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| 00:00 | slef | qwertytis is http://www.dilbert.com/fast/1997-01-11/ |
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| 00:49 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 2246 - (Partial) Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]45cb4d1363a84a647> |
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| 00:57 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 30 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:01 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5653: Follow-up, correction to nb-NO sample creator data <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]66ab211bd88335e8a> / bug 5653: use itemcallnumber in bib label layouts <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9888533f5883fba46> |
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| 01:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 6 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 01:15 | BobB | mtj: about? |
| 01:16 | mtj | heya BobB |
| 01:16 | BobB | Hi Mason |
| 01:16 | mtj | im about, but busy with a 3m-unit at kapiti today |
| 01:17 | i can catch-up when i get home - if you are about then? | |
| 01:17 | BobB | OK. I want to have a chat about our cava stuff. But it doesn't have to be now. |
| 01:17 | mtj | or any otehr time this week |
| 01:18 | BobB | I've got time this evening if it suits you. What time (NZ) will you be around? |
| 01:21 | I'll buzz you after dinner, maybe. Cheers. | |
| 01:24 | mtj | im heading over to a friends for tea, later tonight |
| 01:24 | so tomrow morn will prolly work out better | |
| 01:29 | BobB | Hmm, maybe early then. Otherwise late. :) |
| 01:30 | Catch you tomorrow. | |
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| 01:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.2.x build #30: SUCCESS in 1 h 2 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/30/ |
| 01:59 | * cnighswonger: Bug 2246 - (Partial) Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters | |
| 01:59 | * gmcharlt: bug 5653: use itemcallnumber in bib label layouts | |
| 01:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters |
| 01:59 | jenkins_koha | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5653: Follow-up, correction to nb-NO sample creator data |
| 01:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5653 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , default new label layout and sample data have broken call number placeholder |
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| 02:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 297 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 02:15 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6061: clearing up system preference on update <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5df1058804a0d14ca> / Bug 6050 Followup, edit a last function call <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1c31647db3f570ea9> / Bug 6050 Make calls to GetItemsInfo consistent <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a=commitdiff;h=2a |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.4.x build #6: SUCCESS in 1 h 10 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]job/Koha_3.4.x/6/ |
| 02:22 | * ian.walls: Bug 5929: use branch admin email for advance_notice.pl emails | |
| 02:22 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 5714 - Unescaped ampersands in OPAC facets | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5929 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Use branch admin email for advance_notice.pl emails |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * ruth: Bug 6397: fix variable name in template that mis-aligns table |
| 02:22 | * nengard: bug 6442 change opacnav wording so it's more accurate | |
| 02:22 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6337 - Variable scope errors in staff client cart print view | |
| 02:22 | * cnighswonger: Bug 2246 - (Partial) Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters | |
| 02:22 | * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6444 Corrects encoding problems in subscription-add.pl | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5714 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Unescaped ampersands in OPAC facets |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6446, batch item deletion interface problems |
| 02:22 | * nengard: Bug 5268: Change all occurances of 'debar' to 'restrict' | |
| 02:22 | * jcamins: Bug 5868 follow-up: missing subfields in subject index | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6397 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , Mis-named variable in .TT causes table cell shift |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * fridolyn.somers: BUG6067 When Add Duplicate changing framework would loose data |
| 02:22 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6472: HidePatronName on detail page broken | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6442 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , opacnav pref explained wrong |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * koha: Updating INSTALL.opensuse file with the changes by Freek de Kruijf |
| 02:22 | * Chris Cormack: Updating upgrade information to note the fact language templates need | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6337 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Variable scope errors in staff client cart print view |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * f.demians: Bug 6464 Check inconsistent placeholders in translated strings |
| 02:22 | * tdavis: Bug 6491 Added: id in opac-privacy around the privacy policy div container Testing: An ID should appear in the container for the privacy rules saying userprivacy | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * colin.campbell: Remove a typo from serials-edit template |
| 02:22 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6487 - No error explanation if patron expiration date is missing | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6444 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Encoding problems with vendor names in subscription-add.pl |
| 02:22 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6446 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , batch item deletion interface problems | |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * januszop: Bug 6463 - Authorities browsing error when using auth. plugins |
| 02:22 | * januszop: Bug 6462 - Authority type is not displayed in OPAC | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5268 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Language Issue: Debarred |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * magnus: Bug 6459 : Needless call to C4::Context->dbh in C4::Templates::themelanguage() |
| 02:22 | * fridolyn.somers: BUG 6388 Broken pager images in branch_transfer_limits.tt | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5868 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Subject indexes do not search most 6xx fields |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * srdjan: bug_6433: exception handling |
| 02:22 | * gmcharlt: bug 6409: fix pagination of SQL report output when parameters are used | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6472 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , HidePatronName no longer works as stated |
| 02:22 | jenkins_koha | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6402, Lists sorted by year appear to be empty |
| 02:22 | * fridolyn.somers: BUG6389 Administration menu like Tools menu | |
| 02:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6464 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Add inconsistence check for '%s' count in tmpl_process3.pl |
| 02:22 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6491 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tdavis, NEW , Add Div in privacy page | |
| 02:23 | jenkins_koha | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6377 - fines should be red on patron search |
| 02:23 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6375, Markup and style corrections for overdue report | |
| 02:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6487 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , No error explanation if patron expiration date is missing |
| 02:23 | jenkins_koha | * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6363 : Make the "Item Location" selectbox appears correctly in inventory.pl |
| 02:23 | * januszop: Bug 6357 : Displaying the unavailability of items corrected | |
| 02:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6463 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Authorities browsing error when using auth. plugins |
| 02:23 | jenkins_koha | * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6355: Correct GetLateOrders so it ignores cancelled orders |
| 02:23 | * januszop: Bug 6353: Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference removed | |
| 02:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6462 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Authority type is not displayed in OPAC |
| 02:23 | jenkins_koha | * fridolyn.somers: BUG4319 waiting items cannot be reserved |
| 02:23 | * gmcharlt: bug 5653: use itemcallnumber in bib label layouts | |
| 02:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6459 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Needless call to C4::Context->dbh in C4::Templates::themelanguage() |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6388 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, fridolyn.somers, ASSIGNED , Broken pager images in branch_transfer_limits.tt | |
| 02:23 | jenkins_koha | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5653: Follow-up, correction to nb-NO sample creator data |
| 02:23 | * frederick.capovilla: Bug 5684 : Remove all items fields from a Z39.50 record imported for acquisition. | |
| 02:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6409 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , pagination bar for guided report output does not work if report has parameters |
| 02:23 | jenkins_koha | * chris.nighswonger: 5860 Fixing stocknumber index |
| 02:23 | * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.04.01.001 | |
| 02:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6402 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Lists sorted by year appear to be empty |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6377 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , fines should be red on patron search | |
| 02:23 | jenkins_koha | * ian.walls: Bug 6497: MARC URLs not showing up in OPAC detail page with XSLT off |
| 02:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6375 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Markup and style corrections for overdue report |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6363 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , The "Item Location" selectbox in inventory.pl doesn't appear when the default MARC framework is the only one avaiable. | |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6357 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Items (un)availability not displayed correctly (OPAC) | |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6355 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Late orders report shows cancelled orders | |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6353 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference | |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5653 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , default new label layout and sample data have broken call number placeholder | |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5684 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Z3950 search on OCLC pulls in items (tag 952) | |
| 02:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6497 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , MARC URLs not showing up in OPAC Detail page with XSLT turned off | |
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| 03:00 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #297: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/297/ |
| 03:00 | * colin.campbell: Bug 6050 Make calls to GetItemsInfo consistent | |
| 03:00 | * f.demians: Bug 6050 Followup, edit a last function call | |
| 03:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6050 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , GetItemsInfo ignores second parameter |
| 03:00 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 298 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 03:30 | Amit_Gupta | heya chris ;) |
| 03:30 | good morning koha ;) | |
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| 03:43 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #298: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/298/ |
| 03:43 | jonathan.druart: Bug 6061: clearing up system preference on update | |
| 03:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6061 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , C4::Context clearing up system preference on update |
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| 04:42 | peleroform | hi |
| 04:42 | rangi | hi peleroform |
| 04:43 | peleroform | is it possible to upgrade direct to version 3.4. when I use version 3.0 |
| 04:44 | because I use it on a ubuntu 10.04 LTS system (installed with a liveCD) and when I try to upgrade I always get some errors after | |
| 04:44 | pearl makefile.pl path-to-installfile | |
| 04:45 | when i start make | |
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| 05:40 | Ropuch^ | Morning #koha |
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| 05:58 | Oak | \o |
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| 06:00 | hdl | hi |
| 06:00 | wahanui | privet, hdl |
| 06:01 | Oak | hello hdl :) |
| 06:01 | hdl | hi oak |
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| 06:34 | eythian | sweet, I've got client SSL certificate authentication working in Koha now. Time to upstream it. |
