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| 00:30 | rangi | hi brendan_ |
| 00:45 | chris_n | heya brendan_ |
| 00:45 | wahanui | brendan_ is a big fan of koha or the best boss evar! |
| 00:45 | rangi | heh |
| 00:47 | chris_n | both? |
| 00:47 | wahanui | well, both is best |
| 00:47 | chris_n | snap |
| 00:48 | bots on a roll tonight | |
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| 01:20 | brendan_ | heya all |
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| 03:01 | Waylon | Hello all! |
| 03:03 | to unlog a comment, one uses [off] at the start? or (off)? | |
| 03:03 | eythian | Waylon: [off] |
| 03:03 | I think | |
| 03:04 | at least, that's what people seem to use :) | |
| 03:04 | Waylon | yup... just checked my log... |
| 03:04 | okay.. | |
| 03:07 | So, i ask... Have we done enough to project the open-source message? | |
| 03:08 | ibeardslee | you seemed to have missed some of your previous comment? |
| 03:09 | Waylon | what was the last few words of it? maybe irc has a character limit.. |
| 03:09 | ibeardslee | "..we have develo" |
| 03:09 | Waylon | ah.. |
| 03:09 | mtj | "and we have develo…." |
| 03:11 | Waylon | That came through correctly this time? |
| 03:11 | ibeardslee | "..convince them." is the end of it? |
| 03:12 | mtj | if people/companies dont get it, don't do business with them |
| 03:12 | ibeardslee | open source means you can build on what other's have done |
| 03:12 | if you built a new system from scratch it would cost mega$$ to get to the level that koha is | |
| 03:13 | 1000s of developer days have already gone into koha, are they going to want to pay for a new system from scratch | |
| 03:14 | open source is strong and solid partly because different people are working through the system | |
| 03:14 | building improving code | |
| 03:15 | Waylon | So im wondering... why this perception in the scientifiic and university sectors? |
| 03:15 | eythian | Waylon: it's not here. |
| 03:15 | ibeardslee | heh .. I second guess propietory software |
| 03:15 | eythian | Waylon: at least, where I've seen it |
| 03:16 | Waylon | Yes,the company i do work for, has Arabic sector clients. |
| 03:16 | .. sector.. origin... | |
| 03:17 | eythian | ah right. Maybe they just need to be re-educated somehow |
| 03:17 | * ibeardslee | was just going to suggest that with Waylon connecting to irc via a .nz address, we could arrange a discussion with rangi? |
| 03:18 | eythian | ibeardslee: or, like, the whole country :) |
| 03:18 | *company | |
| 03:18 | ibeardslee | rangi and Waylon's boss? |
| 03:18 | Waylon | Yes, i do talk with rangi often. |
| 03:18 | eythian | huh? |
| 03:18 | oh | |
| 03:19 | yeah | |
| 03:19 | * Waylon | is genji... "But i noticed people using their actual names here frequiently.." |
| 03:19 | Waylon | So... decided.. hey, why not. |
| 03:19 | Though.... Catalyst has a new name policy? | |
| 03:19 | ibeardslee | to help explain why being opensource should be a selling point |
| 03:20 | eythian | Waylon: catalyst has no name policy |
| 03:20 | mtj | avoid clients that are *ashamed* of running Koha, i say... |
| 03:20 | eythian | we changed when the IRC server changed, as we were already using it there for other things |
| 03:22 | Waylon | Ahh. |
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| 03:24 | space_librarian | must be Friday... even my IRC client wants a weekend. :) |
| 03:26 | eythian | space_librarian: don't look at my desk now |
| 03:27 | space_librarian | dammit! |
| 03:27 | Waylon | damn, "Arab opensource advancement foundation", http://www.aosaf.org .... hacked by a hacking crew... the type to burn and gloat. |
| 03:27 | space_librarian | I shoudn't have looked. ;) |
| 03:27 | eythian | Waylon: <META content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0" name=GENERATOR> just makes it sadder still :( |
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| 03:28 | ibeardslee | haha |
| 03:28 | I mean damn | |
| 03:28 | Waylon | aosaf.net, shows a empty page... |
| 03:29 | their facebook.. has three messages, one of them is spam. | |
| 03:29 | there are no admins left in the facebook group. | |
| 03:41 | rangi | thats actually pretty hard to do |
| 03:41 | Waylon | so.. i ask... does koha have a standardised place for error messages? |
| 03:41 | rangi | yep |
| 03:42 | the more you do this, the more you fork and make upgrading more and more difficult | |
| 03:42 | Waylon | yeah... |
| 03:42 | rangi | and therefore you become less and less secure |
| 03:42 | and you might get hacked in the future ... oh wait ;) | |
| 03:42 | Waylon | Yah.. poor arabic opensource foundation. |
| 03:43 | rangi | http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar[…]s_open_source.php |
| 03:44 | i can find thousands of those | |
| 03:44 | i suspect combating the ignorance | |
| 03:44 | is better than obfusticating hte url ;) | |
| 03:45 | on to much cooler issues | |
| 03:45 | AmitG | heya chris, |
| 03:45 | rangi | http://theory.github.com/mytap/ |
| 03:45 | AmitG | heya rangi |
| 03:45 | rangi | now there is no excuse for not writing unit tests |
| 03:46 | Waylon: http://blip.tv/file/4411674/ | |
| 03:49 | Waylon | oh, boss is already convinced... |
| 03:49 | but uni's and scientific institutions.. they're a harder nut. | |
| 03:49 | rangi | yep so maybe a page on the site, explaining why |
| 03:49 | its a more sustainable approach | |
| 03:49 | Waylon | research grants and academic scholarships and financing.. thats their world. |
| 03:50 | rangi | koha was the second most installed library system in both public and academic libraries in the US in 2010 |
| 03:50 | Waylon | woo! |
| 03:50 | rangi | beating the big companies, like sirsidynix, exlibris etc |
| 03:51 | over 1200 libraries around the world run it | |
| 03:51 | from wellington theosophical society :) to delhi public | |
| 03:51 | the UN uses it, for 3 organisations | |
| 03:52 | UNIDO, UN FAO and WIPO | |
| 03:52 | jcamins_away | Ooh, which 3 organizations? |
| 03:52 | Thanks. | |
| 03:52 | That's really cool! | |
| 03:52 | rangi | venezualan national library, with 7 million bibliographic records |
| 03:53 | most of the philipines do | |
| 03:53 | http://www.philstar.com/Articl[…]SubCategoryId=473 | |
| 03:53 | all the schools in Prince Edward Island in canada do | |
| 03:53 | info like that, might make the uni and scientific institutions wake up ;-) | |
| 03:54 | http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha <-- thats just the ones who have entered themselves and their coordinates into libwebcats | |
| 03:55 | eythian | and it's slowly taking over the NZ government ;) |
| 03:58 | rangi | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=15611 <-- not free |
| 03:59 | jcamins_away | Did we hear about their attempt to migrate to Koha, or was it so painless that they didn't run into any problems that required help? |
| 04:00 | rangi | exactly |
| 04:00 | they did it all in house | |
| 04:01 | * jcamins_away | did a migration in-house, and goodness knows y'all heard from me a lot. |
| 04:01 | rangi | heh |
| 04:03 | * jcamins_away | chooses to believe that this is perceived as a good thing. ;) |
| 04:06 | jcamins_away | Hey, if anyone sees marcelr, tell him that bug 3072 is ready for sign-off with DOM. |
| 04:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE |
| 04:06 | jcamins_away | I already left a message with huginn, but just in case someone else sees him. |
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| 05:18 | cait | hi #koha |
| 05:19 | space_librarian | hey cait! |
| 05:20 | cait | hi space_librarian |
| 05:20 | :) | |
| 05:33 | AmitG | heya cait, space_librarian |
| 05:33 | cait | morning AmitG |
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| 05:56 | adnc | ./translate install de-DE |
| 05:56 | Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23. | |
| 05:56 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23. | |
| 05:56 | Compilation failed in require at ./translate line 25. | |
| 05:56 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./translate line 25 | |
| 05:57 | hello, i was trying to add german to the koha backend. unfortunately I'm getting this error | |
| 05:57 | cait | Umgebungsvariablen exportieren |
| 05:57 | adnc | cait, morgen. welche denn? |
| 05:57 | cait | und dann einfach nochmal laufen lassen |
| 05:57 | PERL5LIB und... die andere | |
| 05:57 | adnc | aber dafür müsste ich wissen womit die variablen gefüllt werden müssen |
| 05:57 | cait | beimir sieht das so aus: |
| 05:58 | export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone | |
| 05:58 | adnc | es ist eine debian installation hier |
| 05:58 | cait | die pfade bei dir sind vermutlich etwas anders, evtl. steht es auch irgendwo in der doku |
| 05:58 | die pfade hängen mehr von der installationsart ab, denke ich. das ist eine dev Installation | |
| 06:00 | adnc | z.b. KOHA_CONF, ich habe zwar nur eine Instanz, aber womit wird die Variable gesetzt, wenn es mehrere Instanzen gibt und somit mehrere koha-conf.xml? |
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| 06:05 | adnc | cait, ich habe sie einfach auf meine bestehende koha-conf.xml gesetzt und auf /usr/shre/koha/lib das scheint zu gehen |
| 06:05 | cait | ich glaub edann gibt es unterschiedliche benutzer |
| 06:10 | adnc | wo legt man dann die sprache für die admin oberflaeche fest, installiert ist sie |
| 06:10 | cait | in den systemparametern |
| 06:10 | such nach lang | |
| 06:11 | adnc | da habe ich deutsch markiert |
| 06:11 | aber immernoch englisch | |
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| 06:13 | kmkale | Namaskar #koha |
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| 06:15 | cait | schalte die sprachauswahl ein |
| 06:15 | das ist einer der parameter der auftaucht wenn man nach lang sucht | |
| 06:15 | dann kann man unten am bildschirmrand die sprache umschalten | |
| 06:15 | hi kmkale :) | |
| 06:16 | kmkale | hi cait |
| 06:16 | cait: ^^ ?? | |
| 06:16 | wahanui | well, ^^ is always wizzyrea's concern, weird stuff could happen |
| 06:16 | kmkale | hah |
| 06:16 | cait | hm? |
| 06:17 | was speaking German to adnc - about how to install languages and activate the | |
| 06:17 | m | |
| 06:17 | adnc | cait, i deleted the cache of my browser, that helped. now wonderfull german |
| 06:17 | kmkale | aahh |
| 06:17 | cait | don't know if it's wonderful |
| 06:18 | adnc | it is |
| 06:18 | cait | there will be a lot missing - the new version has a lot of new things to translate |
| 06:18 | adnc | still german is a nice language |
| 06:18 | cait | http://translate.koha-community.org/de/ |
| 06:20 | fredericd | guten morgen alle zusammen |
| 06:23 | adnc | guten morgen |
| 06:24 | where can one add tags? is this something that needs to be done for every book, or is this a matter of the opac user? | |
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| 06:26 | fredericd | Tags are added by users on OPAC. You configure tagging persmissions with various sysprefs |
| 06:26 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]=c18#taggingprefs | |
| 06:28 | adnc | 08:30:02-15/04 zebraidx(4772) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) |
| 06:29 | i got this per mail | |
