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| 04:47 | cait | morning #koha |
| 04:58 | chris | hiya cait |
| 04:59 | cait | hi chris |
| 04:59 | chris++ # for repairing xslt translation | |
| 05:07 | chris | did you test the patch? |
| 05:07 | i hope it works, it seemed to on the de file i tried | |
| 05:09 | cait | I wll test later |
| 05:09 | have to finish jsp things first | |
| 05:09 | deadline at noon tomorrow | |
| 05:09 | chris | ahh, good luck |
| 05:10 | cait | thx :) |
| 05:18 | staying at home today, will take a break to watch nz later :) | |
| 05:21 | chris | 4 hours til kickoff |
| 05:21 | :) | |
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| 05:22 | chilts | 6 hrs isn't it? |
| 05:22 | 11:30 | |
| 05:23 | unless you're talking rugby or something :) | |
| 05:25 | chris | oh yeah |
| 05:25 | i cant count | |
| 05:25 | i blame the cold medication | |
| 05:25 | 6 hours it is | |
| 05:25 | where are you watching it chilts ? | |
| 05:25 | cait | 12:30 pm here |
| 05:26 | and get well soon chris! | |
| 05:26 | chilts | I have Sky so at home in a warm lounge :) |
| 05:26 | chris | ditto |
| 05:26 | but quietly | |
| 05:26 | chilts | should be three of is (two Brits and a Kiwi) :D |
| 05:26 | is=us :) | |
| 05:26 | * chilts | taped the Holland v Denmark match last night and will watch that when he gets home |
| 05:27 | chris | you dont want to know the score then ? |
| 05:27 | :) | |
| 05:27 | i saw some of italy v paraguay this morning .. put me back to sleep | |
| 05:27 | chilts | I know them all already, so not too worried :) |
| 05:27 | yeah, I was saying last night that Italy bore me | |
| 05:28 | chris | 2 defensive teams |
| 05:28 | so far germany have played the best football | |
| 05:28 | well according to my uneducated eye | |
| 05:29 | chilts | they have, and Argentina (though they were up against a keeper on fire) |
| 05:29 | * chilts | always says never rule the Germans out |
| 05:29 | chilts | ok, hometime :) |
| 05:29 | chris | cya later |
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| 08:41 | chris | robin: you around? |
| 08:47 | cait | chris: bug 4892? |
| 08:47 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4892 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Make the accounts page page, so that the list of records doesn't end up being huge. |
| 08:48 | chris | yep? |
| 08:48 | cait | I think its a duplicate to bug 2644 |
| 08:48 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2644 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Paginate Fines |
| 08:48 | chris | sure looks like it to me |
| 08:48 | cait | will mark it |
| 08:48 | chris | thanks |
| 08:48 | cait | robin send a patch for it |
| 08:49 | jsp-- *sighs* | |
| 08:49 | chris | yep |
| 08:50 | although it didnt hit the patches list did it? | |
| 08:50 | * chris | can't see the patch in the archives |
| 08:51 | cait | hm I got not mail |
| 08:51 | no | |
| 08:51 | chris | yeah, i think it went missing |
| 08:52 | ill get robin to resend | |
| 08:52 | cait | :) |
| 08:52 | chris | he did another patch today as well |
| 08:56 | cait | which bug? |
| 08:57 | chris | not sure, ill find out tomorrow :) |
| 09:05 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 09:05 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (9:00 PM NZST on June 15, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:06 | chris | heh, there is no way its 11 out there |
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| 09:13 | chris | heya robin-hom |
| 09:23 | robin-hom | chris: hola |
| 09:23 | imp | heyho, who is in charge for the kohails twitter account? (2x4 times the same tweet...) |
| 09:25 | chris | you sure they werent retweets? |
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| 09:25 | kmkale | good afternoon |
| 09:25 | imp | chris: yes, i'm sure, they are all from kohails via dlvr.it and not retweets |
| 09:26 | chris: just take a look http://twitter.com/kohails | |
| 09:26 | kmkale | From the OPAC, how do I search for all books published before certain year? |
| 09:27 | chris | yahoo pipes flipping out then |
| 09:27 | or someones rss feed flipping out .. which causes the same thing | |
| 09:27 | i suspect pipes is doing it | |
| 09:28 | robin-hom: hdl reports those messages arent the queue, might have to try a resend tomorrow | |
| 09:28 | robin-hom | chris: curious. It's strange that I'm not getting a bounce from them. |
| 09:33 | chris | yeah its weird |
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| 09:37 | zico | hi everyone |
| 09:37 | it`s nice to see you people here!! :) | |
| 09:37 | this mibbit is great too! :) | |
| 09:40 | chris | kmkale: go to the advanced search |
| 09:41 | kmkale | chris: and? |
| 09:41 | chris | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]ha/opac-search.pl |
| 09:41 | there are instructions there | |
| 09:41 | zico | by the way |
| 09:41 | i am facing an annoying problem here :D | |
| 09:41 | kmkale | aww I am on 3.00.00 so this is not there |
| 09:41 | zico | some of my patron cannot issue their books/cds or anything |
| 09:42 | because, the "confirmation window" does not comes for them | |
| 09:42 | and.. this thing happened for some other users before | |
| 09:42 | but.. it became ok after certain time | |
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| 09:42 | zico | this is not black magic, right? |
| 09:42 | can anyone help me out? | |
| 09:42 | kmkale | chris: any ti: type query I can type in the box on 3.00.00? |
| 09:42 | zico | i really need your help guys :( |
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| 09:43 | chris | why 3.00.00? not 3.0.6? |
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| 09:44 | chris | kmkale: ill look |
| 09:44 | zico: there must be some setting | |
