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| 00:52 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 00:52 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.6�C (5:55 PM PDT on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 00:52 | chris | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 00:52 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on October 01, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 00:53 | chris | its pretty much always wrong |
| 00:53 | :) | |
| 00:53 | i guess cos its out at the airport | |
| 00:53 | robin | chris: although, that's about right |
| 00:53 | brendan | heh |
| 00:54 | 16 would be unseasonable warm eh? | |
| 00:54 | chris | cept for the clouds bit |
| 00:54 | nope its at least 16 out | |
| 00:54 | brendan | ah |
| 00:54 | chris | which is about right for october |
| 00:54 | its hard to know in town tho, cos all the glass and concrete reflect the heat around | |
| 00:56 | if its weather like this for the conference ill be happy | |
| 00:59 | * chris | just realised this is his 12th day in a row working, cos i did the go live last weekend, no wonder im having trouble concentrating |
| 01:11 | robin | chris: you should take tomorrow off |
| 01:12 | chris | heh |
| 01:12 | i think ill finish at 4pm today | |
| 01:13 | brendan | yeah take tomorrow off dude |
| 01:26 | * chris_n1 | finds a blundering error in the labels code :-P |
| 01:27 | chris_n1 | 0.01 is *not* 10% |
| 01:35 | chris | :) |
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| 03:14 | Amit | hi chris |
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| 03:47 | brendan | heya Amit |
| 03:48 | Amit | heya brendan |
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| 05:25 | REFORMER | debian did not recognized my pc's ethernet card and wifi, now I want to move ubuntu |
| 05:26 | is Installation " KOHA-ILS " on Ubuntu is same as on debian-lenny, I want to install ubuntu via window installer | |
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| 07:07 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:09 | kf | good morning hdl |
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| 07:13 | kmkale | hi kf, hdl |
| 07:13 | kf | hi kmkale |
| 07:13 | kmkale | hi Amit, chris |
| 07:13 | Amit | hi kmkale |
| 07:14 | heya kf | |
| 07:15 | kf | hi Amit |
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| 07:18 | ivanc | good morning #koha |
| 07:28 | kf | hi ivanc |
| 07:28 | ivanc | hi kf |
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| 07:42 | hdl | hi all |
| 07:42 | kf | hi chris_n1 |
| 07:42 | isn't it too early for you? | |
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| 07:52 | magnus | g'day #koha |
| 07:57 | kf | hi magnus :) |
| 07:57 | 18 days!! | |
| 07:58 | magnus | hi kf - that's like almost nothing! ;-) |
| 07:58 | kf | still have to buy a lot of things... uh |
| 07:58 | it's really like nothing | |
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| 11:24 | druthb | mornin'. |
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| 11:29 | kf | good morning druthb :) |
| 11:30 | druthb | hiya, kf. :) |
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| 11:38 | kmkale | hi druthb |
| 11:39 | druthb | hi, kmkale! :) |
| 11:39 | magnus | hiya druthb, paul_p, chris_n, kmkale et al |
| 11:40 | paul_p | hi magnus |
| 11:40 | kmkale | hi magnus |
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| 11:42 | magnus | hi jwagner |
| 11:43 | jwagner | Hi magnus |
| 11:44 | kmkale | hi jwagner |
| 11:45 | jwagner | hi kmkale |
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| 11:48 | kf | hi jwagner :) |
| 11:49 | jwagner | Hi kf |
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| 12:27 | owen | jwagner and druthb you really start early! |
| 12:27 | kf | hi owen |
| 12:28 | druthb | owen: yep; usually around 07:30, local time. I catch a 6:30 bus to get here. |
| 12:28 | owen | I hope that means you're not working til 5PM |
| 12:29 | druthb | no, I usually leave here on a 15:30 bus, and do some evening work occasionally. |
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| 12:32 | jwagner | The traffic isn't as bad that early -- I'd rather get to work at 7:30 half-awake than deal with the traffic that would be in place if I tried coming in at 8:30. |
| 12:33 | * owen | likes coming to work early when it's quiet |
| 12:36 | druthb | it's *never* terribly quiet here, unfortunately. my office is directly across from the breakroom, and jwagner's is very close to the copier/printer/scanner for this end of the building. |
| 12:37 | jwagner | And in both places, people tend to converse at the tops of their little lungs :-( |
| 12:37 | druthb | Yes. The notion of "inside voices" never seemed to catch on among certain people here. |
| 12:38 | jwagner | Fortunately, our boss is quite open to the concept of working from home :-) |
| 12:38 | larsw | what you need is noise-activated sprinklers |
| 12:38 | owen | druthb: Tell it to my kids! |
| 12:39 | Man if I had a nickel for every time I opened up opac-shelves.pl expecting to find something useful... | |
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| 12:40 | druthb | larsw: I have discovered that a moderately-well-powered slam of my door disrupts them for a little bit. |
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| 12:50 | hdl | hi all. |
| 12:50 | I am having quite surprising answers using scan indexes. Anyone who played with that ? | |
| 12:52 | a) it is not taking into account any truncation attribute... That is you cannot scan for something which is NOT the beginning of the subfield | |
