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| 05:40 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.1�C (7:44 AM CEST on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Steady). |
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| 11:56 | Drakmor | Hi, I've been having trouble with printing barcode labels. Whenever I put them into the pdf, Koha doesn't center them... also, Koha isn't recognizing the acquisition dates for books, making the process of selecting books take forever. |
| 11:58 | owen | Drakmor: What version of Koha? |
| 11:59 | Drakmor | let me check, I'm using the newest live CD |
| 11:59 | I'm using 3.00.06.010 | |
| 12:01 | I can post the error info and the pdf if you want. | |
| 12:01 | owen | I don't know much about label printing |
| 12:01 | If I remember correctly label printing isn't in very good shape in that version. | |
| 12:01 | Drakmor | Darn, that's going to be a problem... |
| 12:02 | But how about Koha not recognizing the dates? It seems like a programming error. | |
| 12:04 | owen | Are you sure the dates are correct in your database? |
| 12:05 | Drakmor | Yes, it shows up in the items view, but when I click on the accession date link, I get this |
| 12:05 | Koha error The following fatal error has occurred: Can't use string ("0") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/orderreceive.pl line 192. ApacheServer version: Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server built: Apr 13 2010 19:28:27 Koha3.00.06.010 Koha DB3.0006010 MySQLmysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.41, for debian-linux-gnu | |
| 12:05 | and this is with level 2 debug info | |
| 12:08 | kf | Drakmor: the accession date link will link to acq module later |
| 12:09 | I think there was a patch for 3.2 - so it is perhaps broken in 3.0.6 | |
| 12:10 | Drakmor | So that's not a serious error? |
| 12:11 | If there's these problems, what's the best version to use? I figured to be safe and stay stable, but if it has problems.... | |
| 12:12 | kf | Drakmor: no, not a serious error |
| 12:12 | Drakmor | Good... |
| 12:13 | and it has nothing to do with the dates not being searchable? | |
| 12:13 | kf | Drakmor: I am not sure about your search problem for labels - we do not use the label print module yet. But I know it was rewritten for 3.2 |
| 12:13 | hdl | @kf++ |
| 12:13 | munin | hdl: Error: "kf++" is not a valid command. |
| 12:13 | kf | huh? |
| 12:14 | hdl | I wanted to say you were right. |
| 12:14 | kf | ah |
| 12:14 | hdl | hi bw |
| 12:14 | kf | Drakmor: I don't have a 3.0.x installation, so can't test this, perhaps someone else can help |
| 12:14 | hi hdl | |
| 12:15 | I was waiting for you ... wanted to ask you about MANUAL_ODUE - is this feature working in 3.2? | |
| 12:15 | hdl | labels were rewritten for 3.2 and I could not port that to stable |
| 12:16 | kf | I saw the patch for 3.0.x - and my library would love it |
| 12:16 | Drakmor | thanks, I'll probably be back later to learn more |
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| 12:16 | hdl | Do you have a patch # ? |
| 12:17 | kf | it was in your last commit, bug 4990 |
| 12:17 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4990 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, reintegrate overdues email in overdue list |
| 12:19 | kf | commit a8441dfabf5c2b561b6ba93c084a88072a910043 |
| 12:30 | hdl | will try to port that. |
| 12:31 | kf | hdl: that would be great |
| 12:31 | we are already running on 3.01.61 - so we won't get it with an update | |
| 12:53 | hdl | kf sent you the patch |
| 12:53 | kf | oh, want me to test? |
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| 12:54 | kf | hdl: which address? |
| 12:56 | louis | Hi everyone. I was wondering, is there a way to change the dropdown menu in the Opac simple search (Library Catalog, Title, Author, ...) to add a search parameter ? (using 3.2 beta) |
| 12:57 | kf | louis: not by configuration, only by changing the templates |
| 12:57 | owen | louis: If you know the right value to add you could just some custom javascript to do it |
| 12:57 | kf | oh |
| 12:57 | owen is right | |
| 12:57 | louis | thanks alot |
| 12:57 | owen | louis: Is there an existing index you want to search? |
| 12:57 | kf | owen++ |
| 12:57 | louis | yes |
| 12:58 | owen: I want to customize the simple search, but everything I want to add is already searchable in the advanced search | |
| 12:59 | owen | louis: I'm not a CCL expert, so I don't know how to advise you on how to construct your query, but this is the snippet of jQuery which would do what you want: |