| 09:44 | zico | what kind of setting it may be chris? |
| 09:44 | i mean... this became an uncertainity | |
| 09:44 | kmkale | chris: granthalaya.org is on 3.00.00 and I haven't dared yet to upgrade :( |
| 09:45 | zico | some times i prayed to my server to make it happen!!! :D |
| 09:45 | chris: what kind of setting it may be? | |
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| 09:47 | chris | zico: not sure, i havent seen it happen ever befor |
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| 09:50 | chris | kmkale: http://granthalaya.org/cgi-bin[…]sort_by=relevance |
| 09:50 | zico: my guess would be the circulation rules | |
| 09:50 | kmkale | chris: you are great |
| 09:50 | chris++ | |
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| 09:55 | kmkale | chris: it does not work though. that search should have got only books after 2008 but it got almost everything. incl this "Date of publication, distribution, etc 1987" |
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| 09:55 | chris | im guessing the indexes dont exist right then |
| 09:58 | you might need to check what field the yr is being mapped to | |
| 09:58 | zico | :( |
| 09:58 | is not there any solution?? | |
| 09:58 | i cannot see anything in circulation thing | |
| 09:59 | kmkale | chris: record.abs? |
| 10:00 | chris | kmkale: yeah |
| 10:01 | kmkale | chris: look for pubdate? |
| 10:01 | chris | not sure for 3.0.0 |
| 10:02 | you'll probably need to look at C4/Search.pm find what limit-yr maps to, then find out what marc field that maps to | |
| 10:06 | kmkale | chris: ok. thanks. I have in records.abs "melm 260$c copydate,copydate:s" |
| 10:08 | chris | st-numeric .. what does that map to? |
| 10:09 | kmkale | and my pub year is also mapped to 260$c |
| 10:09 | st-numeric looking.. | |
| 10:09 | chris | actually no ignore that |
| 10:10 | we have to find out what yr is mapped to | |
| 10:11 | kmkale | looking |
| 10:11 | cait | chris: perhaps 008 |
| 10:13 | chris | or perhaps nothing :) |
| 10:13 | cait | or that |
| 10:13 | chris | which might be the problem |
| 10:14 | cait | I think the pub year option in adv search works with 008. (3.1.61), 260 c can be problematic, not only numbers there |
| 10:15 | kmkale | chris: # Date of Publication |
| 10:15 | if ( $index eq 'yr' ) { | |
| 10:15 | $index .= ",st-numeric"; | |
| 10:15 | $indexes_set++; | |
| 10:16 | chris | yep |
| 10:17 | so what we have to find out is what yr ends up as | |
| 10:18 | kmkale | in records.abs melm 008 date-entered-on-file:n:range(data,0,5),date-entered-on-file:s:range(data,0,5),pubdate:w:range(data,7,4),pubdate:n:range(data,7,4),pubdate:y:range(data,7,4),pubdate:s:range(data,7,4),pl:w:range(data,15,3),ta:w:range(data,22,1),ff8-23:w:range(data,23,1),ff8-29:w:range(data,29,1),lf:w:range(data,33,1),bio:w:range(data,34,1),ln:n:range(data,35,3),ctype:w:range(data,24,4) |
| 10:18 | ,Record-source:w:range(data,39,0) | |
| 10:18 | chris | yep, but how does yr get to be pubdate |
| 10:19 | kmkale | ????? |
| 10:19 | in Search.pm there are no marc tags mentioned | |
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| 10:21 | cait | ccl.properties? |
| 10:22 | in git: | |
| 10:22 | 332 #Date-publication 31 The date (usually year) in 008/07-10, 260$c | |
| 10:22 | 333 #which a document is published. 046, 533$d | |
| 10:22 | 334 Date-of-publication 1=pubdate r=r | |
| 10:22 | 335 #dp Date-of-publication | |
| 10:22 | 336 yr Date-of-publication | |
| 10:22 | 337 pubdate Date-of-publication | |
| 10:22 | chris | thats it |
| 10:23 | but we need to check the version in 3.0.0 | |
| 10:24 | yep, 008 it is | |
| 10:24 | cait | ... |
| 10:24 | ;) | |
| 10:24 | ok, need to buy something for lunch bbl | |
| 10:24 | chris | http://granthalaya.org/cgi-bin[…]iblionumber=24077 |
| 10:25 | 9999 | |
| 10:25 | thats why | |
| 10:25 | the 008's for the records have bad values | |
| 10:26 | 9999 is much bigger than 2008 | |
| 10:26 | :) | |
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| 11:57 | albertos | hi all again... |
| 11:57 | cait | hi albertos |
| 11:57 | albertos | a question (again..) |
| 11:58 | when i edit items in koha | |
| 11:58 | field "r - Type of item and material " is mandatory | |
| 11:58 | so... when we fill it with data | |
| 11:58 | and save its ok | |
| 11:58 | but when we edit that item... | |
| 11:58 | that particular field... contains no data | |
| 11:59 | and we have to enter it again... | |
| 11:59 | does anyone knows why this is happening? | |
| 12:00 | cait | unimarc? |
| 12:01 | albertos | yeap |
| 12:04 | any suggestions? | |
| 12:05 | cait | using marc21 :( |
| 12:06 | albertos | oh... |
| 12:06 | cait | perhaps there is something in the error logs? |
| 12:06 | albertos | cant find anything (till now) but i'll check again |
| 12:06 | is it supposed to happen? | |
| 12:07 | cait | koha to marc mapping? |
| 12:07 | no, dont think so. | |
| 12:07 | albertos | did changed anything |
| 12:07 | cait | is it a pulldown or a normal field? |
| 12:07 | albertos | its in default |
| 12:07 | normal field | |
| 12:07 | cait | which koha version? |
| 12:08 | albertos | 3.0.06 |
| 12:10 | cait | sorry :( |
| 12:10 | albertos | ok |
| 12:10 | i' | |
| 12:10 | i' ll try to figure it | |
| 12:10 | and postback | |
| 12:10 | :-) | |
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| 12:33 | albertos | hi again... |
| 12:34 | simple question... that i cant find anywhere.. | |
| 12:34 | how can i display all items in my catalog in backend? | |
| 12:34 | all entries | |
| 12:38 | cait | not sure what you want to do |
| 12:38 | all items are displayed at the title | |
| 12:39 | there is no separate view for only items, they are always displayed below the title | |
| 12:40 | title = bibliographic information | |
| 12:41 | albertos | no.. |
