IRC log for #koha, 2011-04-07

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01:18	druthb	kia ora, space_librarian. :)
01:18	space_librarian	kiaora! :)
01:19	rangi	hi druthb
01:19	druthb	hi, rangi!
01:22	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6014 : Removing a leftover warn <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6cb00a6edc875040d> / Bug 6014 : MT3138 Adding some permission management to viewlog <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7e2b63c3b3158ffe8>
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01:23	rangi	its kansas NateC
01:23		how were the naked librarians?
01:29	jenkins_koha	Starting build 128 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:32	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6032: Increase zebra biblio register stores <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]091b493481a35d3f2> / Bug 6032: Give biblio register and shadow sane default max sizes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d2f1f863fad8c44d6> / Bug 4374 Improve biblio data entry form regarding hidden/mandatory fields <http://git.koha-commu
01:33	NateC	Hi rangi! The neked librarians were great
01:33		and yes days not hours :)
01:34	rangi	:)
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01:51	eythian	http://i.imgur.com/Ak7Lrl.jpg
01:51	rangi	lol
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02:10	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #128: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/128/
02:10		* Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 6014 : MT3138 Adding some permission management to viewlog
02:10		* Chris Cormack: Bug 6014 : Removing a leftover warn
02:10		* Frédéric Demians: Bug 4374 Improve biblio data entry form regarding hidden/mandatory fields
02:10	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6014 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Log viewer needs permissions
02:10	jenkins_koha	* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6032: Give biblio register and shadow sane default max sizes
02:10		* Robin Sheat: Bug 6032: Increase zebra biblio register stores
02:10	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4374 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Data entry form doesn't use hidden/mandatory flag as expected
02:10	jenkins_koha	Starting build 129 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:10	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6032 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Give biblios register and shadow sane default max sizes
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02:16	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6100: request.pl should check maxreserves exists <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b1cb797a9931bdcf8>
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02:27	druthb	rangi, is the Marseille hackfest keepin you busy?
02:27	rangi	yep, good busy tho
02:36	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: This patch fixes the broken pagination in members-search.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c12249de7aaada710>
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02:51	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #129: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/129/
02:51		Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6100: request.pl should check maxreserves exists
02:51	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6100 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, request.pl should check maxreserves exists before using it
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02:51	jenkins_koha	Starting build 130 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:51	Brooke_	kia ora!
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02:53	space_librarian	kia ora!
03:04	eythian	If someone loses a book, and there is no replacement price defined, should a charge (of zero) still be added? That's what currently happens, but it seems weird.
03:05	druthb	It would be nice to have a syspref or itype setting that lets you define a standard repl price, if one is not in the item rec.
03:05	rangi	i think we should email the kohadmin address
03:05	Brooke_	^
03:05		or honk loudly with a screen error spam
03:05	eythian	OK. I won't do any of those, but I'll make sure they're easy to put in after the fact.
03:05	rangi	or druthb's suggestion would work too
03:05		coolio
03:06	Brooke_	hmm only 16 ranked women fencers in the NZ open category...
03:07	rangi	thats cos they just tackle people here
03:07		we are the world champs in womens rugby, for like 40 million years
03:07	eythian	that's surprising really. We have a lot of fences.
03:08	Brooke_	there are apparently 36 sissy epeeists.
03:09		But really, who says stand and deliver for you are about the epee?
03:09		No one.
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03:18	Brooke_	namaskar
03:18	kmkale	Namaskar #koha
03:18		Hi Brooke_
03:18		long time no see
03:19	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6028 : MT3815: Quickfix for CSV export (9999 rows limitation) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]51a0f21497d3490a7>
03:19	kmkale	missed yesterday's meeting
03:19	druthb	namaskar, kmkale. :)
03:19	kmkale	hi druthb :)
03:20		@laater tell cait thanks for signing off 6038
03:20	huginn	kmkale: I suck
03:20	kmkale	@later tell cait thanks for signing off 6038
03:20	huginn	kmkale: The operation succeeded.
03:20	Brooke_	dude! Who taught huginn to cuss?
03:21	* druthb	whistles innocently.  She din't have anything to do with that, no.
03:21	Brooke_	gnarly!
03:21	kmkale	:)
03:21	druthb	wahanui: Brooke?
03:21	wahanui	druthb: wish i knew
03:21	Brooke_	yes!
03:21	* Brooke_	throws up the horns
03:21	druthb	wahanui: kmkale?
03:21	wahanui	rumour has it kmkale is right
03:21	druthb	lol
03:21	kmkale	huh?
03:21	Brooke_	wahanui: botsnack g&t
03:21	wahanui	:)
03:22	kmkale	wahanui: forget kmkale
03:22	wahanui	kmkale: I forgot kmkale
03:22	kmkale	wahanui: druthb?
03:22	wahanui	druthb is a rockstar!
03:22	druthb	harrrumph!
03:22	Brooke_	pfft.
03:22	kmkale	ha! :)
03:22	druthb	wahanui: forget druthb
03:22	wahanui	druthb: I forgot druthb
03:22	* Brooke_	suspects the hand of wizzyrea.
03:23	* druthb	suspects the hand of NateC or bg.
03:23	kmkale	druthb: whats your local time now?
03:24	druthb	23:24.
03:24	Brooke_	if you wait 36 mins, druthb turns into a pumpkin.
03:25	druthb	:P
03:25	kmkale	whaen a patch status is patch pushed whats the next action? Its already part of master correct?
03:26	rangi	thats right
03:26		the next action is for the reporter to test it
03:26		and mark it resolved fixed
03:26		or not
03:27	eythian	curious. C4::Circulation::MarkIssueReturned does everything except actually mark the item as returned.
03:27	rangi	kmkale: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow
03:29	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5156, JavaScript error when adding list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3c5d6c27bef0513a6>
03:29	kmkale	Thanks rangi
03:31	rangi	http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]0&hide_resolved=0
03:31		getting there
03:32	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #130: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/130/
03:32		Koustubha Kale: This patch fixes the broken pagination in members-search.pl
03:32		Starting build 131 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:34	kmkale	:)
03:36	Brooke_	don't tell Irma, but beardy Branson's sub looks a fright.
03:36		just looks like they took the wings off his plane and called it a day.
03:39	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6077: qty not incremented for AcqCreateItem=recieve <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]92d07c1795c617f97> / Bug 5946 : (MT1177) aqplan.pl, fix the problem of calculating the total remaining. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]37d43348feb2a6058>
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03:46	kmkale	Can someone please change the topic? Preferably to "Next Kohacon volunteers meeting on 8th April 2011 6.00 UTC+0 "
03:48	druthb	yeeks!  That'd be 1 AM for me.  I prolly won't make it, kmkale.
03:48	kmkale	:(
03:48		next time druthb we will rotate time by 8hrs
03:49	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5213 - Suffix number sequence not resetting properly in hmyymmincr barcode autoge... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0f91f5b27a58cf5d5>
03:49	druthb	awesomeness.  Since it's looking promising for me to go, I'd like to help, any way I can.
03:49	* kmkale	hopes he won't be alone in the meeting :(
03:52	druthb	time correction; that'll be 02:00, not 01:00.
03:52	kmkale	thats worse
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03:52	kmkale	but in the last volunteers meeting we decided to rotate the times by 8hrs each meeting
03:52		Hi AmitG
03:52	druthb	you might catch a west-coaster up late, but those of us in the east...probably not many.    As irregular as my sked has been lately, though, I might surprise you.
03:53	AmitG	heya all
03:53		heya kmkale
03:53	druthb	hi, AmitG
03:53	AmitG	hey chris
03:53		hi druthb
03:53	kmkale	hey AmitG how about that link to pazpar2 doc?
03:53	AmitG	kamkale: sory for late
03:54		sure today i will send you
03:55	kmkale	Thanks AmitG
03:59	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Removing conflict markers <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d8ea6e2d5af2e48d7> / (Bug 4049) Searching itemtypes returning noise <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]16905e458cab9dbd4>
04:11		New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5957' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2cc4c68470828e12a> / Bug 5957 follow-up: use comparison operator in if <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]115c997506ab480bf>
04:12	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #131: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/131/
04:12		* Matthias Meusburger: Bug 6028 : MT3815: Quickfix for CSV export (9999 rows limitation)
04:12		* Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5156, JavaScript error when adding list
04:12	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6028 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED, Fixing the 9999 rows limiation on export to csv
04:12	jenkins_koha	* Alex Arnaud: Bug 5946 : (MT1177) aqplan.pl, fix the problem of calculating the total remaining.
04:12	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5156 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, JavaScript error when adding list
04:12		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5946 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Acquisitions: Budget planning does not total correctly
04:12	jenkins_koha	Starting build 132 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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04:33	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a41c88bd02a25812a> / 5936: Remove some obsolete db columns from aqbooksellers and aqbudgets if needed <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e73816bb94a256d17> / Bug 5923 : Removed link from variable $summary <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=comm
04:40	eythian	Anyone know what the account type code 'FU' was intended to be? I see it referenced from time to time, but never documented.
04:41	rangi	there we 2 types of fine originally
04:41		FU = Fine unpaid
04:41		F = Fine paid
04:41	eythian	OK cool, then I'll remove all the FU stuff.
04:42	rangi	yeah not needed now, just need to do an updatedatabase to migrate any databases that might have FU still
04:43	eythian	yeah. The migration process is going to be fairly involved as it is, something like that is pretty easy too.
