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00:16 | Brooke | dinner! |
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00:34 | Oak | The most important trip you may take in life is meeting people halfway. ~Henry Boye |
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01:23 | library_guy | I would like feedback on this from anybody who has an opinion before I talk to the admins about it http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin[…]sort_by=relevance |
01:26 | to be more specific, the way the call numbers are handled* | |
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01:40 | druthb | o/ |
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03:28 | Brooke | kia ora |
04:26 | * Brooke | grumbles about the categories thingamabobber still not seeming to work right on the wiki |
04:29 | druthb | I noticedthat, too. |
04:35 | eythian | hello |
04:39 | Brooke | ho there |
04:41 | eythian | what did you call me? ;) |
04:42 | Agent_Dani | Hi ho! |
04:42 | ;) | |
04:42 | * eythian | is already at work, doesn't need to go there :) |
04:44 | Agent_Dani | I'm sorry. I'm up way past my bedtime but tomorrow isn't a work day for me. |
04:44 | eythian | It isn't really for me too, I'm doing conference prep. |
04:49 | * Agent_Dani | nods |
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05:51 | eythian | three of five conference talks planned out...this is quite time consuming. |
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07:10 | rangi | yo yo |
07:12 | bg | yo yo |
07:21 | eythian | rangi: hola |
07:24 | rangi | hey man, working sunday night? |
07:24 | eythian | yeah :/ |
07:25 | rangi | gowrie? |
07:25 | eythian | prepping for the Malaysia workshop |
07:25 | rangi | ahh right |
07:25 | eythian | no, got the gowrie stuff done in a couple of hours on Friday, it went very smoothly |
07:25 | rangi | sweet |
07:25 | eythian | (thanks to druthb's scripts) |
07:25 | rangi | druthb++ |
07:26 | * druthb | takes a bow, humbly. |
07:27 | druthb | eythian: I'm working on a doc for recovering-from-stale-data (if the server is still up, anyway), based on what I am learning tonight on CKLS. |
07:27 | eythian | oh, cool |
07:27 | druthb | It'll go in the repo, of course. :) |
07:28 | eythian | sweet as :) |
07:28 | druthb | Several new commits there tonight, fine-tuning a general-purpose table-loader I scribbled up. |
07:28 | eythian | hmm, I realise that this workshop has nothing about development. I might have to see if I can slip in a small section about that. |
07:28 | rangi | :) |
07:28 | eythian | sounds good. |
07:28 | rangi | open development ftw |
07:29 | * rangi | may have had 50 million beers tonight |
07:29 | eythian | haha |
07:29 | rangi | dude bourbon street, its insanse |
07:29 | -s | |
07:30 | eythian | heh, just the name is suggestive |
07:30 | I think I've written all I can do tonight. Time to go I think. | |
07:31 | rangi | sweet, have a good sleep, and a good monday |
07:31 | druthb | be well, eythian. :) |
07:31 | eythian | Will do, I think that there's nothing particularly urgent tomorrow, for a change. |
07:31 | rangi | im meeting ppl for breakfast in 5 hours, so i should sleep soon |
07:32 | eythian | who sleeps at conferences? |
07:32 | cy'all | |
07:33 | rangi | :) |
07:33 | bg | eythian: rangi doesn't |
07:34 | rangi | heh |
07:41 | bg | night all |
07:41 | rangi | yeah, i should sleep |
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09:07 | cait | hi #koha |
09:50 | wizzyrea: ping? | |
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10:18 | druthb | hi, cait. |
10:18 | cait | hi druthb :) |
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11:17 | * Oak | waves |
11:17 | Oak | heya cait :) |
11:17 | cait | hi Oak |
11:18 | Oak | what's new? |
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11:35 | druthb | hi |
11:35 | wahanui | niihau, druthb |
11:35 | Oak | Helllllo druthb :) up early ?! |
11:35 | druthb | not terribly early....was up very late, haven't slept long. |
11:35 | Oak | hmm |
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13:19 | |Lupin| | hello there ! |
13:20 | druthb | Hi |Lupin|! |
13:21 | |Lupin| | hey druthb :) |
13:22 | www.koha-community.org seems down... anybody knows why ? | |
13:22 | jcamins_away | I can confirm. |
13:23 | |Lupin|: however, I have no idea. | |
13:24 | |Lupin| | but git.koha-community.org works |
13:24 | jcamins_away | |Lupin|: yeah, they're on different servers. |
13:24 | I think wizzyrea hosts www. | |
13:25 | |Lupin| | jcamins_away: okay. I thought she was a librarian... :-) |
13:26 | jcamins_away | |Lupin|: wizzyrea is a superlibrarian! |
13:26 | |Lupin| | aaaaah ! |
13:26 | jcamins_away | If I say "wizzyrea" one more time, will she appear, like Beetlejuice? |
13:26 | |Lupin| | seems that librarians and computer scientists tend to learn rather a lot from each other in the koha community... |