| 12:41 | i meant all biblios | |
| 12:41 | like in authorities | |
| 12:41 | i leave a blank field | |
| 12:41 | and displays everything | |
| 12:41 | is there an analog in catalog? | |
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| 12:45 | cait | hm I think no |
| 12:45 | when you leave it blank, you get to adv search | |
| 12:45 | you can try and search on all item types | |
| 12:45 | or if you have the marcorgcode in every title you can search for that | |
| 12:45 | thts what I normally do | |
| 12:47 | albertos | yes... we do that also... |
| 12:47 | but there is a need now for displaying the full catalog | |
| 12:47 | cait | not sure how to do it, perhaps one of the developers has an idea |
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| 12:52 | albertos | ps. |
| 12:52 | for the "r" field i was talking about before... | |
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| 12:52 | albertos | i edited the subfield |
| 12:53 | to bind over items.itype | |
| 12:53 | and its ok now | |
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| 13:01 | cait | albertos: hm, itype should be a pulldown |
| 13:02 | albertos: its very important for loan conditions | |
| 13:06 | albertos: hm, perhaps unimarc is differnet here, but it seems a bit strange to me | |
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| 13:23 | nelsonlib | Hey there, I'm looking for some help with the 'Add Item' function of the Batch Label Creator |
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| 17:51 | cait | hi koha |
| 17:52 | jwagner | Hi cait. Been a _real_ quiet day here.... |
| 17:52 | cait | hi jwagner |
| 17:53 | i was alone here half of the day, but left some time ago to do my online exam for distance study | |
| 17:53 | not enough time to finish uml diagram :( *sigh* | |
| 17:53 | jwagner | That doesn't sound like a fun way to spend the day ..... |
| 17:54 | cait | no |
| 17:55 | stayed at home today to finish everything, deadline is at noon tomorrow | |
| 17:56 | can only register for the real exam when I pass the online tests | |
| 17:57 | * cait | harrumphs |
| 18:03 | jwagner | me harrumphs in sympathy |
| 18:05 | What's the exam for -- certification? | |
| 18:13 | cait | Im doing a distance study computer science |
| 18:13 | bachelor of science in the end... somewhere in the not so near future | |
| 18:14 | my current course is about html/css and javaserver pages | |
| 18:15 | jwagner | Oh, good. You can be our backup to owen for all the OPAC questions :-) |
| 18:16 | (I seem to have a mental block about understanding HTML and CSS....) | |
| 18:19 | cait | I like html and css... but java makes me harrumph ;) |
| 18:22 | jwagner | I think it has that effect on everyone. But CSS _really_ is incomprehensible to me. |
| 18:23 | And the basic HTML I do know was learned back in the early days and is now completely outdated. Most of the commands I use are now deprecated. Sigh. | |
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| 18:27 | cait | @karma java |
| 18:27 | munin | cait: Karma for "java" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 18:27 | cait | @karma jsp |
| 18:27 | munin | cait: Karma for "jsp" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5. |
| 18:27 | jwagner | @karma css |
| 18:27 | munin | jwagner: css has neutral karma. |
| 18:28 | jwagner | css-- |
| 18:28 | So There! | |
| 18:28 | cait | my html is outdated too :) html5 is not int he course yet |
| 18:28 | ooh poor css | |
| 18:28 | jwagner | It deserves it! |
| 18:28 | cait | jsp-- |
| 18:29 | jwagner | And while we're at it.... |
| 18:29 | XSLT-- | |
| 18:29 | @karma XSLT | |
| 18:29 | munin | jwagner: Karma for "XSLT" has been increased 2 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -1. |
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| 18:32 | cait | we scared hdl away |
| 18:32 | jwagner | Oh, well.... |
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| 18:39 | cait | wb hdl |
| 18:39 | hdl | hi cait |
| 18:40 | jwagner | Hi hdl -- cait was afraid we had scared you off |
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| 18:45 | chris | morning |
| 18:45 | chrisd | Hi there |
| 18:45 | * chris | wanders off to get ready for work, bbiab |
| 18:47 | chrisd | Just wanted to pick your brains here. I've been playing with the Harley Release and all the records that have multiple items attached are not showing up in the OPAC. All the other records are showing up fine. Is this possibly a setting? |
| 18:47 | jwagner | Shouldn't be -- URL for an example? |
| 18:48 | chrisd | I dont' have it public. I'm on a local test server |
| 18:48 | jwagner | Do you mean the title itself doesn't show in the OPAC? or just the items? |
| 18:49 | chrisd | The title |
| 18:49 | jwagner | But other titles do show up OK? |
| 18:49 | chrisd | yeah, all the titles with only one item show up fine...weird |
| 18:50 | jwagner | Definitely odd -- I've never seen that one in testing. Maybe you could send me a couple of sample records (one single, one multiple)? |
| 18:51 | chrisd | Be glad to. How do you want me to send them? Also, I was wondering if it might have something to do with OPACITEMHOLDS |
| 18:52 | jwagner | attach the MARC records to email -- jwagnerptfs.com |
| 18:52 | I don't think it would have to do with that syspref, but I'll take a look | |
| 18:55 | I just verified on one of our test systems, and titles with multiple titles show up fine. Are these for different branches? Do you have independent branches on maybe? | |
| 18:55 | multiple items, that is | |
| 18:57 | chrisd | same branches. We have multiple branches but the mulivolume sets (items) are usually all at the same branch. |
| 18:57 | i'm working on getting the item records. | |
