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| 02:39 | bencahill | anyone still here? if so, how do due dates (for checked out items) work? I can't find anything about setting the default time (from now) till due (e.g. 2 weeks)... |
| 02:40 | mtj | bencahill: its a circ rule |
| 02:40 | loan-period, etc | |
| 02:41 | based on itemtype | |
| 02:43 | http://head.kohaaloha.com:8080[…]/koha/mainpage.pl › http://head.kohaaloha.com:8080[…]min/admin-home.pl › Circulation and Fine Rules | |
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| 03:04 | kmkale | Namaskar #koha |
| 03:06 | bencahill | mtj: thanks, I've got it now :) |
| 03:33 | kmkale | I have set up a trial install of "OPEN CONFERENCE SYSTEMS" ( http://pkp.sfu.ca/ocs/) at http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/ Please have a look and let me have your thoughts on its usefulness for us.. |
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| 03:52 | kmkale | bbl |
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| 03:52 | * druthb | waves to her friends in #koha |
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| 04:06 | * mtj | waves back to druthb |
| 04:21 | druthb | hi, mtj. :) |
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| 06:57 | rangi | hi cait |
| 06:57 | cait | hi rangi |
| 07:00 | rangi | eythian: you in at work still or at home now? |
| 07:03 | cait | German news says 75 dead now :( |
| 07:04 | rangi | yes, those are the confirmed ones |
| 07:04 | 300 missing still | |
| 07:04 | 100 approx in one building, that they are saying is unsurvivable | |
| 07:04 | im hoping they are wrong | |
| 07:04 | cait | me too |
| 07:05 | I see it on stuff.co.nz - ctv building | |
| 07:05 | rangi | yes |
| 07:05 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]-the-earth-roared | |
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| 07:55 | francharb | hello #koha |
| 07:55 | rangi | hi francharb |
| 07:55 | francharb | hi rangi! |
| 07:58 | hdl | hi rangi |
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| 08:07 | kf | hi #koha |
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| 08:13 | kf1 | nengard++ # thx for sign-off |
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| 08:18 | kf1 | t |
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| 08:26 | kf | morning paul |
| 08:27 | paul_p | hello kf & al |
| 08:28 | rangi | hi kf |
| 08:34 | paul_p | 'morning rangi. Is everything OK with all of your family ? |
| 08:35 | rangi | yes |
| 08:35 | busy helping people with eq.org.nz wont be doing any koha stuff until tomorrow | |
| 08:36 | * paul_p | was not expecting anything for the whole week, so if you work again tomorrow it will be a good surprise for me ;-) |
| 08:36 | rangi | :) |
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| 09:43 | kf | hi magnuse |
| 09:43 | magnuse | hiya kf |
| 09:45 | * magnuse | thinks this looks good http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 |
| 09:50 | kf | kmkale++ |
| 09:50 | magnuse | kmkale++ # agreed! |
| 10:13 | paul_p | kmkale++ (although it's really slow from here atm) |
| 10:31 | magnuse | the speed seems to be ok from here... |
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| 10:37 | kf | hi kmkale_a :) |
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| 10:37 | kf | @karma kmkale |
| 10:37 | huginn | kf: Karma for "kmkale" has been increased 17 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 17. |
| 10:37 | kmkale | hi kf |
| 10:38 | wow. being away helps in karma :) | |
| 10:38 | kf | being busy for kohacon helps too :) |
| 10:39 | kmkale | hehe. yes working on something you really like is great. |
| 10:39 | kf | true :) |
| 10:43 | magnuse | so true |
| 10:44 | * kmkale | cant figure out why the title image wont come above the header in OCS as its supposed to :( |
| 10:46 | kf | hm, some git tips for me? I want to backport a bigger feature with lots of patches to 3.2.2 |
| 10:46 | it was written for head a while ago, so should not be too bad | |
| 10:47 | * kmkale | is scared of all things git |
| 10:47 | * kf | loves git |
| 10:47 | kf | but have still to learn a lot |
| 10:48 | magnuse | i would guess you somehow turn the patches into a branch and then rebase that on 3.2.x, but i'm not sure how you would actually do it... |
| 10:49 | * magnuse | loves git too |
| 10:49 | kf | hm not sure that can work |
| 10:50 | because it downwards | |
| 10:50 | perhaps cherry-picking? | |
| 10:51 | magnuse | maybe http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]-cherry-pick.html |
| 10:52 | kf | thx :) |
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| 11:24 | kf | cherry-pick++ |
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| 12:41 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 12:42 | magnuse | hi tcohen |
| 12:47 | * kf | waves |
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| 13:08 | marcelr | nengard? thanks for 5782; any patch for a better text is welcome |
| 13:09 | nengard | no prob! |
| 13:10 | tcohen | hi, who fills import_* tables? are they safe to clean? |
| 13:11 | s/who/what koha use case/ | |
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| 13:20 | jcamins_away | nick jcamins |
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| 13:20 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:25 | kf | hm |
| 13:25 | git question | |
| 13:25 | I have cherry picked a lot of patches into my 3.2.2 installation - now i want to create one big patch from them | |
