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| 00:17 | nengard | so sad :( http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/5116260332/ hehe |
| 00:18 | wizzyrea_ | shameful! |
| 00:18 | braedon | is BK all wellington has to offer? :P |
| 00:19 | wizzyrea_ | I had a lovely kebab |
| 00:19 | :P | |
| 00:19 | braedon | what was all that fuss about win7? |
| 00:19 | * braedon | is reading the feed |
| 00:20 | nengard | summary on my blog of that talk braedon |
| 00:20 | braedon | o, it was part of a pres? |
| 00:20 | nengard | yes |
| 00:20 | braedon | i assumed it was a technical glitch |
| 00:20 | found it | |
| 00:20 | thanks | |
| 00:20 | * chris_n | makes the first push toward 3.2.1 |
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| 00:21 | chris_n | nengard: that is sad indeed ;) |
| 00:21 | wizzyrea_ | chris_n++ |
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| 00:21 | * chris_n | refused to eat McD's when he visited Spain |
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| 00:21 | nengard | i think sekjal is listening to paul_p and not seeing his picture :) |
| 00:22 | wizzyrea_ | we broke down once in the airport, and had dunkin and a mcmuffin (but that was spud and the hubs... I AM STILL PURE) |
| 00:22 | sekjal | I was in here late working on tickets for our clients, and had to grab something quick! |
| 00:22 | nengard | we ate at the library - it was DELICOUS!! |
| 00:22 | the real library - not the bar library | |
| 00:23 | wizzyrea_ | right, they have a good cafe there |
| 00:23 | nengard | sekjal++ for working :) |
| 00:23 | sekjal | I was also curious about the experience of BK out of America |
| 00:23 | wizzyrea_ | lol |
| 00:23 | bengard | what's the verdict? |
| 00:23 | sekjal | it's a little better. not much, but I don't feel as contaminated |
| 00:23 | chris_n | is it as bad as in America? |
| 00:23 | snap | |
| 00:23 | bengard | so less toxic waste in NZ BK? |
| 00:23 | sekjal | I think so. |
| 00:23 | bengard | well, they do seem to be more environmentally conscious here |
| 00:24 | braedon | still mainly cardboard and napkins though |
| 00:24 | sekjal | won't be doing it again |
| 00:24 | braedon | dagnamit |
| 00:24 | sekjal | trying not to eat the same place too many times; want to get a broad range of experience while I'm here |
| 00:25 | slef | is the wifi dead? |
| 00:25 | * braedon | keeps for getting not to make obscure references to cartoons here... |
| 00:25 | bengard | so you won't be going to get kebabs with Nate every night? |
| 00:25 | wizzyrea_ | no, but you can't have alternate dns in or it won't find the caenet website |
| 00:25 | cafenet* | |
| 00:25 | * wizzyrea_ | thought it was dead too |
| 00:25 | wizzyrea_ is now known as wizzyrea | |
| 00:26 | slef | nah, I have no wifi ap connection |
| 00:26 | sekjal | bengard: going to try not to, though those kebabs are pretty good! |
| 00:26 | bengard | heh |
| 00:27 | slef | I'll move nearer the back and see if I get a better ap link |
| 00:27 | I think I bit my tongue at lunch :-( | |
| 00:28 | wizzyrea | noes! |
| 00:28 | nengard | :( |
| 00:28 | braedon | could be it - wi-fi connections are all about how you hold your tongue |
| 00:28 | slef | aha I have wifi... brb |
| 00:29 | back! | |
| 00:30 | multinetwork_devices++ anyway | |
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| 00:57 | slef | paul_p++ |
| 00:58 | paul_p: I think you do not know how great that accent is :) | |
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| 00:58 | paul_p | slef, kidding or not ? (/me think yes) |
| 00:58 | slef | not |
| 00:59 | nengard | he's not kidding |
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| 01:00 | slef | paul_p: you ever heard of Antoine de Caunes? |
| 01:00 | wizzyrea_ | ^^ hehe |
| 01:00 | paul_p | slef, of course yes ! |
| 01:00 | slef | paul_p: he is cult hero on uk tv |
| 01:01 | I think you imagine it is like an anglo accent en francais | |
| 01:01 | which is bad, I know :) | |
| 01:01 | it's infinitely better than that. | |
| 01:02 | chilts | paul_p: do you have a Twitter account? |
| 01:03 | paul_p | chilts, paul_poulain |
| 01:03 | chilts | sweet, thanks :) |
| 01:03 | paul_p | slef, yep, even in France, he plays with his english accent, doing some performances in "frenglish" that are really lol ! |
| 01:03 | slef | oops not paul_p? |
| 01:04 | who did I link??? | |
| 01:04 | :) | |
| 01:04 | chilts | slef: dunno, but I copied and got it wrong too :) |
| 01:04 | nengard | slef i think that was my fault - i linked to paul_p first and then saw that I did the wrong thing and everyone followed suit |
| 01:04 | chilts | heh |
| 01:04 | slef | yeah I was copying |
| 01:04 | chilts | welcome to the internet and copying info without checking sources :D |
| 01:04 | paul_p | slef, on twitter, no, it's paul_poulain |
| 01:05 | slef | is that a bugmeme? |
| 01:05 | chilts | memebad |
| 01:05 | :) | |
| 01:05 | wizzyrea_ left #koha | |
| 01:05 | slef | chilts: yeah, I was double-checking that sofia is in bulgaria about 10mins before I spoke |
| 01:06 | as I remembered that I'd looked that up on wikipedia instead of a real source | |
| 01:06 | which is dangerous | |
| 01:10 | Nate joined #koha | |
| 01:11 | paul_p | nengard, In 2002 Koha 2.1 was released along with the introduction => In 2002 Koha 1.2 was released along with the introduction (1.2 not 2.1) |
| 01:11 | nengard | oopsie - typo - will fix |
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| 01:12 | nengard | fixed |
| 01:13 | why do i smell something cinnamony? who has yummy sugar behind me? | |
| 01:14 | wizzyrea_ | I smell it too, I think it's her pastry |
| 01:14 | cait | I think it's the woman in front of me |
| 01:14 | wizzyrea_ | ---------> |
| 01:14 | * cait | smells the cinnamon too |
