 | druthb | wahanui: Brooke? |
| 17:30 | wahanui | Brooke tripped on the cord, broke the internet |
| 17:30 | druthb | lolz |
| 17:30 | wahanui: druthb? | |
| 17:30 | wahanui | you are Brooke's sugar mama! |
| 17:31 | * druthb | falls out of her chair. |
| 17:31 | Brooke | heh |
| 17:32 | I insist that was the dude's standard bit. | |
| 17:32 | he said it to like *everyone* in line. | |
| 17:32 | jcamins | Brooke: huh? |
| 17:32 | hdl | jcamins: ? |
| 17:33 | Brooke | the druthb comment. |
| 17:33 | hdl | who came up with the Zebra XML schemata??? |
| 17:33 | jcamins | hdl: yes. The DOM indexing configuration schema and the ICU schema are both ridiculous. |
| 17:34 | hdl | DOM indexing for authorities ? |
| 17:34 | jcamins | hdl: the format in general. We're looking at getting it working for biblios, too. |
| 17:34 | hdl | which icu schema ? the one i sent you ? |
| 17:34 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 17:34 | Not the contents of the file, but the format. | |
| 17:35 | The contents are sensible. However, it's basically a text file with lots of angle braces. | |
| 17:35 | * jcamins | suspects that "schema" means something else in French. |
| 17:35 | hopes it doesn't have an insulting meaning. | |
| 17:36 | hdl | well the format of the icu chain and DOM is something a company from the north could answer on. |
| 17:37 | jcamins | hdl: yes, I know. That was really more of a rhetorical question, to express my frustration at the format's silliness. |
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| 17:45 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 17:46 | jcamins | Does my latest addition to the jQuery library make sense? |
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| 17:46 | jcamins | To the extent that the change makes any sense, I mean. |
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| 17:57 | Brooke | wb nengard |
| 17:58 | nengard | :) |
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| 18:17 | Brooke | welcome back owen |
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| 19:02 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6556] The popup menu in the Z39.50 search results doesn't point to the correct record. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6556> |
| 19:25 | rhcl | I propose we put wahanui and zebra on a closed network circuit, setup an recursive endless ping flood between them, and let them annihilate each other. |
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| 19:50 | rangi | if ppl are gonna bitch about wahanui ill happily turn it off |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea | i like him |
| 19:51 | * jcamins | likes wahanui |
| 19:51 | jcamins | wahanui: jcamins? |
| 19:51 | wahanui | you are probably supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications |
| 19:51 | jcamins | :D |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | lol @ the third one |
| 19:52 | i like him for things like this | |
| 19:52 | TT? | |
| 19:52 | wahanui | i think TT is Template::Toolkit |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | LOL? |
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| 20:07 | rangi | my stop bbiab |
| 20:17 | back | |
| 20:22 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 20:22 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on July 06, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:22 | nengard | @wunder 19030 |
| 20:22 | huginn | nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 32.1�C (3:40 PM EDT on July 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:22 | rangi | http://es.koha-community.org/ |
| 20:23 | * wizzyrea | cheers |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | using_consistent_themes++ |
| 20:24 | srsly yay. | |
| 20:24 | * wizzyrea | doesn't know who to give karma too. |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | to* |
| 20:24 | rangi | tcohen++ |
| 20:24 | not sure who else | |
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| 20:32 | cait | hi #koha |
| 20:33 | rangi | hiya cait |
| 20:37 | nengard | is 942c required by Koha to be filled in? |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | tcohen++ |
| 20:37 | spanish_speaking_kohackers++ | |
| 20:38 | rangi | yes nengard |
| 20:38 | nengard | thought so :) |
| 20:38 | cait | hi rangi, nengard and wizzyrea :) |
| 20:38 | nengard | hiya |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | cait! Hi :D |
| 20:38 | cait | :) |
| 20:39 | is the spanish website available now? | |
| 20:39 | rangi | yup |
| 20:39 | bg | rangi - I'm not totally sure that 942c is required - at least it doesn't seem to totally break things without it |
| 20:39 | I mean I know it used to be | |
| 20:39 | cait | oh cool |
| 20:40 | rangi | yeah ti doesnt totally break things, just sometimes does in unexpected places |
| 20:40 | cait | how did they do it? the translation? |
| 20:40 | rangi | i dunno |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | i'm not sure that it's not just a full translation |
