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04:18 | robin | Any zebra experts around? I'm getting a segmentation fault, wondering if anyone has any ideas where to look. |
04:18 | http://paste.nothing.net.nz/f86e5f | |
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05:24 | cait | hi #koha |
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07:32 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
07:36 | cait | hi Ropuch |
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08:21 | chris | hi |
08:37 | magnus | hiya |
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09:09 | cait | hi chris and magnus |
09:09 | magnus | hiya cait - odd time of the day for this version of you? |
09:10 | cait | :) |
09:11 | yep, I took one day off to run some errands in the city | |
09:11 | passport photo, apply for passport,... | |
09:13 | magnus: but didn't you tell me you were not good with names? | |
09:14 | magnus | Cait: ahh i see. but you still couldn't keep off irc? i know the feeling... ;-) |
09:14 | cait: well, they sink in, eventually | |
09:15 | * cait | feels at home in #koha :) |
09:23 | magnus | ;-) |
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09:50 | cait | ok, time to catch my bus - bye all |
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10:05 | dritan | hello+ |
10:06 | does everyone know why dont work the search cataloging in koha 3.00.06 | |
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10:25 | Ropuch | You mean z3950 search while cataloging? |
10:25 | Or just searching catalog? | |
10:26 | Searching catalog without results might be related to zebra server | |
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11:40 | nengard | is there a public branch for 3.4 yet? or are we just submitting patches against HEAD and they'll be ignored until 3.4? |
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12:13 | irma | Hi all |
12:18 | jwagner | Hi irma |
12:21 | irma | hi jwagner ... I am feeling down :-( everything takes sooo long |
12:22 | to do it well and test it over and over grrr | |
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12:23 | jwagner | irma, I know the feeling :-( And it's not even Monday. It just _feels_ like it.... |
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12:41 | irma | It's the sitting and being attached to my computers that gets to me too ... |
12:43 | a long bike ride at sunrise will cheer me up and get me Koha ready for the day! | |
12:44 | jwagner | Nah, my computer is my only friend, sometimes.... |
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12:49 | irma | U cheered me up! Have a good day. G'night. |
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12:57 | gmcharlt | nengard: submit patches against head |
12:57 | nengard | K I did :) |
12:57 | they change strings - so i figured they'd be pushed to 3.4 | |
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13:07 | nengard | added owen's faq about customizing the staff client logo to the manual: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]43067439838f510a0 |
13:08 | magnus | nengard++ |
13:08 | nengard | owen++ :) |
13:09 | magnus | sure! |
13:09 | nengard | Docbook allows me to credit each section with a different author - which I have done - but it doesn't show on the HTML - something we haven't been able to figure out yet ... so I like to show the git commits so you see the XML that does indeed credit the person who wrote the section |
13:11 | * magnus | wonders if the patch from paul_p for bug 3881 will make it into 3.2 |
13:11 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3881 blocker, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy |
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13:18 | nengard | me too magnus |
13:18 | but i think someone said they couldn't actually find the patch.. | |
13:18 | magnus | i think it's this one: http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]ember/004973.html |
13:19 | there is a link to it from the bug | |
13:19 | perhaps gmcharlt could shed some light on this? | |
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13:22 | nengard | oops - gotta run - webinar in 30 - got to log in :) |