04:53	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #132: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/132/
04:53		* Paul Poulain: Bug 6077: qty not incremented for AcqCreateItem=recieve
04:53		* Chris Nighswonger: Bug 5213 - Suffix number sequence not resetting properly in hmyymmincr barcode autogen pattern
04:53	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6062: ordering basketgroups <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]86cbf3a8c6a337a1f> / Bug 5951 : consistency change: s/planning/statistic/ <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]99407c92840d2417c> / Bug 5915 : C4::AuthoritiesMarc AddAuthority <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]h=c9def9328613401
04:53	jenkins_koha	* Henri-Damien LAURENT: (Bug 4049) Searching itemtypes returning noise
04:53		* Chris Cormack: Removing conflict markers
04:53		* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5957 follow-up: use comparison operator in if
04:53	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6077 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, qty not incremented for AcqCreateItem=recieve
04:53		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5213 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Suffix number sequence not resetting properly in hmyymmincr barcode autogen pattern
04:53		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4049 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, Search on itemtypes returning noise
04:53		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5957 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, COiNS in the OPAC search results should be optional
04:53	jenkins_koha	Starting build 133 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:00	eythian	http://cl.ly/5nAo <-- choosing software licenses
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05:18		kmkale is now known as kmkale_a
05:20	cait	eythian: still around?
05:20	eythian	yarp
05:21	cait	I think F is the first fine, and it goes to FU once the second fine is added
05:21		when you are using fines for overdue items
05:21	eythian	cait: ah right.
05:21	cait	I spend a lot of time with fines and notices
05:21		more than I ever wanted
05:21	eythian	Well, it won't now :) if I need to I'll come up with something to reproduce that kind of functionality.
05:21	cait	is your rewrite going to touch this too?
05:21	eythian	heh
05:22		it's replacing everything to do with accounts.
05:22	cait	I think something like a counter would make more sense
05:22		to show how many times a fine has been added, the f and fu is a bit strange
05:23	eythian	cait: that could work. A more accounty sort of way might be to make a synthetic transaction that increases the amount owed on it.
05:24	cait	a way to track when the fine was increased is what I need here
05:24		because of our weekly fines thing
05:24		as long as I can get that out of the data I will be happy :)
05:24	eythian	accountoffsets has a timestamp
05:24		so that'd do it
05:24	cait	hm no
05:24		or not sure
05:25		will there be an entry to accountoffsets every time the fine is increased?
05:25	eythian	yes
05:25	cait	I think it updates the same entry setting a new timestamp every time now
05:25		and I think I use the fine log to find out when exactly it was increased
05:25	eythian	I'm trying to avoid modiying any records, only adding them and flagging them with states.
05:26	cait	and it's a bit messy for weekly, because he increases it every day... not really increasing, but resetting, 1.50, 1.50, 1.50, ... 3.00...
05:26	eythian	ah right
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05:26	cait	but I know, that's another kind of problem
05:27	eythian	well, if I use an accountsoffset entry to add more onto the fine, then you can easily tell when it was last updated.
05:27	Oak	"It's called GNU/Crazy" -- http://cl.ly/5nAo
05:32	cait	eythian: sounds good to me :)
05:33	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #133: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/133/
05:33		* Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5923 : Authorities list :removing link on Summary
05:33		* Julian Maurice: Bug 5923 : Removed link from variable $summary
05:33	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5923 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED, Authorities list :removing link on Summary
05:33	jenkins_koha	* Marcel de Rooy: 5936: Remove some obsolete db columns from aqbooksellers and aqbudgets if needed
05:33		* Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
05:33		* Paul Poulain: Bug 5915 : C4::AuthoritiesMarc AddAuthority
05:33		* Paul Poulain: Bug 5951 : consistency change: s/planning/statistic/
05:33	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5915 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, UNIMARC Authorities : 100$a simple error: Sometimes, language is encoded fre50 and not  frey50.
05:33	jenkins_koha	* Paul Poulain: Bug 6062: ordering basketgroups
05:33	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5951 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Acquisitions: changing planning value to statistics value
05:33		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6062 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Basketgroup ordering
05:44	eythian	cait: the 'till reconciliation report' that there seems to be code for is never used, right?
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05:46	eythian	I can only see it referenced from one place, and there it's commented out so that it'll never actually appear.
05:46	* eythian	deletes
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06:00	cait	eythian: not sure what you are talking about
06:00		eythian: never heard of that report
06:00	eythian	cait: that's good then :)
06:00	cait	hehe
06:01		when you are about to delete things, there are columns for notify id and such things in some of the reports
06:01	eythian	it would have needed a fair bit of conversion, and was never used, so I figured I was better off removing it
06:01		yeah, notify_id has already gone
06:01	cait	in the patron accounts fine table and overdues reports
06:01		good - wanted to delete them for ages
06:02	eythian	they appear to be half implemented, but completely undocumented, so there was no effective way to reproduce them.
06:02	cait	yes
06:03		and nobody knows how it is supposed to work
06:03		better start from scratch
06:03	eythian	yep
06:04		heh, someone's gone through after the fact and attempted to document the overdues system. A lot of "what is this doing? I don't understand it" type comments.
06:04	* eythian	rewrites it in order to understand it.
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06:05	cait	sorry
06:05		low battery and breakfast time
06:05	eythian	fair enough :)
06:06	cait	I think if it's breakfast time here it means that you should go home :)
06:06	eythian	naw, another hour or two
06:06	cait	hehe ok - see you later :)
06:06	eythian	cya
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06:09	adnc	hello, i was following this documentation to install koha on an ubuntu installation http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu. unfortunately misc/sax_parser_print.pl gives me "Looks bad, check INSTALL.* documentation."
06:09		did someone had similar issues?
06:10	eythian	I think the INSTALL files talk about sax parser issues on Ubuntu/Debian.
06:10		there's a configuration you have to change.
06:10	adnc	eythian, the on described in that wikipages i did
06:10		/etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini in this file i added the two lines
06:11		LibXML::SAX::Parser]
06:11		http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces=1
06:11	eythian	you added them? or moved them to the bottom?
06:12	mtj	166     You will need to move the entire section for '[XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]'
06:12	AmitG	heya mtj
06:12	mtj	167     to the bottom of the ini file.
06:12	adnc	mtj this line is at the bottom of the file
06:12		let me pastebin that file
06:12	mtj	http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d1d44a012;hb=HEAD
06:13	adnc	http://pastebin.com/p67PvnUP
06:14	mtj	we should really remove the install instructions off the wiki, an replace them with links to the git repo
06:14		heya amit
06:15	adnc	I'm using 3.2.6 which i downloaded yesterday. the ubuntu installatino file is new to me
06:16	mtj	try removing everything but those 2 lines
06:16		after u save the orig. file ;)
06:17	adnc	this didn't help ;)
06:18	mtj	u have a typo
06:18	adnc	ohh where
06:18	mtj	[XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]
06:18		no leading bracket
06:19	adnc	mtj, i cant see the typo
06:19	mtj	and no [XML...
06:20	adnc	mhh
06:20	mtj	LibXML::SAX::Parser]
06:20		[XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]
06:20	adnc	[XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]
06:20		http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces = 1
06:20		is this wrong?
06:20	mtj	see the diff?
06:20		no, looks correct
06:21		Move these two lines to the end of the file:
06:21	adnc	the documentation you pointed to INSTALL.ubuntu also talks about '[XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]'
06:21	mtj	[XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]
06:21		http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces=1
06:21	adnc	mtj these to lines are at the end of that file
06:21		I've a pastebin with the content of that file above
06:23	mtj	last resort
06:23		comment out your other lines
06:23		sudo cpan XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser
06:24	adnc	ok
06:24		is semicolon ; or hash # comment there?
06:25	mtj	#
06:26	adnc	XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser is up to date (1.70).
06:26		XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser=HASH(0x81fe220)
06:26		You have:
06:26		XML::LibXML::SAX=HASH(0x8719338)
06:26		Looks bad, check INSTALL.* documentation.
06:27		mhh
06:28	mtj	pass, i only run Koha on deb boxes
06:28	adnc	mtj thank you very much
06:30		what is the minimum ressources I would need to run  koha?
06:32	eythian	adnc: it depends what you're doing with it. But I'd give it a minimum of 20GB disk and 2GB RAM. That'll be comfortable for most installations.
06:33		you could get away with less for a small library where it's not used all that often. If it's large or busy, you might want more.
06:35	adnc	I would like to use it for my own small library
06:35		for my family. would you recommend using koha or is there a smaller alternative?
06:35	eythian	oh, then you'd be able to be quite a bit smaller.
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06:37	eythian	I'm not sure of alternatives. But if it's small and low use, there aren't really any minimum specs, so long as you can fit mysql and apache in there.
06:39	adnc	koha looks good, unfortunately i used a vmware image from koha.org because of not able to get sax work properly on my ubuntu box
06:39	eythian	my usual recommendation is to run it on Debian Squeeze from the packages.
06:40		But if you're putting it on a desktop, that may not be an option.
06:40		the packages apparently work on Ubuntu, but I don't know if that'll avoid the sax parser problem or not.
06:41	adnc	i've a tiny atom box which runs a t2 linux with archivista as a document management system with 2gb on ram. i suppose it will be lots of work getting koha run on it
06:42	eythian	For test purposes when travelling I run Koha in a VM on a little atom laptop. It's not speedy but it works.
06:43	adnc	sounds good, the problem would be with the t2 linux it has no packageing system
06:43	eythian	yeah, that could be a lot more work.
06:43	adnc	on the other hand that box runs 24h
06:44	eythian	if you have the ability to install things from CPAN you should be able to get everything in there though.
06:44		it might just take a while.
06:44	adnc	archivista is a strange way of open source, i might change it if i find an alternative
06:44		with debian
06:44	clrh	Hi
06:45	eythian	I don't think I've even heard of archivista
06:45	adnc	archivista.ch
06:46		it is a document management system
06:48	eythian	ah, looks nifty
06:48	adnc	there is a demo aswell
06:48		principally not bad, but if you look at the support forum and read a bit
06:48		than you might think twice about it
06:49	eythian	yeah, it looks very quiet :)
06:50	adnc	and that although the project is quite old. i think most of the people just do not want that pseudo open source software
06:50	eythian	yeah
06:51		keep in mind that Koha can't replace that, as it doesn't store documents.