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| 06:41 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:41 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
| 06:42 | Oak | hello reiveune :) |
| 06:43 | reiveune | hi Oak |
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| 06:52 | oakivil | morning koha! |
| 06:52 | where cann i see the irc logs? | |
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| 06:54 | Oak | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]g/koha/2011-06-14 |
| 06:54 | oakivil | kiitos! |
| 06:55 | eythian | g'day oakivil |
| 06:56 | matts_away is now known as matts | |
| 06:57 | oakivil | i need to rig something via my mobile to reach this chat |
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| 07:00 | alex_a | hello #koha ! |
| 07:01 | Oak | hello alex_a :) |
| 07:02 | oakivil, I don't know the answer, but which mobile you have? | |
| 07:02 | oakivil | I'll find out |
| 07:02 | :D | |
| 07:02 | don't sweat | |
| 07:02 | it was just a thought about my depressing current work situation | |
| 07:07 | alex_a | hi Oak :) |
| 07:07 | Oak | :) |
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| 07:11 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 07:11 | eythian | I swear, every time I think I understand rebasing, it just gets a bit more confusing. |
| 07:12 | magnuse | ouch |
| 07:12 | eythian | �Some say that [rebasing] is made so that when we are about to understand it, it changes into something even more incomprehensible. And then there are those who say that this has already happened.� --apologies to Douglas Adams |
| 07:14 | magnuse | heh |
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| 07:34 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6296] Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6296> |
| 07:34 | magnuse | ooh, sounds cool |
| 07:35 | eythian++ | |
| 07:36 | miguel | Hello Koha |
| 07:36 | magnuse | hola miguel |
| 07:37 | eythian | magnuse: yeah, we have a govt agency that uses that method for authenticating against all their internal services, so need it. |
| 07:37 | miguel | Hola, buenos dias magnuse |
| 07:38 | hdl | hola miguel |
| 07:38 | miguel | Hola henri |
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| 07:42 | miguel | I would like to announce that we are going to publish some developments that can be interesting for the community |
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| 07:44 | hdl | miguel: nice. |
| 07:44 | magnuse | miguel: cool! |
| 07:44 | miguel | I would try to explain them through koha wiki, but some of them are manage facets or browser by directory |
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| 07:55 | julian_ | hi #koha |
| 07:56 | magnuse | bonjour julian_ |
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| 08:38 | oakivil | I found this message in the mailing list: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]March/023264.html . Here a guy claims that by directly injecting the bare necessary author and title data to Koha's biblio, biblioitems, additionalautors, items & itemtypes -tables is not enough to make them searchable. This is exactly the approach I am doing. Do I need to somehow generate the marcxml as well? |
| 08:38 | I already tried to add a new biblio but couldnt find it afterwards to be edited via the cataloguing section, even thought there is a new bibliorow in the database | |
| 08:39 | what fields should I supply to create a bare minimum testing environment? Where one could browse for items through the OPAC, loan and return books? | |
| 08:39 | Do I need to index them with zebra? | |
| 08:40 | how do I trigger the zebra indexing if so? | |
| 08:45 | magnuse | oakivil: what version of koha are you using? |
| 08:47 | oakivil | 3.4 |
| 08:47 | I am just trying to figure out the best approach to data migration | |
| 08:48 | looking for any migration tools inside koha | |
| 08:48 | that help me preserve the biblio-item-patron relations | |
| 08:52 | magnuse | hm, i think transforming your data to marc records with e.g. marcedit is a better bet than inserting into the database directly |
| 08:53 | you would need to assemble the marcxml somehow, and i don't think there is a way to sunc from the database tables to marcxml | |
| 08:53 | oakivil | ok |
| 08:53 | magnuse | and you need to index them before they are searchable, which uses the marc or marcxml columns |
| 08:53 | oakivil | so should i generate MARC21 or MARCXML? |
| 08:54 | MARCXML is easier for me | |
| 08:54 | magnuse | um, marc21 is a marc dialect, marcxml is a format |
| 08:54 | so you can have marc21 in marcxml format | |
| 08:54 | it's either marcxml or iso2709 | |
| 08:54 | marcxml is probably the easiest to create | |
| 08:57 | oakivil | ok |
| 08:57 | yeah were talking about MARC21XML :D | |
| 08:58 | but there are two fields in the database | |
| 08:58 | marc and marcxml | |
| 08:58 | bot are longstrings | |
| 08:58 | can i just omit the marc-field? | |
| 08:59 | and fill the marcxml? | |
| 08:59 | it was speculated that it might cause problems | |
| 09:00 | magnuse | well if you create marcxml you can import that with the "stage records for import tool" in the web ui, or use the batchmarcimport.pl tool from the command line, and those tools will take care of all the syncing and everything |
| 09:00 | oakivil | ok |
| 09:00 | how can i trace the id's | |
| 09:01 | in our current database biblios are connected to items via a document id | |
| 09:01 | magnuse | sorry, that should be bulkmarcimport.pl... |
| 09:01 | oakivil | now using this import script will change the pk |
| 09:01 | and i lose the connection from biblios to items and items to patrons | |
| 09:02 | magnuse | well, the easiest is probably yo create the items in the marcxml, in the 952 fields |
| 09:02 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]C21_Holding_field.2C_3.0_default_-_field_952 | |
| 09:02 | one 952 for each item connected to a record | |
| 09:05 | oakivil | ah ok |
| 09:05 | this clarifies a lot | |
| 09:05 | magnuse | cool |
| 09:05 | oakivil | so instead of directly manipulating the database is hould create compålex marc21xml-records |
| 09:06 | magnuse | that's what i would recommend, certainly |
| 09:06 | oakivil | how are the items connected as loans to patrons? |
| 09:06 | magnuse | there's a table in the database... |
| 09:06 | oakivil | well if it is supposed to be made like that and it is the easiest way then ill do it just the way you said |
| 09:06 | ok | |
| 09:07 | so i should directly modify that table? | |
| 09:07 | magnuse | that is possible |
| 09:08 | the table is called "issues" | |
| 09:09 | oakivil | ok |
| 09:09 | magnuse | table structure: http://paste.koha-community.org/82 |
| 09:10 | what i did when i imported active loans/issues was i created a file in the format used by the offline clients | |
| 09:10 | oakivil | http://kohadocs.org/usersguide/apas03.html |
| 09:10 | im reading this one | |
| 09:10 | magnuse | to make sure i did not miss any "connections" |
| 09:10 | oakivil | but its old |
| 09:10 | magnuse | yeah, really old, a lot can have changed since then |
| 09:10 | oakivil | hmm thats a good idea |
| 09:11 | uding the offline client to make those .koh files | |
| 09:11 | magnuse | or just generating files in the same format |
| 09:11 | oakivil | yeah generating :D |
| 09:12 | not by hand.. | |
| 09:12 | scary thought | |
| 09:12 | magnuse | hehe |
| 09:12 | oakivil | so now I have tools to create the record-item-issues-patrons chain |
| 09:12 | magnuse | here's a perl script i used to do it: https://github.com/MagnusEnger[…]er/tidem/loans.pl |
| 09:14 | oakivil | looks like ill be studying the PERL hello world for a while |
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| 09:14 | magnuse | hehe |
| 09:14 | oakivil | ok |
| 09:14 | but time for me to hit the office, thanks a LOT Mr. Magnus | |
| 09:14 | magnuse | no problem, oakivil |
| 09:15 | oakivil | trying to get irc connection via mobile |
| 09:15 | to bother you evenmore | |
| 09:15 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 10:00 | SpaceLibrarian_home | o/ |
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| 10:03 | raosoma | hi good morning... |
| 10:04 | can anyone help me in configuring email in koha installed on debian server | |
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| 10:23 | druthb | o/ |
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| 11:21 | kivilahtio | yeah! Got static IP routing to work via mobile data connection! |
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| 12:42 | kivilahtio | werent we supposed to have some kind of meeting here? |
| 12:42 | magnuse | a little early i think |
| 12:42 | kivilahtio | it was at 18:00? |
| 12:42 | magnuse | 14 June 2011 at 18:00 UTC+0 |
| 12:42 | kivilahtio | its almost 16:00 here gmt +2 |
| 12:43 | so in 4 hours | |
| 12:43 | ok | |
| 12:43 | magnuse | http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]ur=18&min=0&sec=0 |
| 12:43 | kivilahtio | wow 21:00 :D |
| 12:44 | magnuse | 5 hours, i'd say? |
| 12:44 | lahti - finland? | |
| 12:44 | kivilahtio | office closes at 19:00 :D maybe I'll get a special permission to stay |
| 12:44 | Helsinki | |
| 12:44 | magnuse | cool! |
| 12:44 | kivilahtio | sorry |
| 12:44 | Joensuu | |
| 12:44 | where did you get Lahti? | |
| 12:44 | ip trace leads right into Joensuu | |
| 12:44 | magnuse | from your nick ;-) kivi-lahti-o |
| 12:45 | kivilahtio | haha |
| 12:45 | actually i am oakivil | |
| 12:45 | from my office this time | |
| 12:45 | magnuse | aha! ;-) |
| 12:45 | kivilahtio | but i forgot my mirc open @ home so my primary nick is kinda reserved |
| 12:45 | and i cant kick oakivil | |
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| 12:52 | oleonard | This is the first I've heard of this: http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=15779 |
| 12:52 | "The National Library of the Philippines has launched this morning the Koha Integrated Library System " | |
| 12:53 | magnuse | hm, i think there was a news thing about that a while back? i might be mixing countries... |
| 12:54 | anyway: yay! ;-) | |
| 12:55 | oleonard | I wonder if the language barrier is too much for collaboration or if collaboration just isn't in some institutions' nature. |
| 12:57 | druthb | could be both, oleonard. |
| 12:57 | oleonard | Either way it always makes me sad. The more the merrier. |
| 12:58 | kivilahtio | It will be hard time for them to figure it all out |
| 12:58 | oleonard | But I have the luxury of speaking the dominant language. |
| 12:58 | kivilahtio | multilinguistics is a richness |
| 12:58 | :D what a translation | |
| 13:05 | magnuse | here's a story from march: "National Library brings 'Koha' to Pangasinan" http://www.philstar.com/Articl[…]SubCategoryId=473 |
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| 13:23 | magnuse | don't forget to give Koha the thumbs up at http://koha-community.org/ if you havn't done so already! |
| 13:54 | tcohen | hi #koha, is there an entry on the wiki for holdings data in post-3.2 versions of koha? |
| 13:54 | more specifically, on importing holdings data INTO koha? | |
| 13:55 | druthb | tcohen++ #for 3.4-upgrade-problem-finder-script. |
| 13:55 | magnuse | tcohen: i think this is your best reference: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 13:56 | tcohen | magnuse: then for importing records with holdings people should keep coding holdings data into 952 and koha will remove it?= |
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| 13:57 | magnuse | tcohen: heh, yeah guess that is one way to see it... |
| 13:58 | koha will update the database with data from 952 and then reassemble the 952 when it is needed | |
| 13:59 | tcohen | magnuse: so, if you install 3.4.X from zero, and import data the-old-way (952-coded holdings) it will work as expected |
| 13:59 | magnuse | it should, yes |
| 13:59 | tcohen | ok, i'll try to update the wiki page then |
| 14:00 | magnuse | cool |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | oleonard: is there any issue with these if ($input->param("del") in if's? |
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| 14:16 | slef | anyone recognise this template syntax? {[content_viewer:popupMenu:rootID=137&direction=H]} |
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| 14:22 | wizzyrea | never mind lol I have a dumb. |
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| 14:34 | rhcl | Magandang Gabi |
| 14:35 | * druthb | checks to see if someone rearranged the keys on rhcl's keyboard while he wasn't lookin'. |
| 14:35 | rhcl | druthb: kumusta po kayo? |
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| 14:37 | * druthb | has been accused of barely speaking English, and was firmly advised *not* to attempt taking a foreign language in college. |
| 14:42 | rhcl | Yea, well, my tagalog wasn't from a formal college. :) |
| 14:43 | and I barely remember a few phrases here and there.... | |
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| 14:50 | miguel | Are there anyone connected from Cordoba University of Argentina? |
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| 14:51 | rhcl | Isn't that tcohen? |
| 14:52 | miguel: I think you are looking for tchoen, but he may not be logged on yet. | |
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| 14:52 | rhcl | @seen tcohen |
| 14:52 | huginn | rhcl: tcohen was last seen in #koha 52 minutes and 47 seconds ago: <tcohen> ok, i'll try to update the wiki page then |
| 14:52 | miguel | ok, thanks |
| 14:53 | tcohen | hola Miguel |
| 14:53 | miguel? | |
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| 14:56 | rhcl | let me try this again :) |
| 14:56 | Magandang gabi oleonard | |
| 14:57 | oleonard | Gesundheit |
| 14:57 | * talljoy | laughs |
| 14:58 | rhcl | 안녕 |
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| 15:02 | nengard | just realized I haven't said "hi" in a while ... I've been here, just distracted and busy |
| 15:02 | so "hi" #koha | |
| 15:02 | oleonard | I hope it's a good busy nengard |
| 15:03 | nengard | I think it is ... sometimes I can't tell |