| 01:15 | nengard | cait - oh there she is!! :) |
| 01:17 | slef | #weSupportHLT |
| 01:17 | ? | |
| 01:18 | cait | ? |
| 01:18 | slef | see twitter.com/mjray |
| 01:18 | paul_p | nengard, (thanks) |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea_ | hehe, "simulates a modern library" |
| 01:18 | uh... | |
| 01:18 | cait | paul_p: she is right |
| 01:19 | you did very well | |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea_ | kind of *is* a modern library |
| 01:19 | >.> | |
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| 01:19 | paul_p | cinnamon has not reached my line yet ;-) |
| 01:20 | wizzyrea_ | the cinnamon bun is nearly devoured |
| 01:20 | so ti may not waft to you | |
| 01:21 | Nate | I smell kebabs |
| 01:21 | Kebabs.... Mmmmmmm | |
| 01:21 | wizzyrea_ | lol |
| 01:21 | (that's your breath, dude) | |
| 01:21 | >.> | |
| 01:21 | * magnus | thought we just had lunch |
| 01:22 | Nate | O.O |
| 01:22 | wizzyrea_ | ^.^ kidding, kidding |
| 01:23 | Nate | :D |
| 01:26 | bengard | kebab: it's like a popsicle, only made of meat |
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| 01:32 | magnus | oh no, she says "KOHA"... |
| 01:34 | sekjal | magnus: only on a couple of the slides, though |
| 01:35 | wizzyrea_ | I got an email from one of my librarians with the dreaded all caps this morning |
| 01:35 | well, yesterday afternoon for them really. :P | |
| 01:37 | sekjal | does anyone remember if we've discussed setting up a Kete instance for the Koha community? I feel like it may have come up before, but my initial searches just return info on integration |
| 01:37 | wizzyrea_ | I don't think we have |
| 01:38 | sekjal | I think it'd be pretty cool |
| 01:38 | wizzyrea_ | agreed... what would we keep in it? |
| 01:39 | cait | wizzyrea: what I see a lot is KoHa *shivers* |
| 01:39 | sekjal | well, all the wiki content could fit there |
| 01:39 | video tutorials | |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea_ | !! |
| 01:39 | sekjal | conference recordings |
| 01:39 | slef | yeah well some dev co spent years flaming kea, so kete didn't really get considered ever |
| 01:39 | sekjal | images from conferences, regional get togethers, what-have-you |
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| 01:41 | sekjal | could add icon sets, logos, other image files to connect to your system preferences |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea_ | so you're thinking of replacing the wiki? |
| 01:41 | I like the idea of keeping the multimedia content there | |
| 01:41 | sekjal | also sound files to use in the HTML5 parts of circ |
| 01:42 | magnus | i think the wiki is better for text - easier to create links |
| 01:42 | wizzyrea_ | the obvious question that you'll get, I think, is "why can't you put that stuff on the wiki?" |
| 01:42 | magnus | but kete would be great for files/documents etc |
| 01:42 | wizzyrea_ | ^^ |
| 01:42 | cait | perhaps replace kohadocs? |
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| 01:42 | sekjal | would be easy to pull in content from a Kete into Koha directly, as we saw yesterday |
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| 01:43 | sekjal | have dynamic connections for the help files, perhaps |
| 01:43 | wizzyrea_ | well frankly, we should be doing that *already* |
| 01:43 | nengard, have you done much work in those internal help files? | |
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| 01:44 | wizzyrea_ | that was kind of a random disconnect |
| 01:44 | wizzyrea_ is now known as wizzyrea | |
| 01:46 | sekjal | another benefit: if we find that we need to stretch Kete to make it meet our needs, we're contributing to a sister system |
| 01:46 | wizzyrea | do note I'm not opposed to kete-koha |
| 01:46 | sekjal | I do realize it would duplicate a lot of what's in the wiki |
| 01:46 | but don't we get a lot of folks lamenting dealing with wiki syntax? | |
| 01:47 | wizzyrea | yes, indeed we do |
| 01:47 | sekjal | my understanding is that Kete has a lower barrier for entry |
| 01:48 | richard left #koha | |
| 01:50 | wizzyrea | that's probably true, wiki syntax sucks and does take time to learn |
| 01:52 | chilts | can anyone let me know what that script is (I think) which sets up your machine to serve from your Git checkout? |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | anybody have some tylenol? Ms. Wagner is in dire need :/ |
| 01:53 | chilts | some kind of install thing |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | Makefile.pl sets dev vs. standard install |
| 01:53 | is that what you're thinking of? | |
| 01:56 | chilts | yeah, sounds like it |
| 01:56 | so perl Makefile.PL, make, then make install ... and it'll ask me what type of install I want? | |
| 01:56 | (sudo make install) :D | |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | yea, makefil.pl should ask you what kind you want |
| 01:56 | chilts | excellent, thanks wizzyrea |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | Makefile.pl |
| 01:56 | that is :) | |
| 01:56 | sekjal | Makefile.PL |
| 01:56 | actually | |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | >.< |
| 01:56 | chilts | yup, saw that :) |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | what he said, lol |
| 01:57 | * wizzyrea | just undertook the cleanup of the lenny install docs, and should have gotten that right. Vacation has addled her brain |
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| 02:06 | slef | wizzyrea_: and addled your net link? |
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| 02:31 | bengard | mmm . . . kebabs |
| 02:31 | chilts | do we talk about kebabs? |
| 02:31 | darling | dang, now I'm hungry |
| 02:31 | chilts | :) |
| 02:31 | slef | cait: do you say kebaps? |
| 02:31 | cait | no, not really |