| 12:52 | b) when you search for "Dun" you can get things like "duo".... | |
| 12:54 | kf | hdl: I have played with it, the display is broken for some characters, like ß and umlauts |
| 12:56 | hdl: your description sounds ok to me - because that's what I expect from an index search | |
| 12:56 | starting at the beginning | |
| 12:56 | do you have dun in your database? | |
| 12:56 | hdl | Yes. |
| 12:56 | I get some. | |
| 12:56 | kf | ah ok |
| 12:57 | hdl | But also other things. |
| 12:57 | kf | yeah, taht seems normal to me |
| 12:57 | it's like a book of workds | |
| 12:57 | words | |
| 12:57 | hdl | first point is not normal to me. |
| 12:57 | kf | so you see what is before and after your search too |
| 12:58 | I am not sure I can explain right what I meant :( | |
| 12:58 | hdl | I expected to be able to input any part of a subfield... And it would search that. |
| 12:58 | kf | I think we have different expectations |
| 12:59 | what I know from horizon about alphabetic indexes is very similar to the koha thing, what I miss is a pagination | |
| 12:59 | to go back and forth | |
| 12:59 | see what is around my search term in the alphabetic index | |
| 12:59 | hdl | For instance if I type diable with a scan @attr 1=7 @attr 5=3 @attr 6=3 Diable |
| 12:59 | I would like to get "Au Diable vauvert" | |
| 13:00 | kf | hm |
| 13:00 | I think the thing is is that I have an alphabetic index in mind and you a keyword index | |
| 13:00 | not sure what koha's index search is supposed to be :) | |
| 13:01 | hdl | well, atm maybe you are right. |
| 13:01 | information about scan and yaz are very scarce. | |
| 13:03 | kf | I see 3 bugs in bugzilla for scan index |
| 13:03 | bug 3630 | |
| 13:03 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3630 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, probleme with scan indexes |
| 13:03 | kf | bug 4393 |
| 13:03 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4393 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Searching with scan indexes and sort by title fails |
| 13:03 | kf | bug 4397 |
| 13:03 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4397 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, display problems (umlauts, ß) with scan index in advanced search |
| 13:04 | kf | hm fredericd send a patch adding pagination - but seems not to be pushed |
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| 13:15 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:16 | hdl: I'm pretty sure the Zebra scan index is left-anchored, but I think there's some way to make it do a keyword index. I'll see if I can locate that. | |
| 13:18 | Braedon | good morn jcamins |
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| 13:26 | reva | Good morning all, what happens when I set a OpacBaseUrl? (We are just on a peer network (no provider for a host or anything)). And what happens with StaffBaseUrl? Basically under what kind of networking situations would I set these options? Thanks. |
| 13:27 | jcamins | hdl: I cannot find the reference to non-left-anchored scans. |
| 13:28 | reva | So, basically right now whenever I use my staff client, I type http://localhost:8080; and for the OPAC, I type is http://localhost. |
| 13:30 | owen | reva: http://koha-community.org/docu[…]hp?ch=c19#AEN1771 |
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| 13:36 | reva | so I can set my OPACBaseURL to http://localhost and it will display a link to the OPAC version of a record I am in (or working on) in the staff side, correct? But I do not understand the function of StaffclientBaseURL. First where would that link show? |
| 13:37 | Thanks owen: Because I was reading the Wayne state manual (for the 3.0) and it was too cryptic.:) | |
| 13:37 | owen | reva: Where did you find the link to the Wayne state manual? |
| 13:38 | reva | It was in the community site. I have downloaded the pdf from the link there. |
| 13:38 | owen | I see |
| 13:39 | Yeah, I would say the Wayne State manual is inaccurate on this particular point | |
| 13:40 | It makes it sound like you can set OPACBaseURL to what you *want* your opac's url to be | |
| 13:40 | That's not true | |
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| 13:43 | reva | owen, I could not say if it was accurate or not as I found it was not explaining much on this point. Moving to setting the StaffClientBaseURL: let us say in our case I set my StaafclientBaseURL to http://localhost:8080 (which is our staff url), where would the link be displayed? |
| 13:44 | owen | Koha would use that setting whenever it needed to form an absolute URL to the staff client. This would only happen during operation of the staff client itself, not the OPAC |
| 13:45 | reva | ok, this is a regression routine:) I am not sure I understand absolute URL (though I have heard the term used before.) |
| 13:46 | owen | An absolute URL is a full URL. A relative URL is one which only works in reference to the current page. |
| 13:46 | ../catalogue/detail.pl is a relative URL. | |
| 13:46 | http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]talogue/detail.pl is a full or absolute URL | |
| 13:48 | reva | owen, got it: so you are giving the full path from the root when you use the absolute URL. But what is the StaffClientBaseURL function? I mean what are the situations I would set this? |
| 13:49 | owen | I don't know offhand, but as far as I know it is recommended that you do. |
| 13:53 | jcamins | Load testing only, it looks like. |
