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| 00:03 | brendan_l | @wunder 93117 |
| 00:03 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (4:20 PM PST on November 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Steady). |
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| 00:28 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 7.3�C (7:42 PM EST on November 11, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 00:31 | wasabi | ive just bumped into a nasty prod error... |
| 00:31 | http://k3.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bi[…]ti&q=honour+sword | |
| 00:31 | chris | scroll back |
| 00:31 | wasabi | a bad-character causes an opac search to barf :/ |
| 00:32 | chris | i bet its because its saying its utf8 |
| 00:32 | wasabi | :) |
| 00:32 | chris | when its marc8 |
| 00:32 | or vice versa ;) | |
| 00:32 | robin | I think even MARC-8 is probably expecting a bit much. It's probably CP1215 or something odd. |
| 00:32 | wasabi | yeah, something close to that |
| 00:34 | quick-fix? , wrap that bitch in an eval{} somewhere | |
| 00:35 | chris | it'll just barf in other places then |
| 00:36 | find the record try changing the leader | |
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| 00:37 | cfouts | wasabi: I've seen that when there are Latin-1 chars mistakenly in a utf-8 record. |
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| 00:37 | cfouts | Koha does not do good charset checking on record import |
| 00:38 | robin | We need a scrubber utility that cleans everything and outputs as UTF-8 |
| 00:39 | gmcharlt | bit more than that, although that would help |
| 00:39 | MARC::Charset could stand to be a little less fiddly | |
| 00:40 | chris | *nod* |
| 00:40 | gmcharlt | and MARC::File::XML shoudn't be so reliant on the Leader/09 |
| 00:40 | chris | yeah, cos thats almost never right :) |
| 00:41 | jcamins_a | robin++ # because if we'd had that scrubber utility the ANS's database wouldn't be so messed up |
| 00:41 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5385 - Fixing an error that crept in with the POD cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c598731ff6bc11794> / bug 4305: add a couple test cases for _isbn_cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8b13adc12c006b51b> / Bug 4305 Improve code flow <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a=commitdiff;h=c8 |
| 00:42 | robin | jcamins_a: yeah, I've been having issues with imports containing badly-formed characters, so my CSV-to-marc script forces everything to UTF-8 now. |
| 00:42 | brendan_l | scub on a case by case basis - or batch? |
| 00:43 | wasabi | looks like its an 'é' character in the 520a, in this record of mine... |
| 00:43 | jcamins_a | nick jcamins |
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| 00:44 | robin | in my case, on conversion, but I'd be inclined to make a batch one. Possibly even on every record that goes in too, although I'm not sure if changing them is considered bad or not. |
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| 00:44 | gmcharlt | brendan_l: scrub rigorously for ingest - do everything possible to ensure that records in the datbase are UTF-8 and correctly claim that they are |
| 00:44 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 00:44 | So you don't end up with something like what the ANS has. | |
| 00:44 | hudsonbot | Starting build 30 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:45 | brendan_l | yeah just trying to think of the workflow - that's it - usually batch wins out |
| 00:46 | robin | > Firefox kan de server op planet.koha-communit.org niet vinden. |
| 00:46 | ^-- chris, feeling bored? :) | |
| 00:46 | oh | |
| 00:46 | typos won't help my test | |
| 00:47 | ah, it still doesn't exist. | |
| 00:47 | chris | never has |
| 00:47 | afaik | |
| 00:47 | robin | yeah, was suggesting it should :) |
| 00:47 | chris | mj runs a planet |
| 00:47 | lemme find it | |
| 00:48 | ahh its broked :( | |
| 00:48 | wasabi | thanks for the info folks |
| 00:48 | chris | ive run out of machines to put one on ;) |
| 00:51 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit32: Fix for Bug 5075 - Terms not highlighted w/ xslt on <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f21fbf8d333907396> / Fix for Bug 5254 - no need to scroll left to right on acq z search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c031cadb77fc6663a> / bug 5235 : circ receipt should include name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha |
| 00:56 | * Brooke | is definitely not playing WOW |
| 00:56 | Brooke | >.> |
| 00:56 | <.< | |
| 01:03 | robin | | |
| 01:03 | -+- | |
| 01:03 | | | |
| 01:03 | damn | |
| 01:03 | missed the space :/ | |
| 01:03 | * Brooke | comforts robin |
| 01:03 | Brooke | dorkin' ain't easy, yo |
| 01:04 | robin | tru dat |
| 01:07 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_3.2.x build #30: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/30/ |
| 01:07 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 5112: Organisation does not show links to professionals | |
| 01:07 | * Andrew Elwell: Bug 5385: POD Cleanups (part 1) | |
| 01:07 | * Andrew Elwell: Bug 5385: POD Cleanups (part 2) | |
| 01:07 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 4305 Improve code flow | |
| 01:07 | * Galen Charlton: bug 4305: add a couple test cases for _isbn_cleanup | |
| 01:07 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5385 - Fixing an error that crept in with the POD cleanup | |
| 01:08 | Starting build 31 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 01:09 | wasabi | interesting encoding info.... |
| 01:09 | http://www.mail-archive.com/pe[…]org/msg01102.html | |
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| 01:23 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5389: mark Business::ISBN as a required dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4a9afdaa2f5eb0c7a> |
| 01:23 | * LBA | Nighty night all! |
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| 01:30 | hudsonbot | Starting build 146 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:31 | Project Koha_3.2.x build #31: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/31/ | |
| 01:31 | * Srdjan Jankovic: bug5027: skip unticked checkboxes when submitting in the background. | |
| 01:31 | * Srdjan Jankovic: bug 5309: Adjust progres bar | |
| 01:31 | * Galen Charlton: fix use of outdated boilerplate | |
| 01:31 | * Galen Charlton: bug 5309: tweak so that background progress doesn't exit immediately | |
| 01:31 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 5315: Remove references to obsolete variable nbstatements | |
| 01:31 | * Nicole Engard: bug 5235 : circ receipt should include name | |
| 01:31 | * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5254 - no need to scroll left to right on acq z search | |
| 01:31 | * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5075 - Terms not highlighted w/ xslt on | |