| 15:03 | I have a book due to the publisher in a week and we're upgrading all our libraries to 3.4.1 and just finished SLA and have ALA coming up .... | |
| 15:03 | just a lot :0 | |
| 15:03 | slef | rhcl: ĉio? |
| 15:04 | I mean | |
| 15:04 | rhcl: kio? | |
| 15:05 | talljoy | nengard: have enjoyed reading the "librarian friendly" release notes on koha page. Thanks! |
| 15:05 | nengard++ | |
| 15:05 | nengard | glad to help! |
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| 15:08 | kmkale | Namaskar #koha |
| 15:11 | rhcl | guess I'm lost with the euro languages.. :) |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | oleonard: about? |
| 15:12 | druthb | namaste, kmkale. :) |
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| 15:14 | kmkale | Namaste druthb :) |
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| 15:18 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:21 | kmkale | @later tell Brooke Yes that description of Thane is fairly accurate |
| 15:21 | huginn | kmkale: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | @later tell oleonard something has gone funny with your column hiding stuff on batchmod-edit and batchdel :( |
| 15:25 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:39 | nengard | anyone know where the note you enter in acq when receiving an item is supposed to go? |
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| 15:41 | slef | nengard: no. Shall I look? |
| 15:41 | nengard | if you can that would be awesome |
| 15:42 | slef | can you tell me the <input>s name? |
| 15:42 | URL ends orderreceive.pl, right? | |
| 15:42 | sorry, finishreceive.pl | |
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| 15:44 | slef | nengard: it ends up in aqorders.notes |
| 15:44 | nengard | thanks! |
| 15:44 | slef | (via C4::Acquisitions::ModOrder) |
| 15:44 | nengard | can we see that anywhere in the GUI? |
| 15:46 | slef | acqui/basket? |
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| 15:47 | nengard | I need to test again ... but I don't think so |
| 15:47 | slef | yeah, pretty sure that's it... there are quite a few fields called notes in koha though. |
| 15:47 | nengard | k |
| 15:47 | slef | small warning, I'm looking at 3.2 and you just said you're going to 3.4.1 |
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| 15:48 | slef | my 3.4 working directory is a mess of merges at the moment so I don't want to look at that |
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| 16:07 | Oak | \o |
| 16:07 | druthb | hi, Oak! |
| 16:08 | Oak | Hello druthb :) how are you today? |
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| 16:09 | druthb | chugging along. :) |
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| 16:14 | mib_cait | hi #koha |
| 16:14 | Oak | hello mib_cait ... finally |
| 16:14 | mib_cait | finally? |
| 16:15 | my laptop is pulling the blinking grub> stunt again :( | |
| 16:15 | Oak | i was wondering where were you... not here i mean |
| 16:15 | mib_cait | spent time with my family :) |
| 16:15 | Oak | good good |
| 16:15 | mib_cait | now tryint to repair my laptop... |
| 16:17 | * Oak | uses lilo -- Always |
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| 16:18 | mib_cait | lilo? |
| 16:18 | Oak | never heard of lilo O-O |
| 16:18 | Linux Loader | |
| 16:20 | mib_cait | not sure this will help here |
| 16:20 | it's the third time it happened :( | |
| 16:21 | evertthing is ok... until I decide to update it | |
| 16:21 | and after that... grub>... | |
| 16:21 | I think the laptop's old graphic card and ubuntu don't like each other much | |
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| 16:23 | rhcl | wonder if Koha supports bitcoins.... |
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| 16:34 | library_systems_guy | does anybody know where the script is that handles notices and emails |
| 16:34 | (assuming its one script) | |
| 16:38 | mib_cait | which notices? |
| 16:38 | there are 3 cronjobs related to notices and emails I think | |
| 16:38 | library_systems_guy | overdues |
| 16:38 | wahanui | hmmm... overdues is a cronjob, so that's easy |
| 16:39 | mib_cait | it's under misc... cronjobs |
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| 16:39 | mib_cait | overdue_notices.pl or similar |
| 16:39 | library_systems_guy | thanks mib_cait |
| 16:39 | mib_cait | you will also need process_message_queue |
| 16:39 | to actually send the notices out | |
| 16:40 | * library_systems_guy | sobs softly |
| 16:40 | library_systems_guy | Margo also wanted me to ask you guys if there was a setting to put the location of an itom in the results list |
| 16:41 | item* | |
| 16:43 | mib_cait | in which list? |
| 16:43 | the opac or intranet result list? | |
| 16:43 | library_systems_guy | opac |
| 16:43 | * mib_cait | sobs too |
| 16:43 | mib_cait | this grub repair thing doesn't work :( |
| 16:44 | library_systems_guy | the grub repair doesn't work? |
| 16:44 | mib_cait | no |
| 16:44 | library_systems_guy | have you tried popping in the ubuntu disk and running a recovery? |
| 16:44 | mib_cait | I only get a lot of error messages |
| 16:45 | library_systems_guy | are you updating to 11.04? |
| 16:45 | mib_cait | no |
| 16:45 | I am already there... | |
| 16:45 | but sometimes when I run updates... something goes terribly wrong | |
| 16:45 | library_systems_guy | ohh |
| 16:45 | mib_cait | and all I get on the next restart is a blinking grub> |
| 16:45 | last time my coworker repaired it for me | |
| 16:45 | * library_systems_guy | is thinking |
| 16:45 | mib_cait | one time I managed to do it... but took no notes :( |
| 16:46 | library_systems_guy | and you've done the autoclean and autoremove stuff? |
| 16:46 | mib_cait | ? |
| 16:46 | I am still a linux newb | |
| 16:46 | library_systems_guy | apt-get autoclean |
| 16:46 | mib_cait | I just agreed to update |
| 16:46 | library_systems_guy | apt-get autoremove |
| 16:46 | mib_cait | ubuntu desktip |
| 16:47 | I think it should do that automagically | |
| 16:47 | library_systems_guy | i still have to do it on my ubuntu desktop install |
| 16:47 | just to kill abandoned packages | |
| 16:48 | im running the latest updates now | |
| 16:48 | ill see if it kills mine too | |
| 16:49 | mib_cait | wellI guess it's too late for that now |
| 16:49 | coworker said problem could be the graphics chip | |
| 16:49 | this laptop is really old | |
| 16:49 | about 8 years now | |
| 16:49 | library_systems_guy | ohh yeah that is really old for a laptop |
| 16:49 | err desktop for that matter | |
| 16:49 | mib_cait | and it happened 3 times now... |
| 16:49 | so you are good with linux? | |
| 16:50 | this manual says "change into a chroot environment" | |
| 16:50 | library_systems_guy | im ok...i get around pretty well |
| 16:50 | for grub? | |
| 16:50 | mib_cait | yes |
| 16:51 | library_systems_guy | i think you just use chroot from the grub command line |
| 16:51 | mib_cait | ok? |
| 16:51 | library_systems_guy | i've only had to do it once |
| 16:51 | so where you see grub> | |
| 16:51 | do you have a link that you are looking at? | |
| 16:52 | you really only use chroot to reinstall grub | |
| 16:52 | mib_cait | http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRU[…]ur#chroot-Methode |
| 16:52 | and thx for trying to help me :) | |
| 16:52 | library_systems_guy | |
| 16:52 | library_systems_guy++ | |
| 16:53 | library_systems_guy | ok so this is saying there are several options |
| 16:53 | but I would still try and reinstall grub from inside ubuntu if possible | |
| 16:53 | or will it not boot at all? | |
| 16:53 | mib_cait | not at all |
| 16:53 | library_systems_guy | poo |
| 16:53 | ok | |
| 16:54 | mib_cait | I have a terminal now |
| 16:54 | from the live cd | |
| 16:54 | or not at all.. where not at all means I only get that screen with the grub> command line. but the possibilities from there seem limited | |
| 16:55 | Oak | at that prompt, does typing 'help' do anything? |
| 16:56 | slef | pressing tab definitely helps |
| 16:56 | collum | mib_cait: I had to add nomodeset to my grub settings on an old profile computer at home. |
| 16:56 | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/20[…]artup-workaround/ | |
| 16:57 | library_systems_guy | grub> root (hd0,0) |
| 16:57 | assuming hd0 is where grub is installed | |
| 16:57 | generally if it is an older computer it is | |
| 16:58 | then can you let me know what you get? | |
| 16:58 | mib_cait | hm, I am still in the terminal from the live cd - so leave that and restart? |
| 16:59 | library_systems_guy | yeah so you can get to a grub window |
| 16:59 | err grub shell | |
| 16:59 | oh man | |
| 16:59 | slef | If you're really only got a grub> prompt then a boot syntax will be something like: root (hd0,0), then kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 5, then maybe initrd /initrd.img, then boot |
| 16:59 | library_systems_guy | is the computer you are talking to us on there |
| 17:00 | slef | but pressing tab a lot rocks |
| 17:00 | biab | |
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| 17:00 | library_systems_guy | hey druthb |
| 17:00 | Oak | yes, slef ... this says same thing: http://www.troubleshooters.com[…]nux/grub/grub.htm |
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| 17:01 | library_systems_guy | have you had a chance to looks at those *ILS that shall not be named* scripts |
| 17:01 | mib_cait | ? |
| 17:01 | ok, I am confused by now | |
| 17:01 | library_systems_guy | lol sorry I tried to catch ruth |
| 17:02 | mib_cait | it's ok... this laptop has realyl a sense for bad timing |
| 17:02 | library_systems_guy | this is what i am using for reference http://www.mail-archive.com/de[…]org/msg92047.html |
| 17:02 | slef | Oak: good link. I didn't know about find. |
| 17:02 | Oak | :) |
| 17:03 | mib_cait | ok |
| 17:03 | on grub command line now | |
| 17:03 | so root (hd0,0) | |
| 17:03 | library_systems_guy | yes |
| 17:03 | * mib_cait | wants to cry |
| 17:03 | mib_cait | have to find out first how to type ( and ) on an english keyboard |
| 17:03 | Oak | mib_cait, don't |
| 17:03 | * library_systems_guy | hugs mib_cait |
| 17:05 | mib_cait | unknown command root |
| 17:06 | Oak | huh, okay, you can cry now |
| 17:06 | go ahead | |
| 17:06 | mib_cait | that is not helpful |
| 17:06 | or nice | |
| 17:06 | Oak | uh oh, |
| 17:06 | * mib_cait | is in a mood to throw something now |
| 17:06 | mib_cait | library_systems_guy: what now? |
| 17:06 | slef? | |
| 17:06 | wahanui | rumour has it slef is a proponent of all things cooperative |
| 17:06 | * library_systems_guy | isn't giving up on mib_cait |
| 17:07 | library_systems_guy | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 17:07 | try that | |
| 17:07 | let me know if it work | |
| 17:08 | * Oak | will be quiet for one hour now |
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| 17:08 | * paul_p_home | head for dinner, see you in 1 hours |
| 17:09 | mib_cait | unknown command mount |
| 17:09 | library_systems_guy | grr |
| 17:09 | mib_cait | I think this will not work from the grub line |
| 17:09 | most of the manuals suggest getting into a terminal from a livecd | |
| 17:09 | library_systems_guy | ok one last thing and then we can go back to the live cd |
| 17:10 | chroot /bin/bash / | |
| 17:10 | mib_cait | ok |
| 17:10 | library_systems_guy | try that, if it doesn't work we'll go back to the terminal |
| 17:10 | mib_cait | unknown commant chroot |
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| 17:11 | library_systems_guy | grr ok back to the terminal |
| 17:11 | sorry mib_cait | |
| 17:12 | Oak | okay, hour is over, what does this do: find /sbin/init ? |
| 17:12 | mib_cait | your hours are fast :P |
| 17:13 | library_systems_guy: starting the live cd takes a little, I am on my way | |
| 17:13 | library_systems_guy | its ok :) |
| 17:13 | mind taking a look at this link while you wait http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708 | |
| 17:14 | mib_cait | ok |
| 17:14 | about your question- location in result list. I think it's not possible right now, but might be wrong | |
| 17:15 | ok, back in termainal | |
| 17:15 | library_systems_guy | ahh ok...not possible in a setting or not possible with added code? |
| 17:15 | ok cool | |
| 17:15 | mib_cait | the fdisk shows sda1 as linux |
| 17:15 | library_systems_guy | sweet |
| 17:15 | mib_cait | I have no other os on this laptop, only ubuntu |
| 17:15 | library_systems_guy | its ok |
| 17:16 | so does the sudo mkdir /media/sda1 work? | |
| 17:18 | mib_cait | looks good |
| 17:18 | I did the first 3 steps | |
| 17:18 | library_systems_guy | so the last one should be |
| 17:18 | mib_cait | sudo grub-install... gives me Installation finished. No error reported |
| 17:18 | library_systems_guy | YAYY |
| 17:18 | mib_cait | so this was it´? |
| 17:18 | library_systems_guy | so if you reboot does it work?? |
| 17:18 | mib_cait | hm, we will see |
| 17:18 | all fingers crossed please! | |
| 17:18 | Oak | moment of truth |
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| 17:19 | * library_systems_guy | crosses fingers for mib_cait |
| 17:19 | * Oak | goes prepare for celebrations |
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| 17:19 | mib_cait | hm, shutting down... is looking weird |
| 17:19 | library_systems_guy | uh oh |
| 17:19 | what is weird about it? | |
| 17:19 | mib_cait | I/o errors |
| 17:19 | library_systems_guy | 0_0 |
| 17:20 | is there anything on there that is preventing you from doing a clean install? | |
| 17:20 | mib_cait | yes, files and a koha installation I don't want to redo... |
| 17:20 | ok, could get the files otu | |
| 17:20 | hm, grub | |
| 17:20 | didn't work | |
| 17:20 | library_systems_guy | poop |
| 17:21 | Oak | crap |
| 17:21 | mib_cait | yeah |
| 17:21 | * Oak | returns the balloons and cake |
| 17:22 | library_systems_guy | ok so this is for grub2 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
| 17:22 | larryb might have some insight on this too | |
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| 17:23 | larryb | I missed the beginning of the conversation. What up? |
| 17:23 | mib_cait | trying to repair my laptop |
| 17:24 | library_systems_guy | mib_cait is having issues with grub failing |