| 20:40 | cait | druthb told when you have a 942$c (itemtype - right?) it will autofill this in for new items you create |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea ? | |
| 20:41 | rangi | yup, you can of course change it, but yes it does choose that by default |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | I think they may have just translated the posts |
| 20:41 | manually | |
| 20:42 | cait | hm static pages, no wordpress? |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | I think it's wp, certainly looks like wp |
| 20:42 | but they can translate the posts into their wp manually | |
| 20:42 | i.e. a lot of work | |
| 20:43 | which I commend them for | |
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| 20:47 | cait | it looks great |
| 20:54 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6305: receiving serials does not create items <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3fdcb90aed75f2507> / Bug 6305: Copy enumchron into created serial item <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]027bdb3f6fcbc9b25> / Bug 6305: Subscriptions can not be edited <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a=commitdiff;h=3b |
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| 20:58 | Brooke | kia ora! |
| 21:00 | rangi | heya Brooke |
| 21:01 | Brooke | :D |
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| 21:03 | cait | hi Brooke :) |
| 21:05 | morning Space_Librarian | |
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| 21:06 | * cait | sends some schokokekse |
| 21:06 | Space_Librarian | morning cait |
| 21:06 | Brooke | cait you had me at hello, but the schokokekse helps ;) |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | mornin Space_Librarian |
| 21:06 | Space_Librarian | morning wizzyrea |
| 21:07 | cait | :) |
| 21:08 | Space_Librarian | cait: nom! |
| 21:08 | * Space_Librarian | passes around some ANZAC cookies |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | ooooo |
| 21:08 | I've been meaning to make those from jo's recipe | |
| 21:09 | who added the lovely green and red in the fines interface? that was a great idea | |
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| 21:12 | druthb | o/ |
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| 21:13 | Space_Librarian | \o |
| 21:13 | cait | hi druthb :) |
| 21:13 | * cait | hands you a schokokeks |
| 21:14 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_away | |
| 21:14 | * druthb | nibbles on it. |
| 21:14 | Brooke | mmmm ANZAC biccies. |
| 21:15 | ibeardslee | ahh good ol' translate.google.com |
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| 21:20 | rangi | wizzyrea: i cant remember who did that it is cool though |
| 21:20 | * druthb | waves to rangi |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | it's one of the little things my librarians have squeed over after our completely painless upgrade over the weekend |
| 21:20 | cait | :) |
| 21:21 | Brooke | painless upgrades++ |
| 21:21 | rangi | heya druthb |
| 21:22 | druthb | hi, wizzyrea! |
| 21:22 | larryb++ #painless NEKLS upgrade | |
| 21:22 | rangi | yep |
| 21:22 | larryb++ #hes good people | |
| 21:23 | larryb | Ah, shucks. I'm blushing. |
| 21:23 | cait | larryb++ :) |
| 21:23 | druthb | It's a karma-storm! |
| 21:24 | @karma larryb | |
| 21:24 | huginn | druthb: Karma for "larryb" has been increased 10 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 10. |
| 21:24 | Brooke | ten's not enough! |
| 21:24 | larryb++ | |
| 21:24 | rangi | heh |
| 21:26 | cait | :) |
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| 21:27 | wizzyrea | oh yea larryb++ |
| 21:27 | it's beeping him probably and annoying I bet. | |
| 21:27 | rangi | you made him leave!!! |
| 21:27 | cait | oh |
| 21:29 | time to leave for me too - sleep | |
| 21:29 | bye all :) | |
| 21:30 | Brooke | night babe |
| 21:30 | rangi | cya cait |
| 21:30 | Brooke | jeez, first I trip over the power cord to the Interwebs, now I make larryb leave. I can't do anything properly. |
| 21:30 | Space_Librarian | bye cait |
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| 21:34 | * Brooke | is mixing up beer based pizza dough. How hard can it be? |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 21:34 | easy :) | |
| 21:36 | Brooke | I should practice my tossing if the little mister isn't about |
| 21:36 | I practiced on the sly at Rosa's but it wasn't the same. | |
| 21:37 | jcamins_away | Brooke: using the beer for leavening? |
| 21:37 | Brooke | a yep |
| 21:38 | little flavour, too | |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | http://www.hungryhungryhippie.com/just-add-sabra/ |
| 21:38 | Brooke | but mostly since I can't find the bloody pizza yeast I used to use back in the day anywhere anymore |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | oh bother |
| 21:38 | but uh, enjoy that. | |
| 21:38 | rangi | heh |
| 21:39 | * jcamins_away | uses regular yeast, or a sourdough starter, and a *very* hot oven. |
| 21:39 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: Israeli couscous? |
| 21:39 | * jcamins_away | didn't follow the link, just guessing based on the title. |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | nah, it's a brand of hummus |