| 06:31 | cait | hm, not sure about that, it's one of mine. but never had problems with it |
| 06:31 | fredericd: did you get my message? | |
| 06:32 | fredericd | cait: yes, just now. I've added some new permission to you. Confirm me it works as expected. |
| 06:33 | cait | fredericd: I see the buttons now, but can't press them |
| 06:33 | looking at the 3.4 opac file | |
| 06:34 | fredericd | Could you describe step by step how to reproducte the bug? |
| 06:35 | cait | I go to german, 3.4, review tab, klick on review suggestions on top of the opac entry |
| 06:35 | there is a suggestion from beda waiting | |
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| 06:41 | cait | ok, have to run, ttyl |
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| 06:50 | magnuse | Waylon: [off] is the one! |
| 06:50 | Waylon | rather slow. :) |
| 06:50 | hehe.. hiya! | |
| 06:50 | finally caught up? | |
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| 06:56 | adnc | every five minutes i'm getting this warning 08:55:02-15/04 zebraidx(5218) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) |
| 06:56 | is this the indexing service and why is it warning? | |
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| 07:01 | francharb | hello #koha |
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| 07:03 | julian | hello #koha ! |
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| 07:10 | AmitG | hi hdl, julian |
| 07:10 | hdl | hi AmitG |
| 07:14 | adnc | is it possible to add fast marc framework after installation? |
| 07:15 | hdl | adnc: yep |
| 07:15 | adnc | hdl, where can i do this |
| 07:15 | hdl | you can take the installer/data/mysql/en/... |
| 07:15 | fastadd.sql | |
| 07:15 | adnc | mhh |
| 07:16 | i don't understand | |
| 07:16 | hdl | you can use mysql koha -u kohaadmin -p <fastadd.sql |
| 07:16 | adnc | ahh, but where do i find fastadd.sql |
| 07:16 | hdl | ./installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_fastadd_framework.sql |
| 07:17 | mtj | ./installer/data/mysql/en/fastadd.sql |
| 07:17 | hdl | it is in the code |
| 07:18 | adnc | i just see that I do have this file for different languages |
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| 07:32 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:32 | AmitG | heya kf |
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| 07:53 | kf | hi AmitG |
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| 08:25 | Oak | \o |
| 08:26 | magnuse | o/ |
| 08:27 | kf | hi Oak and magnuse |
| 08:28 | Oak | hi kf |
| 08:28 | hi magnuse | |
| 08:28 | :) | |
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| 08:43 | kf | hi hdl1 |
| 08:43 | Oak | he did'nt wave |
| 08:43 | hdl1 | hi kf |
| 08:43 | kf | hm? |
| 08:45 | Oak | nothing |
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| 09:46 | sunitab | i am getting an error in zebradaemon output as zebrasrv(2) [warn] Index 'Record-control-number' not found in attset(s) i am not able to do any searches in z39.50 hw to sort out this problem |
| 09:50 | AmitG | heya sunitab |
| 09:51 | hdl | hi sunitab |
| 09:51 | sunitab | yes |
| 09:51 | AmitG | sunitab r u from NCRA |
| 09:51 | hdl | is it for z3950 ? |
| 09:52 | sunitab | yes |
| 09:52 | yes it is from z3950 | |
| 09:52 | the above line is log from zebradaemon-output-log | |
| 09:53 | when i try to search for z3950 search i dont get any results | |
| 09:59 | kf | I am not sure those are related |
| 10:00 | record-control-number is an index in koha, not used in the 29.50 search options | |
| 10:00 | sunitab | ok |
| 10:00 | kf | hm, which version are you using? |
| 10:00 | sunitab | 3.2.6 |
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| 10:23 | adnc | i just see that koha has a problem when searching titles. for example lowercasing capital İ (turkish i). |
| 10:23 | it does not find the entries which start with a capital İ if you do search with a lower i | |
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| 10:35 | kf | sunitab: very confusing! Record-control-number should not exist in this version |
| 10:35 | it's a new featuer I wrote for 3.4 | |
| 10:35 | adnc: do you have a lot of diacritica like that in your data? | |
| 10:36 | adnc | kf, there will be yes |
| 10:36 | kf | there are ways to solve that, we have a library with hebrew that works good |
| 10:36 | adnc | ahh |
| 10:36 | kf | hm. icu could be a solution then, it's another form of indexing |
| 10:36 | adnc | but do hebrew have lowercase and uppercase |
| 10:37 | kf | I think the problem is not the lower/upper probably, but the character |
| 10:37 | do you see similar probles with other capitel/lower case characters from the 'normal' alphabet? | |
| 10:38 | adnc | no, actually not. let me test some more cases |
| 10:38 | kf | afk, will beb ack |
| 10:38 | adnc | it finds the rest very well |
| 10:38 | even with those characters | |
| 10:39 | the problem occurse only when converting from lower to upper or visa versa | |
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| 10:51 | conan | hi everyone |
| 10:56 | AmitG | heya conan |
| 10:58 | conan | AmitG: channel kind of quiet today |
| 10:58 | maybe everybody have their minds on the weekend already | |
| 10:58 | AmitG | hmm |
| 10:59 | conan: r u from ? | |
| 11:00 | conan | Argentina, you? |
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| 11:01 | kf_mtg | adnc++ for bug reporting |
| 11:01 | adnc | ohh |
| 11:01 | Ö) | |
| 11:03 | conan | kf_mtg: hello there, yesterday you told me about the translator script, but I think I was talking about two different things |
| 11:03 | on one side I got the webinstaller not showing all the possible options in the deployable menu, the first screen | |
| 11:04 | on the other I was talking with cohen about making an es-ES subdir | |
| 11:04 | kf_mtg | yes |
| 11:04 | thosee are connected | |
| 11:04 | conan | so I didn't got clear what was tranlate about |
| 11:04 | I guess | |
| 11:04 | kf_mtg | you want to add es-ES sample files I guess? |
| 11:04 | frameworks, authorized value lists and such? | |
| 11:05 | conan | I want both, but first I want the deployable menu showing all the options available, I wanna try and see a french installation for example |
| 11:05 | exaclty | |
| 11:05 | kf_mtg | tcohen and me were telling you the same thing I think :) |
| 11:05 | conan | but this is what I don't get: |
| 11:06 | from the point of view of an end user: do I need to run some hidden script to make other languages options appear? | |
| 11:09 | I mean, is that a feature that the only option is english without running a script, or did I stomp into a bug? | |
| 11:10 | kf_mtg | no bug |
| 11:10 | not a real feature though | |
| 11:10 | ok, are we talking about the webinstaller or opac/intranet? | |
| 11:10 | conan | webinstaller |
| 11:10 | kf_mtg | ok |
| 11:10 | it depends how you install koha. there are bigger tarballs of stable releases that already include the installed languages. | |
| 11:11 | conan | ah... |
| 11:11 | kf_mtg | and there are dev installs, installs from git, packages etc. - there you have to run a script first |
| 11:11 | conan | no, I'm doing git installations |
| 11:11 | kf_mtg | ok |
| 11:11 | it's really not a big thing | |
| 11:11 | after you have run the make process and before you login for the webinstaller | |
| 11:11 | export your environment variables like koha tells you (PERL5LIB and the other I always forget) | |
| 11:12 | conan | the conf one |
| 11:12 | kf_mtg | yep :) |
| 11:12 | and then go to misc/translator | |
| 11:12 | conan | I made a script for that, I forget too |
| 11:12 | kf_mtg | and do perl translate install <language-code> |
| 11:12 | for German I do perl translate install de-DE | |
| 11:13 | it will generate all the template files from the po file with the trnaslations, after that the pull down in the web installer will show you the installed language | |
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| 11:13 | conan | ah... |
| 11:13 | cool, so it was the same thing then! | |
| 11:13 | kf_mtg | because the template files for the web installer are not there before that |
| 11:14 | conan | if I do for a non-existant language it will generate the stuff the same, but it will not be translated |
| 11:14 | kf_mtg | and when you choose another language than english it will look for sample files in the directory, I think it will offer the english sample files when nothing is found there |
| 11:14 | conan | or maybe using 'create' first |
| 11:14 | kf_mtg | hm, probably, if there is no po file it will fail or generate untranslated templates |
| 11:14 | conan | ok then, I'll try it now |
| 11:14 | kf_mtg | ok |
| 11:15 | I have a meeting in 15 minutes, will be back later today | |
| 11:15 | conan | but the 'create' parameters probably generates them? |
| 11:15 | I just started my working day, so we will meet again | |
| 11:15 | thanks | |
| 11:15 | kf_mtg | conan: hm, I wonder - what new language do you need? |
| 11:16 | and is it already set up on pootle? | |
| 11:16 | conan | es-ES |
| 11:16 | cohen told me yesterday there is some guy working on that | |
| 11:16 | I wrote him, but haven't received any reply so far | |
| 11:16 | kf_mtg | what does es-ES translate to? :) |
| 11:16 | conan | erm... Spanish |
| 11:16 | kf_mtg | ah |
| 11:16 | that looks good to me | |
| 11:16 | I think you should already have a po file for that in your koha | |
| 11:17 | check misc/translator/po | |
| 11:17 | conan | my first task here was to add some authorised values, they were translations of stuff already there |
| 11:17 | kf_mtg | http://translate.koha-community.org/es/ |
| 11:17 | conan | so I think this approach is better |
| 11:17 | it will be there for others to use | |
| 11:17 | kf_mtg | yep, but you can use the existing language |
| 11:17 | so you don#t have to run the create, run the install | |
| 11:18 | to get the templates translated | |
| 11:18 | conan | but there is no es-ES under installer/date/mysql/... |
| 11:18 | kf_mtg | to get sample files you will have to add the directory - yes |
| 11:18 | the problem is: in order to get your sample files into the web installer you need to install the language | |
| 11:19 | you were asking yesterday what else is needed than adding the directory | |
| 11:19 | for the beginning you can just create your new directory in installer/data... and copy over the english files | |
| 11:19 | and then translate them bit by bit | |
| 11:20 | the files are not touched by the template translation process, you will have to do it manually | |
| 11:20 | and to test them you have to run the translation script - so they show up in the web installer | |
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| 11:20 | conan | yeah, probably I was asking the wrong questions yesterday, I was working on bug 6175 when I stomp into the language files, I wasn't looking for them, but now I realize it's all related |
| 11:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6175 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Mismatch between marc_subfield_structure and authorised_values tables |
| 11:20 | druthb | o/ |
| 11:21 | kf_mtg | hi druthb :) |
| 11:21 | conan | kf_mtg: I get it, translate is for the HTML templates and sql scripts are for the data |