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| 01:34 | chris_n | !hudson botsnack popcorn & coke |
| 01:34 | hudsonbot | chris_n: you're so kind to me! I just love popcorn & coke! |
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| 01:41 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit32: bug 5389: mark Business::ISBN as a required dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4d020f06905aa2312> |
| 01:44 | hudsonbot | Starting build 32 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:51 | Project Koha_Master build #146: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/146/ | |
| 01:51 | Galen Charlton: bug 5389: mark Business::ISBN as a required dependency | |
| 02:05 | Project Koha_3.2.x build #32: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/32/ | |
| 02:05 | Galen Charlton: bug 5389: mark Business::ISBN as a required dependency | |
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| 02:26 | chris | heya danielg1 |
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| 03:48 | braedon | the devel list is busy today |
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| 04:35 | kmkale | hi all |
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| 05:17 | kmkale | bbl |
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| 05:37 | cait | good morning |
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| 06:32 | cait | robin++ |
| 06:51 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 06:51 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:52 | cait | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 06:52 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:28 | chris | evening |
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| 08:03 | magnus | ata marie, #koha |
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| 08:26 | kf | hi #koha |
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| 09:09 | braedon | @wunder auckland |
| 09:09 | munin | braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:21 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 09:21 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (10:20 AM CET on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:41 | ray | good day! |
| 09:42 | magnus | hiya ray |
| 09:42 | ray | is it possible to insert an image link to the left link portion of koha's opac? |
| 09:42 | hello magnus | |
| 09:43 | magnus | ray: you can put any html you like in the OpacNav syspref |
| 09:47 | ray | but when i put a direct link to an image using its URL it won't appear. |
| 09:50 | magnus | hm, that's strange. what does the link look like? |
| 09:51 | kf | ray: what does your html look like? you can use paste.koha-community.org to paste the code. |
| 09:52 | ray | the result it goes like this... my_ip_address/my_link |
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| 09:53 | ray | my machines own ip address is included in the link even if i did'nt put it in the link i entered |
| 09:53 | my machine's own ip address is included in the link even if i did'nt put it in the link i entered | |
| 09:55 | <a href="www.sbcbatangas.edu.ph">sbcbatangas.edu.ph/sites/default/files/images/logo-paascu.png</a> | |
| 09:56 | magnus | ray: you need to start the link with http:// |
| 09:56 | and use an img tag for the url of the picture | |
| 09:57 | ray | when i hover my mouse instead of pointing to "www.sbcbatangas.edu.ph" the resulting link is "192.168.56.10/www.sbcbatangas.edu.ph" |
| 09:57 | ok i'll try | |
| 09:57 | magnus | ray: yup that's because the url doesn't start with http... |
| 10:00 | ray | i did it! i just forgot to insert an image tag.. Thank You! |
| 10:00 | i did it! i forgot to insert an image tag.. Thank You! | |
| 10:03 | magnus | np! :-) |
| 10:10 | slef | another happy customer... meanwhile, I think I've found the reason for mysql deadlocking - this library is still using the zebraqueue daemon and it took too long once and seems to keep trying to get locks very very slowly. |
| 10:13 | kf | hi slef |
| 10:14 | magnus | slef: yeah, the zebraqueue daemon can be evil... ;-) |
| 10:16 | slef | magnus: thing is, a triggerable daemon's clearly the right way to do things, isn't it? Real-time index updating, and so on. |
| 10:16 | for now, I'll ask to switch the library to cron jobs. | |
| 10:17 | magnus | yeah, the daemon seemed to work fine, except for the side effects... |
| 10:18 | probably a good idea... | |
| 10:18 | maragar | hello. I have abit of trouble with barcode scaling in patron cards. small nubres produce way too thick bars and my scanner has trouble reading them |
| 10:18 | magnus | slef: i saw this drop in load when i did the switch: http://div.libriotech.no/files[…]oha-load-week.png |
| 10:19 | slef | maragar: 3.0? I think the card printer is rewritten in 3.2 although I've not tested it yet. |
| 10:20 | maragar | is there any way I can add a extra string to generated cardnumbers..... like surename+cardnumber or something? |
| 10:20 | slef | maragar: in 3.0, I think you need to make sure your number range is high enough, or hack the patron card printer code to use a less wide bar. |
| 10:21 | maragar | I have latest live cd installed.... so its 3.2 as far as I know |
| 10:22 | slef | maragar: ah, I can't help yet then. Sorry. Unless someone else can, try emailing the list / posting to the forum. |
| 10:22 | magnus: ow, yuck. I've nothing like that load from the daemon. | |
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| 10:25 | kf | magnus: quite impressive |
| 10:29 | magnus | yeah, my jaw dropped a bit when i saw that |
| 11:24 | * chris_n | 's too |
| 11:24 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 11:24 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 2.4�C (6:38 AM EST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). |
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| 12:38 | druthb | @quote random |
| 12:38 | munin | druthb: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 02:36 PM, July 06, 2009) |
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| 13:03 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 13:03 | jwagner | hi owen |
| 13:06 | gmcharlt | chris_n: is there a template update to go along with your patch for bug 5379 ? |
| 13:06 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5379 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, import_borrowers.pl fails with db insert/update errors |
| 13:07 | chris_n | gmcharlt: I'll submit one with the patch I break out for bug 5366 |
| 13:07 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5366 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Standing enh req for code changes enabling database agnosticism |
| 13:08 | chris_n | since that problem was clearly related to the underlying db |
| 13:08 | gmcharlt | right |
| 13:09 | the patron attribute problem is easy enough to reproduce | |
| 13:10 | hi sylvar | |
| 13:17 | sylvar | howdy gmcharlt |