| 13:26 | nengard | i have an authorities question: I have a new koha install and am cataloging my personal collection. This is the first time I've cataloged a real collection so I never noticed this before. I have BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow' so what's happening is it's adding an authority for every book - even if the author exists already. |
| 13:26 | I tried to select an authority instead, but it wouldn't let me do that | |
| 13:26 | Is this the expected behavior? | |
| 13:27 | druthb | kf: git rebase --i would be the tool you need. |
| 13:27 | nengard | morning jcamins |
| 13:27 | kf | rebase against what? |
| 13:27 | druthb | if you had ten patches, use git rebase --i HEAD~10, then pic the oldest one, and squash the rest. |
| 13:28 | kf | which branch is HEAD in this statement? |
| 13:28 | the parent branch? | |
| 13:28 | druthb | the working branch. |
| 13:28 | kf | ah |
| 13:28 | jcamins | nengard: I always used BiblioAddsAuthorities + selected auths (when they already existed) without any problem. |
| 13:28 | kf | druthb++ |
| 13:28 | :) | |
| 13:28 | druthb | thankee. |
| 13:28 | nengard | jcamins was that in older versions maybe? |
| 13:29 | jcamins | nengard: Possibly. |
| 13:29 | kf | you even guessed the right number :) |
| 13:29 | nengard | And was it on add and edit - or just adding a bib record |
| 13:29 | I tried to change the authority when editing on most of these once I realized what was happening so i'm wondering if it's an edit bug | |
| 13:29 | jcamins | I'm on 3.3.0.003. |
| 13:29 | nengard | hmmmm |
| 13:29 | not that old than | |
| 13:29 | jcamins | No, it would have to be a new bug. |
| 13:30 | nengard | I'm on 3.03.00.019 |
| 13:30 | K - let me do a bit more testing before I report anything | |
| 13:35 | kf | druthb## |
| 13:35 | druthb++ | |
| 13:35 | * druthb | blushes. |
| 13:35 | nengard | jcamins (and all) looks like a bug to me, i just tried to select an authority on 4 books and it did not take after I saved (and I did reindex the authorities) |
| 13:35 | kf | thx a lot :) |
| 13:36 | jcamins | I will not be updating today, then. |
| 13:36 | ;) | |
| 13:38 | (not that I was planning on doing so, but now I definitely won't) | |
| 13:44 | tcohen | is there anyone that can sign-off patch for Bug 4903 around? |
| 13:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4903 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, OAI doesn't work out of the box - XSL path |
| 13:44 | * oleonard | seems to have busted his VirtualBox VM by upgrading |
| 13:45 | tcohen | oleonard: usb problems in VB 4? |
| 13:45 | oleonard | Yup |
| 13:45 | nengard | bug 5803 submitted |
| 13:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5803 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, editing records not changing authority |
| 13:45 | tcohen | oleonard: "Extension pack" |
| 13:47 | oleonard | Yeah, but now I'm getting "Failed to open a session. pdm#1: Device 'usb-ehci'/0 not found in the saved state" |
| 13:48 | tcohen | oh |
| 13:49 | oleonard | The only suggestion I've found so far is "discard the saved state" |
| 13:49 | http://forums.virtualbox.org/v[…]c.php?f=6&t=37978 | |
| 13:49 | I guess it hasn't been that long since I restarted it, I could do that... | |
| 13:51 | tcohen | i guess that would not be a problem |
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| 13:56 | oleonard | tcohen: VM back up and running. How does one test 4903? |
| 13:58 | tcohen | oleonard: good question, i've only used PKP Harvester |
| 13:58 | i'm looking for a command line tool to tell you | |
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| 14:10 | tcohen | oleonard: i cuoldn't find a tool like yaz-client for OAI |
| 14:11 | but you could access your testing koha | |
| 14:11 | through cgi-bin/koha/oai.pl | |
| 14:11 | and see the result | |
| 14:11 | in a standard install (not a dev one) you'll get an XSLT path error message in the logs | |
| 14:11 | with the patch, you wont | |
| 14:12 | * oleonard | has a dev install |
| 14:12 | tcohen | the patch is really simple. thats why I insist |
| 14:13 | instead of using a dev-install-only-wortking path I replace for 'intrahtdocs' | |
| 14:13 | so it works on every install type | |
| 14:14 | I have it in production in 30 kohas... | |
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| 14:18 | oleonard | Sorry tcohen, all I can do is confirm that it works in a dev install. |
| 14:18 | tcohen | thanks oleonard, hopefully someone with a standard install will test it ... |
| 14:21 | it's a pity that a so-trivial patch takes so much time | |
| 14:22 | * oleonard | feels the same about some of his own patches |
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| 14:34 | wizzyrea | doh missed ruth >.< |
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| 14:35 | nengard | she's off training |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | ya, that's what I understood |
| 14:36 | :) | |
| 14:37 | marcelr | kf? have a question on 5701 and the 880 fields.. |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | oleonard: have you experienced any weirdness with adjusting pickup locations in 3.2.x? (or 3.3, for that matter) |
| 14:40 | oleonard | Yes, in that we never do it because we're afraid it's broken. |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | AHA |
| 14:41 | ok | |
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| 14:46 | kf | marcelr: hi |
| 14:46 | wahanui | niihau, kf |
| 14:46 | marcelr | hi katrin just closing 5701 with remark |
| 14:47 | jcamins | wahanui: hi |
| 14:47 | wahanui | privet, jcamins |
| 14:47 | jcamins | wahanui: privet |
| 14:47 | wahanui | jcamins: what? |
| 14:47 | jcamins | :( |
