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| 00:19 | thd is now known as thd-away | |
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| 00:20 | oleonard | I have a Debian question if there are any sympathetic ears out there |
| 00:20 | * druthb | has a sympathetic ear. |
| 00:20 | mtj | shoot... |
| 00:21 | oleonard | When I try to "sudo" it says '[user] is not allowed to run sudo...' |
| 00:21 | * jcamins_away | knows the answer to this! You have to add a line to your sudoers file. |
| 00:21 | jcamins_away | Change to root and run visudo |
| 00:21 | wahanui | jcamins_away: that doesn't look right |
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| 00:21 | jcamins_away | Uhhh... what? |
| 00:21 | mtj | jcamins_away++ |
| 00:21 | jcamins_away | Anyway, add the line: |
| 00:22 | druthb | jcamins_away++ |
| 00:22 | jcamins_away | $user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 00:22 | mtj | http://www.wlug.org.nz/SudoHowto |
| 00:22 | jcamins_away | (where $user is the relevant user, and assuming that you want to give complete permissions) |
| 00:22 | druthb | jcamins++ |
| 00:22 | jcamins_away | :) |
| 00:22 | Thanks. | |
| 00:22 | oleonard | Yeah, only I did that already :| |
| 00:23 | jcamins_away | oleonard: hm. That's not so good. |
| 00:23 | And the line's still there? (wasn't overwritten by a new package or something) | |
| 00:24 | mtj | try visudo, instead |
| 00:24 | http://linux.die.net/man/8/visudo | |
| 00:25 | and watch out for any typos | |
| 00:25 | fyi: my /etc is a git repo, on all my boxes | |
| 00:26 | jcamins_away | mtj: oops, did I forget to say "use visudo"? |
| 00:26 | mtj | helps me track typos, and config changes when experimenting |
| 00:26 | jcamins_away | oleonard: yeah, use visudo. |
| 00:26 | mtj | use visudo, as root |
| 00:27 | * jcamins_away | puts his cape back on and flies out. |
| 00:31 | mtj | team justice_league in da' house |
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| 00:47 | oleonard | Sorry guys, kids got out of the bath and I had to go wrangle |
| 00:48 | I did su, then visudo | |
| 00:50 | mtj | still doesnt work? |
| 00:50 | oleonard | Well no, it's the same thing I tried before |
| 00:50 | Ah wait, hang on | |
| 00:50 | mtj | i only ever add one line to my sudoers file, right after the 'root' line |
| 00:50 | mason ALL=(ALL) ALL | |
| 00:51 | and it always just works... | |
| 00:51 | * oleonard | smacks his forehead |
| 00:51 | oleonard | I had "All=" instead of "ALL=" |
| 00:52 | Now it works :) | |
| 00:52 | mtj | yep, there u go ;) |
| 00:56 | * oleonard | will now see if he can find the right driver for his wifi card |
| 00:56 | mtj | now thats a worthy challenge |
| 00:58 | eythian | not so much these days, now it usually just magically works. |
| 00:58 | Takes all the fun away, really. | |
| 00:58 | mtj | i was very satisfied getting ndis-wrapper going on debian with a cheapy pci-wifi card |
| 00:58 | oleonard | eythian: No magic for me |
| 00:58 | eythian | oleonard: What distro? |
| 00:59 | oleonard | Debian |
| 00:59 | mtj | i built my from ndis.tgz source, old-skool-gansta stylez |
| 00:59 | eythian | ah, no idea. Ubuntu will often sort it out via the restricted drivers manager. |
| 01:01 | mtj | oleonard: you need to do some digging to work out what your wifi *chipset* is first |
| 01:06 | http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper | |
| 01:06 | http://sourceforge.net/apps/me[…]p?title=Main_Page | |
| 01:06 | some good places to start | |
| 01:14 | oleonard | Thanks mtj |
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| 02:56 | hudsonbot | Starting build 365 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 03:01 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_2170' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f12320a6e8671b668> / Follow-up fix for Bug 2170 - Adding 'edititems' user-permission <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]263da380ee90a00aa> |
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| 03:24 | kmkale | Namaskar #koha |
| 03:24 | druthb | Namaste, kmkale. how are you? |
| 03:24 | indradg | morning kmkale |
| 03:25 | mtj | Namaste |
| 03:25 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #365: SUCCESS in 29 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/365/ |
| 03:25 | Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 2170 - Adding 'edititems' user-permission | |
| 03:28 | kmkale | hi indradg mtj |
| 03:28 | fine druthb how about you? | |
| 03:28 | druthb | doing well. :) |
| 03:30 | kmkale | catalyst++ |
| 03:30 | biblibre++ | |
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| 04:51 | snail | evening everyone |
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| 04:53 | snail | it looks like we've just entered the requirements gathering phase of the ILS drama, does anyone know of examples of other peoples documentation / requirements / whatever that I can use to crib from? Even documents from processes where the outcome wasn't koha would be welcome. Ideally higher / further education. |
| 05:17 | http://www.niso.org/publicatio[…]Writers_Guide.pdf seems like a good place to start | |
| 06:20 | rangi | If you do a traditional rfp, you are doing it wrong |
| 06:20 | They ask all the wrong questions | |
| 06:20 | I can show you tons of examples how not to do it :) | |