| 13:21 | * Elwell | reappears and passes chris a beer for fixing his commit. ahem. |
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| 13:53 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:54 | druthb | howdy, jcamins. :) |
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| 14:20 | owen | I try to keep up to date by reading the IRC log, but when you guys start talking about MARC minutiae I start scrolling |
| 14:20 | jcamins | owen: awww. |
| 14:21 | owen | But I'm glad /someone/ is talking about it :) |
| 14:21 | jcamins | MARC is fun! |
| 14:21 | Kind of like root canal surgeries. | |
| 14:21 | :D | |
| 14:21 | marc-- | |
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| 14:22 | owen | Hi cfouts |
| 14:23 | cfouts | good morning, owen |
| 14:23 | how is beautiful SE Ohio today? | |
| 14:23 | owen | It's pretty nice... sunny and crisp. |
| 14:24 | The fall color is almost completely gone though | |
| 14:24 | jcamins | cfouts: I had a question about the XML parser thing... do you test that just by changing the ParserDetails.ini file? |
| 14:26 | cfouts | jcamins: you can do it that way, though setting it via "$XML::SAX::ParserPackage = 'XML::SAX::ExpatXS';" isolates it to that single script. |
| 14:31 | jcamins | Ah. |
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| 14:32 | jcamins | Wait, in that case why don't we just use XML::SAX::ParserPackage = 'XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser';? |
| 14:32 | I mean, to avoid the editing bit. | |
| 14:33 | The editing bit in the installation procedure. | |
| 14:33 | Good morning, sekjal. | |
| 14:33 | sekjal | morning jcamins! |
| 14:40 | gmcharlt | jcamins: a matter of making sure that every use of MARC::File::XML sees the right parser |
| 14:40 | jcamins: but you're correct that that would be better | |
| 14:41 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I guess there's an encapsulation problem with that? |
| 14:41 | * jcamins | hasn't looked at the use of MARC::File::XML at all. |
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| 14:46 | kf | hi jcamins, sekjal and gmcharlt |
| 14:46 | jcamins | Hi kf |
| 14:46 | sekjal | morning kf! |
| 14:48 | kf | nah, near time for the weekend |
| 14:48 | :) | |
| 14:49 | * jcamins | is jealous |
| 14:52 | kf | chris_n: around? |
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| 15:05 | jcamins | How would one map 952$h ("Serial enumeration/chronology") to MFHD? |
| 15:05 | magnus | what's MFHD? |
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| 15:06 | jcamins | MARC21 Format for Holdings Data. |
| 15:06 | sekjal | magnus: evil |
| 15:06 | jcamins | One of the more horrifying aspects of MARC, IMHO. |
| 15:06 | sekjal | jcamins: I don't think we can map 942$h to MFHD very well |
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| 15:06 | sekjal | MFHD to 952$h, maybe |
| 15:07 | jcamins | Okay, that's what I thought. |
| 15:07 | sekjal | MFHD is a snarl of all kind of interrelated codes, and 952$h is just flat text |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 15:08 | * jcamins | sighs |
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| 15:09 | sekjal | the workflow I see: 952$h would be populated by a Bindery tool |
| 15:09 | jcamins | Ooh, kf rebased! |
| 15:09 | kf++ | |
| 15:10 | sekjal | you'd specify which serials issues should be part of the new item, then send them off to be bound. receive, and the new item (with 952$h) is created |
| 15:10 | kf | yep, I did |
| 15:10 | chris taught me at kohacon :) | |
| 15:10 | chris## | |
| 15:10 | chris | |
| 15:10 | chris++ | |
| 15:10 | * kf | can't type :( |
| 15:11 | magnus | kf: good think the weekend is just about to start ;-) |
| 15:11 | s/think/thing/ | |
| 15:11 | jcamins | sekjal: that makes sense. |
| 15:12 | kf | sekjal: you talk about bindings? |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Sadly, it also doesn't resolve my conundrum. I have a 5-volume encyclopedia in 6 parts which is both analyzed and given a collective record. |
| 15:15 | So now I'm trying to figure out what to do about the item records. | |
| 15:15 | sekjal | kf: talking about taking loose serials issues, sending them to a binding company, and getting a book back |
| 15:16 | kf | interesting :) |
| 15:16 | are you developing something in this direction? | |
| 15:16 | sekjal | kf: not actively, no |
| 15:16 | kf | we had a library asking about it |
| 15:16 | sekjal | but I've been planning it for years |
| 15:16 | okay, year+ | |
| 15:17 | kf | it's the one point they are missing enough to take another system |
| 15:17 | chris_n | heya kf |
| 15:17 | sekjal | I am going to be doing a lot of serials work in the near future, but I don't know if bindery will be included |
| 15:17 | it's less popular these days | |
| 15:17 | all them electronic journals | |
| 15:18 | kf | chris_n: signed-off - works great! |
| 15:20 | jcamins | kf: what bindery features do they want? |
| 15:20 | I've never used the serials module, but I thought that it was possible to check in serials without creating item records. | |
| 15:20 | kf | binding serials, manage waht they send to the bookbinder, manage how the binded volume will look like (color, font, etc), claims |
| 15:21 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 15:21 | kf | print letters for the bookbinder with the information |
| 15:21 | chris_n | kf: tnx! |
| 15:21 | jcamins | Yeah, that's definitely not done. |
| 15:21 | kf | not sure they need all of that - I am not a bindings expert |
| 15:21 | jcamins | (not that I doubted you, it just didn't occur to me that an ILS would do that) |
| 15:21 | kf | but they are using this module in ... another system right know |
| 15:21 | which can do that | |
| 15:22 | chris_n | kf: I think it only ever worked before when the biblionumber happened to be an itemnumber as well |
| 15:22 | kf | so normally they don't want to loose the functionality |
| 15:22 | chris_n: that makes sense... in a way | |
| 15:22 | and if I was testing with a small amount of borrowers and items.. I have probably seen an amount there sometimes | |
| 15:22 | I did a lot of testing, almost all borrowers had fines | |
| 15:23 | chris_n | same here... |
| 15:23 | kf | this system was clean, only one checkout at all |
| 15:23 | no fines | |
| 15:23 | should be really ok now :) and the fine was incrementing | |
| 15:23 | chris_n | if the first 100 bibs had one item each, it is entirely possible the numbers sync'd |
| 15:24 | kf | true |
| 15:24 | nah, it will work, that's good enough forme :) | |
| 15:25 | owen | Is the Anonymize patron history tool safe to use? Anyone using it in a live system? |
| 15:25 | sekjal | owen: I think it breaks some statistics |
| 15:26 | kf | owen: interested in that too - was not brave enough to use it yet |
| 15:26 | owen | sekjal: that's not good |
| 15:26 | sekjal | don't know that for sure, but I recall some discussion about it at KohaCon |
| 15:30 | * owen | grumbles |
