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| 01:05 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 01:05 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 26.1�C (9:06 PM EDT on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Steady). |
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| 01:14 | chris | the sooner we kill that damn cgi::irc script the better |
| 01:15 | * chris | will purge the log |
| 01:19 | brendan | man missed a chance to kick someone, now that we have OPS |
| 01:19 | were is that cgi:irc script ? | |
| 01:20 | @later tell jwagner - any chance someone at ptfs could remove the cgi:irc script from koha.org and replace it with the mibbit one ? | |
| 01:20 | munin | brendan: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:34 | chris_n | g'evening |
| 01:55 | @later tell wizzyrea is it ok to enable the XML-RPC api on k-c.org? | |
| 01:55 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:08 | robin | chris_n: presumably you can just ban the IP address of it from the channel. |
| 02:08 | err chris: --^ | |
| 02:09 | chris | yep, will do if spammers come back |
| 02:10 | but we do get some real newbies using it, and the channel block would be kinda mean to them, since it would look kinda like it was working to them | |
| 02:17 | robin | ah right |
| 02:17 | fair enough | |
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| 03:02 | Amit | heya chris |
| 03:02 | #morning koha | |
| 03:04 | chris | hi Amit |
| 03:38 | brendan | night #koha |
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| 04:02 | CGI318 | hi all |
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| 04:10 | CGI318 | hi all |
| 04:11 | chris | hi |
| 04:15 | CGI318 | do u know url that provide video on how to install koha version 3.0.6 in ubuntu? |
| 04:16 | chris | nope |
| 04:16 | im not sure that video exists | |
| 04:17 | CGI318 | have u feel diffficult to install koha in ubuntu? |
| 04:17 | richard | there are a few guides around |
| 04:17 | CGI318 | they are many steps |
| 04:17 | richard | just found this one - http://www.blazingmoon.org/gui[…]k3-on-u810-1.html |
| 04:18 | it's for 8.10 but the principles shoudl be the same | |
| 04:19 | CGI318 | richard have u tried 3.0.0? it has bugs? |
| 04:20 | richard | ah you've caught me out - always asked someone else to do the installing |
| 04:20 | but 3.0.6 would be the one you would want to install anyway | |
| 04:25 | CGI318 | richard are u using koha? |
| 04:26 | richard | personally i play with it more than anything but we do install and support it |
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| 05:35 | Amit | heya wasabi |
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| 07:07 | nahuel | chris, didn't understand |
| 07:08 | chris | ? |
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| 07:09 | chris | didnt understand what? |
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| 07:58 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:59 | chris | hi kf |
| 07:59 | kf | hi chris |
| 07:59 | I see a strange thing in our koha installations: all users have the same dateexpiry - and I dont know how that happened | |
| 08:00 | I thought it was an import error first, but this library entered all borrowers manually | |
| 08:00 | over weeks | |
| 08:01 | chris | that is very strange |
| 08:02 | there isnt some systempreference that controls that? | |
| 08:03 | kf | not that I know of, when I enter a new patron the date is calculated correct |
| 08:03 | chris | hmm |
| 08:04 | is something changing them? | |
| 08:04 | kf | perhaps a bug? searching the bug database now, nothing found so far |
| 08:04 | must be | |
| 08:04 | perhaps a job? | |
| 08:04 | cron job | |
| 08:04 | chris | yeah |
| 08:04 | that would be my next suspect | |
| 08:04 | * chris | looks |
| 08:06 | chris | nothing obvious |
| 08:07 | kf | same in our third installation |
| 08:07 | chris | does you borrowers table have a last_modified column? |
| 08:07 | kf | 2011-08-31 in our third installation, 2011-02-26 in second |
| 08:08 | I see no timestamp field | |
| 08:09 | chris | darn, we used to have that in 2.2 i think it fell out before 3.0, i kept it when i upgraded hlt ... cos its handy |
| 08:09 | whats the registration date for them? | |
| 08:09 | its not the same for all of them? | |
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| 08:11 | kf | let me check |
| 08:14 | ok, different results from different databases, dateenrolled and dateexpiry are different in the database, where all borrowers expire on the same date | |
| 08:15 | I see what I already new, they entered about 10 borrowers each day | |
| 08:15 | and all have the same expiry date now | |
| 08:17 | * kf | is confused |
| 08:19 | kf | oh, I think I have an idea, let me test |
| 08:20 | ok, I updated all borrowers, because we forgot to configure the message settings for borrowercategories | |
| 08:21 | but this should not change the expiry date | |
| 08:21 | when you update the message preferences from the detail page the expiry date changes | |
| 08:21 | I saw it in the logs and remembered, I opened all borrowers and checked hold filed message | |
| 08:22 | same for the first installation that told me about the problem, because I was not able to figure out how to do it with sql | |
| 08:22 | jransom | (waves at kf while she mumbles away to herself :) |
| 08:23 | kf | hi jransom |
| 08:23 | chris: still there? | |
| 08:23 | :) | |
| 08:24 | chris | sorry, crying baby |