06:51		(currently, anyway)
06:51	adnc	no, sure, i'm just looking for ways cataloging my books
06:51	eythian	OK
06:52		well, that's what Koha is good at :)
06:52	adnc	i just see that i can use installations through cpan
06:52		which cpan packages do i need
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06:53	eythian	adnc: I'm not sure, there's a lot of them
06:53		I think the makefile might be able to tell you.
06:54		as in, if you run it and stuff is missing, it might give you a list.
06:54	francharb	morning #koha
06:54	eythian	francharb: hiya
06:54	adnc	morning
06:57	eythian	I think my module rewrite is going to make Koha smaller in the end, with the amount of unused code I'm stripping out...
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06:58	eythian	francharb / sophie_m: is the hackfest starting up again for Thursday?
07:00	sophie_m	yes
07:00	eythian	awesome :)
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07:07	cait	hm... still asleep
07:07	* cait	waves
07:08	* magnuse	waves
07:09	cait	@wunder Konstanz
07:09	huginn	cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0�C (9:00 AM CEST on April 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Rising).
07:09	magnuse	@wunder bodo, norway
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07:10	magnuse	@wunder marseille
07:10	huginn	magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0�C (9:00 AM CEST on April 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
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07:11	eythian	does 'branchoverdues.pl' ring any bells? it doesn't appear to be referenced anywhere.
07:11	* eythian	prepared to delete it
07:11	eythian	*prepares
07:12	magnuse	do it, do it!
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07:12	eythian	oh wait, it's referenced in circulation-home
07:12	cait	do it!
07:12		oh...
07:12	magnuse	better not do it then :-)
07:13	cait	is it the report ?
07:13	eythian	it's the 'overdues with fines' link there
07:13	cait	there are 2 overdues reports on circ one with fines
07:13		oh, keep it!
07:13		:)
07:13	eythian	damn, that means I've got to rewrite a chunk of it :)
07:13	* eythian	prefers just deleting things :)
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07:14	adnc	is it easy to make backups of the catalog? is there a documentation ?
07:14	eythian	it's riddled with levels stuff.
07:14		adnc: you can mysqldump, or you can export as MARC.
07:15		the former from the OS, the latter within Koha.
07:15	adnc	is the database from the vmware image of koha.org equal to the one from koha-community?
07:15	eythian	It's strongly recommended to not use anything on koha.org
07:15		it's out of date.
07:16	adnc	i understand
07:16	eythian	although, I suspect the vmware image there is done by a third party
07:16		so may be more up to date.
07:16	adnc	but is there a vmware image from the community
07:16	eythian	Then I expect it's close enough that an auto upgrade will take care of it.
07:17		oh, the notify stuff in here is different to the notify stuff in accounts. That's good.
07:19	cait	eythian: it's not used
07:19		eythian: I never managed to get content into those columsn
07:19	eythian	ah. hmm. So is that report used at all?
07:19	cait	it's the thing I was talking about earlier
07:19		yes
07:20	eythian	OK
07:20	cait	but youhave columns that never show any content
07:20	eythian	cait: no, the notify stuff in the fines is different
07:20	cait	so if you could kick them out it would be nice :)
07:20		oh?
07:20		so what are those columns for?
07:20	eythian	oh wait
07:20	magnuse	adnc: if yo are unfamiliar with mysqldump there are some tips here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Mysqldump_Library
07:20	eythian	similar-but-different maybe
07:21		I think there's two things trying to do similar things.
07:21		The accountlines notify is going.
07:21		But this other thing is just very confusing
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07:21	cait	hmpf.
07:23	eythian	hmm, I might just remove the notify stuff too. I can reimplement it in a better way if needed.
07:23	cait	yay!
07:24	eythian	it'll be spending a long time just in master, so issues will have plenty of time to be found.
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07:37	cait	eythian: :)
07:41	hdl	hi rangi
07:41		Have you pushed a fix for bug 6085 ?
07:41	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6085 blocker, P5, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Can't Change language both in OPAC and staff client
07:45	adnc	i did a update on the koha management console, now when i try to access the user interface from the webbrowser i get a system maintenance message displaying. how can i get read of it?
07:46	eythian	go back to the admin console, it may need something more from you.
07:47	adnc	nothing that i could see of.
07:47		it is the vmware image i'm using
07:47	magnuse	adnc: you probably need to visit the intranet and do a database upgrade
07:47	eythian	magnuse: that's what I just said :)
07:48		(in different words)
07:48	adnc	how can this be done?
07:48	eythian	adnc: it asks you as soon as you try to go to the admin interface
07:48	adnc	i saw that it did a pull from the git
07:48		how do i get to the admin interface
07:48	eythian	oh
07:48	adnc	?
07:49	eythian	depends how it's set up, but likely http://address:8080
07:49	adnc	i see
07:49		that works, but what is the default password?
07:49		and user
07:50	eythian	hmm, possibly kohaadmin / katikoan
07:50	adnc	yes ;)
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07:52	eythian	in that case, magnuse was right and I was unclear :)
07:55	adnc	what do the libraries already listed mean. like centerville, fairfield, fairview etc.
07:55	eythian	they're defaults.
07:55		or, examples rather
07:55	adnc	do they contain books?
07:55	eythian	Depends if you installed them/the vm maker installed them.
07:55		Probably not though
07:56	adnc	anything i could learn with them?
07:57	eythian	I'd start by learning how to delete them, to be honest :)
07:57	cait	we don't have example records in the sample files - so probably not
07:57	eythian	anyone know how to do a DBI bind parameter to a query with 'IN'? Do I do '... IN ?' and pass an arrayref?
08:00	cait	no idea
08:00	eythian	according to the docs, no.
08:00		have to create a placeholder for each one.
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08:15	* eythian	goes home. Later all
08:17	adnc	i'm sorry asking simple questions but I'm really new to koha. What does Authorized values mean?
08:18	cait	bye eythian
08:18		adnc: it's a way to define lists of values that are used in several places in koha
08:19	adnc	mhh
08:19		cait, thanks
08:20		is the admin user interface language available in german?
08:20	cait	yes :)
08:20	adnc	cool, where?
08:20	cait	bist du aus Deutschland?
08:21		adnc: I am from Germany
08:21	adnc	jaaa
08:21		;)
08:22	cait	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client
08:22		und
08:22	adnc	danke
08:22	cait	translate.koha-community.org
08:23		welche Version möchtest du installieren?
08:24	adnc	cait ich habe zum testen die vmware version leider von koha.org nehmen müssen. ich spiele ein wenig herum. die koha-community version (aktuelle) bekam ich auf ubuntu noch nicht zu laufen
08:27	cait	pm
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08:28	clrh	is jared here?
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08:30	cait	clrh: might be a bit too early for him
08:30	clrh	ok thank you cait  ;)
08:30	cait	np ;)
08:33	clrh	julian: 2011-03-29 13:08:20 UTC StatusNEWASSIGNED
08:33		oups
08:34		julian http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5916 why don't you change the status?
08:34	huginn	04Bug 5916: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Don't show the link to edit authorities to people who don't have permissions to edit
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08:35	clrh	ok found sorry
08:35	kmkale	cait++
08:35		:)
08:35	cait	kmkale?
08:35	kmkale	hehe
08:36		for being a very helpful soul :)
08:39	cait	kmkale: hmpf
08:42	clrh	rangi: When we have a "sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/Accounts.pm)" on a patch which needs signed off - what should I do (long patch)?
08:42	magnuse	rangi still around? would you mind having a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n_a_pushed_branch and seeing if it makes sense?
08:43	clrh	hx magnuse
08:43		+t
08:45	marcelr	magnuse: hi; if a signoff patch corrects something in the patch, i would prefer to see it on bugzilla too
08:47	magnuse	marcelr: that makes sens, yes
08:48	marcelr	read it quickly, only small remark
08:53	magnuse	marcelr: the one about corrected patches above, or seomthing else?
08:53	marcelr	yes
08:54	magnuse	i'm just trying to figure this out myself, so all corrections and enhancements are welcome!
08:56	cait	marcelr: round?
08:56	marcelr	yes
08:57		cait?
08:57	wahanui	cait is a competent programmer AND really sweet.
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08:57	cait	hmpf.
08:58		I was looking at bug 4839
08:58	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4839 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED, Adjust default values for MARC21 authority Fixed-Length Data Elements
08:58	cait	can you help me testing this?
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08:58	marcelr	of course..
08:59		shall i add a few lines to bugzilla today?
09:00		will do that, leaving for short now..
09:01	cait	ok
09:01		thx
09:04		marcelr: working on bug 3072 now :)
09:04	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
09:06	rangi	magnuse: yep that makes sense
09:07	magnuse	thanks, rangi
09:07		but there is a problem...
09:07	rangi	you can always push them to a branch and issue a pull request
09:07		after you have signed off
09:07		if there many, or big patches
09:08	magnuse	after doing git commit --amend -c de96e09a48b for seven patches in one branch only the last one is showing my amended commit message, with the [SIGNED-OFF]
09:09		(seven amends with different commit IDs, of course...)
09:09		rangi: so a pushing to a branch on e.g. github and sending a pull request would be an alternative to sending lots of patches?
09:10	rangi	aahhh
09:10		do a git commit --amend -s
09:10		-c
09:10		-s to sign off
09:11		you can sign off on the commit, or on the patch, or when you apply a patch .. lots of ways to do it
09:11		but for this use case, signing off when you amend is probably best
09:11	magnuse	so that would be git commit --amend -s -c de96e09a48bf49ada9337470ed4571b1a58cc174 ?
09:11		adding the -s?