| 02:31 | bengard | also, nengard's pretty awesome, huh? |
| 02:31 | * cait | is not a big fan of kebabs |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | she's amazing ^.^ |
| 02:32 | you might be biased though | |
| 02:32 | bengard | me? no way! |
| 02:33 | cait | biased or not, he is right |
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| 02:34 | paul_p | nengard++ |
| 02:34 | robin-hom left #koha | |
| 02:34 | paul_p | the world is full of awesome ppl, but with nengard we've found a grade-A one !!! |
| 02:38 | magnus | hear, hear |
| 02:38 | slef | moo! |
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| 02:40 | wizzyrea | I just checked it, it's on every page of the manual |
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| 02:44 | nengard | awws shucks :) you're all so nice :) |
| 02:44 | slef | couldn't resist the will anyone pay call |
| 02:44 | I should really | |
| 02:45 | * slef | naughty |
| 02:50 | nengard | hehe :) |
| 02:50 | i didn't mind | |
| 02:50 | i've had much worse heckling at talks before :) | |
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| 02:52 | slef | I warned russel about that |
| 02:54 | nengard | okay my nose is smelling a sandwich now -- the cinnamon roll was better ;) |
| 02:55 | cait | hm, cinnamon rolls |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | spud's favorite |
| 02:58 | nengard | did he get one this morning? |
| 02:59 | darling | i think they're not highly available here |
| 02:59 | some nz sweets blind spots exist | |
| 03:00 | nengard | darling they are at breakfast - not the kind i'm used to at home - but they are cinnamon rolls |
| 03:00 | darling | cool! |
| 03:00 | dang, now I'm hungry | |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | no, I'm thinking that maybe what wellington *really* needs are proper cinnamon rolls |
| 03:01 | and since there aren't many | |
| 03:01 | you can do it relatively badly and still do ok :P | |
| 03:01 | braedon | you guys are obsessed |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | (it takes hard work to mess up cinnamon rolls properly) |
| 03:01 | darling | braedon, only on the important things |
| 03:02 | * wizzyrea | makes totally passable cinnamon rolls |
| 03:02 | darling | well pass some over here then |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 03:02 | * cait | wants one too |
| 03:02 | * braedon | will take 5 |
| 03:02 | * nengard | doesn't bake, but i can do the pillsbury rolls |
| 03:02 | nengard | totally craving sugar now - oh - i had a 'american style' brownie at lunch |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | someone get me a kitchen, stat >.> |
| 03:02 | nengard | it was yummy |
| 03:03 | darling | brownies here can be very miss -- tend to be too dry to bite |
| 03:03 | cait | I have a microwave in my room |
| 03:03 | but no oven :( | |
| 03:03 | darling | you can do a lot w/ a microwave |
| 03:03 | bengard | ovens in hotel rooms typically end in catastrophic fire, I'd guess |
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| 03:04 | darling | bengard, deep fryers too |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | our old room had a convection oven/micro |
| 03:04 | I miss that place :/ | |
| 03:04 | bengard | also campfires |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | blowtorches |
| 03:04 | bengard | flamethrowers |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | arc welders |
| 03:04 | braedon | breeder reactors |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | nuclear submarines! |
| 03:05 | nengard | oh boy - you guys got him started |
| 03:05 | bengard | ICBMs! |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | Saturn rockets! |
| 03:05 | bengard | Star Destroyers! |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | Scramjets! |
| 03:05 | bengard | wait, Star Destroyer beats Scramjet! |
| 03:06 | sekjal | Starscream? |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | ... a solar sail 1000km wide? I don't think so |
| 03:06 | or wait... sorry, that's focused radiation | |
| 03:06 | braedon | super star destroyers? |
| 03:06 | bengard | there you go |
| 03:06 | Death Stars! | |
| 03:06 | that's no moon! | |
| 03:06 | braedon | moons? |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | /facepalm |
| 03:07 | ok ok you win | |
| 03:07 | bengard | ;) |
| 03:07 | slef | huh? |
| 03:07 | cait | lol |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | things that cause fires in hotel rooms |
| 03:07 | bengard | that just means I'm a bigger geek |
| 03:07 | slef | I look away and it goes all star wars on me. |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | that might be true |
| 03:08 | darling | i hope you all were minding the presentation also |
| 03:08 | nengard | you're distracting me - can't blog a talk if i'm paying attnetion to you all :) |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | is that the ruler slap, teacher |
| 03:08 | slef | yeah, koha authoritative body to licence training, eh? |
| 03:08 | license even | |
| 03:08 | darling | the cert topic is interesting |
| 03:08 | slef | I blame they tiny keyboard |
| 03:09 | the even | |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | that's a pretty library |
| 03:09 | cait | made a note to ask my library school about a koha workshop |
| 03:09 | * cait | remembers it was all talk and we never really got to play with something |
| 03:09 | bengard | hey, that's awesome |
| 03:10 | slef | ooh another rfid user |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | cait: should be much easier for them to install now that it's packaged for debian |
| 03:10 | slef | I think he told me that at coffee |
| 03:10 | cait | yeah, or we can use one of our installations |
