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| 00:24 | robin | oh wait...not using a multithreading apache certainly helps, too. |
| 00:49 | the checkauth function is ~400 lines long :( | |
| 00:50 | chris | its all do with the granular preferences and stuff eh? |
| 00:50 | robin | I'm not sure. |
| 00:51 | The loading the name from basic auth doesn't actually set up the user in the session, so other things blow up. I'm trying to work out how to deal with that. | |
| 00:51 | chris | ah |
| 00:56 | gmcharlt | chris: robin: no, its 400 lines because of code bloat and insufficient functional separation |
| 00:56 | the granular permissions stuff per se is only about 25 of those lines ;) | |
| 00:56 | robin | gmcharlt: yes, that's correct :) |
| 00:57 | I'm going to be doing a little refactoring of it in order to make this work. | |
| 00:57 | but first, I'm doing some reformatting just so I can tell where blocks start and end. | |
| 00:59 | chris_n | refactoring++ |
| 01:04 | gmcharlt | test_cases++ |
| 01:05 | chris | :) |
| 01:07 | chris_n | :P |
| 01:13 | robin | well, now the function is no more well designed, but the indentation is correct and the bracketing style is consistent. So that's a start. |
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| 01:18 | * chris_n | grumbles at his docbook editor |
| 01:23 | chris_n | the sorry thing crashed |
| 01:23 | Brendan | Hi chris_n |
| 01:23 | chris_n | howdy Brendan |
| 01:23 | how's DC? | |
| 01:24 | Brendan | Hot man |
| 01:24 | chris_n | hehe |
| 01:24 | Brendan | Can't believe how much being outside suxs right now |
| 01:24 | chris_n | yeah, its not CA |
| 01:25 | @wunder 28334 | |
| 01:25 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 25.2�C (9:31 PM EDT on June 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 998.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 01:25 | chris | humid and hot Brendan ? |
| 01:25 | chris_n | @wunder 22727 |
| 01:26 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Madison Cnty; 3 miles NE Haywood, Haywood, Virginia is 23.9�C (9:30 PM EDT on June 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising). |
| 01:26 | chris_n | ouch |
| 01:26 | Brendan | Yup |
| 01:26 | chris_n | raining? |
| 01:27 | Brendan | Well im wet enough for it to seem like rain |
| 01:27 | chris | yuck |
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| 02:23 | chris_n | g'night |
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| 03:08 | Amit | heya chris |
| 03:08 | morning #koha | |
| 04:04 | robin | what is that _session_log gunk in C4::Auth doing there? It looks like it should be removed. |
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| 04:12 | Mehwish | Hello All! |
| 04:13 | I want to ask is it necessary for every item to have a barcode? | |
| 04:13 | cannot we issue / checkout a book without barcode information? | |
| 04:14 | Is there any way to issue/checkout a book that do not have barcode? | |
| 04:15 | Is there any setting in Administration that enable me to checkout books without barcode information? | |
| 04:17 | robin | Mehwish: a barcode isn't necessary, but some way of uniquely identifying each item is certainly useful, even if it's a number you type in by hand. |
| 04:17 | A barcode just makes that process easier. | |
| 04:17 | Mehwish | OK we have entered more than 2000 records.. |
| 04:18 | almost all without barcode. | |
| 04:18 | Now how can a librarian checkout those books? | |
| 04:19 | as entering barcode seems to me the only option for checkout. | |
| 04:19 | can they browse books select book and then checkout that book to a patron? | |
| 04:20 | I cannot see any option other than entering barcode? | |
| 04:21 | robin | Hmm, you're right. I haven't played with that part of the system much. |
| 04:21 | I'm not aware of an option to change that, but it may be possible. I expect that almost everyone uses barcodes of some sort. | |
| 04:21 | Mehwish | now do we have to enter all 2000 records again??? |
| 04:22 | we cannot afford that.. | |
| 04:22 | robin | No, I think that at the worst you'd just have to attach barcodes to them, all the information is going to remain the same so won't need to be entered. |
| 04:23 | Mehwish | means we need to edit all record again and enter barcod for each by hand? |
| 04:25 | robin | Yeah, I think so. I had a quick look and can't see an option to turn the checkout barcode box into a search box. |