| 18:58 | jwagner | Do an export from your Koha system under Tools, so I can see all the item info that's there now. |
| 18:58 | chrisd | ok |
| 19:01 | jwagner | Forgot to ask, you can search & see these titles in staff mode? |
| 19:02 | chrisd | yes i can see the titles in staff mode |
| 19:03 | jwagner | I have an idea, then, but I need to see the item data to confirm |
| 19:03 | chrisd | i'm sending it right now |
| 19:09 | jwagner | Well, that wasn't it.... We have an item suppression feature that makes use of subfield i in the item record -- if all items on a title are marked as suppressed, the title is also suppressed in the OPAC. However, your items don't have a 952 subfield i. Nor do you have a 942 title suppression that I can see. I'm puzzled... |
| 19:11 | chrisd | I'm going to try to shut the OPACItemholds off and see what happens. |
| 19:12 | Didn't work... :-( | |
| 19:12 | jwagner | If you make any kind of edit to one of the hidden titles, and wait for zebra to pick it up, does the title then show in the OPAC? |
| 19:13 | chrisd | let me try..hold on a sec. i'll make a change and run rebuild_zebra |
| 19:18 | No luck...bummer | |
| 19:19 | * wizzyrea | notes that harley is the ptfs only release, and that all mainline koha releases are done through download.koha-community.org |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | not judgin, just sayin. |
| 19:20 | jwagner | Hrmm. We probably need jdavidb's input, and he's off work today. |
| 19:22 | chrisd | ok. I'll check back another time. I'm just playing around to see what it can do. :-) |
| 19:22 | jwagner | chris_n, online? |
| 19:24 | chrisd | jwagner. Thanks for the help |
| 19:24 | jwagner | Apparently not :-( wizzyrea, have you played with his label feature? |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | some |
| 19:25 | jwagner | That's more than I have :-) Question from one of our sites -- does it have the ability to print set of labels -- 2 disparate label types on the same sheet of label paper |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 19:26 | jwagner: i'm not sure, actually. It seems fairly flexible but I'm having a hard time visualizing what exact type of output you/they are looking for | |
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| 19:27 | wizzyrea | I have a 3.2 test server if you'd like to play around with it. |
| 19:27 | jwagner | I imagine they want to print, say, a spine label and a back-of-book label at the same time. |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | hm, I think you can do something like use the same batch for different templates, but I'm not sure you can do both on the same sheet |
| 19:29 | jwagner | I didn't remember ever hearing about that capability, but I might not have beenpaying attention.... |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | well it seems rather like a relatively fringe scenario to me |
| 19:30 | but what do I know | |
| 19:30 | chris | you can do same batch for different templates |
| 19:30 | but yeah,having a template that has 2 different types of labels on it ... might be possible, but sounds like something that is far more likely to go wrong than right | |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | the templating bit seems to be predicated on the same format being replicated on every label on the sheet |
| 19:31 | chris | and might be solving a problem that doesnt need to be solved |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | lemme guess... |
| 19:31 | sirsi did it? | |
| 19:31 | ;) | |
| 19:31 | or iii | |
| 19:31 | chris | i for one am sick of that as a reason for doing things |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | well, they do some things very well, but the very best ILS fits the product to the librarian, not the librarian to the product (which is what sirsi did very well... making people's workflow match the ils, not the other way around) |
| 19:33 | (imo) | |
| 19:33 | chris | they might do things well |
| 19:33 | and thats the reason to do it | |
| 19:33 | not that they did it | |
| 19:33 | ie, lets do things because they are good ideas | |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | ya |
| 19:33 | chris | and realise some things just arent |
| 19:33 | jwagner | It's for a site with a very odd workflow. Before we go back & say "you're going to have to change your workflow" I wanted to verify existing options. |
| 19:34 | wizzyrea | I agree with that sentiment. |
| 19:34 | aha | |
| 19:34 | I'm glad to know that I don't have the only really crazy workflows in my system :) | |
| 19:34 | er, odd. | |
| 19:34 | chris | heh |
| 19:35 | my favourite clients are always the ones who realise a new library system is the perfect time to examine their business practices and decide if things make sense, or if they are just doing things cos thats how they do things | |
| 19:36 | jwagner | I am running out of astonishment capacity for what various librarians think are absolutely necessary processes.... |
| 19:36 | chris | yeah, it really is pretty amazing eh jwagner |
| 19:36 | if i cant press f8 on this page, god kills a kitten | |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 19:37 | we have a library that has a collection of kids books (duplicate to their normal collection) just for storytime | |
| 19:37 | they are marked not for loan | |
| 19:37 | but they want to hide these items from the opac | |
| 19:37 | so patrons can't see that they have them | |
| 19:37 | chris | ummm |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | we're like, why? |
| 19:37 | chris | yeah |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | what's the harm in showing your patrons that you have another copy, in your professional collection, that you don't loan? |