| 03:10 | slef | I'm dizzy with all the rfid interest. |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | seriously, do no other koha libraries transit reserves with RFID? |
| 03:11 | or it really works ok for everyone else? | |
| 03:11 | cait | slef: lots of interest and use in rfid in Germany too |
| 03:11 | use of... | |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | because to hear the complaints from my only RFID library you'd think the whole thing was esplodey with nuclear proportions |
| 03:12 | slef | but is everyone else using proprietary or bespoke staff terminal devices |
| 03:12 | ? | |
| 03:12 | wizzyrea | actually, the RFID isn't the problem. It's the SIP that's the problem. So I should probably be more accurate |
| 03:13 | the RFID works fine | |
| 03:13 | slef | sip works |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea | HA |
| 03:13 | slef | except when it doesn't |
| 03:13 | cait | like everything |
| 03:13 | slef | then debugging is hell |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea | ^^ that |
| 03:13 | add on the fact that I don't have direct server access and I might as well be blind in the dark. | |
| 03:13 | slef | sip seems expensive to debug :-/ |
| 03:14 | wizzyrea | blind in the dark anyway really. Hrmph. |
| 03:14 | cait | it's difficult because you have to work with another company, can't test it all yourself |
| 03:14 | slef | maybe I should offer to write a sip debugger for koha |
| 03:14 | * cait | spend days on creating test cases for vendor |
| 03:14 | wizzyrea | yes. But... I've just hatched an idea |
| 03:14 | slef | but lots easier to do in hackfest |
| 03:15 | cait | slef: I think my coworker has something |
| 03:15 | slef | and I doubt catalyst has a selfcheck handy for hacking |
| 03:15 | cait | he can simulate sip requests, probably written in python |
| 03:15 | slef | yeah but debugging koha is not the problem |
| 03:15 | sekjal | if the community could agree on a set of standards for 'certifying' any given training program, anyone could offer up an accreditation for a training against those standards |
| 03:16 | slef | it's figuriong out what the self check sends and why |
| 03:16 | wizzyrea | kansas has just struggled through that re: general library training |
| 03:16 | slef | and why koha doesn't like that |
| 03:16 | cait | sekjal: why do we need that? |
| 03:16 | sekjal | not saying we need it |
| 03:16 | but we could do it | |
| 03:16 | if we wanted to | |
| 03:16 | cait | but shouldn't we have a reason to do it? |
| 03:16 | wizzyrea | I think it's a fine idea |
| 03:17 | cait | or perhaps I don't get it |
| 03:17 | slef | cait++ |
| 03:17 | sekjal | our presenter brought up the idea, so at least someone out there is thinking of it |
| 03:17 | slef | I almost commented when ptfs suggested ksf employing ppl to manage the community... like why do we want to pay bosses to whip us? |
| 03:18 | we beat ourselves up to go faster enough anyway | |
| 03:18 | just not always in ptfs's direction | |
| 03:19 | cait | sounds like adding a new barrier to me |
| 03:19 | sekjal | I'm just saying that if the community can agree on some general things that make a good training program, we could publish that list |
| 03:19 | cait | and who will certify people in other countries? |
| 03:19 | sekjal | then, if anyone does a training, someone else (anyone) can compare the program against the list to see if it jives |
| 03:19 | and anyone else can verify that verification, and so on | |
| 03:19 | web of trust | |
| 03:20 | cait | hm, tutorials for trainers sound like a good idea |
| 03:20 | check lists or something | |
| 03:20 | slef | train the trainers |
| 03:20 | sekjal | yes |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | Yea, that's handy |
| 03:20 | braedon | but who will train the trainer trainers? |
| 03:20 | sekjal | nengard |
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| 03:21 | nengard | was i just volunteered for something??? |
| 03:21 | sekjal | hehe |
| 03:21 | braedon | nengard, trainer of trainers |
| 03:22 | cait | nengard: want a cookie? |
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| 03:22 | * cait | tries to distracts nengard |
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| 03:22 | braedon | wizzrea and cait run away... |
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| 03:25 | cait | iam here |
| 03:25 | * cait | waves |
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| 04:13 | kmkale | Good morning all |
| 04:16 | braedon | 'mornin |
| 04:18 | kmkale | brb |
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| 04:57 | kmkale | Hi all |
| 04:58 | IN the enhanced content syspref it says "NOTE: if you have more than one source of cover images set up, Koha will use the first available. " but if I have Amazon AND Google cover images enabled, It displays both. How to prevent that? | |
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| 05:57 | chris | cool, got control of the freshmeat listing of koha |
| 05:58 | kmkale | hi chris |
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| 06:19 | chris | kmkale: it'll need a code change |
| 06:19 | they are pulled in by js | |
| 06:19 | and they js doesnt really know what the other js is doing | |
| 06:19 | Amit | heya chris, kmkale |
| 06:19 | kmkale | hi Amit |
| 06:19 | chris | heya Amit |
| 06:20 | kmkale | chris so the note displayed is a bug? |
| 06:20 | Amit | chris: i have send some patches for analytical records have u seen? |
| 06:20 | kmkale | I observed it behaves correctly by displaying only one image in staff client, but in OPAC it displays both if found |
| 06:31 | brb | |
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| 06:35 | chris | Amit: saw them, will apply them to a branch and get colin to do qa on them after kohacon10 |
| 06:35 | Amit | thanx chris |