| 04:27 | Mehwish | OK Thanks but that is very expensive solution I think. |
| 04:28 | robin | someone else may have a better idea, but I'm not aware of one. Lurk around here or perhaps ask on the mailing list, someone may be able to help. |
| 04:28 | wasabi | Mehwish: its only a small perl-script to mod your items to have a unique value in the barcode field |
| 04:29 | robin | Mehwish: oh yeah, you can give them a barcode value now, but only attach the code to the book when you have to handle it. |
| 04:29 | that way it's not significantly slower. | |
| 04:30 | Mehwish | Sorry I am not getting.. |
| 04:31 | robin | Give each item in koha a barcode value. Pre-print sheets containing all the barcodes for all the books. When someone brings up a book with no barcode, look it up, find the barcode in the sheet, and attach it to the book. |
| 04:31 | Mehwish | are u saying that I can run a query to give them barcode and then print out barcode list then attached a small chit |
| 04:31 | robin | It won't be fast, but with 2,000 items, it'll be over quick. |
| 04:31 | basically, yeah | |
| 04:32 | Mehwish | hmm.. It seems some reasonable solution. |
| 04:32 | robin | at least you're spreading the hard work out over a longer time :) |
| 04:32 | Mehwish | Thanks |
| 04:32 | wasabi | http://paste.koha-community.org/12 |
| 04:32 | Mehwish: that will do it.. | |
| 04:34 | Mehwish | U mean I add this code in file kk.pl? |
| 04:34 | wasabi | something like that .... |
| 04:34 | Mehwish | hmm. |
| 04:34 | robin | Mehwish: just from the line that starts '#!/usr/bin/perl' |
| 04:35 | Mehwish | OK I am trying that. |
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| 04:58 | robin | chris: you aroung? |
| 04:58 | -g+d | |
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| 05:03 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 06:24 | chris | am now robin, but i suspect you have headed home |
| 06:24 | robin | chris: not quite :) any idea why my local dev install would be trying to fetch assets from library.,org.nz? |
| 06:25 | chris | it'll be the css in the systempreferences |
| 06:25 | take a look in the opac tab | |
| 06:26 | and remove the opacmaincss in think it is | |
| 06:27 | robin | chris: seems to be coming from colors.css ... perhaps you committed to the wrong branch at some point? |
| 06:27 | chris | could be, are you running master? |
| 06:27 | robin | clientwork |
| 06:28 | chris | right, id just remove the code in sysprefs to use colors.css |
| 06:28 | robin | OK |
| 06:28 | chris | most installs dont use that |
| 06:28 | and we shoudl git rm it | |
| 06:29 | robin | hmm. It's still trying to use it. |
| 06:29 | * robin | flushes caches |
| 06:29 | chris | weird |
| 06:30 | robin | oh. It's also pulling in home_colors.css |
| 06:30 | I don't know where from though | |
| 06:31 | chris | ahhh thats definitely a bug that should only be in hlt |
| 06:31 | its opac-main.pl | |
| 06:31 | robin | OK cool. deleting that made a difference. |
| 06:31 | * chris | will bbiab kids to bed |
| 06:31 | robin | kk |
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| 07:20 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:20 | kf is now known as kf_meetin | |
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| 08:04 | Ropuch | Morning #koka |
| 08:04 | uh | |
| 08:04 | s/koka/koha | |
| 08:04 | ;> | |
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| 08:19 | chris | Ropuch: koka means aunt, or foster mother, or sometimes mother in maori :) |
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| 08:24 | Ropuch | Not that bad, in polsih 'koka' is short version of cocaine |
| 08:24 | Hello chris [; | |
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| 08:25 | chris | hi Ropuch :) |
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| 10:46 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 10:46 | @wunder 28334 | |
| 10:46 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 23.3�C (6:53 AM EDT on June 28, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.47 in 997.9 hPa (Steady). |
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| 11:03 | Genji | HIYA ALL |
| 11:04 | okay, can i use GetMarcItem to create a simple marc record i can add to marcxml, without going through a template? | |
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| 11:46 | druthb | howdy, #koha! |
| 11:51 | sekjal | hi, druthb! |
| 11:52 | druthb | sekjal, it was nice meeting you on the exhibit floor on Saturday. :) |