| 13:53 | reva: I'd set it anyway. There's no disadvantage. | |
| 13:55 | reva | owen, so in my case I would append the rest of the path to http://localhost:8080 (where ever my detail.pl is for the catalog module), correct? So the question now is should it be set to the catalog/details.pl? Hi jcamins. |
| 13:55 | owen | reva that was just an example |
| 13:56 | jcamins | reva: set it to 'localhost:8080' |
| 13:56 | Wait, 'localhost:8080/' | |
| 13:56 | reva | owen thanks. because sometimes I am too literal:). jcamins, what is load testing? |
| 13:56 | jcamins | I have no idea, but that's what it's used for. I guess maybe checking lots of books out simultaneously, and seeing if anything breaks? |
| 13:57 | kf | performance tests |
| 13:57 | owen | ...or seeing if your server bursts into flames |
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| 14:00 | reva | ok, I will set it it to http://localhost:8080 and my OPAC to http://localhost. Owen, I hope we won't break Koha that way. But the test records (done by the trainees of course) are all wrong, so they may break it and the server. |
| 14:01 | Thanks jcamins, owen, and kf. | |
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| 14:04 | kf | the opacbaseurl is used for links in sent carts and "show in opac"links in staff |
| 14:04 | afaik | |
| 14:04 | perhaps the staffurl is also used for sending carts from staff | |
| 14:04 | mib_syff8 | I'm having some search problems. I have rebuild my index and if I run zebrasrv in console mode I can see the search query but getting no hits, 1000's of bib there....anyone? |
| 14:04 | kf | links to the records in the mail |
| 14:06 | jcamins | mib_syff8: http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 14:06 | Try the third question. | |
| 14:06 | mib_syff8 | can't search staff either though.... |
| 14:06 | jcamins | mib_syff8: wait, I think I misunderstood your question. |
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| 14:07 | jcamins | When you say "console mode," do you mean you're able to do the search from the console? |
| 14:07 | That's what I thought you said. | |
| 14:07 | My new guess is that when you rebuilt the index you didn't do it as the koha user. | |
| 14:08 | mib_syff8 | sorry no, I was thinkg of try YAZ client next.....I mean just running "zerbrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml" and seeing the output |
| 14:08 | jcamins | I'd try the YAZ client. |
| 14:09 | mib_syff8 | I was koha user alright, that user is the only one I have setup with the correct env to run the rebuild script.......I'll try YAZ !! |
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| 14:23 | mib_syff8 | YAZ giving me this---> [109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'Default' |
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| 14:23 | schuster | no wizzyrea... |
| 14:23 | :( | |
| 14:24 | I was going to ask her about the widget she has on the koha-community with the email feed... Anyone know anything about that? | |
| 14:29 | owen | schuster: You have to chant her name three times for her to appear |
| 14:29 | * owen | wonders, "Or is it thirteen?" |
| 14:31 | kf | wizzyrea |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | |
| 14:32 | wizzyra | |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | |
| 14:32 | hm. or was it beetlejuice? | |
| 14:33 | * sekjal | turns towards the nearest mirror and chants "Guy made of bees", "Guy made of bees", "Guy made of bees" |
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| 14:49 | reva | Thanks kf; for the extra info on the Base URLS. |
| 14:50 | LibraryGu | Hello |
| 14:50 | Braedon | Hello |
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| 14:53 | wizzyrea | I'm here! |
| 14:53 | yikes | |
| 14:53 | jcamins | Ha! |
| 14:53 | owen was right | |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | sorry I was absorbed in a discussion of social engineering |
| 14:54 | >.> | |
| 14:54 | jcamins | I just typed your name ten times and was about to hit enter when you appeared. |
| 14:54 | Just 'cause I was curious whether it was true. | |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 14:54 | schuster: which email feed? | |
| 14:55 | < has a strange and wonderful job sometimes | |
| 14:55 | Dulm | Hello all |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | hey dulm |
| 14:56 | jcamins | owen++ # wow! I can't wait to try that patch |
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| 14:56 | wizzyrea | it was actually you thinking of me that made me appear, jcamins |
| 14:57 | jcamins | Oh, not writing your name 10 times? |
| 14:57 | Dulm | Patch? A nice patch? |
| 14:57 | jcamins | Dulm: yeah, owen's patch reformatting lists. |
| 14:58 | * Braedon | saying hello made LibraryGu disappear - that's close right? |
| 14:59 | * jcamins | wonders if the person he's thinking about now will sense his thoughts and make an appearance in #koha |
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| 15:00 | billymays | HELLO BILLY MAYS HERE LOOKING FOR JCAMINS! |
| 15:00 | DID YOU SUMMON ME? | |
| 15:01 | Dulm | Sounds cool. How does it reformat? :) |
| 15:01 | Braedon | nooo, send him back jcamins! |
| 15:01 | * billymays | disappears in a puff of smoke |
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| 15:01 | Braedon | that was close |
| 15:01 | jcamins | I guess I need to work on my summoning powers a bit more. ;) |
| 15:02 | Braedon | please do. you gave me quite a scare. things could have gotten messy |