| 19:38 | chris_n | jwagner: there were some vestigial capabilities like that in the very old labels code, but they did not work well and I have not had time to add such to the new code |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | i mean, they're clearly marked in the OPAC |
| 19:38 | it was def a facepalm moment. | |
| 19:38 | jwagner | Thanks, chris_n, just wanted to verify current functionality |
| 19:38 | chris_n | jwagner: it could certainly be done, however |
| 19:38 | jwagner | shhhh. Let's not encourage them :-) |
| 19:39 | * chris_n | thinks most anything can be done... its just a question of buffer overrun |
| 19:39 | jwagner | Actually, that by itself wouldn't be a problem, but some of the OTHER stuff they want to do.... |
| 19:39 | cait | clear passswords? |
| 19:40 | jwagner | cait, go stand in a corner! |
| 19:40 | chris | heh ive had that one |
| 19:40 | chris_n | jwagner: the "alternating" layout type is part of the vestigial stuff |
| 19:40 | chris | we want to be able to email ppl their lost passwords |
| 19:40 | 'how about no?' | |
| 19:40 | cait | oooh |
| 19:40 | chris_n | but the template code does not accommodate that layout type atm |
| 19:40 | jwagner | If the client insists, and pays us to do it, we'll do it. But we REALLY STRONGLY pointed out to them that it was a Bad Idea, and were quite glad to be able to kill it in the end. |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | ok, a password recovery function might be useful |
| 19:41 | just sayin | |
| 19:41 | chris | yes thats fine |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | but that's diff from emailing the password |
| 19:41 | chris | thats what i suggested, and yep it will be in 3.4 |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | wahoo |
| 19:41 | cait | nice |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 19:41 | sorry, that came off less excited than i actually was | |
| 19:41 | jwagner | Speaking of labels, though, I remember a bug from early last year with searching by acquisition date in creating a batch. I know it was fixed, but I can't find the bug report. Ring any bells for anyone? |
| 19:42 | chris | along with temporary passwords |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | luv |
| 19:42 | chris_n | jwagner: I never could find the bug either |
| 19:42 | jwagner | chris, yes, that would be a nice feature. |
| 19:42 | chris | ok bus time |
| 19:42 | chris_n | but it works in the current head afaik |
| 19:42 | * chris_n | heads back off to finish an estimate.. yuk |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | someone was in here yesterday asking about 3.0.6 and not being able to search by acq date |
| 19:43 | jwagner | Hmmm. I thought I remembered a specific patch, but it's been a while. I'll dig deeper when I get a chance. |
| 19:43 | chris_n | I think the problem with 3.0.x is a data formatting issue |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | ok wish me luck I'm about to blow shit up. |
| 19:43 | er | |
| 19:43 | stuff. | |
| 19:43 | sorry. | |
| 19:43 | where stuff = my koha install | |
| 19:43 | jwagner | wizzyrea, need some help? I feel like doing that too :-) |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 19:43 | <.< | |
| 19:43 | ^.^ | |
| 19:43 | * jwagner | reminds wizzyrea that backups are a Good Thing |
| 19:44 | cait | is there development to make odue notices listen to the calendar/holidays? |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | hehe, my koha install is really nothing to write home about |
| 19:44 | * chris_n | hands wizzyrea a pair of safety glasses |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | but I will back up all the same |
| 19:44 | jwagner | cait, in what sense? Not to send an overdue on a holiday date? |
| 19:45 | cait | exactly |
| 19:45 | send it on the next opening day instead | |
| 19:45 | like fines | |
| 19:45 | jwagner | Hmmm. I'm not sure I see the reasoning. If it's overdue, why not send the notice even if it's a holiday? they can always wait to check their email until the next day. |
| 19:46 | cait | I have to time fines and notices to the same day |
| 19:46 | with weekly fine interval, fines work nice, but notices are a problem | |
| 19:46 | when there is a holiday in the week it gets out of sync | |
| 19:47 | jwagner | Ah. That's a different issue. I don't know of any development along those lines, but it shouldn't be too hard to do. We did something similar for hold expiration, so the pickup expiration date didn't fall on a calendar holiday |
| 19:47 | cait | because we have weekly fine intervals and you want to tell them: you have x fines on your books now |
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| 19:48 | cait | and Im testing with negative grace periods now... I really hope it worked |
| 19:48 | because with fine interval 5 and grace period 0 the first fine is set five days after due date | |
| 19:50 | hm will think about it tomorrow | |
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| 20:09 | jwagner | chris, back yet? |
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| 20:14 | wizzyrea | heya LBA |
| 20:14 | LBA | yo |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | how you doin today |
| 20:15 | LBA | good! getting the hang of the world of IRC - it rocks! |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 20:22 | LBA | anyone know if I can connect to two different IRC servers/channels using Pidgin? |
| 20:22 | at the same time... | |
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| 20:29 | wizzyrea | I think you can |
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| 20:29 | richard | hi |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | hi richard |
| 20:33 | chris | back |
| 20:33 | sup jwagner | |
| 20:33 | LBA: yeah you can | |