| 15:41 | kf | owen: we thought the problem was , that it is deleting the borrowernumber completely |
| 15:41 | so you can't find out later, which borrower category it was | |
| 15:41 | but needs testing to make sure about that | |
| 15:41 | perhaps the information is still logged in the statistics table or somewhere else | |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | as far as I can tell it pretty well nukes everything about that patron from the records |
| 15:47 | kf | closing_bugs++ :) |
| 15:48 | magnus | it works on db table old_issues, not issues - and sets borrowernumber = NULL |
| 15:48 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]rowers.pl;hb=HEAD | |
| 15:48 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…].pm;hb=HEAD#l2386 | |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | erm, revision I *meant* old info |
| 15:49 | lord help us if you anonymized and you nuked stuff out of issues | |
| 15:49 | * wizzyrea | cowers in fear |
| 15:52 | magnus | issues/old_issues only has the borrowernumber, so yeah, you loose tha ability to do stats by borrower category |
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| 16:10 | magnus | hiya trea |
| 16:11 | * trea | waves |
| 16:11 | trea | how goes it |
| 16:14 | jcamins | Harrumph! |
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| 16:15 | wizzyrea | that bad eh |
| 16:15 | kf | hi trea |
| 16:15 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I am still trying to track down all the books that have item records but no barcodes. |
| 16:15 | Most are missing. | |
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| 16:18 | brendan | morning |
| 16:19 | jcamins | Good morning, brendan |
| 16:19 | trea | hi kf |
| 16:19 | jcamins: wizzyrea's in a meeting, she'll back in a few | |
| 16:19 | be back even* | |
| 16:20 | jcamins | trea: just explaining why I was channeling jwagner. ;) |
| 16:20 | trea | hehe |
| 16:21 | jwagner | channeling me? You have a bad head cold??? |
| 16:22 | jcamins | jwagner: oh no! Your cold still isn't better? :( |
| 16:22 | jwagner | A little better, but I'm losing my voice and still coughing & sneezing a lot. Of course, there are some misguided individuals who think my losing my voice is a GOOD thing. We ignore them :-) |
| 16:23 | magnus is now known as magnus_a | |
| 16:23 | * druthb | looks innocent. |
| 16:28 | sekjal | does anyone remember a 'renew' link on the circulation-home page? |
| 16:28 | next to checkout and checkin? | |
| 16:29 | owen | Where exactly would that take you? |
| 16:29 | sekjal | apparently, it was designed so that you could just scan a barcode, and renew it |
| 16:31 | which is reversed from the usual workflow | |
| 16:31 | * owen | doesn't recall Koha ever having that |
| 16:32 | sekjal | I can't find any evidence in Git that it existed |
| 16:32 | owen | ...but I remember our old system having it, and wishing Koha had it |
| 16:32 | sekjal | going to ask for clarification |
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| 16:46 | kf | good night all :) |
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| 16:47 | slef | bug 5395 |
| 16:47 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5395 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, C4::Acquisition::SearchOrder POD inconsistent with function |
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| 16:47 | slef | anyone fancy updating that function description? |
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| 16:51 | gmcharlt | relevant commit with the big change to it seems to be 62f18426 |
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| 16:54 | jwagner | anyone else having trouble getting into bugzilla? Keeps timing out on me. |
| 16:54 | slef | The old description was wrong too. |
| 16:54 | jwagner: I wasn't a few minutes ago but I am now. | |
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| 17:04 | wizzyrea | bugs is working for me |
| 17:04 | gmcharlt | cute - now we have competing packages of idzebra to deal with |
| 17:04 | one set packaged by IndexData, another by Vincent Danjean | |
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| 17:26 | chris_n | !hudson botsnack bbq chips |
| 17:26 | hudsonbot | chris_n: yummy! I really like that bbq chips |
| 17:27 | * chris_n | tosses a few to munin as well |
| 17:29 | thd | gmcharlt: Have the type of ICU problems which BibLibre have identified been found when using Evergreen? |
| 17:29 | gmcharlt | thd: completely different search engines |
| 17:30 | thd | gmchrlt: Exactly, that is why I was asking. |
| 17:30 | chris_n | what engine does EG use? |
| 17:30 | thd | gmcharlt: chris is suspecting the Koha search code. |
| 17:30 | gmcharlt | chris_n: the equivalent of NoZebra, except much better |
| 17:31 | chris_n: more precisely, it's essentially a handcrafted engine built on top of the Postgres tsearch2 full text search subsystem | |
| 17:31 | thd | gmcharlt: So Evergreen uses Zebra only as a Z39.50/SRU server but not for local indexing? |
| 17:31 | chris_n | if its built on PG it must be good |
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| 17:32 | gmcharlt | thd: Evergreen doesn't use Zebra at all - it just uses simplezoom to provide the Z39.50/SRU frontend |
| 17:32 | chris_n | gmcharlt: is it modular enough to be considered in the current debate over replacement? |
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| 17:33 | gmcharlt | not really |
| 17:33 | thd | gmcharlt: Do you mean Simple Search? |
| 17:33 | gmcharlt: Do you mean Simple Sever? | |
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| 17:33 | thd | gmcharlt: Do you mean Simple Sevrer? |
| 17:33 | * chris_n | hands thd a new keyboard |
| 17:33 | chrisc | looks like there is something up with linode today |
| 17:33 | chris_n | hi chrisc |
| 17:33 | gmcharlt | thd: I've never found severing to be simple ;) |
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| 17:34 | gmcharlt | thd: and I mean simple2zoom |
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| 17:36 | chrisc | the machine is fine, just seems to keep losing its connections to the world |
| 17:36 | jwagner | It's seceding from the rest of the world? |
| 17:37 | * chris_n | has that trouble occasionally himself... the losing connections part |
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| 17:38 | * jwagner | wouldn't mind seceding sometimes either |
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| 17:43 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:43 | jcamins | Hi cait |
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| 17:45 | mib_2wvfh | is there anything that prevents non-staff patron categories from logging into the staff opac? |
| 17:46 | cait | no, but some things can be strange if your patrons are not staff |
| 17:46 | ok, perhaps I should explain that and answer your question (tired) | |
| 17:47 | if a patron has the permissions to log into staff he can, but I would recommend to use the staff category | |