| 12:59 | $("#masthead_search").append("<option value=\"xx\">XX</option>"); | |
| 13:00 | The question is what do you put in for "xx" ? | |
| 13:01 | louis | owen: thank you. With that I'll be able to make it work :-) |
| 13:01 | owen | louis: Are you familiar with how to add javascript to the opacuserjs system preference? |
| 13:01 | louis | never done it, but I know where to add it in the Pref system |
| 13:01 | owen | $(document).ready(function(){ |
| 13:01 | $("#masthead_search").append("<option value=\"xx\">XX</option>"); | |
| 13:01 | }); | |
| 13:02 | Wrap the snippet in that "document ready" function so that it will run on page load | |
| 13:02 | louis | owen: ok |
| 13:04 | hdl | kf: bsz-bw.de |
| 13:04 | kf | hm |
| 13:04 | no mail yet | |
| 13:04 | why don't send it to koha-patches? more tests needed? | |
| 13:05 | I think it will be a feature of 3.0.x now, so should be in 3.2 too. I can test tomorrow perhaps, a lot of work right now :( | |
| 13:06 | hdl | kf: will send that on list. But I would have liked that stuff to be tested before. |
| 13:07 | owen | Is there a bug report it could be attached to? |
| 13:07 | That seems like a good compromise | |
| 13:08 | hdl | owen: your patch for 3.0.x does not apply (bug 4984) |
| 13:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4984 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Invalid XHTML in staff client search results |
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| 13:09 | kf | hdl: will try to test tomorrow - can you perhaps send the patch again? or attach to bug? perhaps it got stuck in our spam filter |
| 13:09 | owen | hdl: The patch was for HEAD, but I'd be happy to rework it for 3.0.x |
| 13:10 | hdl | owen: I thought it was for 3.0.x since the comment spoke about 3.0.x |
| 13:10 | kf: sill attach the file | |
| 13:10 | (seems better | |
| 13:10 | ) | |
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| 13:16 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:20 | kf | hdl: thx |
| 13:21 | hdl | jcamins: |
| 13:21 | hi | |
| 13:21 | kf | hi jcamins |
| 13:21 | hdl | kf: Misery, misery... Code changed.... so much that I would have to rewrite the stuff |
| 13:22 | kf | hdl: oh |
| 13:23 | hdl: so the patch will not work? | |
| 13:23 | hdl | Just tested that.. ANd no. |
| 13:23 | kf | hdl: and it will be broken after update to 3.2 too? |
| 13:25 | hdl | the patch proposed for 3.0.x would work on 3.0.x but not for 3.2 |
| 13:29 | kf | hm |
| 13:31 | ok, plz don't misunderstand me. but I wonder if it makes sense to introduce this feature to 3.0.x now - if it will not work with 3.2 | |
| 13:35 | brice | hi |
| 13:49 | owen | Fun stuff: http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=14916 |
| 13:49 | "SkyRiver Files Antitrust Suit Against OCLC" | |
| 13:58 | jcamins | Interesting. |
| 13:59 | kf | yep |
| 13:59 | jcamins | So how long until the blogosphere is humming with that bit of gossip? |
| 14:00 | Are there any Koha libraries using SkyRiver? | |
| 14:04 | kf | not sure |
| 14:04 | but sending mail to my coworkers right now ;) | |
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| 16:18 | joetho | I am curious about the triple-i / skyriver connection and why they filed this together. Time to nose around the blogosphere! |
| 16:19 | kf | I read they are owned by the same people in a blog post |
| 16:20 | http://blog.ecorrado.us/2010/0[…]uit-against-oclc/ | |
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| 16:21 | kf | ok, bye #koha |
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| 16:43 | JeremyLC | is anyone awake? |
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| 16:46 | owen | Ask away JeremyLC , if anyone knows they answer they'll help out |
| 16:47 | wajasu | i tried that cloud-kw.pl script (v 3.0.2 koha) and it had an exception ==> Can't take log of 0 at ./cloud-kw.pl line 198 |
| 16:48 | i saw that it might be an issue with the instance of perl that was compiled. i.e. latest. I'm on archlinux. | |
| 16:50 | maybe the code needs a check for $min not to be zero. | |
| 16:50 | oh well. | |
| 16:51 | JeremyLC | I'm still banging my head on my desk over our need for hourly circulation |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | somebody was in here yesterday talking about that |
| 16:53 | JeremyLC | I know it has been implemented by LibLime, but we can only get it from them for more $$ than we can spend |
| 16:53 | I know ByWater Solutions is working on it also, but they're nowhere near release | |
| 16:54 | owen | Nothing to do but wait or chip in, JeremyLC |