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| 07:09 | mib_David | what kinds of hardware server requirements do you guys use? This would be for less than 25k records. |
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| 08:07 | mib_David | I'm getting some strange results back when I do a catalog search. I get several records of "0: No error: : ZOOM:" as the title and the final one says "10007: Timeout: : ZOOM". What might be causing this issue? |
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| 10:28 | kmkale | In a retrospective conversion of bib data to Koha where would I put Invoice Date, Invoice No, Order Date, Purchase Order Number? |
| 10:34 | slef | 952 subtags? |
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| 10:39 | kmkale | slef: I can accomodate Invoide Date in 952$d but what about the rest? |
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| 11:43 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
| 11:43 | * chris_n | misses munin |
| 11:43 | chris_n | gmcharlt: ping |
| 11:44 | nm | |
| 11:44 | gmcharlt | chris_n: you miss munin without the crown of op-hood? |
| 11:44 | chris_n | !hudson botsnack cinnamon melt |
| 11:44 | hudsonbot | chris_n: you're so kind to me! I just love cinnamon melt! |
| 11:45 | chris_n | gmcharlt: hehe |
| 11:46 | anyone about running fines.pl and then overdue_notices.pl who could verify the resulting notices are incorrect | |
| 11:47 | * chris_n | listens to the sound of the echo of his voice slowly die away in the distance |
| 11:48 | kmkale | incorrect how chris_n ? I am running fines & overdue |
| 11:48 | chris_n | on the first day the item is overdue, the notice shows a fine of $0.00 which is incorrect, yet the patron's account shows $0.25 which is correct |
| 11:51 | kmkale | I can verify tomorrow. That library is closed for the day by now. |
| 11:51 | chris_n | kmkale: thanks |
| 11:51 | me thinks there is a bug | |
| 11:53 | kmkale | chris_n: gmcharlt: sorry for repeating my question but In a retrospective conversion of bib data to Koha where would I put Invoice Date, Invoice No, Order Date, Purchase Order Number? |
| 11:53 | * chris_n | is afraid he is not much help there |
| 11:54 | gmcharlt | kmkale: such data wouldn't be embedded in the bib record; you'd need to populate tables like aqorders directly |
| 11:55 | kmkale | gmcharlt: ouch! was afraid of that answer |
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| 11:56 | kmkale | One more on Enhanced contents syspref page it says "NOTE: if you have more than one source of cover images set up, Koha will use the first available." |
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| 11:56 | kmkale | but in OPAC if cover images are available from both Amazon & Google it displays both. Bug? |
| 11:57 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 11:57 | syspref description is currently incorrect | |
| 11:57 | kmkale | So display of multiple images it the correct behavior? |
| 11:59 | gmcharlt | define correct :) however, having it display just one image and query multiple sources, a la the syspref description, seems like more desirable behavior |
| 12:00 | kmkale | somehow seems wrong. If an image is found it should stop.. chris earlier said it was one js unaware of the other & needs a code change. |
| 12:02 | gmcharlt | right |
| 12:02 | doing some revamping of the book jacket code would be a good thing | |
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| 12:06 | kmkale | opps in the network |
| 12:08 | gmcharlt: any chance of patch bug 4440 getting into next version? | |
| 12:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts |
| 12:09 | chris_n | I'd say so |
| 12:09 | kmkale | thanks chris_n |
| 12:09 | gmcharlt | agreed |
| 12:10 | kmkale | thanks gmcharlt |
| 12:10 | chris_n | I think there are several new features already working that will be pushed rather quickly |
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| 12:31 | chris_n | hi schuster |
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| 12:36 | schuster | Hey!... pretty quiet when half the community is in the same room... ;( |
| 12:44 | * gmcharlt | uses really big bullhorn to shout to New Zealand: WAKE UP |
| 12:48 | kmkale | :) |
| 13:05 | its good to put faces to peoples names by looking at flicker photos | |
| 13:13 | schuster | Yep it is fun... I like to make comments on the picture out of context... he he he... |
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| 13:31 | kmkale | bye all |
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| 13:42 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
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| 14:14 | brendan | morning |
| 14:14 | jcamins | gmcharlt: what are the changes that you're pushing into the git repository for? I mean, is HEAD still 3.2-branch or is it 3.4? |
| 14:15 | gmcharlt | jcamins: bugfixes meant to be cherry-picked to 3.2.x |
| 14:15 | I am also pushing out new topic branches at times | |
| 14:16 | jcamins | I see. |
| 14:18 | Thanks. | |
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| 14:43 | brendan | alright - I need some help with some logic here |
| 14:43 | let's say I pull a record in via Z3950 and it's already got some 952's info in there | |
| 14:43 | in acq that is | |
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| 14:44 | brendan | of course the extra items will not show in the opac of staff details view - but if I go to item-editor I can see all those extra items in there |
| 14:44 | should a bit of logic be added somewhere? | |
| 14:45 | gmcharlt | it should either be stripping the 952s or creating real items |
| 14:45 | brendan | a good example is here --> http://catalog.paine.edu/cgi-b[…]iblionumber=57480 |
| 14:45 | look at the MARC view | |