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| 15:05 | Dulm | I am still working on a collection call mapping add-on like that NEU library in Turkey - using Javascript graphics tools so only one or a few maps need used per building and the javascript graphics draw the rest - NEU created countless animated GIFs for each location |
| 15:05 | * jwagner | is impressed that jcamins can summon the dead.... |
| 15:05 | Dulm | Fun if I can get the time to finish it. :) |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | very fun dulm |
| 15:09 | so schuster left? | |
| 15:11 | reva | hi again, we will be installing Koha 3.2 on our hard drive today. I have downloaded Debian as instructed. (And of ourse the Koha 3.2 tar.gz). But do I download the MySQL, Perl, and Apache from inside debian after stating Koha install? I am trying to follow instructions on this page: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]STALL.debian;h=24 |
| 15:11 | schuster | Sorry on other websites... |
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| 15:11 | Dulm | It is, anybody try to map their library with Google Sketch-Up? I'm finding by overlaying onto a blue-print image it is really pretty easy, looks nice too - then for creating maps at different angles one just needs to change the camera. There are just too many good tools these days! |
| 15:12 | reva | I am not sure though it is Debian Etch that I downloaded. It is the latest stabl Debian though that I have downloaded. |
| 15:12 | jcamins | Weird. Apparently signing on with mibbit inspired my internet connection to start working again. |
| 15:12 | wizzyrea | That was me, I was thinking about your internet connection. |
| 15:12 | jcamins | reva: the correct version of Debian is Lenny. |
| 15:13 | schuster | wizzyrea - the latest posts from the email listserv on the support page. |
| 15:13 | jcamins | wizzyrea: oh, thanks! |
| 15:13 | reva | Yes, Lenny is what I downloaded jcamins. |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | oh, right, what did you need to know? |
| 15:13 | Braedon | jcamins: perhaps billy mays was trying to get through again? |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | you mean here: http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Braedon: I suppose it's possible. Ah-ha! I'll just go out and buy some Zombie-B-Gone, As Seen On TV! |
| 15:14 | schuster | wizzyrea yes. |
| 15:14 | Is that a wordpress plugin or??? | |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | yep, it's a plugin. Sec and I'll find the one I"m using. |
| 15:14 | jcamins | reva: if you follow the instructions in that document, I'm pretty sure it installs Apache and MySQL. |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | http://downloads.wordpress.org[…]in/rss-import.zip is the one I"m using. |
| 15:16 | apparently when I was working on the site, I knew german? or knew a google that did, anyway | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | reva: and by "pretty sure" I mean "it does." |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea: perhaps kf was thinking German-comprehension thoughts at you. :) | |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | ooh, good point |
| 15:18 | reva | ok, jcamins. It is just that I do not see a command in the instruction where it goes to fetch Apache or MySQL from outside sites? Or does Debian come with all these pre-installed? |
| 15:19 | jcamins | reva: the instructions tell you to install all the packages that Koha requires. Koha requires Apache and MySQL. ;) |
| 15:19 | kf | hm? |
| 15:20 | jcamins | The script is something like apt_get_install_packages_on_lenny. But just run whichever script the documentation tells you to. |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | reva: sudo apt-get install apache2 |
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| 15:21 | wizzyrea | sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-clien |
| 15:21 | jcamins | To clarify, the script installs *everything* Koha requires, which includes Apache and MySQL. |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea | sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client |
| 15:21 | oo, I didn't know it did that now >.> | |
| 15:21 | neat! | |
| 15:21 | jcamins | At least, that was my experience when we installed from scratch on Debian. |
| 15:21 | * wizzyrea | doesn't know lots of stuff. |
| 15:22 | reva | so ok, what is the sites-available in this command substituted with? sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha Ok, wizzyrea. In which case which version of Apache, Perl and MySQL should I have downloaded |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | BUT if you were to need to install apache and/or mysql |
| 15:22 | ...the apt packages are the most up to date. Just use apt | |
| 15:22 | jcamins | wizzyrea: the script uses apt. |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | ^^ or do what he said, and use the script |
| 15:24 | jcamins_m | reva: that's step 4. First you need to do steps 1-3. |
| 15:24 | well, 1.5-3, actually. | |
| 15:25 | jcamins | Please ignore the fact that I'm using two different nicks. My internet connection is being troublesome. |
| 15:25 | * wizzyrea | thinks harder about jcamins' internet |
| 15:26 | * druthb | wonders if the cloning machine would work on wizzyrea, nengard, and gmcharlt. More of those folks around would be nice. |
| 15:26 | * wizzyrea | shudders at the thought of more than one wizzyrea. The world is scary enough. |
| 15:27 | * jcamins | agrees with druthb, and thinks it would be a great idea |