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| 06:57 | francharb | hello all |
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| 07:34 | jransom | hi all |
| 07:42 | magnuse | kia ora jransom! |
| 07:47 | rangi | hi jransom |
| 07:51 | magnuse | ata marie rangi |
| 07:53 | thd-away is now known as thd | |
| 07:54 | magnuse | hiya thd |
| 07:55 | thd | hello magnuse |
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| 08:00 | magnuse | hiya pianohacker |
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| 08:00 | pianohacker | Hi magnus |
| 08:01 | magnuse | bonjour hdl |
| 08:01 | snail | rangi: i take your point about doing it wrong. we're not doing an rfp (yet/at all) |
| 08:02 | rangi | snail: excellent :) the cost of answering an rfp is stupidly high, which of course the customer ends up paying in the long run |
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| 08:04 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 08:04 | rangi | hi kf |
| 08:04 | jransom | heyhiya |
| 08:04 | snail | mōrena kf |
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| 08:06 | magnuse | guten morgen kf and paul_p |
| 08:06 | paul_p | hi magnuse & kf & al |
| 08:07 | snail | rangi: can you access: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/photo.php?fbid=499947501636&set=a.499365726636.274436.577341636 ? my current after-hours project |
| 08:08 | rangi | yep |
| 08:08 | kf | :) |
| 08:08 | thd | hdl: good morning |
| 08:09 | rangi | cool :) |
| 08:09 | hdl | hi thd |
| 08:09 | thd | hdl: I discovered something useful in testing SimpleServer yesterday |
| 08:10 | hdl | oh.... nice |
| 08:10 | thd | hdl: The command format xml is not a request for MARCXML |
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| 08:11 | hdl | should it be syn marcxml ? |
| 08:11 | thd | hdl: format xml merely returns generic XML it is not a synonym of MARCXML. |
| 08:12 | hdl: They have different serialisations and different behaviour in yaz-client. | |
| 08:13 | hdl | so...? |
| 08:13 | wahanui | so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate? |
| 08:13 | thd | hdl: try format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2 which returns MARCXML. |
| 08:14 | hdl | what is the difference between format marcxml and format xml ??? from the server ? |
| 08:14 | thd | hdl: I note that your Lyon 3 test server went down or changed yesterday. |
| 08:15 | hdl: yaz-client attempts to format anything MARC as 200 $a whatever $b whatever. | |
| 08:15 | hdl: yaz-client merely dumps anything else. | |
| 08:17 | hdl: the attempt to format is done for the present command issued via YAZ which is the show command in yaz-client. | |
| 08:17 | hdl: try format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2 which returns MARCXML shows that MARCXML is not being passed properly by SimpleServer. | |
| 08:18 | hdl | Lyon3 test is up (for zebra part) |
| 08:19 | thd | hdl: I have a could not resole address error for that target from yaz-client |
| 08:19 | hdl | format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2; show |
| 08:19 | [239] Record syntax not supported -- v2 addinfo '1.2.840.10003.13.12.2' | |
| 08:20 | on zebra | |
| 08:20 | thd | hdl: hmmm that is very odd. |
| 08:22 | hdl: I have certainly requested marcxml and not xml when using my PHP YAZ client. | |
| 08:22 | hdl | thd: koha zebra server has that : syntax="xml" name="marcxml" |
| 08:25 | thd | hdl: The different serialisations definitely produce a different result in SimpleServer. |
| 08:27 | hdl: the marcxml serialisation is returning a display upon invoking show which matches the display for usmarc or unimarc. | |
| 08:28 | hdl: the xml serialisation in SimpleServer shows a raw XML record. | |
| 08:31 | hdl: the correct display for MARC and hence MARCXML, when no bad MARC error is present shows 200 $a whatever $b whatever. Lines are broken by field number without the bad MARC error. | |
| 08:35 | hdl: My agogme.com IP address seems unable to connect to Lyon 3 but I am able to connect from home. | |
| 08:36 | hdl: Does your firewall block testers or did I neglect to close a connection once and become banned? | |
| 08:37 | hdl | mmm normally no. |
| 08:38 | thd | hdl: I really did not do much testing but I may have left the connection open and forgot to close it. |
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| 08:57 | thd | hdl: Reading through my PHP YAZ based client I do not have a specific yaz_syntax() request for marcxml. I have multiple elseif checks for record syntax which defaults to else usmarc. |
| 08:58 | hdl: I have not looked at the code closely for 4 years so I had forgotten how I managed that and apparently I cheated. | |
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| 10:25 | thd | hdl: are you invoking SimpleServer with the -f option? |
| 10:26 | hdl | No... |
| 10:27 | what is it ? | |
| 10:27 | thd | hdl: That allows you to use a YAZ configuration file. |
| 10:28 | ... like the one in Koha. | |
| 10:28 | hdl | I donot want to use a yaz configuration file... How would it index biblios ? |
| 10:29 | mmmm You mean try using yaz configuration file and see how it is managing the stuff ? | |
| 10:31 | thd | hdl: You cannot obtain standards compliant behaviour nor all the advantages of SimpleServer without using a YAZ configuration file. |