| 17:24 | mib_cait | ubuntu, after update all I get is grub> |
| 17:24 | regular update, finished without problems, not sure what's going wrong | |
| 17:25 | library_systems_guy | at the grub menu can you type boot |
| 17:25 | larryb | Yeah, that's what I was going to suggest. |
| 17:25 | mib_cait | ok, I am on the live cd terminal now... can go back to the grub line |
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| 17:27 | larryb | If the ubuntu documentation for grub doesn't help, and if were me, I'd use the live cd to backup all my files, and do a clean install. |
| 17:27 | But that's me. | |
| 17:27 | mib_cait | it will take hours |
| 17:28 | * library_systems_guy | agrees wtih larryb |
| 17:28 | mib_cait | I repaired it 2 times... |
| 17:28 | * library_systems_guy | feels really bad that he can't find a fast solution |
| 17:28 | mib_cait | why is this time so hard? |
| 17:28 | ok... coworker did it the last time | |
| 17:28 | Oak | that's what we used to do with windoze problems... in linux we *fix* things |
| 17:28 | mib_cait | following the instrcutions on the ubuntu page I run int o this |
| 17:29 | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error. cannot stat aufs | |
| 17:32 | library_systems_guy | can you run sudo apt-get install grub-pc |
| 17:35 | mib_cait | is already the newest version |
| 17:35 | library_systems_guy | sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 17:36 | mib_cait | already mouted |
| 17:36 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 17:37 | library_systems_guy | sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda |
| 17:38 | mib_cait | installation finished, no errors reported |
| 17:38 | library_systems_guy | sudo grub-install /dev/sda |
| 17:39 | mib_cait | ... cannot stat aufs |
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| 17:39 | Oak | mib_cait, I asked in #ubuntu in Freenode, check this: https://help.ubuntu.com/commun[…]irect=RestoreGrub |
| 17:40 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
| 17:40 | * mib_cait | waves to magnuse |
| 17:40 | mib_cait | Oak: which part of it? |
| 17:40 | and I didn't install windoes | |
| 17:40 | * magnuse | waves to mib_cait and sends some consolation cookies |
| 17:41 | mib_cait | thx magnuse :) |
| 17:41 | * mib_cait | shares with library_systems_guy and oak |
| 17:41 | drojf | hello #koha |
| 17:41 | * library_systems_guy | thanks mib_cait |
| 17:42 | Oak | after booting into Live cd... try this: in above link, ctrl+f Restoring GRUB |
| 17:43 | library_systems_guy | mib_cait i have to go afk for a bit |
| 17:43 | mib_cait | ok |
| 17:43 | the meeting starts in 12 minutes | |
| 17:44 | oak: can't install grub - wifi n ot working | |
| 17:44 | Oak | okay. |
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| 17:46 | ricmarques is now known as Guest4584 | |
| 17:46 | thd-away is now known as thd | |
| 17:46 | Guest4584 is now known as ricardo1 | |
| 17:46 | Oak | and in this link, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2, ctrl+f GRUB 2 Troubleshooting Preparation |
| 17:47 | ricardo1 is now known as ricmarques | |
| 17:47 | ricmarques | Hi all :) |
| 17:47 | Oak | mib_cait, that was for you |
| 17:48 | ricmarques | A few minutes ago, I fixed a small typo in the "Agenda" for today's IRC meeting in the Wiki - "Global *sign* off day" was written "Global *sing* off day" - I though the typo was cute... maybe it was intentional? ;-) |
| 17:49 | mib_cait | perhals, make it more look like fun instead of work.. :) |
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| 17:49 | magnuse | that's the idea! ;-) |
| 17:49 | mib_cait is now known as cait | |
| 17:49 | oakivil | makes me wonder how do we sing in irc |
| 17:49 | I'm singing in the IRC | |
| 17:49 | ricmarques | oakivil: eheh |
| 17:49 | drojf | hehe, sing all the bugs away |
| 17:49 | oakivil | bugdance |
| 17:50 | magnuse | the bugs sure would flee if they had to hear me sing... |
| 17:50 | hdl | Hi all... Sorry. Won't attend the irc meeting. |
| 17:50 | ricmarques | magnuse: LOL! Quick: Start singing! ;-) |
| 17:50 | hdl | Will read logs |
| 17:50 | ricmarques | hdl: OK Henri. Take care :) |
| 17:50 | thd | hdl: could you answer a quick question? |
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| 17:51 | hdl | if you ask quick |
| 17:51 | thd | hdl: What is the general purpose of the crosswalk branch? |
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| 17:52 | Oak | \o |
| 17:52 | Oak left #koha | |
| 17:52 | hdl | enable libraries to get biblios from LOC when they are in UNIMARC. |
| 17:53 | thd | hdl: Is that a one way mapping? |
| 17:53 | hdl | (that could also help the other way round.... ;) ) |
| 17:53 | it is xslt | |
| 17:53 | and since you cannot roundtrip MARC21 to UNIMARC... | |
| 17:54 | yes it is one way | |
| 17:54 | cait | chris_n: around? |
| 17:55 | hm, this could be a short meeting | |
| 17:55 | slef | hi |
| 17:55 | wahanui | hi, slef |
| 17:55 | cait | hi slef |
| 17:55 | Waylon | chris, without the n, is here, at least. |
| 17:55 | thd | hdl: Thanks for the quick answer |
| 17:56 | slef | no rangi? |
| 17:56 | cait | yeah, our release managers/maintainers are missing |
| 17:56 | slef | ok, anyone got a link to the meetbot instructions? |
| 17:56 | meetbot? | |
| 17:56 | Waylon | ... gah.. okay. |
| 17:56 | slef | wahanui: you suck |
| 17:56 | wahanui | slef: i'm not following you... |
| 17:56 | cait | Brooke will not be able to attend tonight and she asked me to chair the meeting - but I will be happy if someone else volunteers |
| 17:56 | ricmarques | cait: Missing or fleeing? ;-) |
| 17:56 | thd | Is there an agenda even? |
| 17:56 | slef | thd: yes |
| 17:56 | cait | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ha-td3264811.html |
| 17:57 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_14_June_2011 | |
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| 17:58 | Waylon | do we have an active, opable person? |
| 17:58 | slef | who needs ops? |
| 17:58 | cait | I don't think we need ops |
| 17:58 | Waylon | ah okay. |
| 17:58 | cait | ok, I will start the meetbot |
| 17:58 | slef | apparently I have them if we need them |
| 17:59 | thd | :) |
| 17:59 | cait | #startmeeting |
| 17:59 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Jun 14 18:04:15 2011 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 17:59 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | I also have them :) |
| 17:59 | cait | let's start with introductions |
| 17:59 | Waylon | OOOOO, huginn has had an upgrade... nice... |
| 17:59 | cait | #topic introductions |
| 18:00 | * nengard | Nicole C. Engard, Documentation Manager & ByWater Solutions |
| 18:00 | * wizzyrea | Liz Rea, NEKLS (Kansas USA) |
| 18:00 | * slef | MJ Ray, software engineering specialist, software.coop |
| 18:00 | * magnuse | Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (will have to run in an hour) |
| 18:00 | * cait | Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 18:00 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:00 | drojf | Mirko Tietgen, Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin, Germany (first time lurker;) |
| 18:00 | slef | err I'm going to get a kick... why don't we #info these? |
| 18:00 | then they'd appear in the minutes | |
| 18:00 | #info MJ Ray, software engineering specialist, software.coop | |
| 18:00 | tajoli | Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy |
| 18:00 | magnuse | good idea, slef |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, NEKLS, KS USA |
| 18:01 | nengard | so you want us to put #info in front of our names? |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | why not |
| 18:01 | ricmarques | Ricardo Dias Marques... from Portugal (occasional translator and patch submitter) |
| 18:01 | slef | like that |
| 18:01 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (will have to run in an hour) |
| 18:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 18:01 | nengard | #info Nicole C. Engard, Documentation Manager & ByWater Solutions |
| 18:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:01 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin, Germany |
| 18:01 | slef | one less job to do :) |
| 18:01 | magnuse | welcome drojf ;-) |
| 18:01 | thd | :) |
| 18:01 | magnuse | yay |
| 18:01 | cait | slef++ :) |
| 18:01 | drojf | thx magnuse :) |
| 18:01 | thd | slef++ |
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| 18:02 | tajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, Italy, translation and patch |
| 18:02 | cait | ok, let's start with the first item on the agenda |
| 18:02 | Waylon | #info Waylon, Mandumah.com (arabic digital library archive), based in Saudi Arabia... I am in New Zealand |
| 18:02 | ricmarques | #info Ricardo Dias Marques... from Portugal (occasional translator and patch submitter) |
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| 18:02 | cait | ready? |
| 18:02 | #topic Formally Close 3.0? | |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | do it |
| 18:03 | cait | ok, i think hdl said he will not be able to attend the meeting |
| 18:03 | magnuse | yup |
| 18:03 | slef | Have there been any offers to adopt it? |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | he's gone on record stating it's his intention to close it |
| 18:03 | nengard | +1 to closing |
| 18:03 | * magnuse | has not seen any |
| 18:03 | Waylon | How much work is involved in adopting it? |
| 18:03 | slef | #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-05-11-02.01.html "Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot" |
| 18:04 | cait | Waylon: I think another release only makes sense if you have people writing bug fixes for it |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | Waylon: you would want to consult any of the release maintainers |
| 18:04 | ricmarques | Waylon: I would say ONLY to offer to fix / accept fixes for any outstanding bug that gets reported. |
| 18:04 | slef | Waylon: depends how many bugs are reported against it, but I think a minimum would be backporting the security fixes from late 3.2 |
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| 18:04 | cait | and we currently do 3.2.x and 3.4.x bugfix releases |
| 18:05 | ricmarques | slef++ |
| 18:05 | paul_p | hello, sorry to be late, i've problems with my internet access |
| 18:05 | slef | Waylon: difficulty/risk of having to rewrite things yourself would increase as current development gets further away |
| 18:05 | paul_p: welcome. Sorry to hear that. | |
| 18:05 | jwagner | Jane Wagner Liblime/PTFS (chiming in a bit late) |
| 18:06 | * paul_p | Paul Poulain, BibLibre |
| 18:06 | ricmarques | Welcome Paul... Jane |
| 18:06 | Waylon | the digital library archive im working for, has used it as the base.. so i am quite familar with at least the auth, search, branches and member modules and scripts. |
| 18:06 | thd | paul_p: add #info in front of your information |
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| 18:06 | Waylon | but.. yeah.. sounds like alot of work for a dead parrot. |
| 18:06 | paul_p | #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre |
| 18:07 | gmcharlt | Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 18:07 | cait | ok, so how can we proceed on this? |
| 18:07 | ricmarques | I admit I'm still running a 3.0.x installation. That's the problem of having many other non-Koha related tasks where I work (few time to test / do an upgrade) |
| 18:07 | ColinC | Colin Campbell, PTFS Europr |
| 18:07 | thd | gmcharlt: add #info in front of your information for autominutes |
| 18:08 | oakivil | #info Olli-Antti Kivilahti, Library of Joensuu, Open Library 2013 |
| 18:08 | slef | Waylon: do you need to fix security/serious bugs anyway? If so, it would be a great give-back to share |
| 18:08 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 18:08 | wizzyrea | I formally propose to close version 3.0, until such time as it has an adoptive RMaint |
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| 18:08 | nengard | +1 |
| 18:08 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 18:08 | cait | Colin, jwagner: can you please do the #info too? for the minutes |
| 18:08 | magnuse | the last minutes said "Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot." there is no new RM so it's dead |
| 18:08 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe |
| 18:08 | slef | Waylon: but planning an escape to 3.2 or 3.4 would be my advice. |
| 18:08 | cait | wizzyrea: +1 |
| 18:08 | slef | magnuse: +1 |
| 18:09 | so it's dead unless someone steps forwards to propose themselves in a future meeting | |
| 18:09 | cait | ok. so let's have a last vote - vote +1 for closing 3.0 |
| 18:09 | slef | +1 |
| 18:09 | Waylon | slef: agreed. as it is, im not up to date on security fixes and bugs and such. the git tree's been sawn in half and burned. |
| 18:09 | ColinC | +1 |
| 18:09 | paul_p | +1 |
| 18:09 | magnuse | +1 |
| 18:09 | cait | +1 |
| 18:09 | drojf | +1 |
| 18:09 | thd | +1 |
| 18:09 | Waylon | +1 |
| 18:09 | ricmarques | I'd say "+1" (but I would like to have some link with some text to invite future Release Maintainers) |
| 18:09 | tajoli | +1 |
| 18:10 | wizzyrea | ricmarques: that's easy enough. |
| 18:10 | paul_p | (we still have a few libraries running 3.0, but plan to move them to 3.4 asap) |
| 18:10 | slef | ricmarques: I think there was one |
| 18:10 | thd | ricmarques++ |
| 18:10 | cait | #info Vote is to formally close 3.0 |
| 18:10 | ricmarques | thd: thanks :) |
| 18:10 | slef | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]1-May/035542.html |
| 18:10 | "If anyone is interested in taking that action, please step in onlist and ask for access" | |
| 18:11 | cait | thx slef |
| 18:11 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 18:11 | thd | This vote could never stop anyone from volunteering |
| 18:11 | wizzyrea | safe to say no naysayers, vote carries? |
| 18:11 | slef | move on cait! ;-) |
| 18:11 | cait | ok |
| 18:11 | wizzyrea | #info proposal to close 3.0 passed with no naysayers |
| 18:11 | cait | #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.2 |
| 18:11 | chris_n: ping | |