| 16:55 | JeremyLC | we could implement it ourselves, but then we're duplicating work already done and being done, and further we risk our implementation being obsoleted by one of the two previously mentioned parties' work |
| 16:56 | owen | You wouldn't be duplicating work done by others if you were doing the work out in the open with open partners |
| 16:56 | sekjal | JeremyLC: briceSanc was in here yesterday talking about implementing it, as well. |
| 16:56 | if your team, his and mine were to all work on an implementation together, perhaps we could get it done more quickly | |
| 16:57 | we'd need to plan carefully and have a solid spec, but Git is great for collaboration like that | |
| 16:57 | JeremyLC | yeah, we would have to get cleared through OTM (office of tech. management) and general counsel (legal, of course) to do that, but we were cleared for our Moodle plugins already, so there is precedent |
| 17:00 | there is an existing RFC on the Koha docs | |
| 17:00 | sekjal | yes. we'd need to decide if that's a good implementation to use, or if we should make any alterations. |
| 17:00 | JeremyLC | the liblime implementation follows the RFC, ByWater is updating the RFC for their implementation |
| 17:01 | sekjal | I was thinking of doing everything in base units of 1 minute, and having the system automatically convert to hours or days |
| 17:01 | rather than have the units laid out explicitly in the database | |
| 17:02 | there'd need to be a rounding mechanism, so that something due 'tomorrow' wasn't due exactly 1440 minutes later | |
| 17:04 | JeremyLC | yeah, if a circulation policy specifies only a due date, then one would need to specify a default due time on said date, or default being due by the close of operations for the day |
| 17:05 | sekjal | the overdues and advance notices system will need a major overhaul, as well |
| 17:05 | JeremyLC | yuck |
| 17:05 | sekjal | it would sure be nice to be able to send a SMS message to a user 5 minutes before their reserve book was due back at the desk |
| 17:06 | JeremyLC | I hadn't even thought of that, since we're not technically a library (and we don't do reserves) |
| 17:06 | sekjal | a message processing script, then, would probably need to either be on a cron for every minute or so, or utilize a daemon |
| 17:08 | JeremyLC | and the complexity grows |
| 17:10 | sekjal | I've even got some notes here that messaging needs to go from being based on the patron type and item type to being based on the circ rule governing it |
| 17:10 | which seems like it could be really confusing to users | |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | ... |
| 17:11 | sekjal | where by 'users' I mean staff |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | yes, agreed, could be very confusing |
| 17:12 | sekjal | we'd probably want to bring in some of BibLibre's work on a tabbed circ rules interface |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | well yea |
| 17:15 | frankly I really like the messaging matrix as it is now | |
| 17:15 | at least on the patron screen | |
| 17:15 | defining what gets sent when, it would indeed be nice to have a little more customization there | |
| 17:15 | but I have to go | |
| 17:15 | bbl | |
| 17:16 | sekjal | I have some notes on redoing the whole notices system. |
| 17:17 | dividing it between system events (like a checkin or checkout) and date-driven events (like pre-dues, dues, overdues, hold expiry, etc) | |
| 17:17 | JeremyLC | I need to go too |
| 17:19 | bbl | |
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| 17:28 | briceSanc | JeremyLC, Hi ! |
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| 17:36 | briceSanc | sekjal, Hi ! |
| 17:37 | sekjal | hi, briceSanc! |
| 17:37 | sorry I disappeared; my desktop crashed | |
| 17:37 | briceSanc | My project manager and me are very interesset to help you to develop the CheckoutByHour |
| 17:37 | sekjal | awesome! |
| 17:38 | briceSanc | How could we proceed to get organized |
| 17:38 | ? | |
| 17:39 | sekjal | I'll need to talk to my team for some of the details, but I think our first step is laying out all the requirements for the project |
| 17:39 | what, in the end, does the system need to do? in somewhat-excruciating detail | |
| 17:40 | briceSanc | of course ! |
| 17:40 | sekjal | then we figure out how to make it do those things, write some code, and test |
| 17:40 | briceSanc | ok |
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| 17:41 | sekjal | there are lots of ways to structure the Git sharing... |
| 17:41 | a central repo would be handy, but not necessarily required | |