| 08:24 | back now | |
| 08:24 | ah yeah thats a bug it sounds | |
| 08:25 | kf | a strange bug |
| 08:25 | but makes me happy to know how it happened! | |
| 08:25 | chris | :) |
| 08:25 | shouldnt be too hard to fix | |
| 08:26 | kf | will test in HEAD now |
| 08:28 | thx chris! sometimes all you need is someone listening and ask the right questions :) | |
| 08:28 | chris | np |
| 08:31 | kf | hm cant test |
| 08:31 | my enhanced messaging table in head is broken | |
| 08:31 | cant save | |
| 08:46 | chris | ill test it now |
| 08:50 | kf | thx |
| 08:50 | can you check how your table looks too? for borrower? | |
| 08:59 | chris | yep |
| 08:59 | kf | I think its possible that its fixed, found something in git history: http://spedr.com/2g8ea |
| 09:00 | chris | yep, seems to be fixed in latest master |
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| 09:16 | kf | chris: and your enhanced messaging table looks ok? |
| 09:17 | chris | seems to yeah |
| 09:17 | kf | hmpf |
| 09:17 | recreating my database now | |
| 09:18 | the columns in my table were broken, all check boxed at the end | |
| 09:19 | chris | hmm |
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| 09:27 | kf | chris: dropped and recreated my koha database, now everything is ok |
| 09:28 | chris | well thats good at least :) |
| 09:29 | kf | chris: yes - thx again for your help! chris++ |
| 09:29 | chris | no problem |
| 09:30 | kf | recreated databse with German sample files :) |
| 09:33 | chris | @todo |
| 09:33 | munin | chris: Todo for chris: #1: get the pastebot going again |
| 09:34 | chris | @todo list |
| 09:34 | munin | chris: Error: 'list' is not a valid task id. |
| 09:34 | chris | @list todo |
| 09:34 | munin | chris: add, change, remove, search, setpriority, and todo |
| 09:34 | chris | @todo remove 1 |
| 09:34 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:34 | kf | oh |
| 09:34 | nice feature munin! | |
| 09:34 | chris | yeah its handy |
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| 10:36 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 10:44 | mle | morning |
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| 11:19 | bigbrovar | Hi guys, is it just me of is wiki.koha.org down? |
| 11:21 | ok someone on identica already informed me why | |
| 11:25 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 11:28 | bigbrovar | gmcharlt: morning |
| 11:29 | There some guides which I used to as a guide to learn how to convert cataloue based on excel to marc using marcedit. but since the wiki.koha,org is down I cant find it anymore :( | |
| 11:29 | not even on google cache it seems to just have dissappeared :S | |
| 11:34 | gmcharlt | bigbrovar: is http://librarypolice.com/wiki.[…]ing_marcedit.html |
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| 11:34 | gmcharlt | what you're looking for? |
| 11:34 | bigbrovar | gmcharlt: exactly thanks :) |
| 11:35 | gmcharlt: I better save the page locally :) | |
| 11:36 | chris | better yet, put it on the new wiki |
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| 11:37 | bigbrovar | chris: great idea. I will see to that .. problem when I have some free time :) |
| 11:37 | probably* | |
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| 11:59 | nengard | is there a wya to search the koha list archives? |
| 12:09 | collum | nengard: I don't see a way to search on the lists website. You could use google with the site: command |
| 12:09 | site:lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/ keywords | |
| 12:09 | nengard | yup |
| 12:09 | thanks | |
| 12:09 | jwagner | http://markmail.org/search/koh[…].lists.koha-devel for the devel list |
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| 12:13 | kmkale | good evening |
| 12:15 | jdavidb | hi, kmkale. :) |
| 12:15 | kmkale | hi jdavidb |
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| 12:16 | kmkale | monsoon seems to he here finally. blessed relief |
| 12:16 | s/he/be | |
| 12:18 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 12:18 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 29.7�C (2:21 PM CEST on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003.3 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:19 | kmkale | is there a limit on number of branches one can have? if not a hard limit, has someone experienced any issues once there are too many branches? |
| 12:21 | jdavidb | @wunder 20817 |
| 12:21 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 21.2�C (8:25 AM EDT on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:22 | jwagner | owen, another jquery question for you if you have a sec? |
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| 12:22 | owen | kmkale: I think you'll find that some displays become a little over-loaded with information when you have too many branches (or too many items). |
| 12:23 | jwagner: Sure | |
| 12:23 | jwagner | Similar to the one I was snarling about yesterday, but on staff side. In staff request.tmpl, I need to insert some text before the header line that starts Place a hold on |
| 12:24 | I can't find anything existing to hook into. I added an empty div tag right before that, which worked fine -- I could then jquery my text into place. But I didn't know if I was missing anything. | |
| 12:24 | * jwagner | swears someday I'm going to go through the whole staff side & add divs to every line :-( |
| 12:25 | kmkale | on call |
| 12:26 | kf | jawagner: better use spans ;) |
| 12:26 | jwagner | them too! |