| 20:34 | jwagner | Just a followup on that patron password you were talking about -- for 3.4, is it going to have the ability to force a password change? |
| 20:34 | chris | the temporary ones? yep |
| 20:34 | jwagner | Like if staff resets a password, the next time the patron logs into the OPAC they have to change it? |
| 20:34 | chris | yep |
| 20:34 | exactly like that | |
| 20:34 | jwagner | GREAT |
| 20:35 | Will that also take effect for when patrons are created/loaded for the first time? | |
| 20:35 | chris | yep |
| 20:35 | jwagner | When we load patron data & set a default password, it would be nice to make them change it |
| 20:35 | chris | if you set it |
| 20:35 | it'll be a simple as a switch, basicaly its a one time login switch | |
| 20:36 | jwagner | In the patron record, like a radio button or something? |
| 20:36 | chris | LBA: if you plan to use irc a bit, i recommend looking into something like bip |
| 20:36 | jwagner: yep, something like htat | |
| 20:36 | jwagner | Terrific. Will look forward to it :-) |
| 20:36 | LBA | hi chris. pidgin won't let me start up another channel on another server... |
| 20:37 | chris | LBA: you should be able to just make another 'account' |
| 20:37 | * chris | tries |
| 20:38 | LBA | that's what I thought but it isn't working for me |
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| 20:39 | moodaepo | LBA: Works for me on Ubuntu I'm connected to koha and evergreen on diff servers |
| 20:39 | chris | hmm that seems to work |
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| 20:43 | LBA | welllll, guess, I'll go out and see if I can do it the other way around. I'm trapped on this server so far.... |
| 20:43 | * LBA | back later |
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| 20:47 | jwagner | G'night, all.... |
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| 20:50 | pianohack | Hi, lowercase jo |
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| 20:51 | jo | hiya |
| 20:53 | chris | hi jo |
| 20:53 | cait | good night #koha |
| 20:53 | * LBA | applauds. got three channels going. |
| 20:54 | LBA | nighty night cait |
| 20:54 | cait | night LBA |
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| 21:02 | chris | LBA: gonna stick round for the meeting in 50 minutes or so? |
| 21:07 | LBA | chris, yes, I'll be here. |
| 21:07 | chris | cool |
| 21:08 | LBA | by accident :-[ |
| 21:08 | chris | its the kohacon volunteers meeting, so not a full community one |
| 21:08 | LBA | okay, happy to lurk. |
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| 21:52 | russ | 3 mins to KohaCon volunteers meeting |
| 21:56 | ok start time | |
| 21:56 | chris | cool |
| 21:56 | russ | KohaCon10 volunteers meeting starting now |
| 21:56 | first up - who is here for the meeting | |
| 21:56 | chris | me |
| 21:56 | * russ | -> Russel Garlick, Catalyst |
| 21:57 | chris | it might be just you and me as nicole is on the road and most of nz is asleep after watching football all night |
| 21:57 | jo was about | |
| 21:57 | russ | and fair enough |
| 21:57 | be a nice quick meeting then :-) | |
| 21:57 | chris | jo ? |
| 21:57 | jo | yep |
| 21:58 | chris | cool |
| 21:58 | jo | sorry just getting update on fuinances |
| 21:58 | chris | sweet thanks |
| 21:58 | Nate | can I be of any assistance? |
| 21:58 | jo | can you make coffee? |
| 21:58 | chris | you can point out when our schemes are mad Nate :) |
| 21:58 | Nate | Great will do! |
| 21:59 | chris | ill do a quick run down on the programme |
| 21:59 | calls for talks closed last night nz time | |
| 21:59 | and we are totally filled up | |
| 21:59 | so thats great | |
| 21:59 | jo | brillliant :) |
| 21:59 | russ | excellnet |
| 21:59 | chris | next step is emailing all the people and confirming they can/are still coming |
| 22:00 | then ill get more ppl to check the programme, we might shuffle some things around | |
| 22:00 | but its looking pretty good | |
| 22:00 | have some neat talks | |
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| 22:00 | jo | waves |
| 22:00 | chris | yay its Brooke :) |
| 22:00 | Brooke | howdy sorry I'm late |
| 22:00 | russ | np |
| 22:00 | jo | the programme looks good |
| 22:01 | and lots of time for networking and talking too | |
| 22:01 | chris | anyone who wants to see it, lemme know your google account email address and ill add ya |
| 22:01 | yeah i tried not to make the days too crammed | |
| 22:01 | russ | chris: nicole has offered to help with the emailing the presenters |
| 22:01 | jo | good idea |
| 22:01 | chris | cos hallwaycon is the most important part |
| 22:01 | russ | heh |
| 22:01 | jo | yep |
| 22:01 | Brooke | *nod* |
| 22:02 | russ | ok so plan is to contact the presenters in the next 2 weeks, get them to confirm |
| 22:02 | chris | cool |
| 22:02 | Brooke | LITA's schedule was great in terms of how they made it fold behind a namebadge. Not so great in terms of font size. |
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| 22:02 | chris | heya BobB |
| 22:02 | jo | hi Bob |
| 22:02 | russ | and then we can start publishing to the website |
| 22:03 | jo | that might generate more registrations too |
| 22:03 | chris | we can ask bob right now, save an email :) |
| 22:03 | BobB | Good morning all. Well done NZ for draw with Slovakia. Very exciting. |
| 22:03 | Brooke | indeed beat me to it :D |
| 22:03 | jo | lots of NZ-soccer hangovers today |
| 22:03 | russ | jo: yeah |
| 22:04 | the plan is to get some info up on the site early july | |
| 22:04 | chris | BobB: we are going to be emailing speakers over the next 2 weeks, to confirm they can still do their talks, you are good to go with yours? |
| 22:04 | jo | or headaches for lack of sleep thanks to ratbag twins, 1 of which stayed up very late and the other got up very earlytwin |