| 10:31 | hdl: http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/d[…]erver.vhosts.html | |
| 10:33 | hdl: See the example etc/yazgfs.xml in YAZ which is similar to what is in Koha. | |
| 10:34 | hdl: SimpleServer and all IndexData products are highly dependent upon YAZ. | |
| 10:35 | hdl | ok. But how is it sending back elements ? Do we have to process them ? |
| 10:36 | will yaz be able to search with the mappings we want to bring to him ? | |
| 10:36 | thd | hdl: Presumably it is sending them back with appropriate serialisation. It can transform them. |
| 10:37 | hdl: YAZ would not actually do the searching although it would allow searching the explain record. | |
| 10:38 | hdl | Presumably ??? I donot like that word. |
| 10:38 | but maybe I can try | |
| 10:39 | thd | hdl: Definitive answers require testing :) |
| 10:39 | hdl | (or acurate documentation) |
| 10:40 | thd | hdl: The documentation is accurate but not complete enough for what you need to know. |
| 10:51 | * thd | needs to sleep |
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| 11:13 | hdl | have a good night thd-away |
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| 12:14 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 12:16 | francharb | is there anyone who con explain me why the budgeted cost is calculated from the replacement cost? |
| 12:17 | you can change the replacement cost but it will have an effect on the budgeted cost only if you change the vendor price | |
| 12:18 | rrp is the replacement price right? | |
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| 12:23 | francharb | is it because the replacement price shoud include taxes? |
| 12:24 | which makes sense... | |
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| 12:24 | francharb | i think i just got my answers. thanks #koha for helping me thinking |
| 12:24 | ;) | |
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| 13:08 | NateC | Morning #koha! |
| 13:09 | jwagner | morning, NateC |
| 13:09 | NateC | hi jwagner! |
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| 13:49 | hdl | Hi sekjal |
| 13:49 | sekjal | hi, hdl! |
| 13:49 | hdl | have you done any work on LDAP for multiple branches ? |
| 13:50 | sekjal | no |
| 13:50 | last LDAP work I did was on adding TLS support | |
| 13:50 | are we talking different LDAP's per branch? | |
| 13:50 | or checking a different part of a single LDAP's schema? | |
| 13:50 | hdl | different LDAP branch in fact. |
| 13:51 | authenticating on a multiple branches ldap | |
| 13:51 | It is something we spoke about some day in the past. | |
| 13:51 | sekjal | I've looked at supporting multiple LDAP sources, but haven't written anything for it |
| 13:52 | my previous institution was interested | |
| 13:52 | as are a few of my current clients | |
| 13:52 | though we hadn't planned on differentiating the LDAP sources based on branch | |
| 13:53 | just if (person in LDAP1), elsif (person in LDAP2), elsif( ...... ), else (person in Koha) | |
| 13:54 | francharb | help |
| 13:54 | i need somebody | |
| 13:54 | heeellp | |
| 13:54 | ;) | |
| 13:54 | well | |
| 13:54 | jwagner | francharb, what do you need? |
| 13:54 | (not that I'm likely to have the answer, but...) | |
| 13:54 | francharb | i dont get the use of gist |
| 13:55 | actually, i understand what it is | |
| 13:55 | but you set up taxes in koha | |
| 13:55 | supplier.pl changes | |
| 13:55 | you have more informations | |
| 13:55 | like | |
| 13:56 | ordering/invoice prices including taxes or taxes | |
| 13:56 | i'm not sure to see the difference between ordering and invoice prices | |
| 13:56 | * jwagner | was right -- I don't have an answer :-( |
| 13:57 | francharb | i do see the difference between an order and an invoice |
| 13:58 | but anyway, my first question will be : why koha let me indicate a tax rate while i already indicated one in gist syspref | |
| 13:58 | ? | |
| 13:58 | thanks jwagner | |
| 13:58 | anyone? | |
| 14:00 | sekjal | francharb: I'm not sure. I'd bet that this was something that some library or set of libraries needed for their acquisitions, and it got added |
| 14:00 | but I've never had occasion to use it myself | |
| 14:01 | francharb | thanks sekjal |
| 14:02 | nengard: hi! | |
| 14:02 | maybe you know more about the "tax rate" field in supplier.pl | |
| 14:03 | nengard | how so? |
| 14:04 | francharb | if i set up a 0.10 gist, i get this 'tax field' in supplier but i dont know what it is made for |
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| 14:04 | francharb | 0.10 is already a tax rate |
| 14:05 | nengard: have you ever use it? | |
| 14:05 | nengard | i've only really tested it briefly so I could write about it in the manual. I did see some bugs recently about tax rate |
| 14:05 | brb | |
| 14:06 | francharb | nengard: ok, thanks |
| 14:12 | we are working on a new feature (managing different taxe rate). it might be easier for our developer if we get how it works... we will look into it more deeply | |
| 14:13 | thanks all | |
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| 15:20 | magnus_away | does anyone know of any projects/developments related to "electronic resources" and koha? not sure what that would be, but it seems to be important to a lot of libraries at the moment... |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea_away | basically, people are trying to put records for their 3rd party digital resources (overdrive or other types of ebook/audiobooks) in their catalog, and link directly to them |