| 12:26 | My sites have a positive genius for wanting to add text in the oddest places.... | |
| 12:26 | owen | The correct approach is to add ID attributes to existing structures which are semantically unique |
| 12:27 | jwagner | But there don't appear to be any existing structures in that area, that I can see. It's just text |
| 12:28 | owen | I'm talking about future efforts to add to the template. |
| 12:29 | jwagner | :-) |
| 12:31 | owen | $("h1:contains('Place a hold on')").before("<p>Hey you</p>"); |
| 12:31 | kmkale | owen: thanks. |
| 12:32 | jwagner | owen++ THANKS! One less tiny patch to have to do! |
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| 12:33 | jwagner | So you can search for & hook to header codes like <h1>? That's a very useful trick indeed. |
| 12:34 | owen | The ":contains()" technique is very flexible, but I suspect it's also slow, since for each page render the browser is parsing the entire DOM for H1, then parsing all the H1s for your text |
| 12:35 | I don't know at what point that kind of activity causes a drag on the browser. | |
| 12:36 | If only custom JS could be included on a page-by-page basis | |
| 12:37 | jwagner | In this case, since there's probably a lot of <h1> codes, it might be as bad a drag as it gets. |
| 12:39 | (I didn't notice anything, but I wasn't especially watching either...) | |
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| 12:40 | owen | Man I am so sick of Koha telling me I can't place holds. |
| 12:40 | jwagner | Policies? or bugs? |
| 12:41 | owen | I've got a default rule set up specifying 5 holds allowed. |
| 12:41 | Placing a hold for a user with 3 holds, an available item | |
| 12:41 | nengard | there seem to be a bunch of holds issues lately |
| 12:42 | what was introduced into the code that is screwing with holds? | |
| 12:42 | owen | And of course the template doesn't tell me *why* I can't place the hold >:( |
| 12:46 | mle | hey |
| 12:46 | can anyone (chris) recommend a directory service/software for saml | |
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| 12:48 | mle | hey Coy ColinC |
| 12:48 | ColinC | Hey |
| 12:48 | owen | My hold is not being blocked by any of the conditions checked by the template: maxreserves, alreadyreserved, none_available |
| 12:49 | So what condition is *not* being checked by the template? | |
| 12:49 | jwagner | owen, what code level? |
| 12:49 | Morning, ColinC | |
| 12:50 | owen | jwagner: I've only looked at the template so far, I don't know where those conditions are generated |
| 12:50 | ColinC | Afternoon Jane |
| 12:50 | jwagner | no, I meant are you on current head or what? |
| 12:52 | owen | head |
| 12:54 | jwagner | Where is the limit of 5 set? in circ rule, or maxreserves syspref? |
| 12:55 | owen | Circ rule |
| 12:56 | maxreserves is empty | |
| 12:57 | * jwagner | scratches head |
| 12:58 | jwagner | Is there another rule that limits to 3 holds, that might be overriding in some way? |
| 12:59 | owen | there's no rule for that patron category which would override the limit, and there's no default rule set for the branch I'm in |
| 13:00 | So as far as I can tell the rule for the default patron category and the default branch should be in effect | |
| 13:00 | Or does the default branch rule not work? | |
| 13:01 | I guess that answers my question--cloning the default rules to my logged-in branch makes the warning go away. | |
| 13:01 | Default branch rule no workie. | |
| 13:05 | jwagner | I've run into that before -- the default level rules just don't work. |
| 13:06 | owen | I can't find a bug report for it. Am I just not seeing it? |
| 13:07 | kf | I never use default rules |
| 13:07 | jwagner | There's Bug 1689, which is old & had a patch sent. |
| 13:07 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1689 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Circulation Rules doesn't take the default in account |
| 13:07 | kf | default rules for notice triggers are also not working |
| 13:07 | jwagner | I wish we could just remove the default option altogether. Maybe allow a library group setting instead.... |
| 13:08 | kf | bug 3393 |
| 13:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3393 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Default branches and overdues notices |
| 13:09 | kf | jwagner: make it work or remove it before 3.2 release |
| 13:09 | nengard | can someone remind me of the diff between the items table and the biblioitems table> |
| 13:09 | ? | |
| 13:09 | jwagner | umm, items is real and useful, while biblioitems is archaic and a royal pain? (not prejudiced or anything....) |
| 13:09 | kf | biblioitems has title level information I think |
| 13:10 | but I like jwagners explanation :) | |
| 13:10 | biblio and biblioitems have title level inforamtion from marc21, I think marcxml is also in bibliotiems | |
| 13:11 | nengard | jwagner so slide 20 in this presentation by atz would be a good reference: http://www.slideshare.net/ohio[…]e-hood-with-mysql |
| 13:11 | he says it's going away | |
| 13:11 | jwagner | nengard, speed the day thereof! |
| 13:11 | owen | nengard: biblioitems was used long ago for the pseudo-FRBR structure of Koha 1.x |
| 13:12 | It allowed the biblio table to contain information that was truly title-specific, independent of media, edition, etc. | |
| 13:14 | nengard | thanks guys |
| 13:14 | owen | The default branch issuing rule works to set checkouts allowed and loan period |