| 17:41 | briceSanc | i have a meeting in 2Hrs with my project manager. We will make our spec requirements and send to you |
| 17:41 | ASAP | |
| 17:41 | sekjal | great! |
| 17:42 | briceSanc | if we can agree on the specifications, we can have a central repo |
| 17:42 | what is your email address ? | |
| 17:42 | sekjal | I'm at ian.wallsbywatersolutions.com |
| 17:43 | briceSanc | For when you will wish to have this enhancement |
| 17:44 | and I'm at brice.sanchezsys-tech.net |
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| 17:44 | sekjal | the sooner the better; we've been aiming for the end of the summer over here, but that's rapidly approaching |
| 17:44 | briceSanc | we have the same dead line |
| 17:45 | i'm a new in Koha community but i work at full time on Koha since 2 weeks | |
| 17:46 | so i can learn quickly | |
| 17:46 | sekjal | excellent. I've been active for about a year, and doing it fulltime since March |
| 17:47 | briceSanc | great. |
| 17:47 | and JeremyLC is a developper too ? | |
| 17:48 | sekjal | yes, I believe so. I know he's interested, and may have a team to contribute, as well |
| 17:48 | briceSanc | 1,2,3,.. developpers... i love Open Source |
| 17:49 | sekjal | there are, of course, business-type arrangements to be made, but I prefer to leave that to business-type people. I'm eager to make this happen |
| 17:50 | briceSanc | what do you mean by "business-type arrangements to be made" |
| 17:51 | sekjal | agreements between our respective companies, for things like liability, copyright, etc. |
| 17:51 | stuff to define how we would work together | |
| 17:52 | briceSanc | ok i understand |
| 17:53 | Our company work for 20 School in Quebec | |
| 17:54 | for at least 5 years | |
| 17:55 | So our first concern is to see our work in the Koha Community integrated for easy maintenance | |
| 17:56 | sekjal | absolutely agreed. |
| 17:57 | briceSanc | So i will send you a mail once i have an answer about Checkoutbyhour enhancement |
| 17:58 | sekjal | sounds like a plan. I'll talk to my people, and we'll move forward from there |
| 17:59 | briceSanc | ok |
| 18:10 | chris | if it would help we can set up a wip repo on git.koha-community.org that you can push too |
| 18:11 | http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ | |
| 18:11 | like the fbc or catalyst ones | |
| 18:12 | sekjal | chris: that'd be great. everyone would be able to track the progress that way |
| 18:15 | owen | And then LibLime can chip in too! :D |
| 18:16 | chris | oh how we laughed |
| 18:17 | sekjal: yup, would make it easy for ppl to test and even send patches too | |
| 18:17 | joetho | paypal button |
| 18:18 | sekjal | chris: exactly. big a change as it would bring on, the more testing that can be done, the better |
| 18:20 | chris | yup yup |
| 18:20 | and as ill probably be the RM when it goes in, more testing makes my life a lot easier too | |
| 18:20 | win-win | |
| 18:27 | * chris_n | wakes up at the sound of so many wins |
| 18:28 | sekjal | chris: yes, hopefully it will make it into 3.4 fully tested and ready to go. |
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| 18:28 | chris_n | this looks like an exciting development |
| 18:30 | sekjal | I'm certainly excited. hourly loans need to happen, and it's very encouraging to see it moving forward in this way |
| 18:30 | chris | yup, catalyst will probably have some resource to help, certainly testing |
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| 19:13 | chris | heya cfouts, hows the sleep going? |
| 19:13 | (my standard question to all newish dads :)) | |
| 19:13 | joetho | new dad? CONGRATULATIONS ! ! ! |
| 19:14 | chris | nearly 2 months now? iirc |
| 19:15 | cfouts | thanks! |
| 19:15 | my daughter is remarkably generous. I sleep quite as much as ever. | |
| 19:15 | she likes to sleep more or less through the night. | |
| 19:16 | chris | excellent :) |
| 19:16 | owen | cfouts: Careful when sharing that with other first-time parents ;) |
| 19:16 | chris | heh |
| 19:18 | ive been fairly lucky with both my boys, sleep wise | |
| 19:18 | * chris_n | 's nearly 4 year old still wakes up at night at least once |
| 19:18 | chris | til the teeth kick in |
| 19:18 | kahu (nearly 4) sleeps 7 to 7 | |
| 19:18 | and everyday am i thankful fo it | |
| 19:19 | for even | |
| 19:19 | atarau wakes once or twice a night | |
| 19:19 | chris_n | when is Kahu's birthday? |
| 19:19 | chris | actually hes a few months from 4, november 20 |
| 19:19 | atarau is 14 months today | |
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| 19:20 | chris_n | Mercy's is september 18 |
