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| 00:41 | chris | ssshhhhhh |
| 00:41 | you guys are too lou | |
| 00:41 | d | |
| 00:42 | * druthb | runs in circles and yells real loud. |
| 00:43 | cait | hm? |
| 00:43 | * cait | looks confused as always |
| 00:44 | cait | time to go to bed :) |
| 00:44 | druthb | g'night, cat. |
| 00:44 | cait | good inight all and happy new year chris :) |
| 00:44 | druthb | cait, even. |
| 00:44 | chris | night cait |
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| 00:52 | chris | heh |
| 00:52 | i forgot i even wrote this stuff | |
| 00:52 | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]a-qa-tools;a=tree | |
| 00:52 | i wonder if any of it is actually useful anymore | |
| 00:54 | actually yeah, the koha-git-upgrade.sh probably is | |
| 00:56 | for running on branches that arent being checked by hudson, (ie local branches) | |
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| 02:35 | Oak | \o |
| 02:35 | druthb | hi, Oak. :) |
| 02:36 | Oak | hello druthb :) |
| 02:36 | end of a decade, huh | |
| 02:37 | druthb | yup. It's been eventful, to be sure. For me, anyway. |
| 02:37 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 02:37 | jcamins | Has it ever! |
| 02:37 | druthb | hi, jcamins. |
| 02:40 | Oak | how time flies |
| 02:41 | druthb | Gosh, in the last decade, my career took a u-turn, then a quick left-right-left zigzag, I've had a marriage happen and fail, plus all sorts of other personal changes. |
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| 03:41 | Amit | heya all |
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| 04:28 | jcamins | Happy New Year, New Zealand! |
| 04:28 | And good night, #koha | |
| 04:28 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
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| 05:44 | druthb | o/ |
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| 08:20 | francharb | morning! |
| 08:27 | Amit | heya francharb |
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| 12:33 | paul_p | @munin say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) ) |
| 12:33 | munin | paul_p: Error: "munin" is not a valid command. |
| 12:33 | paul_p | say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) ) |
| 12:33 | @logbot say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) ) | |
| 12:33 | munin | paul_p: Error: "logbot" is not a valid command. |
| 12:34 | paul_p | well... chris, happy new year ! |
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| 12:57 | Nate | Happy New Years to all of you Kiwis and Aussies! |
| 12:58 | ebegin | Happy New Year to all from Canada |
| 13:10 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 13:18 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
| 13:18 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 13:19 | druthb | howdy! |
| 13:19 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 13:20 | I guess you don't get today off? | |
| 13:23 | owen | Not me. But I do Monday |
| 13:23 | Nate | hiya Owen and jcamins |
| 13:24 | jcamins | Hello Nate. |
| 13:24 | Nate | :) |
| 13:24 | paul_p | hello world. |
| 13:25 | Nate | hiya paul_p |
| 13:25 | druthb | hi, paul_p! :D |
| 13:25 | paul_p | have a good last day of the year for those who are on morning ! |
| 13:25 | I'll leave now (2PM here, but a lot of things to do for tomorrow : at least 18 ppl at home for lunch !) | |
| 13:25 | owen | Happy new year to you paul_p |
| 13:26 | jcamins | Hapy new year, paul_p |
| 13:27 | paul_p | i'll be back on monday, even if i have a meeting monday&tuesday. |
| 13:27 | farewell, don't drink too much. don't drive if you drink too much & see you later for a new year full of good things ! | |
| 13:29 | owen | Okay everyone, last chance to fix a bug in 2010. What'll it be? |
| 13:31 | jcamins | owen: my desk is slowly collapsing, and I can't put my computer on it. |
| 13:31 | But perhaps you meant a bug in Koha. | |
| 13:31 | paul_p | owen, where is the koha-community.org server ? (i'm afraid you won't fix the last 2010, but probably you'll fix the 1st 2011 :D |
| 13:31 | owen | paul_p: The timestamps on my patches are my own :) |
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| 14:44 | francharb | happy new year guys/ladies! ;) |
| 14:44 | see you next year | |
| 14:44 | ;) | |
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| 14:54 | pergi | hello |