13:22 | gmcharlt | magnus: the patch exists, but needs additional work |
13:23 | nengard | if that patch isn't pushed we should remove the system preference that goes along with it - it's confusing |
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13:26 | magnus | thanks, gmcharlt. more a question for paul_p then, perhaps... but would you push it even it was complete? it does introduce some new strings |
13:26 | gmcharlt | yes - I think otherwise it would be a regression from 3.0 |
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13:33 | magnus | um, regression? |
13:34 | owen | Why a regression? It's not in 3.0.x |
13:35 | gmcharlt | pardon me, my mistake - I thought hdl had pushed it there |
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14:54 | owen | Mailing list post -> FAQ -> Long-winded blog post: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=612 |
14:54 | wizzyrea | owen++ you are so helpful. I appreciate you every day |
14:55 | and I bet your koha login has an Athens county logo on it now ;) | |
14:55 | * wizzyrea | goes to change the NExpress one |
14:57 | owen | I was surprised at how nice it looked :) |
14:58 | ...and surprised no one had ever asked before now | |
15:01 | wizzyrea | just curious, what's the width of the graphic you're using? |
15:01 | and height, for that matter | |
15:01 | owen | The one in my example, or the original? |
15:01 | wizzyrea | der, lol, I'll look at the original |
15:01 | * wizzyrea | is having a third monday in a row |
15:08 | wizzyrea | http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org |
15:08 | ^.^ | |
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15:09 | owen | Right on |
15:10 | wizzyrea | I have a opac re-design percolating (the header/sidebar stuff) |
15:10 | an opac | |
15:10 | anyway, thanks owen | |
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15:23 | cait | hi all |
15:23 | jwagner | Hi cait |
15:24 | cait | hi jwagner |
15:24 | hi druthb :) | |
15:24 | druthb | hi, cait! :D |
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15:50 | owen | Hi cfouts |
15:54 | cfouts | howdy, owen |
15:54 | wizzyrea | cfouts! hey! |
15:54 | :D | |
15:56 | * owen | grumbles at the TMPL tangle of Bug 5048 |
15:56 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Error in bottom menu/submenu for select language in intranet |
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16:04 | cfouts | hi, wizzyrea. long time, no irc. |
16:04 | wizzyrea | too true :) |
16:06 | nengard | wait - i know that name :) hi cfouts!! |
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16:22 | * jwagner | grumbles at hardcoded URLs in OPAC text blocks instead of relative links |
16:25 | owen | ? |
16:27 | jwagner | Something someone did as a customization, that doesn't work when you transfer to a different server, sigh. |
16:28 | * owen | has been bitten by that bug |
16:28 | jwagner | Instead of hardcoding the full server URL for a predefined search, they just needed to start with /cgi/koha whatever |
16:28 | Took me a while to figure out why testing the links kept going back to the old server :-( | |
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16:33 | dritan | hello |
16:33 | is anybody here | |
16:34 | i have some questions | |
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16:38 | owen | Ask away dritan |
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16:45 | owen | The worst part of bug 5048 is that I should have caught it and fixed it before 3.0. |
16:45 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Error in bottom menu/submenu for select language in intranet |
16:45 | jwagner | It's a very crafty bug -- they're learning to hide in the dark corners, you know.... |
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16:47 | dritan | when i add new record. i desnt show in my library |
16:47 | opac and admin | |
16:47 | owen | dritan: What version of Koha, and are you using Zebra? |
16:47 | dritan | my koha version is 3.00.06 |
16:48 | yes im using | |
16:48 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
16:50 | owen | dritan: That link is for you :) |
16:51 | dritan | thanks |
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17:23 | jwagner | Drat, chris_n isn't online.... |