| 19:20 | chris | mercy is a great name |
| 19:20 | chris_n | just about a month apart |
| 19:20 | chris | yup |
| 19:20 | play date :) | |
| 19:20 | chris_n | heh |
| 19:20 | chris | hes gonna be in the US round then |
| 19:21 | laurel and the 2 boys are going back to see the grandparents | |
| 19:21 | chris_n | whereabouts? |
| 19:21 | chris | before its full fare for all of them |
| 19:21 | pittsburgh | |
| 19:21 | with stops in LA (one brother) and NYC (the other brother) | |
| 19:21 | chris_n | a busy trip then |
| 19:21 | chris | she also has a band reunion in pittsburgh |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | my standard reply for that is "you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing" |
| 19:22 | chris_n | lol! |
| 19:22 | chris | so yup, busy |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | so... what I'm saying is... oh never mind. |
| 19:22 | chris | heh |
| 19:22 | first one | |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | but I am glad you have a good sleeping baby, that's definitely a blessing. :) |
| 19:22 | chris_n | @quote add <wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is "you know that women are genetically predisposed to wake to a baby's cry... where men are more likely to wake up to the sound of a fly buzzing" |
| 19:22 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #87 added. |
| 19:22 | chris | laurel made me go sleep in the lounge |
| 19:23 | cos i would wake up if i heard something, if i didnt hear something, if a cloud drifted past | |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | the second one was all elbows in the rib "Get up and feed the baby!" |
| 19:23 | j/k j/k | |
| 19:23 | chris_n | we tried to trade off and alternate up times |
| 19:24 | chris | hehe, you'll realise how dangerous that would be when you meet laurel wizzyrea :) |
| 19:24 | the 2nd one is more 'meh, he'll go back to sleep' | |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | HAHA |
| 19:25 | brendan | since we're talking about babies.. We found out yesterday - that we are having a Girl |
| 19:25 | chris_n | yup, first one was pins and needles... fourth was roll over and go back to sleep |
| 19:25 | chris | congrats brendan!! |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | Yay a girl! |
| 19:25 | chris_n | brendan++ |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | lol chris_n... |
| 19:25 | I am full of snark on this topic, it's so hard to keep it in check | |
| 19:25 | chris | hehe |
| 19:26 | yeah ive seen you on twitter at 3am | |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | OMG TELL THIS BABY TO GO BACK TO SLEEP |
| 19:26 | chris | heh |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 19:26 | chris_n | our order was: boy, girl, boy, girl |
| 19:26 | chris | i wonder if my monkey clock would work for spud? |
| 19:26 | kahu has a clock, thats a monkey | |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | what is this monkey clock you speak of? |
| 19:27 | chris | its eyes close at 7pm |
| 19:27 | and open at 7am | |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | Aha |
| 19:27 | chris | he knows he isnt allowed up until the monkeys eyes are open |
| 19:27 | so at precisely 7am every day | |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | seriously speaking, he sleeps pretty well now, and both goes to bed and wakes at totally decent hours |
| 19:27 | chris | i hear 'DADDDDDYYYYYY MONKEYS EYES ARE OPEN" |
| 19:28 | owen | chris: Does it have a weekend mode where it secretly doesn't open its eyes until 9? :) |
| 19:28 | chris_n | heh |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | he's only up if he's sick or in a phase or accidentally ate chocolate after 5 |
| 19:28 | chris | you can change it |
| 19:28 | but he sussed it out | |
| 19:28 | cos he knows where the hands on the clock should point | |
| 19:28 | owen | Durn kids keep learnin' |
| 19:28 | chris | whos dumb idea was it to teach him how to tell time |
| 19:28 | chris_n | how about when the battery dies? |
| 19:29 | chris | ill let you know when it happens chris_n :) |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | oh snap, sneak in while hes asleep and set it back 2 hours :P |
| 19:29 | chris | good plan :) |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | j/k, that's dishonest and not nice |
| 19:29 | chris | yeah, 3 is much better |
| 19:29 | chris_n | hehe |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | they tell me it's bad form and teaches the wrong lesson to lie to your kids :P |