| 15:21 | sekjal | magnus_away: I've been spec'ing out an Electronic Resources Module for years |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea_away | we haven't done it, but I imagine it will be a priority for us soon enough |
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| 15:23 | magnuse | hm, just getting records into koha doesn't sound too difficult... ;-) |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | no, we're not (for now) trying to host the files ourselves |
| 15:23 | there are libraries who want to do that | |
| 15:24 | magnuse | i'm trying to pitch koha to a small group of norwegian public libraries that have a project about e-books |
| 15:24 | i'll tell them there is interest around this in the community and there may be possibilities for international cooperation... ;-) | |
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| 15:30 | kf | francharb: did you get your answer? |
| 15:30 | francharb: reading back now about yuor tax problem | |
| 15:31 | francharb: the gist value should be the default, but you can change the default per vendor. I think it depends on the tax laws for your county. for us this is not enough - we would need a tax rate per order line, because we have different taxes for books, newspapers and electronic media | |
| 15:31 | francharb: I am not sure, but I think there is development in this direction | |
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| 16:15 | * druthb | returns from a call, and waves at wizzyrea. |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea | hi there, you're gonna need a staple gun for me this morning I think |
| 16:17 | druthb | Velcro is kinder. |
| 16:17 | Easier on the skin. | |
| 16:19 | * jwagner | is reminded of Ogden Nash's dictum "Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker" |
| 16:19 | wizzyrea | Liquor? I hardly knew her! |
| 16:20 | jcamins | It's always Friday on #koha! |
| 16:20 | :) | |
| 16:21 | druthb | It's five-o-clock *somewhere* in the Koha world... |
| 16:21 | ....for cait's timezone, looks like. | |
| 16:21 | * jwagner | has a nasty bug and a co-worker suggested spiking the chicken soup :-) |
| 16:22 | jcamins | jwagner: yeah, hard liquor works on bugs. |
| 16:22 | Not wine so much, though. | |
| 16:22 | They just sort of stumble through... | |
| 16:22 | jwagner | I asked if you could be arrested for driving a computer while intoxicated.... |
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| 16:28 | * druthb | pulls the little box marked "Participant Securement Equipment" out from under huginn's seat, and gets out a roll of duct tape. |
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| 16:40 | scothost | #join koha |
| 16:45 | jcamins | scothost: you're already on #koha. :) |
| 16:54 | scothost | doh! |
| 16:54 | anyone know much about koha customisation | |
| 16:55 | jcamins | scothost: you're going to have to be more specific than that. Customizing what, and where are you running into problems? |
| 16:55 | paul_p | scothost, throw your question, we will see what we can do ;-) |
| 16:55 | jcamins | (the answer is probably "yes") |
| 16:56 | scothost | I need to modify koha to add a facility where a user can log in, once authenticated the user can query their library or libraries |
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| 16:57 | paul_p | druthb, and now, it's 6 for someone in the Koha world: for me 6PM, almost time to leave, for chris 6AM, almost time to wake up ;-) |
| 16:57 | scothost | if they are not logged in they are authenticated as guest and their query searches all available libraries |
| 16:57 | paul_p | scothost, is the syspref SearchMyLibraryFirst what you're looking for ? |
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| 16:58 | scothost | yes it will be |
| 16:58 | paul_p | so, the answer to your 1st question (anyone know much...) is yes :D |
| 16:58 | scothost | this is my first week in a new job and my first trip into ILS |
| 16:58 | paul_p | ohhh!!! welcome onboard then ! |
| 16:59 | I just celebrated my 9th year trip into Koha recently ;-) | |
| 16:59 | scothost | been a php programmer for 10 years and perl is my secondery language |
| 16:59 | LOL | |
| 16:59 | paul_p | be careful, you could like this trip and stay for a long time. It was not supposed to be my full time job when I started ! |
| 16:59 | scothost | so I guess I'm looking for someone to point me yo the location of the source files I should look at |
| 17:00 | paul_p | git.koha-community.org ? |
| 17:00 | wahanui | somebody said git.koha-community.org was broken for me with an xml error :( |
| 17:00 | scothost | cool |
| 17:00 | jcamins | scothost: you can just use the system preference that Paul suggested. |
| 17:00 | wahanui: forget git.koha-community.org | |
| 17:00 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot git.koha-community.org |
| 17:00 | jcamins | git.koha-community.org is where the source code for Koha is kept. |
| 17:00 | wahanui: git.koha-community.org? | |
| 17:00 | wahanui | it has been said that git.koha-community.org is where the source code for Koha is kept. |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea | he gets confused sometimes |