13:27 | druthb | wizzyrea! wizzyrea! wizzyrea! |
13:27 | cait | tried that earlier today - no reaction :) |
13:27 | jcamins_away | |Lupin|: actually, wizzyrea started out as a sysadmin, I think. |
13:27 | cait | have to go... unfortunately |
13:27 | druthb | rats. |
13:27 | cait | oki, see you later :) |
13:27 | Oak | later cait |
13:27 | jcamins_away | Bye, cait. |
13:27 | Oak | and bring something to eat |
13:27 | |Lupin| | bye cait ! |
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13:28 | |Lupin| | jcamins_away: ah I wasn't aware of that, okay :) |
13:28 | okay, | |
13:28 | no hurry about www | |
13:29 | will go out and read a nice thriller until it works again | |
13:29 | anyway, good to see you all again, folks | |
13:29 | had some troubles to find the new chan ! | |
13:39 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: around? |
13:40 | jcamins_away | gmcharlt: hi! |
13:40 | gmcharlt | hi jcamins_away |
13:40 | it was nice seeing in you person last night | |
13:40 | jcamins_away | Yes, it was very nice meeting you at last. |
13:41 | |Lupin| | hello Galen ! |
13:41 | * druthb | waves to gmcharlt |
13:41 | gmcharlt | hi druthb, |Lupin| |
13:41 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: wizzyrea has an idle o more than one day... |
13:44 | * |Lupin| | was all excited about installing a Koha and suddenly thought about zebra, excitment went down quickly |
13:45 | jcamins_away | |Lupin|: Zebra's not quite so bad to install anymore. |
13:46 | |Lupin| | jcamins_away: really ? sounds good. A few months ago it was really not so easy, at least for me. |
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14:00 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
14:00 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010) |
14:00 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
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14:11 | library_guy | good morning #Koha |
14:12 | seen rangi | |
14:12 | wahanui | rangi was last seen on #koha 6 hours, 30 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: yeah, i should sleep [Sun Jun 26 07:41:48 2011] |
14:16 | sekjal | library_guy: rangi is at an ALA event this morning, I believe |
14:16 | library_guy | ahh |
14:17 | cursed ALA lol...everybody that I needed to talk to at OCLC last week was there | |
14:17 | sekjal | it's pretty crazy big (sitting at our booth, watching the librarians go by) |
14:18 | library_guy | oh so you are there too...man do I feel left out of the party |
14:18 | |Lupin| | someone knows why koha requires theinstallation of the apache2-mpm-worker package in particular,over one other flavour of apache, on Debian based systems, please ? |
14:18 | does it have something to do with mod_perl ? | |
14:18 | jcamins_away | |Lupin|: It requires itk. |
14:18 | Not worker. | |
14:19 | It's for security. It runs in different user. | |
14:19 | library_guy | can I ask your opinion on a change I'm working on |
14:19 | jcamins_away | library_guy: you can. |
14:19 | library_guy | http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin[…]sort_by=relevance |
14:19 | jcamins_away | The connection here is lousy, so be aware it may take a while to respond. |
14:19 | library_guy | its the change for call numbers |
14:19 | I was talking to druthb about it last night | |
14:20 | but i always like more opinions | |
14:20 | its cool jcamins_away | |
14:21 | |Lupin| | jcamins_away: hmm I'm planning to run koha and drupal (written in PHP) on the same host so which flavour of apache am I suposed to use ? |
14:21 | library_guy | |Lupin|: I am doing that |
14:21 | jcamins_away | |Lupin|: no idea. I don't know anything about drupal. |
14:21 | |Lupin| | library_guy: oh cool and wihc apache packages do you have ? |
14:21 | library_guy | you can use the one that Koha recommends |
14:22 | |Lupin| | library_guy: but becuse of the dependencies between debian packages, doing that would remove drupal... :-) |
14:22 | library_guy | acually |Lupin| i may have slightly lied |
14:22 | they are one two seperate servers | |
14:22 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: if it's just a single Koha DB, mpm-worker, mpm-itk, or mpm-prefork shoudl all work with Koha |
14:22 | library_guy | im sorry |
14:22 | i didn't read your message closely enough | |
14:23 | |Lupin| | library_guy: np |
14:23 | gmcharlt: ah cool, yeah will be just one koha db I think. | |
14:23 | library_guy | you are going to have fun with drupal |Lupin| |
14:23 | sekjal | library_guy: do you have an example of search results returning titles with multiple items attached? |
14:24 | library_guy | no I am getting my boss to add some today when she comes in so I can test that |
14:24 | but it should come out like: "Availability: 2 Copies available for loan at UT Tyler Library Electronic, Robert R. Muntz Library Stacks - 3rd Floor. | |
