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| 01:27 | chris | jransom++ |
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| 01:34 | wasabi | !phb |
| 01:34 | phb | [To Catbert] Sometimes the only point of a meeting is to remind me how much I hate them all. (id: 17) |
| 01:35 | chris | heh |
| 01:35 | wasabi | my dilbert quote generator bot... |
| 01:35 | chris | nice |
| 01:35 | wasabi | http://pipsqueek.net/ |
| 01:36 | well, currently its just got phb quotes loaded... | |
| 01:36 | !phb 6 | |
| 01:36 | phb | Alice, I care about you... but only enough to improve your morale, not enough to be illegal in any possible way. So, tell me about your health, in the least specific way possible. (id: 6) |
| 01:38 | chris | wasabi++ |
| 01:38 | brilliant email | |
| 01:39 | ed hadnt even read the report properly :) | |
| 01:41 | cait1 | which list is wasabi's mail? |
| 01:41 | can't access my email account right now | |
| 01:42 | chris | the main koha list |
| 01:42 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]tober/025698.html | |
| 01:42 | cait1 | thd |
| 01:42 | thx | |
| 01:45 | wasabi | c&p's pledge reminds us that being a good Koha citizen/vendor is easy, after all |
| 01:46 | chris | if you need to do another email |
| 01:46 | equinox have a good one too | |
| 01:47 | http://blog.esilibrary.com/200[…]-equinox-promise/ | |
| 01:49 | wasabi | oooh, http://librariansmatter.com/bl[…]-you-want-to-see/ |
| 01:49 | thats a new one for me.. | |
| 01:54 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 01:55 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 01:55 | Can I give wasabi karma for an awesome e-mail, even though he mentions me? | |
| 01:56 | wasabi | you may... ;) |
| 01:56 | jcamins | wasabi++ # awesome e-mail |
| 01:56 | wasabi | !phb |
| 01:56 | phb | The three pillars of our pyramid are communication, integrity and teamwork. (id: 8) |
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| 02:02 | cait1 | good night all :) |
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| 02:07 | chris | poor wizzyrea |
| 02:07 | landed today, in this pants weather | |
| 02:07 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 02:07 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (3:00 PM NZDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Falling). |
| 02:08 | chris | man, now i want to install archlinux just to try yhager's package |
| 02:08 | yhager++ | |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Yeah, poor... wait... wizzyrea is in New Zealand. |
| 02:08 | * jcamins | is having trouble feeling *really* sorry for her |
| 02:10 | chris | hehe |
| 02:10 | its pretty foul today | |
| 02:10 | hopefully tomorrow will be nicer | |
| 02:12 | * chris | got utterly soakes spending 5 hours at the kids school fair |
| 02:12 | chris | but we did raise a bunch of money so thats good |
| 02:16 | yhager | chris: :) I love arch, but I know it is not very popular |
| 02:17 | jcamins | yhager: actually, everyone other than me on my other IRC channel uses Arch. I just told them to go install Koha. |
| 02:19 | chris | jcamins: http://twitter.com/#!/wizzyrea/status/27597458373 |
| 02:21 | jcamins | chris: I'm pretty blase about scary landings after flying from Kabul to Moscow via Baku. :P |
| 02:22 | Though I'll grant that it would be a lot worse with a little one. | |
| 02:23 | (interestingly, although I'm blase about the landings, I can't stand being in the air) | |
| 02:23 | chris | we have some good landings |
| 02:24 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]0&feature=related | |
| 02:27 | jcamins | Wow... that looks exactly like my landing in Baku felt. |
| 02:29 | chris | short runway |
| 02:29 | that gets crosswinds | |
| 02:29 | fun and games :) | |
| 02:30 | * jcamins | reconsiders NZ briefly, but decides he still wants to go |
| 02:30 | jcamins | And on that note, it's time to get some sleep so I can write a simplified cataloging interface tomorrow. |
| 02:30 | Good night, #koha. | |
| 02:31 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 02:31 | chris | gnite |
| 02:31 | jcamins_a | Actually, before I leave... chris, I don't suppose you have any screenshots of the pre-MARC Koha interface? |
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| 02:39 | chris | hmmm yes i think i do |
| 02:39 | lemme look | |
| 02:40 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…].php?g2_itemId=25 | |
| 02:41 | jcamins_a | Cool, thanks. |
| 02:42 | chris | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=5923 |
| 02:42 | thats 1.x something | |
| 02:42 | moving items between groups | |
| 02:42 | we had biblio->group->item | |
| 02:42 | ide | |
| 02:42 | a | |
| 02:42 | which kinda asploded with MARC :) | |
| 02:43 | jcamins_a | Yeah, I can see how it might. |
| 02:44 | By the way, DSC00194 may be the cutest picture ever. | |
| 02:44 | * jcamins_a | heads off to actually go to sleep this time |
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| 03:20 | alpocr | someone speaks Spanish? |
| 03:21 | I have a problem to install Koha... | |
| 03:21 | system says "production mode - trapped fatal error" in my browser | |
| 03:21 | What I can do ? | |
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| 05:02 | chris | reed: 2degrees is a good idea |