| 14:45 | gmcharlt | a random Z39.50 server likely won't have 952s that mean anything to the library |
| 14:46 | but if a vendor is provding a MARC file of reords to order from, they potentially could be creating item records for the library | |
| 14:46 | brendan | right it doesn't mean anything to normal views - but going into the item-editor -it's got 10 extra items |
| 14:47 | so some logic to the Add to Order for Z3950 - that it shouldn't pull in 952's ? | |
| 14:47 | I think that wouldn't be helpful | |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | would or wouldn't? |
| 14:49 | brendan | I'm not sure that's where my logic is failing me |
| 14:50 | like you said - reorders or going to a vendor with Z3950 then it could be helpful to have the 952 already in there? | |
| 14:50 | gmcharlt | well, that's a matter for the profile that the library has set up with the materials vendor |
| 14:50 | brendan | would acq even recognize a reorder (item info) in the 952 |
| 14:51 | so reorder don't do that in acq. but in normal staged marc records | |
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| 16:02 | brendan | heya joetho |
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| 17:42 | drulm | Hello |
| 17:48 | brendan | morning |
| 17:48 | drulm | Are you at the conference? If so how is it? |
| 17:48 | brendan | nope I'm at home in Cali |
| 17:48 | someone had to stay behind :) | |
| 17:49 | drulm | Drat, sorry to hear that! :) Well good job holding down the fort. |
| 17:51 | brendan | I hear that everyone is having a great time though |
| 17:54 | chris | i think im gonna have to change a lot of statuses today |
| 17:54 | brendan | from what to what? |
| 17:54 | you talking git? | |
| 17:54 | and good morning chris | |
| 17:55 | chris | http://kohacon10.mykoha.co.nz/[…]l?biblionumber=72 |
| 17:55 | koha statuses .. to damaged :) | |
| 17:55 | brendan | ah - says the brown cow |
| 17:55 | chris | i think a few people had big nights |
| 17:55 | brendan | heh |
| 17:55 | gmcharlt | lol |
| 17:55 | * chris | went home and got some sleep, feeling a lot more human today |
| 17:56 | brendan | create a new status - of "slighty hungover" or "this person is done" |
| 17:56 | chris | heh |
| 17:56 | gmcharlt | they may not appreciate that when filling out their expense forms ;) |
| 17:56 | brendan | or "this person needs to shower" |
| 17:56 | chris | heh |
| 17:57 | brendan | for Nate - "silly little hobbit" |
| 17:57 | chris | wow, kristina takes good photos |
| 17:57 | hehe | |
| 17:57 | drulm | Koha statuses, yeah |
| 17:58 | gmcharlt | brendan: speaking of which, I will be very disappointed if you tell me that ByWater's office doesn't have a round door |
| 17:58 | brendan | we're working on our hobbit hole |
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| 17:58 | drulm | The auto change feature in 3.2 for status change is going to be well liked - although can be scripted now |
| 17:58 | brendan | you need to speak elfish to make it past the security |
| 17:58 | chris | http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5116627927/ |
| 17:59 | one of my favourite slides, what could happen if koha was proprietary | |
| 18:00 | drulm | chris: ouch |
| 18:01 | gmcharlt | mellon! |
| 18:01 | chris | brendan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5113384619/ |
| 18:01 | brendan | heh go nate++ |
| 18:01 | almost galen | |
| 18:01 | how to say koha in elfish | |
| 18:01 | gmcharlt | brendan++ |
| 18:02 | * brendan | doesn't know - I have a rfid tag to get in |
| 18:02 | brendan | this in is great --> http://www.flickr.com/photos/4[…]0/in/photostream/ |
| 18:02 | hdl++ | |
| 18:03 | chris | http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5113369277/ <--- nothing like building a rod for your own back :) |
| 18:03 | brendan | I like the hands in the pocket approach - I usually talk with my hands too much |
| 18:03 | chris | thats magnus next to him |
| 18:03 | brendan | it's better than my native american name -- "eats with hands" |
| 18:04 | chris | at that table there was france, norway, us, fiji, nz and south africa |
| 18:05 | brendan | http://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/5113360017 #look at the grinning fool |
| 18:05 | chris | heh |
| 18:05 | she does take good photos | |
| 18:05 | right time to feed the kids | |
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| 18:06 | drulm | OK, progress on a koha mapping project - & working on a Javascript shelf selector to allow Koha admins to put multiple different shelf markers on a map - and animate automatically without creating 50 animated Gifs |
| 18:06 | Here is a video demo link: http://www.screencast.com/user[…]bb2d-e5c2970c689c | |
| 18:07 | Started working on it, but got too caught up in the grant PC project (we landed 50 new PCs for patrons - big grant) took lots of time | |
| 18:07 | Questions? Comments? :) | |
| 18:07 | brendan | pretty cool drulm |
| 18:08 | I'd have to play with it to get you any useful comments | |
| 18:09 | drulm | It is coming. NEU library in Turkey did this 3 years ago, but made a different custom animated gif for *each* location - So I want to make a rectangle selector to allow a library to quickly create location mapsby just showing where the shelves are and then animate the rectangles overlayed on the map |
| 18:09 | brendan | yeah that sounds to be more useful - than the NEU method |
| 18:10 | drulm | A collection of 50 locations could be done in an afternoon for a library with only a few maps - using the javascript library, there could even be selectable animations since they are so easy to do- librarians like choices! |
| 18:12 | Here is NEU grand: http://library.neu.edu.tr/cgi-[…]ha/opac-search.pl (click a barcode) - the current stuff I coded can do that now, but only if I want to manually create about 80 animated gifs or flash - | |