| 15:29 | reva | ok jcamins. Got that about following 1.5 - 3. But I guess I am asking now do I download and Apache, Perl, and MySQL and save them, so that I can instruct Debian to install them? If yes to this last question, which version of Apache, Perl and MySQL? Do I take the latest versions from the respective sites? |
| 15:29 | kf | @later tell ivanc mail sent |
| 15:29 | munin | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:29 | nengard | awww shucks thanks druthb |
| 15:29 | jcamins | reva: no, just follow the instructions, and run the script in step 1.5 |
| 15:29 | The only thing you should download manually is Koha. | |
| 15:29 | Then you will run the script in 1.5. | |
| 15:30 | Then you run the command in 1.6. | |
| 15:31 | And then you should have everything installed. | |
| 15:33 | * druthb | cobbles a cloning device up, but needs software for it. |
| 15:35 | rhcl | print me off a few tech assistants please... |
| 15:35 | reva | ok, jcamins. Thanks.So when I come here : $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages, it will give me choices for installing or not installing several dependencies. (i.e. Apache, Perl, MySQL all come built in). |
| 15:35 | Ok, relief and sigh:) Thanks | |
| 15:37 | * druthb | wants to see if rhcl will be the crash-test dummy for this new gadget. An extra one or two of him wouldn't be bad, either. |
| 15:40 | jcamins | reva: what documentation are you looking at? |
| 15:41 | The document you linked to earlier doesn't use dpkg. | |
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| 15:47 | reva | jcamins: i have the link only for that one (I am talking about the git.koh-community one). Would you give me the link for the correct documentation? |
| 15:48 | jcamins | The link you gave is correct. |
| 15:48 | However, the step you mentioned doesn't seem to be in that document. | |
| 15:48 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…];f=INSTALL.debian | |
| 15:49 | Which is very confusing. | |
| 15:49 | Step 1.5 is: sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh | |
| 15:50 | reva: take me through the steps you went through to download Koha 3.2. | |
| 15:51 | In your own words. | |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | please. |
| 15:51 | jcamins | Sorry, I thought "please" would be implied. Please. |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | I'm helping! |
| 15:52 | ^.^ | |
| 15:52 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | (that's what my 2 yr old says when he's helping... but not really helping) |
| 15:53 | reva | ok, jacamins: No, I downloaded the koha-3.02.00-beta.tar.gz separately by going to koha-community download page and saved it. |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 15:54 | Dulm | You'll get it |
| 15:54 | jcamins | That seems right. I wonder why the document you're looking at is different. |
| 15:55 | reva | and I have burned ther Debian Lenny as an ISO CD. so I am carrying my Koha download on a flash (as it is only 39 mega). |
| 15:57 | jcamins | Ah-ha! |
| 15:57 | Mystery solved. | |
| 15:57 | Dulm | See! |
| 15:57 | jcamins | The documentation you need on the Koha beta is called INSTALL.debian-lenny :) |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea++ # for pointing out what was going on | |
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| 15:59 | reva | Now I am looking at the page you just gave me (http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f=INSTALL.debian). I can extract the tar.gz file using WinRar in my XP and take the folder full of Koha stuff with me and just copy it to a folder inside the partition for debian. |
| 16:00 | jcamins | Right, so you can follow the online version and it'll work properly. |
| 16:00 | reva | jcamins: where do I find the Install Debian-Lenny page? |
| 16:00 | jcamins | Better to just use the one I linked to. |
| 16:01 | The two documents are the same, except the one I linked to is newer and has some slightly clearer instructions. | |
| 16:01 | reva | Ok, that is good. I see it was updated 2010 by chris. |
| 16:02 | jcamins | Yup. |
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| 16:05 | * druthb | waves to brendan_l |
| 16:05 | reva | Thanks jcamins: will get back later. Is ther a way to transfer my this chat session to another machine in the mibbit? |
| 16:06 | kf | ok, time to leave - have a nice weekend all! |
| 16:06 | jcamins | No, but you can just log in from another computer. |
| 16:06 | The log is at http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]g/koha/2010-10-01 | |
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| 16:06 | wizzyrea | bye kf... bother. |
| 16:07 | reva | Ok, got it. Thanks again. |
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| 16:49 | brendan_l | heya druthb :) |
| 16:49 | cait | hi again #koha |
| 16:49 | brendan_l | hey cait |
| 16:55 | druthb | welcome back, cait. :) |
| 17:00 | ivanc | hi cait |
| 17:00 | cait | hi ivanc |
| 17:15 | ivanc | \server |
| 17:16 | druthb | @roulette |
| 17:16 | druthb was kicked by munin: BANG! | |
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| 17:16 | * munin | reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 17:17 | * druthb | does a happy dance |
| 17:17 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 17:17 | cait | @roulette |
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| 17:17 | munin | cait: *click* |
| 17:17 | jcamins | @roulette |
| 17:17 | cait | puh |
| 17:17 | munin | jcamins: *click* |