| 05:02 | and i wonder why ed c is so inistent on picking a fight | |
| 05:03 | and why cant i spell | |
| 05:03 | * chris | wanders off again |
| 05:14 | reed | chris, hey |
| 05:15 | cool, I'll drop them a note unless we know anybody who knows them | |
| 05:15 | how many attendees? how many non-nz? | |
| 05:16 | and re mail fights - yeah, something to do I reckon | |
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| 05:19 | Oak | \o |
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| 08:51 | chris | hmm it appears iphone software breaks threads pretty well |
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| 11:16 | cait | hi #koha |
| 11:50 | slef | hi |
| 12:05 | cait | hi slef :) |
| 14:15 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 14:15 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 14:16 | cait | hi jcamins :) |
| 14:20 | Oak | Good night #koha |
| 14:38 | Oak left #koha | |
| 15:09 | * jcamins | needs to get started working on a simplified cataloging interface |
| 15:27 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 15:27 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.1�C (5:38 PM CEST on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:32 | jcamins | cait: you used Ubuntu 10.10? |
| 15:32 | cait | yes |
| 15:33 | reminds me | |
| 15:33 | I have to set up the connection to my public repo | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | I guess I should probably upgrade. |
| 15:34 | I wonder what version of Ubuntu I have. | |
| 15:34 | cait | so far it worked ok |
| 15:35 | I installed it from git, didn't use the packages | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Yeah, I'll be installing from git, too. |
| 15:36 | 9.10. | |
| 15:38 | yhager left #koha | |
| 15:39 | * jcamins | sighs |
| 15:39 | jcamins | This is going to take forever. |
| 15:40 | cait | cookie? |
| 15:40 | *shares some chocolate chip cookies with jcamins to shorten the wait* | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:42 | It says you shouldn't run an upgrade under SSH. | |
| 15:44 | It doesn't say anything about not upgrading under screen. | |
| 15:51 | I think I'll bake some bread while I'm waiting. | |
| 15:52 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_b | |
| 15:57 | cait | hm bread |
| 16:29 | jcamins_b is now known as jcamins | |
| 16:29 | jcamins | First rise underway. |
| 16:32 | Hm. | |
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| 16:33 | chris | ohh attacking galen on the public lists |
| 16:33 | ptfs-- | |
| 16:34 | jcamins | Well, there's why they feel we need a foundation. |
| 16:34 | chris | the release took a while cos liblime went spastic half way through it, way to take responsibility amy |
| 16:35 | i see 1/ as a valid reason, the rest a foundation is not needed for | |
| 16:36 | and in fact the rest are all unenforcable, and show a misunderstanding of how free software works | |
| 16:36 | jcamins | Oh, I wasn't addressing the validity of the reasons, just saying, "there they are." |
| 16:37 | chris | ah well, that was my last email on the thread, im over it now |
| 16:37 | exactly 1 week to kohacon :) | |
| 16:37 | jcamins | Lucky. |
| 16:38 | Did you see the video of the Brooklyn Space Program launch? | |
| 16:38 | Nothing to do with Koha, but incredibly cool. | |
| 16:39 | And dizzying. | |
| 16:39 | chris | :) |
| 16:39 | indradg | chris, pm? |
| 16:39 | chris | anytime indradg :) |
| 16:39 | jcamins | chris: You should do this with your kids! http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2[…]id_send_ipho.html |
| 16:39 | cait | hi chris |
| 16:39 | chris | cept not with an iphone :) |
| 16:39 | jcamins | Well, no. |
| 16:39 | indradg | hi cait |
| 16:40 | jcamins | Open source all the way. |
| 16:40 | cait | hi indradg :) |
| 16:40 | * cait | checking the mailing list now |
| 16:40 | * indradg | is happy that the big, fat holiday season is almost over |
| 16:41 | chris | jcamins: it is a great idea though :) |
| 16:41 | hiya cait .... 2 days to go? | |
| 16:41 | jcamins | I want to do that with my kid, and I don't even want kids. |
| 16:41 | cait | yeah |
| 16:42 | doing laundry now and gathering things on my table | |
| 16:42 | chris | was real rainy yesterday and last night |
| 16:42 | you can ask wizzyrea :) | |
| 16:43 | cait | I envy her |
| 16:43 | have you met for lunch? | |
| 16:43 | * jcamins | does too |
| 16:43 | chris | the weather is supposed to be nicer by the end of the week |
| 16:43 | cait: today hopefully | |
| 16:43 | * indradg | really missing attending KohaCon this year... :( |
| 16:43 | chris | she only arrived yesterday afternoon, and i was at a school fair |
| 16:44 | but ill sneak out from work for lunch | |
| 16:44 | well, wont sneak out, dont need to, but will go out for lunch hehe | |
| 16:44 | indradg | lol |
| 16:45 | cait | :) |
| 16:45 | can't I skip the travel part and just wake up at nz tomorrow? | |
| 16:46 | hmpf. we really need beamers | |
| 16:47 | chris | hehe |
| 16:48 | jcamins | chris: can HLT not steward property? |
| 16:49 | chris | yup |
| 16:49 | they were voted to do just that | |
| 16:49 | jcamins | Okay, that was a terribly worded question on my part. |