| 18:12 | ricmarques | wizzyrea: Yep...The text that hdl put seems in the Link slef put looks great to me ("If anyone is interested in taking that action, please step in onlist and ask for access.") |
| 18:12 | cait | as chris_n seems not to be around, can someone else say something about this? |
| 18:12 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ap_to_3.2#Release |
| 18:12 | cait | ok, I think there was a message on the translator's list |
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| 18:13 | cait | there is some translation work to do and a release can be postponed if necessary |
| 18:13 | slef | Looking at that, I think there are 2 blockers still needing attention |
| 18:13 | cait | does someone have the link to the mail perhaps? |
| 18:13 | tajoli | In fact the last commit of 3.2 was done for a marc21 fix |
| 18:13 | slef | bug 3624 |
| 18:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3624 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Basket group delivery place |
| 18:13 | slef | bug 5449 |
| 18:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x |
| 18:14 | tajoli | I sponsor the bug Bug 3013 |
| 18:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3013 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, RESOLVED FIXED, Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types |
| 18:14 | tajoli | is a feature of Amicus, not present in Koha |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | #link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]le-td4398256.html |
| 18:15 | slef | cait: do you mean http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-June/001584.html ? |
| 18:15 | tajoli | The biggest italina Koha user is an ex-Amicus |
| 18:15 | cait | hm no, it's ok |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | there was an announcement in the 3.2.8 release notes |
| 18:16 | tajoli | But I have done the new translation, as I know |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea | "Important announcement concerning 3.2.cx EOL |
| 18:16 | " | |
| 18:16 | at the link I pasted above | |
| 18:16 | cait | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-June/001605.html |
| 18:16 | slef | #link http://koha-community.org/koha-3-2-8/ |
| 18:16 | cait | ok |
| 18:16 | slef | #info "After 3.2.10 or 04/15/2011, a motion will be made at the August 2011 general IRC meeting to officially announce EOL" |
| 18:17 | ricmarques | Already near killing 3.2.x?! Gee... You move fast. |
| 18:17 | slef | was repeated in |
| 18:17 | #link http://koha-community.org/koha-3-2-9/#more-2321 | |
| 18:18 | ricmarques: a motion. We can persist if enough people want it. | |
| 18:18 | ricmarques: given the changes to templates, maybe there will be some libraries willing to fund life-support for 3.2? | |
| 18:18 | wizzyrea | ricmarques: with new versions coming every 6 mo, there seems little reason to keep a lot of back versions |
| 18:18 | Waylon | wow. We just killed 3.0.. now we're killing 3.2? |
| 18:18 | wizzyrea | in AUGUST. |
| 18:19 | paul_p | Waylon, nope, we PLAN to "kill" 3.2 in AUGUST |
| 18:19 | slef | no, we PLAN to PLAN killing 3.2 in AUGUST :) |
| 18:19 | ricmarques | slef: LOL! |
| 18:19 | paul_p | slef lol |
| 18:19 | cait | ok, want to #info something? |
| 18:19 | oakivil | but that bureucracy |
| 18:19 | ricmarques | I admit I'm more of a fan of ... err... "longer-lived" releases |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | #info the plan is to plan to talk about possibly EOL'ing 3.2 in AUGUST. |
| 18:19 | paul_p | cait, plan to plan is a good info I think ;-) |
| 18:20 | cait | yep |
| 18:20 | ok. let's move on | |
| 18:20 | slef | wizzyrea: :P |
| 18:20 | cait | #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.4 |
| 18:20 | Waylon | Close, and depreciate the RM for 3.2, or just cease active work on it? |
| 18:20 | wizzyrea | slef ;) |
| 18:20 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]erry-pick_for_3.4 |
| 18:20 | Waylon: to be decided | |
| 18:20 | ricmarques | Waylon: No need to depreciate the RM for 3.2... He's a good fellow! ;-) |
| 18:20 | slef | Waylon: think about what you would prefer |
| 18:20 | paul_p | as usual, if someone volunteer to be RMAint for 3.2, then no end |
| 18:20 | wizzyrea | should there be a volunteer to rmaint, I imagine it could be managed |
| 18:21 | cait | rangi: ping |
| 18:21 | wizzyrea | #info As with 3.0, if there is a volunteer to take over RMaint for 3.2, that release can live on. Even so, that discussion will happen in August 2011. |
| 18:21 | ricmarques | cait: I'm guessing rangi is still sleeping? Current time in NZ? |
| 18:21 | rangi | hello |
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| 18:21 | cait | ah |
| 18:22 | ricmarques | My mistake! :) |
| 18:22 | cait | there he is |
| 18:22 | Waylon | about 6:30.. |
| 18:22 | wizzyrea | nope |
| 18:22 | library_systems_guy | cait are you back? |
| 18:22 | ajmalkhan | hi meeting started? |
| 18:22 | wizzyrea | yes |
| 18:22 | cait | can you say something about 3.4? |
| 18:22 | slef | ajmalkhan: hi yes. See http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-14-18.04.log.txt |
| 18:23 | rangi | wanna do the topic thing? |
| 18:23 | or not bothering with that ? | |
| 18:23 | nengard | she already ddi |
| 18:23 | did | |
| 18:23 | ajmalkhan | how to copy this link in this applet |
| 18:23 | cait | for 3.4 - but we can move on to 3.6 |
| 18:23 | rangi | ahh, yeah 3.4 is chris_n |
| 18:23 | cait | ok, let's talk about 3.6 zhrn |
| 18:24 | then.. | |
| 18:24 | #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.6 | |
| 18:24 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.6 | |
| 18:24 | rangi | its in progress, |
| 18:24 | slef | #link http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]s/Work_for_3.6.x/ |
| 18:24 | rangi | you can track the progress at http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]s/Work_for_3.6.x/ |
| 18:24 | rhcl | sorry for late checkin - rhcl = Greg Lawson @ Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 18:24 | tcohen | Tomas Cohen, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 18:25 | slef | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]i-bin/progress.pl |
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| 18:25 | sekjal | Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QA Manager (sorry I'm late, I'm on a bus) |
| 18:25 | cait | late comers, plz use #info - thx :) |
| 18:26 | rangi | if you want the raw data for that table |
| 18:26 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ress.pl?type=json | |
| 18:26 | Waylon | Meeting attending... on a bus... incredible what the worlds done. |
| 18:26 | slef | rangi: what is most helpful for others to do? |
| 18:26 | sekjal | #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QA Manager (sorry I'm late) |
| 18:26 | rangi | marking bugs resolved and signing others off |
| 18:27 | slef | Waylon: I'm sure I've done IRC meetings from sat on the sand in Miami Beach :) |
| 18:27 | rhcl | #info Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 18:27 | cait | on this topic - we have planned a global sign off day for today/tomorrow june 15th |
| 18:27 | slef | #info global sign-off day for today/tomorrow june 15th |
| 18:27 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]f_day,_2011-06-15 |
| 18:27 | * paul_p | think this global sign-off day is a GREAT idea. |
| 18:28 | sekjal | I agree with paul_p |
| 18:28 | ricmarques | paul_p++ |
| 18:28 | magnuse | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]f_day,_2011-06-15 |
| 18:28 | oops | |
| 18:28 | cait | ;) |
| 18:28 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba, Argentina |
| 18:28 | cait | we hope a lot of people will attend... I will once my laptop is talking to me again |
| 18:28 | paul_p | I've already told here, and sent a mail to cait&magnus to say that BibLibre just wanted to announce that we will have half a day every 2 weeks where everybody at BibLibre will just work on community things. |
| 18:29 | we will start in july. | |
| 18:29 | magnuse | biblibre++ |
| 18:29 | cait | biblibre++ |
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| 18:29 | slef | paul_p: community or koha-community? |
| 18:29 | wizzyrea | biblibre++ |
| 18:29 | ricmarques | biblibre++ (I just can't resist jumping on the bandwagon! ;-) |
| 18:30 | paul_p | slef, community things, so sign-off or anything usefull for the koha community |
| 18:30 | thd | paul_p++ I always assume that BibLibre works on community things all day every day :) |
| 18:30 | paul_p | (not sure I understand the question in fact) |
| 18:30 | library_systems_guy | #info Elliott Davis, University of Texas at Tyler |
| 18:30 | slef | paul_p: yeah, but I mean just koha or all community projects? |
| 18:30 | Waylon | is there a good test data for koha to be tested against, that everyone can use? Would like to, on occasion, bugfix/signoff, but have no full data |
| 18:30 | magnuse | Waylon: i think most of us make it up as we go along... |
| 18:30 | ricmarques | paul_p: More seriously, I applaud that great initiative from BibLibre :) |
| 18:30 | Waylon++ | |
| 18:30 | slef | Waylon: there are some test data sets linked on the wiki IIRC. I think it's fine to ask for test data if it doesn't fail with that. |
| 18:31 | cait | Waylon: there are some sample files that can be installed with koha (patrons, item types, etc.), no records and items so far |
| 18:31 | thd | slef: Your question makes a distinction for the ambiguity but I am assuming the Koha community in the context. |
| 18:31 | paul_p | cait & waylon = on git.biblibre.com, there is a repo with a test database we used during april hackfest. feel free to download & use it |
| 18:31 | Waylon | Hmm... there needs to be a complete data set, so people don't need to hunt.. |
| 18:31 | cait | paul_p: unimarc? |
| 18:31 | wahanui | unimarc is, like, translated I think |
| 18:32 | magnuse | #link http://git.biblibre.com/?p=data;a=summary |
| 18:32 | cait | forget unimarc |
| 18:32 | wahanui | cait: I forgot unimarc |
| 18:32 | Waylon | Ah.. there we go, thankouy paul_p. |
| 18:32 | paul_p | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=data;a=summary |
| 18:32 | Waylon | paul_p++ |
| 18:32 | paul_p | cait, I think it's marc21 |
| 18:32 | sekjal | one of my goals for this release cycle is to get one or more VERY robust sets of test data built, so one can test all sorts of different aspects of the codebase |
| 18:32 | slef | thd: assumption is the mother, sadly. |
| 18:32 | paul_p | mmm... nope, it's unimarc |
| 18:32 | cait | Waylon: for most thigns you can make up data as you go - create some items and records for the thing you test, sometimes you don't need any of that |
| 18:32 | magnuse | sekjal: yay! |
| 18:32 | ricmarques | sekjal++ |
| 18:33 | Waylon | sekjal++ |
| 18:33 | sekjal | we'd need at least marc21 and unimarc setups... multiple language support, as well |
| 18:33 | but we could manage the SQL data in a git repo, so as new database revisions came out, you could use the appropriate data set to match the code you're using | |
| 18:34 | cait | this calls for an #action ;) |
| 18:34 | bgallagher | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:34 | sekjal | also, making date's relative to the current date, not absolute (so overdues will always be "3 days over", not some specific date) |
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| 18:35 | tcohen | I'd like to ask on 'Work for 3.6.x' if bug 5166 is worth it or if I should abandon that work |
| 18:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Refactor rebuild_zebra.pl into a library |
| 18:35 | rangi | tcohen: its been signed off |
| 18:35 | so its passed that | |
| 18:36 | its up to qa to check it now | |
| 18:36 | tcohen | ok, I get it |
| 18:36 | thd | tcohen: That is important work for many people. |
| 18:36 | sekjal | it's on my list to push through QA. |
| 18:36 | I apologize to everyone; I'm behind on that | |
| 18:36 | ricmarques | Newbie question: Doesn't "Signed-Off" (also) mean "checked by QA"? |
| 18:37 | tcohen | thd: its fine, i'm just asking in case something more is needed for it |
| 18:37 | rangi | tcohen: no, passed qa means that |
| 18:37 | sekjal | ricmarques: no, they're different steps. |
| 18:37 | rangi | sorry ricmarques :) |
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| 18:37 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]i-bin/progress.pl |
| 18:38 | the headings are basically the life of a patch | |
| 18:38 | sekjal | ricmarques: patch is written, then signed off my someone else, then QA'ed, then pushed (assuming everything works as expected) |
| 18:38 | tcohen | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 18:38 | ricmarques | rangi / sekjal: Thanks... Is there some "git" entry in the Log for the QA? Or is it "just" an additional "Signed-Off"? |
| 18:38 | rangi | (it could go, does not apply, or failed qa as well) |
| 18:38 | ricmarques | tcohen: Thanks... Reading |
| 18:38 | rangi | ricmarques: bug status changes, and an additional sign off |
| 18:39 | sekjal | we can condense those steps for smaller patches... a simple, one-line template change is extremely easy to test, and doesn't need as many eyes on it |
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| 18:39 | ricmarques | rangi: "An additional sign-off"... Right, that's what I was thinking now. Who does that typically now? Sekjal? |
| 18:39 | paul_p | sekjal++ |
| 18:39 | (and rangi does that already, for trivial patches) | |
| 18:40 | margo | #info margo duncan, university of texas at tyler |
| 18:40 | tcohen | sekjal: is there an rfc for relative dates proposal? |
| 18:41 | sekjal | tcohen: no, I was just proposing to use relative dates in the SQL dataset, instead of absolute ones |
| 18:41 | rangi | ricmarques: yep sekjal is qa manager so thats him, and he is looking at coding guidelines, as well as does it work |
| 18:42 | ricmarques | rangi: Right. Thanks :) |
| 18:42 | cait | ok, ready to move on? |
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| 18:42 | sekjal | I also try to throw as many weirdo, fringe cases at a patch as I can, in the hopes of catching bugs before they're newly introduced |