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09:15	rangi	yep
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09:20	cait	rangi++
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09:22	magnuse	hm, i did "git commit --amend -s -c 130467d..." for 7 commits, adding [SIGNED-OFF] to the first line of the commit message, but when i do git log it's just the one at the top that shows the [SIGNED-OFF]...
09:25	rangi	yeah that bit doesnt actually matter
09:25		its the bit at the bottom
09:25		Signed-off-by: fdurand <frederic.duranduniv-lyon2.fr>
09:25		that actually matters
09:26	magnuse	ah, ok cool
09:27		and should the signed off patches be attached to the bug in bugzilla too?
09:28	rangi	a link to the git repo they are in is fine
09:30	magnuse	so rather in a git repo than as attachements in bugzilla? (sorry for being very detailed, i'd just like to have the correct procedure nailed down...)
09:30	rangi	either is fine
09:31	magnuse	ok
09:31		cool
09:31	rangi	sophie_m: did you miss sending the signed off patch for 6104?
09:33	sophie_m	rangi : I don't think so... I check
09:36	rangi	i cant seem to find it, either on the bug or the mailing list
09:36	* cait	accidently chose the wrong authorities file... 30000 authority records being imported and reindexed now
09:42	marcelr	cait: thx for 3072
09:42	cait	marcelr: thx to you for fixing it - our customer was complaining about that and I found no time to investigate :(
09:43		the searchs makes much more sense now
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09:44	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6105 - Fix a problem when cancel a reserve from moremember.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dd55a3061fe7924ed> / bug 4903: enable OAI-DC output when install done in standard mode <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c343e6ac1f7bd46f6> / bug6064 adding forgotten news version in kohaversion <http://git.koha-communi
09:46	sophie_m	rangi : mail sent directly to koha-patches list. Waiting for moderation
09:47	hdl	rangi: have you already pushed a fix for language selection on Template Toolkit ?
09:47	rangi	no
09:50		havent had a chance to even look at it today
09:51	hdl	ok. I think it will be difficult for me to take a look at that.
09:52		but will try
09:52	rangi	not really
09:53		look at C4/Template.pm
09:53		C4/Templates.pm
09:53		line 51
09:53		you will spot the problem right away :)
09:56	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6084: Follow up - fix more translation markers <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]847726f363768f578> / Bug 6084: Missing translation markers in javascript alert messages <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bfa85d70bf60ee587>
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09:59	rangi	what the hell???
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10:00	magnuse	?
10:00		o/
10:00	druthb	hi magnus.  :)
10:00	rangi	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12983734
10:01		if i read that right, we cant hash passwords in france anymore
10:01	* rangi	hopes the challengers win
10:02	magnuse	heh
10:03	paul_p	rangi, you're right (& I hope that ASIC will win !)
10:03	rangi	me too
10:03	paul_p	sometimes politicians don't nothing to a subject and vote totally stupid & dangereous laws...
10:03	rangi	yeah
10:03	hdl	rangi: spotting the problem ok. and easy... But solving it not so.
10:04	magnuse	huh? i do "git push github bug5422so" but only one of the commits on the bug5422so branch show up on github?!?
10:05	rangi	hdl: i think what is needed is copying themelanguage from C4/Output.pm into C4/Templates.pm (and making some changes)
10:05		actually it might not need any changes at all, at first glance
10:05		but is a good excuse to refactor ;)
10:05	hdl	Well. I would like C4::Template not to rely on query
10:06		since it should have to be passed all the way down.
10:06		And I donot want to add one line to all the pl scripts.
10:06		This would be not efficient.
10:07	rangi	i think it is passed to it already
10:07	hdl	I haven't seen it
10:07	rangi	or it could just make it
10:08	magnuse	lunchtime in marseille!
10:08	rangi	ill have a think some more
10:09		maybe themelanguage belongs in its own module
10:09		tomorrow i hope to be able to work on template stuff
10:10		and then back to pushing in the weekend
10:10		but now, im gonna sleep :) happy lunching
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10:25		* Sophie Meynieux: Bug #6064 Improvement of default value usage in overdue
10:25		* Stéphane Delaune: bug6064 adding forgotten news version in kohaversion
10:25		* Galen Charlton: bug 4903: enable OAI-DC output when install done in standard mode
10:25	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6064 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Improvement of default value usage in overdue
10:25	jenkins_koha	* Alex Arnaud: Bug 6105 - Fix a problem when cancel a reserve from moremember.pl
10:26	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4903 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, OAI doesn't work out of the box - XSL path
10:26		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6105 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Cancel a reserve from moremember.pl doesn't work
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10:30	marcelr	cait: 4839: some lines added for testing.
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10:38	adnc	is it possible to extract latex, bibtex entries from books in koha?
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10:39	conan	hi all
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10:58	adnc	the z39.50 search only searches in us based libraries. is it possible to add german libraries?
11:06	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #135: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/135/
11:06		* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 6084: Missing translation markers in javascript alert messages
11:06		* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 6084: Follow up - fix more translation markers
11:06	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6084 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Missing translation markers in javascript alert messages
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11:20	tcohen	adnc: both yes
11:21	adnc	tcohen i found one called pollux.bsz-bw.de which i added
11:21		unfortunately the results do not show the umlauts
11:21	tcohen	there are several parameters you need to know
11:22	adnc	i just see that library of congress results do also not show the umlautes
11:22	tcohen	don't know what 'umlauts' is
11:22	adnc	ä, ü,
11:23	tcohen	i use zotero for saving book entries, I then export to whatever format I need
11:23		ah, you mean you're having some encoding problem
11:23	adnc	tcohen, yes
11:24		i search z39.50 for a book
11:24		the results are displayed but the encoding is wrong
11:24	tcohen	are you sure you chose the right encoding in the server configuration?
11:24		(marc-8, utf8, etc)
11:25	adnc	well, library of congress was preset with marc21 and utf-8, i suppose that is right. pollux.bsz-bw.de is also marc21 and utf-8
11:25		both show the same problem
11:26	tcohen	i don't know the details, but you could use yaz-client to connect to SRU the server
11:26		and test what the raw output looks like
11:26	adnc	how?
11:26	tcohen	yaz-client hostname:port
11:27	adnc	i've established a connection, how can i than ask?
11:28		and search for a title
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11:45	adnc	can someone please tell me what "Source of classification or shelving scheme" mens
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11:51	jwagner	adnc, it's what class scheme the call number is using -- LC, Dewey, whatever.
11:52	adnc	i imported the book description from a german university via z39.50, which class scheme is it than?
11:55	jwagner	Your item can be whatever you want it to be.  If there are defaults set in the MARC record (assuming US MARC -- I don't know about UNIMARC), it would be the 082a for Dewey or 050ab for LC
11:56	adnc	jwagner, could you tell me please what a patron is?
12:00	jwagner	patrons are your borrower records -- your library staff and users who borrow materials from your library
12:01	adnc	jwagner, thank you very much
12:01		so everyone who is involved in borrowing, adding books etc.
12:02	jwagner	Correct.  Staff patron records need to be set up with permissions to use the staff client; regular patrons just need a record with appropriate patron categories
12:02		What version are you on?
12:03	adnc	jwagner, I'm unfortunately with a vmware version I use for playing and learning koha which i have from koha.org. i'm working on a community-version installation.
12:04	jwagner	The community manual site might be of help: http://koha-community.org/documentation/
12:04	adnc	thank you very much
12:04		nice project, nice community
12:04		i see that there are names in the patron list
12:04		where do they come from
12:06	jwagner	did you load the sample data set?
12:06	adnc	no
12:06		not that i know of, maybe it was preinstalled in that vmware image
12:08	jwagner	I don't know anything about the vmware image but some of the people who developed them are usually on here, so maybe they know.
12:09	kmkale	brb
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12:09	tcohen	#koha: is 3.0.x still maintained?
12:11		i've found that XSLT.pm doesn't care about syspref filenames for xslts
12:12	jwagner	tcohen, do you mean that in 3.0 XSLT doesn't obey sysprefs?
12:12	tcohen	exactly
12:12		XSLTDetailFilename and XSLTResultsFilename
12:12	jcamins_away	Is t/db_dependent/Biblio.t working for anyone?
12:12	tcohen	i've fixed that for our libraries
12:13		and wanted to know if those 3' that would take commiting that are worth the trouble
12:14	jwagner	Yep.  I fixed that starting in Bug 3108 and Bug 3788 -- other things have been added later
12:14	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3108 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, XSLT stylesheet does not obey URLLinkText syspref
12:14		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3788 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, XSLT does not obey viewISBD syspref
12:14	jwagner	Frederic Demains came up with the original fix.
12:14	tcohen	oh, there's already a fix?
12:15	jwagner	fredericd's original fix allowed for including sysprefs in the data being sent to XSLT.  You have to add new sysprefs as the need arises, then modify the XSLT to read those variables and do something about them.
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12:17	jwagner	See also Bug 3098 and Bug 3545
12:17	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, XSLT stylesheet does not obey OPACURLOpenInNewWindow syspref
12:17		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3545 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, XSLT Stylesheet displays material type, format, audience icons based on leader/008 settings
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12:24	oleonard	Good morning all, I'm here to fish for answers again: http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg01231.html
12:24	cait	hi oleornard
12:26	* jwagner	gives oleonard some tasty bait for his fishing, but can't help otherwise
12:27	cait	we are in past lunch ... coma
12:27	jwagner	Are you guys taunting us again?  More pizza today, or something else?