| 13:15 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 13:15 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 29.0�C (3:00 PM CEST on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Falling). |
| 13:18 | owen | I still don't know why the template didn't output the correct warning message for the condition that was causing the block |
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| 13:34 | CGI736 | Please forgive me if this has been asked 20,000 times, but I just haven't found the answer, yet, and it has gotten to the point where the time spent searching is taking hours of otherwise-productive time away from me. The question: How does one (especially when initially cataloguing all the library's books) use the UPC (especially with a barcode scanner) to obtain information about the books? The Z39.50 search doesn't seem to ha |
| 13:35 | kf | I think for newer books with isbn-13 you can scan the upc (barcode on book?) to isbn |
| 13:35 | but perhaps someone else knows better, I have never tried that | |
| 13:36 | ColinC | Even before isbn-13 was in wide use the 13 character version of the original isbn was being used |
| 13:37 | kf | so you just have to delete the first numbers? |
| 13:37 | ah, but the last number differs? | |
| 13:38 | CGI736 | BTW, only a few of the books with UPC have the additional ISBN barcode, and the numbers of the UPC don't bear any resemblance to the ISBN. |
| 13:39 | Example (from one of my own books): ISBN = 0939763095 but UPC = 079686044332 | |
| 13:42 | In case that book is too obscure, here's the info from a "Men in Black" DVD: ISBN = 0767891236 but UPC = 043396087712 | |
| 13:42 | kf | a dvd with an isbn? |
| 13:43 | ColinC | kf: No there is a method to generate a 13 digit isbn from a 10 digit one but the checkdigit is different as a result |
| 13:43 | kf | ColinC: yes, I heard you can do that |
| 13:44 | ColinC | Whether the UPC is derived uniformly from ISBN depends on the publisher. |
| 13:45 | CGI736 | Yes, that's because the 13-digit ISBN is just the same as the 10-digit, but starting with "978" and ending with a different check digit. |
| 13:45 | True, ColinC. | |
| 13:46 | Which brings me back to my actual question: how to look up books from scanned UPC | |
| 13:47 | ColinC | Also the checkdigit is a digit unlike an iSBN which allows X |
| 13:47 | owen | Well, if the UPC isn't derived uniformly from the ISBN, I'm not sure you can expect to be able to CGI736 |
| 13:47 | CGI736 | Are there not servers, out there, that would return the right information and would allow the search key to be a UPC and not just an ISBN? |
| 13:49 | ColinC | Not to my knowledge, you can try the 13 digit ISBN otherwise you have to construct a 10 digit ISBN from it |
| 13:49 | CGI736 | I'm even finding that ISBN searches are not reliable: I'll do a Z39.50 search, type in an ISBN, and nothing is found, but if I search by the title, it is found (with all the right publication data) but is stated as having a different ISBN from what is printed on the book. |
| 13:50 | owen | That doesn't mean the search is unreliable, it means the data is unreliable ;) |
| 13:51 | kf | have you typed in the hyphens? perhaps this can make a difference too |
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| 13:51 | ColinC | Practices between the booktrade and bibliographic databases have not always agreed |
| 13:51 | CGI736 | It means the search is unreliable BECAUSE the data are unreliable, but not that the search METHOD is unreliable. |
| 13:51 | Have tried with and without the hyphens. | |
| 13:52 | With everything I've tried, the searches have only worked without the hyphens. | |
| 13:52 | owen | That's because ISBNs are stored in MARC without the hyphens |
| 13:52 | kf | in marc21 without hyphens is standard |
| 13:53 | ColinC | Hyhens are for display only (and are often in the wrong place) don't use them |
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| 13:54 | kf | hi hdl_laptop |
| 13:56 | CGI736 | Does Koha have any means (perhaps with an already-defined plugin or extension) of searching by UPC? |
| 13:57 | owen | CGI736: Koha uses Z39.50 to search outside sources. If Z39.50 can't search by UPC, Koha can't. |
| 13:58 | CGI736 | Or let's ask this a different way: What is the most efficient way of entering ALL of a library's books into Koha when first starting to use it? |
| 13:59 | owen | CGI736: You understand the process, you just don't like the amount of work you forsee: You'll have to use Z39.50 or do original cataloging |
| 14:03 | CGI736 | The difficulty is that the people who will be using this are not very computer literate and some don't read much English, but I cannot be there to input all the books for them. |
| 14:04 | owen | It is certainly a difficulty. |
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| 14:06 | * chris_n | thinks there is no easy way to catalog a library, except possibly to pay someone else to do it |
| 14:06 | CGI736 | This is a third-world country where a school had received some donated equipment and I am setting this up so that the school may have a library that can actually begin to lend books to the students. (Mostly, for the last 50 years, the library has been used as an extra classroom or, mostly as a store room for old textbooks.) |
| 14:07 | The fact that they now have some computers AND Internet access is going to help them tremendously. | |
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| 14:14 | ray | Hi! How can i enable automatic email sending of checked out / checked in items? |