| 16:49 | chris | being a registered charitable trust, its incredibly hard for them to break their charter, so they are a good steward |
| 16:50 | jcamins | Am I correct in believing that HLT can legally steward community property? |
| 16:50 | Okay, that's what I thought. | |
| 16:50 | chris | yus you are correct |
| 16:50 | jcamins | Excellent. |
| 16:55 | chris | the strange thing to me |
| 16:55 | is an idea that a foundation can magically provide 'governance' | |
| 16:55 | cait | every time I hear we need governance I feel a bit sick |
| 16:56 | chris | yeah me too |
| 16:56 | i hear 'I want to be in charge' | |
| 16:56 | whenever i hear that | |
| 16:56 | cait | I hear barriers |
| 16:56 | rules | |
| 16:57 | indradg | jcamins, being from India, and sharing similar jurisprudence structures... i can concur that reg charitable trust would have to be "reborn" to override their MoA and bylaws |
| 16:58 | cait | making |
| 16:59 | chris | cait: yup, rules that are unenforcable, but by existing provide barriers |
| 16:59 | cait | yep |
| 16:59 | thx, was fighting for words :) | |
| 17:00 | chris | :) |
| 17:00 | if you look at ohloh | |
| 17:00 | cait | I like the every person 1 vote |
| 17:00 | chris | me too |
| 17:00 | indradg | +1 |
| 17:00 | chris | no special favours |
| 17:00 | i agree with slef on that totall | |
| 17:00 | y | |
| 17:02 | https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/factoids/ | |
| 17:02 | that second factoid | |
| 17:02 | that tells me we are already very inclusive and all i can see by adding a bunch of rules is we would lose that | |
| 17:03 | https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/factoids/3837441 direct link | |
| 17:04 | slef | cait++ beamers |
| 17:05 | and please don't cite ohloh on the list, else I might reopen the liblime-relabelling-commit-authors period ;-) | |
| 17:05 | chris | heh |
| 17:05 | cait | ok, it's perhas a good idea not to ask? ;) |
| 17:05 | chris | they actually did that? |
| 17:06 | slef | Yeah, just before liblime went silent. I did look for an example a few days ago, but I gave up. Much better that I get on reconciling 3.0.x.coop with 3.0.x |
| 17:07 | chris | ah well |
| 17:07 | slef | I think it was if a patch was in the BTS and not emailed but I could be wrong. |
| 17:07 | chris | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ster/authors.html |
| 17:07 | slef | So probably incompetence rather than malice, but still... |
| 17:09 | I suspect you can find a mailing list post with me whinging about it if you look hard enough (might have been koha-manage when that was still live), but it was from a time when I was whinging far too much (I blame forker's pain) so it might be very hard. | |
| 17:09 | gmcharlt | chris: would appreciate testing of the patch I just pushed for 3164 |
| 17:09 | slef | bbl |
| 17:10 | * chris | looks |
| 17:10 | slef | (I'm packing. Not going well.) |
| 17:10 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 17:10 | chris | slef: layers! |
| 17:10 | and a rainproof jacket :) | |
| 17:10 | * cait | is listening to the washing machine |
| 17:10 | chris | ohh cool |
| 17:10 | cait | does that count as packing too? |
| 17:11 | chris | i cant recall who was talking about that here |
| 17:11 | cait | me |
| 17:11 | chris | but thats easy to test |
| 17:11 | cait | probably, if you are talking about the bug :) |
| 17:11 | * chris | goes to look now |
| 17:11 | cait | it's one of the top of my list, breaking an existing feature |
| 17:12 | chris | ahh the old trailing slash |
| 17:12 | good spotting | |
| 17:13 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 3164: fix OPAC holds in SingleBranchMode <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fc29efa9ce27f7336> |
| 17:18 | chris | switching to singlebranchmode now |
| 17:20 | hudsonbot | Starting build 72 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:20 | chris | oh i cant place a hold cos i owe $46 |
| 17:21 | gmcharlt | good to know that the patch didn't break patron blocks ;) |
| 17:21 | cait | :) |
| 17:22 | chris | right, cant place hold get the error, rebasing now |
| 17:22 | cait | chris++ |
| 17:22 | chris | and now it works |
| 17:23 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4472 Fix handling for UNIMARC intranet XSL <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f83d7ae4c5004ed43> |
| 17:23 | chris | i now have a hold on http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]pl?biblionumber=1 |
| 17:23 | gmcharlt: works just fine | |
| 17:23 | ill mark the bug resolved fixed eh? | |
| 17:23 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 17:27 | slef | chris: your spring is like our spring, eh? |
| 17:27 | chris: I forget - do I need full arctic gear? | |
| 17:28 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (72): SUCCESS in 8 min 8 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/72/ |
| 17:28 | Galen Charlton: bug 3164: fix OPAC holds in SingleBranchMode | |
| 17:28 | jcamins | Second rise underway. |
| 17:28 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode |
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| 17:29 | gmcharlt | slef: is there a bug number associated with your enh_bulkmarcimport pull request? |
| 17:29 | chris | slef: wind/water proof jacket is the main thing |