12:29	tcohen	jwagner: at some point in 3.0.x  there where introduced two variables: XSLTDetailFilename and XSLTResultsFilename
12:29		which are used to specify the xslt's to be used
12:29	jwagner	tcohen, I didn't do those, but I think they came in when the staff XSLT support was introduced
12:30	tcohen	XSLT.pm DOESN'T use those variables, it has hardcoded a path to .../prog/en/xslt
12:30		so i'm not sure those bugs are related
12:31		directly to my question
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12:31	jwagner	The current head XSLT.pm shouldn't have the hardcoded path
12:31		it builds it something like staff/opac + theme directory + language + filename
12:31	tcohen	in master, there is a multi-language approach
12:31	cait	tcohen: I think in 3.2 it works
12:32		the sys prefs and xslt translation
12:32	jwagner	See recent discussion of that section in Bug 4447
12:32	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4447 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Allow external URL/storage location for XSLT stylesheets
12:32	tcohen	in 3.0.x it works too, the thing is there are variables for specifying the desired xslt files in filesystem
12:32		jwagner: thanks
12:34	magnuse	jwagner: yes, more taunting. today we dove to the beach and had an "asian" lunch buffet - very nice!
12:34		s/dove/drove/
12:34	jwagner	Harrumph!!!
12:34	cait	with a great view to the sea
12:34		:)
12:35	jwagner	My refined sensibilities are stopping me from quoting a relevant line or two from Monty Python and the Holy Grail....
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12:38	magnuse	hehe
12:39	* jwagner	warns that if there's any more taunting I will issue the command "fetchez la vache!"
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12:40	* cait	waves to clrh
12:40	cait	jwagner threatened us with something in french when we don't stop talking about the nice lunch we had
12:41		it's good we don't speak french :)
12:41	jwagner	More accurately, it was a Monty Python bad-French quote!
12:42	hdl	tcohen: If you want to send patches... You may. Though I am to ask the community whether a 3.0.7 is still required.
12:42	tcohen	ok
12:44	gmcharlt	good morning
12:44		hdl: regarding question - security updates are  it for 3.0.x, IMO
12:45	hdl	gmcharlt: ok
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12:49	oleonard	gmcharlt: I throw myself at your knowledgeable feet: http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg01231.html
12:50	gmcharlt	oleonard: the former is correct - i.e., you can change it, but then must run batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl
12:51	* gmcharlt	also takes this opportunity to dub thee Sir Owen of the Cascading Styles
12:51	cait	oleonard++
12:51	oleonard	Do you think it would be appropriate to move that warning to marc_subfields_structure.pl ?
12:51	gmcharlt	oleonard: yes
12:52	oleonard	Thank you!
12:52		gmcharlt++
12:53		being_a_persistent_pest++
12:53	* chris_n	thinks 3.2.7 may have a record number of fixes in it
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12:58	JesseM	morning #Koha
12:59	cait	chris_n: how many are there?
13:00	chris_n	not sure of the total, but there's a pile going into master
13:01	* chris_n	will have a better idea after the next run of cherry-picking
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13:11	tcohen	jwagner, cait, hdl: the bug was invalid. My sysprefs where not in good shape
13:12		I don't know how that happen, updatedatabase30.pl was putting the right names...
13:12	jwagner	Those darned sysprefs.  They do that out of sheer spite, sometimes!
13:12	tcohen	XSLTDetailFilename was XSLTDetailsFilename in my database
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13:31	cait	jcamins: need the duct tape?
13:31	jcamins_away	cait: no, I was having some issues getting IRSSI to behave the way I wanted.
13:32		Also, I had to restart my server because it was reporting 4GB of the 512MB of RAM in use.
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13:49	cait	oleonard: around?
13:49	oleonard	Yes
13:51	cait	ah
13:51		I was confusing bugs
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13:51	cait	sorry!
13:53	paul_p	magnuse++ and cait++ for testing frog legs today :D ( and liking it :D )
13:53	* cait	hides
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13:53	gmcharlt	paul_p: so, how does write a test case for frog legs?
13:53	* cait	waves to francharb from her hiding place
13:53	magnuse	paul_p: where do we sign off on them?
13:53	* jwagner	warned you! Fetchez la vache!!!!
13:53	francharb	cait: i cant see you...
13:53		oh wait
13:54		i see your hands
13:54		;)
13:54	cait	hehe
13:54	francharb	jwagner: Fetchez la vache?
13:54	paul_p	cait, do you really think you're hidden by Mark ?
13:55	jwagner	Monty Python quote.  I warned them what would happen if they kept taunting about their great lunch....
13:55	francharb	hehe
13:55	jwagner	There are other quotes I could use....
13:55	paul_p	tommorrow, cait & magnuse will try a typically marseille meal. not the bouillabaisse (much too expensive), but the aioli
13:56	cait	aioli?
13:56		garlic?
13:56	jwagner	Harrumph!
13:56	magnuse	garlic++
13:56	cait	paul_p: :P
13:57	paul_p	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aioli is a small part of the aioli. It's just the mayonnaise. The full  aioli comes with veggetables & fish
13:57	magnuse	russel_garlick++ even
13:58	francharb	friday is garlic orgy day in france! ;)
13:59		just kidding
13:59	Guillaume	Ah, french food !
14:00	* magnuse	could do with an overdose of garlic
14:05	kmkale	is there anything like a autobarcode for serials?
14:07	cait	hm in theory the same plugin should work
14:08	paul_p	cait & kmkale = Just submitted a patch today because there was a bug here !
14:08		some framework specifications where not used by ACQ (or serial) item creation.?
14:08		one of them being plugins.
14:09	kmkale	humm thanks paul_p
14:09	cait	paul_p: marked failed qa - didn't work for me
14:09	paul_p	so on koha 3.2.x, it won't work.
14:09	* cait	hides better
14:09	paul_p	cait, didn't worked or didn't apply ?
14:09	cait	didn't work
14:09		got the ... but didn't work
14:09		tested with acq date
14:09	paul_p	mmm... I tested it and everything was OK
14:10		I got the ... and a popup appeared as expected
14:10	cait	I still have the branch
14:10		hm. perhaps we are talking about different htings?
14:10	kmkale	also in koha 3.03.00.004 when I create a new subscription, I get weird date in "History end date" even though I have not entered any manual history. This then prevents me from receiving that serial
14:10	cait	ther eis no popup for the items plugins
14:12	kmkale	with an error "Date::Calc::Delta_Days(): Not a valid date at /home/kk/kohaclone/C4/Serials.pm line 1612"
14:13		If I click "cancel manual history" and save the subscription, the "History end date" is blanked out and then I can receive the serials.
14:14	jwagner	I could _swear_ that item non-public notes used to show in staff mode, in the holdings table along with the other item columns.  But I've checked at several version levels and am not seeing them. Am I hallucinating?  Or did they go away at some point?
14:16	oleonard	Bug 4222
14:16	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4222 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Nonpublic note not appearing in the staff client
14:18	chris_n	what recall :)
14:18	oleonard	Yes, Bugzilla has excellent recall ;)
14:18	jwagner	Hmmm.  The non-public notes has apparently been mapped to the paidfor fields for a long time -- the patch is creating a new field & changing that mapping?
14:19	gmcharlt	slef: btw, I forgot mention that I installed  the BugZilla::Owen module as well yesterday ;)
14:19	cait	oh, what does it do?
14:19	jwagner	Solves every problem in sight?
14:19	gmcharlt	cait: we just saw a demonstration ;)
14:19	cait	pestering people to get answers? :)
14:23	oleonard	It would be funny to have a bot that randomly pestered people based on their assignments in bugzilla
14:24	cait	hehe
14:25		something like: cait, have you forgotten about bug xxxx?
14:25	gmcharlt	bugzilla actually has a feature to do that, albeit via email
14:26	cait	but you can't feed cookies to mails
14:26	* oleonard	goes looking for the oldest outstanding non-enhancement bug and finds bug 2892
14:26	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2892 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Modification Log creates incorrect query
14:26	oleonard	That should look familiar, gmcharlt
14:26	tcohen	cait: in chromium Print > Quick slip doesn't work either
14:26	cait	tcohen: ouch
14:27	gmcharlt	oleonard: rather
14:27	sekjal	so, what about setting up whining (the BZ email out function), then turning the output to RSS, then having huginn bring that in?
14:27	tcohen	my patch just calls that function
14:27	cait	sekjal: love it :)
14:27	tcohen	(i.e. printx_window('qslip')
14:28	oleonard	gmcharlt: The second flaw listed by that bug looks valid, but could be a template change.
14:32	tcohen	#koha: anyone can confirm that in patron's checkout page
14:32	cait	tcohen: I could sign off on it with the caveat that it will not work on chromium?
14:33	tcohen	triggering "Quick slip" or "Print slip" desn't work at all in chrome/chromium and perhaps others than firefox??
14:34	gmcharlt	oleonard: are you able to reproduce that bug?
14:34	tcohen	i'm installing opera to test it too, but don't have iexplorer to test
14:34	oleonard	gmcharlt: The date limit one?
14:34	gmcharlt	right
14:35		asking because I can't
14:35		and the history shows a few bits that may have fixed that part of the bug as a side-effect
14:37	oleonard	gmcharlt: Yesterday when I was testing 6102 I made a change to a biblio record so it would have a modification log. Today if I search for that biblionumber I get no results
14:37	tcohen	oleonard, gmcharlt,rangi: there might be a blocker in master if we confirm printx_window javascript function is not being triggered/working properly
14:37	wizzyrea	un mo
14:37		testing slips
14:37	* wizzyrea	has a particular interest
14:37	gmcharlt	oleonard: ok, I'll try again
14:37	* magnuse	bets she has more then one too ;-)
14:38	sekjal	how does Koha determine which branch an item is allowed to be returned to?
14:38	oleonard	gmcharlt: I left "all" selected under "module" and entered the biblionumber in the Object field.
14:38	cait	if the problem is only for chromium it might be not a blocker... if it has never worked
14:38	paul_p	hackfest news = 156 bugs on 257 that were on biblibre/master are now on bugzilla or confirmed as irrelevant...