| 11:21 | druthb | :) |
| 11:22 | kf_mtg | exactly! :) |
| 11:22 | and to make it work for the webinstaller you need both :) | |
| 11:29 | ok, really gone now | |
| 11:29 | bbl | |
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| 11:34 | AmitG | heya jwagner |
| 11:34 | jwagner | Hi AmitG |
| 11:38 | magnuse | o/ |
| 11:39 | AmitG | heya magnuse |
| 11:41 | magnuse | hiya AmitG |
| 11:41 | adnc | does someone know what exactly marc 040 c is? |
| 11:42 | jcamins_away | Entering institution. |
| 11:42 | magnuse | @marc 040 |
| 11:42 | huginn | magnuse: The MARC code for or the name of the organization(s) that created the original bibliographic record, assigned MARC content designation and transcribed the record into machine-readable form, or modified (except for the addition of holdings symbols) an existing MARC record. These data and the code in 008/39 (Cataloging source) specify the parties responsible for the bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,6,8] |
| 11:42 | jwagner | adnc, it's a $#*& nuisance as far as I'm concerned. Having it marked mandatory is a real pain. |
| 11:43 | jcamins_away | Set a default in your frameworks. |
| 11:43 | It's required for any sort of data interchange. | |
| 11:43 | adnc | ahh |
| 11:44 | if I'm doing the catalogin. how woul i write that | |
| 11:44 | simply my nme | |
| 11:44 | jcamins_away | You'd probably want to get a symbol from your national library. |
| 11:44 | Entering your name would be a good start, though. | |
| 11:46 | That reminds me, I have to update my code. | |
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| 11:50 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6195] manage tab in opac on serials <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6195> |
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| 12:13 | Brooke_ | kia ora! |
| 12:14 | magnuse | kia ora Brooke_ |
| 12:15 | Brooke_ | Hei :D |
| 12:15 | magnuse | Hallo! :-D |
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| 12:19 | Brooke_ | o/ |
| 12:19 | busy da, 10 o'clock! | |
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| 12:56 | Brooke_ | 0/ |
| 12:57 | tcohen | hi #koha |
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| 13:21 | conan | tcohen: hi there |
| 13:22 | tcohen: I was able to test today a spanish installation | |
| 13:22 | Brooke_ | awesome :D |
| 13:22 | tcohen | conan: genial |
| 13:22 | conan | however I found that we got translated .tmpl in 3.2.6 but the .tt+.xml in master are in english |
| 13:22 | what does that mean? | |
| 13:23 | tcohen | master -> 3.4, right? |
| 13:23 | conan | tcohen: yeah, 3.3 in fact |
| 13:25 | tcohen | i mean, you translated a 3.2.6 instance, what does it have to do with a copy of master you have? |
| 13:26 | you mean you've tried the translation scripts in master with the same .po files and didn't success? | |
| 13:27 | conan | tcohen: we have a production installation, which I haven't touched, it was already there when I came |
| 13:27 | tcohen | again: what you mean by '...in master are in english'? |
| 13:27 | conan | and I made a master spanish install today |
| 13:28 | when we check the UI, I see the old has the value_builder scripts translated | |
| 13:28 | but my installation doesn't | |
| 13:28 | mine is using tt+xml while the old one is using .tmpl | |
| 13:28 | so I guess this has to do with the move to Template::Tollkit | |
| 13:29 | tcohen | I think we're just in the string freeze period so there aren't .po files for tt yet |
| 13:29 | conan | and the question is, what should I do to make the value_builder scripts appear translated |
| 13:30 | ah, and who is working on that? should be us? the interested people ;) | |
| 13:30 | tcohen | i told who was working on that |
| 13:30 | magnuse | as far as i have understood it should be possible to use the same .po files for both .tmpl and .tt |
| 13:31 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6194] Empty Parens on Serials pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6194> |
| 13:31 | conan | tcohen: bernardo hasn't replied to me yet |
| 13:31 | tcohen | when we reach string freeze, then translators can start their work |
| 13:31 | conan | I sent him a spanish mail today, does he work near you? |
| 13:32 | tcohen | then wait for him to answer, he works here at UNC |
| 13:32 | conan | yes, Martin told me |
| 13:33 | tcohen | but i don't work with him on a daily basis |
| 13:33 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 13:33 | conan | gmcharlt: good indeed |
| 13:33 | druthb | Hi, gmcharlt! |
| 13:34 | tcohen | good morning gmcharlt |
| 13:35 | magnuse | conan, tcohen: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/001515.html |
| 13:35 | conan | tcohen: en install has all .tt files, french install has both .tmpl and tt+xml, and es install has .tt but the strings appear in english, is strange |
| 13:35 | magnuse | "You can start translating!" |
| 13:35 | tcohen | conan: it is not, indeed |
| 13:37 | strings that are not translated will appear in english I guess, as it s the primary language which trnaslations are based on | |
| 13:37 | conan | magnuse: I've checked a little bit earlier. Do you think the fact that translation is not complete is what is preventing them to appear? |
| 13:37 | like 'we wont put anything parcial' | |
| 13:38 | tcohen: yes, but recall I have a 3.2.1 installation that already has the translations | |
| 13:38 | that's what I don't get, why have we lost previous translations, the ones that are already made | |
| 13:38 | magnuse | nope, no partial translations are "accepted" |
| 13:38 | tcohen | conan: of course, as there where .po files prepared for that release |
| 13:38 | conan | ah... |
| 13:39 | ok, now I understand | |
| 13:39 | magnuse | sorry: partial translations *are* "accepted" |
| 13:39 | tcohen | conan: people code, reach some point, we have a 'string freeze', people prepare .po files for that set of strings and then release with the .po for that release |
| 13:40 | so, between major releases you would find that translations are not complete, or available | |
| 13:40 | until the release comes | |
| 13:41 | i'll back to kdevelop to do other stuff, bye | |
| 13:42 | conan | see you |
| 13:43 | tcohen | what's the time in wellington? |
| 13:43 | is rangi there? | |
| 13:43 | wizzyrea | early in the morning |
| 13:43 | yep | |
| 13:43 | lessee | |
| 13:43 | 1:45am | |
| 13:44 | tcohen | thanks wizzyrea |
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| 13:46 | Brooke_ | 0/ |
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| 13:56 | Brooke_ | 0/ |
| 13:56 | magnuse | \o |
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| 14:05 | tcohen_rebase_-i | question: is there a reason for a 30 char limit for itemcallnumber? |
| 14:06 | wizzyrea | call numbers over 30 characters won't fit on a spine label? :P |
| 14:06 | (im not really serious, but it does seem like it might not fit so well :P) | |
| 14:06 | (it's a joke) | |
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| 14:14 | nengard | morning #koha - i'm training a new library and i have a question |
| 14:14 | wizzyrea | go :) |
| 14:15 | nengard | wizzyrea just got your message - and you can submit a patch anytime :) hehe |
| 14:15 | okay question is this | |
| 14:15 | they have rebased but they're not being prompted to update | |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | ;) |
| 14:15 | nengard | their version is wrong |
| 14:15 | i know i had this issue before and there was some git magic | |
| 14:15 | but i don't know what i did :) | |
| 14:17 | wizzyrea | and they're on their rebased branch? |
| 14:17 | nengard | yes |
| 14:17 | just did a rebase a second abot | |
| 14:17 | oleonard | manually set back the version number in system preferences? That should trigger the update database process |
| 14:17 | nengard | ago |
| 14:17 | the version number is set to 3.03.032 | |
| 14:17 | so it is back | |
| 14:17 | what was the url for the old sys prefs editor? | |
| 14:18 | oleonard | The "Local use" tab |
| 14:19 | mtj | nengard: what version are you expecting them to upgrade too? |
| 14:19 | nengard | master |
| 14:20 | we're testing | |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | so something in the 50's |
| 14:20 | 52 is from yesterday | |
| 14:21 | nengard | right |
| 14:21 | magnuse | what does kohaversion.pl say? it had XXX in it some time yesterday |
| 14:21 | nengard | i just manually changed the version sys pref and it updated only to 032 ... i'm confused |
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| 14:21 | nengard | hang on here comes the library systems guy |
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| 14:22 | library_systems_guy | hey guys |
| 14:22 | wizzyrea | apt name :) |
| 14:22 | library_systems_guy | here is the git repo i checked out from |
| 14:22 | git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git | |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | ok, and you're tracking origin/master |
| 14:23 | ? | |
| 14:23 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git | |
| 14:23 | is really my go to reference for stuff like this | |
| 14:24 | library_systems_guy | when i was doing a rebase is said origin master so I'm pretty sure i was |
| 14:24 | mtj | fyi: yr version value in yr db, should be '3.0300030' |
| 14:24 | nengard | i had him to a git fetch and rebase this morning |
| 14:24 | mtj | rather than '3.03.00.030' |
| 14:25 | ie: watch the '.'s | |
| 14:25 | nengard | yup, that's what i put in the sys pref box |
| 14:25 | library_systems_guy is mumbling about finding something | |
| 14:25 | :) | |
| 14:26 | library_systems_guy | one sec...verifying i took the right steps in the wiki |
| 14:27 | hdl1 | gmcharlt: nengard do you kow any open ils-di service that I could test against say a vufind instance or else... It is to check ils-di implementation in Koha. |
| 14:28 | mtj | that the db version only likes *1* period, but elsewhere *4* periods are the norm, is a gotcha for most |
| 14:28 | gmcharlt | hdl1: provider or conumer? |
| 14:28 | hdl1 is now known as hdl | |
| 14:28 | hdl | provider |
| 14:28 | mtj | oops, s/4/3/ |
| 14:29 | library_systems_guy | ok verified, took the right steps during setup |
| 14:29 | phew | |
| 14:30 | nengard | so we need a way to get it to pull the most recent updates cause it doesn't appear to be doing so |
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| 14:31 | jwagner | nengard, would it hurt anything to just run the update database script manually? |
| 14:31 | nengard | i don't know .. would it? :) |
| 14:31 | library_systems_guy | i don't think so |
| 14:31 | nengard | there's no data in there yet |
| 14:31 | library_systems_guy | the db is empty |
| 14:32 | nengard | we're not talking to each other in this room - can you tell??? |
| 14:33 | druthb | with an empty database, it shouldn't hurt anything to run updatedatabase manually. |
| 14:33 | nengard | hi druthb!! :) |
| 14:33 | where is the script? | |
| 14:33 | wahanui | it has been said that the script is here, take it, pretty it up, use it ;) |
| 14:33 | druthb | hi nengard! :) |
| 14:33 | nengard | wahanui that is not helpful |