| 22:04 | russ | and then start the registration drive |
| 22:04 | BobB | If you want the paper, I'm happy to do it. |
| 22:05 | chris | yeah its a timely and good topic |
| 22:05 | jo | is there a list of registratnts received already |
| 22:05 | Bob: great topic | |
| 22:05 | chris | i have one |
| 22:05 | jo | k |
| 22:06 | Finances now? | |
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| 22:06 | russ | jo: yep |
| 22:06 | jo | we have $2280.66 still in the nbank |
| 22:06 | next payment is $1046 on the 25th July so thats covered | |
| 22:07 | chris | cool |
| 22:07 | Brooke | ++ |
| 22:07 | chris | some of that is earmarked i think too, the stuff from lee anyway |
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| 22:07 | jo | a final payment of $2092 will be due on 25/09 and we will be bit a bit short for that one. |
| 22:07 | russ | jo: i know there is still a contribution to come in |
| 22:07 | chris | yep catalyst is covering that |
| 22:07 | jo | great |
| 22:08 | Donations recd from: Bywater, Magnes, Calyx, Miguel and Equinox | |
| 22:08 | chris | and frederic from tamil was offering some sponsorship, which would allow for some morning teas, ill follow up with him on that |
| 22:08 | right, so to come - biblibre, catalyst and lee from montana | |
| 22:09 | those are the ones i know about | |
| 22:09 | jo | I am planning to give $500 from HLT as well |
| 22:09 | but will be next budget now | |
| 22:09 | chris | and maybe tamil |
| 22:10 | russ | I have been turned down by 2 other orgs (at the moment :-)) |
| 22:10 | but it all appears to be in hand | |
| 22:10 | jo | for cash or services? |
| 22:10 | chris | i was thinking to ask nicole to ask her publisher |
| 22:10 | if they would donate a couple of copies of her book | |
| 22:11 | russ | jo: cash - which is fine, there are some other orgs who have indicated they can help in other ways |
| 22:11 | and i will contact them closer to the time | |
| 22:11 | BobB | chris: great idea |
| 22:11 | jo | I'd love to see a few libraries donating too - not heaps - but a token. everyone knows conferences cost to run |
| 22:11 | russ: cool. | |
| 22:11 | chris | also the library bar here in wellington |
| 22:12 | seems foolish not to ask them to sponsor a round | |
| 22:12 | jo | True.would there be any WCC money or |
| 22:12 | BobB | chris: beer for me thanks. :) |
| 22:12 | jo | digital innovation / initiatoive / busineees house money around from WCC? |
| 22:13 | chris | http://thelibrary.co.nz/ |
| 22:13 | jo: i doubt it | |
| 22:13 | jo | well it looks like we'll be okayish |
| 22:13 | Brooke | they'll come out 9 rounds ahead if you ask me, at least. |
| 22:13 | chris | jo: yeah we'll be fine |
| 22:14 | Brooke: yeah, exactly | |
| 22:14 | russ | chris: agreed |
| 22:14 | BobB | I guess WCC is the city council? They might help you with tourist info or other stuff if we will try to put a satchel together? |
| 22:14 | russ | thanks again to tall teh sponsors |
| 22:14 | chris | BobB: good idea |
| 22:14 | tourism wellington, or wotzon.com | |
| 22:14 | might help out with that | |
| 22:14 | Brooke | ++ russ, it's good to see real cooperation |
| 22:15 | jo | Word is our council will be sponsoring the reception up our way |
| 22:15 | chris | nice |
| 22:15 | BobB | Jo: very nice! |
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| 22:15 | jo | i think so - i hoped so but you never can tell with council's |
| 22:15 | Brooke | hey there jesse |
| 22:15 | chris | true |
| 22:16 | jo | hi Jesse |
| 22:16 | KohaCon registrations and financial commitment is open now. | |
| 22:16 | Brooke | what's their fiscal year? |
| 22:16 | that can often have a lot to do with donations and sponsorships? | |
| 22:16 | jo | Brooke: council run July - June |
| 22:16 | BobB | So ask now and if no go ask again in July. |
| 22:17 | Brooke | *nod* |
| 22:17 | exactly | |
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| 22:17 | jo | bit of a glitch with the hotel rooms lost but lining up a different one now (and prices went up too much so I'm calm about the change) |
| 22:18 | pianohac1 | Hi Brooke |
| 22:18 | Brooke | if you want help hotel wrangling, I'll help |
| 22:18 | jo | What else do we need to cover now? |
| 22:18 | Brooke | those guys often offer group discounts that are higher than online rates, and it's a pet peeve |
| 22:18 | jo | Thanks Brooke - I';ve got a travel agent on it and her prices were miles better than I could get |
| 22:19 | but I will bear that advice in mind | |
| 22:20 | Russ: do want to know about equipment ie that I have a prohjector and screen I can bring down? | |
| 22:20 | russ | sorry team i have to head off to another meeting |
| 22:20 | jo: send me an email | |
| 22:20 | we have some stuff here | |
| 22:20 | jo | Are we done now or what else needs to be covered? |
| 22:20 | russ | i think we are done |
| 22:20 | chris | av gear is what we need |
| 22:20 | Brooke | dunno if anyone said this |
| 22:20 | or noticed | |
| 22:20 | but em | |
| 22:21 | a long time ago when animals could talk, I offered to see if I could get us listed on this amazing Library Conference site | |
| 22:21 | that has like every conference every where | |
| 22:21 | chris | oh yeah |
| 22:21 | Brooke | that's even remotely LIS |
| 22:21 | Wellllll | |
| 22:21 | russ | jo: if you know anyone with radio mics/speakers/sound desk |
| 22:21 | Brooke | I went to check it out |
| 22:21 | and it was already there | |
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| 22:21 | jo | :) |
| 22:21 | russ | i am going to talk to a couple of mates in bands here |
| 22:21 | jo | how are registrations going Chris? |
| 22:21 | Brooke | so good job somebody and or the dude's own research |
| 22:21 | russ | they won't be using their gear during the day |