14:39	cait	sekjal: I think ind branches is one of the things
14:39	gmcharlt	cait: I'd consider it a blocker; I think there are enough Koha users using Chrome
14:39	cait	seems you can only return ot the home branch when that it turned on
14:39	wizzyrea	homeorholdingbranchreturn may be another
14:39		i could be wrong on that, actually
14:39	sekjal	I see three possibly policies we could want to implement:
14:40	wizzyrea	@quote get 123
14:40	huginn	wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:40	wahanui	i already had it that way, huginn.
14:40	sekjal	issuing branch only (which should be the items.holdingbranch), either issuing branch or home branch, or any branch in the system
14:40	tcohen	cait: if is not a blocker, then you can sign-off on it
14:41	gmcharlt	oleonard: not seeing; could you try adding a 'die $query;' to after line 236 for C4/Logs.pm and see what the query looks like?
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14:41	tcohen	but i'd like that there where a bug in bugzilla saying printing slips doesn't work in chrome/chromium
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14:41	tcohen	i'm downloading opera right now to test
14:42	* wizzyrea	twiddles her thumbs while she waits for the db update
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14:44	oleonard	gmcharlt: SELECT * FROM   action_logs WHERE 1 AND action IN (?)  AND object = ?
14:44		Certainly looks like it should be working.
14:44	gmcharlt	what are you setting the action filter to?
14:45	oleonard	I didn't change it, so it was set to all
14:46	gmcharlt	around line 223 of C4/Logs.pm, what is $action set to?
14:46	cait	tcohen: keep me updated?
14:47		tcohen: lots of things happening around here - loosing track a little
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14:49	tcohen	cait: don't worry, i'll post anything I find
14:50	oleonard	gmcharlt: what do you mean?
14:51	gmcharlt	oleonard: I'm asking what the $action variable is set to; it should be blank if you've chosen 'all'
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14:56	cait	wizzyrea: around?
14:56	wizzyrea	yesm
14:57	cait	http://koha-community.org/docu[…]/faq/authorities/ has a wrong link to hte manual, - can this be fixed?
14:57		I know we are moving the manual
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14:57	wizzyrea	yep
14:59	* tcohen	installed windows on his box after several years (virtualbox )
14:59	oleonard	gmcharlt: If I warn $action at line 225, I get ARRAY(0x9e601f0)
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15:03	wizzyrea	the javascript print/close thing is a well known issue in chrome
15:03		it just doesn't work
15:03		(I just read about it)
15:04		it tries to load the page after the scripts fire, instead of before
15:04	rhcl	huggin: bug 5197
15:04	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5197 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, today's date on notices
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15:05	jcamins_away	floors--
15:08	cait	?
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15:08	rhcl	hugginn: bug 6099
15:08	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6099 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, pagination error on GROUP BY guided reports
15:08	pastebot0	"gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "oleonard: please try this" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/201
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15:11	rhcl	If a patch for a bug has been written, that will show up in bugzilla even before a signoff, right?
15:11	oleonard	gmcharlt: Making that changes gives me results if I leave "action" as "all." But before or after making that change selecting "modify" does *not* return results.
15:11	tcohen	anyone that has safari could please test if slip printing (quick slip and print slip) is working there?
15:11	oleonard	rhcl: Assuming someone attached the patch to the bug report.
15:12	rhcl	I have rumint (uh, that would be rumor intelligence (information)) that a patch was written for bug 5197
15:12	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5197 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, today's date on notices
15:12	rhcl	but I don't see the patch in bugzilla
15:13	wizzyrea	tcohen: similar sort of problem on safari, afaict
15:13	oleonard	No patch in bugzilla, no patch sent to the patches list (at least not identified with that bug number)
15:14	tcohen	wizzyrea: ack, i'll report a bug, it seems to be a problem with webkit
15:14	wizzyrea	it is
15:14		thx
15:15	magnuse	paul_p++ # for sharing useful bugzilla tricks
15:15	gmcharlt	oleonard: ay-yi-yi; yet another bug with the log viewer
15:16		fortunately, that can be fixed in the template
15:16		in the drop down for choosing the action filter
15:17		add should be ADD; del should be DELETE; mod should be MODIFY, issue shoudl be ISSUE, and return should be RETURN
15:17		(case differences don't matter today, but would matter if we ever require strict SQL)
15:19		oleonard: also, are you seeing that the list of log entries is displayed twice?
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15:19	oleonard	yES
15:19		*ahem*
15:20		Yes.
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15:20	* oleonard	's voice seems to be cracking
15:22	gmcharlt	oleonard: looks like that glitch was added in the commit for bug 6014 (99b49e2b1aa2e5d2629f1167e2b63c3b3158ffe8)
15:22	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6014 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Log viewer needs permissions
15:23	oleonard	Bad merge?
15:23	gmcharlt	seemingly
15:24		in fact, that bug with parsing the action was added in that patch as well
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15:33	matts	Hey hackfesters, this was my last day at hackfest... It was nice and fun seeing and working with you... Keep up the good work tomorrow ! ;)
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15:37	rhcl	is librarypolice.com somebody's private website, or for public use?
15:38	oleonard	it belongs to gmcharlt
15:39	rhcl	ic
15:39	gmcharlt	rhcl: what's up?
15:40	rhcl	ah, nothing. I see librarypolice is where the chat transcripts are stored, and was just wondering.
15:41	gmcharlt	yeah, I ought to set something up to get them automatically published to a k-c.org server one of these days
15:41	oleonard	rhcl: Regular #koha log is here: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today
15:44	francharb	bye all
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15:55	tcohen	cait: got it
15:57		oleonard: have you got a minute?
15:57	oleonard	Sure
15:57	tcohen	window.print() seems to wait for the page to render on Webkit
15:57		so... in moremember-receipt.tmpl
15:57		as we have
15:58		window.print;window.close
15:58		it looks like the close happens before window.print can accomplish its mission
15:58		(window.print asynchronous?)
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15:59	tcohen	if I wrap the window.print();window.close() thing inside a function
15:59		function printThenClose() {
15:59		window.print();
15:59		window.close();
15:59		}
15:59		and change body tag like this:
15:59	wahanui	tcohen: that doesn't look right
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15:59	tcohen	<body onload="printThenClose()">
16:00		it works fine
16:00	wizzyrea	tcohen: I think I did exactly that on the transit slip
16:00	* wizzyrea	checks to see if that one's broken
16:00	wizzyrea	(or something very similar, anyway)
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16:01	oleonard	tcohen: $(document).ready(function(){ printThenClose(); }); would be better than the onload I think
16:01	tcohen	if I postpone the printThenClose() until the page loads, IT WORKS
16:01		ok, I didn't use that
16:01		because I didn't see jquery there
16:01	oleonard	Test it, because it may require a "later" ready state than "document"
16:01		jquery is included by default on all pages.
16:02	tcohen	ok, i'll test
16:02	wizzyrea	this is how I did it on the transit slip, to fix a different problem
16:02		http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f55373355;hb=HEAD
16:03	tcohen	i've filled  a bug for this (bug 6126)
16:03	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers
16:03	oleonard	Yeah, basically the same thing
16:03	wizzyrea	but probably fixing the webkit problem on that slip accidentally :P
16:05		oleonard: i thought that for speed it wasn't included in the slips (but that was ages ago) did we change it?
16:05	* wizzyrea	plots changing things locally on the receipt if that's true
16:06	oleonard	wizzyrea: Hm, maybe you're right, I guess I'm not sure about that.
16:06	tcohen	wizzyrea is right
16:06	wizzyrea	i would be *for* including it on the slips
16:06	tcohen	'$ is not defined' for firebug
16:07	wizzyrea	(or at least testing out the speed with it included, it might be fast enough)
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16:08	wizzyrea	i would LOVE to make some things disappear from the receipts w/ jquery
16:08		love love love
16:09	tcohen	ui chief architect oleonard: what should we do? :-D
16:09	wizzyrea	for now probably do the <body onload="printandclose();">
16:09	tcohen	ack wikkyrea
16:10		I prefer printThenClose, thou
16:10		:-P
16:10	wizzyrea	I almost said "no way, I'm read only" and then I realized that you guys enhance my content every day
16:10		:P
16:11		re "wikkyrea"
16:11		tcohen: that's fine by me :)
16:12	tcohen	k and z keys are really far one from the other in a spanish keyboard
16:12		i really need less coffee in the morning
16:16	cait	only half day hackfest left for me :(
16:17		it's over for today too - have to go
16:17		and try pastis
16:17		bye all
16:17	tcohen	bye cait
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16:22	magnuse	au revoir #koha
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16:24	tcohen	oleonard, there is some cookies stuff that could dissapear once jquery.cookie is in
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16:27	tcohen	i think jquery.cookie will be included once patches for 5546 are approved
16:27		unless it is already in by one of your patches
16:29		if bug reporter and patch writer are the same person, who can close a bug?
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16:36	sekjal	idea:  splitting IndependantBranches into multiple system preferences, like IndependantBranchesHolds and IndependantBranchesItems?
16:36		break it down so that the independence is more granular, on a per-function basis?
16:37	gmcharlt	sekjal: possibly, but a counter-idea: introducing a hierarchhical library structure similar to Evergreen's
16:38		in any event, breaking the concept of independent branches apart (into indepdendent pieces, natch) is a good idea
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16:39	sekjal	I think starting with the "multiple sysprefs" approach for now, then moving to hierarchical branches, would be a way to go
16:39	gmcharlt	an alternative way to structure it would be to define a matrix of visibility rules
16:39		i.e., if you have 5 libraries
16:39		define a 5x5 matrix
16:40		where each entry in the matrix would have the following kinds of attributes: items mutually visibile, patrons mutually visible, holds mutually visible, etc.