| 14:33 | wahanui | ...but that is a risk you have to take... ;-)... |
| 14:33 | druthb | installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl |
| 14:33 | gmcharlt | hdl: I don't know of any |
| 14:34 | druthb | wahanui: nengard? |
| 14:34 | wahanui | i guess nengard is a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ |
| 14:34 | nengard | not so much anymore |
| 14:34 | now she's an overworked open source educator :) | |
| 14:34 | hdl | gmcharlt: and you know some ils-di consumers ? |
| 14:34 | library_systems_guy | script = fail |
| 14:34 | hdl | wahanui: forget nengard |
| 14:34 | wahanui | hdl: I forgot nengard |
| 14:34 | gmcharlt | well, allegedly vufund, as you know |
| 14:35 | library_systems_guy | 2 entries failed |
| 14:35 | hdl | nengard is an overworked open source educator |
| 14:35 | library_systems_guy | Can't DROP 'itemsstocknumberidx'; |
| 14:35 | and | |
| 14:35 | Duplicate key name 'itemstocknumberidx' | |
| 14:35 | hdl | wahanui: nengard ? |
| 14:35 | wahanui | nengard is an overworked open source educator |
| 14:35 | druthb | both of those should be fine, library_systems_guy. |
| 14:35 | oleonard | I got that same error library_systems_guy |
| 14:35 | hdl | wahanui: forget nengard |
| 14:35 | wahanui | hdl: I forgot nengard |
| 14:35 | library_systems_guy | ok...hmm |
| 14:36 | so the upgrade version was to 3.03.00.052 | |
| 14:38 | so one pref that was added last night was WaitingNotifyAtCheckin | |
| 14:38 | looks like im missing files o_0 | |
| 14:39 | nengard | would a fetch solve that? |
| 14:39 | library_systems_guy | no new git goodness on a fresh fetch |
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| 14:41 | nengard | grrrrrrr |
| 14:42 | rhcl | sekjal++ <for coding feverishly and fervishly all last weekend to add <date> to notices> |
| 14:42 | would that be bug 5197 | |
| 14:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5197 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, today's date on notices |
| 14:43 | sekjal | rhcl: thanks. I take it that it's working as intended on your system? |
| 14:43 | rhcl | yep. perfectly. Today was the first day with results |
| 14:44 | sekjal | awesome! I'll get that bundled up, and add the support to notices other than Holds and Overdues |
| 14:45 | * chris_n | idly wonders if the listserver could be setup to filter based on the phrase "out of office"... ;-) |
| 14:46 | library_systems_guy | oleonard: if the systems prefs updated in the database but its not showing up on the front end does that mean im missing files? |
| 14:46 | oleonard | chris_n: I've been on a mailing list that automatically rejected them. |
| 14:47 | library_systems_guy: Showing up on the front end? | |
| 14:47 | library_systems_guy | oleonard: negative |
| 14:47 | oleonard | chris_n: That same list rejected any message in which the default footer wasn't trimmed in the person's reply |
| 14:47 | library_systems_guy | sadly |
| 14:47 | oleonard | library_systems_guy: I meant I don't know what you mean by "showing up on the front end" |
| 14:48 | What showing up where? | |
| 14:48 | chris_n | oleonard: replying to digests is another issue as well |
| 14:48 | library_systems_guy | ohh my bad...I mean in systems prefs in the staff client |
| 14:48 | oleonard | Your version number has been updated in the database but the new number doesn't show up in system preferences? |
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| 14:49 | library_systems_guy | the version number showed in in sysprefs |
| 14:49 | however the actual setting didn't | |
| 14:50 | interesting bit however, the about page still says V.32 | |
| 14:50 | but system prefs is correct on version number | |
| 14:51 | oleonard | What do you mean by "actual setting?" |
| 14:51 | library_systems_guy | for example the setting WaitingNotifyAtCheckin |
| 14:51 | is not available in sysprefs | |
| 14:52 | oleonard | Sounds like your update didn't complete properly |
| 14:52 | francharb | library_systems_guy: best nickname ever! ;) |
| 14:52 | oleonard | Thank goodness for tab-completion though francharb! |
| 14:52 | francharb | :) |
| 14:53 | library_systems_guy | ha |
| 14:55 | nengard | so what's going on here - is the system borked? |
| 14:55 | oleonard | I have no idea |
| 14:55 | nengard | sekjal druthb i need you!! :) hehe |
| 14:56 | * druthb | perks. |
| 14:56 | library_systems_guy | fantastic...looks like ill have to pull a windows and...delete everything |
| 14:56 | sekjal | nengard: here |
| 14:56 | nengard | sekjal library_systems_guy is elliot at tyler |
| 14:57 | where i'm trying to help train on sys prefs | |
| 14:57 | library_systems_guy | and git is hosed |
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| 14:57 | nengard | but we don't have them all |
| 14:57 | druthb | that's not as panic-stricken as you might think, library_systems_guy. Do a git clone of the repo to a new directory, delete your current one, and rename the new. |
| 14:57 | nengard | library_systems_guy mumbles "oh man" |
| 14:58 | sekjal | so, wait, how is git hosed? |
| 14:58 | updating to the latest HEAD? | |
| 14:59 | I had a problem updating this morning, with one of the serials template files | |
| 15:00 | library_systems_guy | So the version number in sysprefs is x.052 however the version number in about is x.032 |
| 15:01 | odd part: | |
| 15:01 | the actual sysprefs aren't showing up | |
| 15:01 | sekjal | 052 is current head |
| 15:01 | or close to | |
| 15:02 | library_systems_guy | correct |
| 15:02 | so why is it not changing in about | |
| 15:02 | and why aren't the actual settings in sysprefs showing | |
| 15:02 | sekjal | is the code on HEAD? |
| 15:03 | if so, I'd recommend switching off that to the html_template_pro branch | |
| 15:03 | current HEAD is unstable as we slay the last of the Template::Toolkit switchover bugs | |
| 15:03 | library_systems_guy | oh for the TT2 stuff? |
| 15:04 | nengard | sekjal, we don't mind it being unstable, it's for testing purposes, not production at this time |
| 15:04 | the idea was to see all of the admin changes - sys prefs and all | |
| 15:05 | if that's all in the other branch then we can use that | |
| 15:05 | sekjal | pretty much all of it is |
| 15:05 | some fixes have been backported | |
| 15:06 | so, what you're describing sounds like the DB isn't updating to match the code version... perhaps there is a mis-labeled database revision in updatedatabase.pl | |
| 15:06 | a "3.03.XXX" instead of a real number | |
| 15:09 | library_systems_guy | so I may be doing this wrong but I tried manually updating the database |
| 15:09 | and the database updated fine | |
| 15:11 | sekjal | if you run the command from the commandline, you can force it through; the web-updater has some restrictions that will cause it to ignore database revision numbers that don't conform to the typical format |
| 15:11 | 3.03.00.0521 for example | |
| 15:11 | NCAR | Where's wizzyrea today? |
| 15:11 | * wizzyrea | looks around furtively |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | don't see her... |
| 15:12 | oh wait :) | |
| 15:12 | library_systems_guy | is that installer in the install directory/ |
| 15:12 | NCAR | there u r! |
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| 15:12 | sekjal | library_systems_guy: installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl |
| 15:12 | NCAR | Well, I gots some old circ stats from Sirsi. |
| 15:12 | let's see... | |
| 15:12 | library_systems_guy | yeah thats the one i ran |
| 15:13 | and it updated fine | |
| 15:13 | sekjal | cool |
| 15:13 | library_systems_guy | ok |
| 15:13 | so that rules out the database? | |
| 15:13 | sekjal | if the About page is still displaying wrong, it could be an issue with variable names in the .tt files |
| 15:14 | NCAR | we've only been on Koha for about 6 mos and it's saying we've had around 2000 checkouts over that time. |
| 15:14 | no, 1000 | |
| 15:14 | library_systems_guy | yeah it is |
| 15:14 | NCAR | sry |
| 15:14 | library_systems_guy | so i just ran select * from systempreferences where variable like '%waiting%'; |
| 15:14 | and i got the pref i was looking for | |
| 15:14 | NCAR | anyway, extrapolating would give me 2000 for 12 mos |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | that's checkouts *and* renewals |
| 15:14 | library_systems_guy | but its not available in sysprefs on the gui |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | maybe sirsi doesn't count the renewals? |
| 15:14 | as checkouts? | |
| 15:15 | NCAR | That's about 20% more than our FY08 stats from Sirsi |
| 15:15 | and 76% more than the FY09 stats | |
| 15:15 | so, who the hell knows. | |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | 76% is a weird jump |
| 15:15 | NCAR | could be |
| 15:15 | i know! | |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | do you get a lot of renewals? |
| 15:15 | NCAR | no |
| 15:16 | we'll probably get more now | |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 15:16 | NCAR | since it's way easier for patrons to renew in Koha |
| 15:16 | but that's neither here nor there | |
| 15:17 | in what ways were your circ stats skewed in Unicorn? | |
| 15:17 | and how did you discover it | |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | well we were actually counting checkins as well as renewals, and issues |
| 15:17 | and like i said, checkins in koha don't really mean anything statistically | |
| 15:17 | NCAR | right |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | because you return things to trigger transfers |
| 15:18 | so we had inflated stats because of that | |
| 15:18 | NCAR | mm |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | but you're not counting those |
| 15:18 | NCAR | so ur Sirsi numbers were actually higher than your Koha nos |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | nope, with the returns our sirsi numbers were much lower |
| 15:19 | NCAR | oh |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | (part of me can't believe we made that mistake, thinking about it now... of course you wouldn't count a checkin as a circulation) |
| 15:19 | NCAR | and your circulation seemed to increase once you had Koha in place? |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | yes, that is true |
| 15:19 | our circ did seem to increase once we got into koha | |
| 15:20 | and that's despite the fact that we came out of a much larger consortium | |
| 15:20 | with many more items | |
| 15:20 | NCAR | well, i guess i'll explain the discrepancy by saying our Sirsi nos may've been calculated differently AND we may actually be seeing more circ due to ease of Koha use. |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea | yea, i'm not sure what to attribute 76% to lol |
| 15:21 | slow year? | |
| 15:21 | economic downturn? | |
| 15:21 | though circ usually goes up when the economy is bad | |
| 15:21 | what type of library is yours, ncar? | |
| 15:21 | oleonard | Unless your state slashes your budget and you have to cut your hours |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 15:21 | that | |
| 15:22 | just when people need you most. so maddening. | |
| 15:22 | NCAR | we're a special library...atmospheric research |
| 15:22 | i dunno why our circ would've dropped in 09 | |