17:23 | wizzyrea | has anybody noted the fact that logged out patrons, if you hit the back button, it still shows your account inof |
17:23 | info* | |
17:23 | so say you're logged in, and you click log out | |
17:23 | owen | Yes, and gotten complaints about it |
17:24 | But I think the only solution is to use SSL | |
17:24 | wizzyrea | my people want to make it as secure as a bank site. |
17:24 | you're right, that probably is the only solution | |
17:24 | owen | Or train your patrons to close the browser when they log out |
17:24 | wizzyrea | yea, which is easier. |
17:26 | well i think we're going to have to look into ssl anyway, for the staff client | |
17:27 | we have libraries putting the SSN in our databases. O M G. | |
17:27 | kill me now. | |
17:27 | nengard | isn't that illegal??? |
17:27 | wizzyrea | I sure hope so |
17:27 | nengard | even health insurance companies can't use our SSN anymore |
17:27 | jwagner | wizzyrea, I had a major problem with a site I'm implementing now because the ONLY available data from the registrar was SSN and I flatly refused to load it. |
17:28 | nengard | which probably kept you out of jail :) hehe |
17:28 | wizzyrea | heh, they tell me that if the person gives it willingly it's not illegal to keep it |
17:28 | jwagner | I think any company that hosts client data would have a concern with that.... |
17:28 | wizzyrea | (our libraries use it to get lost items paid for) |
17:29 | yea, a hosting company should have a talk with any clients that do that | |
17:29 | (i"m against keeping that data, fwiw) | |
17:29 | * jwagner | pulls wizzyrea aside for a talk :-)\ |
17:29 | wizzyrea | don't talk to me |
17:29 | I'm on your side :P | |
17:29 | YOU'RE DOING WHAT??!!!?!?! | |
17:30 | jwagner | me? |
17:30 | or them? | |
17:30 | wizzyrea | lol no, that was my response to my people here |
17:31 | jwagner | Tell them it's a legal issue -- patrons are liable to sue the pants off them if there's ever a data breach. And with Koha using plaintext transmission, you can't guarantee security no matter where it's hosted. |
17:31 | wizzyrea | I did, they don't care. |
17:31 | jwagner | Haven't they heard of identity theft??? |
17:31 | wizzyrea | heh yea |
17:32 | nengard | couldn't they all sue the hosting provider?? |
17:33 | I would think it would put us at risk if our customers were entering SSNs | |
17:33 | collum | There's a small blurb from the ALA on this page. http://bit.ly/dwmwpA |
17:33 | in short "Libraries should ... investigate other methods of uniquely identifying patrons and tracing those who have outstanding fines or overdue materials." | |
17:34 | wizzyrea | ooh thanks for that link collum |
17:34 | nengard | and before that "use encryption to protect SSNs within patron databases," |
17:34 | wizzyrea | ok, dumb question of the day, because I don't know: can you use SSL with koha? and would it be hard to implement if it doesn't? |
17:35 | because well, that needs to be done | |
17:35 | sekjal | wizzyrea: we have SSL on a couple of our client's systems |
17:35 | but it's not as elegant an implementation as I'd like | |
17:35 | jwagner | wizzyrea, we've implemented that for clients too. It can be done. |
17:36 | owen | sekjal: Can you elaborate on your reservations? |
17:36 | wizzyrea | but it's not documented anywhere |
17:36 | cfouts | wizzyrea: https://nekls-staff.kohalibrary.com/ |
17:37 | wizzyrea | did you really just set that up cfouts? |
17:37 | lol or has it been there all along | |
17:37 | cfouts | it's been there all along |
17:37 | wizzyrea | lolol |
17:37 | :) thanks | |
17:37 | sekjal | owen: getting the staff client over SSL can be done pretty easily with koha-httpd.conf |
17:37 | cfouts | there are bugs in that some of the internal links Koha produces will send you back to the HTTP port |
17:38 | wizzyrea | aha |
17:38 | so it's not totally bullet proof, but better | |
17:38 | can the same be done for the OPAC logins? | |
17:38 | jwagner | We did a patch a while back to let enhanced content work with SSL |
17:38 | wizzyrea | probably tougher |
17:39 | sekjal | if you feed the entire OPAC over SSL, it's pretty simple. but you don't necessarily want to do that just for the casual searcher who will never log in |