| 14:54 | owen | Hi pergi |
| 14:55 | pergi | Guys, i have a question regarding a question in Makefile.PL |
| 14:55 | owen | Not many people here today pergi, but go ahead |
| 14:55 | pergi | When it asks about "Please specify Zebra database user", what i have to write? :P |
| 14:56 | owen | pergi: I always accept the default |
| 14:56 | pergi | it says kohauser, as defualt |
| 14:57 | but i haven't created any user with the name kohauser | |
| 14:57 | jcamins | pergi: you don't need to. |
| 14:57 | You can just accept the default, and it will work. | |
| 14:58 | pergi | this user will be created automatically when i will issue "make install" ? |
| 14:58 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 14:58 | pergi | aha ok |
| 14:58 | jcamins | It's not a system user, just a Zebra user. |
| 14:58 | So the password doesn't matter, either. | |
| 14:59 | pergi | i will choose the default then :) |
| 14:59 | thank you very much :) | |
| 15:01 | owen | Does anyone know where the default manual invoice values come from? Are they simply hard-coded into template? |
| 15:01 | I mean, I know they are, but do those correspond to a canonical list somewhere else? | |
| 15:02 | jcamins | No idea, sorry. |
| 15:05 | pergi | me too :( |
| 15:05 | * owen | wonder what the chances are of pianohacker stopping by... |
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| 15:08 | druthb | wizzy! :D |
| 15:14 | owen | Hey druthb, maybe you can help me |
| 15:14 | druthb | I could try! :) |
| 15:15 | owen | In pianohacker's work on Bug 3484 he references some accountlines.accounttype values |
| 15:15 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3484 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Break down fee display on checkout tab |
| 15:15 | owen | "L" and "F" I see as defined in maninvoice.tmpl |
| 15:15 | But there is also "FU" and "Res" | |
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| 15:15 | owen | Are those two codes that PTFS/clients use? |
| 15:16 | druthb | That patch, or something nearby, changed the way fines are set up so that still-overdue items have a separate fine code for still-accruing fines. F remains as it was--a Fine. FU is "Fine Updating". |
| 15:17 | owen | Okay, that makes sense |
| 15:17 | druthb | Res was for reserve fees to have their own fine type, rather than M/Sundry. |
| 15:19 | owen | I wonder why this change doesn't manage all the defaults from maninvoice.tmpl: |
| 15:19 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e499534337f2ceaf1 | |
| 15:20 | Just prioritizing? | |
| 15:20 | druthb | Yah, I think so. |
| 15:22 | owen | Okay, thanks druthb |
| 15:22 | druthb | you bet. |
| 15:22 | * owen | steps away from the mirror where he was chanting pianohacker's name |
| 15:27 | druthb | owen++ |
| 15:56 | owen | Okay, same as yesterday... Someone submitted a patch which works but doesn't work with git am. |
| 15:56 | How can I sign off on it while giving the submitter credit? | |
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| 16:02 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 16:02 | druthb | hi, Brooke! :) |
| 16:02 | Brooke | howdy, miss |
| 16:22 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 16:27 | Brooke | @roulette |
| 16:27 | Brooke was kicked by munin: BANG! | |
| 16:27 | * munin | reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 16:30 | * owen | tries to cherry-pick Bug 3475 but it doesn't seem to work |
| 16:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3475 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Add copy patron function |
| 16:31 | owen | druthb: any idea if I should be grabbing more than the last three commits here? http://git.koha-community.org/[…]efs/heads/Bug3475 |
| 16:33 | druthb | Grabbing those three would be consistent with the way that I was building things then. |
| 16:34 | * owen | wonders why he's getting a blank form when I tries a copy |
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| 16:38 | druthb | hm... |
| 16:38 | I don't see it, owen. | |
| 16:39 | owen | memberentry.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: called with 1 bind variables when 0 are needed at C4/Members.pm line 562 |
| 16:39 | memberentry.pl: DBD::mysql::st fetchall_arrayref failed: fetch() without execute() at C4/Members.pm line 563 | |