| 11:52 | sekjal | druthb: likewise |
| 12:08 | time to head out to the conference! hope to be back on soon. | |
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| 12:09 | druthb | Hi, owen! |
| 12:09 | owen | Hi druthb! |
| 12:10 | * owen | is jealous of his virtual friends meeting in meatspace |
| 12:10 | druthb | hee hee. Shoulda snuck off to ALA. :) |
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| 12:11 | owen | I'd have had to sneak some money to pay for a non-member ticket too |
| 12:11 | druthb | well, yah. |
| 12:11 | owen | Non-members have to wear a special beanie too don't they? |
| 12:12 | druthb | yep. for librarians, it's a beanie with a little book on top; for us geeks, it has a propeller. |
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| 12:35 | owen | Hi nengard |
| 12:36 | nengard | hiya |
| 12:36 | druthb | ssshh...owen, we gotta quit talking about her now; she's here! |
| 12:36 | nengard | grrr |
| 12:36 | found me a free wifi in the exhibit floor!! | |
| 12:36 | chris_n around? | |
| 12:36 | druthb | w00t! |
| 12:40 | * druthb | hands nengard a Sharpie. |
| 12:43 | nengard | .... i'm not sure why... |
| 12:44 | druthb why do i need a sharpie? | |
| 12:44 | druthb | I suggest writing on his forehead, since he's not here. |
| 12:45 | * druthb | may do that to gmcharlt shortly--plenty of room there. |
| 12:46 | nengard | oooo |
| 12:46 | druthb | See? I don't *just* pick on you. You just got an extra dose since we were in-person, and it was your birthday. |
| 12:47 | nengard | ah - so birthday girls get picked on??? that's not what I was told :) |
| 12:48 | druthb | birthday girls get it *extra*; |
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| 12:51 | owen | Oh, nengard I owe you a happy birthday! Happy birthday! Belatedly :) |
| 12:51 | nengard | thank you :) |
| 12:51 | had me a birthday s'more last night: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/4740747022/ | |
| 12:52 | well I shared it with 2 others - but still | |
| 12:52 | hdl | happy birthday nengard |
| 12:52 | nengard | thanks |
| 12:53 | * collum | finds yesterdays' Dilbert especially funny. http://bit.ly/at6PMu |
| 12:53 | collum | Happy Birthday nengard |
| 12:55 | * druthb | agrees with collum. |
| 12:56 | druthb | thanks for sharing the birthday muffin with me, nengard. It was tasty. |
| 12:56 | nengard | no prob!! |
| 13:01 | owen | I wonder if anyone is working on Bug 4438? |
| 13:01 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4438 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, incorrect "Budget total exceeds period allocation" error when editing fund |
| 13:06 | chris_n | heya nengard, happy birthday |
| 13:06 | nengard | thanks |
| 13:11 | jcamins | Happy birthday, nengard, and hello, #koha |
| 13:12 | nengard | thanks |
| 13:13 | * druthb | takes the Sharpie from nengard, and hides it. noooooo, chris_n, neither of us had *anything* to do with the writing on your forehead...nope. |
| 13:14 | owen | Why does a fund show up as locked on the budget planning page? |
| 13:14 | I see: $budget_lock = 1 if $borrower_id != $budget->{'budget_owner_id'}; | |
| 13:14 | ...but I'm the budget owner | |
| 13:14 | I see: $budget_lock = 1 if $borrower_branchcode ne $budget->{budget_branchcode}; | |
| 13:15 | I wonder if that means a budget with no branch specified is always locked? | |
| 13:15 | druthb | Probably, yeah, unless a borrower had no branchcode, also. |
| 13:16 | * chris_n | concurs |
| 13:16 | chris_n | with the budget question that is |
| 13:17 | druthb | @eightball Catch up, maybe? |
| 13:17 | munin | druthb: About as likely as pigs flying. |
| 13:17 | druthb | That's what I thought. |
| 13:17 | * druthb | gets out the pig-a-pult. |
| 13:19 | owen | The problem was all my funds were locked at the budget level by a lock on the budget |
| 13:21 | Hmmm... A different indicator for "Locked" based on the reason for the lock? | |
| 13:22 | * chris_n | finds that most of his funds are locked at all levels regardless of how hard he tries to access them ;-) |
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| 13:26 | chris_n | bbl |
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| 13:31 | * druthb | waves to sekjal |
| 13:31 | * sekjal | waves back to druthb |
| 13:32 | sekjal | getting myself warmed up for the KUDOS meeting in a little less than 2 hours |