| 14:16 | Hi! How can i enable automatic email sending of checked out / checked in items? | |
| 14:17 | jwagner | ray, patron messaging settings |
| 14:19 | ray | what should i do? |
| 14:26 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 14:26 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.1�C (4:30 PM CEST on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003.3 hPa (Steady). |
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| 14:38 | owen | Weird, now I can't duplicate my holds problem |
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| 14:41 | * chris_n | hates bugs that disappear mysteriously |
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| 14:43 | owen | Right, 'cause if it was a spider it might still be in the bed somewhere. |
| 14:44 | kmkale | bye all good night |
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| 14:45 | owen | *sigh* At least I hadn't filed the bug report yet |
| 14:47 | chris_n | hehe |
| 14:47 | I once read a story about 5# spiders... yick | |
| 14:54 | * owen | is ready to launch into a Bugzilla-induced hissy-fit |
| 14:54 | * jdavidb | would buy a ticket to see owen throw a hissy-fit. |
| 14:55 | * owen | wants to see more patches for non-new bugs |
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| 14:56 | Elwell | @wunder geneva |
| 14:56 | munin | Elwell: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:56 | chris_n | maybe we should have to submit one patch in order to file a new bug |
| 14:56 | Elwell | @wunder Geneva, Switzerland |
| 14:56 | munin | Elwell: The current temperature in Geneva, Switzerland is 30.0�C (4:50 PM CEST on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:57 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 14:57 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 27.8�C (10:59 AM EDT on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Falling). |
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| 15:01 | * owen | thinks we should have to submit one patch in order to have TV privileges for the day (Hulu counts) |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea_laptop | heh |
| 15:03 | kf | Im trying... but distacne study gets in the way all the time |
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| 15:03 | kf | and missing perl knowledge |
| 15:03 | hi wizzyrea | |
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| 15:09 | wizzyrea_laptop | hello |
| 15:10 | chris_n | hi wizzyrea_laptop |
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| 15:13 | wizzyrea | I really ought to fix that |
| 15:16 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 15:16 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 32.0�C (5:00 PM CEST on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.60 in 1002 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:16 | * kf | grumbles |
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| 15:33 | kf | @wunder konstanz |
| 15:33 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.1�C (5:37 PM CEST on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002.6 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:37 | jcamins | kf: Do you happen to have the SQL for the report you run to check for duplicate 001 fields? |
| 15:38 | kf | jcamins: let me check |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:39 | kf | hm perhaps not, works with a dirty trick |
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| 16:08 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 16:13 | CGI536 | Anyone know what error is about? I hadn't Text::Aspell installed and CPAN gives an error saying the download is corrupt. Can I install it manually or turn of spellcheck? |
| 16:13 | Can't locate Text/Aspell.pm in @INC (@INC contains: | |
| 16:17 | chris_n | CGI536: you can 'sudo cpan Text::Aspell' or install your package maintainer's version |
| 16:18 | CGI536 | I tried, but when it gets the file, from CPAN, it bombs out with an error running make |
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| 16:23 | schuster | Question about RDA and Koha - have the templates been modified for 3.2 to use the new tags and subfields? 336-338, and 040$2? |
| 16:23 | At a state conference listening to a presentation on RDA and the timeline - most likely mid next year full transition... | |
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| 16:25 | nengard | schuster - they have been saying that for 4 years now.... |
| 16:26 | that doesn't answer your question - just expressing my frustration with the committee | |
| 16:26 | by the time it's released it will be based off of old tech already | |
| 16:26 | schuster | Just wanted the Koha community to be thinking about it... It's coming... Testing will be complete a the end of this year - and the national libraries will be putting out a timeline for conversion to RDA next year. |
| 16:28 | I agree MARC is an old technology, but that is what we are living with... Dealing with an international standard group talk about bureaucracy! | |
| 16:29 | nengard | no you misunderstand - they have been saying that RDA will be done for years now! we've been prepared for years |
| 16:29 | it keeps getting pushed back | |
| 16:29 | so when they say RDA will be done next year - I'm skeptical because history says otherwise | |
| 16:30 | but you are right, we do need to be aware and we are and have been | |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea_laptop | the drumbeat has been somewhat louder this year |