16:40		i.e., have a structure that's even more general than a tree
16:41	sekjal	or, bring the permissions to do actions on other libraries' stuff down to the account permissions level
16:41		including things like "see other libraries stuff"
16:41		and then template those permissions on a per patrontype/branchcode basis
16:42	lac_mib	Hey guys, we're planning on moving our koha 3.02 installation from debian over to rhel, other than package and module dependencies, is there anything I should be aware of when migrating?  Changes to files that will need to be made?
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16:46	lac_mib	I'm just sort of asking in general, of course I could look at the install scripts and fix things step by step if there's discrepancies in package versions or something, but as far as koha configuration files go
16:46	gmcharlt	lac_mib: nothing occurs to me beyond dealing with the dependencies
16:46		out of curiosity, why make the switch?
16:47	wizzyrea	< is also curious
16:47	wahanui	okay, wizzyrea.
16:47	* wizzyrea	giggles
16:47	wizzyrea	wahanui: forget <
16:47	wahanui	wizzyrea: I forgot <
16:48	lac_mib	gmcharlt: Well, we've got a university-wide webapps cluster that's running RHEL 5, and we're trying to move to that and centralize things as opposed to having to maintain our own server and such.  Of course I prefer Debian for my servers :>
16:49	gmcharlt	lac_mib: ah, I see
16:49		any chance they could virtualize and let you continue to run Debian as the guest in a VM? ;)
16:50	lac_mib	gmcharlt: Hah, it's possible, but I would feel bad for the guy that already worked to get our dependencies taken care of :<
16:51	gmcharlt	more seriously, unless you have a ton of local customizations, your best bet might be to install a fresh copy of Koha on the cluster using the current RHEL instructions
16:51		then test, then dump and import your database to the new setup
16:51		that would most likely be less fiddly than attempt an in-place switch
16:52	lac_mib	gmcharlt: You know come to think of it I think they may have already done an installation and just need us to move our data over..
16:52	gmcharlt	in that case, a database import and dump followed by a rebuild_zebra may be all that's needed
16:52	lac_mib	Of course we do have template customizations and such but those aren't any problem to move over
16:55		Well thanks for the help, I know that was a .. large..  question
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16:59	sekjal	manual says once IndependantBranches is set, it shouldn't be changed... but doesn't say why
17:00		and I can't think what data it would corrupt to change it
17:01	gmcharlt	sekjal: IIRC, it's not data corruption per se, it's that turning indybranches on after having it off would mean that you'd have things like items out on loan to patrons at the "wrong" library
17:01	sekjal	but turning if off if it was on before would just open more possibilities
17:02	gmcharlt	agreed
17:04	sekjal	I think enough other system preferences and system rules have come into place to let libraries configure their level of independence without having this ON
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17:28	gmcharlt	@later tell paul_p is the law referred to in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12983734 relevant to libraries in France?
17:28	huginn	gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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17:49	wizzyrea	tcohen yay, you're back
17:49		are you going to hit all of the slips?
17:49		I had a mind to double check all of them for the webkit issues
17:49	tcohen	ok
17:50	wizzyrea	but I didn't want to start that project if you had already started it :)
17:50	tcohen	i didn't know there where various slips :-D
17:50	rangi	there are a few, checking them all would be great
17:50	tcohen	./circ/hold-transfer-slip.pl
17:50	wizzyrea	whoo hoo! okies, yep, there are transit slips (already fixed) and the quick slip
17:50	rangi	you can use the same bugnumber for them all
17:50	tcohen	./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/m​odules/circ/hold-transfer-slip.tmpl
17:51	wizzyrea	and the fines slips
17:51	tcohen	i'll check them
17:51	wizzyrea	coolio
17:51	tcohen	'as i walk through the valley of the shadow of death.."
17:51	wizzyrea	hold-transfer is the one I liked earlier, it should be good
17:51		s/liked/linked
17:52	tcohen	i'll check them
17:52	* wizzyrea	gives tcohen cookies for the trouble
17:52	wizzyrea	thanks :D
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17:57	rangi	ok
17:57		straw poll
17:58		do people like the idea of gett huginn to follow the needs-signoff rss feed from bugzilla
17:58		so that whenever a bug is marked needs sign off he tells us about it?
17:58	* wizzyrea	is for it
17:58	sekjal	sounds neat to me
17:58	druthb	+1
17:58	rangi	s/gett/getting/
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18:09	rangi	right, no one said no, thats good enough for me to pester gmcharlt about it
18:13	tcohen	wizzyrea: should grep -R 'window.print' *  hit all the files (and more)?
18:16		wizzyrea_away: you owe me some cookies
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18:17	gmcharlt	@reload
18:17	huginn	gmcharlt: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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18:21	gmcharlt	@needsignoff
18:21	huginn	gmcharlt: [Bug 3448] tmpl_process3 fails on marc21_field_007.tmpl - backport needed <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3448> / [Bug 3498] Allow partial fine payments <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3498> / [Bug 4994] ldap mapping inconsistancy: Net::LDAP returns lowercase names <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4994> / [Bug 5453] (34 more messages)
18:21	gmcharlt	rangi: I now consider myself unpestered ;)
18:22	rangi	:)
18:23		will it pipe up like it does for commits, or do we need to run the command every so often?
18:23	gmcharlt	it'll pipe up automatically
18:26	rangi	w00t
18:26		thank you
18:33	huginn	New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6120] Add search links in detail pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6120>
18:34	rangi	there we go
18:35		thats actually a 3.6 one
18:35		missed the feature freeze
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18:35	tcohen	if I close a bug should it appear?
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18:36	rangi	tcohen: only ones that become need signoff
18:36		or it would just be too noisy
18:36	tcohen	you mean we close bugs too often?
18:37		:-D
18:37	adnc	is there a way deleting a bunch of patrons. i've many default users, they came with the vmware image. is it possible to delete them in a sort of bach process?
18:37	rangi	well we close them when we do a release, it would be a pile at once (we mark them resolved before that)
18:38		adnc: not from inside koha no
18:38	adnc	rangi, what is the regular way deleting users?
18:38		patrons
18:38	rangi	one by one
18:38	adnc	where can i do this
18:38	rangi	i really do suggest the manual :)
18:39		and perhaps starting with a livecd or installing from packages, if you got that vm image from koha.org its old and out of date
18:40	adnc	i did an update, and it downloaded the git source
18:41		which now is the community version. i would like to play around till i install it on a local server
18:41	rangi	adnc: s/community/real/ :)
18:41	adnc	could you tell me how to localize to german? the admin
18:41		rangi, ;) yes
18:41	rangi	hmm didnt cait help you with that?
18:41	adnc	you gave me  a wiki link, which i lost unfortunately
18:42		http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]con10_Translators i found this one, but there is no real information to it
18:42	rangi	yeah thats cos its to do with the kohaconference :)
18:43		ok
18:43		go to misc/translator
18:43		in there , there is a file translate
18:43	adnc	yes
18:44	rangi	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_your_translation
18:44		./translate install de-DE
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18:44	adnc	its doing something, i used de-DE
18:44		will this only be for the backend?
18:46	rangi	both
18:46		but you have to switch on the systempreferences
18:46	adnc	could i do this for other languages too?
18:47	rangi	yes
18:48		http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=c18#l18nprefs
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18:48	rangi	hi NateC
18:48	adnc	thank you very much, that worked great
18:48	rangi	cool
18:49	adnc	unfortunately i can't find anything for deletion of patrons in the docu
18:49	rangi	just go to a patron record
18:49		in the more dropdown, on the right
18:49		should be a delete link
18:50		find it?
18:51		http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz[…]?borrowernumber=3
18:51		user:staff pass:staff1
18:52	adnc	unfortunately there is only save and cancel
18:52	gmcharlt	adnc: I think you went one step too far
18:53		you can't delete if you're in edit mode for a patron record
18:53	adnc	yes, you are right
18:54	rangi	i think there was work on a batch delete at some point
18:54		for things like schools
18:54	adnc	i see that the opac login for the patrons are all there opac numbers and a passwort. is this somehow set automatically?
18:54	rangi	but i havent seen working code for it
18:54		you just made a new one?
18:54		or are you looking at the ones the vm set up?
18:55		by default a new user will have no password (not be able to login)
18:55	adnc	rangi, those in the vm
18:55		for my user, i have set up username and password
18:56	rangi	yep, thats what you generally have to do, i lot of ppl use the cardnumber as username
18:56	adnc	i just see that the vm users do all have there cardnumber as the login
18:56	rangi	s/i/a/
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18:56	rangi	yeah, its just a library policy type thing, username can be anything
18:56	adnc	god, for every letter there are at least 4 users. i would need ages to delete them all ;
18:57	rangi	if you dont need anything in your db
18:57		ill show you a trick
18:57		mysqldump it first just in case
18:58		then
18:58	adnc	ok
18:58	rangi	mysqladmin -uroot -p drop databasename
18:58		mysqladmin -uroot -p create databasename
18:58		and hit the staff client
18:58		and it will fire off the web installer
18:58		and you get to set it up yourself
18:59		without adding the sample libraries and patrons :)
18:59	adnc	staff client?
18:59	wahanui	staff client is for the staff in the library, OPAC is for patrons
18:59	adnc	frontend
19:00		wahanui, thanks
19:00	wahanui	adnc: de nada
19:00	adnc	ok, it stated the webinstaller
19:01	rangi	cool
19:01	adnc	nice
19:01		koha is cool
19:02	rangi	most of the time :)
19:02	tcohen	adnc: koha is super cool
19:02	adnc	genau!
19:03		are ther any samples that could be important to have. i'm just asked to select some
19:05	rangi	grab the notices
19:05		itemtypes might be useful too
19:06	adnc	Abgleichregeln für bibliographische
19:06		MARC21-Datensätze, einschließlich?
19:06	rangi	heh, you need cait for that
19:06		i read maori and english :)
19:06	adnc	ohh
19:07	jcamins_away	Sounds important, though.