| 17:47 | brendan | hey cait |
| 17:47 | cait | hi brendan :) |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | mib_2wvfh: Yes, the patron has to have the staff permissions checked |
| 17:48 | they cannot log in as staff by default | |
| 17:49 | does that answer your question? | |
| 17:51 | mib_2wvfh | wizzyrea: yes, but i'm not seeing where the staff permissions is set, i can't find it in patron categories |
| 17:51 | jcamins | mib_2wvfh: you have to create the patron, and go to Set Permissions. |
| 17:51 | owen | mib_2wvfh: You have to set it on a per-user basis |
| 17:51 | wizzyrea | you must http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=x5851#AEN5851 |
| 17:52 | mib_2wvfh | oh boy |
| 17:52 | thd | gmcharlt: http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwi[…]in:sru_and_z39.50 implies that Evergreen translates PQF queries into CQL. |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | well, that came out wrong. Correct link though |
| 17:53 | gmcharlt | thd: well, to be precise, simple2zoom does |
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| 17:53 | jcamins | mib_2wvfh: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:54 | mib_2wvfh | jcamins: prevent patrons that are not in the staff category from logging into the staff opac |
| 17:54 | thd | gmcharlt: Yes, although, such queries have much less expressive power by default than PQF queries have using the Bib-1 attribute set for example. |
| 17:54 | jcamins | mib_2wvfh: in that case you don't need to do anything. |
| 17:54 | Unless you already gave them staff permissions. | |
| 17:54 | We just explained how to *allow* patrons to log into the staff client. | |
| 17:56 | mib_2wvfh | jcamins: well, i've got a patron category of 'Adult' type, and another of 'Staff' type. both can log in |
| 17:57 | cait | are you talking about the opac account or about the staff interface? |
| 17:57 | mib_2wvfh | staff |
| 17:59 | jcamins | mib_2wvfh: what version of Koha do you have? |
| 17:59 | I get an unauthorized user message when I try that, so I think you must have given your Adult users permission to use the Staff client somehow. | |
| 17:59 | mib_2wvfh | 3.02.00.004 |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Same version as I have. |
| 18:00 | mib_2wvfh: just to check... you have logged out of all your staff client windows with your staff user before trying to login with an adult user, right? | |
| 18:01 | mib_2wvfh | jcamins: right |
| 18:01 | one second, let me check something | |
| 18:02 | chris | Error: Unauthorized userclick to log out is what i get too |
| 18:03 | mib_2wvfh | i am using auth with ldap, but that shouldn't cause problems.. |
| 18:03 | jcamins | I don't use ldap, so I don't know anything about it. |
| 18:03 | I imagine it's related, though. | |
| 18:04 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #147: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/147/ |
| 18:04 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 4979: Acq: input fields for new record are too short | |
| 18:04 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 4305: Add test case for ISBN-13 to ISBN-10 conversion | |
| 18:04 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 5392 Initialize vars used in building url strings | |
| 18:04 | cfouts | mib_2wvfh: I would not necessarily jump to that conclusion |
| 18:05 | ldap uses its own copy of the auth function that may differ subtly from the default one | |
| 18:05 | jcamins | mib_2wvfh: once the Adult user is logged in, are they able to do anything? |
| 18:06 | mib_2wvfh | jcamins: yes, the whole shebang. preferences, everything |
| 18:06 | brendan | henry you here? |
| 18:08 | mib_2wvfh | in categories.category_type , all are set to 'A' , with staff being the only one set to 'S' |
| 18:09 | gmcharlt | mib_2wvfh: in the userflags table, are there any permissions other than borrower where defaulton is 1? |
| 18:10 | mib_2wvfh | gmcharlt: no |
| 18:10 | gmcharlt | and another question, what is the value of borrowers.flags for the 'A' patrons? |
| 18:10 | mib_2wvfh | gmcharlt: well, borrower is 0, borrow is 1, i suppose that's what you meant |
| 18:10 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 4305: Add test case for ISBN-13 to ISBN-10 conversion <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d10273539bc039f12> |
| 18:11 | mib_2wvfh | gmcharlt: null |
| 18:12 | gmcharlt | hmm |
| 18:12 | what's in user_permissions? any references for patrons other than the staff patron? | |
| 18:13 | mib_2wvfh | gmcharlt: that table is empty |
| 18:13 | gmcharlt | hmm - is the 'demo' system preference on? |
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| 18:14 | chris | cfouts: the ldap just does the password checking the permissions is still checked in C4/Auth.pm (it just calls checkpw_ldap instead of checking the password internally) the permissions are checked the ssame |
| 18:15 | mib_2wvfh | gmcharlt: hmm, could you tell me where that is or what the variablename is? i'm not finding it. |
| 18:15 | chris: right, that's why i was saying it shouldn't make a difference | |
| 18:15 | gmcharlt | look for a row in systempreferences where variable = 'demo' |
| 18:15 | cfouts | ah, got it |
| 18:16 | mib_2wvfh | gmcharlt: yeah, i actually did a 'like' but that returned nothing |
| 18:16 | chris | so what permissions does the user you are logging in with have set? |
| 18:16 | mib_2wvfh | chris: superlibrarian |
| 18:16 | chris | well thats why then |
| 18:17 | if you create a new adult patron, does it have superlibrarian checked? | |
| 18:19 | thd | gmcharlt: What does Evergreen do for Yaz to function as a server of SQL queries to send to Postgres? |
| 18:19 | * cait | waves to chris |
| 18:19 | chris | hi cait |
| 18:20 | mib_2wvfh | chris: no, and as soon as i said that i realized what i had overlooked, haha. sorry for the time wasted guys. i just got confused when changing my category didn't change its permissions and the whole per-user permissions thing |
| 18:21 | chris | :) |
| 18:25 | mib_2wvfh | now, as far as the permissions, since those are on a per-user basis, is there anything built in that allows me to change them based on category or would i just have to run a query? |
| 18:27 | jcamins | mib_2wvfh: you mean you need to change the category of user frequently, and you want to reset the permissions based on the new category every time you change? |
| 18:28 | I don't think you can do that. | |
| 18:28 | I could be mistaken, though. | |
| 18:28 | mib_2wvfh | jcamins: well no, i just have say a category of borrowers, say 300, that should only have access to certain tools in the staff interface or something like that |
| 18:30 | jcamins: it doesn't need to be frequently, but i would like all patrons of that category to have a certain set of permissions | |
| 18:30 | cait | hm; perhaps you can have users by permissions instead of individual users? |