| 15:22 | it's odd | |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | does seem odd |
| 15:23 | NCAR | i do have more confidence in the Koha stats though |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | well you can look directly at the data, that's handy. |
| 15:23 | NCAR | partly b/c i feel like i have better access to the (huge) brains behind it |
| 15:23 | i never had that with Sirsi | |
| 15:24 | wizzyrea | yea, none of that "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" nonsense |
| 15:25 | NCAR | haha. yes, i could sit here and complain all day about why i hated Sirsi... |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | :) many here could |
| 15:25 | NCAR | but instead, i'm going to get the heck outta here...it's Friday and I've had enough screentime. :) |
| 15:26 | Thanks fer yer help, Lady. | |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | sure thing, have a great weekend :) |
| 15:26 | NCAR | u2 |
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| 15:30 | matts is now known as matts_away | |
| 15:30 | oleonard | Makes me thinks of LCARS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS |
| 15:30 | conan | gmcharlt: when you have time, would you take a look at http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/035450.html and tell me about both questions? |
| 15:32 | * kf_mtg | nick kf |
| 15:32 | kf_mtg is now known as kf | |
| 15:32 | kf | *sighs* |
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| 15:42 | rhcl | why the sigh kf? |
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| 15:46 | hdl | chris_n: I filtered them. |
| 15:46 | chris_n | cool! |
| 15:46 | * chris_n | cheers |
| 15:47 | chris_n | hdl++ |
| 15:47 | hdl | if you see one though on koha-devel or koha-patches, or any koha-* list |
| 15:47 | let me know | |
| 15:49 | kf | rhcl: tired - me nick kf doesn't work :) |
| 15:55 | gmcharlt | conan: use NULL, not '' |
| 15:55 | conan | gmcharlt: cool, and the other one? |
| 15:56 | gmcharlt | conan: don't do the fixme, IMO; if you don't have values yet |
| 15:57 | should be actual values, or at least plausible default values | |
| 15:57 | conan | the file where I found those are dumps from Poulain, I didn't wanted to break anything for someone else |
| 15:57 | so should I comment the invalid inserts and get in touch with the original authors? | |
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| 16:00 | gmcharlt | good idea |
| 16:00 | paul_p is easy to find :) | |
| 16:01 | conan | cool, thanks, will put my hands on it now |
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| 16:17 | tcohen | an asado for those who sign-off bug 5667 :-D |
| 16:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5667 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, koha-conf.xml missing entry for z39.50 publicserver |
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| 17:07 | * conan | looks in the wiki for some signoff tutorial and grabs a fork and knife |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
| 17:09 | there are 4 tabs I always have open: that one, the version control using git, my test install, and google reader :P | |
| 17:09 | teh 4th for my amusement only ;) | |
| 17:10 | the other 20 tabs are whatever else I'm working on that day ;) | |
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| 17:15 | conan | wizzyrea: have you checked out firefox 4 tab management? |
| 17:16 | wizzyrea | no, actually. I had so much trouble with FF4 that I went back to chrome :( |
| 17:19 | * cait | waves |
| 17:22 | * druthb | waves to cait. |
| 17:22 | cait | :) |
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| 17:49 | tcohen | wizzyrea: if u don't use ff4 and hence pin tab 'as an app' you should use 'morning coffee' ff extension :-D |
| 17:50 | #koha, have a nice weekend | |
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| 18:09 | * oleonard | knows that wizzyrea knows that Chrome did it first |
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| 18:20 | jwagner | oleonard or anyone else who might know -- in the OPAC search results, where you can change sort order, is the Popularity entry based on circulation? |
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| 18:23 | jwagner | found the code, it looks like it's counting from the issues table, so that would be based on current checkouts only? |
| 18:24 | druthb | that doesn't make much sense. |
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| 18:26 | jwagner | Doesn't seem terribly useful, no. I was expecting something based on the number of checkouts total. |
| 18:27 | druthb | yeah, the total issues number, or even counting off of old_issues (*shudder*) |
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| 18:27 | jwagner | I don't think I'm misreading it -- in Search.pm |
| 18:28 | jcamins_away | C4::Search-- |
| 18:28 | cait | nothing new there |
| 18:28 | gmcharlt | jwagner: that bit of code probably predates the split of issues and old_issues |
| 18:28 | jwagner | and no one has ever updated it, I guess. That would explain it, at least. Thanks. |
| 18:29 | gmcharlt | but NB - it's only NoZebra that checking issues directly |
| 18:30 | Zebra is grabbing a total loans count from the bib 942$0 | |
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| 18:33 | gmcharlt | ... which gets set by ... nothing |
| 18:33 | on the other hand, at least it can be worked around | |
| 18:33 | jwagner | Argh,.... |
| 18:34 | gmcharlt | write a cronjob to set biblioitems.totalissues |
| 18:34 | run touch_all_biblios.pl and index ... and it should work | |
| 18:35 | cait | and file a bug report |
| 18:36 | gmcharlt | cait: touch_all_biblios.pl isn't smart enough to do that yet |
| 18:36 | oh, wait | |
| 18:36 | ;) | |
| 18:36 | jwagner | That's a thought. It'll have to go on the back burner for now, though, but at least I have a better idea what the search is (not) doing. Thanks. |
| 18:36 | cait | hm? |
| 18:36 | gmcharlt: sorry? | |
| 18:36 | ah | |
| 18:36 | to file the bug report | |
| 18:36 | gmcharlt | right |
| 18:37 | * cait | is a bit slow today |
| 18:37 | cait | :) |
| 18:47 | slef | hi all |
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| 18:51 | cait | hi slef :) |
| 18:51 | jcamins_away | slef: question about your response to bug 6113. |
| 18:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enhancement to keep previous ids |
| 18:52 | cait | jcamins: was about to ask slef something about it too :) |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | How does one modify the data to ensure that the biblionumber is consistent? |
| 18:52 | As far as I can tell, the biblionumber will always be the next available, even if it shouldn't be. | |
| 18:52 | cait | I don't understand the whole problem really - using 001 and $w should be enough, not sure why you need to make some strange number the internal number. I think it will probably only cause a lot of trouble :( |
| 18:52 | jcamins: what you say | |
| 18:53 | it's not a good idea | |
| 18:53 | gmcharlt | cait: the desired outcome is to keep the bib ID the same from previous ILS to Koha |
| 18:53 | jcamins_away | cait: because linking to a search on 001 is very expensive. |
| 18:53 | cait | I see that |
| 18:53 | hm | |
| 18:53 | sorry, my whole world works like that :) | |
| 18:54 | jcamins_away | If it were possible to have a link to http://catalog/001/whatever, and not bring your catalog to the knees, that would be perfect. |
| 18:54 | cait | I am so used to using the control number from our union catalog everywhere |
| 18:54 | jcamins_away | 'Snot. |
| 18:54 | cait | I see that |
| 18:54 | so it's the time it takes to open the search? | |
| 18:54 | so, probably a new column in biblio would make it faster? | |
| 18:55 | what will you do when one of those internal numbers is alphanumeric, or too long, has leading zeros... | |
| 18:55 | jcamins_away | Yeah, but that would add more derived data. |
| 18:55 | cait | derived data? |
| 18:55 | * jcamins_away | personally thinks that durable URLs just aren't that important, but he's alone in that. |
| 18:56 | jcamins_away | The column "controlnumber" could be derived from marcxml. |
| 18:56 | cait | it could be mapped and copied into a database table too |
| 18:57 | jcamins_away | I like that idea. |
| 18:57 | And it could be VARCHAR. | |
| 18:57 | cait | yep |
| 18:57 | jcamins_away | cait++ |
| 18:57 | Say... wouldn't you like to suggest that on bug 6113? | |
| 18:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enhancement to keep previous ids |
| 18:57 | cait | I can't help, but playing around with internal primary keys make me shudder |
| 18:57 | I would like this solution better | |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | cait: well, it's not an either/or |
| 18:58 | cait | what do you think about it? |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | and, for that matter, a search on 001 isn't *that* expensive, assuming you've got in indexed in Zebra correctly |
| 18:59 | cait | we never got any complaints - it's not as fast as biblionumber though |
| 19:00 | * jcamins_away | thinks probably you have a big powerful server, and not the itsy bitsy server that his former employer wanted to use. |
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| 19:01 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: ? a Zebra search that by its nature returns a single hit isn't that expensive an operation |
| 19:02 | library_systems_guy | does anybody know the cpan module for template toolkit? |
| 19:02 | jcamins_away | gmcharlt: in that case I will have to blame a misconfiguration. |
| 19:02 | library_systems_guy: apt-get install libtemplate-perl | |
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| 19:02 | gmcharlt | library_systems_guy: Template |
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| 19:02 | wizzyrea | Template Toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl |
| 19:03 | template toolkit? | |
| 19:03 | wahanui | it has been said that template toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl |
| 19:03 | library_systems_guy | cool |
| 19:03 | ill see if that does it for me | |
| 19:03 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: granted, it would be more more expensive than a direct retrieval on an indexed DB column like bilbionumber |
| 19:03 | jcamins_away | gmcharlt: the problem we had with this was that the system invariably crashed if two people tried to follow the link at the same time. |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | well that's a bad problem :P |
| 19:04 | jcamins_away | Yah. |
| 19:04 | I haven't tried since I left there, 'cause it was never something I cared about anyway. | |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: and would seem to be tantamount to it crashing whenever more than one person tried a normal search simultaneously ... |
| 19:04 | jcamins_away | gmcharlt: no, that worked. |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: oy. really wonder about the implementation, then |
| 19:06 | jcamins_away | Not an issue anymore, thank goodness. :) |
| 19:06 | cait | jcamins: not sure how fast our servers are - they live on an esx farm |