| 13:32 | druthb | I have a slightly-used set of body armor, sekjal, just in case you need to borrow it. |
| 13:33 | sekjal | I'm more worried about the peace being kept in the session afterwards |
| 13:33 | Open Source: Free Beer, or Free Puppy? | |
| 13:33 | oh, and there's a puppy now! | |
| 13:33 | * druthb | is glad she's not at that one. |
| 13:34 | sekjal | wondering if it'll be as fiery as it looks stacked to be: Marshall Breeding, Karen Schneider and Stephen Abram, with Roy Tennant moderating |
| 13:35 | druthb | Sounds like a planned hypergolic mixture. |
| 13:36 | sekjal | hope I have wifi this afternoon; would be nice to tweet on a larger keyboard |
| 13:36 | * druthb | thinks right off the bat you're in for a wild session--when the title is a false dichotomy... |
| 13:37 | sekjal | I think that's what the planners are hoping |
| 13:37 | owen | Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk. |
| 13:37 | druthb | maybe we oughta take lessons in Evil from the conference planners. That takes some talent. |
| 13:37 | sekjal | mwahahahaa! |
| 13:37 | I've already got the laugh down | |
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| 13:38 | druthb | @quote add <owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk. |
| 13:38 | munin | druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 13:38 | sekjal | and when I get really stressed out my left eyebrow turns partially white |
| 13:39 | jcamins | Where did the free puppy come from? Wasn't it a free kitten six months ago? |
| 13:39 | druthb | @quote add <owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk. |
| 13:39 | munin | druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #81 added. |
| 13:40 | druthb | @quote random |
| 13:40 | munin | druthb: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 09:55 PM, June 11, 2009) |
| 13:41 | druthb | @quote random |
| 13:41 | munin | druthb: Quote #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made it my aim in life not to learn js or html" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009) |
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| 14:08 | kf | hi all |
| 14:08 | kmkale | hi all good evening |
| 14:10 | tomascohe | hi all, 'im having a weird error message can't figure out where to start looking |
| 14:10 | [error] search.pl: /usr/share/koha_ffyh/intranet/cgi-bin/cae/koha_ffyh/lib/C4/XSLT.pm line 168., referer: http://ffyh.biblioadmin.unc.edu.ar/ | |
| 14:11 | it happens in addbooks.pl too | |
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| 14:12 | druthb | hi, kmkale and kf! |
| 14:12 | kmkale | hey druthb |
| 14:12 | owen | tomascohe: Are there any more related errors? |
| 14:13 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 14:13 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 29.0�C (4:00 PM CEST on June 28, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:13 | tomascohe | nope |
| 14:13 | it looks like its only a warn sentence in XSLT.pm | |
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| 14:14 | tomascohe | if we're not using an URL for the xsl file, the code triggers "warn getCwd"; |
| 14:17 | owen | hdl, do you have any advice for tomascohe ? |
| 14:19 | gmcharlt around? | |
| 14:19 | hdl | owen: I am here. |
| 14:19 | owen | Hi hdl, tomascohe has a question about XSLT.pm which I think relates to a change you made |
| 14:20 | hdl | tomascohe: which version are you using. |
| 14:20 | On community/master I donot see any warn getCwd issued | |
| 14:21 | owen: the changes I proposed were not pushed iirc. | |
| 14:21 | * owen | saw it in 3.0.x on gitweb |
| 14:23 | hdl | on 3.0.x yes. |
| 14:23 | But not on master | |
| 14:25 | tomascohe: this is an unconditional warn. | |
| 14:26 | on line 168 of C4/XSLT.pm | |
| 14:26 | can be safely removed | |
| 14:29 | tomascohe | hdl: 3.0.6 |
| 14:30 | hdl | Saw that. |
| 14:30 | owen | It's too bad Bugzilla can't track when a patch has been pushed |
| 14:30 | tomascohe | it looks safe to remove |
| 14:31 | but i'd like to know if it would be better that we don't get into that code every time | |
| 14:31 | don't we have the xslt parameter in a variable? | |
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| 14:32 | hdl | tomascohe: you can set all XSLT variables to '' and you won't use XSLTs |
| 14:33 | kf | owen: perhaps you could make git send an email to bugzilla? |
| 14:33 | owen | kf: I'm not sure how we'd indicate it in Bugzilla.... another priority setting for "patch-pushed?" |