| 17:17 | jcamins | @roulette |
| 17:17 | munin | jcamins: *click* |
| 17:17 | jcamins | @roulette |
| 17:17 | munin | jcamins: *click* |
| 17:17 | jcamins | @roulette |
| 17:17 | munin | jcamins: *click* |
| 17:17 | cait | hm jcamins? |
| 17:17 | * cait | takes the gun from jcamins |
| 17:18 | jcamins | Aww. |
| 17:19 | munin: I'm not giving you a cookie. | |
| 17:19 | munin | jcamins: Error: "I'm" is not a valid command. |
| 17:19 | rhcl | cait, are you going to the opensuse conference in Nürnberg? |
| 17:19 | cait | rhcl: ah no |
| 17:19 | I am not really a linux user (yet) | |
| 17:20 | * jcamins | stares in shock - the umlaut showed up under Windows! |
| 17:20 | Dulm | "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike." |
| 17:20 | cait | jcamins: I am using umlauts in Windows all teh time - they are not that bad |
| 17:20 | rhcl | windows? |
| 17:20 | Microsoft Windows? | |
| 17:20 | cait | yes |
| 17:20 | rhcl | I need a drink. brb |
| 17:20 | jcamins | cait: generally umlauts are fine. However, I'm running irssi on a Debian server and SSHed in using Cygwin. |
| 17:20 | cait | *sighs* |
| 17:21 | * cait | outs herself as a windows user |
| 17:21 | Dulm | West of House: You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here. |
| 17:21 | jcamins | rhcl: don't do it! You're going to turn into my predecessors! |
| 17:22 | rhcl | it's only gonna be wine, a tall glass perhaps, but just wine |
| 17:22 | Dulm | "open mailbox" |
| 17:22 | rhcl | as long as it's not Tennessee distilled corn we're ok |
| 17:22 | jcamins | rhcl: okay, that's not nearly strong enough to turn you into one of my predecessors. |
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| 17:24 | Dulm | << From Zork I Anyone? :) >> |
| 17:27 | cait | rhcl: are you going to nürnberg? |
| 17:27 | owen | Here you go Dulm: http://zorkonline.net/zengine-0.4.3/ |
| 17:28 | jwag_mtg is now known as jwagner | |
| 17:31 | cait | zork? |
| 17:32 | jcamins | cait: http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/[…]NZT/zorkhist.html |
| 17:32 | Dulm | Yes! |
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| 17:33 | Dulm | Perhaps we can build Zork I into Koha - To get any work done people must solve text based adventure puzzles ;) |
| 17:35 | owen | It would be a great Easter egg |
| 17:35 | owen is now known as owen-away | |
| 17:35 | Dulm | Yeaaaah... |
| 17:36 | jcamins | Try to check out a certain number of non-circulating books, return a certain number of circulating books, create and delete a new item record, and you're in the midst of Zork? |
| 17:41 | rhcl | cait: no, but if I lived in Germany I would |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | can someone tell me if indexing has anything to do with the holds queue report? |
| 17:41 | and if it does, what exactly? | |
| 17:43 | owen++ : for proposing recent comments | |
| 17:45 | cait | rhcl: is being at kohaconf a good excuse? :) |
| 17:45 | Dulm | In could be done |
| 17:45 | Or Koha-Vaders | |
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| 17:46 | Dulm | A Koha logo could be the ship, and the invaders would be....hmmmm...what would a Koha fire at? |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | it wouldn't |
| 17:48 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
| 17:49 | owen | wizzyrea: Why the question about indexing and the holds queue? |
| 17:49 | rhcl | cait: hummm, I guess that might have priority |
| 17:49 | owen | the only connection I see is that the holds queue is a process that runs on a schedule just like indexing does |
| 17:49 | rhcl | kohacon I mean |
| 17:49 | owen | But they're not connected |
| 17:49 | cait | :) |
| 17:50 | jcamins | Dulm: the Koha logo could fire enlightement at previously unenlightened library systems. :) |
| 17:55 | Dulm | Ah the anti-Koha |
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| 18:10 | chris | morning |
| 18:10 | jwagner | chris_n or chris_n1 (whoever you are today), online? |
| 18:11 | chris_n | heh... "we're" here... :-) |
| 18:11 | Dulm | L8er |
| 18:11 | Dulm left #koha | |
| 18:11 | * chris_n | glares at chris_n1 |
| 18:11 | chris_n | get to work over there |
| 18:11 | jwagner | I'm being told about 3rd or 4th hand that entering slashes in the call number will make the spine label printing break at those points. Is that true for any value of Koha, especially for your label creator? |
| 18:12 | chris_n | not that I know of |
| 18:13 | I did have some code very early on that did that | |
| 18:13 | jwagner | Didn't think so -- I'd never heard of it, anyway. |
| 18:13 | chris_n | but it has since been removed and replaced with splitting regexps |
| 18:14 | which always need tuning, so feel free to update bug 2500 with any numbers that will not split correctly | |
| 18:14 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm |
| 18:14 | jwagner | OK, I'll whisper that back down the rumor chain. Thanks. |
| 18:15 | Unrelated (mostly) question -- I got asked today how Koha would handle NLM or SUDOC call number sorts. Anyone have any idea? | |
| 18:15 | nengard | NLM is very close to LOC so I have set it up and haven't had any complaints from those using it |
| 18:15 | cait | morning chris |
| 18:19 | chris | heya cait, hows the packing? :) |
| 18:19 | cait | don't ask |
| 18:19 | but I realized today, that I have only 3 work days left | |
| 18:19 | before nz, and only four before my next presentation | |
| 18:21 | chris | wow, not long |
| 18:21 | cait | no. not reall |
| 18:21 | y | |