| 18:12 | OK, back to werk | |
| 18:19 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 18:19 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 20.2�C (11:31 AM PDT on October 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening... |
| 18:19 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 18:20 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 22.5�C (2:30 PM EDT on October 26, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:20 | brendan | ah a late start to kohacon today |
| 18:20 | 10:30 NZ time | |
| 18:27 | * chris_n | learns how to use lynx and irssi :-) |
| 18:27 | jcamins | chris_n++ # for learning super-useful tools |
| 18:30 | chris | brendan: I'm going in now anyway to work on branching stuff with biblibre to get it ready for qa |
| 18:31 | brendan | sweet |
| 18:31 | catch you in a bit than | |
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| 18:36 | chris | Farasat has awesome commitment |
| 18:36 | He's finally made it to wellington, started travelling on Friday!! | |
| 18:37 | brendan | oh man |
| 18:37 | jcamins | Wow! |
| 18:37 | chris | Stupid australian transit visas again |
| 18:37 | jcamins | Did Olugbenga make it? |
| 18:37 | chris | Nope :( but he skyped in |
| 18:37 | Was a great presentation | |
| 18:38 | Kohacon in nigeria within the next 10 years he says :) | |
| 18:38 | jcamins | Yeah, I heard. |
| 18:39 | I wasn't sure if he was Skyping from Nigeria or Singapore (was it Singapore he was trying to transit through?). | |
| 18:39 | chris | The airline wouldn't refund him, so to go through singapore would have been another 5k us |
| 18:40 | jcamins | Well, so much for my optimistic next question - "did they at least give him a refund?" |
| 18:41 | chris | we are going to try and get him the transit visa, keep pushing there |
| 18:41 | And then he can use the ticket and we run a mini conf | |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Oh, that makes sense. |
| 18:43 | chris | Be a shame to waste the money |
| 18:44 | jcamins | It certainly would be. |
| 18:46 | chris: I'm not sure this is clear from my commit messages, but -- in case anyone wants to poke at the easy cataloging interface -- the fix for bug 5311 is needed for the interface to correctly populate the language selector. | |
| 18:46 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5311 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Language dropdown in advanced search broken? |
| 18:46 | chris | jcamins: your simple cataloguing interface met with lots of approval |
| 18:46 | The idea of it anywya | |
| 18:46 | In my preso | |
| 18:47 | Ahh cool thanks | |
| 18:47 | jcamins | I'm glad people like the idea. |
| 18:47 | It is certainly necessary for me. | |
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| 18:47 | hdl | jcamins: is there a demo somwhere ? |
| 18:47 | jcamins | hdl: not one that works, because I haven't made it authenticate properly. |
| 18:48 | There's a mock-up here: http://demo.cpbibliography.com[…]dbiblio-simple.pl | |
| 18:48 | hdl | jcamins: Do you have that on a repo ? |
| 18:48 | jcamins | Of course! |
| 18:48 | http://github.com/jcamins/koha[…]simple_cataloging | |
| 18:49 | hdl: if you (or someone else from BibLibre) would check that my fix for Bug 5311 doesn't break anything for French UNIMARC Koha libraries, I'd be very grateful. | |
| 18:50 | hdl | is it based on pianohacker's work ? |
| 18:50 | I will try and test that tomorrow | |
| 18:50 | jcamins | Thank you! |
| 18:50 | No, I actually started from scratch, so that I wouldn't be mindlessly copying things that weren't relevant just because I didn't understand them. | |
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| 18:51 | jcamins | It's also written using Template::Toolkit because I figured if I was going to learn a templating system, I should learn the new one, not the old one. ;) |
| 18:52 | chris | Nice! |
| 18:52 | Ok my stop bbiab | |
| 18:53 | chris_n | TT++ |
| 18:53 | jcamins++ #for using it | |
| 18:53 | jcamins | I also redid the authority control bit, since the code we already had was tightly coupled to the addbiblio user interface. |
| 18:53 | tightly_coupled_logic_and_ui-- | |
| 18:54 | chris_n | MVC_framworks++ |
| 18:55 | jcamins | MVC_frameworks++ # because chris_n is absolutely right |
| 18:56 | I'm not sure what people will think of my AJAX-y authority control, but that was the easiest way I could come up with to make it work. | |
| 18:56 | And that's what code review is for. | |
| 18:57 | hdl | thx jcamins |
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| 19:10 | * chris_n | goes down for a reboot |
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| 19:12 | jcamins | Okay, time to head downtown for a meeting before I head back uptown for another meeting. |
| 19:12 | * jcamins | adds "invent teleporter device" to his to-do list |
| 19:12 | jcamins | Good night, #koha |
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| 19:19 | chris | back |
| 19:19 | found farasat, had a chat got his presentation loaded, hes now off to have a look at te papa | |
| 19:21 | brendan | wb chris |
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| 19:28 | richard | hi |
| 19:29 | chris | hi richard |
| 19:29 | richard | hiya chris |
| 19:29 | good day for the visitors | |
| 19:30 | brendan | hey richard |
| 19:30 | richard | hi brendan |
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| 20:25 | slef | I will get out of my room at some point. zzzz |
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| 21:04 | * brendan | feels like a little kid - "has kohacon started but up again - yet?" |
| 21:05 | brendan | tired of waiting ;) |
| 21:06 | sekjal | late start today |
| 21:06 | we're all gathering, chatting and firing up the equipment | |