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| 18:43 | rangi | cait: yep, thats all from me for 3.6, keep the patches coming |
| 18:43 | ricmarques | sekjal: "Fringe cases"? That's cool. I guess we could call the next release of Koha "Olivia Dunham" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L[…]ers#Olivia_Dunham ;-) |
| 18:43 | cait | next items are KohaCon11 and KohaCon12 |
| 18:43 | druthb | == D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater (apologies for the lateness.) |
| 18:44 | cait | druthb: plz use #info for the minutes :) |
| 18:44 | #topic KohaCon11 | |
| 18:44 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon11 | |
| 18:44 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater |
| 18:44 | paul_p | kmkale is not here, but I have some information I think I can give you about KohaCon11 |
| 18:45 | magnuse | "it will rock"? ;-) |
| 18:45 | ricmarques | sekjal: (I'm joking of course... what you said is exactly what a good tester does :) |
| 18:45 | paul_p | There are already 128 registered ppl from 19 countries |
| 18:45 | rangi | #info chris cormack, 3.6 RM |
| 18:45 | paul_p | There are 8 proposals for speaking so far. |
| 18:46 | and kmkale still hope to have rangi attending ;-) | |
| 18:46 | rangi | nope not gonna happen |
| 18:46 | Waylon | ah, to attend a con... missed my chance when it was in NZ. |
| 18:46 | paul_p | well, I make at least one proposal soon, so 9 (or 10) in fact |
| 18:46 | rangi | im at 2 other conferences at the same time |
| 18:46 | thd | :) |
| 18:47 | rangi: Which two? | |
| 18:47 | slef | Waylon: I suspect it will be back one day. Just need to keep going long enough. |
| 18:47 | rangi | access in canada, then lianza in nz |
| 18:47 | Waylon | con going to be streamed live? |
| 18:47 | paul_p | rangi, 2 or 3, that's not a problem: if you can be divided in 2, you can be divided in 3 :D |
| 18:47 | rangi | they both overlap slightly with kohacon11 |
| 18:47 | but not each other | |
| 18:47 | paul_p | (kidding) |
| 18:47 | slef | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-June/035775.html |
| 18:47 | rangi | i may try to 'phone' in a presentation though |
| 18:48 | thd | rangi++ |
| 18:48 | slef | #info to vote for the time of the next kohacon11 volunteers meeting |
| 18:48 | cait | rangi: +1 :) |
| 18:48 | ricmarques | paul_p: LOL |
| 18:48 | slef | err, that link doesn't work any more for me |
| 18:48 | ah, delete the . that the archive includes in the link | |
| 18:48 | paul_p | About the subject of proposed papers, I think we still lack things for complete newbies, like "what is OpenSource", "demo of Koha", "history of Koha" |
| 18:49 | rangi | i could do the history remotely |
| 18:49 | slef | #info oh and delete the . that the archive includes on the end of the link |
| 18:49 | rangi | depending on the internet |
| 18:49 | paul_p | rangi++ if you do the history, i could do the demo itself then. |
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| 18:50 | paul_p | (I plan to attend, with another person, depending on money...) |
| 18:51 | rangi | my presentation at access kinda overlaps, and i have most of the history written down so it wont be too hard to do |
| 18:52 | paul_p | rangi, I think the "10 years in 10 minuts" is definetly a "must show" ! |
| 18:52 | (well, 11 years in 11 minuts for KohaCon11 ;-) ) | |
| 18:53 | rangi | yup, andrew and I can remake it |
| 18:53 | magnuse | cool |
| 18:54 | paul_p | cait, ? anyone ? anything to add to KohaCon11 ? |
| 18:54 | cait | not from me |
| 18:54 | paul_p | s/to/about/ |
| 18:54 | cait | moving on? |
| 18:54 | rangi | yeah |
| 18:54 | cait | #topic KohaCon12 |
| 18:54 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon12 | |
| 18:55 | cait | I see there is a link to a doodle poll |
| 18:55 | ricmarques | cait: sure, move ahead (I'll consider attending a KohaCon if/when it takes place in Portugal ;-) |
| 18:55 | cait | #link http://doodle.com/n2ikfyxexc3ukb2d |
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| 18:56 | slef | #action Everyone fill out that poll for KohaCon12 timing, please! |
| 18:56 | magnuse | 4 people have taken the poll, including me 5 seconds ago |
| 18:56 | cait | #info Doodle poll to decide about dates for KohaCon12 |
| 18:56 | paul_p | well, I voted, but I think it's up to the organizer to decide. |
| 18:57 | magnuse | you don't show, paul_p... |
| 18:57 | nengard | i see him |
| 18:57 | paul_p | magnuse, refresh ;) |
| 18:58 | magnuse | i'd suggest opening up for proposals so places can put themselves forward, with preferred times |
| 18:58 | thanks, paul_p ;-) | |
| 18:58 | nengard | just like we did for kohacon11 |
| 18:58 | rhcl | I'd like to mention that many US libraries apply for grant money to attend conferences. That process can take months sometimes, so we need as much lead time as we can possibly get. |
| 18:58 | nengard | proposals on the wiki with date suggestions |
| 18:59 | magnuse | nengard: yeah |
| 18:59 | slef | #link http://doodle.com/mobile/parti[…]=n2ikfyxexc3ukb2d |
| 18:59 | paul_p | rhcl, same thing for french libraries, and I think for most countries too |
| 18:59 | magnuse | probably |
| 19:00 | cait | ok, so we want to call for proposals? |
| 19:00 | slef | from last meeting "IDEA: listserv eoi for KohaCon 2012" |
| 19:00 | Waylon | Hmm.. to get my library to pay my way.... |
| 19:00 | slef | did that happen yet? |
| 19:00 | magnuse | i don't think it's too early for proposals |
| 19:00 | eoi? | |
| 19:00 | slef | eoi is expressions of interest |
| 19:01 | thd | All information may be helpful but sponsors need to find dates which work for the sponsor's proposal. |
| 19:01 | magnuse | thanks, slef |
| 19:01 | tcohen | I think ill pick my savings and attend kohacon12 on my own |
| 19:01 | ricmarques | magnuse: Didn't know that one, as well |
| 19:01 | cait | ok, should we vote? someone volunteering to start a wiki page / write an email to the list? |
| 19:03 | ? | |
| 19:03 | thd | slef: Considering the idea of a special listserv for KohaCon ... |
| 19:03 | slef | I think we will bid again (probably with London or Edinburgh this time) so I don't want to volunteer. |
| 19:03 | thd: you trolling me? ;-) | |
| 19:03 | thd | A special listserv is too easy to ignore |
| 19:03 | slef no :) | |
| 19:03 | nengard | yeah, i don't want another list to watch |
| 19:03 | magnuse | slef++ |
| 19:04 | slef | oh I thought that just mean "send a call for expressions of interest to the koha list" |
| 19:04 | s/mean/meant | |
| 19:04 | ricmarques | nengard++ |
| 19:04 | cait | slef: good to hear that |
| 19:04 | magnuse | sorry folks, i gotta run, if noone else volunteers i can try to set the ball rolling |
| 19:04 | slef | magnuse++ |
| 19:04 | magnuse is now known as magnus_away | |
| 19:04 | thd | slef: sorry, I misunderstood. |
| 19:04 | cait | #action magnuse volunteers to send a mail to the mailing list about proposals for KohaCon12 |
| 19:05 | slef | thd: hard to say. Brooke wrote it and she's not here to clarify. |
| 19:05 | thd | slef: Getting attention is the problem but still easiest on the koha mailing list. |
| 19:06 | cait | yeah, I think koha mailing list has most subscribers |
| 19:06 | easy to miss another new mailing list | |
| 19:06 | thd | s/the/a major/ |
| 19:06 | ricmarques | cait++ |
| 19:07 | cait | let's move on, shall we? |
| 19:07 | rangi | yep |
| 19:07 | cait | #topic DB Documentation management |
| 19:07 | Topic for #koha is now DB Documentation management | |
| 19:07 | cait | nengard? |
| 19:07 | wahanui | nengard is fast |
| 19:07 | nengard | I am? |
| 19:07 | cait | obviously :) |
| 19:08 | nengard | anyway, I just think we need to document the database |
| 19:08 | I like the idea of commenting the SQL file for ease of use and reading | |
| 19:08 | I am willing to do what I can on this, just need the okay from you all | |
| 19:08 | I know we had a volunteer a while back - but nothing came of it | |
| 19:08 | rangi | i only like that if it db independent comments |
| 19:08 | paul_p | nengard++ |
| 19:08 | rangi, how to have db independant comments ? | |
| 19:08 | tcohen | could we maintain some schemaspy available online? |
| 19:08 | rangi | thats up to someone to figure out |
| 19:09 | what i dont want is adding more mysql dependencies | |
| 19:09 | nengard | the db is MySQL ... |
| 19:09 | rhcl | rangi++ |
| 19:09 | rangi | until i can fix that |
| 19:09 | ricmarques | nengard++ ... but, yeah... didn't someone already produce some kind of output for the Database documentation in the past? Maybe it was tajoli? |
| 19:09 | rangi | and making it more mysql does not help |
| 19:09 | tcohen | rangi++ |
| 19:09 | cait | I think normal comments in the file should be ok? |
| 19:09 | thd | nengard: You always have my OK for doing more work :) |
| 19:10 | rangi | as long as their are ansi sql compliant comments then yes |
| 19:10 | cait | not being used for creating the database, only for reading |
| 19:10 | rangi | their=they |
| 19:10 | nengard | i don't know what that means |
| 19:10 | cait | so something like /* */ |
| 19:10 | ricmarques | Yep, it seems it was tajoli (for 3.0.x): |
| 19:11 | Koha - Dev - SQL schema of Koha 3.0.3 | |
| 19:11 | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]-3-td3068617.html | |
| 19:11 | thd | nengard: Which meaning confuses you? |
| 19:11 | nengard | yeah i remember that - it seemed like more work than was necessary |
| 19:11 | thd the 'ansi sql compliant' part | |
| 19:12 | cait, yes i want them there for reading | |
| 19:12 | tajoli | sorry, I was out |
| 19:12 | cait | iirc the schemaspy solution added some kind of comment into the database - I think that's what rangi doesn't want |
| 19:12 | normal comments should be ansi compliant afaik | |
| 19:13 | nengard | i think we want something in git on the sql file that says what each field is |
| 19:13 | thd | nengard: Every database language has its own specific type of SQL. ANSI compliant means it should work on MySQL, Postgres, etc. |
| 19:13 | nengard | nothing fancy, just simple text somewhere that will make reporting easier |
| 19:13 | rangi | -- is ANSI/ISO compliant |
| 19:13 | tajoli | yes, with schemaspy you need comment in DB |
| 19:13 | nengard | thanks thd |
| 19:13 | rangi | /* */ is sql99 |
| 19:13 | cait | ah ok |
| 19:13 | sorry for that | |
| 19:13 | tcohen | tajoli: those comments qhere ansi right? |
| 19:14 | s/q/w/ | |
| 19:14 | rangi | thats ok, most dbs will support sql-99, but more support ansi/iso |
| 19:14 | thd | nengard: MySQL AB made an extra effort at being non-ANSI compliant to make some claim about licensing your SQL code. |
| 19:14 | tajoli | the schemaspy comment are INSIDE the sql definiton of the fields and tables |
| 19:14 | nengard | so is that how we want to do it? /* */ |
| 19:14 | wahanui | Hmm. No matches for that, nengard. |
| 19:14 | rangi | -- |
| 19:15 | cait | nengard: write -- comment at the end of the line |
| 19:16 | rhcl | firebird++ "Firebird is a relational database offering many ANSI SQL standard features that runs on Linux..." http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/about-firebird/ |
| 19:16 | nengard | cait so for example |
| 19:16 | `borrowernumber` int(11) NOT NULL auto_increment, -- The primary key for identifiying all borrowers | |
| 19:16 | or some such comment? | |
| 19:16 | cait | rangi? |
| 19:16 | wahanui | rangi is a proud Māori whose sense of humour matches his prowess in coding. |
| 19:16 | rangi | yeah, and get rid of those `` would be nice too |
| 19:17 | but one thing at a time | |
| 19:17 | cait | ok |
| 19:17 | nengard | hehe - well i copied that from the file, but while editing i can remove them |
| 19:17 | i don't mind | |
| 19:17 | cait | ok, so that's settled? |
| 19:17 | moving on | |
| 19:17 | #topic Miscellaneous old business | |
| 19:17 | Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous old business | |
| 19:17 | cait | do we have som old business? |
| 19:18 | nengard | wait - was i just given the okay to edit the sql file and add comments? |
| 19:18 | as long as i do it with -- | |
| 19:18 | cait | I thought so |
| 19:18 | nengard | heh |
| 19:18 | tajoli | I can show an examnple of schemaspy comments |
| 19:18 | ricmarques | tajoli++ |
| 19:18 | rangi | yep, i wont reject that |
| 19:18 | tcohen | please |
| 19:18 | nengard | there wasn't a vote, I just want to know what to do from here on out ... |
| 19:19 | cait | ok |
| 19:19 | #topic DB Documentation management | |
| 19:19 | Topic for #koha is now DB Documentation management | |
| 19:19 | nengard | what's the syntax for calling for a vote? |
| 19:20 | thd | nengard: That is what rangi and others of have said. |
| 19:20 | cait | nengard: I think ther eis no special vote syntax |
| 19:21 | tajoli: the example? | |
| 19:21 | tajoli | ALTER TABLE borrower_attribute_types COMMENT '[pat] List of extended attribute types'; |
| 19:21 | is an sql instruction, | |
| 19:21 | cait | ok, can someone verfiy if that is a mysqlism or ansi? |
| 19:21 | tajoli | that insert commet in sql defintion |
| 19:22 | nengard | which is what rangi doesn't want |
| 19:22 | tcohen | postgresql tables don't have comments? |
| 19:22 | thd | cait: if it works in both MySQL and Postgres then chances are good. |
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| 19:23 | tajoli | if the comment is inside SQL, schemaspy can use it |
| 19:24 | ColinC | syntax is differemt for postgresql as its a mysqlism |
| 19:24 | tcohen | Postgres1l COMMENT ON { TABLE ___ } IS 'text' |
| 19:24 | nengard | I'm so confused now |
| 19:24 | cait | ok |
| 19:24 | so normal comments are the safer option | |
| 19:24 | rangi | i dont want db specific comments |
| 19:24 | cait | ok |
| 19:24 | rangi | not mysql, not postgres |
| 19:25 | paul_p | http://www.postgresql.org/docs[…]/sql-comment.html and http://www.postgresql.org/docs[…]-createtable.html |
| 19:25 | cait | so I think we don't need a vote for that really - rm decides |
| 19:25 | nengard | so then I call for a vote - all in favor of me editing the SQL file with comments using the -- syntax please vote |
| 19:25 | cait | +1 |
| 19:25 | thd | 1+ |
| 19:25 | paul_p | no comment on create table it seems |
| 19:25 | so -- syntax +1 | |
| 19:26 | thd | +1 |