| 21:42 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: I know. |
| 21:43 | rangi | righto meetings |
| 21:43 | bbiab | |
| 21:43 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: but, "Just add Sabra"... shouldn't that be about Israeli couscous? |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | it does have couscous in it I think |
| 21:43 | I was going to make it with quinoa though | |
| 21:43 | jcamins_away | Mmm. |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | i have a giant tub of quinoa in my fridge, just waiting to be mixed with stuff |
| 21:45 | Brooke | I have a source for the sultanas. |
| 21:46 | http://lesttheybelost.blogspot[…]sultana-cake.html | |
| 21:46 | didn't dare even start that with stupid SunMaid junk. | |
| 21:46 | I got my pound from the Turkish Bakery in Watertown MA | |
| 21:46 | Sevan :) | |
| 21:47 | saw those gold babies | |
| 21:47 | and I was like, guess who's comin' home | |
| 21:49 | I anticipate mercilessly botching that receipt since it's a baked good, BUT at least I'll not be able to blame the raisins. | |
| 21:49 | rhcl | Hate to open the oven door and make the pizza go flat, but I wanna talk about stuff. |
| 21:49 | Brooke | stuff away! |
| 21:49 | rhcl | So when you import a batch of records into the db, they go into a pool or batch. And after you process them you can clean them, but they apparently don't ever get deleted and go away to /dev/null. |
| 21:50 | So wouldn't that be a good thing--to nuke 'em? Would it be hard to do? The sysadmin in me says just do #rm -f poolbatchfile.rec. | |
| 21:50 | Brooke | there should be quite a bit on the listservs about that |
| 21:52 | jcamins_away | Argh! I forgot the password for my printer. |
| 21:53 | rhcl | what does it mean for a staged record to be "cleaned" |
| 21:53 | Brooke | p4sswd? |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | admin? |
| 21:53 | jcamins_away | Oh, there we go. |
| 21:53 | Brooke | cat's name? |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | rhcl I think it takes it out of the search results |
| 21:53 | Brooke | we must know for future use :P |
| 21:54 | jcamins_away | The password dialog was blocking the part of the page that said "here's the password." |
| 21:54 | Brooke | ha! |
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| 22:46 | wizzyrea | heya, you about? |
| 22:49 | bg | yup |
| 22:49 | heh | |
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| 23:30 | druthb | o/ |
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| 23:32 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 23:32 | rangi | back |
| 23:32 | that was ... something | |
| 23:37 | druthb | hi, Brooke. wb, rangi. :) |
| 23:38 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 23:38 | rangi | thanks |
| 23:38 | Brooke | how am I cooking pizza without you glued to my window? |
| 23:42 | Space_Librarian | I have never been more appalled by the behaviour of a national library. ever. It was an embarassment to the profession. |
| 23:44 | * druthb | has clearly missed something |
| 23:45 | Space_Librarian | we've just come back from the kōtui debrief |
| 23:45 | Brooke | I'll swap your National Library for LOC |
| 23:46 | oh right, terroristic threats are illegal | |
| 23:46 | disregard that. | |
| 23:46 | mtj | Space_Librarian: whats the general story-so-far? |
| 23:46 | Space_Librarian | well, put it this way |
| 23:46 | Koha was too advanced for their RFP | |
| 23:46 | in a nutshell | |
| 23:47 | chilts | Space_Librarian: doesn't sound good :( |
| 23:47 | was that the one rangi was at too? | |
| 23:47 | rangi | yup |
| 23:47 | Space_Librarian | yep |
| 23:47 | rangi | but at least i can meet you for lunch now chilts :) |
| 23:47 | chilts | heh, cool! :) |
| 23:47 | Space_Librarian | :) |
| 23:47 | chilts | so how do you mean 'too advanced'? |
| 23:47 | I get the gist, but I guess they had specifics | |
| 23:48 | rangi | they wanted a discovery layer seperate to the ILS |
| 23:48 | Space_Librarian | their rfp couldn't handle an lms with an integrated discovery layer |
| 23:48 | rangi | what she said |
| 23:49 | Space_Librarian | they just couldn't comprehend it |
| 23:49 | chilts | hmm, weird |
| 23:49 | Brooke | teh ohnoes the product exceeds expectations |
| 23:50 | if one wanted to be nasty | |
| 23:50 | chilts | so that's _one_ technical aspect, they must have had more? |
| 23:50 | Space_Librarian | it didn't fit what the considered to be normal |
| 23:50 | Brooke | one might rally a MP to investigate this through your Accountability folks |
| 23:50 | Space_Librarian | not really |
| 23:50 | they won't tell us | |
| 23:50 | Brooke | in any case |
| 23:50 | Space_Librarian | we asked |
| 23:51 | Brooke | they've set themselves up for a long term loss |
| 23:51 | Space_Librarian | and they said they'll review the answers |
| 23:51 | Brooke | since I predict individual Libraries not signing |
| 23:57 | * druthb | ducks into a VPN to go raid data...back in a bit. |
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