| 17:01 | jcamins | source code? |
| 17:01 | wahanui: source code is at git.koha-community.org | |
| 17:01 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea | bother you beat me |
| 17:01 | jcamins | wizzyrea: you could tell him where teh codez is. :) |
| 17:02 | Lunch time! | |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | code is kept at git.koha-community.org |
| 17:02 | code? | |
| 17:02 | wahanui | somebody said code was kept at git.koha-community.org |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | yayee |
| 17:03 | scothost | so .... |
| 17:04 | I need to restrict users to search only their own location using the system parameter OPAC/Policy/SearchMyLibraryFirst | |
| 17:06 | there is also bib records without items that should be available to everyone such as links to electronic documents | |
| 17:07 | Can anyone point me in the right direction | |
| 17:07 | I'm struggling to figure out the source code structure | |
| 17:08 | ok like i said my first trip into ILS | |
| 17:08 | I guess i need to go and google a while | |
| 17:08 | wizzyrea | so you feel like without modification you can't make koha do these things? |
| 17:08 | scothost | not sure I understand the meaning of System Preference |
| 17:09 | hopefully not | |
| 17:10 | I'd like to be able to manipulate the admin panel and possibly add some superficial changes without messing with the existing code base | |
| 17:10 | paul_p | scothost, syspref is : koha > administration > system preferences. That's parameters that affect koha behaviour usually globally |
| 17:10 | scothost, I strongly encourage you to do so ! (not messing with the code), or updates/upgrades will be a pain | |
| 17:11 | though, what you want do (ie: *hide* items not from the patron) is not possible in koha for instance | |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | well |
| 17:11 | scothost | yes |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | there is that code from harley that allows item suppression, but that hides it from the opac, not specific users |
| 17:12 | scothost | basically we have an ILS system for some schools |
| 17:12 | instead of one system for each school | |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | you might want to talk to schuster, if he pops in, he's got a ton of schools |
| 17:12 | all together, I think | |
| 17:13 | scothost | we want one overall ILS that allows students to search onlu their school library based on their log in credentials and session id |
| 17:13 | druthb | they are all together. 70-something campuses, IIRC. |
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| 17:32 | rangi | francharb: you around? |
| 17:35 | @later tell francharb certain suppliers act as purchasing agents, they may be purchasing a book from overseas, which means the tax rate on it is different than the normal one from that supplier, thats why you can change the tax rate on a per order basis | |
| 17:35 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:01 | francharb | rangi: i'm here |
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| 18:02 | francharb | rangi: thanks for the answer. after a little research, i understood it but it raises more questions |
| 18:04 | for example, the code seems to say that we can have vendor prices that includes taxes or vendor price that doesnt. but i dont know where to configure it | |
| 18:04 | another one, what "tax number registered : yes / no" stand for? | |
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| 18:05 | * druthb | waves to LBA |
| 18:06 | * LBA | waves to druthb and the gang |
| 18:11 | francharb | @later tell kf i just read your answer and thats what i understood and yes, we are developping what you want, 1. managing different taxe rates. 2. managing taxe rates at order line level |
| 18:11 | huginn | francharb: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:12 | francharb | @later tell kf, and thanks for the answer ;) |
| 18:12 | huginn | francharb: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:16 | francharb | rangi: "tax number registered:yes/no" is store in the "gstreg" mysql field but apparently, "gstreg" isnt used in the code... did wo miss something? |
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| 18:26 | francharb | rangi: last question (but not least ) ;) when we set up the gist syspref, we have these radio button in supplier.pl : "Ordering prices : includes tax / don't include tax" and "invoice prices : includes tax / dont include tax" |
| 18:28 | if "ordering prices includes tax" means that vendor prices in neworderempty.pl include tax, what "invoice prices includes tax means"? I know that invoices prices is used for the baskets grouping | |
| 18:29 | but where are prices recalculated? | |
| 18:33 | if someone else can help me, i swear i stop harassing rangi ;) | |
| 18:38 | rangi | On receipt |
| 18:39 | You get an invoice with the items usually, that may or may not include tax | |
| 18:39 | francharb | which means that vendor price on receipt will be display tax included? |
| 18:40 | rangi | Yeah on the piece of paper the price might contain tax, or not |
| 18:40 | francharb | ok |
| 18:40 | rangi | So when you enter koha can recalculate rrp |