| 19:30 | like the time I told spud not to throw things at the cat | |
| 19:30 | chris | heh |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | then I threw a shoe at the cat |
| 19:30 | * chris_n | wonders if he is lying to himself when he sets back his clock one timezone to get an extra hour in |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | to keep him from scratching the furniture! |
| 19:30 | poor spud came unhinged | |
| 19:30 | chris | oh yeah atarau yells at the cat |
| 19:30 | got that from me | |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | no throw shoes at keekee! Poor Pixel! |
| 19:30 | Use words at cat! | |
| 19:31 | chris | hehe |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | NO KEEKEE |
| 19:31 | I was like, oh dear, you're right, I should not have thrown a shoe at the cat. >.> | |
| 19:31 | he still reminds me of that incident, and it's been like a month | |
| 19:31 | chris | they remember FOREVER |
| 19:32 | and then tell ppl at the worst times | |
| 19:32 | :) | |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 19:33 | (pixel is the cat, in case that wasn't clear) | |
| 19:33 | joetho | I have reset my clocks to trick my kids, and believe me, you only get to use that one ONCE. |
| 19:34 | chris | kahu pulled out 'what the hell?????' at kindergarten the other day (me again im afraid) apparently in perfect context, the kindergarten teachers took great joy in telling me |
| 19:34 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 19:34 | yes, I'm afraid we are in for some of that ourselves. | |
| 19:34 | chris | 'i want a juice please', 'you can have water', 'what the hell??' |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | spud told me last night "not yet, one more minute!" when it was time for bed. |
| 19:35 | which, really, I"m sure is nothing huge | |
| 19:35 | but it was the 1st time. | |
| 19:35 | chris_n | ouch... 42 deg C heat index outside |
| 19:35 | @wunder 28334 | |
| 19:35 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 35.1�C (3:36 PM EDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:35 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 19:35 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (12:37 PM PDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:35 | chris | yikes |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | @wunder 66047 |
| 19:36 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 33.1�C (2:40 PM CDT on July 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:36 | chris_n | that humidity is wrong |
| 19:36 | chris | @wunder wellington nz |
| 19:36 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 2.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:36 | chris_n | should be 47% |
| 19:36 | chris | 2??? |
| 19:36 | chris_n | trade chris? |
| 19:36 | chris | what the hell?????? |
| 19:36 | brendan | yeah 2 what the hell? |
| 19:36 | chris_n | snowing? |
| 19:36 | or icing? | |
| 19:36 | brendan | well - I've enjoyed the kid stories - I'll be able to join in a year or so ;) |
| 19:37 | chris | :) |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 19:37 | chris | chris_n: yeah bit of frost |
| 19:37 | chris_n | :-) |
| 19:37 | owen | brendan: It'll be nice to add another "koha kid" to the roster |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | I won't mind if you come here in 8-9 months and say "OMG kiddo rolled over this morning!" |
| 19:37 | chris | yeah, we have a fair few of them now |
| 19:37 | brendan | :) I totally agree |
| 19:38 | chris | somethng random i found yesterday |
| 19:38 | https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/factoids/3529472 | |
| 19:38 | jcamins | Just in case any listeners are confused: despite all the children being discussed on #koha, I do not have any plans to have kids. |
| 19:38 | chris | i suspect we have the most kids too :) |
| 19:38 | jcamins | Okay, carry on. |
| 19:38 | chris | heh jcamins |
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| 19:40 | jcamins | chris: since I just got off the phone with my college roommate, who asked if we were moving into an apartment that had enough space for kids, I thought clarification might be needed. |
| 19:41 | chris | :-) |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | < is a former "never" sayer |
| 19:43 | chris_n | never say never.... |
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| 19:47 | chris | ok bus time |
| 19:47 | bbiab, i thnk i adjusted the aerial on my wifi enough so that i can get wifi at the bus stop :) | |
| 19:47 | <--- geek | |
| 19:47 | * chris | wanders off |