| 14:48 | kf | I see it |
| 14:48 | the code is from my coworker, so I will have to look at it | |
| 14:48 | marcelr | kf: still have your question about volumes and sets |
| 14:48 | kf | but it displays labels in some cases? |
| 14:49 | marcelr | not foor authors |
| 14:49 | kf | I am working on backporting that to 3.2.2 for our customers right now |
| 14:49 | marcelr: yeah, i think it woudl need some changes to make it work for authors | |
| 14:49 | are you working on a patch for opac? | |
| 14:49 | marcelr | not yet |
| 14:49 | kf | ok |
| 14:49 | marcelr | and the sets? |
| 14:49 | kf | I can try to fix it myself - will have to study the code first |
| 14:50 | the sets? | |
| 14:50 | do you have the bug number at hand? | |
| 14:50 | marcelr | kf: I still see one one bigger problem: A link downward from the set record to the volumes – 001 > $w. Or any link that requires a search in the Record-control-number index (rcn). |
| 14:50 | kf | ah |
| 14:50 | yep | |
| 14:50 | we have links to the volumes in the set record | |
| 14:50 | marcelr | but did not have to do with author stuff |
| 14:50 | kf | if you have a (Orccode)number in $w in the volumes those links are problematic I think |
| 14:51 | I wanted to do some more tests but remember zebra was not happy about parenthesis | |
| 14:51 | no | |
| 14:51 | marcelr | still had some patch about parsing org code |
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| 14:51 | kf | yep, talking about that one |
| 14:52 | marcelr | it just removes the orgcode and pars |
| 14:52 | kf | sorry, I have to look at it again |
| 14:52 | what about the index? | |
| 14:52 | the index will have the marcorgcode and parenthesis indexed? | |
| 14:53 | marcelr | do yo mean zebra |
| 14:53 | kf | yes |
| 14:53 | marcelr | yes it is indexed only removed when displau |
| 14:53 | kf | I think your solution works for $w > 001 links, but not sure about 001 > $w links |
| 14:53 | 001 is only the number, because the org code is in 003 - I see no problem there | |
| 14:54 | marcelr | ok |
| 14:54 | kf | I see a problem with 001 > $w |
| 14:54 | marcelr | could you open new bug? |
| 14:55 | kf | I can't promise right now |
| 14:55 | I have a lot on the table this week :( it's been a bit crazy | |
| 14:55 | marcelr | well we could check later |
| 14:59 | kf | ok |
| 15:01 | I will try to write something on the bug this week | |
| 15:01 | wanted to do some tests with zebra | |
| 15:02 | marcelr | ok, please see 5622 and 5662/3 too for the control nos |
| 15:03 | kf | ok |
| 15:04 | thx marcelr | |
| 15:04 | marcelr | the same |
| 15:04 | kf | I have a file with test records I could send you - that shows the various links |
| 15:04 | marcelr | ok, but can't see staff side |
| 15:05 | kf | hm? |
| 15:05 | marcelr | only links to opac, if you mean that |
| 15:05 | kf | ah, I was talking about a file with marc records |
| 15:05 | marcelr | ok, would be helpful to see them |
| 15:05 | kf | that you could import and take a look at the relationships |
| 15:05 | can you pm me your email address? | |
| 15:06 | marcelr | will reply on your last mail |
| 15:12 | kf | thx |
| 15:20 | druthb | NateC++ |
| 15:21 | NateC | why the pluses?! |
| 15:21 | jcamins | druthb: hmm, I was thinking NateC+-, myself. :P |
| 15:21 | * druthb | points at the last email that NateC sent to the team. |
| 15:22 | jcamins | spreading_the_gospel_of_koha++ making_me_work_harder-- |
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| 15:26 | * marcelr | Says: Ignore this test |
| 15:27 | nengard | hello all, i thought i reported a bug about the marc view not showing when you click the 'marc' tab in the staff client ... but i can't find it ... did the fix get pushed? |
| 15:27 | jcamins | nengard: I think that was one of the variable renaming things that sekjal fixed. |
| 15:28 | nengard | thanks jcamins |
| 15:28 | marcelr | detail view is back |
| 15:28 | nengard | sekjal is the one who just reported it as a problem :) hehe |
| 15:28 | marcelr | owen fixed it |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Oh, just fixed. |
| 15:28 | * oleonard | waves |
| 15:31 | kf | hmpf |
| 15:31 | the translation script refuses to work on my 3.2.2 dev :( | |
| 15:34 | nengard | thanks oleonard! |
| 15:34 | :) | |
| 15:35 | * oleonard | is wishing for role-based permissions as he updates 40 staff members |
| 15:37 | nengard | :( |
| 15:37 | Agreed!! | |
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| 15:39 | * wizzyrea | had to change 99 staff accounts about a month ago |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea | it would be easier to codify the permissions and do it through the database :P |
| 15:40 | hm. I recognize that sentence probably made no sense to anybody but her. | |
| 15:40 | me | |
| 15:40 | lord. | |
| 15:40 | * wizzyrea | is quiet now. |
| 15:42 | * kf | sends wizzyrea some cookies |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | thanks :D |
| 15:43 | * jcamins | recalls the plight of his late sourdough starter and weeps |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Cut down in the prime of its life, it was. |
| 15:43 | oleonard | jcamins: I'll bet the government was forced to ship it to the North Pole wasn't it? |
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| 15:45 | jcamins | oleonard: they threatened to. |
| 15:47 | I pointed out it wasn't necessary, since it's cold enough here that its progress toward sentience is likely to be retarded. | |
| 15:52 | * druthb | perks. "Late sourdough starter?" |
| 15:52 | jcamins | druthb: yes, it is an ex starter. :( |
| 15:52 | druthb | awww. |