| 14:35 | kf | perhaps just an update like galen does now: patch pushed, plz test and close |
| 14:35 | tomascohe | hdl: of course, what i meant is that every time an xsl file is requested we do a lot of parsing on |
| 14:35 | the xsl filename | |
| 14:35 | hdl | owen: git-bz can help you ;) |
| 14:36 | kf | owen: not sure git can send emails, but it would perhaps makes things a bit easier, needs a correct bug number in submit messages |
| 14:37 | tomascohe | which at first sight, cuold be in (some way) in C4::Context |
| 14:46 | sekjal | kf: there is git send-email as a function, and you can also add hooks to run arbitrary scripts before or after certain events, like commits |
| 14:47 | and with that, time to get ready for KUDOS. Hope to have connection so I can report the proceedings. Cheers! | |
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| 14:47 | kf | sekjal: cool |
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| 14:52 | hdl | tomascohe: you can set all XSLT variables to '' and you won't use XSLTs |
| 14:53 | kf | bye all, bbl |
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| 14:54 | tomascohe | hdl: i watn to use xslt's, just saying the code looks inneficient, with a los of innecesary i/o for just showing results or biblios |
| 14:56 | hdl | tomascohe: the parser is stored in a HASH. So parsing XSLT should be done only for the first result |
| 15:00 | tomascohe | hdl: ok, if i leave the 'warn' i see an error message for each search i do |
| 15:01 | i'll look at it and if i find something interesting will come back with this | |
| 15:01 | thank | |
| 15:01 | s | |
| 15:03 | hdl | tomascohe: you're welcome. |
| 15:03 | tomascohe: I will remove the warning. | |
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| 15:10 | * druthb | velcroes sekjal down |
| 15:23 | nengard | sekjal is at the Kudos meeting now |
| 15:24 | sekjal | yup, free wifi here, so I'm on my full keyboard |
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| 15:38 | gmcharlt | good afternoon |
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| 15:40 | druthb | Hi, gmcharlt and cait! :) |
| 15:40 | gmcharlt | hi druthb :) |
| 15:40 | cait | hi #koha and druthb :) |
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| 15:42 | owen | sekjal: Say hi to Kudos for me |
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| 15:49 | sekjal | owen: sure thing |
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| 16:11 | cait | owen++ |
| 16:13 | chris_n | owen gets the "kitten of the day" award (so far) :) |
| 16:15 | owen | Thanks. Lots of "patch sent" bug reports needing follow-up! |
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| 16:23 | owen | How can I find information in git about a file that has been removed? |
| 16:27 | collum | owen: git ls-files -d |
| 16:28 | According to http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]git-ls-files.html | |
| 16:28 | druthb | collum++ |
| 16:28 | @karma collum | |
| 16:28 | munin | druthb: Karma for "collum" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
| 16:29 | druthb | @karma |
| 16:29 | munin | druthb: Highest karma: "chris" (149), "gmcharlt" (149), and "owen" (117). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25). |
| 16:31 | owen | I get no output from that at all. Does that only work with files removed from your branch? |
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| 16:39 | chris_n | owen: I'd bet so |
| 16:39 | * owen | wonders why 'git status' wouldn't suffice... Perhaps he manages too few files in one go |
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| 16:43 | * collum | is looking at git commands and is amazed by the number of commands |
| 16:52 | owen | There are unfixed issues in the RFC comments, but I'm tempted to mark Bug 3929 as fixed since the basics are in place |
| 16:52 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3929 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, parameters in guided reports |
| 16:52 | owen | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]uided_reports_RFC |
| 16:55 | owen is now known as owen-away | |
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| 17:05 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 17:05 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 09:14 AM, September 01, 2009) |
| 17:05 | chris_n | lol |