| 18:40 | Ie add tax to it if it needs to | |
| 18:41 | Often the price you order something for and the price you end up paying for it aren't the same | |
| 18:41 | francharb | (rrp is for replacement price right?) |
| 18:42 | rangi | Yep, recommended retail price |
| 18:42 | Usually used as replacement cost | |
| 18:42 | francharb | rangi: for you, arent the same means 'the price changed' or 'it includes taxes or not'? |
| 18:43 | rangi | not the same it might change as well |
| 18:43 | Sometimes it drops | |
| 18:43 | francharb | i'm starting seeing this more clearly... |
| 18:44 | rangi | Acquisitions is complicated because booksellers all make their own rules :) |
| 18:45 | francharb | i know! plus, i got the feeling that we only speak prices taxes included while other speak prices before taxes... |
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| 18:46 | rangi | Yep, it can handle both |
| 18:46 | cait | hi all |
| 18:46 | rangi | Hlt being a trust don't pay taxes |
| 18:47 | So they want to know the price without tax | |
| 18:49 | francharb | rangi: so when we set up "ordering prices includes tax" it means that we enter in "vendor price" field on a new order taxes included... |
| 18:50 | does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes? | |
| 18:51 | am i clear? ;) | |
| 18:51 | (hi cait) | |
| 18:51 | cait | hi francharb |
| 18:52 | I tried to work out the tax calculation - but itreally confused me | |
| 18:52 | francharb | i know, it's not easy at all! |
| 18:52 | cait | I would think there should be a way to have price including tax being used for the budgeting (commited) |
| 18:52 | but found now way to make it do that | |
| 18:52 | spent a whole evening on it - but I fear I would have to start anew now | |
| 18:52 | francharb | cait: if i understood what rangi told me |
| 18:53 | you can set up the tax rate in the "gist" syspref | |
| 18:53 | cait | right |
| 18:53 | that will activate the whole thing | |
| 18:53 | francharb | then at the supplier level |
| 18:53 | cait | there is also a patch from robin to make it work as default |
| 18:53 | have not checked if it already got in | |
| 18:54 | francharb | you can chose if you want the ordering prices to include taxes or not |
| 18:54 | if you choose yes | |
| 18:54 | cait | bug 5186 |
| 18:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5186 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Setting a tax rate of zero for a vendor causes the tax value to become the default |
| 18:54 | francharb | vendor price that you will enter on your order line is the price taxes included |
| 18:55 | cait | would think so |
| 18:55 | oh battery low, one minute | |
| 18:56 | back | |
| 18:56 | francharb | ok |
| 18:57 | cait | and when you choose no it should calculate the tax and add the to the price |
| 18:58 | francharb | right |
| 18:58 | cait | and subtract from your budget - make it commited |
| 18:58 | ther eis also the "tax registered" thing | |
| 18:58 | I am not sure what influence it has | |
| 18:58 | francharb | but the thing is, discount should be calculated with prices |
| 18:58 | oups | |
| 18:58 | cait | and on top of that hlt has a patch for the calculation thing - I tried it out but it even confused me more |
| 18:59 | francharb | s/with prices/on prices before taxes |
| 18:59 | cait | hm |
| 18:59 | not sure about that | |
| 18:59 | I think we need a diagram :) | |
| 18:59 | francharb | that how it works it france... |
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| 19:00 | cait | I am not sure how it works here - never really worked in acquisitions for a longer time, so not sure how it is declared on the bills here |
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| 19:00 | francharb | thats why i wanted to talk about it and see how people work |
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| 19:01 | cait | hi druthb |
| 19:01 | I really think we need some examples to work through it | |
| 19:01 | it's quite confusing | |
| 19:02 | francharb | it can be simple like : my book is 100$ (tax included) |
| 19:02 | if tax = 10% | |
| 19:02 | the price is 90$ before tax | |
| 19:02 | humm | |
| 19:03 | not sure | |
| 19:03 | ahaha | |
| 19:03 | cait | 110 |
| 19:03 | and 100 | |
| 19:03 | francharb | i need a piece of parer |
| 19:03 | cait | easier :) |
| 19:03 | francharb | paper |
| 19:04 | ok so : | |
| 19:04 | 110$ = price taxes included | |
| 19:04 | 10% = tax | |
| 19:04 | 100$ = price before taxes | |
| 19:04 | if you have a 10% discount | |
| 19:05 | cait | 90 |
| 19:05 | francharb | so you calculated the discount on the price before taxes |
| 19:05 | cait | hm |
| 19:05 | francharb | 90 + 10% taxes = 99$ |
| 19:06 | cait | because you said so - still not sure about it |
| 19:06 | this is complicated | |
| 19:06 | francharb | cait: the thing is |
| 19:06 | we also have a 99$ book if we apply the discount on the price taxes included | |
| 19:07 | is our example wrong? | |
| 19:07 | cait | not sure |
| 19:07 | I could ask at work | |
| 19:07 | how this is supposed to work | |
| 19:08 | francharb | cait: i think its the same actually, the price will be the same |
| 19:08 | cait | is it still the smae when tax and discount are differnt values? |
| 19:08 | francharb | but i dont think you have a discount on taxes (this is what happen if you calculate disount on prices tax included) |