| 15:53 | jcamins | It was doing really well for a while, then it turned blue. |
| 15:53 | druthb | hm. |
| 15:53 | jcamins | (bad sign) |
| 15:53 | druthb | some kinda foreign cooties got in there? |
| 15:54 | jcamins | I'm thinking of just buying a stronger live starter from King Arthur Flour, to give it a better chance. |
| 15:54 | Yup. | |
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| 15:58 | wizzyrea | cooties, heh |
| 16:01 | fcapo | Hello, when doing searches with a huge number of results ($b for example), I sometimes get "No results found!" even if the search should have returned results. |
| 16:01 | Reloading the page then makes the search reasults appear correctly... Anybody else got that problem? | |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | I've seen that once |
| 16:02 | but it wasn't koha proper. | |
| 16:02 | fcapo | I tried reloading the page constantly with CTRL-SHIFT-R and I get a "No results found" like once every 40 reloads. |
| 16:03 | It seems completely random :/ | |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | I wonder if you happened to get it while your zebraqueue was running? |
| 16:03 | that might not be the right word | |
| 16:03 | fcapo | I also tried deactivating any reindexing, it still did it. |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | that blows that theory ;) |
| 16:04 | fcapo | Yep, I was hoping it would be that, at least I would have known what was causing the problem... |
| 16:12 | Anyways, that's a hard to reproduce minor annoyance :/ Was just hoping somebody had a solution for it. Thanks for the feedback. | |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | yea, I saw that one time |
| 16:12 | where it said "no results found" and searching again made them come up | |
| 16:13 | fcapo | Happy to know I'm not the only one who noticed that :P |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | emphasis on "one time" -- as in, a single time :) |
| 16:13 | * wizzyrea | is perhaps caught up in the missing verbal cue that goes with the phrase "one time" |
| 16:20 | jcamins | We have a library reporting that they have to override checkouts if there are any fines at all. |
| 16:20 | Even if the fines are less than noissuecharge. | |
| 16:20 | wizzyrea | O.O |
| 16:21 | jcamins | I'm investigating, and it looks to me like noissuecharge is summarily ignored if IssuingInProcess is set to false. |
| 16:22 | Does anyone have checkouts working with IssuingInProcess set to false? | |
| 16:26 | slef | yengh. I keep forgetting #koha has moved and my client gets annoyed if I try to connect to a dead proxy. |
| 16:27 | oleonard | jcamins: You mean if IssuingInProcess is false checkouts are blocked even for those under the noissuecharge limit? |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:27 | slef | @seen nengard |
| 16:27 | huginn | slef: nengard was last seen in #koha 50 minutes and 15 seconds ago: <nengard> Agreed!! |
| 16:27 | jcamins | At least, that's what my perusal of the code suggests. |
| 16:27 | slef | nengard: does/should the manual mention 040$c when adding records? |
| 16:28 | oleonard | jcamins: Checkouts blocked from the get-go, or after you scan something? |
| 16:28 | * oleonard | sees an example in his live system where a patron is not blocked from checkout even with fines |
| 16:28 | jcamins | oleonard: I scan something and it pops up a message asking "Please Confirm Checkout" |
| 16:29 | And you have IssuingInProcess set to "Don't prevent"? | |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | jcamins: and it's mad about fines? |
| 16:33 | oleonard | I confirm your observations jcamins, and yes to "Don't prevent" |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | to recreate this, you need a patron who has a fine, but less than the threshold, correct? |
| 16:34 | oleonard | Is IssuingInProcess specifically designed to check rental charges? |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 16:34 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that's correct. |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | k |
| 16:34 | oleonard | Yes wizzyrea, and you won't see the warning until you try to check something out to them |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | k |
| 16:34 | * wizzyrea | is checking too |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | yes, I see that too jcamins |
| 16:36 | jcamins | Okay, this blows a couple of holes in my theory: when I change IssuingInProcess to "Prevent," it still complains. |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | with IssuingInProcess set to "don't prevent" it asks me to confirm checkout for a patron whose fine is less than the threshold |
| 16:37 | * wizzyrea | has an idea |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | nope, it's not that |
| 16:37 | * wizzyrea | thought it might have something to do with the format of the amount in the syspref |
| 16:37 | * jcamins | thought that too. |
| 16:38 | nengard | slef, how so? it's in the cataloging guide |
| 16:39 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=x8399#AEN8402 | |
| 16:41 | jcamins | Okay, I managed to fix it, but I can't begin to imagine what the reasoning behind the way the code stands now is. |
| 16:41 | * wizzyrea | waits with bated breath |
| 16:41 | slef | nengard: that talks of OCLC codes which only apply to some libraries. Could it be in http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=c8046#AEN8054 maybe |
| 16:42 | jcamins | It does exactly what I said. If IssuingInProcess is set to "Don't prevent," it doesn't check whether it should complain or not. |