14:25 | jcamins_away | http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin[…]sort_by=relevance |
14:25 | ^^ Example. | |
14:25 | Both call numbers should show up. | |
14:25 | library_guy | oh you found one :D |
14:25 | thats odd that they don't :-\ | |
14:25 | |Lupin| | library_guy: fun ? are you cynical or just enjoying drupal ? |
14:25 | library_guy | both |
14:26 | big learning curve for me | |
14:26 | but I like it now | |
14:26 | jcamins_away | And they might be in different shelving locations, so I'm not sure that I like the shelving location on the first line. |
14:26 | library_guy | hmm... |
14:27 | so could I pull the shelving location to a new row? | |
14:27 | that is getting the results pretty long | |
14:27 | jcamins_away | library_guy: no, shelving location and call number on one row. |
14:27 | |Lupin| | library_guy: I learned it already. That will be my second drupal site and I think I got all the possible problems with the first one which is muchmore complex than that one because it has an online store in it... |
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14:27 | library_guy | |Lupin|: oh yeah then you should be fine :) |
14:28 | |Lupin| | library_guy: hoping the best...but one never knows... :/ |
14:29 | library_guy | so like this "Availability: 1 Copy available for loan at Robert R. Muntz |
14:29 | Location: Library Stacks - 3rd Floor [LC2802.T4 H4 1982.]" | |
14:30 | yeah exactly |Lupin| | |
14:30 | jcamins_away | library_guy: that's what I was thinking. But ask sekjal for his opinion. |
14:30 | library_guy | i actually kind of like that jcamins_away |
14:30 | sekjal what do you think | |
14:30 | sekjal | library_guy: some feedback on your dev: |
14:30 | library_guy | uh oh |
14:30 | sekjal | first off, great! |
14:31 | * jcamins_away | just asked sekjal for comments- he's sitting next to me. |
14:31 | library_guy | aww you are both at ALA...now i really feel left out |
14:31 | gmcharlt | library_guy: we'll eat beignets in your honor ;) |
14:31 | sekjal | second, if there is no callnumber defined for the record, don't display the call number(s) line |
14:32 | library_guy | thanks gmcharlt :) |
14:32 | sekjal: I can get behind that | |
14:32 | sekjal | I think that'll make the results a little bit cleaner for less thorough data sets |
14:33 | library_guy | yeah this is definitely something i threw together late friday so it needs some refinement for sure |
14:33 | sekjal | I'm also seeing, in the case where you have multiple items in multiple locations with different callnumbers, the locations are grouping on the Availability line (Good!), but only the first item's callnumber is parsed into the call number line |
14:33 | for 90% of data sets, I reckon that'd be fine | |
14:33 | library_guy | right but we have to be looking out for those odd balls |
14:34 | sekjal | in the example last linked, result number 69 |
14:34 | library_guy | oh i see what you mean |
14:34 | sekjal | in that case, the callnumbers should actually be the same |
14:35 | and the volume info should be in enumchron | |
14:35 | but often times, call numbers are never that strictly done | |
14:35 | collection codes can leak into the front, volumes/copies leak into the end | |
14:35 | library_guy | forgive me for being a newb sekjal but what is enumchron |
14:36 | sekjal | library_guy: it's a field in the items table, to store volume/issue information |
14:36 | library_guy | ahh gotcha |
14:36 | sekjal | it's wired into Serials, but can be used without that module |
14:37 | library_guy | i understand...i think |
14:37 | sometimes i feel like i need my MLS degree to code for Koha :'( | |
14:37 | sekjal | library_guy: you're doing great, and you'll keep learning as you go |
14:37 | library_guy | for sure |
14:38 | sekjal, jcamins_away what do you think about the styling changes? | |
14:39 | sekjal | library_guy: I think the CSS looks great |
14:39 | library_guy | awesome :) |
14:39 | sekjal | the Lists button could use a little work to get it "in theme", but that's always a little tricky (some stuff is hardcoded) |
14:40 | library_guy | a lot more than i had anticipated actually |
14:40 | sekjal | if you check out the CSS on catalog.marlboro.edu, they redid that area with CSS3, I believe, which gives us nice, clean, native rounded corners |
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14:42 | library_guy | oh yeah i see that |
14:42 | |Lupin| | btw who is maintainer of the master branch now ? is it chris from NZ ? |
14:43 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: yes |
14:43 | library_guy | hey guys I've gotta Jet (breakfast with the inlaws) |
14:43 | but ill be back on later | |
14:43 | thanks sekjal and jcamins_away | |
14:43 | sekjal | gladly, library_guy! |
14:44 | library_guy | ya'll have fun at ALA |
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14:44 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: and you are now maintainer of something else ? |