| 17:30 | its very changable, cos of the geography, it can start out gorgeous end up windy and rainy | |
| 17:30 | so i always tell people to bring things they can layer, take some off, put it back on :) | |
| 17:30 | cait | but I think too warm for arctic gear? |
| 17:30 | chris | oh yeah |
| 17:30 | even in winter :) | |
| 17:30 | @wunder wellington,nz | |
| 17:30 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:30 | slef | gmcharlt: no. |
| 17:31 | gmcharlt: I intend to label them bug_N if there is. | |
| 17:31 | gmcharlt | slef: ok, thanks |
| 17:31 | chris | http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington <-- has a long range forecast |
| 17:31 | slef | gmcharlt: or whatever else I'm told :) |
| 17:31 | chris | bug_xxx works fine |
| 17:31 | and if you wanted to just create a bug where one doesnt exist, that is more than fine too | |
| 17:32 | slef | chris: can I create bugs by email? |
| 17:32 | chris | in theory yes |
| 17:33 | slef: but i forget the email address | |
| 17:33 | gmcharlt | chris: note the new for-3.4/enh_bulkmarcimport branch; stuff named like that are things that I'm recommending for early merging into 3.4 |
| 17:33 | chris | ill dig it up at when im at work |
| 17:33 | awesome | |
| 17:33 | ill ask qa to check em first | |
| 17:33 | slef | chris: ok. I'm going to bring my co-op windproof. |
| 17:34 | but not the thick fleece. | |
| 17:34 | chris | slef: what size are you? |
| 17:34 | slef | small but tall |
| 17:34 | chris | in terms of cycling gear |
| 17:34 | slef | I usually wear my everyday clothes. |
| 17:34 | so I dunno really. | |
| 17:35 | chris | catalyst has a cycle team .. complete with a jacket that has moodle, mahara, lots of other stuff and koha logo's on it :) |
| 17:35 | slef | hehehe |
| 17:35 | tempting | |
| 17:35 | hudsonbot | Starting build 73 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:35 | slef | bbl, more coffee reqd |
| 17:35 | chris | one of our directors, paul is a mad keen cyclist |
| 17:36 | http://twitter.com/#!/paulwaite | |
| 17:43 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (73): SUCCESS in 7 min 51 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/73/ |
| 17:43 | Fr??d??ric Demians: Bug 4472 Fix handling for UNIMARC intranet XSL | |
| 17:43 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4472 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation |
| 17:43 | chris | heh, hudsonbot cant handle utf8 apparently |
| 17:50 | right time to start the day | |
| 17:50 | bbiab | |
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| 18:03 | gmcharlt | hi wizzyrea_ |
| 18:03 | in NZ by now? | |
| 18:03 | brendan | morning all |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea_ | good morning! I am :) |
| 18:04 | * jcamins | is very jealous |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea_ left #koha | |
| 18:12 | jcamins | Should I upgrade to Ubuntu 10.10 on the computer I'm about to install Koha on for development purposes, or is 10.04 good enough? |
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| 18:18 | chris | heya wizzyrea_ |
| 18:18 | looks like slightly nicer day today | |
| 18:18 | 10.04 is good enough | |
| 18:19 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 18:19 | brendan | wizzyrea_ that's awesome you're in NZ |
| 18:19 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 18:19 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (11:27 AM PDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:20 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 18:20 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 21.0�C (2:31 PM EDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:20 | brendan | heya jcamins |
| 18:20 | chris | jcamins++ #good email |
| 18:21 | jcamins | Hi brendan. |
| 18:21 | wizzyrea_ | :) supposed to clear off in the afternoon |
| 18:21 | or at least not rain | |
| 18:22 | chris | yeah, dont count on it :) |
| 18:22 | i reckon its more an indoors than outdoors day :( whatcha got planned? | |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea_ | te papa and area, I think |
| 18:24 | chris | good idea |
| 18:25 | i can thoroughly recommend the musuem of city and sea too | |
| 18:25 | wizzyrea_ | we went to the library yesterday ( we got in before our room was ready, we asked the girl at the desk where to go, she said "the library's just around the corner, not glam..." and we were like "perfect!" |
| 18:25 | chris | if its dry enough to walk along the waterfront to it from te papa |
| 18:25 | wizzyrea_ | yea, we did drowned rat yesterday |
| 18:25 | :) | |
| 18:26 | * wizzyrea_ | saw lots of umbrella victims |
| 18:26 | chris | hehe yeah |
| 18:27 | they dont work in wellington | |
| 18:27 | wizzyrea_ | I remembered someone |
| 18:27 | * wizzyrea_ | 's tweet about that |
| 18:27 | cait | hi wizzyrea :) |
| 18:28 | I am envious that you are already there :) | |
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| 18:34 | jcamins | Time to set up Koha on my desktop. |
| 18:36 | Hm. ubuntu.packages hasn't been updated. | |
| 18:42 | Is there a reason not to just use apt-get-debian-lenny on Ubuntu? | |
| 18:43 | * jcamins | decides to find out |
| 18:44 | jcamins | Yes. It doesn't work. |