| 16:30 | just sayin | |
| 16:30 | nengard | :) |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea_laptop | that is to say, loud enough for me to hear it |
| 16:32 | nengard | us catalogers have been hearing it forever :) hehe - so that's why i'm so negative ... not the point I know - just ranting |
| 16:32 | schuster | The committee has moved from should this to this will happen... US is going to be one of the last to adopt and several other countries due to the National libraries are moving forward. |
| 16:32 | So back to my original question are the Koha templates ready and able to handle the tags mentioned? | |
| 16:32 | And for a web developer to hear it that says something | |
| 16:33 | off to lunch. | |
| 16:33 | owen | schuster: I don't know that anyone has done any template work specifically in preparation for RDA |
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| 17:03 | nengard | i need non-koha open source help - i just put ubuntu on hubby's dell but can't get the wireless card to work .... ideas? tips? |
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| 17:27 | cait | hi all |
| 17:27 | jcamins++ | |
| 17:27 | jdavidb | hi, cait! :) |
| 17:27 | cait | hi jdavidb |
| 17:27 | hiding at home because its too warm outside | |
| 17:27 | jdavidb | @wunder Konstanz |
| 17:27 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4�C (7:31 PM CEST on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.60 in 1002.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:28 | cait | evening here now |
| 17:28 | jdavidb | wowie. That is warm for so late in the day. At least it's not terribly humid. |
| 17:28 | @wunder 20817 | |
| 17:28 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 31.8�C (1:32 PM EDT on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:30 | cait | I think the definition of warm depends always on the place where you live :) |
| 17:30 | @weather mumbai | |
| 17:30 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 31.0�C (10:40 PM IST on June 10, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
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| 17:33 | chris_n | hey pianohackr|work |
| 17:33 | nengard: how old is the laptop? | |
| 17:34 | nengard | too old - looking for support online - it's an inspiron e1705 |
| 17:35 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9441234 | |
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| 17:35 | chris_n | yup, older cards are not as well supported ootb |
| 17:35 | nengard | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9441209 |
| 17:36 | chris_n | is it an intel wireless pro card or dell's own? |
| 17:36 | nengard | well i'm one step ahead of other support questions i've read - ubuntu at least recognizes my wireless card |
| 17:36 | 03.00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base0TX (rev 02) | |
| 17:36 | 0c.00.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) | |
| 17:36 | * chris_n | seems to remember ubuntu failing to turn on the radio in an older card he had |
| 17:39 | chris_n | nengard: what does 'lshw' say? |
| 17:39 | nengard | um ... what specifically are you looking for? it says alot |
| 17:40 | chris_n | maybe lshw | grep '-network' |
| 17:40 | or | |
| 17:40 | maybe lshw | grep 'wireless' | |
| 17:40 | nengard | capabilities: ethernet physical wireless |
| 17:41 | chris_n | hmmm... |
| 17:41 | nengard | configuration: croadcast=yes multicast=yes wireless=ieee 802.11bg |
| 17:41 | croadcast = broadcast | |
| 17:41 | *-network DISABLED | |
| 17:42 | when i search for network | |
| 17:42 | chris_n | how about lshw | grep 'radio' |
| 17:42 | * chris_n | is looking to see if the radio is on |
| 17:42 | nengard | nothing |
| 17:42 | no results | |
| 17:42 | chris_n | what does 'iwconfig' say? |
| 17:43 | nengard | no wireless extentions |
| 17:43 | 3 times | |
| 17:43 | next to lo , eth0 and pan0 | |
| 17:43 | stuff next to wlan0 - what are you looking for | |
| 17:43 | chris_n | yup |
| 17:45 | nengard | yup? you want it all? |
| 17:45 | ieee 802.11bg essid:off/any | |
| 17:45 | mode:managed access point not-associated tx-power=0 dbm | |
| 17:45 | chris_n | looking for something like "NOT READY!" |
| 17:45 | nengard | nope |
| 17:46 | doesn't say that anywhere | |
| 17:46 | does have a few things off | |
| 17:46 | chris_n | but I think you wil have to use a different driver for that broadcom |
| 17:46 | nengard | k |
| 17:47 | chris_n | https://help.ubuntu.com/commun[…]cs/Driver/bcm43xx |
| 17:47 | are you running lucid? | |
| 17:48 | why does that sound funny? | |
| 17:49 | nengard | i found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showth[…]?t=1390979&page=3 |
| 17:50 | and i'm running 10.04 lts -- not sure what lucid is | |
| 17:50 | chris_n | lucid is 10.04 |
| 17:50 | nengard | k :) |
| 17:51 | chris_n | I think you'll have to install the b43 driver in any case |
| 17:52 | nengard | ICK |
| 17:52 | too much work - not enough time | |
| 17:52 | chris_n | well, I have to run, but between that thread you just found and the wiki link I sent, you should be able to get it running |
| 17:52 | true | |
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| 17:52 | chris_n | probably easier to pickup a card with an intel wireless pro chipset and plug-n-play |
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| 18:23 | wizzyrea_laptop | @later tell kyle I'm at a conf for library IT folk: big market for something like libki, it really needs to be done, so keep it up :D |