| 16:40 | druthb | almost like there's somethin' missing from Members.pm that you need. |
| 16:40 | * owen | is investigating |
| 16:48 | owen | Ah: GetMember's parameters "should contain one or more pairs of borrowers column names and values, e.g., $borrower = GetMember(borrowernumber => id);" |
| 16:49 | * owen | presumes this must be fixed in production installations of Harley! |
| 16:49 | owen | s/presumes/hopes |
| 16:49 | druthb | I would hope so, too! |
| 17:03 | owen | Easy enough fix. I'm also surprised that it doesn't copy more data from the source record. No alternate address info, no alternate contact info? |
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| 17:48 | owen | wizzyrea_, is it really you? |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea_ | it is |
| 17:48 | druthb | hi, wizzyrea_ :) |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea_ | hi there |
| 17:49 | * owen | was just speculating about whether the "copy patron" functionality was broken for you |
| 17:53 | owen | http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover.pl |
| 17:53 | Someone switched from Koha to Spydus? | |
| 17:54 | And in New Zealand?! http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]wc&RC=29779&Row=2 | |
| 17:57 | druthb | The folks that are trying to push Spydus in the US tried to hire me back before I got on with LL. Clearly, they've had little success. |
| 17:57 | wizzyrea_ | hmmmm |
| 17:58 | I don't think that it is | |
| 17:58 | * wizzyrea_ | will check |
| 17:58 | druthb | It's a decent-enough system, for a windows-based thing. |
| 17:59 | owen | Spydus is what we left behind when we switched to Koha |
| 17:59 | We balked at the 10K hardware upgrade they wanted for the new version | |
| 18:00 | druthb | They did a demo for me when I was with the Abilene consortium. Totally, totally worthless, for what they needed there. |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea_ | owen: dupe patron works |
| 18:00 | druthb | (Cheaper than Unicorn, but so are paper cards.) |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea_ | it propagates the last name, address, phone, email |
| 18:01 | and that's about it | |
| 18:01 | owen | That's nice to hear wizzyrea_. The code in the repo is broken. |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea_ | but that's fine |
| 18:01 | how is it broken? | |
| 18:01 | owen | You get nothing copied into the entry form! |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea_ | Ha! |
| 18:02 | owen | Easily fixed, though. |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea_ | interesting |
| 18:02 | I know we have a bunch of fixes on ours that aren't in the repo (afaik) | |
| 18:02 | owen | I'm submitting a correction for that and expanding the list of fields it copies to include alt address, alt contact, etc. |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea_ | ooooo |
| 18:02 | good one | |
| 18:02 | owen++ | |
| 18:02 | druthb | owen++ |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea_ | I'm glad that somebody is goin through that harley stuff |
| 18:03 | are you documenting on the wiki at all? I think there's a page for it | |
| 18:04 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]arley_Integration | |
| 18:05 | 3483 is a neat one too | |
| 18:07 | owen | I was confused by that one wizzyrea_ |
| 18:07 | What's the point? | |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea_ | it lets the librarians know if the patrons have been managing their own items |
| 18:07 | it's more of a fluffy one for sure | |
| 18:08 | owen | Okay, I see how that could be interesting |
| 18:09 | I haven't been updating the wiki, I'm glad you reminded me of that page | |
| 18:09 | * owen | has been working off the "needs signoff" list in Bugzilla |
| 18:10 | chris | owen: their council has merged with 4 others in a 'shared solution' they havent actually switched yet either |
| 18:10 | but it will be a hosted spydus install | |
| 18:11 | that they all share | |
| 18:11 | i personally think its doomed to failure but shared solutions are the buzzword at the moment | |
| 18:12 | owen | Happy new year chris, how's 2011 shaping up so far? |
| 18:12 | * wizzyrea_ | is dying to know |
| 18:13 | pergi left #koha | |
| 18:13 | * druthb | waves to chris |
| 18:13 | chris | so far so good |