| 18:48 | cait: how did you install Koha under Ubuntu? | |
| 18:49 | Did you follow INSTALL.ubuntu? | |
| 18:49 | cait | oh |
| 18:49 | I followed my own notes mostly | |
| 18:49 | a mixture from the debian and ubuntu installation notes | |
| 18:50 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:50 | chris | Well that was fast |
| 18:50 | Kahu: I can eat by myself, don't miss your bus daddy | |
| 18:50 | cait | cute :) |
| 18:50 | chris | And atarau is still asleep |
| 18:51 | Easy morning | |
| 18:52 | brendan | heh - hoping I have some of those coming ;) |
| 18:53 | chris | Well its taken nearly 4 years :) |
| 18:54 | jcamins | Cool, if you remove libzebra-2.0, apt-get-debian-lenny.sh works. |
| 18:54 | hdl | D-2 |
| 18:55 | chris | hdl: woot! |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea_ | jcamins: that's actually really good news |
| 18:55 | did you put in the apt sources for zebra? | |
| 18:56 | they might be slightly different for ubuntu | |
| 18:56 | jcamins | Nope. Don't have to do that for Ubuntu. |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea_ | ah then that's why |
| 18:56 | chris | Or squeeze |
| 18:56 | In fact its messy if you do | |
| 19:02 | jcamins | HTTP::OAI... is that part of some other package? |
| 19:02 | chris | Nope |
| 19:02 | At least I don't think so | |
| 19:03 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 19:03 | chris | libhttp-oai-perl maybe? |
| 19:03 | jcamins | By the way, Ubuntu has packages for a bunch of Perl modules. |
| 19:03 | (that Debian doesn't) | |
| 19:03 | chris | Squeeze does |
| 19:04 | Cos lars and robin packaged them | |
| 19:04 | That's how unbuntu got em | |
| 19:04 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:04 | Cool! | |
| 19:05 | chris | And wellington prooves what I was saying |
| 19:05 | Its now blue skies and sun | |
| 19:06 | Crazy place | |
| 19:12 | brendan | "don't like the weather - wait a minute" (that's what it was like where I grew up) |
| 19:14 | chris | :) |
| 19:17 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 19:17 | munin | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 27.0�C (12:50 AM IST on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:17 | chris | Ok my stop |
| 19:17 | Bbiab | |
| 19:17 | indradg | jcamins, nice mail :) |
| 19:18 | slef | weather here is: "if you can see crook peak, it's about to rain. If you can't see crook peak, it's already raining." |
| 19:21 | http://commons.wikimedia.org/w[…]rg.uk_-_43849.jpg | |
| 19:24 | jcamins | Okay, why isn't this workin? |
| 19:24 | slef | http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1793805 is a better view of it. |
| 19:24 | jcamins: because it's broken. | |
| 19:25 | jcamins | slef: no, because Koha defaulted to link-local only for koha-httpd.conf. |
| 19:25 | slef | jcamins: you mean only 127.0.0.1? |
| 19:26 | jcamins | Right. |
| 19:26 | All fixed. | |
| 19:26 | slef | jcamins: your hostname setup is broken then. |
| 19:26 | jcamins | Oh. I guess it's not all fixed, then. |
| 19:27 | Any idea how I go about fixing that? | |
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| 19:29 | richard | hi |
| 19:29 | slef | jcamins: Not sure on ubuntu. I think the underlying problem is something to do with the order of names in your /etc/hosts |
| 19:30 | jcamins: I'd need to remember what the method I lifted from perlfaq actually did in the installer to figure out your IP address. What does hostname --fqdn say for you? | |
| 19:30 | jcamins | jcamins-desktop |
| 19:30 | slef | jcamins: I mean, this is theoretical neatness. If you edit the httpd.conf, it'll work fine until you reinstall. |
| 19:31 | jcamins: ok, that's not a Fully Qualified Domain Name, so I think something's not right, you see? | |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Oh, I set this up before I had my domain. |
| 19:31 | I'll make it jcamins-desktop.cpbibliography.com. | |
| 19:32 | slef | jcamins: I think it needs to be the first entry for 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts but I could be wrong. |
| 19:33 | jcamins | okay. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. |
| 19:33 | I'm sure I can figure it out. | |
| 19:33 | slef | np - this is subtle misconfiguration, but it's the only way the installer can autodetect the primary IP |
| 19:34 | If you want to install on some other webserver IP, do export WEBSERVER_IP=123.45.67.890 or whatever before running Makefile.PL | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Oh, I think I see what the problem is. |
| 19:34 | When I installed VirtualBox, I configured a separate loopback interface. | |
| 19:38 | All fixed. | |
| 19:43 | Yay! I now have a working Koha installation. | |
| 19:44 | chris | back |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Oh, stupid. No wonder things don't look quite right. |
| 19:45 | * jcamins | forgot to change branches |
| 19:46 | darling joined #koha | |
| 19:48 | jcamins | Cool, it's possible to check out my rebased branch directly off of my other server. |
| 19:49 | ... is that considered a bad idea? | |
| 19:50 | slef | indradg: thanks for the email message. I smiled when reading it. |
| 19:50 | bbl | |
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| 20:07 | chris | documentation_patches_mailing_list++ |