| 19:06 | jcamins_away | cait: right, see, that proves that they're more powerful. |
| 19:06 | cait | I think there is some magic involved there, that I don't understand yet ;) |
| 19:07 | library_systems_guy | ok so i just did a fresh install to see if that would solve my git install problem. When I load the staff client for init i get this error: "Template process failed: file error - doc-head-open.inc: not found at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 119." |
| 19:07 | * jcamins_away | isn't working today, and goes back to not being here. |
| 19:07 | cait | jcamins_away: I added a comment |
| 19:09 | or I thought I did but had an midair collision with gmcharlt :) | |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | *splat* |
| 19:09 | cait | hehe |
| 19:12 | library_systems_guy | do you guys think the error I posted before is because I might have messed up the install? |
| 19:13 | cait | you installed the package for template toolkit? |
| 19:13 | library_systems_guy | the libtemplate-perl packate |
| 19:13 | package* | |
| 19:13 | cait | yes |
| 19:13 | library_systems_guy | yeah i installed that one |
| 19:14 | everything seemed normal during the install | |
| 19:18 | cait | only a very wild guess |
| 19:19 | is your browser preferring another language over english? | |
| 19:19 | library_systems_guy | no its definitely english |
| 19:19 | cait | hm. but for a new install it should work anyway |
| 19:20 | no idea then | |
| 19:20 | library_systems_guy | hmm |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | running from master is occasionally dangerous >.> |
| 19:21 | library_systems_guy | -_- |
| 19:21 | i can see that | |
| 19:21 | sad day | |
| 19:22 | rangi | specially when the week before the release manager warns people not to upgrade if they are running master in production, its not the unstable branch for nothing |
| 19:22 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit32: Translations update for 3.2.7 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a460e7abed0863d02> |
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| 19:24 | library_systems_guy | rangi: fair enough |
| 19:24 | rangi | how did you do the install? |
| 19:24 | perl Makefile.pl | |
| 19:24 | make | |
| 19:24 | make install | |
| 19:24 | ? | |
| 19:24 | library_systems_guy | make test after make |
| 19:25 | rangi | dev or standard? |
| 19:25 | library_systems_guy | standard |
| 19:26 | rangi | and yep, if it cant find that file, then the install is messed up |
| 19:26 | library_systems_guy | ok, ill re-run it and see if that does it |
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| 19:29 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 13 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #11 10 j ago) |
| 19:33 | library_systems_guy | it has to be the build |
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| 19:39 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:40 | wizzyrea | library_systems_guy: so you're still getting the problem? |
| 19:42 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
| 19:43 | cait | hi magnuse |
| 19:43 | magnuse | happy saturday morning rangi! |
| 19:43 | and happy friday night cait | |
| 19:43 | @wunder bodo, norway | |
| 19:43 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (9:20 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:43 | cait | hehe for you too magnuse |
| 19:43 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 19:43 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.1�C (9:40 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:43 | magnuse | light? rather heavy, akshuly |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence ks |
| 19:43 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.2�C (2:45 PM CDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | brr |
| 19:43 | on all counts | |
| 19:43 | rangi | could check the file is in the right place |
| 19:43 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 19:43 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on April 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:44 | cait | wizzyrea: feel kind of close to you now :) |
| 19:44 | magnuse | wizzyrea: what's the time in your neck of the woods? |
| 19:44 | rangi | hi magnuse |
| 19:44 | * magnuse | sets the teleporter to wellington, nz |
| 19:44 | cait | oh, I want to visit rangi too |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | almost 3pm |
| 19:45 | magnuse | ah, time to go home and enjoy the weekend? |
| 19:45 | cait | 16311 *SIGH* |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | almost! |
| 19:45 | magnuse | cait? |
| 19:45 | wahanui | cait is a competent programmer AND really sweet. |
| 19:46 | magnuse | THOUGHT SO |
| 19:46 | opps caps lock | |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | nah, it was deserving of emphasis ;) |
| 19:46 | magnuse? | |
| 19:46 | wahanui | magnuse is, like, so mean... :P |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 19:46 | magnuse | :-O |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | that just won't do |
| 19:46 | * cait | grumbles a little |
| 19:47 | cait | lol |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | wahanui: forget magnuse |
| 19:47 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot magnuse |
| 19:47 | cait | magnuse? |
| 19:47 | magnuse | cait: 16311? Did you guys add another 10000 bugs while i was eating pizza or summat? |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 19:47 | cait | that would be more fun than translating norwegian! |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | magnuse |
| 19:47 | ? | |
| 19:48 | magnuse? | |
| 19:48 | wahanui | it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 19:48 | cait | I am not sure what you paid the person who signed-off on that |
| 19:48 | magnuse | cait: are you translating norwegian? |
| 19:48 | * cait | is trying |
| 19:48 | cait | long story |
| 19:48 | ask rangi | |
| 19:48 | * wizzyrea | chants "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!" |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | i tease, I tease |
| 19:48 | cait | hehe |
| 19:48 | magnuse | rangi: why is cait translating norwegian? |
| 19:48 | rangi | i told you not to translate it |
| 19:48 | cait | :P |
| 19:48 | rangi | but no .. she HAS TO |
| 19:49 | * wizzyrea | watches this conversation with amusement |
| 19:49 | rangi | perfectionism |
| 19:49 | magnuse: the normarc xslt | |
| 19:49 | library_systems_guy | wizzyrea: yeah I am, perhaps I should just wait until the official release so the templating is good to go |
| 19:49 | rangi | or run a dev install |
| 19:49 | cait | actually he said that i am crazy |
| 19:49 | magnuse | rangi, cait: ah yes, that... |
| 19:49 | * magnuse | hangs his head in shame |
| 19:49 | rangi | if you are installing from git, running a dev install makes more sense |
| 19:50 | * jcamins_away | thinks that you should run a dev install and report bugs. |
| 19:50 | * wizzyrea | votes for running a dev install too |
| 19:50 | rangi | magnuse: she can't just click skip :P |
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| 19:50 | * magnuse | is slightly afraid of scaring library_systems_guy away with silly banter |
| 19:50 | library_systems_guy | lol the devs have it |
| 19:50 | jcamins_away | library_systems_guy: it's not nearly as scary as it sounds. |
| 19:50 | library_systems_guy | heh |
| 19:50 | cait | no, she can't ... but working on pref file right now |
| 19:50 | rangi | ok time to feed the kids |
| 19:51 | bbl | |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | (seriously, it's really better in lots of ways) |
| 19:51 | * magnuse | votes for running a dev install too |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | the name is the worst part :P |
| 19:51 | magnuse | have fun rangi |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | give the kids hugs and kisses from us :P |
| 19:52 | cait | do you want to scare them? |
| 19:52 | library_systems_guy | indeed...make sure they eat their veggies |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | the kids? |
| 19:52 | wahanui | the kids are off for 8 weeks here |
| 19:52 | library_systems_guy | jk...pizza all around |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | wahanui: forget the kids |
| 19:52 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot kids |
| 19:52 | magnuse | hey cait: as a tradeoff, there is some german in the norwegian interface, i think it's a syspref description... |
| 19:52 | cait | nah, can't be |
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| 19:52 | * jcamins_away | thinks library_systems_guy fits in great here, and there's no need to worry about scaring him off. |
| 19:52 | * cait | hides |
| 19:52 | cait | if oyu have German... what did I copy into the German file? |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | he just HAPPENS to have appeared on friday, the silliest day of the week in #koha |
| 19:53 | magnuse | you don't want to know! |
| 19:53 | library_systems_guy | you definitely don't have to worry about scarring me off |
| 19:53 | * wizzyrea | tries to think of something obnoxious to say in german... fails. |
| 19:53 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: are you sure? Any day ending in 'y' which includes my presence on #koha is silly. |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | well that's true |
| 19:53 | library_systems_guy | i used to be a chantard *hangs head in shame* |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | and tasty |
| 19:53 | * cait | goes to look up obnoxious |
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| 19:54 | cait | and chantard |
| 19:54 | * magnuse | goes to look up chantard (nah, not really) |
| 19:54 | magnuse | hey NateC |
| 19:54 | cait | ok, my dictionary does not know the word |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | obnoxious? |
| 19:55 | uh | |
| 19:55 | cait | chantard |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | google translate says obnoxious is widerwärtig |
| 19:55 | cait | yep |
| 19:55 | so does leo | |
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| 19:55 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 19:55 | cait | dict.leo.org :) |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | i'm guessing chantard would be in the urban dictionary |
| 19:56 | http://www.urbandictionary.com[…]php?term=Chantard | |
| 19:56 | cait | library_systems_guy: be careful mentioning cookies on #koha and you will be fine |
| 19:56 | * wizzyrea | perks up |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | cookies? |
| 19:56 | jcamins_away | Mmm. |
| 19:57 | Hey, guess what! | |
| 19:57 | library_systems_guy | mmhm i loves some cookies |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | cookies? |
| 19:57 | jcamins_away | Flour was on sale at the local supermarket! |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 19:57 | jcamins_away | 10 lbs/$3! |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | WHOA |
| 19:57 | library_systems_guy | *thinks jcamins_away should bake us cookies* |
| 19:57 | cait | he really fits in |
| 19:57 | * oleonard | thinks jcamins_away should come back already |