| 22:22 | jo | Russ: cool. |
| 22:22 | russ | ok to recap |
| 22:22 | BobB | Jo: how are the numbers for the roadtrip? Will you fit on one bus? |
| 22:22 | jo | Bob: I have 1 confirmed. |
| 22:22 | chris | russ: sweet |
| 22:22 | russ | Call for papers closed - programme full - Chris, Russ and Nicole will coordinate contacting presenters |
| 22:23 | chris | jo: bout 45 at the mo |
| 22:23 | russ | Goal is to publish programme as soon as possible |
| 22:23 | jo | I'm planning 12 in a van with a trailer for luggage. |
| 22:23 | chris | thats not counting quite a few ppl i know are coing |
| 22:23 | jo | Chris: ok |
| 22:23 | chris | its 95% overseas |
| 22:23 | jo | Bob: I know of 6 or so who are keen |
| 22:23 | and Mark from Albany has access to a second van if we need more seats | |
| 22:23 | Brooke | <--- is keen, and must show Jo the money! |
| 22:24 | russ | Next Meeting time: I want to confirm with nicole when she is availble |
| 22:24 | BobB | Jo: OK. Sounds like Irma and I can come direct to Wellington. |
| 22:24 | jo | Brooke: yep :) |
| 22:24 | russ | once I have talked to her i will publish the next meeting time |
| 22:24 | jo | Bob: that would be by far the easist for you |
| 22:24 | chris | BobB: nice, yeah on virginblue? |
| 22:24 | * russ | has to go |
| 22:24 | russ | thanks everyone |
| 22:24 | jo | cya Russ |
| 22:24 | Brooke | watch the food! That's the infamous Richard airline sorta |
| 22:24 | chris | cya russ |
| 22:25 | BobB | Chris: on Qantas using points, I think. |
| 22:25 | chris | cool |
| 22:25 | jo | Brooke: I need to confirm the booking on 30th June so really do need reistrations in the next fortnight |
| 22:25 | if I only get 3 or 4 I'll just use my own car | |
| 22:26 | Brooke | yes m |
| 22:27 | BobB | When the program is out CALYX will start promoting to customers and interested others. We hope some Aussies will cross the ditch. |
| 22:28 | Any registered yet, Chris? | |
| 22:28 | chris | lemme check |
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| 22:28 | chris | nope |
| 22:29 | BobB | Hmmmm. OK. |
| 22:30 | chris | but yeah, free conferences ppl are always slow to register |
| 22:30 | after we get the programme up and do some publicity, im sure we will get a flurry | |
| 22:32 | BobB | Irma asks whether any translations are needed? |
| 22:33 | Also, will anyone need language support at the conference? | |
| 22:33 | chris | hmmm |
| 22:33 | not sure on both accounts | |
| 22:33 | i dont think so | |
| 22:33 | but | |
| 22:33 | i think it would be nice if we got a list of who speaks what | |
| 22:34 | so that if we do need help we have an idea who to ask | |
| 22:34 | i think with paul and irma we have french covered :) | |
| 22:34 | BobB | Irma can help with French and German, for example |
| 22:35 | chris | cool, how about we do a page on the wiki |
| 22:35 | and ask people to fill it in | |
| 22:35 | jo | thats a great idea Bob :) |
| 22:35 | BobB | Jo: Irma's idea. But thx. |
| 22:38 | chris | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]con10_Translators |
| 22:38 | Brooke | sping! |
| 22:38 | chris | maybe someone could send an email out about that page |
| 22:38 | and get ppl to fill it in | |
| 22:38 | BobB | chris: too cool for school! |
| 22:39 | chris: I'll ask Irma to do that if you like. | |
| 22:39 | chris | fab |
| 22:40 | i think pretty much everything else is under control .. anyone have anything else? | |
| 22:40 | reed | (so, meant to be present for the kohacon thing -- did I miss anything?) |
| 22:41 | (er - get anything assigned to me?) | |
| 22:41 | chris | you are running the sausage sizzle |
| 22:41 | but apart from that, no | |
| 22:41 | :) | |
| 22:42 | Brooke | okay |
| 22:42 | someone sent a message about the translation | |
| 22:44 | chris | heh |
| 22:44 | jo | thanks folks - i have to dash |
| 22:44 | agenda to get out | |
| 22:44 | chris | cya jo |
| 22:44 | Brooke | thanks jo |
| 22:44 | BobB | Thanks all. Its sounding good. |
| 22:44 | Brooke | I'm getting more psyched the closer it gets |
| 22:45 | chris | BobB: if you ahve a google login and want to see the programme lemme know |
| 22:45 | and ill add you | |
| 22:45 | BobB | Will do that by email Chris. Thx. |
| 22:46 | Must go now. Cheers. | |
| 22:46 | chris | reed: you can be our american translator |
| 22:47 | Brooke | yank to kiwi filtre, engage! |
| 22:49 | reed | oh bloody hell |
| 22:49 | Brooke | cheers folks, feel free to assign me gopher duties |
| 22:49 | chris | thanks Brooke |
| 22:49 | Brooke | pfft thank me when I do summat :P |
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| 23:00 | pianohac1 | Anyone using Koha with the latest ubuntu? |
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| 23:26 | robin | OK Koha people, we need a snappy term for the librarian side of the system, like OPAC is for the client side. I'm sick of writing synonyms for 'librarian interface' :) |
| 23:27 | larsw | I've seen and used "intranet" in a few places |
| 23:28 | . o O (/me dares not suggest Librarian Interface Web) | |
| 23:28 | chris | i say staff side |
| 23:29 | usually | |
| 23:29 | larsw | oh, that's short and clear |
| 23:32 | robin | chris: that doesn't work inside a company: everyone is staff |
| 23:33 | chris | library staff |
| 23:34 | it works for opus | |
| 23:35 | larsw | OPAC is Open Public Access Catalog; STAFF is Secret Tool And Fiddling Facility... that should be clear enough for everyone |
| 23:44 | pianohac2 | consistent wording is boring |
| 23:45 | It should be different in each document, to keep the librarians alert | |
| 23:47 | chris_n | how about Librarian's Information Entry System aka LIES |
| 23:47 | * chris_n | ducks |
| 23:47 | larsw | haha |
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