| 16:42 | It just does. | |
| 16:42 | (it just does complain) | |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea | right :) |
| 16:43 | jcamins | Wait... |
| 16:43 | The plot thickens. | |
| 16:44 | pastebot0 | "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "# DEBTS my ($amount) = C4::Mem" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/154 |
| 16:44 | nengard | slef, i'm a bit confused (granted I didn't read back to see what you're talking about yet) Why would I want to talk about OCLC at all in that section? Wouldn't adding that it's an OCLC specific code to the cataloging guide be enough? |
| 16:45 | jcamins | It used to be the case that one could not override fines. |
| 16:45 | slef | nengard: the cataloguing guide talks about OCLC, but other libraries need to complete 040$c in common Koha setups before they can Save. |
| 16:46 | jcamins | Rather, one could not override fines greater than noissuecharges. |
| 16:46 | Does anyone have an older server they can test on? | |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | how old = older |
| 16:47 | jcamins | I don't know, prior to 3.3.0.16. |
| 16:47 | Oh, I have a 3.2 install. | |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | I have one that's ... yes, I think so |
| 16:47 | it's 3.3 but prior to 16 I think | |
| 16:48 | let me check | |
| 16:49 | 13 is this one | |
| 16:49 | nengard | slef is that a framework problem? or does Koha really require it? |
| 16:49 | I would argue it shouldn't be required in default Koha | |
| 16:49 | jcamins | nengard: I think it's required by MARC21. |
| 16:49 | nengard | and if the library is an OCLC library they should make it required |
| 16:50 | Hmmm | |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | jcamins: i see it in 13 as well |
| 16:51 | slef | nengard: Probably a framework choice; it's in the frameworks supplied with Koha; lots of new-to-MARC librarians start with those; maybe we should remove the requirement in the supplied frameworks? |
| 16:52 | jcamins | wizzyrea: hm. I'll see if it's in 3.2.something. |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | git blame might tell you something |
| 16:52 | nengard | slef, that's what I'm thinking |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | about when it was changed |
| 16:52 | when/if | |
| 16:52 | jcamins | wizzyrea: unfortunately, it tells me it was changed 3 years ago. |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | d'oh |
| 16:52 | nengard | jcamins not all libraries on Koha are using MARC21 - or even any flavor of MARC - it should be up to the library to mark the fields required that they want required |
| 16:53 | and the frameworks in Koha should only have Koha necessary fields required | |
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| 16:53 | jcamins | nengard: I know, but we do call them MARC21 frameworks. |
| 16:53 | slef | nengard: if so, I'll do that, I think I have some resources for Koha-community work again now (yay - finally recovered) and it'll help me get back into patch-submitting. |
| 16:53 | nengard | maybe we need to change that too :) since all cataloging is dependent on them they shouldn't be so marc21 specific |
| 16:53 | slef it might be a touchy change to make | |
| 16:54 | but I think it should be made - so you have my vote | |
| 16:55 | * wizzyrea | kicks herself for not thinking to register kohacommunity.org |
| 16:56 | jcamins | 3.2.something also has this problem. |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | but yet we're not hearing all too many screams about it... lots don't fine I guess? |
| 16:56 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I guess. |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea: also, in response to the domain, yuck. | |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | nengard: re: wordpress gallery see: http://codex.wordpress.org/Gallery_Shortcode |
| 16:59 | nengard | thank you!! |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea did someone register it??? | |
| 16:59 | oleonard | nengard: Guess who. |
| 17:00 | nengard | hmmmm |
| 17:00 | * wizzyrea | disappears in a puff of smoke (back later) |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea is now known as wizzy_afk | |
| 17:01 | * jcamins | finds the "block Google results" so satisfying. :D |
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| 17:07 | kf left #koha | |
| 17:08 | slef | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH |
| 17:08 | nengard | uh oh |
| 17:08 | on that note ... | |
| 17:08 | nengard is now known as nengard_lunch | |
| 17:08 | slef | PTFS is Piss-Taking Flaming Swines! |
| 17:09 | That is un-be-leivable | |
| 17:09 | * druthb | raises an eyebrow |
| 17:09 | jcamins | Okay, maybe not unbelievable, but horrifying? |
| 17:10 | slef | No, seriously, unbelievable |
| 17:10 | How can anyone run a business so evilly and still be in business as old as they are? | |
| 17:11 | Registrar:Network Solutions LLC | |
| 17:11 | probably no hope there, then | |
| 17:11 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 17:12 | slef | well, my flabber has been well and truly ghasted... I'm going to return to hacking |
| 17:12 | jwagner | slef, are you slandering us for any particular reason, or just for the fun of it? |
| 17:13 | I'm pretty tired of this | |
| 17:13 | hdl left #koha | |
| 17:13 | jcamins | jwagner: kohacommunity.org |
| 17:13 | oleonard | jwagner: http://kohacommunity.org |
| 17:13 | jwagner | I'm assuming it's one of the domains we registered over a year ago. |