| 18:23 | munin | wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:31 | nengard | @later tell chris_n that I solved the problem! |
| 18:31 | munin | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:41 | jdavidb | @later tell kyle Happy Birthday! |
| 18:41 | munin | jdavidb: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:59 | owen | nengard around? |
| 19:00 | nengard | y |
| 19:00 | owen | I'm looking at Bug 4885 |
| 19:00 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4885 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Only 1 ISBN shows in non-XSL detail view |
| 19:01 | owen | Is it exclusively 020 that is required here? |
| 19:01 | That is, it's not like with subjects or notes where a range of MARC tags should be output? | |
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| 19:08 | nengard | owen yes - 020 only |
| 19:09 | sorry - was booking a flight for next training and forgot you needed me ;) | |
| 19:09 | owen | Any idea what the UNIMARC tag number is? |
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| 19:11 | nengard | hmmm |
| 19:11 | 010 | |
| 19:11 | and ISSN is 011 | |
| 19:12 | owen | Hey, nobody said anything about ISSN! |
| 19:12 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:12 | just saying | |
| 19:12 | i don't think there would be more than one current issn | |
| 19:13 | gmcharlt | nengard: could be - ISSN for physical version, second for electronic |
| 19:13 | nengard | yeah - but you're supposed to catalog them seperate .... |
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| 19:28 | chris | morning |
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| 19:29 | owen | Hi chris |
| 19:29 | chris | nengard: fixed the list page thingy |
| 19:29 | nengard | cool |
| 19:29 | and hi | |
| 19:29 | chris | nengard: youve worked in libraries ... supposed to .. and actually happens ... not the same :-) |
| 19:30 | nengard | true - but if you're not following the rules then you can't complain about the way it's displaying :) |
| 19:30 | well you can complain | |
| 19:30 | but I'll ignore you :) | |
| 19:30 | chris | :) |
| 19:31 | so, with 4 days to go, before proposals close, the programme is full (assuming everyone who submitted a proposal doesnt back out:)) | |
| 19:31 | so thats cool | |
| 19:32 | nengard | woo hoo |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea_laptop | woot! |
| 19:33 | nengard | and 4 days to go before the newsletter is published and it too is full :) |
| 19:33 | which is good cause i'm on a plane tomorrow | |
| 19:33 | and then not home until July - pretty much | |
| 19:34 | chris | speaking of which, can you email me the dates of your travel |
| 19:34 | (for kohacon) | |
| 19:35 | nengard | done |
| 19:35 | chris | thanks |
| 19:35 | nengard | now - why? |
| 19:36 | chris | im just the worlds worst stalker |
| 19:36 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:36 | and i'm way too trusting :) | |
| 19:36 | chris | seriously im gonna try to do an private calendar with ppls dates and such so i know who is around when etc |
| 19:36 | nengard | cool! |
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| 19:38 | chris | heya pianohackr|work |
| 19:41 | nengard | howdy pianohackr |
| 19:43 | owen | I'm off for a week of vacation. I hope everyone gets lots done while I'm gone! |
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| 19:44 | chris | ok bus time |
| 19:44 | back in a bit | |
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| 20:26 | richard | hi |
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| 20:44 | chris | back |
| 20:46 | jcamins | Time to turn into a pumpkin. |
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| 20:47 | chris | mmm pumpkin soup |
| 20:48 | cait | chris, jcamins is nice, no soup! |
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| 20:48 | cait | :) |
| 20:49 | chris | :) |
| 20:51 | cait | working on bug 4883 |
| 20:51 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4883 trivial, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Problem translating \n (newline) with pootle. |
| 20:52 | chris | oh cool |
| 20:53 | cait | not a big bad bug, but something I can do |
| 21:01 | chris: you think its ok to remove them from all strings? I think they are confusing in the strings, but not sure, perhaps it would be better to solve this somewhere else in the translation process? | |
| 21:03 | chris | if you are feeling brave |
| 21:03 | you could look at tmpl_process3.pl | |
| 21:03 | cait | oooh |
| 21:04 | chris | and make it remove them, when it creates the .po file |
| 21:04 | cait | not sure im brave, im a libriarian, im more of a busy bee |
| 21:05 | chris | ill have a quick look now, while its fresh in my head |
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| 21:06 | cait | I think the trick is not to remove them, but not to doubleescape(?) them \\ |
| 21:06 | only one \ is needed | |
| 21:06 | but will still be problematic with pootle, I think i tried that | |
| 21:06 | chris | yeah |
| 21:07 | we dont need the | |
| 21:07 | m | |
| 21:07 | ie, you dont translate them | |
| 21:07 | so they dont need to be in the string | |
| 21:07 | cait | but if you remove them, how will they get back in? |
| 21:07 | chris | the po file works like this |
| 21:08 | it takes the english line, finds that in the template | |
| 21:08 | and switches out the english words for the translated words | |