17:46 | rhcl_lurk | I understand that for "a while" drivers in Missouri were able to select to use their SSN as their drivers license number. |
17:47 | We don't keep SSN's specifically in our DB, but in those cases where the SSN is the driver's license number those may be in our DB. | |
18:19 | jwagner | Found a new/old bug, for your viewing pleasure :-) Bug 5051 |
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18:19 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab |
18:20 | owen | why new/old? |
18:22 | jwagner | Because I tested it on an old system as well as current head -- same problem both places. So it's been around a while, but it looks like no one has spotted it. At least I didn't find anything relevant searching bugzilla |
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18:47 | zico | hello all |
18:47 | I want to enable email system in my Koha-3.0.5 for overdue notice and email | |
18:47 | to users | |
18:47 | what do you suggest me to use? Sendmail? or Qmail or anything other?? | |
18:48 | sekjal | zico: I'm fond of postfix |
18:49 | zico | sekjai: do you have any documentation on setup postfix in Koha? |
18:49 | it will be really helpful for me | |
18:51 | sekjal | nothing written up, no, but I'm working on that |
18:51 | it's pretty straight-forward | |
18:51 | are you on debian? | |
18:51 | zico | yep debian 5.0 release 0 |
18:52 | sekjal | sudo apt-get install postfix will get it for you, and then you'd just need to remove sendmail (if it's installed), and the config will make postfix your default MTA |
18:53 | zico | sekjal: do I need to manually configure any configuration file of postfix? |
18:53 | sekjal | there is the main.cf file which you may need to adjust to match your local system and network settings, but usually the defaults are pretty good |
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18:54 | zico | sekjal: ok thanks. After that how can I check that if my Koha server is sending email or not? |
18:55 | chris | morning |
18:55 | cait | morning chris |
18:58 | sekjal | zico: from the command line, you can send yourself an email with mail -s "Test" youremail.tld. Type a message, Ctl-D to continue |
18:59 | zico | ok... :) lemme check |
18:59 | Thanks in advance sekjal | |
19:00 | sekjal | zico: here's hoping it all goes smoothly for you |
19:00 | zico | :) |
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19:07 | CGI415 | hi |
19:08 | a have a problem with koha 3.00.06 | |
19:08 | i add a new record but it doesnt show in my catalog | |
19:08 | whrn i search | |
19:09 | *when | |
19:09 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
19:10 | CGI415 | i saw this tutorial but nothing happen |
19:11 | on ubuntu.install | |
19:11 | tutorial a have choose the second option to install zebra deamon | |
19:14 | and i was on root user not on koha user when i run the zebra procesis | |
19:14 | *processes | |
19:14 | zico | CGI415: what server are you using? |
19:14 | CGI415 | koha |
19:14 | zico | that`s for sure |
19:15 | but.. .what is your machine? I mean..which OS? | |
19:15 | CGI415 | ubuntu |
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19:15 | CGI415 | 10.04 |
19:15 | zico | which version? |
19:15 | briceSanc | hello |
19:15 | zico | CGI415: can you please specify your hardware? |
19:16 | CGI415 | dell |
19:16 | briceSanc | i have this error when i want to rebuild zebra : zebraidx(13760) [warn] Index 'any' not found in attset(s) |
19:16 | CGI415 | computer |
19:16 | briceSanc | how fix it ? |
19:16 | zico | CGI415: Dell which version? |
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19:17 | CGI415 | intel pentium 4 |
19:17 | zico | I mean... brand name |
19:17 | there are some problem with some Dell computers | |
19:17 | which Dell? | |
19:18 | ok... Altu shona...which Dell? :D | |
19:19 | jcamins_a | briceSanc: check that your KOHA_CONF variable is set. |
19:19 | CGI415 | dell i dont know exactly |
19:19 | i s old | |
19:19 | horizontal orientation | |
19:20 | 40 gb hdd | |
19:20 | 2.4 procesor | |
19:20 | briceSanc | yes KOHA_CONF is set |
19:21 | jcamins_a | briceSanc: are there any problems with searches? |