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| 18:33 | mib_2wvfh | cait: im not sure i understand what you mean, but as you may have noticed i am not exactly at my sharpest today |
| 18:33 | cait | me neither - was a long day |
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| 18:33 | cait | perhaps someone will say that's not a good idea: but you could have one user account for more than one staff user |
| 18:34 | owen | We do that for our circ staff |
| 18:34 | cait | right, we do that in our other system too |
| 18:35 | mib_2wvfh | cait: oh i see, yeah, unfortunately i can't do that because of confidentiality and such, and the fact that we authenticate by ldap, which goes into less important details |
| 18:35 | cait | and have users for acq, admin... |
| 18:35 | hm ok | |
| 18:36 | mib_2wvfh | perhaps i'm the exception here, but it seems like group permissions wouldn't be a bad idea, are there any plans / future needs for it? |
| 18:36 | owen | many would agree mib_2wvfh, but no one has volunteered to fund and/or code it |
| 18:37 | mib_2wvfh | owen: hmmm |
| 18:37 | cait | our libraries are quite small - so it's easy to manage. but I think if you have a lot of staff it would make things easier |
| 18:39 | mib_2wvfh | i may mull over this with my supervisor and hopefully we can find a solution that can be pushed back |
| 18:39 | cait | :) |
| 18:42 | chris | mib_2wvfh: make sure you write up a rfc and file a corresponding enhancement bug in bugzilla :) |
| 18:43 | even if you cant fund it | |
| 18:43 | that will make it a trillion times more likely for it to be done | |
| 18:43 | owen | Hey chris, do you have time for a git question? |
| 18:44 | chris | mib_2wvfh: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]equest_Guidelines |
| 18:44 | owen: kids willing :) | |
| 18:44 | owen | I've got a bunch of bugfix branches on gitorious, but they're getting fairly out of date now relative to master. |
| 18:45 | I don't really understand the process of rebasing them on a remote system like that | |
| 18:45 | * jcamins | perks up his ears, he doesn't understand either |
| 18:45 | owen | If I try to push a rebased branch from my dev system git complains about fast-forwards |
| 18:46 | chris | right |
| 18:46 | you'll probably want to force it | |
| 18:46 | owen: anyone else push to your branches? or just you? | |
| 18:46 | owen | Just me |
| 18:47 | chris | ok force is safe then |
| 18:47 | try | |
| 18:47 | git push -f | |
| 18:48 | owen | So the git warning about "losing history" is only valid if you've got others pushing to the same branch |
| 18:48 | chris_n | git++ |
| 18:49 | chris | if you do -f you force it to be the same as your local repo |
| 18:49 | thats dangerous if others have pushed, and you dont have those changes in your local repo | |
| 18:49 | if you instead do want that branch to be the same as your local branch (which i think you do) | |
| 18:49 | then the force is fine | |
| 18:53 | * owen | humbly thanks chris and his kids |
| 18:53 | jcamins | owen: so I think what chris is saying is "use the Force, owen." ;) |
| 18:59 | owen | Okay, 52 bugfix branches rebased against HEAD http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev |
| 18:59 | chris | wooot well done |
| 18:59 | jcamins | The Force is strong in this one. :D |
| 19:00 | cait | fast |
| 19:00 | :) | |
| 19:00 | owen | Is there a Jedi equivalent to "Ctrl-V?" |
| 19:00 | wizz_eat | "this is not the branch you're looking for " |
| 19:01 | chris | ok, time to play with the kids |
| 19:01 | back later | |
| 19:01 | cait | :) |
| 19:01 | owen | Enjoy your weekend chris |
| 19:01 | cait | -Bug-5037-hide-patron-cats-2010-08-27 |
| 19:02 | you can hide the patron's cats? :) | |
| 19:02 | * cait | goes to hide |
| 19:02 | owen | :D |
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| 19:04 | owen | chris_n: From your point of view is there anything I can do to help get these fixes into 3.2.1? |
| 19:04 | * owen | hoped, with many of them, that they'd make it into 3.2 |
| 19:05 | cait | owen: I thin some of them did |
| 19:05 | * owen | supposes, "Get signoffs" |
| 19:05 | chris_n | owen: if they are rebased against HEAD and you submit them, chris can push them and I'll backport them |
| 19:05 | that too :) | |
| 19:05 | owen | cait: I've been trying to trim any bugfix branch that made it into HEAD |
| 19:05 | cait | yeah, the one I thought about was not :( |
| 19:06 | owen: I can try to sign-off on some of them | |
| 19:07 | owen | that would be awesome cait |
| 19:07 | chris_n | owen: send along pull requests or submit the patches |
| 19:07 | cait | no problem :) |
| 19:07 | chris_n | lots of folks have been signing off |
| 19:08 | cait | galen did most of my older patches |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 19:08 | owen | See, I'm not sure what the protocol is: All of these have had patches submitted, but a while ago now |
| 19:08 | cait | I think I have only one or two left for rebasing now |
| 19:08 | owen | I don't know what the statute of limitations is |
| 19:09 | * chris_n | has several patches buried in the mail too |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | owen: there is none |
| 19:10 | cait | statute of limitation? |
| 19:10 | gmcharlt | right |
| 19:10 | though as a practical matter, resubmitting the most important ones will bring it to more attention | |
| 19:12 | owen | cait: "statute of limitation" is a phrase usually used in the legal sense: The time after which someone can no longer be tried for a crime |
| 19:12 | * owen | 's crime is loving Koha too much *sniff* |
| 19:12 | cait | ah |
| 19:12 | there is no loving koha too much | |
| 19:12 | * trea | sings "if lovin' Koha's wrong, I don't wanna be right" |
| 19:13 | gmcharlt | trea: it didn't happen unless there's a YouTube video to prove it ;) |
| 19:13 | trea | stand by |
| 19:17 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:17 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.6�C (8:34 PM CET on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:17 | cait | evil wind |
| 19:19 | wizz_eat | @wunder lawrence, ks |
| 19:19 | munin | wizz_eat: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 9.8�C (1:32 PM CST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:19 | wizz_eat is now known as wizzyrea | |
| 19:19 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 19:19 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.0�C (11:32 AM PST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:20 | brendan | cool today - had to wear a heavy sweater to make it to work |
| 19:20 | cait | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 19:20 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 13, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:21 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 19:21 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 16.8�C (2:35 PM EST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1026.6 hPa (Steady). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 3 PM EST this afternoon... |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | aw! nice! |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Coastal *flood* advisory? |