| 20:08 | documentation_patches++ | |
| 20:08 | magnus joined #koha | |
| 20:08 | chris | up late magnus |
| 20:09 | magnus | chris: yup |
| 20:09 | well, it|s just 10.20 pm | |
| 20:09 | jcamins | chris: any idea if "libtemplate-perl" is Template::Toolkit? |
| 20:10 | chris | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libtemplate-perl |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | jcamins: aptitude show libtemplate-perl |
| 20:10 | hdl | chris hi |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | says yes |
| 20:10 | chris | yup |
| 20:10 | i cheat and munge urls | |
| 20:10 | jcamins | Cool, thanks. |
| 20:11 | chris | heya hdl |
| 20:11 | hdl | documentation list, why not, |
| 20:11 | chris | yeah, makes sense eh |
| 20:11 | hdl | But should patches be different from koha-patches ? |
| 20:11 | A simple different tag could be enough. | |
| 20:11 | indradg is now known as indradg|Z | |
| 20:11 | chris | i think they will get a bit lost on koha-patches |
| 20:12 | gmcharlt | hdl: up to preference of the doc manager, but I'd prefer that they go to a separate list rather than to one person |
| 20:12 | chris | and people who want to do docs, might not want to subscribe to that |
| 20:12 | koha-patches is quite high traffic, which is great :) | |
| 20:12 | * indradg|Z | goes off to sleep...all the best to everyone now in NZ or getting there :) |
| 20:12 | chris | night indradg|Z |
| 20:12 | hdl | see you indradg|Z |
| 20:13 | I didn't mean it to be directly sent to nicole. | |
| 20:13 | But maybe to koha-patches. | |
| 20:13 | But yes, it is high traffic. | |
| 20:14 | chris | and ppl who send doc patches might be happier just subscriber to a list just about docs (including patches) |
| 20:14 | hdl | ok. |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea_ | I bet nicole is ecstatic that people are contributing patches to the manual |
| 20:14 | chris | hey, go sightseeing! |
| 20:14 | gmcharlt | since both discussion of docs and doc patches are currently low traffic |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea_ | we are, we came home for breakfast (went to the market, then came home to eat, because we forgot spud's blue blankie and he was a mess without it) |
| 20:15 | gmcharlt | having a koha-docs list whose remit includes patches would be my recommendation |
| 20:15 | hdl | @later tell nengard please, tell me which name you want for your koha-documentation list. |
| 20:15 | munin | hdl: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:15 | gmcharlt | if tens or hundreds of doc patches start getting sent monthly, then a separate list could be spun off |
| 20:15 | * jcamins | feels very daunted by Template::Toolkit |
| 20:15 | jcamins | hdl: nengard just replied. |
| 20:15 | chris | wizzyrea_: ahh good :) so you were about 1 block away from my work when you were at the market |
| 20:15 | hdl | @later tell nengard and we'll setthat up |
| 20:15 | munin | hdl: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:16 | darling | jcamins, Template::Toolkit is really a bit of fun once you get it set up |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | jcamins: fear not - Template::Toolkit is actually a lot easier to use in practice than the initial documnetation might imply |
| 20:16 | chris | jcamins: its actually not that bad at all, ill tell ya what, ill teach cait at teh dev conference |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea_ | !!! |
| 20:16 | chris | and she can teach you |
| 20:16 | jcamins | Fair enough. |
| 20:16 | hdl | koha-docs then |
| 20:16 | cait | yay :) |
| 20:16 | ok, what will you teach me? | |
| 20:16 | chris | how template toolkit isnt scary |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea_ | hey, teach me too, because I've always wanted to know |
| 20:17 | cait | ok :) |
| 20:17 | jcamins | I guess that means I should start on the other aspect of my simple cataloging interface... |
| 20:17 | * cait | takes a note |
| 20:17 | chris | oh and wizzyrea_ :) |
| 20:17 | cait | to remind you ;) |
| 20:17 | chris | jcamins: we have a student working on a script to convert html::template to template::toolkit |
| 20:17 | so dont let the change stop you working on that | |
| 20:17 | jcamins | chris: I know, but I have no idea how to use either, so I might as well start on the new one, right? |
| 20:18 | chris | its true :) |
| 20:18 | magnus | chris: i'll take a piece of that too, if i may ;-) |
| 20:19 | chris | its a deal! |
| 20:19 | i might make darling teach you ! | |
| 20:19 | darling | http://template-toolkit.org/do[…]tutorial/Web.html |
| 20:20 | * magnus | has fiddled a bit with TT before, but nothing big |
| 20:20 | darling | we use it for http://www.stuff.co.nz/ |
| 20:20 | cait | |Lupin| wrote me he really likes Template Toolkit and that it's much better than what we use now :) |
| 20:21 | darling | we cache the heck out of it tho |
| 20:21 | chris | which we will be able to do some of, at least lots of component caching |
| 20:22 | darling | wizzyrea_, you really should get outside, try spotting penguins in the harbour (I never seen one there but everyone else has) |
| 20:24 | jcamins | Is it my imagination, or is creating a new page on the Wiki completely non-intuitive? |