14:45 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: I'm currently just a plain ole developer on Koha and Evergreen |
14:49 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: okay. |
14:50 | gmcharlt: is evergreen another ILMS or is it a digital library ? can't remember, sorry | |
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14:54 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: it's another open source ILS - http://evergreen-ils.org |
14:54 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: ok, thanks |
14:54 | I'm just installing Koha on a Debian squeeze. | |
14:55 | While installing I started to prepare files explaining how to install based on those in the repo for lenny | |
14:56 | there are many modules that were installed through cpan for lenny but are packaged in squeeze | |
14:56 | I hope nobody else started todo it before ? | |
15:35 | hve to go now, till soon | |
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17:47 | library_guy | sekjal and jcamins_away around? |
17:47 | sekjal | library_guy: I'm here |
17:47 | library_guy | http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin[…]sort_by=relevance |
17:47 | can you look at result 69? | |
17:47 | and give me your thoughts? | |
17:48 | personally, I don't like it but i have no idea how I would fix it | |
17:48 | sekjal | I think it looks good. I like that you've got the shelving location and the call number clustered together |
17:49 | library_guy | yeah I liked that |
17:49 | but the 2 locations don't bother you at all? | |
17:49 | as far a differentiating them? | |
17:50 | sekjal | some kind of delimiter between the entries would help... either comma, or " | ", would be consistent |
17:51 | library_guy | I thought about using a pipe too lol |
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17:52 | sekjal | in that particular case, the v.1's and such at the end of the callnumber may be creating some issues....but those would be discovered in testing/QA |
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17:53 | cait | hi #koha |
17:54 | sekjal | hi, cait! |
17:54 | cait | hi sekjal :) |
17:54 | how is ala? | |
17:54 | library_guy | i cait |
17:54 | sekjal | busy |
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17:55 | cait | positively busy? :) |
17:56 | library_guy | cait: what was that ticket number for unavailable items but still needed call numbers? |
17:56 | cait | oh good question |
17:56 | let me dig it up | |
17:57 | library_guy | I'll start it as soon as i get this thing that I am working on committed |
17:57 | it didn't look too hard but I had one question about it | |
17:57 | cait | I think bug 5409 |
17:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5409 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Call number is not show on Opac search result page. |
17:57 | cait | hm |
17:57 | let me check, there might be more than one | |
17:57 | library_guy | i think there is |
17:58 | because that is definitely not the ticket you sent the other day | |
17:58 | cait | ok, mine is bug 5409 |
17:59 | library_guy | oh ok |
17:59 | ill get on it as soon as I run my changes by rangi and chris | |
17:59 | cait | bug 50 |
17:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]how_bug.cgi?id=50 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED INVALID, Z39.50 daemon does not recover well from failed connections to servers |
17:59 | cait | gr |
17:59 | bug 5079 might be interesting too | |
17:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs |
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18:00 | library_guy | bleh...looks like ticket confusion haha |
18:00 | cait | the 50 was only a typo :) |
18:00 | library_guy | oh yeah i saw that |
18:00 | cait | the other too might be affected by your work |
18:00 | library_guy | but it looks like those other two tickets need done at the same time |
18:00 | rangi | library_guy: email me your patch, ill take a look offlist if you like, otherwise when i get home :) |
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18:01 | library_guy | ok, I'm not sure if it should be a pref or an enhancement |
18:01 | if it needs to be a pref there is some more coe on my end that needs to be done | |
18:02 | if it is an enhancement I think im basically done | |
18:02 | link: http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin[…]sort_by=relevance | |
18:02 | rangi | what am i looking at? |
18:03 | library_guy | looking at the way the location and availability has changed in the results |
18:03 | sorry* | |
18:03 | meant to type that faster lol | |
18:03 | rangi | ah no worries |
18:04 | i like that a lot | |
18:04 | library_guy | sweet :D |
18:04 | rangi | brb |
18:05 | library_guy | there is one bug that I see right now that I want to get fixed before i make a patch...volume numbers are messing up when i do the call numbers so I'll need to look into that |