| 18:13 | i still think marshall needs to figure out what hes doing | |
| 18:14 | he doesnt have evegreen split up by support company | |
| 18:15 | or any other system for that matter | |
| 18:16 | owen | Is that because there isn't X number of non-Equinox Evergreen support companies? |
| 18:16 | chris | theres more than 1 |
| 18:17 | and there are definitely Evergreen - Independent too | |
| 18:17 | splitting it up just makes it a pita to actually see how many switched | |
| 18:19 | vendor/support compnay should be a seperate column | |
| 18:19 | he needs to get with the new milennium, only 11 years too late | |
| 18:20 | also his list is missing some | |
| 18:21 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]brary.pl?RC=59677 | |
| 18:21 | isn't counted | |
| 18:22 | if i was tutoring his stats class | |
| 18:22 | he would FAIL | |
| 18:33 | he did fix it when i complained (at the least the missing one) so maybe a c- | |
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| 18:41 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5550 - correct filename referenced in docs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c2b9ee2d6ede1cbb4> |
| 18:42 | chris | robit gets the first commit of 2011 |
| 18:42 | hudsonbot | Starting build 257 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 18:42 | chris | mostly because it was the first one in my inbox and was a no brainer to test :) |
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| 18:45 | chris | hi Brooke |
| 18:45 | * Brooke | salutes Chris with respect. |
| 18:45 | druthb | welcome back, Brooke. :) |
| 18:45 | * Brooke | tips her hat to Ruth. |
| 18:54 | * owen | doesn't understand the color-coding rules of http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]arley_Integration |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea_ | i think red is conflict, green is pushed, and black is "nothing done" |
| 18:55 | Brooke | grey looks closed, too |
| 18:55 | owen | Should something be red or gray if the Harley fix has been superseded by someone else's work? |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea_ | I think grey |
| 18:56 | unless it's a combine for a more complete feature, like the batch item edit | |
| 18:56 | though I'm terrified of that batch edit | |
| 18:56 | the harley batch edit | |
| 18:56 | very easy to accidentally select a bunc of stuff | |
| 18:57 | that you don't really want to batch edit | |
| 19:02 | Brooke | I've always thought there should be about 3 levels of confirmation messages that read summat like |
| 19:02 | "Snakes, why'd it have to be snakes?" | |
| 19:02 | "Swear on your mothers' grave this is necessary." | |
| 19:02 | and | |
| 19:03 | "Fine, fine, I'll do it, but remember you told me to." | |
| 19:03 | druthb | "We're logging that *you* did this, you know..." |
| 19:03 | Brooke | *nod* |
| 19:03 | owen | First round of wiki edits done |
| 19:03 | * owen | goes to get his ears lowered |
| 19:03 | owen is now known as owen-away | |
| 19:04 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #257: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/257/ |
| 19:04 | Robin Sheat: Bug 5550 - correct filename referenced in docs | |
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| 19:10 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
| 19:11 | * owen | returns, unshorn |
| 19:11 | Brooke | unshorn>?! |
| 19:11 | * owen | found that his barber had already begun his New Year's revelries |
| 19:11 | druthb left #koha | |
| 19:11 | Brooke | tee hee |
| 19:11 | let your freak flag fly. | |
| 19:12 | try as I might, I can't picture you with long hair. Ever. | |
| 19:12 | owen | Photos exist. |
| 19:13 | Brooke | there's yer trouble. ;) |
| 19:23 | chris | right kids awake bbl |
| 19:24 | owen | What is the purpose of Bug 3478? |
| 19:24 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3478 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Display patron middle initials |
| 19:29 | Brooke | seems to me like it'd sort one Johnson from another. |
| 19:29 | or rather allow the Librarian to look at it | |
| 19:29 | look at the Patron | |
| 19:29 | and do the sorting ;) | |
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| 19:53 | owen | I'm not sure how that's different from including the middle initial in the firstname field, sort-wise |