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| 17:11 | sekjal | KUDOS meeting wrapped and tweeted. On to the Ultimate Debate (with leftover food) |
| 17:12 | may lose WiFi for a couple minutes... | |
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| 17:47 | sekjal | twitter has crunched down on search results for the conference IP... ugh |
| 17:52 | owen-away | sekjal: PTFS is considering turning over koha.org to KUDOS? |
| 17:52 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
| 17:55 | sekjal | owen: it was talked about at KUDOS, yes |
| 17:55 | chris | looks like a slap in the face to HLT and the people who voted for hlt to hold community property to me |
| 17:55 | * owen | agrees |
| 17:55 | owen | No to mention a slap in the face of every non-US Koha enthusiast |
| 17:56 | sekjal | having koha.org in the hands of a non-profit users group would be better than nothing, but it should point to the world site. period |
| 17:56 | KUDOS needs a website. kudos.org is available.... but some folks want to leverage the SEO of koha.org, rather than letting it rot | |
| 17:57 | chris | i can only see that as driving a wedge into the community |
| 17:57 | unless yes it was pointed to the world site | |
| 17:57 | sekjal | agreed |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | well |
| 17:59 | chris | if the domain was in control of the community, kudos.koha-community.org and kudos.koha.org could both work, and point to kudos.org |
| 17:59 | kudos.koha-community.org can work right now if desired | |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | if they turned it over to kudos, kudos could turn it over to koha-community :P |
| 18:00 | sekjal | no promises could be made about such a turnover, whether KUDOS would 'own' koha.org' outright, or if PTFS would retain control, and give license to KUDOS to maintain the site |
| 18:00 | owen | "Could." |
| 18:00 | tomascohe | has anyone seen sthing like this? http://ffyh2.biblioadmin.unc.e[…]arch.pl?q=journal |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea | ah, that requires a login |
| 18:01 | tomascohe | oops |
| 18:02 | sekjal | KUDOS is not Koha. koha.org should not be the KUDOS site. that's what links are for |
| 18:02 | chris | im with you |
| 18:02 | sekjal | there, I've definitely stated my position |
| 18:02 | chris | :) |
| 18:02 | sekjal | for whatever it's worth |
| 18:03 | tomascohe | wizzyrea: my mistake, here goes http://ffyh2.biblio.unc.edu.ar[…]arch.pl?q=journal |
| 18:04 | chris | doesnt work for me tomascohe |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | me either :( |
| 18:04 | owen | "production mode - trapped fatal error" Is that the point? |
| 18:04 | I've seen that error many times | |
| 18:04 | chris | i get a dns one |
| 18:05 | tomascohe | i'm trying to show an error |
| 18:05 | wizzyrea | I get a DNS one as well |
| 18:05 | tomascohe | if you search borges everything works fine |
| 18:05 | its just some words | |
| 18:06 | philosophy, journal, etc | |
| 18:06 | please try this opac instead, its the same problem | |
| 18:06 | http://ffyh.biblio.unc.edu.ar | |
| 18:07 | chris | what does the apache error log tell you? |
| 18:07 | tomascohe | opac-search.pl: Wide character in subroutine entry at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96 |
| 18:07 | chris | looks like the record has some bad characters in it |
| 18:08 | tomascohe | the problem (in my side) is that it is not refereed to A record |
| 18:08 | its a problem with a generic zebra search | |
| 18:08 | owen | Perhaps a problem with the XSLT parsing of the search results? |
| 18:08 | tomascohe | should i look for coding problems in ALL the records? |
| 18:09 | chris | well its not all, as borges works |
| 18:09 | but its definitely som | |
| 18:09 | e | |
| 18:09 | owen | One bad record throwing off the parsing of the XML in the result set? |
| 18:09 | chris | at least one record in the search results will break it |
| 18:09 | yeah | |
| 18:09 | tomascohe: do you have display results using XSLT turned on? | |
| 18:10 | tomascohe | yes, i'm turning it off |
| 18:10 | chris | yeah try that, it might help us spot the bad record |
| 18:10 | tomascohe | you where right, it worked |
| 18:11 | should ? look for the problem in the first results list records? | |
| 18:12 | chris | i think so |
| 18:13 | we should also fix it so a bad record doesnt kill everything | |
| 18:13 | tomascohe | thanks, i'll try to figure how to check it algorithmically in the databse |