| 20:24 | * wizzyrea_ | headed out now, see y'all later :) |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea_ | I had the same prob jcamins |
| 20:24 | chris | cya in 2.5 hours |
| 20:24 | jcamins | Enjoy the penguins! |
| 20:25 | magnus | new page: create a link to it or search for it? |
| 20:26 | jcamins | Yeah, but if I hadn't been told that, I don't think I would've been able to figure it out. |
| 20:26 | magnus | how do you think it should work then? ;-) |
| 20:26 | jcamins | I think there should be a "New page" button. |
| 20:28 | magnus | i guess the idea is that you should create pages by creating links to them, that way there are no orphans... but then again my brain has adapted to mediawiki big time |
| 20:29 | jcamins | Then there should be a note on *every page* to tell you to create a link if you want to add a page. |
| 20:30 | magnus | :-) |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Does anyone object to ASCIIart UI mockups? |
| 20:34 | (in RFCs) | |
| 20:35 | magnus | g'night #koha - see some of you soon! |
| 20:35 | magnus left #koha | |
| 20:35 | cait | good night magnus :) |
| 20:35 | ah, too slow again | |
| 20:39 | darling | jcamins, I like ascii art for mockups but it does have some drawbacks |
| 20:40 | my fav mockup drawing tool right now is http://pencil.evolus.vn/ | |
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| 21:13 | robin joined #koha | |
| 21:15 | robin | Linux Outlaws 168 has a good bit of a talk on the Software Freedom Conservancy, if anyone is interested. |
| 21:27 | darling | commie |
| 21:30 | robin | darling: ☭ |
| 21:30 | darling | yeah ^ that |
| 21:32 | jcamins | Cool! I didn't know the hammer-and-sickle was part of the Unicode specification. |
| 21:32 | darling | is there a unicode char for kiwi holding a hammer+sickle and eating a pie? |
| 21:34 | robin | darling: no. There's this, which isn't anything like that though: ☃ |
| 21:34 | darling | http://www.toothpastefordinner[…]er-and-sickle.gif |
| 21:34 | jcamins | What is it? |
| 21:34 | robin | jcamins: it's a snowman |
| 21:35 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 21:35 | darling | they're extinct on the north island -- early immigrants used them as snow cones |
| 21:40 | jcamins | @marc 246 |
| 21:40 | munin | jcamins: A form of the title appearing on different parts of an item or a portion of the title proper, or an alternative form of the title when the form differs significantly from the title contained in field 245. (Repeatable) [a,b,f,g,h,i,n,p,5,6,8] |
| 21:41 | jcamins | @marc 561 |
| 21:41 | munin | jcamins: A copy-specific field that contains information concerning the ownership and custodial history of the described materials from the time of their creation to the time of their accessioning, including the time at which individual items or group of items were first brought together in their current arrangement or collation. (Repeatable) [a,3,5,6,8] |
| 21:54 | * cait | hands munin a cookie |
| 21:58 | jcamins | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aloging_interface |
| 21:59 | Did this make it into Harley: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_improvements_RFC | |
| 22:00 | chris | harley? |
| 22:01 | hmm | |
| 22:01 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]arley_Integration | |
| 22:01 | dont see it | |
| 22:01 | the rule of thumb for those is | |
| 22:01 | if they were on the wiki .. its 99% they wont be in harley, PTFS did most of harley ebfore they bought liblime | |
| 22:02 | if that is anywhere | |
| 22:02 | its in LEK | |
| 22:02 | any LL rfc that isnt in 3.2 will most likely not be anywhere except LEK | |
| 22:02 | * chris | hopes he has clarified not confused |
| 22:03 | jcamins | No, it made sense. |
| 22:03 | I guess I won't be salvaging a massively unproductive weekend by rebasing that onto Master. | |
| 22:03 | chris | LEK has never, and if you read the statements around, probably never will have a release |
| 22:03 | nope | |
| 22:04 | * jcamins | sighs |
| 22:04 | jcamins | Weekends. |
| 22:04 | chris | if you wanted to play with rebasing things, after kohacon i can give you a pile :-) |
| 22:05 | jcamins | Not really, I was just thinking of something useful I could do that would get me closer to a simple cataloging interface after spending an entire day not accomplishing anything. |
| 22:06 | chris | ahhh |
| 22:06 | i tell you what i do | |
| 22:06 | and you might have done this already | |
| 22:06 | draw things | |
| 22:06 | on a whiteboard, and take photos | |
| 22:06 | then mockup in simple html the interface | |
| 22:07 | it helps spot things ive missed | |
| 22:07 | and provides a base others can help with too | |
| 22:08 | and it makes me feel productive :-) | |
| 22:08 | jcamins | Perhaps I'll try that. |
| 22:20 | richard left #koha | |
| 22:21 | cait | chris++ :) |
| 22:21 | chris | ? |
| 22:21 | cait | can you teach me (or tell someone to teach me) the workflow with my new public git repo the main repo and my dev isnstall :) |
| 22:21 | for good advice to jcamins :) | |
| 22:21 | chris | ahh i can certainly show you that |
| 22:22 | cait | cool :) |
| 22:22 | chris | im gonna to ask tim, who is the level7 git guru to help |