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| 18:31 | jcamins | Wow. Our authorities sure are a mess. |
| 18:31 | * jcamins | sobs quietly to himself. |
| 18:31 | * jwagner | offers jcamins a blankie |
| 18:31 | jcamins | Cookie? |
| 18:32 | Oh, blankie. | |
| 18:32 | Thanks! | |
| 18:32 | jwagner | cookie and warm milk are the next stage, when sobbing goes from quiet to loud :-) |
| 18:32 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:32 | I think maybe I'll make fudge tonight. | |
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| 18:36 | jcamins | There should be a way to merge authority records in the staff client. |
| 18:37 | nengard | jcamins - i just wrote that in notes from my training |
| 18:37 | reva | how do you type in the umlaut. I mean the key map sequence. |
| 18:37 | nengard | i'm about to put a enhancement request in for that - the merge authorities |
| 18:38 | jcamins | nengard: it would be really helpful, especially for hosted installations! |
| 18:38 | nengard++ # for posting enhancement requests so I don't have to | |
| 18:38 | owen | Don't forget to sprinkle the bug with pixie dust nengard |
| 18:38 | nengard | what's the pixie dust for? |
| 18:39 | owen | Usually it takes some magic to get enhancements done |
| 18:39 | nengard | hehe - got it |
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| 18:41 | reva | ok another bug I noticed: in the 007 field builder, say I have picked some choices from the dropdown list (such as optical disc, multicolor, etc.), but I hit ok; and then I want to do some changes and I open the builder again, the choice for Specific Material Designation reverts back to Tape cartridge. |
| 18:42 | If you do not notice the reversion, you will be saving it as a Tape Cartridge. | |
| 18:43 | jcamins | reva: you got Koha all working already? Wow, that was fast! |
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| 18:44 | jcamins | reva: which 007 type? |
| 18:45 | reva | No, no, I am still internalizing the instruction. For example, where it says <password>, do I put in the password of my choice in double-quotes in the script? Taking a big break, that is all:). |
| 18:46 | jcamins | I see, electronic resources. |
| 18:46 | Yeah, I can confirm that bug. | |
| 18:46 | You should report it. | |
| 18:47 | reva | I was doing a bib record for a CD-ROM. So I picked electronic (instead of the default Text) and then it gives me further dropdowns. So I picked Optical media (cannot remember the exact label) and picked 4 and 3/4 as the size. |
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| 18:47 | jcamins | reva: report a bug at http://bugs.koha-community.org/ |
| 18:48 | reva | ok, thanks. I will report it. But the other day, I reported one, I do not see it in the new bug list. So I am not sure I understand the second scree that comes up after I report the bug. |
| 18:49 | What I will, but shouldn't I see it in the new bugs reported? | |
| 18:50 | jcamins | If you save the bug you should be able to find it again when you search for it. |
| 18:52 | reva | jcamins: the other bug I reported was the one about no title in the headers (under normal view either in OPAC or in Staff side) when you look at a record. Maybe it is considered an enhancement? |
| 18:53 | jcamins | Both should show up. |
| 18:53 | As long as you save the bug, I'm sure it's getting in there. | |
| 18:53 | Bugzilla is very straightforward to use. | |
| 18:54 | reva | and the 245c becoming useless because it is not seen except in the ISBD view on either side. Ok, I will try the 007 in the bug report and check to see if I actually "reported" it. |
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| 19:11 | chris | sekjal: ... book your hotel! |
| 19:11 | :) | |
| 19:11 | sekjal | thanks, chris |
| 19:13 | cait | :) |
| 19:13 | chris | i cant recall who it is, but someone is staying at the trinity hotel, (which is right next to my work) |
| 19:13 | ahh yes i recall now, its the librarians from Hauraki | |
| 19:13 | they got a good deal, so might be worth checking it out | |
| 19:14 | reva | jcamins: you tested the 007 bug I just talked about in 3.2, correct? This is so I can pick that as the version when I am reporting. |
| 19:15 | jcamins | Choose 3.4. |
| 19:15 | reva | ok, I will; thanks. |
| 19:15 | jcamins | That's the version the change will be going into. |
| 19:16 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| 19:16 | cait | wow |
| 19:16 | jcamins | Are they kidding me?!?!?!? |
| 19:17 | This record has no information at all. | |
| 19:17 | How am I supposed to find this book? | |
| 19:18 | http://donum.numismatics.org/c[…]blionumber=175690 <-- possibly a new low for our catalog | |
| 19:18 | Ooh, but it does have an LCCN. | |
| 19:19 | cait | and an author |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Yeah, but that author brings up... |
| 19:19 | jwagner | What more do you want? |
| 19:19 | jcamins | 217 results. |
| 19:20 | reva: your bug report went through properly. :) | |
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| 19:22 | reva | Thanks, jcamins. But I still do not see my first one I did a few days ago. I did a search using terms I had used in the report. Woud it be ok to file that again? |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Bug 5259 |
| 19:22 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5259 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 245 $c not displaying except in Card?ISBD View (OPAC) and ISBD View (Stafff side) |
| 19:22 | jcamins | That one? |
| 19:24 | reva | yeah:) jcamins, you are brilliant. I the author could not find it:( |