19:21 | briceSanc | it's a fresh install of Koha 3.02 |
19:21 | jcamins_a | I think we always got that warning, too, and our searches worked fine. |
19:21 | briceSanc | there's nothing in zebra |
19:22 | i just import authorities | |
19:22 | jcamins_a | Maybe try creating a record, reindexing, and searching for it? |
19:22 | briceSanc | i will try it now |
19:23 | CGI415 | when i try |
19:23 | rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r | |
19:23 | is unknown command | |
19:24 | jcamins_a | CGI415: you need to provide the complete path to rebuild_zebra.pl. |
19:24 | I don't actually have access to any Koha installations, though, so I can't really advise beyond that. | |
19:27 | briceSanc | erf... always the same problem with zebraidx(13760) [warn] Index 'any' not found in attset(s) |
19:27 | jcamins_a | And when you try a search in the OPAC, nothing shows up? |
19:27 | jwagner | briceSanc, it sounds like something might be screwed up in one of the indexing config files. This is a clean, fresh install? |
19:27 | briceSanc | yes |
19:28 | yes for clean, fresh install | |
19:28 | and yes for OPAC | |
19:29 | i check the config file | |
19:29 | jcamins_a | Hm. |
19:38 | CGI415 | how to install the c4/context |
19:39 | briceSanc | it doesn't works |
19:40 | jcamins_a | CGI415: you need to make sure PERL5LIB is set correctly. |
19:40 | wizzyrea | doh I was just typing that! |
19:40 | chris | cfouts: i dont think ive said congratulations on the kiddo yet, so here it is :-) in a few years we'll have enough kids for #koha cricket team :-) |
19:40 | jcamins_a | briceSanc: I think this may have come up on the mailing list... did you check the archives? I'm out of ideas. :( |
19:40 | wizzyrea | ^^ that would be so silly fun |
19:41 | cfouts | chris: thanks so much! it's mind-blowing and wonderful. |
19:41 | despite my ancestry, I appear to be incapable of understanding cricket, however. | |
19:41 | wizzyrea | hehehe |
19:41 | owen | The great thing about a bunch of koha kids running around playing cricket is that I would have no idea whether they were doing it right |
19:41 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
19:42 | jcamins_a | My parents' philosophy was always "if the kids are running around playing, they're doing *something* right." |
19:42 | chris | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHEDY3lrAY |
19:42 | football then :) | |
19:42 | wizzyrea | is there a "cricket for dummies" |
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19:42 | wizzyrea | because that's what I need. |
19:42 | chris | im sure there is |
19:43 | DRUlm | Hello all. |
19:43 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: 0470034548 |
19:43 | DRUlm | What is the news? |
19:43 | CGI415 | c4/context isnt installù |
19:44 | DRUlm | Shoe Horn |
19:44 | CGI415 | i try to rebuilt zebra |
19:44 | DRUlm | Debian? |
19:44 | CGI415 | it says cant locate c4 /context |
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19:45 | * chris | goes to catch his bus back soon |
19:46 | wizzyrea | CGI415: http://koha-community.org/docu[…]faq/searching/#18 |
19:47 | you need to define your environment variables | |
19:47 | for your koha user | |
19:47 | you do that with export PERL5LIB=/path/to/koha | |
19:47 | and export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml | |
19:47 | where /path/to/koha is the path to your koha install | |
19:48 | and your path to your koha-conf.xml | |
19:48 | DRUlm | no news is good news, eh? :) |
19:49 | jcamins_a | Well, it's not really news, but if anyone was wondering, I can confirm that Koha is a great option for cataloging private antiquarian book collections. |
19:49 | wizzyrea | sweeet |
19:49 | DRUlm | Alright! |
19:50 | jcamins_a | Although I guess I should file bugs for the missing MARC21 subfields I've come across. |
19:50 | owen | Huh... patron photos in patron search results. Why didn't I think of that? |
19:51 | jcamins_a | You don't check books out to patrons with similar names all the time? |
19:53 | owen | My library doesn't do patron photos, so I guess that's why. |
19:55 | chris | Back |
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19:57 | chris | Hi alan |