| 19:08 | cait | I doubt it - make tax 5 and discount 10 |
| 19:09 | hm. | |
| 19:11 | francharb | cait, i did it with 5% tax and 10% discount |
| 19:11 | and it the same | |
| 19:11 | cait | ok |
| 19:11 | so it doesn't really matter? | |
| 19:11 | francharb | (god, i need to do some maths...) |
| 19:11 | cait | hehe |
| 19:11 | yeah, that was my feeling too after I tried to figure it out | |
| 19:12 | francharb | the result is the same but legally, i don't think we can have discount on taxes... |
| 19:12 | so it should be calculated before taxes i think... | |
| 19:12 | dont mess with taxes! ;) | |
| 19:13 | cait | :) |
| 19:13 | but we agree that the commited value should be the price including tax if you have to pay taxes, right? | |
| 19:13 | francharb | i think so |
| 19:13 | yes | |
| 19:14 | jcamins | francharb: the reason it's the same is that you only pay taxes on the amount you're charged. If you got a 10% rebate or the like, taxes would be higher. |
| 19:16 | francharb | ok |
| 19:17 | cait | ah right |
| 19:18 | rangi | what he said |
| 19:22 | francharb | now that i got a clearer view, we are going to include multiple taxes rates management and make it accessible on the order line level! wouhou! wish us good luck! ;) |
| 19:22 | thanks all! | |
| 19:23 | cait | francharb: |
| 19:23 | wait :) | |
| 19:23 | francharb | i'm here |
| 19:24 | cait | there was work done to do this for the discount |
| 19:24 | also robin | |
| 19:24 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
| 19:24 | cait | perhaps you want to "copy" his work for tax |
| 19:24 | that's what I planned to do | |
| 19:24 | francharb | sounds interesting!! do you know where i can get his code? |
| 19:25 | cait | bug 5173 |
| 19:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5173 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Allow the discount to be editable |
| 19:25 | francharb | thanks! |
| 19:25 | cait | no problem |
| 19:25 | we need this too - I will be happy to test this for you or ask my coworker to test it | |
| 19:25 | just let me know | |
| 19:25 | francharb | that would be cool! |
| 19:26 | ok | |
| 19:26 | mtj | morning #koha |
| 19:26 | francharb | ok, i need to go, dinner is calling! ;) |
| 19:27 | have a nice morning/day/evening/whatever !! ;) see you tomorrow! | |
| 19:27 | bye | |
| 19:27 | cait | bye |
| 19:27 | francharb is now known as francharb_away | |
| 19:27 | cait | hi mtj |
| 19:27 | magnuse | kia ora cait and mtj |
| 19:30 | mtj | heya magnuse & cait |
| 19:44 | rangi | spot poll |
| 19:45 | should we put the RM sponsorship announcement up on koha-community? | |
| 19:45 | druthb | I say aye. |
| 19:45 | rangi | slef: im particularly interested in your opinion |
| 19:46 | mtj | i think so too |
| 19:48 | its positive and relevant kc.org news, and not company grand-standing | |
| 19:49 | rangi | i hope so too |
| 19:50 | druthb | I concur with mtj; the kicker, and what I suspect we'll hear something of from slef, is "where is the line?" when *is* it grand-standing? Given the type of org he works for (and its' mindset), that's probably somewhere different than where I would define it, for instance. |
| 19:51 | rangi | i guess it could just go in the newsletter thats out soon |
| 19:52 | mtj | and hey, if a company is sponsoring RM work, they can grand-stand all they want in my book |
| 19:54 | rangi | hmmm git go slow today |
| 19:54 | or maybe general net go slow | |
| 19:57 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]over.pl?Year=2011 | |
| 19:57 | nekls have updated libwebcats it looks like | |
| 19:57 | nengard | woo hoo :) |
| 19:59 | why does koha - equinox say (2) after it but not have anything listed on the left? | |
| 20:00 | does that mean this is their first ILS? | |
| 20:00 | mtj | all going smoothly, i'll be able to add 2 more to that list, by EOB today |
| 20:00 | rangi | nengard: usually yes |
| 20:00 | nengard | got it |
| 20:00 | clicked through and figured that out :) | |
| 20:00 | rangi | or they have just been added to libwebcats |
| 20:00 | with no info on the previous one | |
| 20:01 | i think marshall might add ones based on press releses | |
| 20:01 | releases even | |
| 20:01 | but thats just a guess | |
| 20:03 | mtj: calyx ones? | |
| 20:03 | mtj | yeah |
| 20:04 | rangi | sweet |
| 20:07 | gmcharlt: about? | |
| 20:13 | rhcl | @seen wizzyrea |
| 20:13 | huginn | rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 hours and 52 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> all together, I think |
| 20:14 | * magnuse | agrees with druthb and mtj regarding RM sponsorship on the website |
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| 20:16 | rangi | ok meeting time |
| 20:20 | magnuse | sounds like fun... |
| 20:21 | nengard | git seems to be down |
| 20:21 | anyone around that can kick start it? | |
| 20:21 | * jcamins | didn't even try to clone it from his cursed VM. Weird. |
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| 20:23 | sekjal | I'll give it a kick |
| 20:26 | there we go... should be back | |
| 20:27 | hmmm, still seems wicked slow | |
| 20:27 | well, maybe just a bit slow... (speeding up as I use it) | |
| 20:40 | mtj | makes an admin request to nabble... |
| 20:40 | http://nabble-support.1.n2.nab[…]ss-td6029182.html | |