| 19:47 | larsw | chris :) |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | lars! |
| 19:48 | hi :) | |
| 19:48 | larsw | greetings |
| 19:48 | pianohack | Hi |
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| 19:53 | chris | Yep it works |
| 19:54 | jcamins | larsw: how's NYC? |
| 19:54 | chris | larsw: chilts last day today |
| 19:54 | owen left #koha | |
| 19:54 | larsw | jcamins, hot and smelly |
| 19:54 | chilts, good luck! I hope to see you before I leave NZ again | |
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| 19:55 | jcamins | larsw: Sounds like NYC. |
| 19:55 | chris | Yeah we should definitely do a few lunches before you head off |
| 19:56 | Man it really is 2 out here | |
| 19:57 | jcamins | larsw: are you staying in Manhattan? |
| 19:57 | larsw | yes |
| 19:57 | * chris_n | will take 2 C right now if he could get it :-P |
| 19:58 | jcamins | Well, looking on the plus side, at least you're not so far out. |
| 19:58 | * jcamins | would also be happy for an ambient temperature of 2 C |
| 19:59 | chris_n | check this out food lovers: http://foodbeast.com/content/2[…]ese-turtleburger/ |
| 20:00 | if that doesn't make your heart scream nothing will | |
| 20:01 | chris | Heh |
| 20:02 | jcamins | chris_n: just looking at that is giving me high cholesterol for the first time in my life. |
| 20:09 | JeremyLC | that makes my chest hurt just looking at it |
| 20:09 | chris | It makes me thirsty |
| 20:10 | briceSanc | Hi JeremyLC, I talked with Sekjal about the checkout by hour |
| 20:10 | pianohack | What's the quickest way to create a debian package from a source tree retrieved by apt-get source, then modified? |
| 20:11 | (building a customized ghostscript to support a printer driver) | |
| 20:11 | briceSanc | we are very interested by develop this feature |
| 20:11 | before the end of August | |
| 20:11 | chris | The best way |
| 20:11 | Is make a patch for you mod | |
| 20:12 | Put in in the patches dir | |
| 20:12 | pianohack | okay, that's cool |
| 20:12 | chris | And the debuild -uc |
| 20:13 | pianohack | thanks, that's probably worth the time for this project. Are there any quicker hacks to do it in the future, if I'm in a hurry? |
| 20:13 | JeremyLC | briceSanc , have you already started on it, then? |
| 20:13 | chris | Or something very similair I can check in 20 mins when I'm at my desk |
| 20:13 | briceSanc | no |
| 20:13 | chris | Diff will make you a patch |
| 20:13 | pianohack | chris: cool |
| 20:14 | chris | With the right switches |
| 20:14 | Larsw can tell you if I'm speaking crap :) | |
| 20:16 | JeremyLC | that would be a faster schedule than we could do here, we'll be doing some hardware upgrades (Apple lease renewal) and it would be right at the beginning of our fall semester (begins Aug. 26) |
| 20:16 | larsw | in principle, it should be enough to just modify the files and then run "debuild -us -uc", it usually does the right thing and creates the patch automatically; this is sufficiently good for local use, at least |
| 20:16 | chris | After his great talk on packaging I aim to package everything |
| 20:16 | larsw | chris, yay :) |
| 20:16 | chris | Ahh cool thanks larsw |
| 20:17 | pianohack | larsw: thanks |
| 20:17 | sekjal | JeremyLC: do you have specific requirements for what hourly circulation would need to do for your institution? |
| 20:20 | JeremyLC | sekjal: we need to be able to track how long a given patron has a given item and be able, later, to generate reports showing their cumulative usage |
| 20:20 | sekjal | cumulative usage per item, or of all items? |
| 20:21 | JeremyLC | sekjal: all items |
| 20:22 | sekjal: we are a media lab (we have DVDs, CDs, VHS, etc.) and certain students are required to spend x-hours per week watching/listening in our lab, so we track how long they have a given item and that is counted as their time | |
| 20:23 | sekjal | JeremyLC: an interesting report... not one I'd think to run in a book-based library. but certainly do-able |
| 20:23 | so long as the checkin and checkout times are recorded, which they darn well better be | |
| 20:23 | chris | Yup they are |
| 20:24 | They are datetime fields iirc, just datedue isnt | |
| 20:25 | JeremyLC | they are, in al the versions of Koha I've looked at, date fields |
| 20:25 | (even the 3.2 beta) | |
| 20:25 | sekjal | yeah, I've identified a bunch of tables in Koha that'll need to have their dates changed to datetimes |
| 20:25 | issues, reserves and items (and their old/deleted counterparts) mostly | |
| 20:26 | chris | Ill have to check I might be think of statistics |
| 20:26 | JeremyLC | so, no time recorded, just date |