18:05 | actually i've gotta run to Ikea | |
18:05 | but I'll leave this up if you would share your thoughts on it :) | |
18:05 | bbl #Koha | |
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18:08 | * druthb | puts another notch on her desk leg. Another migration success. yay! |
18:08 | cait | druthb++ |
18:09 | * cait | waves to rangi |
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18:21 | druthb | sekjal++ #handy fix for Bug 6151. |
18:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in |
18:26 | sekjal | back in a bit, need food |
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19:18 | sekjal | blarg blarg blarg blarg |
19:19 | I'm the cookie monster | |
19:19 | wizzyrea | heh |
19:19 | Agent_Dani | heh |
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19:21 | sekjal | actually this is brendan - I just stole sekjal's computer for a sec |
19:21 | :) | |
19:21 | later all | |
19:21 | Agent_Dani | Bye! |
19:22 | * Agent_Dani | gets the GPS mount installation on her wife's bike finished - all set for riding around the Smokies next week. |
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20:24 | library_guy | back :) |
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20:33 | library_guy | sekjal, jcamins_away, rangi, do you think it should be a syspref to show the item location in the opac-search page |
20:33 | sekjal | syspref say all three of us |
20:34 | library_guy | good bc i already wrote it in :D |
20:34 | sekjal | rangi says "sweet" |
20:35 | library_guy | lol he is stealing my words :p |
20:35 | but i should still put the call number on the next "Location" line | |
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20:52 | library_guy | patch submitted...I hope i did that update script correctly :-/ |
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20:58 | library_guy | dang it i submitted that patch without a ticket... |
20:59 | sekjal | library_guy: don't worry, we can do the paperwork retroactively |
20:59 | or, rather, YOU can do the paperwork retroactively :) | |
21:01 | library_guy | lol |
21:01 | but how sekjal | |
21:01 | sekjal | file the report |
21:01 | and then either do a git commit --amend and resend | |
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21:01 | library_guy | gotcha |
21:01 | sekjal | or send a reply to the patches list with the bug number |
21:02 | library_guy | that is what is more viable |
21:02 | email is hosed on my dev server :'( | |
21:02 | sekjal | also, since you'll be attaching the patch to the bug report, that's what we can pull to signoff |
21:03 | library_guy | sweet |
21:04 | ugh unreliable internet | |
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21:15 | sekjal | brb |
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23:07 | mtj | morning all |
23:08 | eythian | Is it normal for the holds queue to take a while to update? |
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23:09 | mtj | eythian: there's a cornjob that builds that queue, afaik |
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23:09 | eythian | that's what I thought might be the case, but I can't see it. |
23:09 | * eythian | looks at the code |
23:11 | mtj | ./cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl |
23:11 | ./misc/cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl | |
23:11 | * druthb | wavesto mtj and eythian. |
23:11 | eythian | oh, duh. I'd forgotten that there was an hourly cronjob process. |
23:12 | hiya druthb | |
23:12 | mtj | heya folks |
23:12 | hows the ALA stuff going over there? | |
23:13 | druthb | eythian: i had a couple of new commits to the repo overnight--lessons learned stuff, and a tool that sekjal made that'll fix a couple of real obvious things on reports. |
23:13 | eythian | awesome |
23:13 | druthb | I don't know--I'm not there (The only member of my team who isn't)...but all I've heard has been good. |
23:13 | eythian | I'll have to have a look when I next need to migrate from strange systems :) |
23:14 | (or at least, strange systems I don't already have tools for :) | |
23:14 | sekjal | got to meet with some of the Indexdata guys at the Koha Hackfest, so that was productive |
23:15 | mtj | heya ian, long time no chat |
23:20 | ... i've got a date with a 3M self-check machine today | |
23:21 | the good news is lit looks pretty close to ready, with a just a couple of circ niggles to sort out | |
23:27 | sekjal | cool |
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23:32 | eythian | so, the holds queue report thing is a bit weird. It seems to be almost exactly the same as the 'holds to pull', except without the date filtering, and set by library. |
23:32 | and also the help for it is a bit wrong, because it doesn't point that out. | |
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