| 17:14 | oleonard | How does that justify it? |
| 17:14 | jwagner | Not saying it does. We've offered multiple times to discuss koha.org and other web issues, and been rebuffed every time. |
| 17:14 | slef | jwagner: fair comment is not slander. |
| 17:15 | jwagner: ITYM you've offered multiple times to control the koha community and been rebuffed every time. | |
| 17:15 | oleonard | jwagner: I'm tired of that line |
| 17:15 | jwagner | I'm tired of the crap I take in here all the time. Shall we have an exhaustion match? |
| 17:16 | oleonard | jwagner: There's only one reason to buy and redirect kohacommunity.org to koha.org. That reason is to sow confusion and cause harm to koha-community.org |
| 17:16 | jwagner | What are the registration dates for the domain? |
| 17:16 | slef | jwagner: no, let's play nice and not register each others' names every chance we get. |
| 17:16 | Last Updated On:18-Feb-2011 | |
| 17:17 | jwagner | Is that the registration date or renewal date? |
| 17:17 | oleonard | jwagner: Who cares? What does it matter? |
| 17:17 | If PTFS wanted to play nice the redirect wouldn't be there. | |
| 17:18 | jwagner | It matters as far as everyone having tantrums right now for something that may have been done and in place for well over a year. |
| 17:18 | rangi | being in place for over a year |
| 17:18 | MAKES IT WORSE | |
| 17:18 | slef | jwagner: neither. It's when PTFS last updated it. |
| 17:18 | oleonard | jwagner: If PTFS wanted to play nice, the redirect would not be there |
| 17:18 | slef | (or their suppliers) |
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| 17:22 | slef | I've just had a server give me "(20014)Internal error: Error reading request entity data" for the second time in two days. Yesterday it was on tools/stage-marc-import.pl and today it is on cataloguing/addbiblio.pl - what's going on/what's going wrong? Anyone here seen that before? |
| 17:22 | jwagner | We have asked repeatedly for community involvement with redesigning koha.org -- NOT us controlling it, but redesigning it to work with the community. The latest request was in discussions I had with Bob Birchall at KohaCon. There has been NO response to that. Why shouldn't we make use of a site we own, since the only feedback we get is negative? |
| 17:23 | oleonard | jwagner: We don't want to help you redesign a site we have no ownership in |
| 17:23 | The discussion at the moment is: Why does kohacommunity.org redirect to koha.org? | |
| 17:23 | jwagner | Not even to make koha.org work with the community site and resources? That's what we offered. |
| 17:24 | oleonard | jwagner: Why does kohacommunity.org redirect to koha.org? |
| 17:24 | jwagner | It redirects because all the domain names we purchased a year or more ago do. If you'd like to help us make koha.org useful, we're (STILL) open to discussion. |
| 17:24 | oleonard | jwagner: That's not an answer |
| 17:24 | rangi | point koha.org to koha-community.org |
| 17:24 | oleonard | jwagner: PTFS can control where its domains point |
| 17:24 | rangi | or give koha.org to HLT |
| 17:24 | either works | |
| 17:25 | nothing else does | |
| 17:25 | now im going back to helping ppl find food in christchurch | |
| 17:35 | jcamins | Okay, now I'm confused. |
| 17:35 | Can patrons edit public lists? | |
| 17:35 | I always thought they could. | |
| 17:35 | oleonard | Patrons can create their own public lists |
| 17:35 | jcamins | Sorry, yes, that's what I meant. |
| 17:35 | oleonard | They always could. |
| 17:36 | jcamins | Yes, that's what I thought, too. |
| 17:36 | Thanks. | |
| 17:37 | oleonard | I regret that my patrons can create their own public lists because one of the ones they created is titled: |
| 17:37 | The Booklist of Essential Reading for the Teenager With An Extreme Interest In Fantasy Fiction, Whose Interest In Which Indicates A Lifestyle Steeped In Escapism Through Literature, With A Slight Interest Or Indifference To Religious Themes | |
| 17:37 | This does not fit well in a pop-up menu. | |
| 17:38 | jcamins | No, I would suppose not. |
| 17:39 | rhcl | liblime.info is available if anybody wants to register it |
| 17:39 | ptfs.org is available | |
| 17:40 | jcamins | rhcl: huh, so they are. |
| 17:40 | rhcl | liblime.biz |
| 17:41 | wouldn't it be funny if all those redirected to koha-community.org? | |
| 17:43 | fcapo | jcamins: About the IssuingInProcess problem you talked about some time ago: will you post a bug report? |
| 17:43 | jcamins | fcapo: yes, I'm just trying to confirm that I understand the bug. |
| 17:44 | slef | I don't know what discussions jwagner had with Bob Birchall. Not my problem. Also, the one request for "community involvement with redesigning koha.org" I saw seemed more or less "come work on PTFS's website for free" (no ta, we made that mistake with LibLime) and definitely had responses. |
| 17:45 | fcapo | jcamins: ok, cool. Our clients complained about that problem and I would love to keep a link to a Koha bug report so we know when it's fixed :P |
| 17:46 | jcamins | fcapo: could you clarify for me what you think noissuecharges should do? |
| 17:46 | I want to make sure when I post a bug that I describe what it should do properly. | |
| 17:49 | fcapo | When a member's fines total goes over the noissuecharges limit, issues are blocked for that member. |
| 17:49 | jcamins | Should it be possible to override that? |
| 17:51 | fcapo | Isn't there a preference that let the librarian override issuing blocks? |
| 17:51 | jcamins | fcapo: maybe. |
| 17:51 | I'll check. | |
| 17:52 | fcapo | There seems to be a AllowNotForLoanOverride and AllowRenewalLimitOverride... |