| 18:13 | chris | cos thats just lame |
| 18:13 | tomascohe: you could export the marc | |
| 18:13 | tomascohe | chris: thats a good idea |
| 18:14 | chris | then run marcdump or marclint on it |
| 18:14 | * owen | recalls ranting about that recently |
| 18:14 | chris | might help you find it |
| 18:14 | tomascohe | thanks again |
| 18:14 | chris | no problem |
| 18:14 | good luck finding it | |
| 18:14 | owen: is there a bug on it do you know? | |
| 18:15 | this early morning help is brought to by chris' stomach bug | |
| 18:15 | owen | :( |
| 18:16 | chris | getting better i thnk, i feel better than yesterday, not 100% yet tho |
| 18:16 | owen | Nothing relevant to the general issue turns up in a search of Bugzilla for "trapped" |
| 18:16 | sekjal | out of battery. chris, feel even better, #koha, take care! hope to be back on soon |
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| 18:16 | chris | definitely something we want to fix in future |
| 18:16 | we should skip the record in the opac | |
| 18:17 | and do a big red warning in the staff side | |
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| 18:17 | chris | imho |
| 18:17 | cait | get well chris |
| 18:17 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 18:17 | agreed | |
| 18:19 | owen | "the general issue" I refer to is the fact that if debug level is 0 you get a blank page with "production mode - trapped fatal error" |
| 18:20 | Why does such an error not trigger a page like we get for a 404 or 500 error? | |
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| 18:22 | chris | yeah |
| 18:23 | but i think that a 500 is bad in that case too | |
| 18:23 | we shouldnt explode cos one record is bad | |
| 18:23 | we should show the other 19 | |
| 18:23 | and warn the librarian one is bad | |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | so one bad character in one bad field causes it to puke? |
| 18:24 | this comes from the index? | |
| 18:24 | (I'm still trying to understand) | |
| 18:24 | chris | its from parsing the xml using xslt |
| 18:24 | in this case | |
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| 18:45 | owen | chris, can you elaborate on "run marcdump or marclint on it?" |
| 18:46 | chris | if you export the marc |
| 18:46 | then run marcdump on it | |
| 18:47 | it should explode when it gets to the bad character, or at least tell you it saw one | |
| 18:47 | you may have to install marclint | |
| 18:47 | apt-get install libmarc-lint-perl | |
| 18:47 | it looks through your records and finds mistakes | |
| 18:51 | so | |
| 18:51 | marclint marc_file_name | less | |
| 18:51 | or something similair | |
| 18:54 | owen | Trying to export one of my problem records gives me a 0-byte file |
| 18:54 | chris | ahh thats unhelpful |
| 18:54 | bbiab | |
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| 19:19 | owen | gmcharlt? |
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| 20:25 | richard | hi |
| 20:59 | robin | chris: so, there's a new Debian package policy version out, which I think gives me an excuse to make myself the maintainer of larsw's packages. |
| 21:00 | larsw | yay |
| 21:08 | cait | bye all |
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| 21:32 | chris | sweet :) |
| 21:32 | gmcharlt | robin++ |
| 21:32 | larsw++ | |
| 21:38 | * robin | wishes he had the time to rewrite the auth system - is currently very hard to make changes to :( |
| 21:42 | chris | it can go on the list for 3.4 |
| 21:43 | robin | chris: what gets stored in the session? It looks like it's a bunch of information about the user, I assume that's used to reduce db lookups? |
| 21:44 | ohh. I can have a session without a cookie if httpauth is being used - it just ties the session to the userid, that could work. | |
| 21:44 | chris | yup |
| 21:45 | robin | It looks like the httpauth stuff was written a long time ago, and kina forgotten about, it doesn't really work just yet :) |
| 21:45 | chris | yep thats exactly what happened |
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| 22:05 | pianohack | morning all |
| 22:05 | also, chris: around? | |
| 22:06 | chris | semi |
| 22:10 | pianohack | ah |
| 22:10 | chris: so maybe not the best time to go into your reasons for not liking apple? | |
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| 22:15 | chris | heh |
| 22:15 | its pretty much all ethical | |
| 22:15 | with some practical thrown in as well | |