| 19:55 | Brooke | mmm the test that's in the attachments could have been more logically delineated. |
| 19:55 | I prolly would have used Johnsons, but that's just me ;) | |
| 19:56 | at very least they should have had a Pan A Cake | |
| 19:56 | just to show us how it sorted. | |
| 19:56 | * Brooke | trusts there *is* a difference or Chris would have tossed it. |
| 19:56 | owen | It hasn't been approved |
| 19:57 | You're right, the screenshots don't tell how the change improves things | |
| 19:57 | Brooke | I think mebbe you should ask that in bugzilla. |
| 19:57 | owen | ...which makes me think they were done to satisfy someone who wanted it because that's the way they thought it should be |
| 19:57 | * owen | ends up asking this about many Harley enhancements |
| 20:01 | Brooke | I'm still picking at the frayed ends of that concept. |
| 20:01 | we've to start somewhere for enhancements | |
| 20:02 | and I like that the community recognises cool enhancements and rolls them into the mainstream of things, | |
| 20:02 | like all of your wonderful OPAC stuff. | |
| 20:03 | but I often wonder where the line is | |
| 20:03 | like if a given Library wants summat | |
| 20:03 | and um | |
| 20:03 | it's just not cool | |
| 20:03 | I don't think we should be resentful that they just frittered some money away | |
| 20:03 | but I wonder how to avoid that apart from participation. | |
| 20:04 | owen | I think the Solr discussion is probably the first big example of this conflict |
| 20:04 | Brooke | mmm |
| 20:04 | not sure | |
| 20:04 | ibot | not sure are you using git? |
| 20:05 | Brooke | I think there must have been things under previous RMs that were similar. |
| 20:06 | and I also think that the sticking point on that is more complex. recursive compatibility comes to mind | |
| 20:06 | more frequent release of things in process also comes to mind | |
| 20:06 | I don't think the tripping point is that solr is uncool and not useful to more than one library | |
| 20:07 | but that ONLY solr is a bit dodgy. | |
| 20:07 | but I'm just a bullshitter, so what do I know. | |
| 20:09 | end of the day, isn't part of the appeal of OS and certainly Koha that you get *whatever* you want? | |
| 20:09 | the crappy part of that whatever being that it might be quite silly? | |
| 20:10 | owen | It is incumbent on the support provider to make it clear to the client that their enhancements may not make it into the official version |
| 20:10 | Brooke | yes |
| 20:11 | * Brooke | feels that that statement ought be chiseled in Carrera someplace. |
| 20:12 | Brooke | it would also help if we Librarians related that to other Librarians |
| 20:12 | along with "If you don't _want_ to share, stay proprietary." | |
| 20:13 | jcamins_a | Along with "your changes won't get in if they're implemented badly, and then it'll be a double headache." |
| 20:14 | * jcamins_a | goes back to wiping all the dust off his various spice racks so they can be packed away. |
| 20:14 | * Brooke | steals his a |
| 20:14 | owen | Along with "if you want to change Koha just because your old ILS did it differently maybe you should just stick with what you've got" |
| 20:15 | Brooke | yeah, that one is worrisome to me |
| 20:15 | * Brooke | loses sleep over Koha becoming less innovative. |
| 20:39 | Brooke | time for the boob tube, methinks. |
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| 20:57 | * owen | boggles. A Harley commit that includes changes to updatedatabase? Inconceivable! |
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| 21:26 | * jcamins_a | had no idea that wrapping jars took so long. |
| 21:26 | druthb | it does, if you have a lot of them. |
| 21:26 | jcamins_a | 34. |
| 21:27 | Which seems like it shouldn't be that many. | |
| 21:27 | It is. | |
| 21:33 | druthb | 34 jars....if I had that many, they'd all be full of home-canned pickles, I think. |
| 21:35 | jcamins_a | How many pickles do you have? |
| 21:36 | druthb | I think I have about three jars left from my last batch. |
| 21:39 | I've got a pretty good stack of empties...time to make something yummy in them, imma thinkin'. | |
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| 21:46 | * druthb | waves to Nate |
| 21:47 | Nate | Greetings! |
| 21:55 | chris | Sup nate |
| 21:56 | Nate | hey Chris |
| 21:56 | happy new year! | |
| 21:56 | chris | Thanks |
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