| 17:52 | jcamins | Hm, looks like a new syspref would be needed. AllowFineOverride. |
| 17:53 | fcapo | I guess... Right now the default behaviour seems to be "Show a warning and let the librarian decide if we can issue anyways" |
| 17:54 | jcamins | fcapo: from my point of view, I can't think of any circumstance where librarians wouldn't need the ability to override. |
| 17:57 | fcapo | jcamins: yea, but there are already preferences to allow overrides for holds (AllowHoldPolicyOverride) and some kinds of issues (AllowNotForLoanOverride and AllowRenewalLimitOverride) |
| 18:00 | I don't know if these options are needed, but they exist already and we'd need the AllowFineOverride option if we want to stay consistent... | |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Yeah. Blurgh. |
| 18:00 | fcapo | Just my opinion, I'm not a Koah expert... yet :P |
| 18:01 | Koha* | |
| 18:01 | jcamins | fcapo: no, I agree with you. |
| 18:01 | oleonard | I agree with fcapo |
| 18:02 | jcamins | Me too, I just still don't know how to add sysprefs. |
| 18:03 | oleonard | make nengard_lunch tell you how :) |
| 18:03 | rangi | easy peasy |
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| 18:03 | rangi | you edit the the .sql file for english |
| 18:03 | then run perl xt/syspref.t | |
| 18:03 | and ti will tell you the other files to edit | |
| 18:03 | jcamins | Really? |
| 18:03 | rangi | then you edit updatedatabase.pl |
| 18:03 | jcamins | Cool! |
| 18:04 | oleonard | That ought to be on this page: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences |
| 18:04 | rangi | and the .pref file in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences/ |
| 18:04 | (or something very similar) | |
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| 18:06 | jcamins | Wow, that's a lot easier than I expected. |
| 18:06 | rangi | make the number end with XXX |
| 18:06 | before submitting a patch (and kohaversion.pl) | |
| 18:06 | cait | hi all |
| 18:07 | druthb | hi, cait. :) |
| 18:07 | rangi | and then ill change it to a valid number when its merged into master |
| 18:07 | jcamins | I see. |
| 18:07 | I guess I can probably do that, then. | |
| 18:07 | :) | |
| 18:07 | rangi | you sure can |
| 18:08 | and if you get it wrong slightly, we can fix and tell ya, theres no harm in trying | |
| 18:08 | thats the lovely thing about the way we do development | |
| 18:08 | jcamins | :) |
| 18:08 | rangi | the barrier to submitting a patch is very very low |
| 18:08 | because it goes through checks before it is merged | |
| 18:09 | nengard | what am i telling who? |
| 18:09 | jcamins | How to add sysprefs. |
| 18:09 | But rangi explained. | |
| 18:10 | rangi | this is good news |
| 18:11 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]rescuers-expected | |
| 18:11 | nengard | :) |
| 18:12 | rangi | this isnt |
| 18:12 | Superintendent Russell Gibson said they had not rescued any more people overnight but more bodies had been found. | |
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| 18:13 | jcamins | oleonard: updated the wiki page. |
| 18:14 | oleonard | Thanks jcamins |
| 18:14 | jcamins | Badly, it would seem. |
| 18:14 | I'll fix that. | |
| 18:15 | That's better. | |
| 18:15 | rangi | the northern hemisphere shift for eq.org.nz have been keeping it up to date all night, now handing back over to nzers for the day |
| 18:19 | jcamins | Okay, time for some lunch. |
| 18:19 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_lunch | |
| 18:25 | rangi | nz redcross site is down, under load :( |
| 18:25 | http://www.redcross.org.uk/nze[…]_twitNZearthquake | |
| 18:25 | cait | :( |
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| 18:33 | * rangi | goes to catch his bus |
| 18:33 | * druthb | heads out to catch her plane. |
| 18:34 | * nengard | goes to pick up her broken car |
| 18:35 | * cait | stays |
| 18:35 | nengard | :) |
| 18:35 | nengard is now known as nengard_brb | |
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| 18:54 | wizzy_afk is now known as wizzyrea | |
| 18:54 | * wizzyrea | is back |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea | That is the most descriptive list name I've ever seen oleonard |
| 18:56 | specific much? | |
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| 18:58 | jcamins_lunch is now known as jcamins | |
| 18:59 | * jcamins | returns with an omelet. |
| 19:01 | rangi | I for one think its awesome |
| 19:03 | * jcamins | did too. |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | ^^ I agree, it's pretty awesome, but yes, hard to fit in a dropdown |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Why don't we use complete-subfield for our subject tracings? |
| 19:19 | I think I'll e-mail koha-devel. | |
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| 19:26 | nengard_brb is now known as nengard | |
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| 19:41 | slef | Should I post a reply to the license voting thread now, or leave it a few days to let people get on with helping eq? |
| 19:41 | nengard: did you get more new items? | |
| 19:41 | nengard | yes |
| 19:41 | slef | news items, even |
| 19:41 | nengard | yes to that too :) |
| 19:42 | slef | cool. Enough? |
| 19:42 | nengard | I think so |
| 19:42 | it's not evenly distributed - but it's 6 articles | |
| 19:42 | slef | cool, I'll go cook dinner instead |
| 19:42 | hrm, is it a weak spot I could strengthen? | |
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| 19:52 | nengard | thanks slef, i think it's going to be okay |