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20:09 | owen | Bug 5020 |
20:09 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5020 trivial, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, on patron record sex should be gender |
20:09 | owen | What's the matter with "sex?" |
20:10 | nengard | wizzyrea when you get a chance can you pull the manual from git again - i added yet another appendix :) |
20:10 | jcamins_a | "sex" is binary. |
20:10 | nengard | owen every library i train says it should be sex |
20:10 | i mean gender ;) hehe | |
20:10 | jcamins_a | "gender" isn't. |
20:11 | wizzyrea | k i will |
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20:18 | * collum | throws in his 2 cents before he goes home. sex = male/female gender = masculine/feminine. I vote sex. |
20:18 | wizzyrea | mm, I think, at least in publics |
20:19 | you're better off going with gender | |
20:19 | jcamins_a | collum: but gender can also include "other." |
20:19 | wizzyrea | because a person you are presented with, may be one sex, but presenting as a different gender |
20:19 | and how would you classify that person in the binary of "male/female" | |
20:20 | going with what you see is inaccurate at best | |
20:20 | collum | Isn't there an option in koha not to choose male/female? |
20:20 | jcamins_a | There are actual terms that fall under "other," but I've forgotten what the correct way to express "transgendered, presenting as feminine," etc. |
20:20 | Yes. | |
20:21 | chris | Ira tangata |
20:21 | Problem solved | |
20:21 | wizzyrea | I think the question is how best to label the field |
20:21 | collum | yep |
20:21 | jcamins_a | I would vote for gender. |
20:21 | wizzyrea | and it can always be changed using jquery if you don't like |
20:21 | it | |
20:21 | I would vote for gender too | |
20:22 | chris | Or better wizzy |
20:22 | nengard | obvious i'm for 'gender' |
20:22 | chris | Translations |
20:22 | wizzyrea | also that |
20:22 | chris | That's how I fix all your crazy words |
20:22 | * wizzyrea | would rather not do a whole translation for a teeny lil change like that |
20:23 | wizzyrea | but I do see your point |
20:23 | holds vs. reserves, for example? Catalogue vs. catalog? | |
20:23 | ;) | |
20:23 | chris | Yes |
20:24 | Check in vs return | |
20:24 | wizzyrea | check out vs. issue |
20:24 | chris | There's a few |
20:24 | Zip code | |
20:24 | wizzyrea | alphabetise |
20:24 | chris | We don't got them |
20:24 | Post codes here | |
20:25 | wizzyrea | aha |
20:25 | * collum | is now wondering where 'zip' came from. |
20:25 | wizzyrea | zip stands for "Zoning Improvement Plan" |
20:26 | collum | Ah. Thanks wizzyrea. |
20:26 | wizzyrea | it's kind of an interesting story |
20:26 | http://inventors.about.com/od/[…]ons/a/zipcode.htm | |
20:26 | if you need some reading material in the final moments of your day | |
20:26 | chris | Right bus stop, then off to a client |
20:27 | wizzyrea | gl |
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20:27 | chris | Bbl |
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20:34 | richard | hi |
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22:51 | brendan | afternoon #koha |
22:51 | @wunder 93117 | |
22:51 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 24.6�C (3:54 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling). |
22:52 | brendan | @wunder baker ca |
22:52 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Daggett-Barstow, California is 42.0�C (3:31 PM PDT on July 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 4%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). |
22:52 | brendan | 42 now that's hot! |
22:53 | robin | I'm not sure if I would prefer that, or this: |
22:53 | @winder wellington, nz | |
22:53 | munin | robin: Error: "winder" is not a valid command. |
22:53 | robin | @wunder wellington, nz |
22:53 | munin | robin: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on July 22, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
23:04 | brendan | I'd go for the 10 !!! not the 42 |
23:05 | robin | yeah. I think I have to agree with that. |
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23:45 | chris | back |
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