| 22:16 | pianohack | okay |
| 22:16 | chris | i don't like their drm and lock in practices, i dont like the patent threats steve jobs makes, i don't like the working conditions of the people who make their products |
| 22:17 | pianohack | so drm, patents and foxconn |
| 22:18 | chris | proprietary code too, but that goes without saying :) |
| 22:18 | pianohack | Yes, those things suck, but are they objectively much worse than the rest of the computer _hardware_ industry? |
| 22:18 | chris | (theres more than just foxconn too im afraid) |
| 22:18 | larsw | but, but, ... shiny! or dull! white! or black! metal! dull shiny aluminium metal! brushed! how can you you not want to give all your money to them! |
| 22:19 | chris | if you were gonna buy it, reformat and put linux on, then nope, but you are buying their software .. and that is much worse than a lot of the software industry :) |
| 22:19 | also, objective measures don't exist in an ethical sphere :) | |
| 22:19 | pianohack | well, no |
| 22:20 | I think I've been reading too much english class material, throwin' in adverbs for the hell of it | |
| 22:20 | but anyway | |
| 22:21 | chris | hehe |
| 22:21 | pianohack | Hmm. I wonder how far up the chain I could get with the a "Mac OS X tax" argument for a refund? |
| 22:21 | Don't know if anyone's tried | |
| 22:21 | chris | i think about no where at all |
| 22:21 | frankly i dont think the hardware is good enough to justify the price, without OS X | |
| 22:22 | thats just my opinion though | |
| 22:22 | pianohack | Even if you're going for, say, the entry level macbook as opposed to the macbook pro, which costs more than some used cars I've seen? |
| 22:23 | chris | whats an entry level macbook cost these days? |
| 22:23 | pianohack | (not _great_ used cars, but still) |
| 22:24 | chris | :) |
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| 22:24 | chris | heya druthb :) |
| 22:24 | druthb | hi, chris! :D |
| 22:24 | chris | all conferenced out? |
| 22:24 | druthb | Very much so, yes. |
| 22:26 | * sekjal | is already outta DC |
| 22:26 | druthb | The convention center is three loooong blocks long by two wide...huge place. |
| 22:26 | chris | crazy |
| 22:26 | pianohack | chris: $950 for us lucky college entrants ;) |
| 22:26 | chris | sekjal: on the bus home? |
| 22:27 | sekjal | chris: train to Baltimore. my best friend gets married next weekend |
| 22:27 | larsw | pianohack, which country's dollars? |
| 22:27 | chris | sekjal: oooh cool |
| 22:27 | pianohack | larsw: USD. Just out of curiosity, where are you from? |
| 22:27 | larsw | entry level macbook in nz is nzd 1749 in the apple shop |
| 22:27 | druthb | sekjal, that's a nice little ride---40 minutes or so, and cheap-cheap. I go to baltimore n back fairly often. |
| 22:28 | larsw | pianohack, currently in NZ, born in Finlnad |
| 22:28 | Finlnad -- the land of a thousand typos | |
| 22:28 | pianohack | Oh, wow, that's a 25% export premium over the us |
| 22:28 | larsw: See, but I think it's still preferable to minnesota | |
| 22:28 | sekjal | druthb: yup, I'm about 10 minutes away. nice to have outlets to recharge my devices. all the sessions today drained them dry |
| 22:29 | druthb | yep. |
| 22:29 | you on northeast regional, or acela? | |
| 22:30 | sekjal | druthb: northeast regional |
| 22:31 | druthb | *nod* That's what I usually ride, too. |
| 22:31 | I was gonna take acela to Boston for midwinter, then ended up not going. | |
| 22:32 | sekjal | next one is in San Diego, right? that'd be a wicked long ride |
| 22:33 | alright, pulling into the station. got to bounce yet again. | |
| 22:33 | * sekjal | unsticks velcro |
| 22:33 | chris | prolly cost more than a macbook |
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| 23:41 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 23:41 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 21.9�C (6:49 PM CDT on June 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 28.96 in 980.6 hPa (Falling). |
| 23:41 | chris | cool anthony mao from taiwan confirms he is coming and can present, only 2 outstanding now |
| 23:42 | * moodaepo | sees pianohack dissing Minnesota |
| 23:42 | chris | he |
| 23:42 | h | |
| 23:42 | moodaepo | chris: nice. |
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| 23:52 | pianohack | moodaepo: Only to tie in with larsw's joke ;) |
| 23:54 | custard | hello #koha, |
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