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| 19:58 | cait | where are you from library_systems_guy? |
| 19:58 | library_systems_guy | Tyler Tx |
| 19:58 | cait | oh, farfar away |
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| 19:58 | library_systems_guy | cait: where are you? |
| 19:58 | magnuse | cait: log on as test1/test1 here http://demo.bibkat.no:8080/cgi[…]?tab=staff-client and have a look at XSLTDetailsDisplay and XSLTResultsDisplay |
| 19:58 | cait | Konstanz, Germany |
| 19:59 | * wizzyrea | is only two states away in Kansas |
| 19:59 | library_systems_guy | oh yeah...probably should have picked up on that from all the lang comments |
| 19:59 | * magnuse | is in Bodø, Norway - above the Arctic Circle (just) |
| 19:59 | library_systems_guy | w00t Kansas |
| 19:59 | oleonard | library_systems_guy: You'll sometimes see another Texan around here, schuster |
| 19:59 | library_systems_guy | magnuse: is it cold there heh |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | he's from plano |
| 20:00 | library_systems_guy | oh nice, then we are kind of close |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | @wundero Bodo Norway |
| 20:00 | huginn | wizzyrea: downloading the Perl source |
| 20:00 | bg joined #koha | |
| 20:00 | cait | magnuse: oops |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | @wunder Bodo NOrway |
| 20:00 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (9:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | nah, not too cold |
| 20:00 | magnuse | just very wet at the moment |
| 20:00 | library_systems_guy | nah not bad |
| 20:00 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 20:00 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 23.9�C (4:00 PM EDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:00 | * magnuse | wonders if a map supplement to this http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars would be cool or creepy |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | showoff |
| 20:00 | oleonard | :P |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | i vote cool |
| 20:01 | cait | cool |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | i mean, to the town level |
| 20:01 | library_systems_guy | cool...until i get a koha stalker |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | [probably not to my house] |
| 20:01 | magnuse | could be done quite easily with Semantic Mediawiki... |
| 20:01 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 20:01 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in Bel Air Knolls, Santa Barbara, California is 24.6�C (1:00 PM PDT on April 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to 6 am PDT Saturday... |
| 20:01 | cait | mediawiki... |
| 20:02 | oleonard | library_systems_guy: We call those Twitter followers nowadays |
| 20:02 | cait | hi bg |
| 20:02 | magnuse | yeah, you could just place the pin smack in the center of "your" town |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | what he doesn't realize is... once you get involved with koha they're all your friends :P |
| 20:02 | library_systems_guy | lol oleonard |
| 20:02 | magnuse | koha_friends++ |
| 20:03 | library_systems_guy | wizzyrea: those sys admins will be trying to keep you up all the time |
| 20:03 | cait | koha_friends++ |
| 20:03 | library_systems_guy | ...man where is the bad pun user |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | hehehe |
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| 20:04 | library_systems_guy | do you guys use pidgin for IRC? |
| 20:04 | * jcamins | uses irssi |
| 20:04 | oleonard | Chatzilla here |
| 20:04 | sekjal | library_systems_guy: XChat-GNOME |
| 20:04 | cait | I do |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | Colloquy, usually |
| 20:04 | * magnuse | uses Colloquy on Mac (but not for long) and Xchat on Ubuntu |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | (with bip_ |
| 20:04 | library_systems_guy | what were your settings cait? mine keeps failing |
| 20:05 | * magnuse | started using bip yesterday! |
| 20:05 | * sekjal | also uses Colloquy when he's on a Mac |
| 20:05 | cait | wwhoho magnuse |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | I actually like colloquy better than most irc clients :P |
| 20:05 | cait | if you are asking about the identify thing... that doesn't work for me |
| 20:05 | what's your problem? | |
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| 20:06 | library_systems_guy | oh maybe thats what it is...the connect just fails for me |
| 20:06 | * wizzyrea | is trying hard to like running Ubuntu. Really. |
| 20:06 | jcamins | wizzyrea: Ubuntu's really cool. |
| 20:06 | library_systems_guy | so im stuck using mibbit |
| 20:06 | im using ubuntu | |
| 20:06 | cait | library_systems_guy: it works for me, only nickserv is complaining everytime I log on |
| 20:07 | jcamins | Of course, I switched to a Mac, but I was perfectly happy with Ubuntu, and before that FreeBSD, for years. |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | jcamins: i know it is! |
| 20:07 | library_systems_guy | lol well i might give xchat a quick look |
| 20:07 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 20:07 | Project Koha_3.2.x build #13: FIXED in 37 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/13/ | |
| 20:07 | Frédéric Demians: Translations update for 3.2.7 | |
| 20:09 | * magnuse | is plotting how to get rid of the mac and use linux full time |
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| 20:10 | library_systems_guy | magnuse stairs work well |
| 20:10 | cait | oh, less to type :) |
| 20:11 | library_guy | oh yeah xchat ftw |
| 20:11 | dang | |
| 20:11 | killed my first choice in username | |
| 20:11 | :'( | |
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| 20:12 | magnuse | oh no, is he gone? |
| 20:12 | library_systems_guy | nope |
| 20:12 | back | |
| 20:12 | magnuse | yay, he came back! |
| 20:12 | library_systems_guy | synergy failed me |
| 20:12 | jcamins | library_systems_guy: incidentally, in case you didn't recognize me, I'm Jared from ByWater. |
| 20:12 | library_systems_guy | yeah i got you and ian |
| 20:12 | nicole was just here | |
| 20:13 | she was the one that told me to get the latest version from master | |
| 20:13 | * bg | = brendan at ByWater - hiya |
| 20:13 | jcamins | Okay, some people get confused by my last name. |
| 20:13 | library_systems_guy | yeah the away kept throwing me off :p |
| 20:13 | * magnuse | discovers that the wiki is already semantic (cool!) - now if we only had http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/[…]ion:Semantic_Maps ... |
| 20:13 | * jcamins | corrects himself: *everyone* gets confused by my last name. Some people just stay confused even after they've seen it written. |
| 20:14 | cait | magnuse... or if we could go back to dokuwiki... |
| 20:14 | * cait | hides |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | noo not doku >.< |
| 20:14 | * magnuse | thinks jcamins has the coolest last name |
| 20:14 | cait | yes.. I know I am an outsider |
| 20:15 | * wizzyrea | pats cait |
| 20:15 | magnuse | hehe, yeah let's have a little flame war about wikis! ;-) |
| 20:15 | library_systems_guy | a flame war? |
| 20:15 | * cait | better goes back to translate norwegian |
| 20:15 | cait | ;) |
| 20:15 | magnuse | cait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dooku |
| 20:16 | um, flame war may not have been the word i was looking for | |
| 20:16 | jcamins | magnuse: thanks. People get doubly confused when they learn that my wife and I do not share any names. |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | bg: does bywater have any hybrid consortia? (schools, public, academic all together?) |
| 20:16 | magnuse | cait: my plan is to translate the norwegian xslt into english, but not sure when |
| 20:16 | cait | it's ok |
| 20:16 | and don't | |
| 20:16 | * magnuse | does not share any names with his wife either |
| 20:16 | cait | i will have to translate it all again if you do that |
| 20:17 | jcamins: not so uncommon here | |
| 20:17 | or having double name | |
| 20:17 | s | |
| 20:17 | magnuse | cait: nah, it will mostly be the same as in english, i think |
| 20:17 | jcamins | magnuse: why are there different XSLTs? |
| 20:18 | cait | jcamins: not sure you really want to know that... |
| 20:18 | magnuse | jcamins: i made xslts for normarc - and thought i might as well have them in norwegian, since only norwegians would be using them |
| 20:18 | #marcmustdie | |
| 20:18 | * cait | saw that hashtag coming |
| 20:18 | library_systems_guy | * library_systems_guy agrees with magnuse |
| 20:19 | * magnuse | turns out norwegian in xslt was probably not a good idea |
| 20:19 | magnuse | thanks library_systems_guy |
| 20:19 | jcamins | cait: the reason it's odd that I don't share any names with my wife is that I already have a hyphenated last name. |
| 20:19 | magnuse | marc? |
| 20:19 | wahanui | somebody said marc was the standard that isn't |
| 20:19 | magnuse | hehe |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | @quote get 123 |
| 20:19 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:19 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 20:20 | magnuse | yay! |
| 20:20 | jcamins | Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there? |
| 20:20 | wahanui | Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is probably a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:20 | oleonard | Adios #koha |
| 20:20 | oleonard left #koha | |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | wahanui: forget Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there? |
| 20:20 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | of course, he'll remember that every time we quote get that |
| 20:21 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 20:25 | magnuse | @quote get random |
| 20:25 | huginn | magnuse: Error: 'random' is not a valid id. |
| 20:25 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 20:25 | magnuse | @quote random |
| 20:25 | huginn | magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 20:25 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 12:23 PM, July 14, 2010) |
| 20:25 | magnuse | ooh, what are the chances of that? |
| 20:25 | @quote ransom | |
| 20:25 | huginn | magnuse: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 20:25 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 20:25 | magnuse | :-) |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 20:25 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #116: "slef: It's probably some corrupt mix of double-encoding or ISO-8859-1 mislabelled as MARC-8 and the problem is rather similar to trying to reconstruct a pig from sausages, sorry." (added by wizzyrea at 05:10 PM, January 21, 2011) |
| 20:25 | library_systems_guy | gotta go talk to me boss bbl |
| 20:27 | cait | jcamins? |
| 20:27 | wahanui | jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | ...wow that's epic |
| 20:30 | jcamins | n:) |
| 20:30 | s/n// | |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | is NateC still around? |
| 20:31 | NateC | hi wizzyrea! |