| 19:53 | rangi | ok off to meeting |
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| 20:48 | wizzyrea | slef: I explained the Taunton thing :) |
| 20:48 | ^.^ | |
| 20:48 | complete with video! | |
| 20:49 | * wizzyrea | hopes you laugh |
| 20:49 | jcamins | wizzyrea: what? |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | jcamins: long story |
| 20:49 | well | |
| 20:49 | medium length | |
| 20:54 | * jcamins | dies |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 20:54 | jcamins | wizzyrea++ # for hysterical YouTube videos |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | I will share it, just this once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]0&feature=related |
| 20:58 | jcamins | Warning: a geeky cuteness explosion hides behind that unpronounceable link. |
| 21:08 | * oleonard | is almost done with his calendar widget conversion |
| 21:08 | space_librarian | Oh damn, that is fantastic. So well done! |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | :) I thought it was cute |
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| 21:15 | jcamins | Okay, time to call it a day. |
| 21:15 | Good night, #koha | |
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| 22:02 | wizzyrea | is there a special permission for bib merging? |
| 22:02 | or is that just under cataloging | |
| 22:02 | I didn't see one, but was asked to double verify | |
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| 23:31 | * mtj | reads the PTFS scroll-back fail… :/ |
| 23:41 | mtj | fuck, i get so infuriated with their shit |
| 23:42 | identify | @karma PTFS |
| 23:42 | huginn | identify: Karma for "PTFS" has been increased 8 times and decreased 12 times for a total karma of -4. |
| 23:42 | identify | PTFS-- |
| 23:42 | @karma ptfs | |
| 23:42 | huginn | identify: Karma for "ptfs" has been increased 8 times and decreased 13 times for a total karma of -5. |
| 23:42 | mtj | cant PTFS find another project to fuck over, and leave us alone... |
| 23:42 | please? | |
| 23:43 | identify | Case insensitive karma degradation++ |
| 23:43 | mtj | ooh, nice… :) |
| 23:43 | identify | mtj: No worries they are getting into Evergreen but the community has learned from the koha woes |
| 23:44 | PTFS Europe, I do like that they are another play but the company just has shall we say bad karma : ) | |
| 23:45 | mtj | yeah, we've sure learnt not to trust people, anymore |
| 23:45 | identify | s/another play/another player/ |
| 23:45 | rangi | identify: ptfs-europe are differnt |
| 23:46 | they send patches, dont squat on domains, dont try to register trademarks in nz | |
| 23:46 | identify | rangi: Are they? It's ptfs-europe. |
| 23:46 | rangi | and one of their developers is qa manager for 3.4 |
| 23:46 | yes, not the same company | |
| 23:46 | identify | Interesting. |
| 23:46 | rangi | they actually deploy koha |
| 23:47 | mtj | they just unfortunately share a similar name with another company that does :/ |
| 23:47 | rangi | not ptfs-master or LLEK or whatever the hell its called now |
| 23:47 | mtj | sucks to be them... |
| 23:47 | identify | btw when did I change from moodaepo to identify? Must be when I was trying to /identify heh |
| 23:47 | rangi | they resell ptfs stuff in europe |
| 23:47 | and i think ptfs.com have a shareholding | |
| 23:52 | mtj | so, since the huge shit-fight discussion re: ptfs domain-squatting in sept-2010 |
| 23:53 | rangi | identify: but youd probably want to get them to confirm that they are sep and can act with autonomy |
| 23:53 | mtj | which generated about 30-ish replies to PTFS saying 'stop doing this' |
| 23:53 | identify | I'm not on the koha mailing list is that where this new domain redirect info surfaced? |
| 23:54 | eythian | I just checked the registration times, and k-c was around about 2 months earlier, I don't quite understand the point that jwagner was trying to make with that. |
| 23:54 | mtj | ...they have since flicked their switch, and are now redirecting their domains to koha.org |
| 23:54 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]thread.html#25240 | |
| 23:55 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ember/025238.html | |
| 23:55 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ember/025289.html | |
| 23:55 | identify | Oh I remember that shit storm |
| 23:55 | I thought this was new... | |
| 23:55 | mtj | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ember/025324.html |
| 23:56 | rangi | it came up again today |
| 23:56 | identify | rangi: Will do. By the way damn earth quakes, just saying. |
| 23:56 | rangi | because now its redirecting to koha.org rather than to whereever it was before |
| 23:56 | mtj | well, all those squatted domains were *parked* in sept-2010 |
| 23:57 | identify is now known as moodaepo | |
| 23:57 | mtj | whats new, is they all now point to koha.org |
| 23:58 | from John Yokley | |
| 23:58 | " Nothing has been done with the domain names at | |
| 23:58 | this point. They do not have web sites built around them, nor do they | |
| 23:59 | re-direct anywhere. They are simply owned by LibLime, thus preventing any | |
| 23:59 | moodaepo | Hah I say write up notes on pointing those domains to koha-community.org and create host files and send it out to the list. |
| 23:59 | mtj | non-Koha entity or competitor from acquiring the domains and diverting |
| 23:59 | moodaepo | Every og hosts the info/host files so google thinks that page should also show up on koha search results |
| 23:59 | mtj | potential future Koha users to other ILS solutions. This is to the benefit |
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