| 20:40 | ticks that off the 'to-do' list | |
| 20:43 | magnuse | mtj++ |
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| 21:01 | jcamins | Why does the staff client Results display show the 942c? |
| 21:03 | jwagner | jcamins, remnant of old Koha setup, I think -- it used to use 942c item type instead of the item record itype |
| 21:03 | OPAC still does that too. | |
| 21:06 | And highly annoying it is.... | |
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| 21:10 | sekjal | goodnight, #koha |
| 21:10 | sekjal left #koha | |
| 21:13 | cait | jwagner: it really is |
| 21:15 | jwagner | I'm still finding fragments of that 942c hanging around in unlikely places, sigh. |
| 21:16 | * cait | sends jwagner a cookie |
| 21:16 | jwagner | mmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:19 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 21:19 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.9�C (1:24 PM PST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:19 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 21:19 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 2.4�C (4:21 PM EST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:20 | jcamins | :( I prefer California weather, I think. |
| 21:20 | bg | :) |
| 21:20 | jcamins | wahanui: jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York? |
| 21:20 | wahanui | jcamins: i haven't a clue |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | @wunder 66049 |
| 21:21 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 11.2�C (3:26 PM CST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:23 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 21:23 | huginn | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 6.4�C (4:28 PM EST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.38 in 1028.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | hey 11 is totally tolerable |
| 21:25 | magnuse | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 21:25 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0�C (10:20 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -20.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:26 | space_librarian | @wunder wellington, new zealand |
| 21:26 | eythian | @wunder wellington, new zealand |
| 21:26 | huginn | space_librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 16, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:26 | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 16, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). | |
| 21:26 | eythian | snap |
| 21:27 | space_librarian | damn! jinxed! |
| 21:27 | rhcl | @wunder Tromsø, Norway |
| 21:27 | huginn | rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 21:28 | rhcl | yea, well, google maps has |
| 21:29 | eythian | maybe they're funny about your weird� alphabet |
| 21:29 | @wunder Tromso, Norway | |
| 21:29 | huginn | eythian: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 21:29 | eythian | or perhaps not |
| 21:29 | maybe your place just doesn't exist :) | |
| 21:30 | magnuse | i think it does... ;-) |
| 21:30 | @wunder tromsoe, norway | |
| 21:30 | huginn | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 21:30 | magnuse | hmph |
| 21:31 | * jwagner | sends magnuse a GPS unit disguised as a cookie |
| 21:31 | eythian | Yeah, I'm going with "in your imagination" :) |
| 21:31 | magnuse | @wunder kautokeino, norway |
| 21:31 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -36.0�C (7:00 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -38.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:31 | eythian | balmy |
| 21:31 | magnuse | jwagner: thanks, hope i remember not to eat it! |
| 21:32 | jwagner | It's the latest thing in high tech -- edible electronics! |
| 21:32 | magnuse | looks like kautokeino had -41 last night... |
| 21:33 | time to sleep a little and dream of sunnier climes... | |
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| 21:36 | rhcl | Tromsø is the 9th largest city in Norway. You'd think they would be reporting WX to whatever international exchange wunder is using. |
| 21:37 | jcamins | @wunder tromso, norway |
| 21:37 | huginn | jcamins: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 21:43 | jcamins | @wunder 01025 |
| 21:43 | huginn | jcamins: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 21:44 | jcamins | @wunder entc |
| 21:44 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in Tromso, Norway is -8.0�C (10:20 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:44 | jcamins | Ha! I knew I'd get it eventually. |
| 21:46 | jwagner | Planning a visit, jcamins? |
| 21:47 | jcamins | jwagner: no, rhcl was trying to get the weather. |
| 21:47 | Oh, no, apparently that was magnuse. | |
| 21:48 | jwagner | Everyone blurs together after a while.... |
| 21:48 | jcamins | I just wanted to know how to get the weather in Tromsø. |
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| 21:52 | jwagner | oh well, time to call it a day... G'night all |
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| 22:10 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
| 22:11 | space_librarian | g'night |
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| 23:20 | rangi | and another meeting |
| 23:20 | bbl | |
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