19:07	adnc	rangi, the notices, are they (sample_news)
19:08		it means synchronizationrules for marc21-data including isbn, issn. it is (marc21_default_matching_rules)
19:08	gmcharlt	adnc: yes, you want them
19:09	adnc	an index service, nozebra, or zebra
19:09	gmcharlt	zebra
19:10	adnc	thank you very much
19:12	jcamins_away	author_of_the_new_fixed_fields_interface++
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19:20	cait	hi #kohq
19:20		koha even
19:20	* cait	blames the pastis
19:23	rangi	how much did you have???? :)
19:24	jcamins_away	Has anyone used the authority linking ellipses recently?
19:24	rangi	not me
19:25	cait	1
19:25		that's enough for me
19:25	jcamins_away	Hm. I think it's broken.
19:25	cait	linking ellipses?
19:25	jcamins_away	I'll file a bug and fix it if it's still a problem in Master.
19:25		In the cataloging module.
19:26		Where you click on the ellipsis next to a heading to make the link.
19:26	cait	rangi: I still didn't find the pain... but I had creme brulee
19:26		and frog
19:26		:)
19:26	rangi	cait: its a breakfast food, every bakery has them
19:27		its impossible to NOT find one :)
19:27	cait	perhaps tomorrow
19:27		I haven't been to a bakery
19:27	rangi	ahh
19:27	jcamins_away	Pain? Isn't that just bread?
19:27	rangi	pain au chocolat
19:27	jcamins_away	Ah.
19:27	rangi	+ espresso
19:27	* jcamins_away	loves pain au chocolat
19:27	rangi	= best breakfast in the world
19:28	jcamins_away	cait: you must go to a bakery while in France. :)
19:28	cait	ok
19:28		I think there is one on the way to biblibre
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19:36	rangi	right time to go catch my bus
19:37		spot you peeps later
19:37	wizzyrea	later
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20:04	wizzyrea	nengard++
20:16	* cait	waves to hdl
20:16	hdl	hi cait
20:19	rangi	back
20:20		so was there consensus on the manual move?
20:20	cait	have not seen all mails
20:20		but sounds good to me
20:21	rangi	ill give it a couple more days, then i can set up the dns
20:21	chris_n	consensus, thou art at jewel!
20:21		methinks
20:22	jcamins_away	Actually, you could probably set up the DNS whenever you wanted, since until there are links, the domain might as well not exist.
20:23		If there's never any consensus, you simply remove the DNS, again, when it's convenient for you.
20:23	* jcamins_away	doesn't want rangi distracted from 3.4 ;)
20:23	rangi	yeah i wont be doing it today :)
20:24	cait	we were patching and signing off like crazy for a week - but doesn't seem like the numbers on bugzilla have moved a lot
20:25	rangi	they sure have
20:25		you just kept making new patches too
20:26	cait	yes, that could be the problem
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20:27	* jcamins_away	has more patches waiting for sign-off now than he did before sign-off week, so he knows exactly how you feel.
20:28	rangi	http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]string&emailtype2
20:28		horrible url
20:28		pretty graph
20:28	cait	it would be nice to have alittle statistic
20:28		of how much we got done
20:28	rangi	the pink line is the important one
20:28		thats just for the last week
20:28	cait	hm don't ee a pink line - only a page with links
20:28		which one should I click?
20:28	rangi	umm none
20:29		you should see a graph
20:29	jcamins_away	The link doesn't work. :(
20:29	rangi	stink
20:29	cait	:(
20:29	rangi	you can find the numbers from bugzilla
20:29		http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]rmat=report-table
20:31	cait	hm I am probably too tired to work that out now
20:31	rangi	172 patches
20:31		changed status
20:31		115 signed off
20:32		28 new ones created that still need to be signed off
20:32		11 did not apply
20:32		12 failed qa
20:32		on top of that
20:32	cait	hm 115
20:33		:)
20:33	rangi	32 were marked as resolved
20:33		so lots
20:33		got done
20:33		(i pushed 60, 55 to push)
20:34	cait	poor rangi
20:34	rangi	its not so abd
20:34	cait	mor than 20 people signing off - one to push them all
20:34	rhcl	:)
20:34	rangi	string freeze very soon
20:34	rhcl	and that speling proves it
20:34	cait	heh
20:34		tcohen++
20:34		for fixing the alert messages
20:41	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5547' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c6130a1e276252fe5> / Bug: 5547 - corrected insert to database <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7d3e747dc7c6b51bf>
20:41	rangi	there you go cait
20:41	bg	@wunder 93109
20:41	huginn	bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 14.6�C (1:42 PM PDT on April 07, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from noon today to 10 PM PDT this evening...
20:41	cait	:)
20:42	rangi	hey!!
20:42		is magnuse around?
20:42	cait	already sleeping
20:42		he is still fighting the cold
20:42	rangi	theres a message on koha-devel
20:42		he really should answer
20:42	cait	I have seen it
20:43	rangi	cool
20:43	cait	and will tell him on breakfast
20:43		at breakfast
20:43	rangi	thank you
20:43		i might answer and say, the NORMARC expert is asleep but I am sure he will answer when he wakes :)
20:44	cait	hehe
20:44		there was someone German on the channel today too
20:44	rangi	swiss i think
20:44	cait	:)
20:44		hm no
20:44		I talked to him for a while
20:44	rangi	cool
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20:44	jenkins_koha	Starting build 136 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:44	rangi	i just saw the hostname :)
20:45	cait	:)
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20:49	cait	hm
20:49		even 2 new developers?
20:50		stephane delaune?
20:51		ok, time to sleep
20:52		good night all :)
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20:52	rangi	hmm
21:01	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: New developer to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9706f8ff614e4704e>
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21:16	wizzyrea	oh that's interesting
21:16		so if you search for a patron, then click the + and set your library
21:16		it brings back all patrons starting with A
21:20	jcamins_away	What if you set your library first?
21:20	wizzyrea	I haven't tried that
21:20		let me try
21:21		same
21:21		(it does this both in my live system and my test system that's completely up to date)
21:21		bug 6127
21:21	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6127 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Setting library on patron search brings back all patrons regardless of search
21:25	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #136: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/136/
21:25		Mark Gavillet: Bug: 5547 - corrected insert to database
21:25		Starting build 137 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:27	jcamins_away	rangi: would it be reasonable to make the DelBiblio call in t/db_dependent/Biblio.t into a test?
21:28		It seems to me that if that call is failing, you really shouldn't get the message that "all tests were successful."
21:28	rangi	yep
21:29	* jcamins_away	puts that on his to-do list.
21:29	jcamins_away	Is that affected by the string freeze?
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21:41	jcamins_away	Time to head home.
21:41		Good night, #koha
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22:06	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #137: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/137/
22:06		Chris Cormack: New developer to the history
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22:11	rangi	http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bin/bug_counts.pl
22:12		hmm patch statuses
22:13		http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bin/bug_counts.pl
22:13		there we go
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22:18	bg	ah that's better
22:20	rangi	https://gitorious.org/koha-qa-tools/mainline
22:21		script is here, take it, pretty it up, use  it ;)
22:22		ok enough mucking around, down to the grind again
22:27	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug #6110 - fix Callnumber index mistake <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]66f32855089f96528>
22:29	jenkins_koha	Starting build 138 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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22:47	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6106: add item not respecting framework in acq The PrepareItemrecordDisplay sub... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]272086f253ea9404b>
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22:54	rangi	heya druthb
22:54	druthb	hi, rangi!
22:57	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5529 Absence or Presence of lists not being reliably returned <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8e2babf077e2975d3> / Bug #6082 - On aqbudgets.pl bug on the Statistic's combobox <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6e313316f3bcc9a59>
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23:10	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #138: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/138/
23:10		Alex Arnaud: Bug #6110 - fix Callnumber index mistake
23:10	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6110 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED, Callnumber index mistake - UNIMARC Specific
23:10	jenkins_koha	Starting build 139 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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23:15	eythian	anyone (especially you unimarcers) know anything about the errors on bug 6101 ?
23:15	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6101 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, NEW, Debian packaging error on koha-create second and next instances
23:17	eythian	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12983734 <-- I guess that Koha hashing passwords is now illegal in France.
23:17	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6096 Correctly return arrayref from GetAllShelves <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a8956db92c1e5b5d2>
23:19	jcamins_away	Yup. Main entry ($a only) authority searches are broken.
23:20	eythian	jcamins_away: is that in reply to me, or just a general comment?
23:20	jcamins_away	That was a response to my statement about four hours ago that I would confirm whether authority searches were broken.
23:20		I don't know anything about bug 6101, sorry.
23:21	eythian	ah right :)
23:22	jcamins_away	Oh, maybe bug 3072 will fix it.
23:22	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
23:22	jcamins_away	Bug 5924
23:22	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5924 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, Authorities search : Heading Main is defined in unimarc record.abs
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23:27	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_3072' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]34ced53440c690ed6> / Bug 3072: Search for Heading-Main in authorities <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]767715ff2d32e8ba8>
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23:39	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6037, Invalid markup, missing breadcrumbs on Keyword to MARC Mapping... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5127b82fbcc144914>
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23:50	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #139: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/139/
23:50		* Paul Poulain: Bug 6106: add item not respecting framework in acq The PrepareItemrecordDisplay sub builds an item framework for later use in ACQ Some cases were missing : item subfield connected to a plugin, hidden subfield, long size subfield.
23:50		* Alex Arnaud: Bug #6082 - On aqbudgets.pl bug on the Statistic's combobox
23:50		* Colin Campbell: Bug 5529 Absence or Presence of lists not being reliably returned
23:50	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6106 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, add item not respecting framework in acq
23:50		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6082 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, On aqbudgets.pl bug on the Statistic's combobox
23:50		04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5529 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Staff client shows "Your lists:" and "public lists:" when there are none
23:51	jenkins_koha	Starting build 140 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)

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