| 19:26 | rhcl | +1 -- http://www.firebirdsql.org/fil[…]-linecomment.html |
| 19:26 | tcohen | +1 -- |
| 19:26 | margo | +1 |
| 19:27 | ricmarques | +1 |
| 19:27 | cait | ok |
| 19:27 | #info vote is to use -- style comments for db documentation | |
| 19:27 | nengard | okay one more question and then we're done - rangi you will approve of patches that put this syntax in? |
| 19:27 | don't want to waste my time | |
| 19:28 | rangi | if its -- style comments then yes |
| 19:28 | nengard | k we can move on - the doc manager will work on the db documentation |
| 19:28 | and will be asking for help on list | |
| 19:28 | and here in irc | |
| 19:28 | thd | nengard: Ask if you are following the standard while you are working and you should be fine :) |
| 19:28 | cait | #info doc manager (nengard) will work on the db documentation |
| 19:28 | * ricmarques | was thinking that rangi would reply: "No... I'll promptly reject your patches with an Evil Laugh!" ;-) |
| 19:29 | cait | lol |
| 19:29 | I am gonna skip old business if noone disagrees | |
| 19:29 | let's start with misc | |
| 19:29 | #topic Miscellaneous | |
| 19:29 | Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous | |
| 19:29 | cait | quick vote for posting the minutes to the mailing list? |
| 19:30 | ricmarques | cait++ |
| 19:30 | jwagner | +1 |
| 19:30 | cait | #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-05-11-02.01.txt |
| 19:30 | tcohen | +1 |
| 19:30 | cait | example minutes |
| 19:30 | +1 | |
| 19:30 | oakivil | +1 |
| 19:30 | slef | +1 |
| 19:30 | drojf1 | +1 |
| 19:30 | margo | +1 |
| 19:30 | Waylon | +1 |
| 19:30 | ricmarques | +1 (example minutes look great, even if automated :) |
| 19:30 | sekjal | +1 |
| 19:30 | paul_p | +1 |
| 19:30 | rhcl | +1 |
| 19:30 | ColinC | +1 |
| 19:31 | cait | ah, fast decision :) |
| 19:31 | nengard | +1 |
| 19:31 | cait | #info vote: meeting minutes from meetbot to be posted on the mailing list |
| 19:31 | Waylon | needs link for roadmap to 3.0 ... to adopt a parrot. |
| 19:31 | thd | I propose an amendment or clarification. |
| 19:31 | cait | thd: ? |
| 19:32 | ricmarques | Waylon: http://www.birdadoption.org/ ? ;-) |
| 19:32 | tcohen | thd: r u talking about vulnerabilities...? |
| 19:32 | thd | Any posting of abbreviated minutes should include a link to the full minutes or better the wiki page for the meeting with the link to the full minutes. |
| 19:32 | ricmarques | thd++ |
| 19:32 | thd | Sorry that was wriitten poorly. |
| 19:32 | Waylon | sorry, i ment, adopt a dead parrot. :) |
| 19:32 | slef | Waylon: that was just an example. This meeting's one will have a link I think. |
| 19:33 | cait | #info thd: Any posting of abbreviated minutes should include a link to the full minutes or better the wiki page for the meeting with the link to the full minutes. |
| 19:33 | thd | Any posting of minutes should include a link to the full log or better the wiki page for the meeting with the link to the full meeting log. |
| 19:33 | cait | I think that is a good idea, we can add a #link at the end or to the mail |
| 19:33 | thd | +1 |
| 19:33 | rangi | bbiab |
| 19:34 | gotta feed the kids and catch my bus | |
| 19:34 | ricmarques | rangi: You'd better NOT get those two mixed up! ;-) |
| 19:34 | tcohen | bye rangi |
| 19:34 | cait | ok, next item is |
| 19:34 | #topic Vulnerabilites management | |
| 19:34 | Topic for #koha is now Vulnerabilites management | |
| 19:34 | thd | This solves the problem of under informative autominutes. |
| 19:35 | ricmarques | thd: agreed |
| 19:35 | cait | there are some options listed on the wiki |
| 19:35 | 1) private mail to the RM | |
| 19:36 | 2) dedicated mailing list | |
| 19:36 | 3) hidden bugzilla entry | |
| 19:36 | tcohen | i think 1 and 3 should be used |
| 19:36 | cait | I am not sure how the hidden bugzilla entries work - can someone explain? |
| 19:36 | jwagner | I'd prefer a dedicated mailing list |
| 19:37 | I thought we discussed this a couple of months ago and agreed to set one up? | |
| 19:37 | slef | jwagner: got a link |
| 19:37 | ? | |
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| 19:37 | jwagner | slef, looking.... |
| 19:38 | sekjal joined #koha | |
| 19:38 | slef | http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-03-02-17.56.html shows no ACTION |
| 19:38 | jwagner | The March 2nd meeting -- http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_2_March_2011 |
| 19:38 | thd | jwagner: We did agree as I remember or at least to send a CC message to a select group of people who need to know and would not be exploiting the vulnerability. |
| 19:38 | slef | reading the log |
| 19:40 | ok, so let me restate this | |
| 19:40 | #action close koha-manage | |
| 19:40 | #action create koha-security | |
| 19:40 | #action gmcharlt to moderate it | |
| 19:40 | err gmcharlt are you still willing to do that? | |
| 19:40 | cait | +1 |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt | slef: yes |
| 19:41 | tcohen | +1 then |
| 19:41 | thd | +1 again |
| 19:41 | ColinC | +1 |
| 19:41 | paul_p | +1 for me |
| 19:41 | Waylon | +1 |
| 19:41 | tajoli | +1 |
| 19:41 | jwagner | +1 |
| 19:42 | slef | but just to remind you I think this is a horrible idea |
| 19:42 | and does the failure to do it yet suggest it's not very important even to its supporters? | |
| 19:43 | tcohen | irc channel should serve for reporting sec vulnerabilities, but how do we manage them? |
| 19:43 | Waylon | irc channel, not the best place... logbot. |
| 19:43 | cait | tcohen: I think the question is if you want to make them public immediately or not |
| 19:43 | jwagner | tcohen, anyone can log into the IRC and anyone can see the logs. Not secure. |
| 19:43 | cait | IRC is logged |
| 19:44 | sekjal | there are also direct messages to people you trust |
| 19:44 | jwagner | slef, the off command works if every person remembers to use it every time they say something. |
| 19:44 | cait | but if you write on a page somewhere peole should report here, they will not use [off] |
| 19:44 | slef | but no, not the best way. Your support co is the best way. Failing that, the RMs |
| 19:44 | Waylon | that librarypolice log file... does not obey [off] |
| 19:44 | slef | OK, I have to go away for a bit. Thanks cait for chairing and everyone else for participating. |
| 19:44 | Waylon: tee hee | |
| 19:44 | cait | I also like he idea of the list, because more people wll get to see it |
| 19:44 | thd | tcohen: We discussed making a special mail box for reporting that would feed in to the security list. |
| 19:45 | cait | not only those online or at the other end of a pm |
| 19:45 | sekjal | I may have missed it, but did we ever discover what vulnerabilities that company that posted to the list had actually found? |
| 19:45 | tcohen | thd: ok |
| 19:45 | cait | sekjal: I think no - rangi will know. he wrote them another mail afaik |
| 19:45 | slef | sekjal: not the recent one as far as we know. |
| 19:45 | sekjal | that looked like an automated message to me |
| 19:46 | slef | spam or what? |
| 19:46 | cait | slef: thx for helping :) |
| 19:46 | paul_p | I think the idea of a dedicated mailbox filling security ML is good : otherwise someone would have to subscribe to the list & be moderated before sending his report |
| 19:46 | sekjal | either spam, or the code being run against a very limited set of standardized tests |
| 19:47 | thd | Not to speak for slef, but In case anyone missed his argument. slef favours being open about even the worst security bugs. |
| 19:47 | cait | hm ok, are we ready for a vote? |
| 19:47 | paul_p | thd, I had understood that, and disagree : full disclosure is fine, but after giving enough time to devs to provide a fix |
| 19:47 | thd | I think it is important to report all security bugs openly after people have had time to patch systems with a fix. |
| 19:48 | Waylon | for those with modified koha, who can't cope with security updates with an easy merge.. not a good idea. |
| 19:48 | thd | paul_p :) we write the same sentence. |
| 19:48 | paul_p | thd, right, but me 1st :D |
| 19:48 | thd | :) |
| 19:49 | oakivil | damn this security issues is so tricky |
| 19:49 | the more public the issues are the better fixes they get | |
| 19:50 | Waylon | vs the more possibility that they'll get used. |
| 19:50 | cait | I think we got fixes very fast in the past |
| 19:50 | oakivil | yeah |
| 19:50 | tcohen | i'd vote for a security manager (perhaps the RM) to decide when to make it public, based on work on the koha-security list |
| 19:50 | oakivil | you know better, I'm just observing :D |
| 19:50 | cait | without going full public before the patch was ready |
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| 19:50 | thd | oakvil: I think that we are mostly concerned with the scariest security issues which could cause you to loose your database for example. |
| 19:50 | cait | only my observation :) |
| 19:50 | oakivil | ok |
| 19:50 | paul_p | I think we can agree about the rule to follow |
| 19:51 | oakivil | agreed |
| 19:51 | for the scariest issues | |
| 19:51 | atleast | |
| 19:51 | thd | oakvil: There are many trivial security issues which are not scary enough to need secrecy. |
| 19:51 | oakivil | but time is running away |
| 19:52 | sekjal left #koha | |
| 19:52 | oakivil | i gotta go. Its 23:00 here and I still need to jog to clear my thoughts |
| 19:52 | cait | yes, I think we should come to ane nd |
| 19:52 | oakivil | +1 for security PM |
| 19:52 | jwagner | I need to leave as well. There was a vote -- we decided on the mailing list? |
| 19:52 | cait | can we agree to create a mailbox that feeds a mailing list? |
| 19:52 | atz_ | thd: agreed |
| 19:52 | cait | plz vote |
| 19:53 | tcohen | +1 |
| 19:53 | paul_p | cait, +1 |
| 19:53 | jwagner | +1 |
| 19:53 | cait | +1 |
| 19:53 | ColinC | +1 |
| 19:53 | Waylon | cait, +1 |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 19:53 | drojf1 | +1 |
| 19:53 | tajoli | -1 |
| 19:53 | thd | jwagner: We decided that previously as you reminded us :) |
| 19:53 | +1 | |
| 19:53 | tajoli | no - |
| 19:53 | +1 | |
| 19:53 | cait | ok |
| 19:54 | #info vote: create koha-security mailign list, fed by a mailbox | |
| 19:54 | ok, last item for today, as we have previously talked about the global sign-off day! | |
| 19:54 | please take the time to sign-off a patch! | |
| 19:54 | #topic Date and time for next meeting | |
| 19:54 | Topic for #koha is now Date and time for next meeting | |
| 19:55 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
| 19:55 | cait | any suggestions? |
| 19:55 | I am not aware of the schedule we use right now | |
| 19:55 | tcohen | two weeks? |
| 19:55 | rangi | monthly |
| 19:55 | cait | normally about 4 - once every month I think |
| 19:55 | rangi | shift time by 8 hours |
| 19:55 | cait | wb rangi |
| 19:56 | jwagner | It has normally been the first Wednesday of the month. In July, that's right on the heels of a US holiday on Monday, folks might be on vacation. |
| 19:56 | Maybe 2nd week in July? | |
| 19:56 | tcohen | are there any topics for 3.6 that need to be discussed earlier? |
| 19:56 | ricmarques | Sorry. I had to leave for a while and I have to go now. Take care! :) |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | meh, interested US parties would likely show up anyway |
| 19:57 | rangi | tcohen: those can go on koha-devel meeting is more for summary |
| 19:57 | thd | wizzyrea: Some people would prefer to show up but others may have an enforced holidy by relations whether they want one or not :) |
| 19:58 | rangi | I agree with wizzyrea |
| 19:58 | tcohen | rangi: ok |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | <laughing> i'd welcome the break from my relations </laughing> |
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| 19:58 | cait | so middle of july |
| 19:58 | paul_p | mmm... between 11th & 18th, i'll be on holiday, afk |
| 19:59 | rangi | I vote first wednesday |
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| 19:59 | wizzyrea | 6th |
| 20:00 | thd | +1 6 July |
| 20:00 | tcohen | +1 6th july |
| 20:00 | cait | wednesday, 14th july |
| 20:00 | 4 am for europe? | |
| 20:00 | 2:00 UTC? that right? | |
| 20:00 | any objections? | |
| 20:00 | 14 july 2011 02:00 UTC+0 | |
| 20:00 | ah, correction, we had 02.00 before | |
| 20:00 | so shift 8 hours the other direction | |
| 20:00 | paul_p | jul 14th KO for me |
| 20:00 | thd | 6 July is two days after the US holiday which should be enough to not miss paul_p |
| 20:01 | cait | 14 July 2011 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 20:01 | paul_p | 6th ++ |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | 6 july 2011 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 20:01 | jwagner | Gotta run, bye. |
| 20:01 | jwagner left #koha | |
| 20:01 | rangi | 6 july ++ |
| 20:02 | yep 10 utc | |
| 20:02 | Waylon | okay, thankyou all. gotta go... maybe sleep more. |
| 20:02 | Waylon left #koha | |
| 20:02 | cait | ok |
| 20:02 | #agreed next meeting is on 6 july 2011 10:00 UTC+0 | |
| 20:03 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:03 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.2.10 is the pending final release of the 3.2.x branch. Please get your patches in before 1 June for inclusion. | Next IRC meeting 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0 | http://koha-community.org/ | This channel is logged | Pastes at http://paste.koha-community.org/ | |
| 20:03 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Jun 14 20:08:04 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:03 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-06-14-18.04.html | |
| 20:03 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-06-14-18.04.txt | |
| 20:03 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]14-18.04.log.html | |
| 20:05 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 20:06 | tajoli left #koha | |
| 20:07 | rangi | ok my stop |
| 20:07 | bbiab | |
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| 20:12 | rangi | back |
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| 20:30 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6503] Variable $sth is declared 3 times (with keyword "my") in "makepayment" sub of "Accounts.pm" <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6503> |