| 19:21 | There's not a cloud in the sky. | |
| 19:23 | [cue ominmous thunder] | |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | it's poseidon |
| 19:24 | trea | i'm sure there's a kraken joke in there somehow |
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| 19:31 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 19:31 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 19.0�C (2:40 PM EST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:31 | * jcamins | needs to learn German |
| 19:31 | cait | ? |
| 19:31 | why? :) | |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Skimming a 20-page German article looking for something that looks like "half sheet imposition" is hopeless. |
| 19:32 | 25-page. | |
| 19:32 | cait | I would offer to help, but I have no idea what a "half sheet imposition" is |
| 19:32 | * owen | neither, and he speaks passable English |
| 19:33 | jcamins | It's a method of printing in the hand press period (say, before 1800). Basically instead of printing the entire side of a sheet of paper at once, they'd print half of one side, then turn the paper around to print the other half. |
| 19:34 | owen | My printmaker friends from college would roll their eyes at my ignorance. |
| 19:34 | jcamins | owen: at least you had printmaker friends from college. This brings you much closer to being an expert than most people. ;) |
| 19:37 | cait | want me to have a look? |
| 19:37 | jcamins | cait: it's a printed article. :( |
| 19:37 | cait | hm ok |
| 19:38 | want me to try and find out the German term? | |
| 19:38 | jcamins | Oh, yes please! |
| 19:40 | cait | ok, no promise, but trying |
| 19:40 | danielg | danielg says hi |
| 19:41 | owen | Hi danielg |
| 19:41 | trea | hail danielg |
| 19:42 | danielg | i've had a bad cold since the day i got home from nz. today i'm passing time lurking here |
| 19:42 | * owen | urges danielg to identify the faces in his kohacon Flickr photos |
| 19:42 | cait | oooh - I got it from you!! |
| 19:42 | sekjal | sorry, to hear that, danielg |
| 19:42 | cait | but get better.... ;) |
| 19:43 | danielg | cait: thanks, but i thought i got it from you! |
| 19:43 | cait | from me? never |
| 19:43 | danielg | sekjal: thanks |
| 19:44 | owen: i id'ed everyone whose flicker nick i knew, but that was only 4 | |
| 19:44 | owen | I was thinking captions or notes danielg |
| 19:44 | * owen | is trying to live vicariously |
| 19:45 | danielg | owen: i got excited by my new camera, took too many photos, and put them all up. i need to cull them |
| 19:46 | i can't even send links to friends yet. who wants to look at 200 photos of geeks at dinner? | |
| 19:46 | present company excluded, of course | |
| 19:46 | jcamins | danielg: if you have enough pictures, I can look at one every second and pretend I was there. ;) |
| 19:47 | Well, every minute, anyway. | |
| 19:47 | danielg | jcamins: have at it! http://www.flickr.com/photos/68583087@N00/ |
| 19:48 | * jcamins | wishes he had gotten to go to KohaCon10. :( |
| 19:50 | cait | jcamins: I found a hint in google books: halb-bogen-verfahren |
| 19:50 | danielg | jcamins: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kohacon10&w=all yields 970 opportunities for vicarious nostalgia |
| 19:50 | jcamins | cait: oh, thank you! |
| 19:51 | * jcamins | goes through the article looking for a phrase that looks something like "halb bogen verfahren" |
| 19:52 | cait | hope it's the right term, but it makes sense. |
| 19:53 | but it could use another term perhaps :( | |
| 19:53 | jcamins | I have a feeling that this article doesn't talk about the printing at all anyway. |
| 20:01 | owen left #koha | |
| 20:16 | cait | nah |
| 20:16 | now owen ran away | |
| 20:17 | was about to ask him where to start with his patches! | |
| 20:17 | jcamins | So, what does everyone thing... should I add a location code "Freezer" for the books that we have in the freezer? |
| 20:18 | Or should "freezer" be a shelving location? | |
| 20:18 | gmcharlt | shelving location is probably fine unless you also have a circulation desk inside the freezer |
| 20:18 | in which case, well, I pity the circulation clerk ;) | |
| 20:18 | jcamins | :) |
| 20:19 | trea | danielg: good looking pics! |
| 20:20 | * jwagner | hasn't had time to look at anyone's pics yet, but hopes to get to that soon! |
| 20:20 | jcamins | I'll call the shelving location "Preservation freezer," so it sounds better. |
| 20:20 | cait | :) |
| 20:22 | danielg | trea: thanks! quite a few of you in there. |
| 20:22 | btw, i'm still waiting to hear "if loving koha's wrong" | |
| 20:23 | "and am i wrong to give my love to an ILS?" | |
| 20:24 | jcamins | danielg: it's not the same, but I am finding myself endlessly amused by this record I just edited: http://donum.numismatics.org/c[…]blionumber=175684 |
| 20:24 | (it's *definitely* Friday) | |
| 20:25 | danielg | "Firefox can't find the server at donum.numismatics.org" |
| 20:26 | jcamins | danielg: http://67.23.24.39/cgi-bin/koh[…]blionumber=175684 |
| 20:26 | chris | danielg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9eTwoHQvVA |
| 20:26 | jcamins | I guess this means our DNS is not actually working. |
| 20:27 | danielg | chris: awww, i'm teary and nostalgic just by the name |
| 20:27 | chris | its cheesy as hell (on purpose) |
| 20:28 | danielg | i should hope it wasn't accidental! |
| 20:28 | trea | chris: wizzyrea and i were laughing over that last night |
| 20:30 | jwagner | Have a good weekend, everyone. |
| 20:30 | jwagner left #koha | |
| 20:32 | danielg | jwagner: thanks, you too. get well! |
| 20:33 | trea: just watched it. was laughing, too, when i wasn't cringing | |
| 20:33 | trea | heh |
| 20:33 | jcamins: http://dnssy.com/report.php?q=numismatics.org | |
| 20:38 | jcamins | trea: Ironically, it would seem I can't access that site. |
| 20:42 | Ah, there we go. | |
| 20:42 | "None of your nameservers returned an SOA record for your domain." | |
| 20:44 | trea | ....yea |
| 20:44 | :/ | |
| 20:45 | * jcamins | likes not having anything to do with the DNS server |
| 20:49 | trea | lucky you |
| 20:51 | danielg | jcamins: ok, i can see it now. that title's pretty amusing--and obscure |
| 20:51 | jcamins | danielg: the part that's making me laugh is the item record. |
| 20:51 | danielg | the freezer? |
| 20:51 | * jcamins | giggles |
| 20:51 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 20:52 | It drew some comments when our Executive Director wanted to store some steaks in the freezer. | |
| 20:53 | Well, less comment and more bafflement. | |
| 20:55 | danielg | what else ya got in that freezer? |
| 20:56 | jcamins | I should probably figure that out and transfer those items to the freezer shelving location, too, huh? |
| 20:56 | Just a couple books from Uzbekistan, I think. | |