| 22:22 | cait | :) |
| 22:23 | looking at the sentence above... I think it must be getting late | |
| 22:24 | chris | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5091337510/ |
| 22:24 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5090739503/ | |
| 22:26 | cait | looks like he had fun :) |
| 22:27 | chris | yup |
| 22:27 | jcamins | I heard he learned how to talk American, too. |
| 22:27 | chris | hee |
| 22:27 | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]12/american-talk/ | |
| 22:27 | apparently its very similair to thai :) | |
| 22:28 | jcamins | :) |
| 22:28 | I had no idea. | |
| 22:29 | cait | airport_websites-- |
| 22:29 | chris | heh |
| 22:29 | which one are you looking up? | |
| 22:30 | cait | zürich and london atm |
| 22:30 | chris | ahh |
| 22:30 | heathrow? | |
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| 22:30 | cait | yes |
| 22:30 | chris | i found it pretty easy to get around, big though |
| 22:31 | cait | I had problems with heathrow the last time - because I didn't know there was a shuttle something to the other terminal |
| 22:31 | chris | have never been to zurich airport, been to zurich .. but on the train |
| 22:31 | ahh yeah, that could be tricky | |
| 22:31 | jcamins | Ah, Heathrow. |
| 22:31 | cait | I have not much time to find my way between flights this time |
| 22:31 | chris | cait: the main thing is, dont be scared/nervous to ask people |
| 22:32 | cait | yep |
| 22:32 | chris | the worst they can do is not know :) |
| 22:32 | but usually they are helpful | |
| 22:32 | cait | I promised myself to ask ask ask... ;) |
| 22:33 | chris | also, lots of airline staff speak lots of languages |
| 22:33 | cait | but feeling prepared helps to not be so nervous |
| 22:33 | chris | they usually wear pins on their clothes, with the flags |
| 22:33 | cait | I learned yesterday slef and his wife can speak German |
| 22:33 | chris | slef can speak lots |
| 22:33 | hes a pretty smart guy | |
| 22:34 | cait | :) |
| 22:34 | they are arriving on 21st too | |
| 22:34 | chris | and now, i must go meet wizzyrea for lunch |
| 22:34 | ohh excellent | |
| 22:34 | cait | :) |
| 22:34 | have fun! | |
| 22:53 | jcamins | Why am I getting a 500 error with this new script I created? |
| 22:54 | It has something to do with this weird DocumentRoot. | |
| 22:55 | Ah. | |
| 22:55 | No it doesn't. | |
| 22:58 | Okay, it was because you're supposed to print the Content-type. | |
| 23:06 | I should respond to Abdullah-Al-Modabber's query. | |
| 23:07 | Seing as how I just did that. | |
| 23:10 | richard is now known as rich-away | |
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| 23:29 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 23:29 | Has anyone ever *tested* the language dropdown in the advanced search? | |
| 23:30 | CGI969 left #koha | |
| 23:44 | cait | jcamins: no; but I think there is a quite new bug report about it |
| 23:45 | I think I used jquery to hide it... | |
| 23:45 | jcamins | Well, I didn't see one so I created a new bug. |
| 23:46 | What a mess! No wonder it doesn't seem to work. | |
| 23:46 | Lots of the languages don't have any values specified at all! | |
| 23:48 | cait | hm? |
| 23:48 | jcamins | Wait, what are you doing awake? |
| 23:48 | cait | you start to sound like chris... |
| 23:48 | but the "mein gott" is missing :) | |
| 23:49 | I arrived in sydney with my flight reasearch | |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Anyway, you can't limit by Finnish at all, because it just adds "ln,rtdl:" to the query. |
| 23:49 | cait | oh |
| 23:49 | but Finnish is in the list? that's odd | |
| 23:50 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 23:51 | And Armenian uses the wrong code (well, there are two codes for Armenian). | |
| 23:53 | cait | *shudders* |
| 23:54 | jcamins | And French and English both only work because languages like Afrikaans are pretty uncommon in Koha libraries. |
| 23:54 | cait | hmpf |
| 23:55 | I forgot to file my enh request about a missing option to limit to serials | |
| 23:55 | jcamins | Wait a minute. |
| 23:55 | cait | we can limit to all sorts of things, but not to serials |
| 23:55 | jcamins | What's this? |
| 23:56 | Ah-ha. | |
| 23:57 | cait | hm? |
| 23:57 | you make me curious! | |
| 23:57 | jcamins | subtag_registry.sql. |
| 23:57 | I have now decided I don't want to know what it is. | |
| 23:57 | My new plan is to back away slowly with a soothing expression on my face. | |
| 23:57 | gmcharlt | jcamins: it's an attempt at a language code registry |
| 23:58 | C4::Languages is a mess in general; completely replacing it would be a niceness | |
| 23:58 | * cait | nominates jcamins ;) |
| 23:58 | gmcharlt | the volunteer has been drafted^Wfound |
| 23:58 | ;) | |
| 23:58 | cait | I looked at it while working on the German installer, it's really confusing |
| 23:58 | * jcamins | thinks probably someone who is fluent in languages other than English should be the one doing it. |
| 23:58 | jcamins | Ooh, I know someone who speaks other languages! |
| 23:59 | * jcamins | nominates cait |
| 23:59 | * cait | hides |
| 23:59 | cait | too slow... |
| 23:59 | jcamins | But that explains why the dropdown is broken. |
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