| 20:26 | chris | Which records issues and returns with timestamps |
| 20:26 | My stop | |
| 20:27 | JeremyLC | also, we do have a 4-hour checkout limit for students (1 week for professors) |
| 20:30 | chris | ah yep, you could do the report from statistics currently |
| 20:30 | but we still want those fields changed :) | |
| 20:32 | JeremyLC | oh? |
| 20:33 | chris | try a select * from statistics where type='issue' limit 2; |
| 20:33 | JeremyLC | we could give up the 4-hour limit (call it 1-day and be done), since it has, in practice, never come up as an issue |
| 20:34 | chris | ditto for return |
| 20:34 | sekjal | JeremyLC: do you charge fines for late materials, and if so, how frequently do they accrue? |
| 20:35 | chris | so with a couple of subqueries you could get hte data from statistics, would be much cleaner to get it from issues table itself though |
| 20:35 | JeremyLC | sekjal: no fines, even though we would really love to |
| 20:37 | Hmm... :) This sounds like good news for us | |
| 20:37 | pastebot | "chris" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "sample of output from statistics" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/34 |
| 20:39 | JeremyLC | that would do it |
| 20:39 | that's very nice to find out | |
| 20:40 | chris | i use statistics to show the busy times in the library etc |
| 20:40 | but no reason you cant use it for other things, thats what its for :) | |
| 20:41 | JeremyLC | that leaves us with a minor LDAP issue to resolve and we're good |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | chris if you are walking I hope you're looking where you are going |
| 20:41 | lol | |
| 20:41 | chris | heh, naw at my desk now |
| 20:41 | JeremyLC | (we need rebinding for authentication) |
| 20:41 | * wizzyrea | imagines chris bumping into things for the sake of #koha |
| 20:43 | chris | not after what happened last time |
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| 20:43 | chris | morning alan, thought you were on leave? |
| 20:43 | briceSanc | Bye everyone, see you tomorrow |
| 20:44 | chris | cya briceSanc |
| 20:44 | sekjal | bye, briceSanc |
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| 20:48 | JeremyLC | is it possible to add our own custom authentication module? |
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| 20:50 | richard | hi |
| 20:50 | chris | you could use the CAS stuff JeremyLC |
| 20:51 | have you looked into that? | |
| 20:52 | JeremyLC | as in Auth_with_cas.pm ? |
| 20:53 | chris | yeah koha can use a CAS server to authenticate |
| 20:53 | JeremyLC | I was thinking we could either add re-binding as a configurable option to the existing Auth_with_LDAP or create our own Auth_with_CEDAR as a unique module |
| 20:54 | chris | i think the former would be better |
| 20:54 | JeremyLC | (CEDAR == our uni's implementation of LDAP) |
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| 20:54 | chris | having it as a configuration option would make for less overhead with 2 mostly identical code bases |
| 20:55 | JeremyLC | we also need the option to use LDAP with SSL |
| 20:55 | chris | definitely, i think most ppl would like that |
| 20:55 | JeremyLC | (non-optional, the infosec office and uni. policy require it) |
| 20:55 | chris | as they should |
| 20:57 | JeremyLC | agreed |
| 20:58 | relatedly, why doesn't the Koha admin/staff interface use https by default? (fairly simple to setup, though) | |
| 20:59 | brb | |
| 21:00 | sekjal | time for me to go. have a good rest of your day, #koha! |
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| 21:00 | pianohack | bye, sek |
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| 21:03 | JeremyLC | back |
| 21:08 | chris | JeremyLC: mainly cos of the setting up certificates out of hte box, but yes we should strong recommend ppl do it |
| 21:09 | http://nzoss.org.nz/news/2010/[…]elected-president | |
| 21:09 | JeremyLC | due to FERPA, it's pretty much required in an academic environment (if I understand correctly) |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | in our version, over https:// the import/z searching doesn't work |
| 21:10 | but it seems to be fixed in 3.2. | |
| 21:10 | (but we don't have that) | |
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| 21:11 | JeremyLC | we haven't gotten far enough to test, we've been stymied by the hourly loans / statistics, but that seems to really be a non-issue |
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| 22:14 | JeremyLC | time to go home |
| 22:14 | chris | spotya later |
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