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| 20:32 | cait | library_systems_guy: it's alive! |
| 20:32 | drojf1 | bye #koha |
| 20:33 | drojf1 left #koha | |
| 20:33 | cait | bye drojf1 :) |
| 20:33 | library_systems_guy | YAYYY |
| 20:33 | cait | library_systems_guy, Oak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpo[…]79319&postcount=5 |
| 20:33 | library_systems_guy | omg what'd you do cait |
| 20:33 | cait | I will write it down now! and save that link, that's for sure |
| 20:33 | I think I missed the chroot part all the time | |
| 20:33 | library_systems_guy | *smh* |
| 20:33 | cait | smh? |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | i kept reading his name ad "djrofl" |
| 20:34 | library_systems_guy | shaking my head |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | which kinda makes me giggle |
| 20:37 | cait | library_systems_guy++ Oak++ |
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| 20:42 | pianohacker | Hola |
| 20:42 | wahanui | hola, pianohacker |
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| 20:44 | rangi | oh for sign off day |
| 20:44 | which has started in nz | |
| 20:45 | heres a little tip | |
| 20:45 | git send-email --format-patch kc/master | |
| 20:45 | paul_p_home left #koha | |
| 20:46 | cait | I am back! :) |
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| 20:47 | cait | oh, what does that do? |
| 20:47 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 20:47 | rangi | formats and sends the patch in one go |
| 20:48 | cait | ah, you don't have to do the --format-patch step separately? |
| 20:48 | rangi | nope |
| 20:49 | cait | cool :) |
| 20:50 | I think I will catch a few hours of sleep soon | |
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| 21:08 | pianohacker | rangi++ |
| 21:08 | local git expert ftw | |
| 21:09 | rangi | eythian spotted that first |
| 21:09 | pianohacker | oh, that works too |
| 21:09 | rangi-- | |
| 21:09 | eyethian++ | |
| 21:09 | :) | |
| 21:09 | cait | hi pianohacker :) |
| 21:09 | participating in global sign off day? :) | |
| 21:09 | pianohacker | Oh, right |
| 21:10 | has that started in the us yet? | |
| 21:10 | cait | starts on 15th |
| 21:10 | not sure when that is for you :) | |
| 21:10 | slef | hi again... sort-of back |
| 21:11 | pianohacker | Heh, not for a while yet |
| 21:11 | but yeah, will be participating | |
| 21:11 | cait | cool :) |
| 21:13 | Brooke | oh no you di'int mod Chris down! |
| 21:14 | rangi++ | |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | Brooke-- |
| 21:14 | hi brooke! | |
| 21:14 | Brooke | yeah |
| 21:14 | mod me down :D | |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | gotta keep it balanced |
| 21:14 | How's it going? | |
| 21:14 | * Brooke | is gunnin for low karma. |
| 21:15 | pianohacker | @karma Brooke |
| 21:15 | huginn | pianohacker: Karma for "Brooke" has been increased 16 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 14. |
| 21:15 | pianohacker | Hey, who's this other person harassing you? |
| 21:15 | That's my job | |
| 21:15 | Brooke | heheh |
| 21:16 | * cait | hides |
| 21:16 | cait | nah, wasn't me |
| 21:17 | trttröstrssarahtt | |
| 21:19 | pianohacker | trttröstrssarahtt 'er? I hardly knew her! |
| 21:19 | Brooke | ba dum cha! |
| 21:28 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
| 21:28 | cait | ah |
| 21:28 | keyboard problems | |
| 21:28 | sorry :) | |
| 21:29 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:30 | Brooke | teh ohnoes, cait dropped from qwertytis! |
| 21:30 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 21:31 | cait | back |
| 21:31 | magnuse | yay |
| 21:32 | Brooke | welcome back |
| 21:32 | cait | now I cantype |
| 21:32 | it wouldn't let me type | |
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| 21:33 | cait | this laptop gets weirder every day |
| 21:33 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 21:34 | cait | perhaps it's angry with me... because I used it to reasearch newer models |
| 21:34 | magnuse | heh |
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| 21:35 | Brooke | clearly! |
| 21:35 | wahanui | clearly is not a task for 3.4 (april 2010) |
| 21:35 | Brooke | wahanui forget clearly |
| 21:35 | wahanui | Brooke: I forgot clearly |
| 21:35 | magnuse | rangi still around? how often does http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]i-bin/progress.pl update? |
| 21:35 | Brooke | wahanui clearly has been pushed for 3.6 |
| 21:35 | wahanui | Brooke: excuse me? |
| 21:35 | rangi | magnuse: real time |
| 21:36 | magnuse | ooh, cool, thanks |
| 21:36 | rangi | look i just signed 3 off :-) |
| 21:36 | Brooke | Ah! |
| 21:36 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ress.pl?type=json |
| 21:36 | Brooke | teh bugs! Tey are 75 when they were 66! |
| 21:36 | rangi | real time too |
| 21:36 | magnuse | cool |
| 21:36 | rangi | so you can graph it using jquery if you like |
| 21:36 | magnuse | amd what is the timezone? nz time? |
| 21:36 | rangi | utc |
| 21:37 | its already the 15th here, thats why im signing off :) | |
| 21:37 | magnuse | yay! |
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| 21:39 | cait | rangi++ |
| 21:44 | * rangi | is signing off the package ones, cos i can test them easy |
| 21:44 | Brooke | you and your flying cars! |
| 21:44 | * Brooke | shakes her fist at rangi. |
| 21:45 | Brooke | if everyone pretended to live in the opposite hemisphere, world signoff day could last 2 days ;) |
| 21:46 | rangi | is it just me thats happy about the RDA announcement? |
| 21:46 | https://twitter.com/#!/JMarkOc[…]80740601565425664 <-- exec summary | |
| 21:47 | cait | rda announcement? |
| 21:47 | rangi | http://www.rdatoolkit.org/blog/184 (links to the report and summary from there) |
| 21:47 | Brooke | yeah they had hinted at that 24 May |
| 21:48 | rangi | Most of the recommendations in the report call for changes in the current bibliographic control system that will move libraries toward this desirable future. One recommendation--3.2.5--was notable in that it called for a suspension of work underway on RDA. The Working Group suggested that further development work on Resource Description and Access (RDA) be suspended until a business case had been articulated, benefits demonstrated, and there had been |
| 21:49 | We endorse the report, with the conditions articulated by the committee. Even though there are many in the library community who would like to see a single “yes” or “no” response to the question should we implement RDA, the reality is that any standard is complicated and will take time to develop. We also recognize that the library world cannot operate in a vacuum. The entire bibliographic framework will have to change along the lines recommende | |
| 21:49 | whole thing summaries nicely as | |
| 21:49 | * Brooke | thinks of the maths is hard Barbie. |
| 21:49 | rangi | "So a definite maybe with all speed and great purpose by Jan. 2013?" - Michael Mitchell |
| 21:50 | Brooke | it's the ALA refrain - if the matter is important, stall and stall again. |
| 21:50 | magnuse | heh |
| 21:50 | cait | had been...? |
| 21:51 | magnuse | #marcmustdie |
| 21:51 | * Brooke | wants "Is MARC lying by my side yet?" on her headstone. |
| 21:51 | rangi | yeah the bit im happy about is |
| 21:51 | we dont want RDA if it includes MARC | |
| 21:51 | magnuse | yeah! |
| 21:51 | rangi | i can live with that |
| 21:56 | Brooke | right, dinnah! |
| 21:56 | magnuse | "Many survey respondents expressed doubt that RDA changes would yield significant benefits without a change to the underlying MARC carrier. Most felt any benefits of RDA would be largely unrealized in a MARC environment. MARC may hinder the separation of elements and ability to use URIs in a linked data environment." yay! |
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| 21:56 | rangi | magnuse: yeah thats the bit i liked |
| 21:56 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6485] Checkout slip should be more informative, especially for single-library catalogs <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6485> |
| 21:57 | magnuse | i can haz koha with linked datas, ploise? |
| 21:57 | ;-) | |
| 21:57 | rangi | id push that patch magnuse |
| 21:57 | :) | |
| 21:58 | cait | hm |
| 21:58 | magnuse | i'll see what i can do, rangi ;-) |
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| 22:01 | magnuse | nah, definitely wont be me doing that... |
| 22:01 | would be a cool research project for the right person though | |
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| 22:02 | SpaceLibrarian_home | o/ |
| 22:02 | magnuse | \o |
| 22:02 | rangi | heya voiceless SpaceLibrarian_home |
| 22:02 | SpaceLibrarian_home | :) I have to resort to computer-talk. :P |
| 22:03 | and tea... | |
| 22:04 | rangi | i normally talk to you on irc even tho you sit 4 metres away from me anyway |
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| 22:06 | SpaceLibrarian_home | this is very true... :) |
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| 22:14 | magnuse | time to sleep a little before starting the signoff-fest! |
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| 22:23 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]06-15#Claim_a_bug.21 |
| 22:23 | thats 6 done | |
| 22:23 | probably all i have time for today, have to get ready for a demo tomorrow and do some other client work, i might try some more this evening | |
| 22:24 | cait | ioh |
| 22:24 | oh | |
| 22:24 | there are colors | |
| 22:24 | so magnuse added some template magic? | |
| 22:24 | magnuse is now known as magnus_away | |
| 22:25 | rangi | who knows |
| 22:25 | i just edit the table | |
| 22:25 | its very cool though | |
| 22:26 | cait | it's a very good start |
| 22:26 | thx rangi! | |
| 22:26 | eythian | SpaceLibrarian_home: I'm blaming you for this not-quite-bad-enough-to-stay home sore throat thing I've got, just so you know :) |
| 22:26 | cait | I will start in th emorning - it's not 15th here yet :) |
| 22:26 | eythian | living in the past... |
| 22:26 | cait | poor eythian |
| 22:26 | SpaceLibrarian_home | eythian: moi? I thought you were feeling poorly before i was... |
| 22:26 | cait | go and sign-off onsomething... thatwill make you feel better |
| 22:27 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | gives cait another cookie. :) |
| 22:27 | eythian | SpaceLibrarian_home: don't bring causality into this! |
| 22:27 | SpaceLibrarian_home | you started it! |
| 22:27 | eythian | you started it second! |
| 22:27 | SpaceLibrarian_home | meh. chicken. egg.... |
| 22:27 | eythian | rooster. |
| 22:28 | SpaceLibrarian_home | pukeko |
| 22:28 | eythian | cait: I'll try, however I have a go-live on Friday that I just got the data for, so I'll have to see how that goes :) |
| 22:28 | ohh. | |
| 22:28 | got me there. | |
| 22:28 | tricksy! | |
| 22:28 | * SpaceLibrarian_home | was scraping at straws |
| 22:28 | library_systems_guy | live on friday eythian? |
| 22:29 | cait | thx SpaceLibrarian_home :) |
| 22:29 | eythian | library_systems_guy: yeah. |
| 22:29 | SpaceLibrarian_home | he's been doing an awesome job migration 2 platforms onto 1 system |
| 22:29 | migrating* | |
| 22:29 | library_systems_guy | good luck :) |
| 22:29 | eythian | chur :) |
| 22:29 | library_systems_guy | we are going live soon so im always curious to see how it goes |
| 22:30 | eythian | By the time of the actual go-live, there's been so much prep done that it's usually pretty smooth. |
| 22:30 | library_systems_guy | lol true true |
| 22:30 | did you guys freeze your current catalog a long time before release | |
| 22:31 | eythian | it froze today |
| 22:31 | library_systems_guy | what were you using before? |
| 22:31 | SpaceLibrarian_home | eythian: have they sent it to you yet? |
| 22:31 | rangi | library_systems_guy: we are a support company, not the people going live :-) |
| 22:31 | library_systems_guy | sorry I don't mean to play 20 questions |
| 22:32 | eythian | they (the people I'm setting up Koha for) were using Liberty and a bespoke app. |
| 22:32 | SpaceLibrarian_home: yarp, it arrived this morning | |
| 22:32 | library_systems_guy | *smh* oops |
| 22:32 | * library_systems_guy | turns red |
| 22:32 | eythian | heh |
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| 22:32 | rangi | library_systems_guy: so we have done this a few times now :) |
| 22:33 | library_systems_guy | lol i didn't know who eythian was |
| 22:33 | eythian | hehe |
| 22:33 | library_systems_guy | yeah rangi i suppose you have hehe |
| 22:33 | SpaceLibrarian_home | lol. |
| 22:33 | eythian: excellent! :) | |
| 22:35 | eythian | yeah. Haven't looked at it, but if they've followed instructions it should be fine. I put the odds of that at about 50/50 ;) |
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| 22:39 | eythian | http://www.audible.com/pd?asin=B00551W570 <-- rangi |
| 22:43 | rangi | ah yep seen that ;) |
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| 22:44 | rangi | excellent eh |
| 22:44 | eythian | but have you heard the Samuel L. Jackson version? :) |
| 22:44 | or, narration rather. | |
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| 22:46 | rangi | downloading it now |
| 22:48 | http://blog.esilibrary.com/201[…]ting-on-a-server/ | |
| 23:07 | cait | good night all :) |
| 23:08 | rangi | night cait |
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| 23:11 | eythian | they're slightly wrong I think, apache2-mpm-itk is pretty much -prefork with the user stuff rolled in. |
| 23:12 | actually, I'm more commenting on the linked IRC log I just realised. | |
| 23:13 | rangi | heh |
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| 23:18 | eythian | OK, at first glance, it looks my 50/50 odds above were unfounded. Both sources appear to have got the data export right :) |
| 23:19 | rangi | w00t |
| 23:22 | * eythian | puts on some loud Latin/medieval German music and gets to work transmogrifying data. |
| 23:24 | eythian | http://grooveshark.com/album/Q[…]nd+Isolde/1629920 <-- (specifically) |
| 23:34 | pianohacker | bye for now |
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