| 20:31 | cait | fredericd: I still can't moderate the suggestions on Pootle :( |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | do you know, does bywater have any hybrid consortia? (schools, public, academic all together?) |
| 20:32 | NateC | MassCat |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | cool ty |
| 20:32 | :) | |
| 20:32 | NateC | np :) |
| 20:35 | magnuse | bywater++ # just because |
| 20:39 | * magnuse | wishes all of #koha a fine time of the day and wanders off to an early night |
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| 20:48 | wizzyrea | kate_middletons_completely_weird_hats-- |
| 20:48 | just had to. | |
| 20:56 | cait | :) |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | somehow I stumbled into a binge of looking at royal wedding stuff (after being completely... well, not completely, but mostly ignorant of the whole affair) and good lord |
| 20:56 | the hats are simply ludicrous! | |
| 20:57 | and I even like non-baseball-cap hats | |
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| 21:04 | library_systems_guy | ok so I have a random question for you guys |
| 21:04 | are most of you devels or do you actually work in libraries | |
| 21:05 | cait | not so easy to answer that |
| 21:05 | library_systems_guy | do you do both? |
| 21:05 | * cait | is a librarian, but not working in a library, and some say I am a developer. |
| 21:05 | library_systems_guy | hmm thats interesting |
| 21:05 | cait | I don't know in numbers, probably more developers |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea: what do you think? | |
| 21:06 | * sekjal | is also a librarian by training, but has been on the 'dark side' for over a year now |
| 21:06 | * cait | hopes to get there :) |
| 21:06 | cait | the dark side looks promising |
| 21:06 | library_systems_guy | oh it is |
| 21:06 | * wizzyrea | is in a position much like yours |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | but I work at a regional system. |
| 21:07 | and I'm not a degreed librarian, but could probably do it in a pinch ;) | |
| 21:07 | let's see | |
| 21:07 | cait | my job is similar to wizzyrea's I think |
| 21:07 | library_systems_guy | wizzyrea should probably be librarian_in_disguise |
| 21:07 | cait | we support libraries |
| 21:07 | library_systems_guy | oh ok |
| 21:07 | that makes sense | |
| 21:08 | cait | offering different services for libraries, I work at a public institution, a library service center |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | certainly the Koha community population reflected here is more on the systems/dev side |
| 21:08 | library_systems_guy | When you help libraries switch to koha do you get much resistance to the change |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | overall though, there are lots of librarians in the community. They are usually hiding behind the one or two techie representatives here.. |
| 21:09 | I have not encountered it | |
| 21:09 | Koha, overall, is very friendly to staff. | |
| 21:09 | it has some rough spots, sure | |
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| 21:09 | library_systems_guy | man I am getting so much push back at our library it is almost incomprehensible |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | but constant improvement really helps with that |
| 21:10 | constant and steady | |
| 21:10 | library_systems_guy | i agree, but I'm a devel |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | reeeallly |
| 21:10 | what are they pushing back about? | |
| 21:10 | changing workflows? | |
| 21:10 | cait | we get positive feedback from our libraries too |
| 21:10 | library_systems_guy | haha everything from the wording in the staff/opac to the way notices are sent |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | ohhh, wording |
| 21:11 | you should investigate | |
| 21:11 | jquery library? | |
| 21:11 | boo | |
| 21:11 | sec | |
| 21:11 | cait | and very few questions about how something works, some smaller bugs and cataloging/data things |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 21:11 | rhcl | notices have improved a bit since we started using them, and the recent "fix" for the <date> helps |
| 21:11 | library_systems_guy | oh yeah nicole told me about jquery |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | or you can go even further and make your own translation |
| 21:12 | cait | yep you could do that |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 21:12 | jquery library? | |
| 21:12 | wahanui | i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 21:12 | * cait | is doing that hehe |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | "the way notices are sent" |
| 21:12 | library_systems_guy | I think this will be very helpful when i catch flack about the wording |
| 21:13 | yeah...Koha only sends 3 apparently | |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | I wonder how they want them to be sent? |
| 21:13 | library_systems_guy | they want a notice sent until the fine is paid...i suppose until the end of time |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | !!!! |
| 21:13 | that could almost certainly be added | |
| 21:13 | library_systems_guy | thats the way they have it now |
| 21:13 | exactly | |
| 21:13 | I suppose i should give you some background | |
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| 21:14 | library_systems_guy | Nicole came to our library this week |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | file an enhancement bug! |
| 21:14 | :) | |
| 21:14 | cait | the question is if a patron that didn't care about 3 notices will care about 10 |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | cool |
| 21:14 | cait: that's so true | |
| 21:14 | library_systems_guy | I agree with cait |
| 21:14 | sekjal | this sounds like something to factor into a Notices Rewrite |
| 21:14 | cait | but I have to say... we normally do four around here - the last one often threatening to send someone to collect the books |
| 21:15 | library_systems_guy | yeah I thought I could maybe write that and submit it to the community |
| 21:15 | sekjal | wherein we have arbitrary notices sent at user-configurable intervals |
| 21:15 | library_systems_guy | break knee's and such lol |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | that would be great :) you get a spot in the history if you get a patch accepted :) |
| 21:15 | library_systems_guy | sweet |
| 21:15 | cait | and if you could make the notices listen to the calendar... you would have a very happy cait to talk to ;) |
| 21:15 | sekjal | library_systems_guy: do it! |
| 21:15 | cait | you even get numbered |
| 21:15 | library_systems_guy | haha yeah i just need to get down the submissions process |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | < 87 |
| 21:15 | git? | |
| 21:15 | wahanui | it has been said that git is found at http://git.koha-community.org |
| 21:16 | cait | hm 97 I think |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | git wiki? |
| 21:16 | version control? | |
| 21:16 | hrmp | |
| 21:16 | cait | I was moved around because chris forgot a number, now I always forget mine |
| 21:16 | git | |
| 21:16 | git? | |
| 21:16 | wahanui | freaking rules |
| 21:16 | library_systems_guy | yeah git is new to me...i come from svn |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git + http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
| 21:16 | a great way to start is to sign off on patches | |
| 21:16 | test them and resend | |
| 21:17 | library_systems_guy | ok cool |
| 21:17 | yeah that would help me get familiar with the code base | |
| 21:17 | jcamins | Yes, signing off is a great idea! |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | *nod* exactly :) |
| 21:17 | jcamins | I can suggest several super patches that you could sign off on. |
| 21:18 | library_systems_guy | a super patch? |
| 21:18 | * jcamins | looks around... huh, do you know I seem to be the one who escalated those bugs to "critical" ;) |
| 21:18 | library_systems_guy | ohhh |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | probably he means "patches for his pet bugs" |
| 21:18 | library_systems_guy | lol |
| 21:18 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 21:18 | library_systems_guy | for shame |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 21:18 | jcamins | But, they're good bugs. |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | I often sign off on patches for my pets |
| 21:18 | >.> | |
| 21:18 | <.< | |
| 21:18 | library_systems_guy | i once had a pet named patches |
| 21:19 | jcamins | One is for serious data corruption, the other is because authorities are broken with MARC21. |
| 21:19 | library_systems_guy | but i suppose that is a different story |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Well, actually, terrible bugs, but they're bugs that deserve sign offs. |
| 21:19 | library_systems_guy | are they in bugzilla? |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 21:19 | Bug 3072 and... | |
| 21:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE |
| 21:19 | jcamins | bug 5683 |
| 21:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records |
| 21:20 | * cait | sends jcamins some cookies |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | you got a testing plan in place for that there chum? |
| 21:21 | :P | |
| 21:21 | library_systems_guy | ok, i hate to jet so soon but my girlfriend needs a ride home :'/ |
| 21:21 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yes. |
| 21:21 | library_systems_guy | maybe we can pick back up on this monday? |
| 21:21 | id love to get started | |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | of course :) |
| 21:21 | library_systems_guy | asap |
| 21:21 | sweet | |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | we're always around |
| 21:21 | well nto *always* | |
| 21:21 | but someone is ;) | |
| 21:22 | library_systems_guy | haha |
| 21:22 | ;) | |
| 21:22 | cya later | |
| 21:22 | jcamins | For bug 3072, if authority searches work with DOM enabled, the patch was successful. |
| 21:22 | The two searches that are currently broken are "any" and "main entry ($a only)" | |
| 21:22 | library_systems_guy | hmm |
| 21:22 | ok | |
| 21:22 | ill take a look when i get to my home machine | |
| 21:22 | jcamins | For bug 5683, the second patch has a test. |
| 21:23 | I guess it should've been done in the other order, so you could see that it didn't work before the patch. | |
| 21:23 | library_systems_guy | haha |
| 21:23 | jcamins i g2g give my gf a ride man | |
| 21:24 | ill hit you up with this on monday (or saturday if your around) | |
| 21:24 | jcamins | library_systems_guy: enjoy. I was telling wizzyrea what to do. |
| 21:24 | Yeah, I work Saturday-Wednesday. | |
| 21:24 | library_systems_guy | oops |
| 21:24 | my bad | |
| 21:24 | lol | |
| 21:24 | ok cool | |
| 21:24 | later man | |
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| 21:27 | sekjal | he has the right idea.... see y'all Monday (if not sooner) |
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| 21:39 | druthb | o/ |
| 21:41 | cait | \o |
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| 21:50 | rhcl | bye bye |
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