| 21:08 | cait | ah, so you work around the rest of the template |
| 21:08 | chris | if you dont have the \n in the english |
| 21:08 | then it will find the words without them and change them .. and the \n will stay just fine in the template | |
| 21:09 | make sense? | |
| 21:09 | its actually better that way, cos then if you have the string twice, once with \n once without | |
| 21:09 | you now only need to translate it once | |
| 21:09 | cait | sounds really better |
| 21:10 | im done with opac ( removing..) but they are really a lot of them in inranet | |
| 21:12 | * cait | tries to be brave |
| 21:13 | chris | problem is, they will all come back |
| 21:13 | when the .po file is updated (when the template changes) | |
| 21:13 | so we have to fix it in tmpl_process3.pl | |
| 21:13 | ill look into that | |
| 21:15 | cait | i feel a bit guilty, but I think its really a bit too much for me |
| 21:15 | chris | no problem |
| 21:15 | i just wish i had another set of arms hehe | |
| 21:15 | cait | :( |
| 21:16 | more time, more arms and more perl knowledge in my case | |
| 21:22 | chris | ohh man xgettext.pl makes my brain hurt |
| 21:22 | maybe ill ask fredericd to take a look | |
| 21:22 | he is much smarter at this stuff than me | |
| 21:23 | cait | ok |
| 21:23 | im updating the bug, that I changed my mind about the best solution... | |
| 21:23 | chris | thanks :) |
| 21:24 | cait | ah not for that, but can I cite you? :) |
| 21:25 | chris | sure |
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| 21:56 | CGI923 | hello? |
| 21:56 | chris | hello |
| 21:57 | CGI886 | sorry, I am trying to help a libraian friend set up a library in ethiopia |
| 21:57 | chris | cool |
| 21:57 | CGI886 | am recieving an error code when trying to save a record as an item |
| 21:57 | CGI923 | I have a question.... I am trying to add new patrons into Koha but when I click on the patron link it does not say new anymore |
| 21:58 | chris | CGI886: are you near addis ababa, or hawassa ? |
| 21:58 | CGI886 | the code looks like this /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/marc/file/sax.pm line 92 |
| 21:58 | chris | those are where i know there are libraries running Koha |
| 21:59 | CGI923: what version of koha? | |
| 22:00 | CGI886: whats the rest of the message .. something about wide character? | |
| 22:00 | CGI886 | janet will be in both in like a month |
| 22:00 | i will go check the message again | |
| 22:01 | chris | CGI886: http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]brary.pl?RC=29816 |
| 22:02 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]brary.pl?RC=48084 | |
| 22:03 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]brary.pl?RC=43430 | |
| 22:03 | it might be worth making contact, and organising to meet with some of the librarians there .. would be nice to form a ethiopian koha users group :) | |
| 22:04 | CGI886 | the whole error message is Can't call method"append Fields" on an undefiend value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/marc/file/sax.pm line 92. |
| 22:06 | Janet has contacted the director of libraries at AAU and knows that they are using KOHA and that sealed the deal | |
| 22:07 | CGI923 | 3.00.01.005 i believe this is my version |
| 22:07 | pianohackr|work | CGI886: Would you happen to have visited a small library in southern colorado not too long ago? |
| 22:08 | CGI886 | I think that you are right about the version and yes janet visited a small library are you jessee |
| 22:08 | chris | CGI923: thats a pretty old version .. would an upgrade to 3.0.6 be out of hte question? |
| 22:08 | (literally hundreds of bugs fixed between 3.0.1 and 3.0.6) | |
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| 22:10 | CGI886 | yeah steve and I can do the upgrade if jesse (pianohacker) hasn't |
| 22:10 | chris | oh pianohackr|work is helping you .. sweet you are in most capable hands then :) |
| 22:10 | pianohackr|work | CGI886: Yes I am :) |
| 22:11 | Also, I have a laptop with koha on it aaaalmost ready for you | |
| 22:11 | CGI923 | would the upgrade be free? |
| 22:11 | would the upgrade fix the problem? | |
| 22:11 | CGI886 | yeah! please call Janet |
| 22:11 | yes of course the upgrade would be free | |
| 22:13 | pianohacker, I met you at the rural round up am from Dacono. Janet is leaving in 10 days and was looking for more help | |
| 22:14 | pianohackr|work | CGI886: Right |
| 22:14 | CGI886 | JAnet is willing to drive down to pick up your version |
| 22:14 | pianohackr|work | Well, we could always meet halfway |
| 22:14 | I'll call her | |
| 22:15 | CGI886 | thanks man |
| 22:15 | janet can email you tonight | |
| 22:16 | and give you contact info | |
| 22:19 | pianohackr|work | k |
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| 22:36 | CGI923 | can i fix my problem without the upgrade? |
| 22:41 | if I were to upgrade would it automatically transfer my info from the old system? | |
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| 23:00 | * wasabi | waves from kapiti |
| 23:01 | * chilts | waves from Wgtn |
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| 23:14 | wasabi | heya andy :) |
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| 23:49 | ray | how can i enable koha to send email messages to patron email address? |
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| 23:53 | ray | how can i enable koha to send email messages to patron email address? |
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