| 20:57 | danielg | i imagine that preservationists find nothing whatsoever amusing or unusual about this |
| 20:57 | jcamins | That's probably true. |
| 20:58 | They probably also don't see the need for a note that says "please do not eat." | |
| 20:58 | danielg | ha! |
| 20:58 | * chris_n | kept some 400 year old leaves in his freezer after they became submerged in muddy water |
| 20:58 | chris_n | they were later sent off to be cleaned |
| 20:59 | leaves of books that is :) | |
| 20:59 | danielg | of paper? |
| 20:59 | ok | |
| 20:59 | chris_n | right |
| 20:59 | danielg | speaking of freezers, lunchtime. hope to find no books, steaks, or muddy leaves |
| 21:00 | jcamins | danielg: I guess you're a vegetarian? |
| 21:00 | :) | |
| 21:00 | danielg | ya |
| 21:00 | * chris_n | heads out to find food |
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| 21:17 | cait | hmpf, missed obvious flaw while testing :( |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | cait: it happens, no big deals |
| 21:26 | that's why the expression is 'many eyes make bugs shallow', not 'two eyes' :) | |
| 21:26 | cait | gmcharlt: but still annoying - really checked it iin opac and intranet |
| 21:28 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 21:28 | jcamins_a | Good night, #koha |
| 21:28 | Have a good weekend. | |
| 21:30 | cait | gmcharlt: I am going to fix it |
| 21:30 | gmcharlt | cait++ |
| 21:35 | cait | bye jcamins - you too |
| 21:35 | thd | gmcharlt: What does Evergreen do for Yaz to function as a gateway fo SQL queries to send to Postgres? |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | Evergreen has a SRU/W gateway |
| 21:37 | thd | gmcharlt: Written in Perl? |
| 21:37 | gmcharlt | so user => Z39.50 => simple2zoom => translate into SRU/W => query EG SRU/W gateway => OpenSRF => lots of middleware Perl and stored procedures => tsearch2 |
| 21:38 | one could in theory use EG as an external search engine for Koha, but at present, if you do so, you might as well just run Evergreen directly | |
| 21:38 | thd | gmcharlt: why do I not see gmcharlt in the list of #koha users in my IRC client? |
| 21:39 | trea | thd: he's ops |
| 21:39 | thd | oh there you are |
| 21:39 | :) | |
| 21:39 | I thought that I had looked there | |
| 21:40 | Sorry gmcharlt, I thought that I had been communicating with a ghost :) | |
| 21:47 | gmcharlt: have you ever investigated the prospect of using Yaz as a gateway server for anything other than PQF or CQL? | |
| 21:55 | trea | @wunder 66049 |
| 21:55 | munin | trea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.3�C (4:12 PM CST on November 12, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:55 | cait | gmcharlt: done - hope I missed nothing this time :) |
| 21:56 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | til later, my friends. |
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| 22:03 | cait | ok, bed time - good night all |
| 22:03 | cait left #koha | |
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| 22:23 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5059' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e9706f0fdc5be3e7f> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5058' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1a19f506a942bc897> / Bug 5059: Inconsistent use of ordering price and list price in vendor form <http://git.koha-community.org/ |
| 22:26 | gmcharlt | thd: in order to do what? |
| 22:28 | thd | gmcharlt: pass a query to in one possibility Solr/Lucene which is available as newly added but hardly documented feature. |
| 22:29 | hudsonbot | Starting build 148 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 22:30 | thd | gmcharlt: I had presumed that was only with Yaz as a Z39.50/SRU client however there is some mere suggestion in the documentation of using Yaz as a server. |
| 22:36 | gmcharlt: Yaz could be used under a model similar to Evergreen: user => Z39.50 => simple2zoom => translate into SRU CQL => translate into Solr/Lucene query => Solr/Lucene but two problems. | |
| 22:37 | gmcharlt: Almost no documentation and basic CQL does not have all the nice Bib-1 use attributes available for configuration. | |
| 22:39 | gmcharlt: Older parts of the documentation hint at other possibilities which might use PQF but only hint. | |
| 22:40 | Maybe there is a new example configuration file for Pazpar2 using Solr/Lucene. | |
| 22:43 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5393 [SIGNED-OFF]: add test case to check well-formedness of XML/XSLT files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5626a7190c75218a8> |
| 22:50 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #148: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/148/ |
| 22:50 | * Katrin Fischer: BUG 5058: small layout correction of vendor form | |
| 22:50 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 5059: Inconsistent use of ordering price and list price in vendor form | |
| 22:50 | Starting build 149 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 22:51 | chris | stuff.co.nz up for people? |
| 22:52 | gmcharlt | chris: yep |
| 22:52 | chris | thanks |
| 22:52 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]out-in-Wellington | |
| 22:52 | this line is scary | |
| 22:53 | The power was cut to the CBD, Te Aro and Mt Cook about 8.30am when a contractor "made contact with an 11kV feeder underground,'' according to Wellington Electricity spokesman Ryan Auger. | |
| 22:53 | thats not something you want to make contact with :) | |
| 22:55 | slef | yeah but it was a contractor |
| 22:55 | SE London last year, someone tried to steal a live feeder. | |
| 22:56 | chris | did they survive? |
| 22:56 | slef | as far as we know |
| 22:57 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/ukfs[…]59600/8159620.stm | |
| 22:57 | I can't find the report that claimed the vandalism was attempted theft. | |
| 22:57 | bbl | |
| 22:57 | chris | poor simon will be having a crap day too |
| 22:58 | http://citylink.co.nz/status/ | |
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| 23:10 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #149: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/Koha_Master/149/ |
| 23:10 | Galen Charlton: bug 5393 [SIGNED-OFF]: add test case to check well-formedness of XML/XSLT files | |
| 23:12 | chris | 1924 tests |
| 23:12 | all passing | |
| 23:12 | we are slowly getting there | |
| 23:13 | Brooke | *cheer* |
| 23:13 | slow and steady wins the race | |
| 23:13 | chris | yes, its much more productive than lets rip everything apart and start again |
| 23:14 | Brooke | (though slow is not a hallmark of this project. It's more like watch the RM be whipped into a froth.) |
| 23:15 | chris | and now back to dealing wit the fallout from major outages |
| 23:16 | Brooke | *comfort* |
| 23:16 | yeah I should go "make" dinner | |
| 23:17 | but the cloud is posted. | |
| 23:17 | :D | |
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