| 19:24 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 19:30 | reva | Bye jcamins for the weekend. I will get back to installation on Monday and report on how it is going and ask questions.:) |
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| 19:30 | briceSanc | hello |
| 19:32 | jcamins | Is there some way to delete all unused authorities? |
| 19:33 | briceSanc | do you have the same problem in "Home � Circulation � Checkouts � briceSanc" . I'm unable to check "Renew" then "Check in" in the same time (i think its normal) but i'm able to check "Check in" then "Renew" |
| 19:36 | i'm speaking about the checkboxs in the 'Checkout(s)' html table | |
| 19:38 | sekjal | hotel (rather, hostel) booked |
| 19:41 | owen | briceSanc: I confirm you observation |
| 19:41 | briceSanc: Can you please file a bug report for it? | |
| 19:43 | briceSanc | ok |
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| 19:43 | chris | sekjal: nomad? or base? |
| 19:44 | sekjal | chris: nomad |
| 19:44 | chris | sweet |
| 19:44 | briceSanc | owen, Is it normal to have difficulties to reveal the renewal form inside the Renew checkbox ? |
| 19:44 | chris | you can wake up at 7.59am and be at the conf by 8am :) |
| 19:44 | its pretty much as close as you can get | |
| 19:45 | and the cafe on the corner does good coffee | |
| 19:45 | owen | briceSanc: Bug 5051 perhaps? |
| 19:45 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab |
| 19:45 | sekjal | I'm wondering how the whole waking/sleeping thing is going to work... I'll try to sync up on the plane, but this is the furthest I've flown |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Does link_bibs_to_authorities.pl unlink authorities that it thinks do not match? |
| 19:46 | chris | sekjal: yeah it does mess with you a bit |
| 19:47 | jcamins | Okay, this is weird. |
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| 19:47 | jcamins | And you know what? |
| 19:47 | I'm going to pretend I didn't notice. | |
| 19:47 | chris | but the trick i find is not to give in to the desire for an earlynight, or a nap, even if you body is trying to make you, cos then you wake up at 3am :) |
| 19:48 | ok who the hell weedeats at 8.55am on a saturday morning | |
| 19:48 | jeeze | |
| 19:58 | * chris | yells out the window "you kids get off my lawn" |
| 20:01 | briceSanc | owen, Ok, I think the "Renewal due date" should appear when we click on "renew" !? |
| 20:02 | owen | briceSanc: I guess I don't understand your question |
| 20:06 | briceSanc | I rephrase : i think, in normal time, the renewal form appear when we check the renew checkout ? |
| 20:07 | not checkout = checkbox | |
| 20:07 | owen | What renew checkbox? On the circulation page? |
| 20:07 | briceSanc | yes |
| 20:07 | owen | No, no renewal form appears |
| 20:08 | Under normal conditions there are 1) the renwal checkboxes, and 2) the renewal due date form field | |
| 20:08 | Bug Bug 5051 prevents the renewal due date field from appearing unless there are checkouts from today. | |
| 20:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab |
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| 20:09 | briceSanc | ok |
| 20:09 | i will work on those bugs | |
| 20:09 | have a good weekend | |
| 20:09 | owen | briceSanc: Bug 5051 has a pending patch for it already |
| 20:09 | briceSanc | oh ok |
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| 20:24 | reva | jcamins, you can delete unused authorities by going into authorities module. The ones with 0 (zero) biblios have a delete option on the last column. (search with a blank string to bring up all the authorities so you can clean up). I am stillherre. |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | so am I to understand that in 3.2 batch mod, to clear a user enterable field you need to insert a space in it? Is that right? |
| 20:25 | jcamins | reva: yes, but that's one at a time. |
| 20:26 | I need to delete thousands. | |
| 20:26 | There's a script for deleting unused authorities. | |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | ok, I'm going to take that as truth, because that's what I have experienced. It's not terribly intuitive though. |
| 20:27 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no, not intuitive at all. |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | I think my next project will be to add a checkbox for "clear" to those. |
| 20:28 | better ideas? | |
| 20:29 | oh right the east coast is dropping off | |
| 20:29 | :) | |
| 20:29 | it's the weekend! | |
| 20:30 | jcamins | Yes it is. |
| 20:30 | In five minutes! | |
| 20:30 | And boy oh boy do I want those five minutes to pass. | |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | the youtube vortex: look up hot air balloons |
| 20:30 | click any one | |
| 20:31 | turn on groove salad on itunes radio | |
| 20:31 | space. | |
| 20:31 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | (oh,mute the video) |
| 20:33 | SJeffery | wizzy, at least the east coast isn't like those aussies and kiwis who think it is Saturday already |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Ah, what a glorious sound. |
| 20:35 | Have a good weekend, #koha | |
| 20:35 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | true |
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| 21:31 | wizzyrea | sekjal's quits always make me giggle. |
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| 21:54 | wizzy_fre | later peps |
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