| 21:09 | brendan | heya sekajl |
| 21:09 | whoops sekjal | |
| 21:10 | hdl | hi brendan |
| 21:11 | brendan | heya hdl |
| 21:11 | you all have some success with chris | |
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| 21:16 | cait | good morning #koha :) |
| 21:16 | sekjal | morning, cait! |
| 21:17 | brendan | morning cait |
| 21:18 | cait | morning brendan |
| 21:18 | * brendan | feels like he's the only one present who's not at #kohacon |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea_ | hey peeps |
| 21:18 | * cait | waves to liz |
| 21:18 | cait | spud better? |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea_ | yea I think he's feeling better |
| 21:20 | cait | good :) |
| 21:20 | hdl | brendan we miss you :) |
| 21:20 | brendan | awwhh thanks :) |
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| 21:24 | brendan | heya bankhead |
| 21:25 | there's another one who I know is not in NZ bankhead++ | |
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| 21:25 | brendan | heya nengard |
| 21:25 | nengard | hiya |
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| 21:25 | chilts | morning all :) |
| 21:26 | bengard | morning |
| 21:26 | brendan | heya bengard |
| 21:26 | bengard | how are you? |
| 21:27 | brendan | doing alright - tired of waiting for all you kohaians to wake up |
| 21:27 | bengard | heh |
| 21:27 | I could sleep more | |
| 21:27 | nengard | bengard's second coffee spilled all over :( |
| 21:27 | bengard | I got a large sized long black from the coffee shop, then took a sip, then proceeded to drop the whole thing before getting any more |
| 21:28 | brendan | actually all you kohirrim (likes the sound of that more) |
| 21:29 | bengard | that conjures up images of a bunch of librarians on horses, listening to other librarians on horses speak |
| 21:29 | brendan | bengard - worry that's suxy |
| 21:29 | bengard | indeed |
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| 21:44 | slef | everyone else on wifi cafenet ok? |
| 21:44 | * slef | can't connect again :-( |
| 21:44 | cait | had some problems to get in, but it's ok now |
| 21:44 | turned wifi off/on and it worked | |
| 21:45 | slef | I'll reboot my phone... |
| 21:45 | biab | |
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| 21:56 | slef | KOHA KHA KOHA KOAH |
| 21:56 | chris | heh |
| 21:56 | slef | heh, I can't type either |
| 21:56 | braedon|h | slef: this wifi issue is becoming a habit - did you byte your tongue again? |
| 21:57 | braedon|h is now known as braedon | |
| 21:58 | slef | braedon: I'm using the least upgradable foss os in the room I think. |
| 21:58 | braedon | which one? |
| 21:59 | slef | symbian |
| 21:59 | aha! I have wifi! | |
| 21:59 | cait | grats :) |
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| 22:01 | slef | ta-da! |
| 22:01 | but still... multinetwork++ | |
| 22:01 | braedon | ahh, symbian, the almost dead mobile os |
| 22:02 | slef | yeah, I still can't believe how badly the foundation is screwing it up |
| 22:02 | what was their peak market share? >60% | |
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| 22:10 | slef | call me stupid, but I didn't realise the presenter mic was wireless |
| 22:11 | I'm not used to using a mic for a lecture, as you can probably tell | |
| 22:17 | chilts | that was a pretty cool talk ... amazing how much use Koha has in other countries and also amazing not having known much about it before (speaking personally) |
| 22:17 | use=people using it rather than use=features :D | |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea_ | Koha seems to meet many people's needs |
| 22:18 | and it's nice to feel like you can actually help libraries around the world while also helping yourself | |
| 22:18 | a lot of times libraries get caught in the "local trap" | |
| 22:18 | especially when using proprietary software... they don't think bigger than themselves | |
| 22:18 | but koha lets them do that | |
| 22:19 | or encourages it anyway | |
| 22:21 | chris | yup |
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| 22:22 | chilts | wizzyrea_: too true :) |
| 22:23 | amazing what people can do given the starting point :) | |
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| 22:24 | slef | so lunch for 1h10 now? |
| 22:24 | cait | who is going for lunch? |
| 22:26 | chris | me me me |
| 22:26 | cait | yay |
| 22:26 | :) | |
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| 22:28 | yhager | not sure why, but apache stopped running koha perl files for some reason. I upgraded from 3.2rc to 3.2, and it worked, but after apache restart, it didn't |
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| 22:43 | slef | arghhhh |
| 22:44 | anyone find exxample trademark mutual recognition agreements online anywhere? | |
| 22:44 | don't really want to call lawyers but guess I should | |
| 22:55 | think this one will do | |
| 22:56 | will rewrite it after lunch | |
| 22:56 | put right names in and so on | |
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| 23:45 | slef | hihi |
| 23:46 | chris | slef: ill tell don off for forgetting you |
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| 23:52 | slef | chris: par for the course... |
| 23:53 | why does the coveritlive say we're in standby mode? | |
| 23:53 | chris | cos i havent logged into it today, will fix |
| 23:54 | slef | ok nm |
| 23:54 | didn't know if that = broken | |
| 23:54 | coveritlive_jargon-- | |
| 23:54 | chris | yeah |
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| 23:55 | slef | yo magnus ! |
| 23:55 | magnus | yo slef! |
| 23:56 | slef | not crit, but did he just say she ended up as a library? |
| 23:56 | chris | heh |
| 23:56 | slef | or is my hearing buggy? |
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